[biofuels-biz] Re: Peugeot takes it's diesel racing on biofuel
I'll take two to go please. No bother delivering. I'll just drive it home :-D --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Marc Bonanni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Did you know that Peugeot will use one of the two RC prototypes (born in 2002 Geneva Motorshow)in REAL race on circuit It will use the same HDI engine than the red one(2.2l, particles filter, 175bhp)but using diester oil(more ecological than diesel), and 25 examples will be built to race in diffrent circuits in France and Belgium... See the official photographes, it's a really nice sport car a target=_blank href=http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/images/030321_nogaro//p031492.jpg; http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/images/030321_nogaro//p031492.jpg/a a target=_blank href=http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/images/030321_nogaro//p031493.jpg; http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/images/030321_nogaro//p031493.jpg/a Recommended format for your email subject lines: Model # [Model Letters] Year Subject Examples: 505 88 V6 Mileage 405 Mi16 89 Ignition Coil source? To unsubscribe from this list send a blank email message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to a target=_blank href=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/;http://docs.yahoo.com/info/t erms//a Thanks! Marc Bonanni Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
--- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles A new study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) concluded that diesel hybrids will be better than hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in terms of total energy efficiency and greenhouse gas emissions until at least 2020. Furthermore, adoption of the hydrogen- based vehicle will require major infrastructure changes to make compressed hydrogen available. Keith- The MIT study has been thoroughly discussed on the Yahoo Finance Ballard Power Board. A few points: 1. The study was partially funded by American Petroleum Institute. Don't know who funded the rest. 2. It underestimates the efficiency of reforming natural gas into hydrogen, key to the overall outcome. I would suggest you read this posting by gomor9 http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FNaction=mboard=8728891tid=bldpf; sid=8728891mid=84558 to get a grip on the issue. Although several have claimed gomor9 was wrong, he has effectively answered them, IMO. This efficiency factor is one of the keys to the outcome of the study, and the bias was against fuel cells and towards diesel hybrids. As gomor9 points out, Osaka Gas already claims to have a reformer with significantly higher efficiency, even though it is for very small volumes. 3. The conversion efficiency of oil into diesel is overestimated for likely future scenarios. If we are relying on heavy oils from California, Athabasca, Trinidad, or Venzuela, there is a loss for steam injection into those wells. And at some point, even Middle Eastern oil, which had extremely high natural pressure to begin with, will need secondary and tertiary recovery techniques. 4. As an example of how unrealistic the study is, it is based on oil being available for a price of $12 to $32 per barrel in 2020. Nor does it consider the externalities of acquiring oil or the externalities of pollution. Likewise, it never considers compressed hydrogen generated by hydrolysis as a fuel. And, to be fair, my bias is that I own some Ballard stock. Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
Hi Steve Actually I didn't write, just the conduit this time, and I can't quite say who did write, other than that it's an authoritative source. So, not my opinion. However, thanks for the clarification. 1. The study was partially funded by American Petroleum Institute. Don't know who funded the rest. The API is not exactly to be trusted - you think they bent MIT? Sorry to say it wouldn't be very unusual - there's a lot of concern among scientists about corporations et al buying science, undeclared interests of people writing peer-reviewed studies, etc. along with studies showing that industry-funded studies are definitely more likely to be biased towards the industry than independent studies (what a surprise!). On the other hand, I've been hearing promising, just-around-the-corner (all we need is a few more million) statements about fuel cells for more than 30 years. Diesel hybrids are a ready-for-use technology, fuel cells aren't. As to why that matters, Hakan has put it well in some of his posts, and at his website - here, for instance: http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Structures of a biofuel business It's certainly not intended as discouragement of further research into promising technologies. Best Keith groundhogsteve wrote: --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles A new study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) concluded that diesel hybrids will be better than hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in terms of total energy efficiency and greenhouse gas emissions until at least 2020. Furthermore, adoption of the hydrogen- based vehicle will require major infrastructure changes to make compressed hydrogen available. Keith- The MIT study has been thoroughly discussed on the Yahoo Finance Ballard Power Board. A few points: 1. The study was partially funded by American Petroleum Institute. Don't know who funded the rest. 2. It underestimates the efficiency of reforming natural gas into hydrogen, key to the overall outcome. I would suggest you read this posting by gomor9 http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FNaction=mboard=8728891tid=bldpf; sid=8728891mid=84558 to get a grip on the issue. Although several have claimed gomor9 was wrong, he has effectively answered them, IMO. This efficiency factor is one of the keys to the outcome of the study, and the bias was against fuel cells and towards diesel hybrids. As gomor9 points out, Osaka Gas already claims to have a reformer with significantly higher efficiency, even though it is for very small volumes. 3. The conversion efficiency of oil into diesel is overestimated for likely future scenarios. If we are relying on heavy oils from California, Athabasca, Trinidad, or Venzuela, there is a loss for steam injection into those wells. And at some point, even Middle Eastern oil, which had extremely high natural pressure to begin with, will need secondary and tertiary recovery techniques. 4. As an example of how unrealistic the study is, it is based on oil being available for a price of $12 to $32 per barrel in 2020. Nor does it consider the externalities of acquiring oil or the externalities of pollution. Likewise, it never considers compressed hydrogen generated by hydrolysis as a fuel. And, to be fair, my bias is that I own some Ballard stock. Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YKLNcC/oEZFAA/i5gGAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
Keith- Don't get me wrong, I think biodiesel is pretty neat stuff, to the point that as soon as I get some springtime things done for my business, I'll see about putting together a business plan for a moderate scale (500-1,000 K GPY) WVO to biodiesel facility in my area. My overall view is that there is no one energy solution. It is a series of small incremental solutions that cover specific situations. I see fuel cells using hydrolysis from renewables as one part. I see conservation as a big part still (did you know about replacement tire sidewall stiffness? New tires are reasonably stiff to get a slightly higher CAFE rating, but the replacement tires you put on your vehicle aren't required, and probably are not, the same stiffness. Enough savings there to cover 3 or 4 ANWARs over the next 50 years. Enough digression) I just don't see there being enough farmland to grow enough biodiesel to cover all transport needs. It would be difficult enough to cover the current diesel market, much less expanding into electrical generation. And of course, there is the food or fuel question. But diesel hybrids do sound pretty good. The first beta version of fuel cell cars are in the customer's hands in California and Japan. The first 30 busses are being demonstrated in Europe. All the fuel cell companies are being really secretive about where they are on platinum loading reduction and the overall cost curve. Ballard is actually out selling real fuel cells, not demonstration ones. So I think they will be coming into the mainstream within 5 years. But I would be interested in any studies you may know about that show how much farmland would be required to cover our fuel needs, etc. Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
Hello Steve Keith- Don't get me wrong, I think biodiesel is pretty neat stuff, to the point that as soon as I get some springtime things done for my business, I'll see about putting together a business plan for a moderate scale (500-1,000 K GPY) WVO to biodiesel facility in my area. My overall view is that there is no one energy solution. That's the overall view of both our lists, often expressed. It is a series of small incremental solutions that cover specific situations. Yes, plus decentralization, as well as greatly improved energy-use reduction and efficiency. I see fuel cells using hydrolysis from renewables as one part. Not yet - even if they're on the road now, still not yet, there are other factors that are at least as important. Did you read the article at Hakan's site I referred you to? http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Structures of a biofuel business And the new one he's just posted: http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml Biofuel business in developing countries is published I see conservation as a big part still (did you know about replacement tire sidewall stiffness? New tires are reasonably stiff to get a slightly higher CAFE rating, but the replacement tires you put on your vehicle aren't required, and probably are not, the same stiffness. Enough savings there to cover 3 or 4 ANWARs over the next 50 years. Enough digression) See various writing by Amory Lovins - http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=Lovinslist=biofuels-biz I just don't see there being enough farmland to grow enough biodiesel to cover all transport needs. It would be difficult enough to cover the current diesel market, much less expanding into electrical generation. And of course, there is the food or fuel question. But now you're looking at it from the point of view of one energy solution. Actually, IMO, these are both non-questions, or the wrong questions anyway. Re food or fuel, see: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_food.html Biofuels - Food or Fuel? http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html Is ethanol energy-efficient? But diesel hybrids do sound pretty good. The first beta version of fuel cell cars are in the customer's hands in California and Japan. The first 30 busses are being demonstrated in Europe. All the fuel cell companies are being really secretive about where they are on platinum loading reduction and the overall cost curve. Ballard is actually out selling real fuel cells, not demonstration ones. So I think they will be coming into the mainstream within 5 years. But I would be interested in any studies you may know about that show how much farmland would be required to cover our fuel needs, etc. How about none? http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1395list=BIOFUELS-BIZ Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1395list=BIOFUELS-BIZ How much fuel can we grow? http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=18699list=BIOFUEL Soil is not a finite resource. etc Best Keith Steve Hi Steve Actually I didn't write, just the conduit this time, and I can't quite say who did write, other than that it's an authoritative source. So, not my opinion. However, thanks for the clarification. 1. The study was partially funded by American Petroleum Institute. Don't know who funded the rest. The API is not exactly to be trusted - you think they bent MIT? Sorry to say it wouldn't be very unusual - there's a lot of concern among scientists about corporations et al buying science, undeclared interests of people writing peer-reviewed studies, etc. along with studies showing that industry-funded studies are definitely more likely to be biased towards the industry than independent studies (what a surprise!). On the other hand, I've been hearing promising, just-around-the-corner (all we need is a few more million) statements about fuel cells for more than 30 years. Diesel hybrids are a ready-for-use technology, fuel cells aren't. As to why that matters, Hakan has put it well in some of his posts, and at his website - here, for instance: http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Structures of a biofuel business It's certainly not intended as discouragement of further research into promising technologies. Best Keith groundhogsteve wrote: --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles A new study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) concluded that diesel hybrids will be better than hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in terms of total energy efficiency and greenhouse gas emissions until at least 2020. Furthermore, adoption of the hydrogen- based vehicle will require major infrastructure changes to make compressed hydrogen available. Keith- The MIT study has been thoroughly discussed on the Yahoo Finance Ballard Power Board. A few points: 1. The study was
[biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
Hi Steve, Ken and all negawatts are cheaper then megawatts. Yes, better economics all round - better everything. Hence my reference to Amory Lovins. Which would have found these, among other things: Negawatts: Twelve Transitions, Eight Improvements, and One Distraction (PDF-166k) Full text of an invited review article for Energy Policy's April 1996 special issue on the future of demand-side management. http://www.rmi.org/images/other/E-Negawatts12-8-1.pdf Mobilizing Energy Solutions. Amory B. Lovins and L. Hunter Lovins. TAP: Vol 13, Iss. 2 http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/2/lovins-a.html (PDF-52k) http://www.rmi.org/images/other/E-MobilizeEnergySol.pdf Energy Forever (PDF-48k) http://www.rmi.org/images/other/E-EnergyForever.pdf Best Keith Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [biofuel] [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles Keith forwards: Hello Steve Keith- Don't get me wrong, I think biodiesel is pretty neat stuff, to the point that as soon as I get some springtime things done for my business, I'll see about putting together a business plan for a moderate scale (500-1,000 K GPY) WVO to biodiesel facility in my area. . My overall view is that there is no one energy solution. I just don't see there being enough farmland to grow enough biodiesel to cover all transport needs. It would be difficult enough to cover the current diesel market, much less expanding into electrical generation. And of course, there is the food or fuel question. ...I would be interested in any studies you may know about that show how much farmland would be required to cover our fuel needs, etc. I love it -- don't really know where this came from, but I was captivated. Who is this Steve cat? I love the assumption that the solution will somehow be the one that allows us to continue our present epoch unmodified. What about the idea that NOTHING will work unless we're willing to examine a possible lifestyle change (!!!) I wonder if he'd like to address THAT with me.. -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Plant-based oils per gallon?
Anyone who knows, Does anyone out there know the prices for plant based oils per gallon? If you do it would be quite helpful. Thank-you Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanol busses around melbourne.
Hi all, Paging Melbournians; I saw again today the 100% Ethanol bus this morning - Ventura Bus I was wondering is nyone knew where they got their fuel from (the supplier) and what is the concentration? A contact number would be good :-) (It is too late in teh day to call... I am a bit too busy to do so for a day or 2 anyway..) the implecation from the bus is that the ethanol comes from renuable biological sources, not petrochemicals would be great to get a steady supply of ecologically sound ethanol for BD production locally... BTW, has anyone thought of looking into transetherification - using acetone? or any of a number of trans- chemistry? On a similar note: How is petro oil cracked into lighter fractions? Pyrolosis? catalyst? why not do the same in milder form to winterise BD? heck, do it carefully enough and you could produce any fuel you want, right down to petrol... (and before anyone points it out, yes I suspect all this is well beyond the scope of a backyard bucket chemistry adventure - but I can dream! :-) ) -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ZKLNcC/pEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:37 pm, bratt wrote: If anything deserves boycotting its PDF files. PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages to find information because there is no way to relate the index of the manuscript to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely worthless. there is a lot here to cover and I really don't have time, but here goes. first, sounds like you are angry at someone or something... nevermind, lets assume you have a genuine complaint and not just a winge for the heck of it. second, old and antiquated? I assume you mean by that that it does not perform the function it was built for adequately compared to other more recent inventions that do? if so, what are they? note pdf stands for printable document format - it is a system optimised to allow the sharing over disperate systems of information in a form that can be printed with (preferably) no change from instance to instance. Now personally I prefer postscript, which si far older, but pdfs are certainly more efficient space-wise. thirdly, don't blame pdfs for the authors lack of care in indexing correctly... sounds like you need to take a deep breath before posting... -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YKLNcC/oEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Let it be said and let it be done!!! I think this Don Lancaster has a moronic streak. He has a bunch of information and cans it in PDF files. If anything deserves boycotting its PDF files. PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages to find information because there is no way to relate the index of the manuscript to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely worthless. They should stick their pdf files wher the sun don't shine, or shelve it along with the hammer and chisel, clay tablets, and sidewalk chalk. Ed - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Don Lancaster (computer guru and other nom de plume) www.tinaja.com on page 2 of his http://www.tinaja.com/glib/myebays.pdf EBay secrets says no foreign bidders, not just Canadian. Why? Because it is a hassle. BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Kirk -Original Message- From: John Mullan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too,
Re: [biofuel] Mixing fuels
What would happen if I tried mixing WVO with standard fossil-diesel? Would the two mix and stay mixed? And what would the viscosity be like? I've been running a 1987 Land Rover 110 on a 50/50 blend for about 10,000 km and a 1995 1Mercedes E300 TD on 100% WVO for 4.000 km. The Landy has no mods, the Merc has two pre heaters, a 200W electric and a heat exchanger plumbed into the cooling system. It's early days yet but no problems with either vehicle so far. Just looked at the Merc filters - totally clean. I'm filtering the oil to 1 micron. James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth
Hi Steve, It is a lot of sources of evidence published in communications on this list. Hard evidence do exists in the Iraqi declaration to UN, but was suppressed with secrecy stamps on US request. List of suppliers and some shipment details was however leaked and published initially in a German news paper. It is no doubts about the deliveries, maybe Rumsfeld's involvement can be discussed, since he deny it. All of it is however well documented for historians and it is many in the current administration who do not care about their legacy. Hakan At 07:07 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, you wrote: please supply evidence that the US supplied gas to Iraq. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth Hi Darryl, What I wanted to say was that all soldiers get training since WWI and also in using the injection kit, but with salt water. All military have equipment for their soldiers also. Finding storage of gear, does not say anything. In Iraq's case their soldiers could even have the equipment, if they do not trust US (LOL), because they know that US have the gas. US was the supplier of the gas they used against Iran and against his own people. Hakan At 05:48 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking at the coverage from the Iraq war and they have found some gas masks and gas protection equipment for the Iraqi troops. The say that it proves that Iraq have chemical weapon capacity. I do not want to take a stand on the question if Iraq still have chemical weapons capacity, but the argument seems to me as pathetic and a result of the desperation of the fact that they did not found any yet. I think I saw a bit of that coverage, or something similar, and it left me very confused. There was nothing to say the gas protection gear was recovered from captured troops. For some reason, I had the impression the gear was abandoned as Iraqi troops retreated. I am not a military tactician, but it seems to me that if I was an Iraqi soldier, and I thought my side was planning on using chemical or biological weapons, I would not leave my gas protection gear behind when retreating. On the other hand, as an Iraqi soldier, I might well know the provenance of gas weaponry used on Kurds in the past. However, if I had expected the invading force to use chemical weapons, and they had not yet done so, such gear might seem to have less value. So, as for the discovery of gas protection gear in Iraq as evidence that the Iraqis have chemical or biological weapons at their disposal, well, it seems just as likely the Iraqis are worried about the U.S. using chemical weapons in Iraq. In fact, I think Rumsfeld referred to potential use of non-lethal gas agents by the U.S. as a possibility, evoking memories of Putin's recent use of non-lethal gas at the Moscow theatre hostage taking. Non-lethal meaning it doesn't kill everybody, judging by the results there (one of 117 survived). Re: Rumsfeld's musings on use of gas in Iraq. UPI http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030205-051852-7247r Counterpunch http://www.counterpunch.org/hammond02072003.html Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0214/p02s01-usmi.html NewsMax.Com http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/5/192247.shtml Summary (mine) Iraq denies that they have chemical weapons. Years of U.N. inspections have found no Iraqi chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, even with assistance of U.S. intelligence information in last couple of months. U.S. admits to having nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, have supplied chemical weapons to Iraq in the past, and U.S. Secretary of Defense has publicly mused on use of non-lethal chemical weapons in Iraq in the past two months. U.S. discovery of gas protection gear in abandoned Iraqi positions, but no actual evidence of chemical weapons, leads U.S. administration to conclude that this is proof that Iraq has chemical weapons. I still don't see how the logic leads to this conclusion. Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of
Re: [biofuel] Mixing fuels
depending on climate and injector pump, either it will work, or it will break your injector pump after a while. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mixing fuels What would happen if I tried mixing WVO with standard fossil-diesel? Would the two mix and stay mixed? And what would the viscosity be like? I've been running a 1987 Land Rover 110 on a 50/50 blend for about 10,000 km and a 1995 1Mercedes E300 TD on 100% WVO for 4.000 km. The Landy has no mods, the Merc has two pre heaters, a 200W electric and a heat exchanger plumbed into the cooling system. It's early days yet but no problems with either vehicle so far. Just looked at the Merc filters - totally clean. I'm filtering the oil to 1 micron. James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped
Re: [biofuel] seals.pdf
anyone hate pdf's as much as I do? perverting the soul of the web. In this case however, it's probably the simplest way to post a 164 page document. maybe not. anyway, here is an abstract in case you were wondering whether it was worth downloading. SECTION 1. GENERAL 078-1.1 INTRODUCTION 078-1.1.1 Seals are devices which prevent or control the escape of fluids or gases and prevent entry of foreign materials. There are hundreds of sealing devices and it is impossible to cover each one in this volume. This volume describes a number of the sealing devices used aboard Navy ships. Emphasis is placed on devices which are covered by military specifications or are interchangeable with devices used in standard configuration glands. Packings and gaskets are covered in Volume 2. 078-1.2 DEFINITIONS 078-1.2.1 GASKETS, PACKINGS, AND SEALS. In common usage, gaskets, packings, and seals are terms which are often used interchangeably. The seals covered in this volume include those preformed sealing devices that are manufactured to a specific size for a specific application along with any associated glands, rings, springs, and other auxiliary devices. Gaskets and packings, as defined below (paragraphs 078-1.2.1.1 and 078-1.2.1.2), are not covered in this volume. 078-1.2.1.1 Gasket. This term is applied to material used to provide a static seal between two mechanical joints, in which the sealing material is dependent on mechanical compression to form the seal. A gasket is often used to seal mating surfaces without a gland, where low differential pressure exists across the seal boundary. Gaskets are usually punched or cut from a sheet of thin, somewhat resilient material (see Volume 2). 078-1.2.1.2 Packing. This term is applied to material used to provide a seal in a mechanical coupling where some form of movement between the surfaces to be sealed is intended or anticipated. Packing material usually consists of bulk deformable materials which are shaped by manually adjusted compression to obtain and maintain effectiveness (see Volume 2). 078-1.2.1.3 Sealing Device (Seal). A seal is a device which prevents the escape of a fluid or gas or entry of a foreign material. 078-1.2.2 GENERAL TERMS. The terms defined in paragraphs 078-1.2.2.1 through 078-1.2.2.4 are frequently used in describing a sealing device. 078-1.2.2.1 Durometer Hardness. Durometer hardness is an indication of the hardness of the sealing material as determined by an indentor (see paragraph 078-2.2.5). 078-1.2.2.2 Squeeze. Squeeze is the amount by which a seal is compressed (distorted from its molded shape) when installed in the gland. 78-1 078-1.2.2.3 Dynamic Seal. A dynamic seal is a sealing device used between parts that have relative motion, such as piston or shaft seals. 078-1.2.2.4 Static Seal. A static seal is a type of seal where there is no relative motion between the seal and any parts in contact with the seal. Limited freedom may be provided to permit the seal to change its shape within the gland under pressure. 078-1.2.3 TYPES OF SEALING DEVICES. Sealing devices are often described by their shape or what they seal. some of the more commonly used types are listed in paragraphs 078-1.2.3.1 through 078-1.2.3.22. 078-1.2.3.1 O-Ring. An O-ring is a ring (seal) which has a round cross section. 078-1.2.3.2 Piston Ring. A piston sealing ring is usually one of a series and is often split to facilitate expansion or contraction. 078-1.2.3.3 Scraper Ring. A scraper ring is a ring which removes material by a scraping action. 078-1.2.3.4 T-Ring. A T-ring is a ring which has a T-shaped cross section. 078-1.2.3.5 U-Ring. A U-ring is a ring which has a U-shaped cross section. 078-1.2.3.6 V-Ring. A V-ring is a ring with a V-shaped cross section. 078-1.2.3.7 Wiper Ring. A wiper ring is a ring which removes material by a wiping action. 078-1.2.3.8 Cup Seal. A cup seal is a sealing device with a radial base integral with an axial cylindrical projection at its outer diameter. 078-1.2.3.9 Diaphragm Seal (Flat Diaphragm). A diaphragm seal is a relatively thin, flat or molded sealing device fastened and sealed at its periphery with its inner portion free to move. 078-1.2.3.10 Dished Diaphragm Seal. A dished diaphragm seal is a diaphragm in which the central area is depressed in a free state permitting longer travel than a comparable flat diaphragm. 078-1.2.3.11 Flange (Hat) Seal. A flange (hat) seal is a sealing device with a radial base integral with an axial projection at its inner diameter. 078-1.2.3.12 Lip Seal. A lip seal is a sealing device which has a flexible sealing projection. 078-1.2.3.13 Mechanical Seal. A mechanical seal is a sealing device in which sealing action is aided by mechanical force. 078-1.2.3.14 Oil Seal. An oil seal is a sealing device which retains oil. S9086-CM-STM-010/CH-078V1R2 Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable
Re: [biofuel] Elements Of Frasca Rotary Engine Design, the complete work.
most of the document explains why he fudged all the descriptions and diagrams to keep competitors from stealing his ideas, and how to use a shredder. who can tell. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@Yahoogroups.Com biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:13 PM Subject: [biofuel] Elements Of Frasca Rotary Engine Design, the complete work. Mechanical engineering is not my forte. Perhaps someone better qualified would like to review this and comment? http://www.frascapublications.com/pdf-index.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mixing fuels
James I am very new to this, so I am fascinated to hear of your practical experience - real world experience and facts are most helpful to someone who is about to try this out . . . albeit nervously. I am currently researching the use of WVO as we are maybe facing a cold winter with perhaps some reduced power, although after 5 of rain over the last few days I believe the hydro lakes are now fast filling after being at record lows, so maybe this is just alarmist. However, I do need electrical back-up for my home office and water supply, so will continue with my research. I am considering initially using a small tractor genset for stand-alone power generation, and then perhaps on a diesel vehicle/car.
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
And he do not deserve to be reelected either. Two wrong things does not make one right. Hakan At 06:24 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, you wrote: A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on
RE: [biofuel] Mixing fuels
If you use the 1 step process and seperate out soaps, can you treat the soaps and convert them to Bio-D? I know that you can in the 2 step process but that is before you form soaps? T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YKLNcC/oEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth
1.I just did a search on 'Fisk', 'Saddam' and 'interview'. I couldn't find, at least in the first 20-30 search results, any mention of Robert Fisk interviewing Saddam Hussein. I've got a feeling that you may be referring to the politician Tony Benn's interview/meeting with Saddam Hussein. The tiny, deliberately chosen, fragment of this that I saw in the UK tv/radio did show him in a rather bottom-licking light. 2. Some years ago Robert Fisk wrote a book, Pity the Nation about Lebanon and his working life there. I read it about a year ago, as the current Palestinian uprising against Israel took hold, and I realised that I knew very little about the background of what was happening. What comes through in the book is his compassion for the lives of others. In the context of the current assault, An Iraqi life is as sacred as a British life.. 3. A few days ago in Baghdad, a missile struck a market place in Iraq, killing between 55-60 innocent civilians. The 'Coalition' has strenuously suggested that this might have been an Iraqi missile gone astray, and says the matter is 'under investigation'. Robert Fisk was on the scene shortly afterwards. Limbs and heads had been amputated by the chunks of metal from the missile. An old man, a few minutes after the explosion, and unknown to the authorities, had picked up a foot long piece of metal. He showed it to Robert Fisk. Fisk describes it. It bears a computer coding in Western, not Arabic, style. It reads: 30003-704ASB7492The letter B is scratched and could be an H. This is believed to be the serial number. It is followed by a further code which arms manufacturers usually refer to as the weapon's Lot number. It reads: MFR 96214 09 . You say that you know your munitions, Jennifer. What is it? Who made it? Where did they make it? Andrew Preston On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:57:01 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: lol..this is the most leftist BS i have ever seen, and quoting Robert Fisk, is like quoting The Globe or The National Enquierer or the star...mainstream media is actually IN the units fightingright on the front lines! Isn't Robert Fisk the 1 who interviewed Saddam like he was interviewing Mother Theresa?..and i used to think LArry King gave easy interviews?...Where were questions like So how manu of your own people have you gassesd to death this month? .. Jennifer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Andrew Preston -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] flow meters
What flow rate are you looking for? 10 gals a minute or 100 gpm? What size of pipe? What is the maximum temperature of the oil? My husband is a looks after flow meters in the oil field and knows of about 6 options. What price range are you looking at? Bright Blessings, Kim -Original Message- From: Jack Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:03 AM Subject: [biofuel] flow meters Good Morning - does anyone know of a good way to measure (and totalize) flow of oil and methanol from storagew tanks to reactor? I have seen a few meters out there that are very expensive and are not spec'd to do either hot oil or methanol. Any ideas for a source for such a meter? I think this would help me with the accuracy of measurements for large quantities. Thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Iraq...
In a message dated 3/28/03 7:33:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Extracted from links at www.rense.com: seems to be coming, in some part, from intercepted US/UK miltary communication traffic. According to [Russian military] intelligence Pentagon made a decision to significantly reinforce the coalition. During the next two weeks up to 50,000 troops and no less than 500 tanks will arrive to the combat area from the US military bases in Germany and Albania. By the end of April 120,000 more troops and up to 1,200 additional tanks will be sent to support the war against Iraq. A decision was made to change the way aviation is used in this war. The use of precision-guided munitions will be scaled down and these weapons will be reserved for attacking only known, confirmed targets. There will be an increase in the use of conventional high-yield aviation bombs, volume-detonation bombs and incendiary munitions. The USAF command is ordered to deliver to airbases used against Iraq a two-week supply of aviation bombs of 1-tonn caliber and higher as well as volume-detonation and incendiary bombs. This means that Washington is resorting to the scorched earth tactics and carpet-bombing campaign. (source: iraqwar.ru, 03-25-03, translated by Venik) All the non guided munitions can be made guided, by the simple attachment of snap-on guiding equipment, and carpet bobming tank postions and enemy troop concentrations is scarcly a Scortched Earth policy. Also , more armor and more Boots on the ground allows a quicker war, which also minimizes casualties, esp. civilians as the enemies' armed forces can be more quickly defeated thus ending the need to bomb rear areas. 3rdly supposed intercepts of Russian info??? 1 must considder the source, and that it is Rumor...at best, yet is being spoken about as if it were fact. .Is this yet again a ..Blame America first ??? sure sounds like it. .Lets believe any rumor we hear if it's bad.and ignore what we see in mutiple media on numerous channels, and in print. Written by media people there in the field. Or do the armchair war experts at home know so much more ? You want to pretend to know US military tactics, and munitions...tread softly, you're in my ballpark now :-) Respectifully, Jennifer USAF Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YKLNcC/oEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
In a message dated 3/31/03 6:33:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And he do not deserve to be reelected either. Two wrong things does not make one right. Hakan At 06:24 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, you wrote: A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan LOLgood to see some humor in all this I also did not know of the boycott, and also do not believe 2 wrongs make a right. Common sense and sensibilities need to be maintained
Re: [biofuel] flow meters
Thanks Kim - here is a little more detail. 1 - for the heated oil: never above 130 deg F being pumped through a 3/4 copper pipe at roughly 16 gallons/minute. 2 - for the methanol: ambient temp through 3/4 pipe also at 16 gallons/minute. 3 - as for price, well the cheaper the better, as long as it is of good quality. Thanks for the help. Best, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] flow meters What flow rate are you looking for? 10 gals a minute or 100 gpm? What size of pipe? What is the maximum temperature of the oil? My husband is a looks after flow meters in the oil field and knows of about 6 options. What price range are you looking at? Bright Blessings, Kim -Original Message- From: Jack Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:03 AM Subject: [biofuel] flow meters Good Morning - does anyone know of a good way to measure (and totalize) flow of oil and methanol from storagew tanks to reactor? I have seen a few meters out there that are very expensive and are not spec'd to do either hot oil or methanol. Any ideas for a source for such a meter? I think this would help me with the accuracy of measurements for large quantities. Thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs
Paul: I thought the P would stand for Pitiful or Pathetic The material I was working with (or trying to) were Government Acts, running over 300 pages each. Naturally, Government Acts of Law are indexed according to the sections of the Act, not pages. To index those Sections to page numbers s of PDF you would have to separate the Sections of the Act to fit them one to a page, or have a page re-numbering feature in PDF, which it does not have. Besides that, PDF is slow to load, slow to downpage. I have had instances where the largest printout had unreadable text. I mailed the printout to the publisher and requested a paper version that I could read. I am not creating this Government Act creature, just trying to read what was published in PDF, which is an application totally unsuited to this ever popular antiquated data file system. On the upside, It is free, but worth that price Ed - Original Message - From: paul van den bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:37 pm, bratt wrote: If anything deserves boycotting its PDF files. PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages to find information because there is no way to relate the index of the manuscript to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely worthless. there is a lot here to cover and I really don't have time, but here goes. first, sounds like you are angry at someone or something... nevermind, lets assume you have a genuine complaint and not just a winge for the heck of it. second, old and antiquated? I assume you mean by that that it does not perform the function it was built for adequately compared to other more recent inventions that do? if so, what are they? note pdf stands for printable document format - it is a system optimised to allow the sharing over disperate systems of information in a form that can be printed with (preferably) no change from instance to instance. Now personally I prefer postscript, which si far older, but pdfs are certainly more efficient space-wise. thirdly, don't blame pdfs for the authors lack of care in indexing correctly... sounds like you need to take a deep breath before posting... -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
On the other hand, there is a Toronto Ontario radio station that has banned peace songs for the duration of the assault on Iraq. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum In a message dated 3/31/03 6:33:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And he do not deserve to be reelected either. Two wrong things does not make one right. Hakan At 06:24 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, you wrote: A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also.
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
I've been using the Paypal online payment system at my site www.2pieR.com. Paypal has I think about 18-20 million users and has just been bought out for billions by the eBay auction corp. to use as their preferred payment system. I've since disabled the Paypal logos at www.2pieR.com, and replaced the online payment method, for now, with the Nochex system. I also had a look at the payment system thru which I pay my quarterly charges to the website hosting company. The payment system was Worldpay. When I searched to find the ownership of Worldpay, it seemed to be multi-owned by several very large UK corps. So I cancelled my payment account, and asked the hosting company if they accepted payment by other means. Still to resolve this. I'd had a hard afternoons work on the computer, and was pretty thirsty, so I went down to the pub and had a Budweiser. Andrew Preston -- Andrew Preston -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mixing fuels
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:20:53 -0500 Subject:Re: [biofuel] Mixing fuels Send reply to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] depending on climate and injector pump, either it will work, or it will break your injector pump after a while. Med climate. Time will tell. James What would happen if I tried mixing WVO with standard fossil-diesel? Would the two mix and stay mixed? And what would the viscosity be like? I've been running a 1987 Land Rover 110 on a 50/50 blend for about 10,000 km and a 1995 1Mercedes E300 TD on 100% WVO for 4.000 km. The Landy has no mods, the Merc has two pre heaters, a 200W electric and a heat exchanger plumbed into the cooling system. It's early days yet but no problems with either vehicle so far. Just looked at the Merc filters - totally clean. I'm filtering the oil to 1 micron. James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War GainsMomentum
kirk wrote: Don Lancaster (computer guru and other nom de plume) www.tinaja.com on page 2 of his http://www.tinaja.com/glib/myebays.pdf EBay secrets says no foreign bidders, not just Canadian. Why? Because it is a hassle. BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Kirk I find this talk amusing. I live in Canada, but I just bought a supercharger and a mass airflow adapter cone from two different people--both of whom posted their wares on e-Bay. I didn't have any trouble. As for boycotting American products, this is a fashionable idea up here, but the size of the American market is so much greater than the size of the Canadian market that while this kind of talk may get some press and get spread around while chatting to neighbors, the practical reality is that Canadian firms need to sell their products and services in the U.S. Boycotts can work two ways, and would likely hurt Canada more than it would the United States. The ridiculous softwood lumber dispute, a load of foul smelling political nonsense on the part of American firms who want to tie Canadian lumber producers in court long enough to drive them out of business, illustrates this clearly. People here in B.C. have lost jobs, and the economy up here has taken a serious hit. The American lumber industry will lose when the dispute goes to court, but in the interim, corporate profits soar at the expense of people living in small town B.C. who need local lumber industry jobs. Meanwhile, we Americans wonder why the rest of the world seems so irritated with us. . . One positive thing may come from all of this. All the boycott talk may lead people to start producing their own food locally. California could then stop exporting its soil, and local farmers would have a chance to reestablish their market share. This could potentially save a LOT of energy used to transport food from places where it's grown to the places where it's eaten. But then, I've been on this soap box before. . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
As an American dealing with a Canadian, for several months, I haven't had a problem with the Canadian postal service, why do you say that it can be downright moronic? Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 22:56 Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BTU of WVO 'Zine of the Times'
Group, Is there a doccumented source on the web with a chart of available BTU for various SVO and WVO? I thought I had this info on my machine but I can't find it. Also, I just received my copy of Girl_Marks Biodiesel Zine. Wow, nice collection of information. Many subjects in the arena of making biodiesel are covered - the little 'biodiesel bible' if you will. Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
I don't think that he can, because it is freedom of speech. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 04:24 Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mixing fuels
James I am considering initially using a small tractor genset for stand-alone power generation, and then perhaps on a diesel vehicle/car.. Sorry, no experience on gensets. From my understanding to date . . . Heating is obviously vitally important, and also perhaps in the filtering. I have a few questions that I would really appreciate you taking the time to answer, namely: a.. Where (what type of shop) does one pick up 1 micron filters? Got mine from Germany. Don't have the address of the supplier but may be able to find out if you wish. a.. Roughly how many litres can you filter with each filter? Depends on how well the WVO is cleande before filtering. Im now separating twice before filtering. I leave the oil to stand for at least 2 days and then remove the gunk. a.. What type of outlet are you getting the WVO from - it must be good quality oil? Restaurant? Chippie? Various. I like high class restaurants best as their oil is invariably quite clean. a.. Any idea of the oil type? Mainly sunseed. a.. Are you heating the oil at the time of filtering? Yes, using the Sun, oil in black containers. a.. Any other additives used? Yes. I'm using an additive supplied by a Swiss guy. I don't know what it consists of but it is supposed to improve the spray pattern and the burn characteristics. a.. I am also assuming that you are only running a single tank system in the Merc. Yes a.. I assume the 12v? x 200w heater is in the fuel/oil tank of the Merc? No, it's on the fuel line just before the filter.There's on as standard in the tank. A further standard feature is that the glow plugs automatically glow for 3 minutes. This is sure to help. and the heat exchanger is heating the fuel lines? yes a.. Where (what type of shop) can I obtain one of these heaters? Germany. Want the contact? a.. How many litres/gallons does the Merc fuel tank hold? 75 a.. Is the heater continuously heating the oil, even if the vehicle is stationary/not running? Yes. a.. What temperature is the 200w heating element set at - or is it on continuously? Thermostat control - cuts out at 40¼C a.. Can the oil get too hot with the system you have set up? Too hot would be very hot indeed. a.. Any idea of the temperature of the oil that you are using in the vehicle? 40¼C +. a.. Please also elaborate if you would, on the exact positioning of the plumbing where the heat exchanger is at - ie heating the injectors? or just the fuel line? or fuel pump? or fuel filter? There is a water heating circuit for the windscreen washer bottle on the Merc which is used for the heat exchanger. The exchanger is possitioned before the filter and electric heater. a.. What type of fuel pump is on the Merc? Pass. I'll take a look and let you know. a.. Any loss of power in either vehicle? Not noticable. a.. Any noticeable changes in litres/km / mpg Slight increase in consumption. 5% maybe. a.. How long have you been running these vehicles on the WVO - I know 10k and 4k, but is this 1 or 2 or 6 months or more? Landy 5 months; Merc 6 weeks. a.. Any chance of some pics of the plumbing? You should have received pics as I write. James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YKLNcC/oEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
Hi Steve Actually I didn't write, just the conduit this time, and I can't quite say who did write, other than that it's an authoritative source. So, not my opinion. However, thanks for the clarification. 1. The study was partially funded by American Petroleum Institute. Don't know who funded the rest. The API is not exactly to be trusted - you think they bent MIT? Sorry to say it wouldn't be very unusual - there's a lot of concern among scientists about corporations et al buying science, undeclared interests of people writing peer-reviewed studies, etc. along with studies showing that industry-funded studies are definitely more likely to be biased towards the industry than independent studies (what a surprise!). On the other hand, I've been hearing promising, just-around-the-corner (all we need is a few more million) statements about fuel cells for more than 30 years. Diesel hybrids are a ready-for-use technology, fuel cells aren't. As to why that matters, Hakan has put it well in some of his posts, and at his website - here, for instance: http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Structures of a biofuel business It's certainly not intended as discouragement of further research into promising technologies. Best Keith groundhogsteve wrote: --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles A new study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) concluded that diesel hybrids will be better than hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in terms of total energy efficiency and greenhouse gas emissions until at least 2020. Furthermore, adoption of the hydrogen- based vehicle will require major infrastructure changes to make compressed hydrogen available. Keith- The MIT study has been thoroughly discussed on the Yahoo Finance Ballard Power Board. A few points: 1. The study was partially funded by American Petroleum Institute. Don't know who funded the rest. 2. It underestimates the efficiency of reforming natural gas into hydrogen, key to the overall outcome. I would suggest you read this posting by gomor9 http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FNaction=mboard=8728891tid=bldpf; sid=8728891mid=84558 to get a grip on the issue. Although several have claimed gomor9 was wrong, he has effectively answered them, IMO. This efficiency factor is one of the keys to the outcome of the study, and the bias was against fuel cells and towards diesel hybrids. As gomor9 points out, Osaka Gas already claims to have a reformer with significantly higher efficiency, even though it is for very small volumes. 3. The conversion efficiency of oil into diesel is overestimated for likely future scenarios. If we are relying on heavy oils from California, Athabasca, Trinidad, or Venzuela, there is a loss for steam injection into those wells. And at some point, even Middle Eastern oil, which had extremely high natural pressure to begin with, will need secondary and tertiary recovery techniques. 4. As an example of how unrealistic the study is, it is based on oil being available for a price of $12 to $32 per barrel in 2020. Nor does it consider the externalities of acquiring oil or the externalities of pollution. Likewise, it never considers compressed hydrogen generated by hydrolysis as a fuel. And, to be fair, my bias is that I own some Ballard stock. Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ZKLNcC/pEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BTU of WVO 'Zine of the Times'
What? Mark has a BioZine? How to get? How to distribute far and wide? Jesse and Emma OilyWomen From: Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:00:29 -0800 (PST) To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] BTU of WVO 'Zine of the Times' Group, Is there a doccumented source on the web with a chart of available BTU for various SVO and WVO? I thought I had this info on my machine but I can't find it. Also, I just received my copy of Girl_Marks Biodiesel Zine. Wow, nice collection of information. Many subjects in the arena of making biodiesel are covered - the little 'biodiesel bible' if you will. Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Dirty Bombing
Published on Sunday, March 30, 2003 by the Los Angeles Times Uranium Warheads May Leave Both Sides a Legacy of Death for Decades by Susanna Hecht http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0330-02.htm Although the potential human cost of the war with Iraq is obvious, not many people are aware of a hidden risk that may haunt us for years. Of the 504,047 eligible veterans of the 1991 Persian Gulf War, about 29% are now considered disabled by the Department of Veterans Affairs, the highest rate of disability for any modern war. And most are not disabled because of wounds. These guys were rough, tough, buff 20-year-olds a decade ago. The vast majority are ill because of a complex of debilities known as the Gulf War syndrome. These vets were exposed to toxic material from both sides, including numerous chemicals, fumes and weird experimental vaccines. But the largest number of the more than half a million troops eligible for VA benefits -- 436,000 -- lived for months in areas of the Middle Eastern desert that had been contaminated with depleted uranium. Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. If the penetrators do not explode, their casings gradually oxidize, releasing DU into the environment. DU warheads are essentially dirty bombs -- not very radioactive, but poisonous, and this is why there is an increasing global outcry against using DU in combat as tips for armor-piercing rounds as well as in artillery shells and Tomahawk missiles, among others. Such warheads were used very successfully by the U.S. in the Gulf War, when more than 350 tons of depleted uranium were dropped on Iraq, and later in Kosovo when about 13 tons of DU were exploded in the conflict there. The Balkan syndrome that emerged among the military and civilians after the U.S. bombing there bears a similarity to the Gulf War syndrome. Though the findings are controversial, many scientists now see these afflictions as the result of heavy metal poisoning and possibly exposure to very low levels radiation. DU is implicated in respiratory and kidney problems, rashes and, longer-term, bone cancer, as well as damaged reproductive and neurological systems. Iraqi civilians -- many more than the 100,000 who died in the conflict or as a result of the war -- also suffer from a range of similar health problems. Families of soldiers should be very worried. A huge amount of ordnance has already been unleashed in Iraq, and there is no way of knowing how many thousands of tons of depleted uranium will find permanent storage in the rubble of Iraq, its soil and the bodies of its people and U.S. occupying forces. It is certain, however, that the legacy of contamination will add billions to the cost of reconstruction -- and our lack of generosity in Afghanistan is instructive about the sincerity of our pledges in this area. The stingy benefit package the Gulf vets got, even during boom times, is yet another cautionary tale. The rosy fantasies of a democratized Arab world might make for good sound bites. But the reality of widespread DU use brings to mind the epitaph for the Punic Wars: They made a desolation and called it Peace. Susanna Hecht is a professor in the School of Public Policy and Social Research at UCLA. She is head of the environmental analysis and policy program. ___ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Search for smoking gun
Search for smoking gun draws a blank US and Britain's case for war undermined by special forces' failure to find illegal arms at 10 suspected sites Nicholas Watt Monday March 31, 2003 The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,926187,00.html Britain and the United States suffered a fresh blow last night when their main justification for war was undermined by reports that special forces have failed to find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. As Tony Blair launched a charm offensive to persuade the Arab world to understand his decision to go to war, senior officials in Washington said that intelligence information about weapons of mass destruction at 10 sites had proved to be unfounded. The Washington Post reported yesterday that tests had proved negative at all urgent sites in the western desert. All the searches have turned up negative, a staff officer told thenewspaper. The munitions that have been found have all been conventional. Special operations forces from the US, Britain and Australia are understood to have seized the sites which were believed by US central command to house chemical warheads, Scud missiles and eight-wheeled transporter-erector launchers, known as TELs. Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, attempted to play down the findings. He told ABC's This Week that banned weapons were not in areas controlled by allied forces. We know where they are, they are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north of that, he said. But the failure to uncover weapons at sites identified by intelligence will be a severe blow to Tony Blair and George Bush, who attacked Iraq on the basis that Saddam Hussein has the weapons. The prime minister cited Iraq's banned weapons yesterday when attempting to win over the Arab world. Declaring that history will judge him to be right, he told several Arab newspapers that failure to take action against President Saddam would allow him to pass on these weapons to extremist terrorist groups. His remarks came as US officials admitted that they were facing intense pressure to prove the Anglo-American claims about Iraq's stockpile. John Wolf, the assistant secretary of state for non-proliferation, said that Colin Powell was desperate to find a smoking gun. Mr Wolf told the Washington Post: Very clearly, we need to find this stuff or people are going to be asking questions. The failure to locate any proscribed weapons at sites highlighted by US intelligence will come as some relief to Hans Blix, the UN chief weapons inspector, who dismissed American intelligence in the run-up to the war. Mr Blix is now said to be involved in another battle with Washington, which is poaching his staff to set up its own inspectorate in Iraq. Frustrated by the failure of the UN to find banned weapons, Washington is negotiating contracts with private companies to carry out the inspections. This is likely to dismay the prime minister, who is understood to have urged President Bush in private to allow the UN inspectors to resume work in Iraq. US officials told the Washington Post that an international entity would be allowed to verify the discovery of any banned weapons. But the crucial inspection work would be carried out by the US. This has infuriated Mr Blix, who is understood to have lost up to five of his staff to the US team. Mr Blix underlined his anger by telling the paper that three of his staff have asked for his advice about the poaching operation, even though he said he had not heard one word from Washington. He added: They are free as individuals. If they want to terminate their contracts anyone can do that ... But they would not be allowed to reveal anything that they have done here. Critics of the US are also likely to seize on the disclosure that a company with close links to the US vice-president, Dick Cheney, is likely to profit from the destruction of any banned weapons. A subsidiary of Halliburton, of which Mr Cheney was the chairman until he joined the Bush team, is in the running to destroy them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] defending pdfs
I think Deja can certainly replace .pdf Usually 10% of the file size and higher resolution as well. Some nice Deja books here free http://djvued.libs.uga.edu/ -Original Message- From: paul van den bergen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:51 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:37 pm, bratt wrote: If anything deserves boycotting its PDF files. PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages to find information because there is no way to relate the index of the manuscript to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely worthless. there is a lot here to cover and I really don't have time, but here goes. first, sounds like you are angry at someone or something... nevermind, lets assume you have a genuine complaint and not just a winge for the heck of it. second, old and antiquated? I assume you mean by that that it does not perform the function it was built for adequately compared to other more recent inventions that do? if so, what are they? note pdf stands for printable document format - it is a system optimised to allow the sharing over disperate systems of information in a form that can be printed with (preferably) no change from instance to instance. Now personally I prefer postscript, which si far older, but pdfs are certainly more efficient space-wise. thirdly, don't blame pdfs for the authors lack of care in indexing correctly... sounds like you need to take a deep breath before posting... -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Om Festival Was: Boycott of American Goods
Hi Darryl and all, Target the tiger indeed. This makes much more sense to me than attending a Die-In in a Saturday shopping mall. (Though yes, we did that, too, as well as peacefully demonstrating with really big puppets, dancing for peace in the sleet at City Hall, organizing and networking for peace daily...) I'd like to see the 25 foot-long peace dove fluttering gently over an Esso station in downtown Toronto, that wouldn't hurt. Every city must have at least one core of young activists who are putting in the long hours to raise the peace flag. I did some marching in the sixties and now my daughters are the ones getting colds, getting thinner, and sometimes getting arrested (cut that out, girls). The Om Festival is a camp-out they'll love. H.O.P.E.2 (Holistically Organizing for Peace, Equity and the Environment) Village is a venu for workshops and performances at this year's Om Summer Solstice Music Festival in Killaloe Ontario. (Not far from you, Darryl.) Music will thunder, and apparently solar panels will provide some of the volume. Workshops (not all confirmed) include deep ecology, social justice issues, permaculture, cob building, holism, strawbale and earthship construction, wildcrafting, alternative power, and BIOFUEL. Incredible, but there are a lot of people around here who have never heard of biofuel. Give you a funny look when you bring it up. Have no idea that there is such an option. This festival is a great opportunity to spread the word a little, and that's my bit, even though we STILL haven't produced any fuel, our garage is still standing, untested. It's been a long winter. Having read these pages for five months, though, I hilariously imagine I have a grasp of some of the rough concepts. Darryl, who else do you know of is producing any fuel? Hello Ontario and Quebec! Is anyone running a vehicle? Want to drive by and give us a thrill? Killaloe is a pretty town in Ontario, between Ottawa and Algonquin Park. The Sixth Annual Om Festival is to take place June 20 to 22, 2003. Jesse From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] So, should we target the tiger? Would a U.S. version of the same boycott also be effective? Is Exxon/Esso visible in the rest of the world? Do people believe that a 10% drop in retail sales would be noticed by the ExxonMobil accounting department? Do people believe that this would get mentioned to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell? More research required to establish the chain of connections to ensure this is an appropriate target. Your assistance is invited. Then onto tactics - I already have some ideas. Nothing illegal, just targeting the bottom line. When is the busiest time at gas stations? Off to brew another research litre of BD from WVO. Darryl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
So what's your sample size there Greg? Did you read Don's piece? Don is a no BS kind of guy. I've corresponded and talked on the phone with him off and on since probably 8 or 10 years ago. If he says the Canadian post office refused his first class mail they refused his first class mail. If the postage is in full and it is not pornography there is no reason -- except moronic dim bulbs in positions of authority. The other ebay problem I've had is Canadians. They instruct me to put the value on the declaration to be $1. Seems I'm the one liable in that transaction. Gee, Kirk -- you sold that for $1? How do you do that when ebay wants $2 for the auction? Do you make it up in volume? Could we see the receipt please? Yeah-- sure. Would Americans ask the same thing in that circumstance? Probably yes. People are people. But I don't have that paperwork with a US sale. So I don't get asked to perjure myself. Less hassles. I like it that way. Kirk -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:00 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum As an American dealing with a Canadian, for several months, I haven't had a problem with the Canadian postal service, why do you say that it can be downright moronic? Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 22:56 Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing
- Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 09:42 Subject: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Lets get it right, DU, ammunition was not made for the Gulf War. It was developed during the Cold War for dealing with heavy Soviet armor, to give a higher percentage of one shot tank kills, because it was heavy and hard, the right combination needed to penetrate thick advanced armor. It is not loaded into warheads, it is a solid peace of metal that is milled in to a very precise shape. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. Generally fortified positions are going to be attacked with a HEAT type of round which is explosive, but, is not the SABOT ( non-explosive ) round that is being talked about in conjunction with DU. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. This DU SABOT ammunition type is not made to explode, but, just punch through the armor. On the other hand the Uranium is pyroic like common cigarette lighter flints, and when struck hard ( like when it hits armor ), it will give off a spark in the same way ( just allot bigger spark ) this encourages fuel and ammo to burn, some alloys of zirconium do the same thing, in fact, other types of ammunition ( generally small caliber ) is made with zirconium alloys because of this. Not all SABOT used in the Gulf War was DU, nor, were all tank attacks made with the SABOT, the farthest confirmed tank to tank kill in the Gulf War was made by the Brits., and it was made over 5 km, with 2 HEAT rounds. The dust is a by product of the hit, and is for the most part uranium oxide, and was never figured to be a factor in the attack. DU warheads are essentially dirty bombs -- not very radioactive, but poisonous, and this is why there is an increasing global outcry against using DU in combat as tips for armor-piercing rounds as well as in artillery shells and Tomahawk missiles, among others. The last part is pure propaganda BS. DU has only been used ( and is only useful ) in defeating armor and in making tank armor. DU has no place in Tomahawks, artillery shell or any other exploding ( chemical explosion ) type of munitions, because, despite this persons claims, DU is not an explosive. Such warheads were used very successfully by the U.S. in the Gulf War, when more than 350 tons of depleted uranium were dropped on Iraq, and later in Kosovo when about 13 tons of DU were exploded in the conflict there. To claim that 350 tons of DU was dropped on Iraq, and about 13 tons exploded in Kosovo when DU in not used by dropping or is exploded, is cast doubt on some of the other research this person has done in this area. Indeed I doubt that the US even had 350 tons of DU Sabots in the entire theater, let alone in the was able to drop on Iraq. Consider that each Anti-Tank round weighs under 100 lbs. and only a portion of that is the DU Sabot. If you take divide 100 lbs ( for each Anti-Tank Sabot round ) into 350 tons, and figure in each attack had better than a 80% first shot tank kill, this means that a hell of a lot of BS is being passed around, because Iraq never at any time had enough tanks for 350 tons to be used ( let alone the tanks that got away ), especially when you consider that many of the tanks were killed with conventional explosives. The Balkan syndrome that emerged among the military and civilians after the U.S. bombing there bears a similarity to the Gulf War syndrome. Though the findings are controversial, many scientists now see these afflictions as the result of heavy metal poisoning and possibly exposure to very low levels radiation. While heavy metal poisoning is a possibility, the Alfa rays that DU gives off are the weakest of all radiation, and a piece of paper can block them, let alone the clothing that people wear. As to DU causing Gulf War syndrome, consider that some scientist have been finding similarities of GW syndrome with symptoms of Vets from other wars including the US Civil War DU is implicated in respiratory and kidney problems, rashes and, longer-term, bone cancer, as well as damaged reproductive and neurological systems. As are other things. Iraqi civilians -- many more than the 100,000 who died in the conflict or as a result of the war -- also suffer from a range of
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Never had a chance, between computer problems, and Yahoo. I saw your message and asked about it, because I didn't see what it was referring to. I was just asking the question that's all. Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:30 Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum So what's your sample size there Greg? Did you read Don's piece? Don is a no BS kind of guy. I've corresponded and talked on the phone with him off and on since probably 8 or 10 years ago. If he says the Canadian post office refused his first class mail they refused his first class mail. If the postage is in full and it is not pornography there is no reason -- except moronic dim bulbs in positions of authority. The other ebay problem I've had is Canadians. They instruct me to put the value on the declaration to be $1. Seems I'm the one liable in that transaction. Gee, Kirk -- you sold that for $1? How do you do that when ebay wants $2 for the auction? Do you make it up in volume? Could we see the receipt please? Yeah-- sure. Would Americans ask the same thing in that circumstance? Probably yes. People are people. But I don't have that paperwork with a US sale. So I don't get asked to perjure myself. Less hassles. I like it that way. Kirk -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:00 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum As an American dealing with a Canadian, for several months, I haven't had a problem with the Canadian postal service, why do you say that it can be downright moronic? Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 22:56 Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Electric generators
Steve is right, and thanks to him for highlighting it. You need proper isolation kit to protect linesmen for when they think that they have isolated the supply so they can work on it, only to find your voltage there to kill them. It was the principle of sychronisation that I was trying to illuminate. Ken - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Electric generators you need a approved grid tie inverter for that. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: eric12856 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:09 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Electric generators Wow, thanks Ken and Martin, great info and thank you for responding! I thought there was no way a generator/alternator genhead could backfeed the grid. Everything I see on the web says I need an induction motor to do that. Anyway, what I really want to know is how to prevent islanding when the utility goes offline. Any suggestions/references? --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin the is nothing technical to stop you using your alternator as it is to feed back into the main supply. All you need to do is synchronise the alternator output with the mains and then close the switch to couple the two. You will have to common the neutrals. A lamp connected between mains phase and alternator phase is all that is required. As the engine speed is slowly increased, the the lamp will begin to beat slowly on and off as the alternator phase signal slowly slips past the mains phase. When the lamp goes out the two signals are in phase and can be connected together. I.e. you close the switch. henceforth the alternator will be sychronised to the mains and if you increase the Diesel engine throttle, power will be fed to the mains supply. The lamp will have to be double voltage to avoid blowing it. A 240 volt lamp when connecting 110 systems or two 240 lamps in series if running off 240 volt systems. Don't throw out the alternator just to fit an induction motor unless your alternator has specific instructions from the manufactor saying that you are not allowed to connect it to the mains. This same system of synchronising using beating lamps can be applied to 3 phase alternators, just connect 3 lamps between each of the respective 3 phases- Original Message - Ken From: martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Electric generators Your induction generator will continue to function if it isn't overloaded. If the power goes out, the induction generator will either become overloaded and stop generating, or continue to run while back-feeding the power lines. As soon as you notice that the power is out you should throw your main breaker or shut off the generator. If you intend to spin your meter backwards anyway, I'm really not sure if one of the automatic switches would work for you. eric12856 wrote: Lot of smart guys in this group so I figure someone can answer my question that I think may have a simple answer, but first some background. I have a 5hp Biodiesel generator set that I also extract heat (from coolant and exhaust to heat the house). Now that I've moved into a new house (my heating and electric was $450/month!!)I was thinking of swapping out the generator head for an induction motor so that I can intertie with the utility and use the utility as a battery and supplemental power. I know that if the utility goes out that It will produce no electricity since the motor needs the field windings excited to produce. Thats ok, the generator head will be moved to small gas engine as backup. My question: For safety reasons, I would like to stop the Diesel engine when the utility goes off. Anyone know how I can accomplish the shutdown or where I can find a schematic so I can build my own? The engine has a built-in 12 volt shutdown solenoid. Would a simple relay off the main breaker suffice? Thanks! Eric Olsen -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
he had the town road crew remove them . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum I don't think that he can, because it is freedom of speech. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 04:24 Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Hakan, I do hope you are not about to downplay the prospect of the US invading the UK, Daphne du Maurier would turn in her grave. I still have hopes that we would roll over and take the proferred reparations that the US will rain on us after we surrender. We certainly need it! Old people desperately needing care, a mininal state pension that is destined to decline into nothing, no public housing programme, education in crisis, medical services so strained that we have to send our people to France so they can get their operations done, public transport in chaos and Tony Blair ventures our miserable remaining wealth on sorting out the politics of other tyrants. Ken - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum I agree with you and it would be difficult for even Bush to paint the Queen as an evil dictator. Even if he could, London already proved that it can resist bombings. But if Bush wanted to do it, I guess that the French would let him use France as staging area. I have always wondered about how Canada could survive as a country, but if the British and the French can get along, it should be a piece of cake for the Christians and the Muslims. -:) Hakan At 01:32 AM 3/29/2003 +, you wrote: I had the same thought Hakan LOL The good news is, in Canada we have the advantage of much closer ties to the British ( the Queen would be quite upset at any invasion attempt) and the French as well ( since we have a very large Francophone population ), so although our meager military is tied up due to the Afghanistan situation, we most likely would get the support of the British and French. This would lead to an interesting combination of conflicts. The US could be fighting Canada, Britain and France here, while the British and the US are fighting Iraq, while we Canadians are still assisting the US, and the Brits in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, we all continue to buy goods from each other and complain about each other. Even stranger than this is the fact that we as people almost all like each other. HVD ps...anyone thinking of invading Canada would be out of their minds as it is way too cold here... besides, they could just buy what they want.. we will ship it. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Darryl, Good advise, continue to deliver, otherwise you take the risk of being liberated. -:) Hakan At 04:27 PM 3/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: The boycotts cut both ways. I read an article in the past couple of days (can't find citation right now), that American consumers have become more likely to boycott Canadian products because of the Canadian government's opposition to U.S. action in Iraq. (Please note that Canadian troops are currently in Afghanistan, Canadian Navy ships are in the Persian Gulf, and a small number of Canadian military are currently serving attached to U.S and British units in Iraq and area. If U.S. consumers really want to make an impact, I recommend targeting our major exports to the U.S. 1) Oil. The U.S. imports more oil from Canada (Soviet Canuckistan I believe is the current term of choice in Washington D.C.) 2) Natural Gas. 3) Electricity (about 40,000,000,000,000 Watt-hours imported from Canada to U.S. in 2002) 4) Light trucks (including SUVs and minivans and pickups). Over half of these vehicles produced in Canada are exported to the U.S. 5) Softwood lumber. Never mind, the U.S. government has already applied an illegal tariff (per NAFTA) on this, despite having the same tariff overturned by U.S. courts in the past. I understand that boycotting American brands may have a limited effect (hurting local merchants more than U.S. interests). However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send
Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing
There are some people on this list who think they know it all, but actually READ ON references: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=174category=90 http://civic.net/civic-values.archive/199710/msg00053.html http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=127category=79 http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DFE476A2-D7E9-4D77-9D16E6222FEAF06D http://www.sundayherald.com/32522 http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Lets get it right, DU, ammunition was not made for the Gulf War. It was developed during the Cold War for dealing with heavy Soviet armor, to give a higher percentage of one shot tank kills, because it was heavy and hard, the right combination needed to penetrate thick advanced armor. It is not loaded into warheads, it is a solid peace of metal that is milled in to a very precise shape. Yes, let's get it right. DU ammunition was developed because Uranium is a remarkably dense metal, like lead, and thus has lots of inertia when fired into someting at high speed. unfortunately it's also a toxic 'heavy metal' and radioactive. It is designed to be incorporated into the tip of a shell/warhead, to increase penetration efficiency. THe reason why DU is preferable to anything else is that it is a 'low level waste' which can be got rid of by using it in weapons. Bear in mind that 99.3% of all uranium mined is DU (U238) and when the nuclear fuel cycle makes U235 (the fissile isotope), 141kg of U238 is left over as process waste for every kilo of U235 extracted. So it's dirt cheap, and cheaper to dispose of in weapons that to get rid of properly. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. Generally fortified positions are going to be attacked with a HEAT type of round which is explosive, but, is not the SABOT ( non-explosive ) round that is being talked about in conjunction with DU. Ah yes, but when something travelling 500 mph weighing several pounds is stopped suddenly by a large sheet of steel, all that kinetic energy turns to heat, which vapourises the DU, creating clouds of Uranium oxide dust. This can travel large distances airborne, and is easily inhaled. See later. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. This DU SABOT ammunition type is not made to explode, but, just punch through the armor. On the other hand the Uranium is pyroic like common cigarette lighter flints, and when struck hard ( like when it hits armor ), it will give off a spark in the same way ( just allot bigger spark ) this encourages fuel and ammo to burn, some alloys of zirconium do the same thing, in fact, other types of ammunition ( generally small caliber ) is made with zirconium alloys because of this. Not all SABOT used in the Gulf War was DU, nor, were all tank attacks made with the SABOT, the farthest confirmed tank to tank kill in the Gulf War was made by the Brits., and it was made over 5 km, with 2 HEAT rounds. The dust is a by product of the hit, and is for the most part uranium oxide, and was never figured to be a factor in the attack. Whether or not hte dust was 'figured' to be in the attack, the fact remains that the dust produced by these shells is highly toxic and radioactive, and under geneva convention such weapons are actually illegal, due to the toxicological side-effects The fact that it is pyroic is neither here nor there. Napalm is a much more effective incendiary. DU warheads are essentially dirty bombs -- not very radioactive, but poisonous, and this is why there is an increasing global outcry against using DU in combat as tips for armor-piercing rounds as well as in artillery shells and Tomahawk missiles, among others. The last part is pure propaganda BS. DU has only been used ( and is only useful ) in defeating armor and in making tank armor. DU has no place in Tomahawks, artillery shell or any other exploding ( chemical explosion ) type of munitions, because, despite this persons claims, DU is not an explosive. No DU is not an explosive, and it is not being claimed to be an explosive by Hoagy, he correctly states that it is employed in the tips of shells, rounds and in missiles. DU is also
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
He used town resources to enforce a unconstitutional law based on personal opinion? He is going to get his ass in a sling then. I would be real surprised if he didn't end up in court, for violation of constitutional rights. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 13:09 Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum he had the town road crew remove them . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Viscocity for SVO / WVO
Group, Anybody have a reference source for the viscocity for SVO / WVO ? Thanks Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Viscocity for SVO / WVO
Nevermind , found it http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html of course. --- Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Group, Anybody have a reference source for the viscocity for SVO / WVO ? Thanks Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:04, you wrote: Paul: I thought the P would stand for Pitiful or Pathetic The material I was working with (or trying to) were Government Acts, running over 300 pages each. Naturally, Government Acts of Law are indexed according to the sections of the Act, not pages. To index those Sections to page numbers s of PDF you would have to separate the Sections of the Act to fit them one to a page, or have a page re-numbering feature in PDF, which it does not have. Besides that, PDF is slow to load, slow to downpage. I have had instances where the largest printout had unreadable text. I mailed the printout to the publisher and requested a paper version that I could read. I am not creating this Government Act creature, just trying to read what was published in PDF, which is an application totally unsuited to this ever popular antiquated data file system. On the upside, It is free, but worth that price Ed May I suggest that you strip the PDF's to text, then you have access to the usual tools. Linux has tools that will allow this ( it is even possible to circumvent protection schemes) Very useful. Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Using SVO / WVO as a fuel in a oil burner
Group, I would like to correspond with anyone who has had experience using SVO / WVO in a fuel oil boiler. Thanks Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Dear Greg H., He did not enforce any law, but he did an unconstitutional action. With the President setting such a good example, I do not think any of them will end up in court. But the mayor always can say oops! I thought it was litter, sorry. and the President oops! I thought he was going to attack US and had WMD, sorry. It is human to make mistakes. Hakan At 01:43 PM 3/31/2003 -0700, you wrote: He used town resources to enforce a unconstitutional law based on personal opinion? He is going to get his ass in a sling then. I would be real surprised if he didn't end up in court, for violation of constitutional rights. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 13:09 Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum he had the town road crew remove them . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biofuel business in developing countries is published
After Darryl and Keith helped me with language, as foreigner I try to make it as good as possible, but I am really grateful and in need of help. Levent, Mauro and others came with very good comments and as it is a web publication, I am open for other valuable suggestion and changes. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml Feel free to print it, republish or refer to it. Would be producers, politicians and authorities need all info and suggestions that they can get. Luis published also his Yeast selection vs. investment levels for Ethanol production plants, which I think is valuable info. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/ethanolyeast.shtml It is many, especially in developing countries, that read but do not post to the list. If you want to make any comments or have questions, mail me at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. -- Dresden James No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that he can, because it is freedom of speech. Greg H. Hi Greg, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on the topic, butsince when has the Constitution and lack of legal authority been a hindrance to Tyrants? As long as the Police Chief will send men with guns to enforce his 'Law', and a local Magistrate will impose sanctions against offenders, the Constitution is irrelevant. Reality Check! Motie - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 04:24 Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Canada looks at allowing Pacific offshore drilling
CANADA: Canada looks at allowing Pacific offshore drilling http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/20314/story.htm Canada looks at allowing Pacific offshore drilling CANADA: March 31, 2003 VANCOUVER, British Columbia - The Canadian government gave a boost last week to efforts to allow offshore drilling on its Pacific coast, saying it would study lifting a 1972 moratorium on exploration in the region. Natural Resources Minister Herb Dhaliwal said a panel would study the economic and environmental impact of allowing drilling for oil and natural gas around the Queen Charlotte Islands, just south of the Alaska panhandle. Dhaliwal said the panel's creation did not guarantee that the moratorium would be lifted, but made it clear that he wanted it lifted to help boost the sagging economy of British Columbia's mid-coast region. Today's announcement is another move in that right direction, Dhaliwal told a business audience in Vancouver. It's longer than I had wanted. It's longer than I had hoped. But we've got to do it right. Geologists have estimated that the Queen Charlotte Basin has reserves of some 10 billion barrels of oil and 26 trillion cubic feet of gas, which would make it one of Canada's largest energy reserves. Canada considered lifting the moratorium in 1989 but dropped the idea amid public outcry following the wreck of the oil tanker Exxon Valdez in Alaska. Canada allows offshore drilling on its Atlantic coast. Environmentalists immediately attacked Dhaliwal's announcement, saying drilling posed a threat to one of the most pristine regions of North America. David Hocking of the David Suzuki Foundation acknowledged the coastal area where the drilling would happen needs an economic boost, but said it will not get that from allowing offshore drilling. This is really a false hope and it it is distracting attention from the real job issue, Hocking said. Hocking said companies with languishing drilling permits in the region, including ChevronTexaco Corp. (CVX.N), Shell Canada Ltd. (SHC.TO) and Petro-Canada (PCA.TO), are far less eager than the politicians for the moratorium to be lifted. Ottawa's move to revisit the moratorium also sets the stage for a fight with native Indians such as the Haida Nation, who call the Queen Charlotte Islands Haida Gwaii and claim ownership of the offshore resources. Dhaliwal said the study would look at both the scientific issues about the environmental dangers of drilling in the area and public opinion about lifting the moratorium. The report is expected to be completed early next year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Postal service? What? We got that? :-) -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 31, 2003 12:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Don Lancaster (computer guru and other nom de plume) www.tinaja.com on page 2 of his http://www.tinaja.com/glib/myebays.pdf EBay secrets says no foreign bidders, not just Canadian. Why? Because it is a hassle. BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Kirk -Original Message- From: John Mullan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to
Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs
sounds like the right tool for the wrong job to me... On the other hand, perhaps I don't clearly understand the problem. I gather the index gives you section and subsection etc. as a return on a given keyword. is the pdf not bookmarked in sections? I can see no reason, given the number of ways information can be referenced in pdf's, why there should be a problem. Ofcourse, if the people who created teh pdfs don't know what they are doing wrt bookmarks, etc, then there might be an issue... On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:04 am, bratt wrote: Paul: I thought the P would stand for Pitiful or Pathetic The material I was working with (or trying to) were Government Acts, running over 300 pages each. Naturally, Government Acts of Law are indexed according to the sections of the Act, not pages. To index those Sections to page numbers s of PDF you would have to separate the Sections of the Act to fit them one to a page, or have a page re-numbering feature in PDF, which it does not have. Besides that, PDF is slow to load, slow to downpage. I have had instances where the largest printout had unreadable text. I mailed the printout to the publisher and requested a paper version that I could read. I am not creating this Government Act creature, just trying to read what was published in PDF, which is an application totally unsuited to this ever popular antiquated data file system. On the upside, It is free, but worth that price Ed - Original Message - From: paul van den bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:37 pm, bratt wrote: If anything deserves boycotting its PDF files. PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages to find information because there is no way to relate the index of the manuscript to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely worthless. there is a lot here to cover and I really don't have time, but here goes. first, sounds like you are angry at someone or something... nevermind, lets assume you have a genuine complaint and not just a winge for the heck of it. second, old and antiquated? I assume you mean by that that it does not perform the function it was built for adequately compared to other more recent inventions that do? if so, what are they? note pdf stands for printable document format - it is a system optimised to allow the sharing over disperate systems of information in a form that can be printed with (preferably) no change from instance to instance. Now personally I prefer postscript, which si far older, but pdfs are certainly more efficient space-wise. thirdly, don't blame pdfs for the authors lack of care in indexing correctly... sounds like you need to take a deep breath before posting... -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He used town resources to enforce a unconstitutional law based on personal opinion? He is going to get his ass in a sling then. I would be real surprised if he didn't end up in court, for violation of constitutional rights. Greg H. Hi Greg, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen, or bet more than a token amount on a Just outcome. While it is openly obvious that the Mayor's activities were/are illegal, what are the odds that anyone will complain about it? You or I can't complain, as we have no Legal Standing as Damgaed Parties. If an actual Damaged Party were to come forth, numerous actions can/will be taken to suppress them. Our modern Society is so overloaded with onerous regulations, that few can comply with all of them at all times. Most violations are overlooked, when committed by most people. Any attempt to seek Legal Justice against this unauthorized Usurpation of Authority will result in every onerous regulation being enforced against the Complainant. Most people will find it easier to simply accept the illegal removal of their Yellow Ribbons. This, in effect, sets the Precedent for future unauthorized Usurpations, and future misinformed/ignorant potential Jurors mistakenly thinking that the Usurpations are within the Legal Authority of the Mayor in case such a Case should ever go to Trial. Common Knowledge is declining in actual knowledge! Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
the local radio station has picked up on it, and they are sending a van loaded with US flags and yellow ribbons, with the intention of blanketing the town. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He used town resources to enforce a unconstitutional law based on personal opinion? He is going to get his ass in a sling then. I would be real surprised if he didn't end up in court, for violation of constitutional rights. Greg H. Hi Greg, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen, or bet more than a token amount on a Just outcome. While it is openly obvious that the Mayor's activities were/are illegal, what are the odds that anyone will complain about it? You or I can't complain, as we have no Legal Standing as Damgaed Parties. If an actual Damaged Party were to come forth, numerous actions can/will be taken to suppress them. Our modern Society is so overloaded with onerous regulations, that few can comply with all of them at all times. Most violations are overlooked, when committed by most people. Any attempt to seek Legal Justice against this unauthorized Usurpation of Authority will result in every onerous regulation being enforced against the Complainant. Most people will find it easier to simply accept the illegal removal of their Yellow Ribbons. This, in effect, sets the Precedent for future unauthorized Usurpations, and future misinformed/ignorant potential Jurors mistakenly thinking that the Usurpations are within the Legal Authority of the Mayor in case such a Case should ever go to Trial. Common Knowledge is declining in actual knowledge! Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Please Define
Please define, what is refered to when you say SVO/WVO. Maybe I'm just an Iowa farm boy, but I've never heard these terms. Anyway, just want to be on the same sheet of paper. Thanks, Bill Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:15 am, Ken Basterfield wrote: Hakan, I do hope you are not about to downplay the prospect of the US invading the UK, Daphne du Maurier would turn in her grave. I still have hopes that we would roll over and take the proferred reparations that the US will rain on us after we surrender. We certainly need it! Old people desperately needing care, a mininal state pension that is destined to decline into nothing, no public housing programme, education in crisis, medical services so strained that we have to send our people to France so they can get their operations done, public transport in chaos and Tony Blair ventures our miserable remaining wealth on sorting out the politics of other tyrants. Ken It always remains a mystery to me how we can engineer a political system that can take a sufficiently long term view (generational or longer) so that issues like (to take a single issue as example here) overaging of a population do not become a insurmountable issue. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] France as staging area. I have always wondered about how Canada could survive as a country, but if the British and the French can get along, it should be a piece of cake for the Christians and the Muslims. -:) southpark mode Blame Canada! /Cartman -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing
One could argue that the development of DU munitions was in response to the acumulation of a large amount of a heavy metal waste stream from the production of nuclear weapons and nuclear fuel On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:31 am, Tom Tibbits wrote: There are some people on this list who think they know it all, but actually READ ON references: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=174category=90 http://civic.net/civic-values.archive/199710/msg00053.html http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=127category=79 http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DFE476A2-D7E9-4D77-9D16E6222FEA F06D http://www.sundayherald.com/32522 http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Lets get it right, DU, ammunition was not made for the Gulf War. It was developed during the Cold War for dealing with heavy Soviet armor, to give a higher percentage of one shot tank kills, because it was heavy and hard, the right combination needed to penetrate thick advanced armor. It is not loaded into warheads, it is a solid peace of metal that is milled in to a very precise shape. Yes, let's get it right. DU ammunition was developed because Uranium is a remarkably dense metal, like lead, and thus has lots of inertia when fired into someting at high speed. unfortunately it's also a toxic 'heavy metal' and radioactive. It is designed to be incorporated into the tip of a shell/warhead, to increase penetration efficiency. THe reason why DU is preferable to anything else is that it is a 'low level waste' which can be got rid of by using it in weapons. Bear in mind that 99.3% of all uranium mined is DU (U238) and when the nuclear fuel cycle makes U235 (the fissile isotope), 141kg of U238 is left over as process waste for every kilo of U235 extracted. So it's dirt cheap, and cheaper to dispose of in weapons that to get rid of properly. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. Generally fortified positions are going to be attacked with a HEAT type of round which is explosive, but, is not the SABOT ( non-explosive ) round that is being talked about in conjunction with DU. Ah yes, but when something travelling 500 mph weighing several pounds is stopped suddenly by a large sheet of steel, all that kinetic energy turns to heat, which vapourises the DU, creating clouds of Uranium oxide dust. This can travel large distances airborne, and is easily inhaled. See later. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. This DU SABOT ammunition type is not made to explode, but, just punch through the armor. On the other hand the Uranium is pyroic like common cigarette lighter flints, and when struck hard ( like when it hits armor ), it will give off a spark in the same way ( just allot bigger spark ) this encourages fuel and ammo to burn, some alloys of zirconium do the same thing, in fact, other types of ammunition ( generally small caliber ) is made with zirconium alloys because of this. Not all SABOT used in the Gulf War was DU, nor, were all tank attacks made with the SABOT, the farthest confirmed tank to tank kill in the Gulf War was made by the Brits., and it was made over 5 km, with 2 HEAT rounds. The dust is a by product of the hit, and is for the most part uranium oxide, and was never figured to be a factor in the attack. Whether or not hte dust was 'figured' to be in the attack, the fact remains that the dust produced by these shells is highly toxic and radioactive, and under geneva convention such weapons are actually illegal, due to the toxicological side-effects The fact that it is pyroic is neither here nor there. Napalm is a much more effective incendiary. DU warheads are essentially dirty bombs -- not very radioactive, but poisonous, and this is why there is an increasing global outcry against using DU in combat as tips for armor-piercing rounds as well as in artillery shells and Tomahawk missiles, among others. The last part is pure propaganda BS. DU has only been used ( and is only useful ) in defeating armor and in making tank armor. DU has no place in Tomahawks, artillery shell or any other exploding ( chemical
Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing
So the reported amount of 350 tons in one article, the same amount that one of our avid military supporters on this list doubted so vigoursly and attempted to dismiss so off-handedly solely upon his doubt, is not so inaccurate after all? And these guys are only speaking residual Estimates of residual dust now range from the Pentagon's 325 tonnes to other scientific bodies who put the figure as high as 900 tonnes. And what of that mother of all tank battles that occured in Gulf War I - you know, the one that was so little reported? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tom Tibbits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing There are some people on this list who think they know it all, but actually READ ON references: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=174category=90 http://civic.net/civic-values.archive/199710/msg00053.html http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=127category=79 http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DFE476A2-D7E9-4D77-9D16E6222FEAF 06D http://www.sundayherald.com/32522 http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Lets get it right, DU, ammunition was not made for the Gulf War. It was developed during the Cold War for dealing with heavy Soviet armor, to give a higher percentage of one shot tank kills, because it was heavy and hard, the right combination needed to penetrate thick advanced armor. It is not loaded into warheads, it is a solid peace of metal that is milled in to a very precise shape. Yes, let's get it right. DU ammunition was developed because Uranium is a remarkably dense metal, like lead, and thus has lots of inertia when fired into someting at high speed. unfortunately it's also a toxic 'heavy metal' and radioactive. It is designed to be incorporated into the tip of a shell/warhead, to increase penetration efficiency. THe reason why DU is preferable to anything else is that it is a 'low level waste' which can be got rid of by using it in weapons. Bear in mind that 99.3% of all uranium mined is DU (U238) and when the nuclear fuel cycle makes U235 (the fissile isotope), 141kg of U238 is left over as process waste for every kilo of U235 extracted. So it's dirt cheap, and cheaper to dispose of in weapons that to get rid of properly. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. Generally fortified positions are going to be attacked with a HEAT type of round which is explosive, but, is not the SABOT ( non-explosive ) round that is being talked about in conjunction with DU. Ah yes, but when something travelling 500 mph weighing several pounds is stopped suddenly by a large sheet of steel, all that kinetic energy turns to heat, which vapourises the DU, creating clouds of Uranium oxide dust. This can travel large distances airborne, and is easily inhaled. See later. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. This DU SABOT ammunition type is not made to explode, but, just punch through the armor. On the other hand the Uranium is pyroic like common cigarette lighter flints, and when struck hard ( like when it hits armor ), it will give off a spark in the same way ( just allot bigger spark ) this encourages fuel and ammo to burn, some alloys of zirconium do the same thing, in fact, other types of ammunition ( generally small caliber ) is made with zirconium alloys because of this. Not all SABOT used in the Gulf War was DU, nor, were all tank attacks made with the SABOT, the farthest confirmed tank to tank kill in the Gulf War was made by the Brits., and it was made over 5 km, with 2 HEAT rounds. The dust is a by product of the hit, and is for the most part uranium oxide, and was never figured to be a factor in the attack. Whether or not hte dust was 'figured' to be in the attack, the fact remains that the dust produced by these shells is highly toxic and radioactive, and under geneva convention such weapons are actually illegal, due to the toxicological side-effects The fact that it is pyroic is neither here nor there. Napalm is a much more effective incendiary. DU
Re: [biofuel] Please Define
straight vegetable oil, and waste vegetable oil one is new, the other used. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bill Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: [biofuel] Please Define Please define, what is refered to when you say SVO/WVO. Maybe I'm just an Iowa farm boy, but I've never heard these terms. Anyway, just want to be on the same sheet of paper. Thanks, Bill Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Ken, I am sorry, but it is no money left for liberating UK and you went and spent all that money on Iraq and BP. I think that it would be better to talk with Exxon, they still have some and will get more after the liberation of the oil in Iraq. -:) The Americans cannot help you, they have to pay for the Iraqi war first, the US deficit and the foreign debt. -:( I think that Exxon is the best bet, if you cannot get some from BP. Keep me informed about your progress. Hakan At 09:15 PM 3/31/2003 +0100, you wrote: Hakan, I do hope you are not about to downplay the prospect of the US invading the UK, Daphne du Maurier would turn in her grave. I still have hopes that we would roll over and take the proferred reparations that the US will rain on us after we surrender. We certainly need it! Old people desperately needing care, a mininal state pension that is destined to decline into nothing, no public housing programme, education in crisis, medical services so strained that we have to send our people to France so they can get their operations done, public transport in chaos and Tony Blair ventures our miserable remaining wealth on sorting out the politics of other tyrants. Ken - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum I agree with you and it would be difficult for even Bush to paint the Queen as an evil dictator. Even if he could, London already proved that it can resist bombings. But if Bush wanted to do it, I guess that the French would let him use France as staging area. I have always wondered about how Canada could survive as a country, but if the British and the French can get along, it should be a piece of cake for the Christians and the Muslims. -:) Hakan At 01:32 AM 3/29/2003 +, you wrote: I had the same thought Hakan LOL The good news is, in Canada we have the advantage of much closer ties to the British ( the Queen would be quite upset at any invasion attempt) and the French as well ( since we have a very large Francophone population ), so although our meager military is tied up due to the Afghanistan situation, we most likely would get the support of the British and French. This would lead to an interesting combination of conflicts. The US could be fighting Canada, Britain and France here, while the British and the US are fighting Iraq, while we Canadians are still assisting the US, and the Brits in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, we all continue to buy goods from each other and complain about each other. Even stranger than this is the fact that we as people almost all like each other. HVD ps...anyone thinking of invading Canada would be out of their minds as it is way too cold here... besides, they could just buy what they want.. we will ship it. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Darryl, Good advise, continue to deliver, otherwise you take the risk of being liberated. -:) Hakan At 04:27 PM 3/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: The boycotts cut both ways. I read an article in the past couple of days (can't find citation right now), that American consumers have become more likely to boycott Canadian products because of the Canadian government's opposition to U.S. action in Iraq. (Please note that Canadian troops are currently in Afghanistan, Canadian Navy ships are in the Persian Gulf, and a small number of Canadian military are currently serving attached to U.S and British units in Iraq and area. If U.S. consumers really want to make an impact, I recommend targeting our major exports to the U.S. 1) Oil. The U.S. imports more oil from Canada (Soviet Canuckistan I believe is the current term of choice in Washington D.C.) 2) Natural Gas. 3) Electricity (about 40,000,000,000,000 Watt-hours imported from Canada to U.S. in 2002) 4) Light trucks (including SUVs and minivans and pickups). Over half of these vehicles produced in Canada are exported to the U.S. 5) Softwood lumber. Never mind, the U.S. government has already applied an illegal tariff (per NAFTA) on this, despite having the same tariff overturned by U.S. courts in the past. I understand that boycotting American brands may have a limited effect (hurting local merchants more than U.S. interests). However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back!
Re: [biofuel] Please Define
Bill, WVO is waste vegetable oil, SVO is straight vegetable oil, aka new vegetable oil - like you'd buy at the supermarket if it weren't prohibitively priced, fuel-wise. In Germany, SVO - new Canola or rapeseed oil - is considerably cheaper than diesel - aka dinodiesel - at the pump, due to the fact that fuels are taxed so much higher than here. To make things even more confusing for the newbies, SVO is also often paired opposite biodiesel to differentiate it from biodiesel - and those who've converted their vehicles to run on unmodified oil (straight vegetable oil, not biodiesel - get it?) are called SVO'ers. Craig Bill Jeffries wrote: Please define, what is refered to when you say SVO/WVO. Maybe I'm just an Iowa farm boy, but I've never heard these terms. Anyway, just want to be on the same sheet of paper. Thanks, Bill Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing
Tungsten is harder and quite dense. It is not used. Uranium is used because it enters into a reaction with iron when above a critical temperature. That reaction is exothermic. It goes way beyond pyrophoric sparks. The ignition is supplied kinetically but it goes way beyond that energy -- thus the signature, the bright flash and then a MELTED hole without a shaped charge. As a result there is a move into aluminum armor. Softer weaker metal but no exothermic reaction. If it were a kinetic phenomena aluminum would be an inferior choice to steel by far. As for toxicity uranium nails kidneys. Way beyond any radiological phenomena. Toxic effect is chemical. You absolutely don't want it in the water table. Kirk -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:17 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing So the reported amount of 350 tons in one article, the same amount that one of our avid military supporters on this list doubted so vigoursly and attempted to dismiss so off-handedly solely upon his doubt, is not so inaccurate after all? And these guys are only speaking residual Estimates of residual dust now range from the Pentagon's 325 tonnes to other scientific bodies who put the figure as high as 900 tonnes. And what of that mother of all tank battles that occured in Gulf War I - you know, the one that was so little reported? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tom Tibbits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing There are some people on this list who think they know it all, but actually READ ON references: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=174category=90 http://civic.net/civic-values.archive/199710/msg00053.html http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=127category=79 http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DFE476A2-D7E9-4D77-9D16E6222FEAF 06D http://www.sundayherald.com/32522 http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Lets get it right, DU, ammunition was not made for the Gulf War. It was developed during the Cold War for dealing with heavy Soviet armor, to give a higher percentage of one shot tank kills, because it was heavy and hard, the right combination needed to penetrate thick advanced armor. It is not loaded into warheads, it is a solid peace of metal that is milled in to a very precise shape. Yes, let's get it right. DU ammunition was developed because Uranium is a remarkably dense metal, like lead, and thus has lots of inertia when fired into someting at high speed. unfortunately it's also a toxic 'heavy metal' and radioactive. It is designed to be incorporated into the tip of a shell/warhead, to increase penetration efficiency. THe reason why DU is preferable to anything else is that it is a 'low level waste' which can be got rid of by using it in weapons. Bear in mind that 99.3% of all uranium mined is DU (U238) and when the nuclear fuel cycle makes U235 (the fissile isotope), 141kg of U238 is left over as process waste for every kilo of U235 extracted. So it's dirt cheap, and cheaper to dispose of in weapons that to get rid of properly. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. Generally fortified positions are going to be attacked with a HEAT type of round which is explosive, but, is not the SABOT ( non-explosive ) round that is being talked about in conjunction with DU. Ah yes, but when something travelling 500 mph weighing several pounds is stopped suddenly by a large sheet of steel, all that kinetic energy turns to heat, which vapourises the DU, creating clouds of Uranium oxide dust. This can travel large distances airborne, and is easily inhaled. See later. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. This DU SABOT ammunition type is not made to explode, but, just punch through the armor. On the other hand the Uranium is pyroic like common cigarette lighter flints, and when struck hard ( like when it hits armor ), it will give off a spark in the same way ( just allot bigger spark ) this encourages fuel and ammo to burn, some
Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing
The DU weapons used in the Gulf War included 120, 105, 30, 25 and 20mm rounds for use by tanks, aircraft, naval cannon and machine guns. The cruise missiles used to attack major sites in and around Baghdad and major cities carried DU as counterweight to stabilise flight - this would also burn on impact. An estimated 74 per cent of the larger DU weapons containing DU penetrators missed their targets: 'representing a considerable radiological and toxicological hazard to the local environment. People and animals will be affected, as will the water supply. Children playing with these penetrators would be particularly vulnerable,' says Hooper2. and then if you've really got the stomach for it, read about the degenerative diseases and birth deformaties in grossly disproportionate numbers. No doubt there is a debunking team working full time to put a disinformation spin on it so that everyone can sleep better thinking that it's all pascifist propaganda. A few from that team can be found on this list. Hard to say if they're on a payroll or not. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tom Tibbits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing There are some people on this list who think they know it all, but actually READ ON references: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=174category=90 http://civic.net/civic-values.archive/199710/msg00053.html http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=127category=79 http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DFE476A2-D7E9-4D77-9D16E6222FEAF 06D http://www.sundayherald.com/32522 http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Lets get it right, DU, ammunition was not made for the Gulf War. It was developed during the Cold War for dealing with heavy Soviet armor, to give a higher percentage of one shot tank kills, because it was heavy and hard, the right combination needed to penetrate thick advanced armor. It is not loaded into warheads, it is a solid peace of metal that is milled in to a very precise shape. Yes, let's get it right. DU ammunition was developed because Uranium is a remarkably dense metal, like lead, and thus has lots of inertia when fired into someting at high speed. unfortunately it's also a toxic 'heavy metal' and radioactive. It is designed to be incorporated into the tip of a shell/warhead, to increase penetration efficiency. THe reason why DU is preferable to anything else is that it is a 'low level waste' which can be got rid of by using it in weapons. Bear in mind that 99.3% of all uranium mined is DU (U238) and when the nuclear fuel cycle makes U235 (the fissile isotope), 141kg of U238 is left over as process waste for every kilo of U235 extracted. So it's dirt cheap, and cheaper to dispose of in weapons that to get rid of properly. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. Generally fortified positions are going to be attacked with a HEAT type of round which is explosive, but, is not the SABOT ( non-explosive ) round that is being talked about in conjunction with DU. Ah yes, but when something travelling 500 mph weighing several pounds is stopped suddenly by a large sheet of steel, all that kinetic energy turns to heat, which vapourises the DU, creating clouds of Uranium oxide dust. This can travel large distances airborne, and is easily inhaled. See later. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. This DU SABOT ammunition type is not made to explode, but, just punch through the armor. On the other hand the Uranium is pyroic like common cigarette lighter flints, and when struck hard ( like when it hits armor ), it will give off a spark in the same way ( just allot bigger spark ) this encourages fuel and ammo to burn, some alloys of zirconium do the same thing, in fact, other types of ammunition ( generally small caliber ) is made with zirconium alloys because of this. Not all SABOT used in the Gulf War was DU, nor, were all tank attacks made with the SABOT, the farthest confirmed tank to tank kill in the Gulf War was made by the Brits., and it was made over 5 km, with 2 HEAT
[biofuel] [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
Hello Steve Keith- Don't get me wrong, I think biodiesel is pretty neat stuff, to the point that as soon as I get some springtime things done for my business, I'll see about putting together a business plan for a moderate scale (500-1,000 K GPY) WVO to biodiesel facility in my area. My overall view is that there is no one energy solution. That's the overall view of both our lists, often expressed. It is a series of small incremental solutions that cover specific situations. Yes, plus decentralization, as well as greatly improved energy-use reduction and efficiency. I see fuel cells using hydrolysis from renewables as one part. Not yet - even if they're on the road now, still not yet, there are other factors that are at least as important. Did you read the article at Hakan's site I referred you to? http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Structures of a biofuel business And the new one he's just posted: http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml Biofuel business in developing countries is published I see conservation as a big part still (did you know about replacement tire sidewall stiffness? New tires are reasonably stiff to get a slightly higher CAFE rating, but the replacement tires you put on your vehicle aren't required, and probably are not, the same stiffness. Enough savings there to cover 3 or 4 ANWARs over the next 50 years. Enough digression) See various writing by Amory Lovins - http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=Lovinslist=biofuels-biz I just don't see there being enough farmland to grow enough biodiesel to cover all transport needs. It would be difficult enough to cover the current diesel market, much less expanding into electrical generation. And of course, there is the food or fuel question. But now you're looking at it from the point of view of one energy solution. Actually, IMO, these are both non-questions, or the wrong questions anyway. Re food or fuel, see: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_food.html Biofuels - Food or Fuel? http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html Is ethanol energy-efficient? But diesel hybrids do sound pretty good. The first beta version of fuel cell cars are in the customer's hands in California and Japan. The first 30 busses are being demonstrated in Europe. All the fuel cell companies are being really secretive about where they are on platinum loading reduction and the overall cost curve. Ballard is actually out selling real fuel cells, not demonstration ones. So I think they will be coming into the mainstream within 5 years. But I would be interested in any studies you may know about that show how much farmland would be required to cover our fuel needs, etc. How about none? http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1395list=BIOFUELS-BIZ Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1395list=BIOFUELS-BIZ How much fuel can we grow? http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=18699list=BIOFUEL Soil is not a finite resource. etc Best Keith Steve Hi Steve Actually I didn't write, just the conduit this time, and I can't quite say who did write, other than that it's an authoritative source. So, not my opinion. However, thanks for the clarification. 1. The study was partially funded by American Petroleum Institute. Don't know who funded the rest. The API is not exactly to be trusted - you think they bent MIT? Sorry to say it wouldn't be very unusual - there's a lot of concern among scientists about corporations et al buying science, undeclared interests of people writing peer-reviewed studies, etc. along with studies showing that industry-funded studies are definitely more likely to be biased towards the industry than independent studies (what a surprise!). On the other hand, I've been hearing promising, just-around-the-corner (all we need is a few more million) statements about fuel cells for more than 30 years. Diesel hybrids are a ready-for-use technology, fuel cells aren't. As to why that matters, Hakan has put it well in some of his posts, and at his website - here, for instance: http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Structures of a biofuel business It's certainly not intended as discouragement of further research into promising technologies. Best Keith groundhogsteve wrote: --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles A new study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) concluded that diesel hybrids will be better than hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in terms of total energy efficiency and greenhouse gas emissions until at least 2020. Furthermore, adoption of the hydrogen- based vehicle will require major infrastructure changes to make compressed hydrogen available. Keith- The MIT study has been thoroughly discussed on the Yahoo Finance Ballard Power Board. A few points: 1. The study was
[biofuel] [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
Keith forwards: Hello Steve Keith- Don't get me wrong, I think biodiesel is pretty neat stuff, to the point that as soon as I get some springtime things done for my business, I'll see about putting together a business plan for a moderate scale (500-1,000 K GPY) WVO to biodiesel facility in my area. . My overall view is that there is no one energy solution. I just don't see there being enough farmland to grow enough biodiesel to cover all transport needs. It would be difficult enough to cover the current diesel market, much less expanding into electrical generation. And of course, there is the food or fuel question. ...I would be interested in any studies you may know about that show how much farmland would be required to cover our fuel needs, etc. I love it -- don't really know where this came from, but I was captivated. Who is this Steve cat? I love the assumption that the solution will somehow be the one that allows us to continue our present epoch unmodified. What about the idea that NOTHING will work unless we're willing to examine a possible lifestyle change (!!!) I wonder if he'd like to address THAT with me.. -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
negawatts are cheaper then megawatts. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [biofuel] [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles Keith forwards: Hello Steve Keith- Don't get me wrong, I think biodiesel is pretty neat stuff, to the point that as soon as I get some springtime things done for my business, I'll see about putting together a business plan for a moderate scale (500-1,000 K GPY) WVO to biodiesel facility in my area. . My overall view is that there is no one energy solution. I just don't see there being enough farmland to grow enough biodiesel to cover all transport needs. It would be difficult enough to cover the current diesel market, much less expanding into electrical generation. And of course, there is the food or fuel question. ...I would be interested in any studies you may know about that show how much farmland would be required to cover our fuel needs, etc. I love it -- don't really know where this came from, but I was captivated. Who is this Steve cat? I love the assumption that the solution will somehow be the one that allows us to continue our present epoch unmodified. What about the idea that NOTHING will work unless we're willing to examine a possible lifestyle change (!!!) I wonder if he'd like to address THAT with me.. -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
Steve writes: negawatts are cheaper then megawatts. Exactly -- and more fun. Now to just convince EVERYONE. -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing
USA alone has 500,000 tons DU stockpiled. Tom, As the balance of my efforts have shifted from waste to energy (to be read incineration of all types) to efficiency (to be read coal fired power plant issues) to converting FFAs to esters, I'm just a wee tad rusty on my nukes. Forgetting for a moment the whole idea of Atoms for Peace, (whoever thought that one up should be summarily shot) and disinformationalists who have promised to eat an entire gram of plutonium to disprove concerns for its toxicity (when solid, not airborne)... just what useful purpose can 500,000 tons (1,000,000,000 pounds) (billion with a b) of U238 be put towards? There has got to be something. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tom Tibbits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing There are some people on this list who think they know it all, but actually READ ON references: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=174category=90 http://civic.net/civic-values.archive/199710/msg00053.html http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=127category=79 http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DFE476A2-D7E9-4D77-9D16E6222FEAF 06D http://www.sundayherald.com/32522 http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Lets get it right, DU, ammunition was not made for the Gulf War. It was developed during the Cold War for dealing with heavy Soviet armor, to give a higher percentage of one shot tank kills, because it was heavy and hard, the right combination needed to penetrate thick advanced armor. It is not loaded into warheads, it is a solid peace of metal that is milled in to a very precise shape. Yes, let's get it right. DU ammunition was developed because Uranium is a remarkably dense metal, like lead, and thus has lots of inertia when fired into someting at high speed. unfortunately it's also a toxic 'heavy metal' and radioactive. It is designed to be incorporated into the tip of a shell/warhead, to increase penetration efficiency. THe reason why DU is preferable to anything else is that it is a 'low level waste' which can be got rid of by using it in weapons. Bear in mind that 99.3% of all uranium mined is DU (U238) and when the nuclear fuel cycle makes U235 (the fissile isotope), 141kg of U238 is left over as process waste for every kilo of U235 extracted. So it's dirt cheap, and cheaper to dispose of in weapons that to get rid of properly. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. Generally fortified positions are going to be attacked with a HEAT type of round which is explosive, but, is not the SABOT ( non-explosive ) round that is being talked about in conjunction with DU. Ah yes, but when something travelling 500 mph weighing several pounds is stopped suddenly by a large sheet of steel, all that kinetic energy turns to heat, which vapourises the DU, creating clouds of Uranium oxide dust. This can travel large distances airborne, and is easily inhaled. See later. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. This DU SABOT ammunition type is not made to explode, but, just punch through the armor. On the other hand the Uranium is pyroic like common cigarette lighter flints, and when struck hard ( like when it hits armor ), it will give off a spark in the same way ( just allot bigger spark ) this encourages fuel and ammo to burn, some alloys of zirconium do the same thing, in fact, other types of ammunition ( generally small caliber ) is made with zirconium alloys because of this. Not all SABOT used in the Gulf War was DU, nor, were all tank attacks made with the SABOT, the farthest confirmed tank to tank kill in the Gulf War was made by the Brits., and it was made over 5 km, with 2 HEAT rounds. The dust is a by product of the hit, and is for the most part uranium oxide, and was never figured to be a factor in the attack. Whether or not hte dust was 'figured' to be in the attack, the fact remains that the dust produced by these shells is highly toxic and radioactive, and under geneva convention such weapons are actually illegal, due to the toxicological
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Sure we have postal service in Canaduh.. Very efficient lot too. They have been playing an active part in opening and scruitenising my mail for years. The reason being that I study the Bible, and get Bible related material from churches in the US. . The last piece opened had a feature article titled Science Fiction or Gospel with an illustration of St. George slaying a dragon. This highly suspicious booklet was examined, most likely as possible hate literature, either by the post office itself, or by whoever they delivered it to first, rather than to me, the addressee. Because I study the Bible, I could give a complete and rational explanation of why they feel Biblical material is possibly hate literature, but the establishment might shut down this site. Ed Verses for today..John 8:31 - 44 .- Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Postal service? What? We got that? :-) -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 31, 2003 12:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Don Lancaster (computer guru and other nom de plume) www.tinaja.com on page 2 of his http://www.tinaja.com/glib/myebays.pdf EBay secrets says no foreign bidders, not just Canadian. Why? Because it is a hassle. BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Kirk -Original Message- From: John Mullan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of
RE: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing
Put it back in the hole it was taken out of. Kirk -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:55 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing USA alone has 500,000 tons DU stockpiled. Tom, As the balance of my efforts have shifted from waste to energy (to be read incineration of all types) to efficiency (to be read coal fired power plant issues) to converting FFAs to esters, I'm just a wee tad rusty on my nukes. Forgetting for a moment the whole idea of Atoms for Peace, (whoever thought that one up should be summarily shot) and disinformationalists who have promised to eat an entire gram of plutonium to disprove concerns for its toxicity (when solid, not airborne)... just what useful purpose can 500,000 tons (1,000,000,000 pounds) (billion with a b) of U238 be put towards? There has got to be something. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tom Tibbits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing There are some people on this list who think they know it all, but actually READ ON references: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=174category=90 http://civic.net/civic-values.archive/199710/msg00053.html http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=127category=79 http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DFE476A2-D7E9-4D77-9D16E6222FEAF 06D http://www.sundayherald.com/32522 http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Lets get it right, DU, ammunition was not made for the Gulf War. It was developed during the Cold War for dealing with heavy Soviet armor, to give a higher percentage of one shot tank kills, because it was heavy and hard, the right combination needed to penetrate thick advanced armor. It is not loaded into warheads, it is a solid peace of metal that is milled in to a very precise shape. Yes, let's get it right. DU ammunition was developed because Uranium is a remarkably dense metal, like lead, and thus has lots of inertia when fired into someting at high speed. unfortunately it's also a toxic 'heavy metal' and radioactive. It is designed to be incorporated into the tip of a shell/warhead, to increase penetration efficiency. THe reason why DU is preferable to anything else is that it is a 'low level waste' which can be got rid of by using it in weapons. Bear in mind that 99.3% of all uranium mined is DU (U238) and when the nuclear fuel cycle makes U235 (the fissile isotope), 141kg of U238 is left over as process waste for every kilo of U235 extracted. So it's dirt cheap, and cheaper to dispose of in weapons that to get rid of properly. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. Generally fortified positions are going to be attacked with a HEAT type of round which is explosive, but, is not the SABOT ( non-explosive ) round that is being talked about in conjunction with DU. Ah yes, but when something travelling 500 mph weighing several pounds is stopped suddenly by a large sheet of steel, all that kinetic energy turns to heat, which vapourises the DU, creating clouds of Uranium oxide dust. This can travel large distances airborne, and is easily inhaled. See later. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. This DU SABOT ammunition type is not made to explode, but, just punch through the armor. On the other hand the Uranium is pyroic like common cigarette lighter flints, and when struck hard ( like when it hits armor ), it will give off a spark in the same way ( just allot bigger spark ) this encourages fuel and ammo to burn, some alloys of zirconium do the same thing, in fact, other types of ammunition ( generally small caliber ) is made with zirconium alloys because of this. Not all SABOT used in the Gulf War was DU, nor, were all tank attacks made with the SABOT, the farthest confirmed tank to tank kill in the Gulf War was made by the Brits., and it was made over 5 km, with 2 HEAT rounds. The dust is a by product of the hit, and is for the most part uranium oxide, and was never figured to be a factor in the attack. Whether
[biofuel] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles
Hi Steve, Ken and all negawatts are cheaper then megawatts. Yes, better economics all round - better everything. Hence my reference to Amory Lovins. Which would have found these, among other things: Negawatts: Twelve Transitions, Eight Improvements, and One Distraction (PDF-166k) Full text of an invited review article for Energy Policy's April 1996 special issue on the future of demand-side management. http://www.rmi.org/images/other/E-Negawatts12-8-1.pdf Mobilizing Energy Solutions. Amory B. Lovins and L. Hunter Lovins. TAP: Vol 13, Iss. 2 http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/2/lovins-a.html (PDF-52k) http://www.rmi.org/images/other/E-MobilizeEnergySol.pdf Energy Forever (PDF-48k) http://www.rmi.org/images/other/E-EnergyForever.pdf Best Keith Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [biofuel] [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles Keith forwards: Hello Steve Keith- Don't get me wrong, I think biodiesel is pretty neat stuff, to the point that as soon as I get some springtime things done for my business, I'll see about putting together a business plan for a moderate scale (500-1,000 K GPY) WVO to biodiesel facility in my area. . My overall view is that there is no one energy solution. I just don't see there being enough farmland to grow enough biodiesel to cover all transport needs. It would be difficult enough to cover the current diesel market, much less expanding into electrical generation. And of course, there is the food or fuel question. ...I would be interested in any studies you may know about that show how much farmland would be required to cover our fuel needs, etc. I love it -- don't really know where this came from, but I was captivated. Who is this Steve cat? I love the assumption that the solution will somehow be the one that allows us to continue our present epoch unmodified. What about the idea that NOTHING will work unless we're willing to examine a possible lifestyle change (!!!) I wonder if he'd like to address THAT with me.. -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs
No relationship exists between the sections, sub-sections and sub-sub-sections of the Acts and Regulations and the pdf pages. There is no keyword involved. For example, take Municipal taxes, where I want to know the authority to tax, what section of the act permits a Municipal Government to tax, what proceedure is to be followed to establish a tax roll, what forms must be used, what notices must be issued, when each of these must be completed, who must do each, and everyone of these questions is answered in a section, sub, or sub-sub. It involves scanning after looking the sections up in the index and guessing how far through the 300+ pages it might be. It is obvious that the individual who decided to put the Acts in PDF form has never ever tried to find any information in these files. Of coarse, he or she would have a handy paper copy, in book form, whereas the pdf copy is actually like a roll of toilet tissue which unwinds like a scroll across the computer screen. Ed - Original Message - From: paul van den bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs sounds like the right tool for the wrong job to me... On the other hand, perhaps I don't clearly understand the problem. I gather the index gives you section and subsection etc. as a return on a given keyword. is the pdf not bookmarked in sections? I can see no reason, given the number of ways information can be referenced in pdf's, why there should be a problem. Ofcourse, if the people who created teh pdfs don't know what they are doing wrt bookmarks, etc, then there might be an issue... On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:04 am, bratt wrote: Paul: I thought the P would stand for Pitiful or Pathetic The material I was working with (or trying to) were Government Acts, running over 300 pages each. Naturally, Government Acts of Law are indexed according to the sections of the Act, not pages. To index those Sections to page numbers s of PDF you would have to separate the Sections of the Act to fit them one to a page, or have a page re-numbering feature in PDF, which it does not have. Besides that, PDF is slow to load, slow to downpage. I have had instances where the largest printout had unreadable text. I mailed the printout to the publisher and requested a paper version that I could read. I am not creating this Government Act creature, just trying to read what was published in PDF, which is an application totally unsuited to this ever popular antiquated data file system. On the upside, It is free, but worth that price Ed - Original Message - From: paul van den bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] defending pdfs On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:37 pm, bratt wrote: If anything deserves boycotting its PDF files. PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages to find information because there is no way to relate the index of the manuscript to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely worthless. there is a lot here to cover and I really don't have time, but here goes. first, sounds like you are angry at someone or something... nevermind, lets assume you have a genuine complaint and not just a winge for the heck of it. second, old and antiquated? I assume you mean by that that it does not perform the function it was built for adequately compared to other more recent inventions that do? if so, what are they? note pdf stands for printable document format - it is a system optimised to allow the sharing over disperate systems of information in a form that can be printed with (preferably) no change from instance to instance. Now personally I prefer postscript, which si far older, but pdfs are certainly more efficient space-wise. thirdly, don't blame pdfs for the authors lack of care in indexing correctly... sounds like you need to take a deep breath before posting... -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the
Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing
It is as a result of the economics involved in building, running and decommision costs of nuclear power plants. Overall they are very expensive, when all factors including storage and disposal of radioactive waste is factored in. Income is bolstered by recycling waste. The search for uses for waste--re-cycling--has brought about several new industries. 1. Nuclear medicine 2. Irradiated food. 3. Weapons grade Uranium 4. DU weapons of war. Seems like the search for use of radioactive waste finds solutions each of which gets more deadly than the use before. .- Original Message - From: paul van den bergen To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Dirty Bombing One could argue that the development of DU munitions was in response to the acumulation of a large amount of a heavy metal waste stream from the production of nuclear weapons and nuclear fuel On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:31 am, Tom Tibbits wrote: There are some people on this list who think they know it all, but actually READ ON references: http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=174category=90 http://civic.net/civic-values.archive/199710/msg00053.html http://www.theecologist.org/archive_article.html?article=127category=79 http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DFE476A2-D7E9-4D77-9D16E6222FEA F06D http://www.sundayherald.com/32522 http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/du.htm Depleted uranium, or DU, is a highly toxic heavy metal that continues to emit low levels of alpha radiation. It is a byproduct of nuclear power plants and various military activities. The United States has hundreds of thousands of tons of DU lying around, and for the Gulf War it developed a new use for the stuff: load it into warheads. Lets get it right, DU, ammunition was not made for the Gulf War. It was developed during the Cold War for dealing with heavy Soviet armor, to give a higher percentage of one shot tank kills, because it was heavy and hard, the right combination needed to penetrate thick advanced armor. It is not loaded into warheads, it is a solid peace of metal that is milled in to a very precise shape. Yes, let's get it right. DU ammunition was developed because Uranium is a remarkably dense metal, like lead, and thus has lots of inertia when fired into someting at high speed. unfortunately it's also a toxic 'heavy metal' and radioactive. It is designed to be incorporated into the tip of a shell/warhead, to increase penetration efficiency. THe reason why DU is preferable to anything else is that it is a 'low level waste' which can be got rid of by using it in weapons. Bear in mind that 99.3% of all uranium mined is DU (U238) and when the nuclear fuel cycle makes U235 (the fissile isotope), 141kg of U238 is left over as process waste for every kilo of U235 extracted. So it's dirt cheap, and cheaper to dispose of in weapons that to get rid of properly. Though not technically nuclear, because the material is not really fissionable, uranium is a heavy metal ideal for lethally effective warhead penetrators that can pierce through armored tanks and fortified positions. Generally fortified positions are going to be attacked with a HEAT type of round which is explosive, but, is not the SABOT ( non-explosive ) round that is being talked about in conjunction with DU. Ah yes, but when something travelling 500 mph weighing several pounds is stopped suddenly by a large sheet of steel, all that kinetic energy turns to heat, which vapourises the DU, creating clouds of Uranium oxide dust. This can travel large distances airborne, and is easily inhaled. See later. When the munitions explode, the area is bathed in a fine dust of DU that can be easily inhaled. These aerosols also taint soil and water and pollute ground water. This DU SABOT ammunition type is not made to explode, but, just punch through the armor. On the other hand the Uranium is pyroic like common cigarette lighter flints, and when struck hard ( like when it hits armor ), it will give off a spark in the same way ( just allot bigger spark ) this encourages fuel and ammo to burn, some alloys of zirconium do the same thing, in fact, other types of ammunition ( generally small caliber ) is made with zirconium alloys because of this. Not all SABOT used in the Gulf War was DU, nor, were all tank attacks made with the SABOT, the farthest confirmed tank to tank kill in the Gulf War was made by the Brits., and it was made over 5 km, with 2 HEAT rounds. The dust is a by product of the hit, and is for the most part uranium oxide,
