[biofuel] Re: oil crop yields
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The canola plant is a *variety* of rapeseed. http://www.northerncanola.com/canolainfo/history.asp or this from the FDA: http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00198.html FDA is proposing to allow an edible oil extracted from rapeseed to be called canola oil. The proposal, published in the Federal Register on Sept.16, (1988) would recognize canola oil as an alternate common or usual name for low erucic acid rapeseed oil... snip ...The proposal to permit it to be called canola oil responds to a petition from the Canola Council of Canada. Virtually all the LEAR oil used in the United States is imported from Canada, the world's leading producer of rapeseed. Not quite as different as corn oil is from olive oil... Yes it is, more so actually. Rapeseed oil was not an edible oil, Canola oil is. . And, ahem, pretty obvious why they changed the name, Might be obvious, I just asked for a link. He stated that the Americans didn't like the name, so they changed it, that part was not so obvious. That's not why they changed the name. Where did that come from. Why did that need to be said. I didn't agree with it, I asked for a link. despite your mockery. My mockery?? Sorry, it was a simple cut and paste from http://www.canola.org Was not intended to mock anything, nor do I think it did. It was the first QA when you you click on Canola Coucil of Canada and click on the Truths and Myths about Canola I'm always distrustful when someone doesn't sign their posts. Just curious--k5farms-- are you a canola grower? What would make you trust me, yes or no? This list isn't much for tolerating misleading information. Someone will always correct you. This time it was me. OK,what did you correct? Are you going to tell me mustard and canola are the same too? You could prove that true too. Peace, Quinn King Fa If you want something you've never had before, your going to have to do something you've never done before. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel producers in Minnesota
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, clifonef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in seeing a small-scale biodiesel process in the Twin Cities of Minnesota. Failing this, I am interested in buying the basic ingredients to make a very small batch of biodiesel fuel. Methanol seems to be in scarce supply locally. Does anyone know where to obtain methanol? Thanks, Clif Walmart, automotive GAS-LINE antifreeze. Last I bought was Pro-heat bottles 4 for a buck last I bought, check the contents of the cheapest ones. Should say contains methanol if it doesn't say injector cleaner or detergents, its just methanol, check the ingredients. I've made many batches with new oil, with no problems. But without correct labeling, who knows whats really in them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vhSowB/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: renewable lubricants
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Maud Essen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Alan's request I'd like to add a request for information on sources of renewable, non-petroleum-based grease for fittings and bushings. Maud St. Louis, MO http://www.renewablelube.com/ http://www.gemtek.com/ http://www.terresolve.com/ http://www.soypower.net/ http://www.lubegard.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: oil crop yields
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/nexus/Brassica_rapeseed_nex.html Canola and rapeseed is the same, Q: Olive oil comes from olives, peanut oil from peanuts, sunflower oil from sunflowers, but where does canola oil come from--is canola oil rapeseed oil? A: No. Canola oil comes from canola seed. Canola is the name given to a very healthy oil that was developed from rapeseed. But it is not rapeseed oil and has vastly different fatty acid and other properties than rapeseed oil. Canola was developed using traditional plant breeding methods to remove undesirable qualities in rapeseed. In terms of their properties, canola oil is as different from rapeseed oil as olive oil is as different from corn oil. www.canola.org And their yields do vary, as do their oil content, but close enough for who its for, eh? the Americans did not like the name association. Hakan Wheres the link for that? What Americans? The Canadian Americans, Mexican Americans, Latin Americans, Southern Americans. Come now, whom exactly are you trying to defer? Another reason for Canola, it was a good marketing move, something your going to see a lot more of. Its Canadian Oil, Canola. something positive for their farmers and using a Nationalist name to to also show they're proud of their country. Oil content has more to do with precipitation,weather, seed variety, land/soil structure, time of year planted, weed interaction, etc. best to check with seed producers for best optimization in ones own neck of the woods, to get a more specific oil/yield idea. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: oil crop yields
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, A Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Would anyone know how much oil you get out of a tonne of canola seed? Total Crush /Oil Production /Meal Production (000 tonnes) August 2002 191 81 118 September 2002 217 92 136 October 2002 193 80 121 November 2002 168 68 105 December 2002 145 61 92 January 2003 146 61 92 February 2003 186 77 116 March 2003 192 80 120 April 2003 188 78 115 May 2003 181 76 113 June 2003 198 81 122 July 2003 TOTAL YTD 2,004 834 1,252 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Fwd: Weekend fire destroys backyard biodiesel operation
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot to be said for having a closed system. Would have saved the building. Sometimes stuff happens. Most of the time it don't. But now wouldn't be the time to pick snits. Sorry he suffered the loss and glad the burns are only superficial. Todd Swearingen People should always understand that your working with explosive gasses and combustable fuels and that stray sparks and leaking gasses will find each other at most unfortunate times!: BENSON, Minn. - An explosion and fire rocked a plant where corn is turned into ethanol Wednesday, killing one worker and injuring another man, officials said. Robert Olson, 20, was working near a storage tank filled with 40,000 gallons of corn mash when it exploded at Chippewa Valley Ethanol Co., authorities said. The tank was thrown about 75 feet and landed on a tanker truck filled with ethanol, causing the fire. Firefighters from 11 surrounding towns fought the blaze and pumped water on rail cars to keep them cool, Sheriff Kenneth Hanson said. Troy Leonard was taken to a hospital with acid burns, according to a hospital spokesman. He was reported in fair condition. Authorities did not know what caused the storage tank to explode. The blast occurred in the part of the plant where corn is turned into mash, which is later processed into ethanol. About 40 people work at the plant, which also produces alcohol used for vodka and products such as hair spray and mouthwash. Olson was a contractor with Lundin Construction of Hanley Falls. Gary Klemm, who works at a nearby plant, said he saw the explosion demolish the storage tank. I was coming down the road and I saw the top blow right off, Klemm said. Benson is about 120 miles northwest of Minneapolis. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/ap/20031024/ap_on_re_us/ethanol_plant_fire_2 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: High Gas Prices May Cripple Fertilizer Industry
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031010/1735000788_2.html Dow Jones Business News High Gas Prices May Cripple Fertilizer Industry -GAO Friday October 10, 5:35 pm ET By Spencer Jakab, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--A study released today by the General Accounting Office highlights the dramatic impact that high natural gas prices have had on the U.S. fertilizer industry and the agricultural sector that relies on it. ADVERTISEMENT High gas prices during 2000-2001 led to a 25% reduction in domestic fertilizer capacity as production of nitrogen based products became overly costly, the study said. It also led to a 43% increase in imports of nitrogen-based fertilizer and a 7% reduction in usage through a combination of crop selection and cutbacks. The GAO study cites fertilizer industry officials in saying that high gas prices threaten to irreversibly cripple the industry. Citing more recent data, Kathy Mathers of the Fertilizer Institute, an industry trade body, said that 40% of domestic capacity has been shut despite a four-year high in prices of diammonium phosphate, the most commonly used fertilizer. Ninety percent of the input cost of ammonia is natural gas. The boost in natural gas prices has put tremendous pressure on this industry, Mathers said. Unlike crude oil, global differences in natural gas prices can't be arbitraged away, because the commodity is so difficult to transport. Thus, many producers elsewhere in the world now enjoy much lower input costs than U.S. fertilizer plants. The ability to compete in world markets is not sustainable at this level, says Kevin Swift of the American Chemistry Council (News - Websites) , referring to the broader petrochemical industry. The co-chairmen of a congressional committee that commissioned the GAO report, Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La., and Rep. Richard Pombo, R-Calif., highlighted the study as lending support to plans to ease restrictions on natural gas drilling in the U.S. in the energy bill currently under debate. This GAO study provides another example of how high natural gas prices have dealt a tremendous blow to our economy, Tauzin said. The energy bill currently in conference will go a long way toward easing burdensome restrictions on exploration and development of these vital natural gas reserves. The GAO report itself doesn't make recommendations on how or whether to increase incentives for domestic natural gas drilling. -By Spencer Jakab, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-4377; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well... try organics?!?!: Imagine... fertilizer that is safe enough to eat (not that we recommend doing so)! Yes, ground soybeans have been found to be an effective turf fertilizer. In 2000, Michigan State University began conducting research on the effectiveness of ground soybean fertilizer as compared with chemical fertilizers. Their studies suggest that soybeans perform equal to or better than chemical fertilizers when appropriate amounts are used. During the grinding process, soybeans are ground into particles of varying sizes. These different particle sizes act as the slow-release mechanism- the larger the particle, the longer it takes to break down- and provide a slow and steady feeding to the lawn. The obvious advantage to using the soybean fertilizer is that it is completely organic, therefore, it is harmless to people, pets and other plant material. The Grounds department is particularly interested in this product, especially for use in areas like Family Housing and the child care facilities where large numbers of curious children are present. Another benefit of using of using an organic fertilizer is that each time it is applied, the soil is improved or amended. One more advantage is that the fertilizer is produced locally from soybeans grown on Southeastern Michigan farmland. While the cost of soybean fertilizer is roughly three times the cost of standard chemical fertilizer, the department is able to offset the cost by applying two large applications instead of four smaller applications of chemical fertilizer. Since the soybeans are organic material, they will not burn the grass unlike chemical fertilizers. The labor savings in making two applications instead of four comes close to offsetting the cost increase in the fertilizer. Phosphorous has been a long time pollutant of the Great Lakes and has become more prevalent due to improper use of lawn fertilizers. Since most existing soils in Southeastern Michigan already have adequate phosphorous, there isn't a need to apply additional phosphorous. Ground soybean fertilizers do not contain phosphorous; thus, they do not contribute to this pollution problem. Of course, before applying any fertilizer, we recommend conducting a soil test to determine which additives should be applied. The Grounds Department has
[biofuel] Re: Stop the crazy son of a Bush!
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith, I forgot to mention that God told me to do it is a very common explanation from the most famous serial killers in our history. LOL Hakan The God that told the liberals to start killing unborn? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save on Coral Calcium. Get Better Health and Stronger Bones. Seen on TV http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid-2805lp=calcium2.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/9gf46B/EfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol from bread waste?
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, benjinsl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Wondering if anyone can give advice on protocol for making ethanol from bread (planning to get waste from local bakeries). I imagine I treat it like any other starch and need to add some amount of malt. Ben 14grams or sugar should make 7 grams of ethanol, what else is in it, should all be good feed, the left overs. Or feed all the sweets to pigs, get 5 pounds of pork for every 25 pounds of twinkies. Collect the methane and heat your house. A pig eating that much sugar would get pretty fat, you could get 10 gallons of fuel out of every pig. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Oil Imports
http://www.energy.gov/dataandprices/sub/supply_consumption.html the data is a few clicks down, under imports-exports petr. but the whole page has some good links Can someone please tell me where I can find a breakdown of US oil imports by percentage? Thank you, Dave Lusher Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Biofuel business in developing countries is published
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After Darryl and Keith helped me with language, as foreigner I try to make it as good as possible, but I am really grateful and in need of help. Levent, Mauro and others came with very good comments and as it is a web publication, I am open for other valuable suggestion and changes. http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml I would like to see your diatribute start with something like: Biofuels are usable in almost all current critical needs for agriculture, food processing, industry, housing, transport, water supplies, waste management, electricity and heating. Biofuels has low startup costs and are scalable. Biofuels are local economy solutions and therefore not sensitive to world market prices, trade balances and international pricing. Biofuels will follow the relative and local models for food and labor costs. Development of a sustainable agriculture and growing energy will help each other and provide for sustainability and security. Biofuels are cost-efficient, ready for use technologies that, together with energy saving, solar energy and electricity from wind generators, can give rapid relief to the mounting energy problem and the power to get out of the poverty trap. Biofuels provides for very large reduction in pollution. The pollution for fossil fuels or wood burning are significant today and biofuels will provide for rapid improvements. If a solution can be simple and implemented by many small producers with profits and employment opportunities, it is almost a crime against humanity not to do it as fast as possible in developing countries. intstead of the viewpoints about North America, Maybe someone is looking for the positive side of biofuels and already knows why they want to use them. Instead of your opinions and such. Put that all in another link and add other US bashing and that way you could check which links get more hits. Or else change the title as it sure doesn't start out about developing countries. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get a FREE REFINANCE QUOTE - click here! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2CXtTB/ca0FAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propagate.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myles Twete wrote: Maybe some day they'll ban nettles, hops and flax because they're just too closely related to evil weeds. Don't give them any ideas. The Religious Right is always looking for new things to prohibit. AP -- Acshually dude, The religious Right never made an statement about it. Tis the liberal LEO's law enforcement officers and prosecuting attorneys. Tis wasn't the farmers, eh!! The law can't allow hemp as they thought it would affect their drug sniffing dogs. They just never trained 'em If they got 50% of the 20% that smoked dope to switch to dope-light, thc free replacement, ala O'Dools etc. It would be an economic inducing PR campaign, too, no? Why no roll your own campaign? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: OT: Bleach Alternatives
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clothing/Fabric Stains - Ink: Tough to get out. Try: 1. saturating stain with milk; 2. sponge stain with alcohol; or 3. apply cream of tartar and lemon juice paste. Set for 1 hr. - Lipstick: Rub with cold cream or short ning to dissolve color; rinse area with solution of washing soda and warm water to remove grease; wash in soapy water. A couple of weeks ago, while doing laundry, I opened up the dryer and found all the clothes and the inside of the dryer coated in a multitude of colors. A box of crayons had made the trip through the wash and disintigrated in the heat of the dryer. I tried using regular liquid detergent on a rag to remove the crayon stains and got almost nowhere with a lot of vigorous scrubbing. Well, I saturated a cloth with some homebrew biodiesel and started on the stains, with very little scrubbing, all the crayon was easily removed in seconds. totally took everything that was stained off the dryer drum, in seconds, no work at all!!! So, I sat down with a toothbrush and bowl od BD and started in on the 8 pair of khakis, the scrubbing starting freeing up the chunks of crayon imbedded in the material, it didn't take it totally out but seemed to break it up greatly. After the pants were all scrubbed and saturated with BD, I put back into the wash on hot with normal liquid detergent and everything came out perfectly clean after the first wash, really impressive!! So I had a shirt with a deep ink stain in the pocket, poured some BD in the pocket and scrubbed with a toothbrush, went through a normal wash and the ink stain was gone in one wash, again, impressive! I do have one pair of white khakis that I haven't attempted to clean yet. I'm trying to force my son to wear them to school as an attempt to teach him a lesson about checking his pockets before washing the clothes. What I want to do is just soak them in BD and see if that would work instead of all the toothbrushing that was involved in cleaning his other clothes. Anyway, sometimes it pays to look outside the box, in this case, the detergent box. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: double cropping, debugging
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large leaves. It is useful for controlling nematode. Seems with GModification, all the mustard plants could do this. I travelled throughout Ontario because I heard canola was being grown all over Canada. I never did find any rape, just lots of tobacco,corn and soy. I talked w/ a few people and they all said it was to hot for canola. They planted alot of spelts. They said all the elavators would buy them and they were great because they made a flour that people with allergies to wheat could eat. One of the problems the canola industry is having, besides two years of drought, is the crushing industry is leaving and it costs so much to ship by train. I just read a report that some are getting a $.75 a bushel premium by putting it in a container so they could track where the beans came from and to ensure that they wouldn't be mixed with other seeds. That, in effect would increase shipping businesses and competition that would bring down costs, meaning we would be able to price oils all over the world at the same price, another way to eliminate all those nasty subsidizeies! sp Huh, a benefit to the world, or an increased capitilistic threat. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: About to use some Rapeseed..!
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Here's an easy question for ya. I just bought 3 litres of pure Rapseed oil form my local supermarket (@0.66usd/ltr). I have about ¹ tank of dino Diesel in the tank (1998 VW Caddy van).is it going to be safe to pour the oil straight into the tank (mixing it with the Diesel) or am I about to do something really really stupid? ;) Nick No!!, but I'm coming from here!:: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story2u=/030312/161/3hrzx.htmle=6 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] How much is oil going to cost?
Multinationals Archer Daniels Midland Co. (NYSE:ADM - News), Bunge Ltd (NYSE:BG - News) and Cargill (News - Websites)Inc. are playing an increasingly dominant role in world vegetable oil markets, together controlling more than 45 percent of world oilseed crushing capacity, Reca said. In Brazil and Argentina, the three companies control more than half the soybean crushing capacity, and they are moving into Chinese crushing ventures, he said. The companies also dominate the Canadian canola crushing industry. Soybean production costs in Brazil and Argentina are 25 to 37 percent less than in the United States, Reca added. This year, Reca said Brazil and Argentina will increase soybean production by 16 percent and 14 percent respectively. Total production from Latin America will exceed U.S production for the first time. Like biofuel becoming cost competitive with traditional fuels, if the prices of virgin oils can be manipulated, people will see how much it cost to grow the oil and big oil is going to force people into a regional economy sooner than later. With the way they're pulling out of the US and Canada, I wonder where the inovation is going to come from? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] double cropping
In order to increase crop output, two crops can be grown in areas that have a long enough growing season. I recently read about Indiana lower two thirds being able to grow winter wheat and a crop of sunflowers. It would be a great way to use up nitrogen around CAFO's. I've heard of peas and rape, but have not heard about alot of double cropping. Do others know of more examples? Wouldn't hemp supply a use for fallow fields in the summer. Would they hold more water than what would evaporate? Seems like in a drought it would be the most able to produce usable mass. What is the growning seasons for hemp? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: DIY diesel hybrid http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=trailer+hitch+mounted
http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=trailer+hitch+mounted+carrier one in these 13k pages should hold the weight, w/o an axle -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very reluctant to ride in a vehicle pushed by a trailer. Could be more excitement than you crave if you encounter ice. I would make sure my power source used synchronous rectification. Diodes are very lossy and at high currents it is worth doing something about it. Date: 2/24/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Gifts to North Korea
As an US'er. I'm really ignorant of their customs or ways, but correct me if I might be wrong. The US has promised fuel and power in exchange for arms reductions. They stopped sending fuel and NK has a slight problem w/ that. So, what kind of statement would be made if the US went in and offered to build enough ethanol plants, small ones, containerized, to replace all the energy they had promised. And then to be able to do it for decades, a sustainable deal to promote sustainability through a friendship that could only grow. Also showing the gov't what empowering their own people can do to morale. In reality, it would only cost 1/20 of what would sending oil every year, would they feel shortchanged?? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Has anyone ever used sheeps wool for insulation?
By JASON STRAZIUSO, Associated Press Writer NOTTINGHAM, Pa. - If the black cattle at the Herr family farm seem eager at the trough, they have good reason. No mundane meal of corn and hay here. This feed is spiced with a snack food-lover's smorgasbord: potato chips, cheese curls and pretzels. Blessed bovine elsewhere in Pennsylvania get even sweeter treats: chocolate balls and Frosted Mini-Wheats. While cattle have been eating human food byproducts for years, more farmers this winter are filling the trough with snack food goodies, a money-saving solution to high corn prices caused by last summer's drought. Industry experts say that because feeding livestock discarded human food saves money and helps the environment, Bessie will be munching on potato chips more often in the future. It's a win-win situation, said Harold Harpster, a professor of animal science at Penn State University. It takes this food product out of the landfills and puts it into use feeding these livestock. In Hawaii some cattle get the leftovers from a pineapple processing plant. Kansas cattle feast on sunflower seed hulls. In Nebraska and California they eat sugar beet pulp. In Pennsylvania, cattle food is sometimes even more like people food. The Hershey's plant provides chocolate, a Kellogg's plant provides cereal and the Herr's snack food plant provides the chips. The discarded foods are fine nutritionally, farmers are quick to point out. Potatoes are the main ingredient for chips, wheat for pretzels. The reasons they're discarded vary: the chips are overcooked or the cereal too old. Often the cattle snacks are swept off the factory floor. Jim Herr bought his cattle farm 18 years ago primarily to have a place to discard snack food plant leftovers from his family's business. The thousands of gallons of water used to wash potatoes now hydrate the hay crop, for instance. The daily diet for his 650 cattle is heavily supplemented by the nearby snack food plant. The cattle eat 15 pounds of potato peelings, 15 pounds of corn, eight pounds of hay and four pounds of steer party mix ÷ chips, popcorn, pretzels and cheese curls. It's all mixed together in a blender the size of a large van. That mixture is nutritionally analyzed by a lab several times a year. Farm manager Dennis Byrne says he can tell how much his steer like it by how fast they get to the trough. There's a lot of science to how the cattle are going to be fed, but there's also an art. You have to create a blend the cattle will go after, Byrne said. They eat better than we do because we control their diet. They eat what they should eat. Most farm animals eat human food at some point in their lives, farmers say, although the practice is most common with cattle because of their tough digestive systems. Harpster and the farmers say the quality of the beef or milk isn't affected. Byrne notes the Herr cattle grade out in the top 8 percent of all beef as Certified Angus Beef. Livestock eating human food is most common in the east, where more food processing plants are located, Harpster said. He expects the practice to widen as food processors face increasing environmental pressures and farmers face increasing economic ones. Shelia Stannard, a spokeswoman for the American Angus Association, agrees. I'd say it's going to continue the upward trend, Stannard said. The cattle might as well eat something that we're not going to eat. Dwight Hess, a farmer near Marietta, feeds his cattle cereals from a local Kellogg's plant, and even chocolate and peanut butter ÷ sources of needed fats and protein. It's senseless, putting a very high quality human grade food product into a landfill, he said. We're producing a premium product and I'm proud of what we do. The Herr cattle get the steer party mix no matter what the corn prices are, but Byrne said during a year of high prices ÷ corn now costs about twice as much as in other years ÷ his farm enjoys a marketplace advantage. His competitors know it. Bryne said he's gotten a lot of calls this winter from other farmers wanting to buy excess party mix. They're calling at the right time ÷ his stocks are up from increased Super Bowl production. The party mix now sits in a pile 6 feet high and 30 feet deep in his barn. Stannard notes that farmers have always been good recyclers. She says using human food for livestock is just another way to conserve. This year's been especially tough on cattle farmers, so anything they can do to find a cheaper feed source, they're going to do, she said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Intro and question
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best, Jack Young www.jacksauctions.com 530.219.7900 (voice) 530.795.5536 (fax) Well, folks? Would we consider Jack's offer as SPAM? I have an idea there's a place for this, only I can't remember where it is. Didn't somebody post some such thing (me maybe)? Keith I would say it wasn't spam, it was directed directly at this list. The TDI's are holding the value and driving 2000 miles for a deal would not be uncommon. I don't think he would interrupt too much. But maybe you would prefer one to go to the maybe board?? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Instant death
Federal Opposition environment spokesman Kelvin Thomson said yesterday the CSIRO study, which he was first alerted to by Environment Australia last week, should act as a warning to proponents of ethanol-blended fuels. http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,5830370 %255E3102,00.html Green Green lima bean, eh? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: industrial livestock husbandry,apology to Hakan
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very sorry a typo, of course it should be Moose in American. I'm sorry for my reply. I cannot generalize, You do, not just you, but I took offence to the resent post about antibiotics,adrenaline and us forcing one to buy our meat. Don't buy it!, but I overreacted, partly because its true and I can't do anything about it. But your preaching to the choir. Some in the States are trying alternative growing methods, energy reduction measures and alternative fuels. And still get pasted as an greedy American. I should know better and I apologize, I just couldn't handle any US bashing at the time and I took it out on you. Sorry! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: industrial livestock husbandry
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are right. By the way, our elk is called mouse on your continent. I originally thought this was another one of your attempts to belittle Americans again or to paintbrush us all as greedy idiots, but you didn't expound on it, so it must just be a spelling mis-step, eh? We all know mouse is what you put on your head to keep the mohawk haircut standing tall. Surely everyone in your neck of the woods has a multitude of mouse choices in the bathroom cabinet, no? :-) If you're from the United States , there is no confusion between elk and moose. Moose are the bigger ones with the big flat antlers that are loners and eat water plants. Elk are just a tad smaller and have antlers that look like tree branches and they hang around in herds grazing. No problem. But the animal we call moose (Alces alces) in the U.S. is called an elk in Europe . And scientists refer to our elk (Cervus elaphus) as Wapiti (a native American term) to avoid confusion. So, if you are from Europe be sure to point at the animal you know as an elk and call it a moose. The important thing is that elk and moose know who they are. And they are rarely confused about the issue. Oh yea, the Texas mouse: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/nature/wild/mammals/dillo.htm viva Cherie Blair Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: WVO for SVO in BC
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone! I've been annoying my poor, long-suffering wife with endless forays into the realm of running SVO in a diesel powered vehicle. The ones who truly do pay the price. Bets your thankfull, eh? Ed said: PPO pure plant oil, your all set if in BC, but,,, Check the WallStreetJournal, corn .28, grease .16, about half what you state for brown, find a sheep plant!! Ed: what should one burn with oil to make it the most efficient? the oil industry shut down cause there is no ProfitMargin in the margin. figure out what a bushel of seed costs, compared to a bushel of feed and oil and tell all your friends, eh? soy .23, pork local: .25 Eat, drink and be merry, eh? All people that on earth do dwell, Sing to the Lord with cheerful voice, Him serve with mirth, His praise forth tell, Come ye before Him and rejoice. Know that the Lord is God indeed, Without our aid He did us make. We are His folk,He doth us feed And for His sheep, He doth us take. Oh, enter then His gatts with joy, Within His courts His praise proclaim. Let thankful songs your tongues employ, and bless and magnify His name. Because the Lord our God is good, His mercy is forever sure, His truth at all times firmly stood. And shall from age to age endure! Psalm 100 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Global Diesel Differences
Very informatative site, FULL of data, takes some time to read it all: http://www.energy.gov/world/index.html Hello All, I'm looking for a concise description of the differences between European (global if you know) and US diesel fuel (BTU, Sulphur content, refinement processes, etc), exhaust systems (Catalytic converters, emission controls, etc), as well as any other significant combustion and/or emissions differences. I'm trying to put together a complete but digestible description of global diesel usage as well as the reasons for it's notable lack of presence in the US. Thanks, Thom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Casual Observations
We added more free fatty acids to the oil and then added the caustic, explains Wan. Though the method doesn't seem logical, it worked. The oil was lighter in color than before, and all its existing free fatty acids as well as those that Wan had supplied were essentially removed. Can't copy the specific link but go to: http://www.agribiz.com/INTEGRO/Bionews/ and select the link /From Oil Refinement to Baby Formula/ They didn't happen to say anything about ratios/amounts! But something to think about, eh? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Sorry, found the link, wish I could edit
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[biofuel] Re: [renewable-energy] burning corn to heat houses
I don't have that kind of data of how much energy a corn kernel takes to make. Because of these factors, the energy used to grow corn is considerably less than the energy use reported by Pimentel who used dubious assumptions on irrigation and very outdated information on agricultural inputs and manufacturing efficiency for fertilizer and chemicals3. The USDA recently reported4 that the national average variable price paid for seed ($0.20), fertilizer ($0.30) and chemicals ($0.18), and fuels, lubes and electricity ($0.10) amounted to about 78 cents per bushel. Including contracted work such as harvesting and corn drying, repairs and hired labor results in a total variable cost of about $1.26 per bushel of harvested corn. According to Dr. Pimentel, the quantity of energy alone in a bushel of corn is equal to about 131,000 BTU. In 1996, the average prices paid on the farm for natural gas, LPG, electricity and diesel per MM BTU LHV were $6.00, $9.50, $8.80, and $5.80, or a typical rate of $7.50 resulting in a fuel cost per bushel on the order of $1.00; this result is totally inconsistent with the cost of production. http://www.ncga.com/research/pdfs/Energy_and_Oil_Consumption_in_Beef_P roduction.pdf Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Politics
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As distasteful as discussing politics is, I believe that we all better get involved or the only discussing we'll be doing is how to get off this planet. We are all victims of the propaganda machine and it breaks my heart to read that intelligent beings are so easily fooled by the steady diet of crap that the media feeds us. I sort of believe this. I saw a quote today that seemed along these lines: It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. -- Robert Kennedy We are probably going to get the result that we collectively all deserve, which is probably going to be a person like Mr. Hussein using WOMD against us. I've got a question. What would peoples feelings be towards SHussein stepping down, would not he be a far greater person in everyones eyes if did? What would USers want from their Honorable leader if he faced the same situation, wouldn't he be wanted to ceed power for the good of all? Thats the far greatest problem with most people, they don't know how to compromise(of themselves), and thats all politics is. And why did the NKoreans admit they had a nuke program, are they afraid of what they got and are begging for help? Would you not jump at the chance to jump in and say, We can help. Really, love flying around works better than bullets, peoople just need to learn how to smile when they talk. How much mollasses do you need to brew 15% corn beer? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Report: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel
Sorry, I was talking short term, I don't plan on the sky falling this year, but people will always have a corner restaraunt as only 10% can gradute high school and cook their own breakfast, there will be plenty of used oil for a long time, but you will prolly have to buy it. The problem with new oil is that is cost more than diesel now, might as well use it twice, I just can't find people that will use used in $75,000 tractors- and with the prices of feed and oil going to recent highs, watch what happens to the whosale price of beef, funny how they retreat but would you feed a cow for $.03 / day profit? or a loss? Retirement time, time to buy the farm !! -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm probably looking at this as a breakdown in the overall transportation system. When oil becomes too expensive or not available to the average guy, those millions of gallons of wvo are simply not going to be there for very long. Anyone with disposable income,(which I believe will be very few),will not be enough to keep those fast food establishments going. As for using virgin oils, I have no problem using whatever resources are available, but like k5farms, I'm not sure that that will be available either. The farmer will need fuel for his equipment and, you can bet the farm, for his personnal vehicles. The trucking industry will probably use the rest to transport what few goods will still be available. I'm all for conservation and better usage of resources, but it will take something extreme to actually implement them. --- k5farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the virgin oils will still be abundant. Ya sure? Really, ya might want to be buying some beans bout now! and a shame to only use the oil once, at least put a turkey fryer for a fuel tank in the bed of the truck and drive it into a truck stop and talk to some of the 3 million truck drivers about growing their own fuel. What is a good site to check out may soya futures, I heard it might be a good year to pay off an oil press, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Report: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the virgin oils will still be abundant. Ya sure? Really, ya might want to be buying some beans bout now! and a shame to only use the oil once, at least put a turkey fryer for a fuel tank in the bed of the truck and drive it into a truck stop and talk to some of the 3 million truck drivers about growing their own fuel. What is a good site to check out may soya futures, I heard it might be a good year to pay off an oil press, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: NYC Biofuel Questions
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], k5farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There doesn't seem to be much of an uproar amongst the millions of people that spend their days creating the potato+oil mix, where the concentrations would be more elavated than at the end of an exhaust pipe?? Hard to believe the temp ranges as most fries are cooked in the 350-440 range. Sorry, didn't see that Centigrade mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: a few questions for an Op Ed piece
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey folks. If you can answer this please reply, if you have the time. I am working on an Op Ed. piece for my local Gannet Rag. 1) Are their current estimates of how much biodiesel the US could produce if it invested in the infrastructure and agricultural land? Lets just say ethanol, US corn exports: http://www.ag- stats.com/corn/cornexport.pdf 50,000,000 metric tonnes = 1,964,285,714 bushels x 2.7 gallons per bushel 5,303,571,428 gallons of ethanol divided by 400(average gallons used by a car getting 30 MPG and driving 12k/yr = 13,258,928 cars fueled per year if made ethanol from EXPORTED corn 2) What percentage of curent fossil-diesel could be replaced with a major national push? a freind of mine questioned if we had enough land? is this a valid point? No, we currently (1997) farm @ 900,000,000 acres, about three acres per person, about the amount that it takes to feed a cow. Strive to replace 20 percent, thats a chore in itself. 3) Can WVO be refined to a high enough standard to justify its commerical harvesting and refining for either biodiesel or a crude heating oil? Yes and your gonna add 15% ethanol one way or the other, eh? 4) What, in your opinion, are the major obstacles to a biofuel- economy as distinguished from a fossil fuel economy Getting EVERYONE to realize that yes, they can be self sustainable, and getting someone to pay for the still, and to get up and realize that Hey, maybe making 5% on my investment ain't such a bad deal after all. WHen I finish the piece, I will offer it on this server for others to submit to their local press. thanks. dan rosen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: home heating
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], mother [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since posting this question, i've gotten some more feedback (from a very reputable source) this, because BD is more lika solvent, so little rubber washers'll eventually get eaten through ... but, as far as the furnace itself, oil you buy from the heating company is called #2 heating oil, which is just diesel feul with a different name (and different taxes... which is why you never *see* a farmer syphon heating oil outta his furnance into his tractor, but you know he does!)... so if you hava source of good BD (no hushpuppy chips) and are willing to keep an eye on rubber parts on your furnace pump for corrosion, you should be good - i'm gonna giveitatry this year, will report back Your reputable source sounds like an ignorant ass. Not sure what country your in but most any I know, the farmer would pay less tax on tractor fuel than home heating oil. Why would one run a tractor on heating oil? We actually buy taxed diesel to run in the tractors, that way we can use it to fuel the on-road trucks also and if we need to run the tractors on-road we could account for that too. The dye that they use to mark fuel as off-road stays in your injectors and other places they can test for a very long time, if one gets caught using dyed diesel in an on road vehicle the punishments really are severe. The taxes paid are mostly refunded at the end of the year. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel
-- This tax situation sounds nasty, but if Big Oil really does have to pay it, then I guess smaller folks may have to also? A recent post by someone planning to go into the biodiesel business seemed to indicate they didn't see the tax as that big of an impedement to success. Given the language that World Energy used, it sounded like they were trying to acknowled the iconoclastic nature of smaller producers and help them to see that they might be headed for disaster if they ignored this tax? MM Ummm, FYI!! http://news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story2cid=573ncid=757e=1u=/nm/20021009/od_nm/petrol_dc LONDON (Reuters) - A Welsh police team dubbed the Frying Squad has been formed to sniff out motorists who fuel their cars with cooking oil from fish and chip shops in a bid to avoid paying high government fuel taxes. Three Welsh motorists have already been caught and fined for using waste oil from restaurants selling Britain's favorite deep-fried dish, the Times newspaper reported Wednesday. I have halved my motoring costs since I started running my Subaru on cooking oil, the paper quoted one of those stopped as saying. The car runs just as well and even smells a lot better than diesel. The drivers were fined 500 pounds ($780) and warned that persistent offenders may face up to seven years in jail. How does one make WVO burn to smell like diesel fuel? There must be some type of additive, eh? Good reason not to run dedicated WVO and be able to switch back to derv when going through toll booths. Time to take the decals off the windows. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: seeking ideas for biodiesel-related outreach projects
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working with my local volunteer fire department to get them to buy a diesel for their next truck. This way, we could run the truck on biodiesel. In all honesty, this is the last place I would put my biodiesel. The manufacturer is not going to warranty BD and if by chance it never makes it to a fire, the fuel is going to be the first to be blamed. I would never want that kind of liability, let them be able to blame the local fuel station for that one.
[biofuel] Re: The yummy corn fails animal tests
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone tells you that GM is going to feed the world, Steve Smith, a director of the world's biggest biotechnology company, Novartis, insisted, tell them that it is not... To feed the world takes political and financial will -- it's not about production and distribution. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4054683,00.html Rare honesty indeed. Keith The same rotten bastiges that own Gerber, eh? Care to refute any misstatements yet? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: cold weather
A can of WD40 and a Zippo lighter, please use all the same precautions as making biodiesel!- -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never heard of such a thing, were did you get this info.? Greg H. - Original Message - From: John Venema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 15:48 Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather An other thing I recently discovered was a kind of flamethrower which will warm the airintake to the cylinder using diesel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: FW: The Great Power-Shortage Myth
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technically nothing was withhold from the grid and the peak demand crises was as real as it was. If you are a lawyer or an accountant, maybe you could believe it, WASHINGTON -- Shares of El Paso Corp. (NYSE:EP - News) sank Monday afternoon after a Federal Energy Regulatory Commission judge ruled the company withheld natural- gas pipeline capacity from California customers and should pay penalties. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/dowjones/20020923/bs_d owjones/200209231545000652 The capacity was there, technically. I don't need to be an expert to see that. All you saw was the almighty dollar at work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Jelled ethanol
The recipe for 20% calcium acetate calls for 95% ethanol, does it work with lower percentage ethanol? I haven't made any, but for a fuel I use 150 proof ethanol and use the same size sterno can and saturate lambs wool in the can with ethanol. Not sure exactly why it works but it does stabilize the flame and acts as a baffle to keep it from spilling over with rough handling. Might be of interest in places where calcium acetate is not available if your interested in it as a fuel for cooking out of a can. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] $82,000 annual ethanol investment save hospital 12 Million
By DANIEL Q. HANEY, AP Medical Editor SAN DIEGO - Soap and water may be all washed up. Many hospitals are switching to quick-drying alcohol gels to keep hands clean as evidence builds they stop dangerous germs faster and better. The spread of microbes in hospitals is a huge health problem, making sick people sicker and resulting in an estimated 20,000 deaths in the United States each year. One of the chief ways germs spread is on the hands of nurses, doctors, technicians and others who move from patient to patient. While hospital workers are routinely urged to wash up between patients, a thorough job can take a full minute, results in dry skin and is often skipped to save time, especially in hectic intensive care wards where the risk can be greatest. The latest research, presented Saturday at a meeting of the American Society for Microbiology, suggests the alcohol-based rinses are surprisingly effective at cutting hospital germs, since they are much quicker, require no water or sink and kill more microbes. You go up to a dispenser, go click! and it's there. The time saving is amazing. It's something people actually do use rather than walking by the sink, said Dr. Barbara Murray of the University of Texas at Houston. Over the past two years, some hospitals have installed alcohol gel dispensers beside every bed, and many more are planning to switch. New guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ( news - web sites), to be released later this fall, are expected to recommend hospitals use the alcohol gels exclusively except when workers hands are visibly soiled said nurse Elaine Larson, associate dean for research at Columbia University. No longer is the best way to clean your hands washing them. Can you imagine telling surgeons you no longer need to scrub? This is news, and it's very exciting. The alcohol rinses, available as foam, gel or lotion, are simple to use: Pour a dime-size blob on one palm, then rub the hands together until it dries, which takes about 15 seconds. The solutions also contain moisturizers, so they do not dry the skin. Identical products are available in grocery stores. One of the real barriers to hand hygiene is how busy health care workers are, said Dr. David Hooper of Massachusetts General Hospital. The ability to very rapidly kill bacteria on your hands is a great advantage. Researchers at the Veterans Administration Medical Center in Washington D.C. measured the effects of switching to the alcohol rinses two years ago.Dispensers were put in all patient rooms and outpatient clinics. New cases of drug-resistant staph infections decreased 21 percent, while resistant enterococcus dropped 43 percent. Both of these are serious, hospital-acquired infections. Among the first to study the gel's advantages was Dr. Didier Pittet of the University of Geneva Hospitals in Switzerland. Four years of use there cut hospital-spread infections in half. Some hospitals have been reluctant to adopt the new cleaners because they cost more than soap. However, a new analysis by Pittet suggests they actually save money because they reduce infections, which are expensive to treat. At his hospital, he found the gels cost an extra $1.62 for each patient admitted, or $82,000 per year. But between 1999 and 2001, they save more than $12 million in treatment costs. Many brands are available. The solutions contain between 60 percent and 90 percent alcohol and are thought to be equally effective in killing viruses and bacteria. They are also being tested in school bathrooms and child care centers, among other places. Larson said she does not recommend replacing ordinary soap in the home. However, the alcohol rubs could be helpful if people are traveling and cannot wash, have sick children or care for people with weakened immune systems. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2cid=541e=4u=/ap/200209 28/ap_on_he_me/clean_hands Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: A barrel of oil
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:53:50 -, you wrote: How much of a barrel of oil is made into gasoline, and how much into diesel? From those fractions how much gasoline diesel is created, i.e. is any lost in the process? We can't seem to get an answer to the question Christopher Skisak, Health and Medical Manager at Pennzoil-Quaker State in Houston, replies: The percentage of gasoline produced from one barrel of crude oil varies depending upon the crude type, the refinery design and processing conditions. This ranges from 20 percent to as much as 75 percent. A typical fuel refinery will obtain 19 gallons of gasoline from each 42 gallon barrel of crude. The amount of other products obtained from crude oil depends on the same factors. In addition to gasoline, crude petroleum is used to make petroleum gases (methane, propane), solvents (naphtha, toluene, etc.), fuel oils (diesel, home heating oil), lubricating oils (motor oil), specialty lubricating oils (baby oil), petrolatums (Vaseline), waxes (candle wax), asphalt (road paving). Everything in a barrel of oil is used; nothing goes to waste. http://www.pennzoil-quakerstate.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Wired 10.04 Must Read
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Melis sees widespread applications for his method. This is low tech, he says. It won't require fancy equipment or industrial facilities. A farmer could do it. Ya think??? Why, does it require losing money on something? Why not let truck drivers do it? or retirees?, they're the ones with all the free time. Let Ted Turner flood all his land, he could name it West Nile Farms :) At the moment, Melis' method won't cut it in the marketplace. No, at the moment a farmer can take that one acre of land, grow 150 bushels of corn, make a 50 dollar still and turn it into 405 gallons of ethanol. Thats enough to drive your car for 12,000 miles, keep 5 gallons for relaxation, enough corn oil to fry your thanksgiving turkey and still have enough feed left over to raise a couple of pigs and be able to return the corn stover back into the ground to enrich the land. When he can cut his electricity costs down in half to .15, he might have a market in California, doesn't sound like a competitive thing yet to me? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Global warming b.s.
Keith Addison I am at the point where I would almost welcome some fairly extreme evidence of worldwide global warming effects just to end the debate. I have simply had it with some of the folks who say that their goal is to remain scientifically objective, but whose real goal is to confuse all debate on the matter. Sadly, I believe your there: It is hard to look at the big picture, albeit an embarassment as a westerner, this is one case where I think you really are damn'd if ya I sometimes feel as if I'm in a very small majority when I feel Kyoto didn't go far enough and the only reason it didn't is they didn't want the USA to not go along w/ it, eh? 'tis humbling to live here and to think that there is a chance that we're wrong. But if we're not, who's gonna capital eyes on it?, the United states 'n Canada, so the only problem lies, as long as we don't pay for it, they can't condemn us. We just do it and maybe we'll get another Statue of Libery or somethin'. When is the Black Forest gonna burn because no one owned it? No one takes care of their own stuff, they xpect others to do it and pay for it, as soon as their congressman tells 'em to or they can make more than 20%, sheeze! People can read all they want about oil running out and deny it for the next hundred years but still not understand what would happen if they left all that God forsaken dino entrails in the ground for another couple of million years. I've been engrained that the Earth being alive is all that new age stuff and because its an religion I should dismiss it, but maybe thats not the part of their dogma I should be dismissing, it just seams that it was the easiest, eh? But please explain, all of the wrath the world has given to us, which parts are true? And no, I still won't listen to some scientist from Queensland, the one that hasn't taken advantage of this whole ordeal for the last 98.7 years, but, this internet has maken alot of people bigger than what they think they are, but, the effluence of ETOH sure can make someone forget what they where thinkin' about. And what if we're wrong, from my perspective, we'ev created more jobs than the TVA taking over every county in the States and the stupid dinosoil remains in Russia and TX and 240 degrees of Canada and we can still enjoy a midnight fire and a malted milk. Sorry all, its just a very trying moment learning that the world doesn't revolve around me, and that it depends on me to be the one that pushes out a hand to keep 'er spinnin', where are me friends now? Why isn't the Creator part of alot of the discussion?? Is he not the same worldwide? and what really matters if his name is Ted, would he keep it in the ground? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Continuous process- hunch
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shukrainternationals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where can I find info. on continuous process of BD and its advantages over the batch process? - Original Message - From: Shukrainternationals To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Spray Weeds With Vinegar? Where can I find info. on continuous process of BD and its advantages over the batch process? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Spray Weeds With Vinegar? An especially exciting recent development is the finding that there are important cholesterol-lowering agents, known as stanol esters, in an oil fraction associated with the corn fiber produced by the quick fiber process. These are the same ingredients that give the special new spreads, e.g., benecol, their cholesterol-lowering capabilities. Currently one of these ingredients in the special margarine products comes from soy and the other from wood pulp. Both exist in corn fiber oil in about equal proportions. The effects of these two appear to be additive, so it is an advantage to have both ingredients in the same product. These ingredients are worth about $10 per pound and each bushel of corn has about 0.3 pounds. Thus these ingredients alone are worth about $3 per bushel, even though they make up a small fraction of each bushel of corn. University of Illinois scientists pioneered important changes in the ethanol fermentation process. Through the 1980s and 1990s, Professor Munir Cheryan and colleagues developed and perfected continuous membrane bioreactors (CMB) for ethanol production. This continuous fermentation approach offers many advantages over batch processes. Throughput is much faster, ethanol yields are higher, down time is greatly reduced, purification and concentration are simplified, equipment is much smaller for a given output, less floorspace is required, capital costs are reduced, yeast costs are reduced, systems are modular for greater flexibility, and by-product and waste management are greatly simplified. I know, off topic, but why do we grow corn, stead of 5 yr old, 50$ ton willow or poplar, willow can't keep up, only hemp or Konola has a chance. Searching the archives, I found this guy with a post to a continuous reactor, but, put the mixture through a three shake tube from Alfa-laval, static in tube mixers from the dairy or ice cream bis,can charge your customers for methanol many times over, eh? Sorry, the problems with stateside biofuels is they think they can create biofuels at 50 dollars a ton willow, we ain't haulin' it! you haul it for that we got a problem with $20.00 ton corn silage, why not make beef, eh, you really think you can double a farmers wages? Nope, been dealin' with pennies per acre profits to long, its time to create their own dynergy, but the problem lies, just as it lies in the independant trucker, no one will ever agree about what kinda bottled water is better, and the whole thing goes down the tubes with no one wanting to be part of a team, we're left with ADM and even if they didn't want it, they get the blame, cause there ain't any teamwork, none. I do think there was one post in the biofuels library with Cheryan and a continuous proc, univ Illinois, in Ohio, some corn growin country, some serious corn growin country, eh! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of biodiesel under a given amount won't have to conduct Health Affects studies any more than small volume dino-diesel producers do today. Were can I find more info on this small volume dino-diesel exemption? Greg H. I've been looking at www.epa.gov searching the federal registry for biodiesel, haven't found any loopholes yet Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fuel and Fuel additives registration
The F/FA registration program is authorized by section 211 of the Clean Air Act (CAA) and codified in 40 CFR part 79. In accordance with CAA sections 211(a) and (b)(1), basic registration requirements applicable to gasoline and diesel fuels and their additives were issued in 1975. These regulations require manufacturers to submit information on their F/FA products, such as the commercial identity, chemical composition, purpose-in-use, and range of concentration, in order to have such products registered by the EPA. Additional registration requirements, implementing sections 211(b)(2) and (e), were proposed in April 1992 and http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/1997/March/Day-17/a6023.htm http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/index.html to search cfr Part 79, registration: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_40/40cfr79_00.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Question about Refining Crude to Diesel
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Todd: do you happen to know the numbers somewhat more exactly? The gist of the claim was that the ratio is roughly 2 to 1, and also it was claimed that this is not very flexible within how our refiners have set up their system, so while they may make some changes in what comes out of a barrel, those changes are not dramatic. Christopher Skisak, Health and Medical Manager at Pennzoil-Quaker State in Houston, replies: The percentage of gasoline produced from one barrel of crude oil varies depending upon the crude type, the refinery design and processing conditions. This ranges from 20 percent to as much as 75 percent. A typical fuel refinery will obtain 19 gallons of gasoline from each 42 gallon barrel of crude. The amount of other products obtained from crude oil depends on the same factors. In addition to gasoline, crude petroleum is used to make petroleum gases (methane, propane), solvents (naphtha, toluene, etc.), fuel oils (diesel, home heating oil), lubricating oils (motor oil), specialty lubricating oils (baby oil), petrolatums (Vaseline), waxes (candle wax), asphalt (road paving). Everything in a barrel of oil is used; nothing goes to waste. http://www.pennzoil-quakerstate.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Take the Yahoo! Groups survey for a chance to win $1,000. Your opinion is very important to us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NOFBfD/uAJEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hey Steve, can ya wait a year?
FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) - German automaker BMW has signed an agreement with Toyota Motor Corp. (news - web sites) under which the Japanese firm will supply diesel engines for BMW's new-look Mini starting next year, a spokesman said Monday. The agreement, signed on Friday, provides for the supply of between 10,000 and 20,000 engines per year, BMW spokesman Michael Rebstock said, confirming a report in the Financial Times. He declined to give financial details of the deal. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re Re: [biofuel] heating a home.
Use a simple diesel genset a 4500w uses 4 gallons a day, pump all the heat to the basement, keep the hot water tank over 100, 75 on second floor and @ 60-65 on the third floor, enough excess power to keep three of your neighbors happs too, eh? Hope one has a hot tub, I hate using raw veg oil with out recycling it first, at least run it through a hot tub for a couple weeks, invite the Budwieser twins over what you can do, mix the VO with the 9% ethanol and instead of feeding injection pump back to the tank, have a premixed and warmed tank for the start of the biodiesel process, eh --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would the problem become easier if you put the burner outside the house? Perhaps use a Babington burner to heat water for a tank vented to atmosphere, heat exchanger to draw heat from the tank, secondary loop of the exchanger tapped into the boiler of the house furnace. Alternatively, a fan/coil unit. Glenn Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: New upload,lengthy personal observations
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , and people like Pimental pontificate on energy inputs to ethanol and reckon they make some sense. And we've all been persuaded that animal fats are bad for us. BS. No, not out of date. That last aspect of the book goes well with this: http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Famish/famworldToC.html This Famishing World Regards Keith I went to answer the previous post about using cattails vs. corn for ethanol production, searching the web for details of co-products and invairiably Dr Pimentals statistics came up. I've debated with myself on bringing him up and you did it for me. Here's what I want to believe. Pimental tried to go outside the box and get a more complete picture of all the inputs and outputs, better science so to speak, He included btu's for the creation of even tractor parts, etc.. He tried to look at the bigger picture. But, from what I understand, he missed the whole picture and neglected other outputs of ethanol production and the benefit of ethanol for the future, something that we cannot even measure. It is hard to measure, science has tried to measure BTU's,Energy content, Market value, Replacement value and output weight values, etc.. but none will be able to prove the whole picture! Now forgive me if I'm wrong, but I never saw Pimental pontificate, but certainly others used his science to do just that, much to the detriment of ethanol, and the flawed science made its way into ethanol history and thats why I understand your objections about TFP et al. What Pimental taught me is that yes, one needs to look at the bigger picture and to keep ones eyes open for things that might have been missed or new science that hasn't proven yet. I hope we might all learn from this. And it brought out others with more advanced science who certainly learned from his shortcomings. There is no one size fits all for ethanol or biofuels. New tools are needed and new ideas, plus what we've learned from history should be applied to how we react in the future, but alas, mankind has really showed his shortcomings along with his resistance to change, eh? Thank you for JTF, it has allowed me to open my eyes and attempt to see a larger picture, and it keeps getting better! I got a chance to read the last couple of chapters of the newest installment and saw: The father who loves only his own children, disregarding the children of his neighbour, may, in the narrowness of his interests, permit a condition to develop among his neighbor's children that will some day react upon his own to their destruction. And this was right after the War to end all Wars?? How humbling. Heres another link for you: http://www.napa.ufl.edu/2002news/bahiagrass.htm not to disrespect the quoted, but: The United States is not the only nation investigating sod-based rotation, said Wayne Reeves, lead scientist of conservation systems research at the USDA Agricultural Research Service's Soil Dynamics Laboratory in Auburn. Many of our major agricultural competitors, such as Chile, Argentina and Brazil, are heavily researching sustainable agriculture using grasses, said Reeves, an affiliate professor with Auburn University's agronomy and soils department. So there is some urgency on our part, trying to get this system up and running before the other guy does. Before I met JTF, this would not have raised my brow, now I ponder if I am in a race and just who is my opponent. As an American, again, very humbling! I urge all to strive to look for a bigger picture, whether contemplating Jerimiah 33:3, studying www.journeytoforever.org or at least a simple Good day to your neighbor. To idly sit by and do nothing seems such a waste. We are in a race, the human race, and we're all in it togather and I really don't feel like having bad science telling me that its not worth it or that I've already crossed the finish line. God Speed, Keep throwing on more fuel Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Is it now time to talk to your congressman?? again
Dayton thinks America is ready for a biofuels boom, since the bill also contains his idea for a new biodiesel tax credit of up to $1 a gallon. The alternative is to do nothing, to make no change, Dayton said. http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/local/3131380.htm or simply tax imported crude, I gotta agree with Todd an his pray for acid drought,$3.50 fuel, I'll take 2.00 fuel, it would no doubt do more for biofuels faster than any legislative attempt to increase production, its all in the consumers pocketbook WASHINGTON ÷ Pro-ethanol forces have won every battle in Congress this spring, but with each victory, opposition to the corn-based fuel grows more fierce. Lawmakers from mega-states like California, New York and Texas are furious that Midwestern legislators are forcing them to use a fuel their states don't produce, don't like and don't want. First the government subsidizes ethanol, and then mandates that everybody use it, fumed Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., during a debate Tuesday. That sounds more like something out of the Soviet Union than out of the United States of America. Today, the U.S. Senate is expected to pass an energy bill that enthusiastically promotes ethanol. The bill requires tripling the amount of ethanol used nationally and includes Minnesota Sen. Mark Dayton's proposal requiring most federal vehicles to use ethanol blends. Like Midwestern senators from both parties, Dayton, a Democrat, thinks it's good policy to promote homegrown energy, so the money will stay in the country rather than going abroad · (and will) help the environment and boost the prices for corn. Minnesota is the nation's fourth-largest ethanol-producing state, so the bill would be a bonanza for the state's booming ethanol industry. Minnesota's second senator, Paul Wellstone, also a Democrat, called it a win-win-win: for the environment, for Minnesota farmers and for energy independence. But outside the Corn Belt, the debate has critics complaining anew about the tax breaks, import restrictions and federal mandates that prop up the industry. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., noted that ethanol already gets a 53- cent-a-gallon tax break and enjoys a protective tariff to block foreign imports. She calls it greedy to add new requirements to triple ethanol use in 10 years and push ethanol-only policies to clean the air. This is a massive transfer of wealth out of some states, into other states, she complained. Ninety-eight percent of ethanol comes from the Midwest. Feinstein and other critics couldn't persuade the U.S. Senate, where each state has two senators. But the odds are different in the U.S. House, where California has 52 votes vs. Minnesota's eight and Iowa's five. When the energy bill next goes to a House-Senate conference committee, how will Midwesterners prevail? We'll have to use our wonderful power of persuasion, said Dayton. Eleven percent of the gasoline consumed in the entire United States is consumed in California, he said. If anyone has a stake in shifting reliance from large imported foreign oil ÷ and therefore gasoline ÷ to U.S.-based alternatives, it would be California. They are even more vulnerable to supply disruption and price spikes than anyone else in the country. The Midwest will get help from President Bush. On Wednesday, he toured a South Dakota ethanol plant and said the fuel is good for our air, it's good for our economy and it's good for our national security. During the Senate debate, Schumer warned that the ethanol provisions would send gasoline prices soaring, prompting an outcry in the nation and causing senators to ask sheepishly, How the heck did this thing pass? Not so, Dayton said. He cited Minnesota's ethanol experience, where dire predictions of high prices and shortages did not occur. Dayton thinks America is ready for a biofuels boom, since the bill also contains his idea for a new biodiesel tax credit of up to $1 a gallon. The alternative is to do nothing, to make no change, Dayton said Why are there no ethanol plants in NY,CA? does nothing grow in these states Do they not have ports to import cheap corn to make ETOH? Does California produce all their own dino-fuel, or did they support building a pipeline down from Alaska. I think there ought to be an added tax on any Ethanol shipped out of a state else the people that paid for these plants are not going to realize the cost savings of local production. Why doesn't CA have enough ethanol plants, the Federal Gov't has been begging and paying for them for a while and its only getting better. Come on Coasties put on your thinking caps and figure out ways to make ethanol and biodiesel and get with the program. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM
[biofuel] Re: Acrylamides, medium-risk carcinogens, found in some fried high-carb foods
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/nm/20020424/hl_nm/cancer_bread_1 I wonder if biodiesels made from used grease from such substances would have an out if the acrylamide might not be as harmful unless ingested orally? or is it like smokin' dope or putting it in a brownie? Just by chance, I'd not be caught sucking on a biodiesel exhaust. Sorry, what else can you compare it to? we don't eat cigarettes, eh? and diesel fumes are adictive too Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Acrylamides, medium-risk carcinogens, found in some fried high-carb foods
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damper. I think in the end, the Biodiesel effort will be ok, but it can't hurt to follow the precautionary principle and look into the matter. I think biodiesel or SVO will still come ahead of MTBE,lead,sulphur,benzene etc. Prolly the quickest test would be runnin' an exhaust through a fish tank and with the short half-life set up another tank with the exhaust fumes injected after 8 or 12 hours, maybe theres no harm at all and the only thing changing will be the packaging industry to allow the acro to breathe out of the bag, maybe a vegetable oil based chip bag and a great deal on day old fries.I know a couple of people that have been eating chips for decades, so I really don't fear the problem to much. But I'll bet it keeps the gene mapping people busy for a while, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Like hemp and linseed, are more oils going to be the drying up kind?
I wouldn't have believed it if Todd had not brought it up before By Peter Starck STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Basic foods eaten by millions around the world such as bread, biscuits, potato chips and french fries contain alarmingly high quantities of acrylamide, a substance believed to cause cancer, Swedish scientists said on Wednesday. The research carried out at Stockholm University in cooperation with experts at Sweden's National Food Administration, a government food safety agency, showed that heating of carbohydrate-rich foods, such as potatoes, rice or cereals formed acrylamide, a much studied substance classified as a probable human carcinogen. The research was deemed so important that the scientists decided on the unusual step of going public with their findings before the research had been officially published in an academic journal. I have been in this field for 30 years and I have never seen anything like this before, said Leif Busk, head of the food administration's research department. Findings unveiled at a news conference called by the food administration showed that an ordinary bag of potato chips may contain up to 500 times more of the substance than the top level allowed in drinking water by the World Health Organization (news - web sites). French fries sold at Swedish franchises of U.S. fast-food chains Burger King Corp and McDonald's contained about 100 times the one microgram per liter maximum permitted by the WHO for drinking water, the study showed. One milligram, or 0.001 grams, contains 1,000 micrograms. KNOWN HAZARD The Environmental Protection Agency (news - web sites) classifies acrylamide, a colorless, crystalline solid, as a medium hazard probable human carcinogen. According to the International Agency for Research on Cancer, acrylamide induces gene mutations and has been found in animal tests to cause benign and malignant stomach tumors. It is also known to cause damage to the central and peripheral nervous system. The discovery that acrylamide is formed during the preparation of food, and at high levels, is new knowledge. It may now be possible to explain some of the cases of cancer caused by food, Busk said. Fried, oven-baked and deep-fried potato and cereal products may contain high levels of acrylamide, the administration said. Acrylamide is formed during the preparation of food and occurs in many foodstuffs...Many of the analyzed foodstuffs are consumed in large quantities, e.g. potato crisps, french fries, fried potatoes, biscuits and bread. Among products analyzed in the study were potato chips made by Finnish company CHIPS ABP, whose shares fell 14.5 percent to six- month lows, as well as breakfast cereals made by U.S. Kellogg, Quaker Oats Co, part of PepsiCo Inc, and Swiss Nestle, and Old El Paso brand tortilla chips. For us, these are completely new findings which have never before been known to the world's foodstuffs industry, CHIPS ABP said in a statement to the Helsinki stock exchange. Stefan Eriksson, marketing manager Burger King's subsidiary in Sweden, told Reuters by telephone: We have received the information and we are evaluating what it will mean. Spokesmen for the other companies mentioned in the research were not immediately available for comment. NO PRODUCTS WITHDRAWN Margareta Tornqvist, an associate professor at Stockholm University's department of environmental chemistry, said the consumption of a single potato crisp could take acrylamide intake up to the WHO maximum for drinking water. Busk said, however, that the product analysis based on more than 100 random samples was not extensive enough for the administration to recommend the withdrawal of any products from supermarket shelves. Frying at high temperatures or for a long time should be avoided, Busk said, adding: Our advice to eat less fat-rich products such as french fries and crisps, remains valid. He said the findings applied worldwide, not only to Sweden, as the food raw materials used in the analyzes had showed no traces of acrylamide. Swedish authorities had informed the European Commission (news - web sites) and EU member countries, Busk said. It is the first time we have come across such a result. We will evaluate this study and look at it but it is important to say that Sweden has not withdrawn any products from the market, said European Commission spokeswoman Beate Gminder. Therefore we'll have to see what the scientific evaluation by our side and by scientists in the member states will bring about, she said. Liliane Abramsson-Zetterberg, a toxicologist at the Swedish food administration, said: The cancer risk from acrylamide is much higher than (the levels) we accept for known carcinogens. But smoking, which is known to cause cancer, remained a bigger risk, she said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums.
[biofuel] Really, how do you discard of the acrolein?
maybe make ethyl esthers and remove the acro, sell it as premium fryer grease to someone that already pays two dollars a gallon to use in their fryer, collect the used oil and you could simple chill it in a bulk tank and remove the frigid frozen free fatty acids and have your biodiesel premade, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Set me straight, eh
The layer between the biodiesel and the glycerine is an herbicide/ the mustard seed squeezin's are a pesticide and it should be safer than: This rigorous scientific study reinforces what we and other scientists have been saying for years -- atrazine is a dangerous pesticide, the council's Jennifer Sass said. It's no surprise that it's been banned by many European countries. She said the study had implications for humans, especially children who have not reached puberty http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/nm/20020415/sc_nm/environment_frogs_dc_1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] How was your weekend?
Sewage truck contents explode By Craig Page Inner city traffic was showered with effluent and hydrogen peroxide after the back end of a septic tank vacuum truck exploded in Dunedin yesterday. The explosion, which could heard and felt several blocks away, blew out a window at the nearby Leviathan Hotel and sent a metal sluice valve flying about 15m into the windscreen of a parked car. No-one was hurt. A 50m trail of effluent was visible along Cumberland St, State Highway 1. The buckled rear cover of the tank was also lying in the middle of the road. The incident caused major delays for southbound motorists, Senior Sergeant Allan Grindell said. The one-way system south was closed for almost three hours, forcing peak-hour traffic to be diverted through the heavy traffic bypass on Thomas Burns St. Some bus services were also delayed or cancelled. Police said the cause of the explosion was under investigation. Toilet jokes were flowing thick and fast among the dozens of people who rushed to the area to see what the commotion was all about. The incident occurred about 3.20pm as the Dakins liquid waste truck travelled south past the Leviathan Hotel. The vehicle had been at the RF Woolscour near Logan Park cleaning out a sump and was understood to be returning to the company's Green island depot when the accident occurred. The back end of the truck, which can be removed for cleaning purposes, blew out, covering several parked cars and the four-wheel- drive vehicle travelling behind it in sludge. The truck's driver, Joe Callahan, was visibly shaken by the incident and at a loss to explain why it occurred. There must have been a build-up of gas or something, he said. He confirmed the truck contained a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and sludge. There was just this loud boom. It threw the truck across the road. I had trouble keeping it straight. The truck travelled for about 50m before he was able to stop it. Mr Callahan, who has worked for Dakins for nine years, said he could not repeat his words when he realised what had actually happened. My main concern was to see if anyone was injured. Luckily, no-one was. Parry Thomas was travelling directly behind the truck when the explosion occurred. You could see steam start to come from the side of the truck and then, boom. The back end door of the truck was thrown metres into the air. Mr Thomas' slammed on the brakes as effluent covered his vehicle.I had no idea what was going on. It all just happened so quickly. I thought I was going to end up with a car crashing into my backside. Mr Thomas said his vehicle was not seriously damaged, although it was now overdue for a decent clean. Perhaps I might get that new paint job done now, he said. Both Mr Callahan and Mr Thomas were treated by ambulance staff as a precaution. Former Channel 9 head of production Lorraine Isaacs was one of the unlucky ones in the accident, her car being hit by a flying sluice valve. The valve left a dent in the roof of the car before smashing the windscreen. I just thought how lucky it was I wasn't in it at the time, she said. The incident caused a traffic backlog for rush-hour traffic as Cumberland St was cordoned off between lower Stuart St and Queens Gardens. Southbound vehicles were diverted through the heavy traffic bypass through Thomas Burns St. Three lanes of the road reopened about 5.15pm and the remaining lane reopened about 6pm. The Dunedin hazardous substances committee was called out to determine the best way to clean up the spill. Dunedin chief fire officer Dave Seque said that, once firefighters were given the all clear by Otago Regional Council and Dunedin City Council staff, the sludge was washed off the road into the storm water system. Because of the heat of the road some of the sludge, which was not deemed to be toxic, had already evaporated, he said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Novice
Columbus Foods: Service, Quality, and Dependability You Can Count On. tel: (800) 322-6457 or (773) 265-6500 fax: (773) 265 6985 http://www.columbusfoods.net/ A commercial operation, I'm not sure if they give tours or need any help, its a free call though, eh? Are there any persons in the Chicagoland area that are currently making biodiesel? As there are multiple processes, I would like to see the operation performed and perhaps help out a bit till I understand the process more completely. Thank you, MJ Frieders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Does anyone know of studies completed on running VO in a diesel
The only one I can find is the one that talks about the elevated copper in oil analaysis. Does anyone know of long term usage reports or anyone trying to to run continuous for power generation? where was the reports of 10% etoh additive for decreasing oil contamination? What companies might be doing any testing with VO? Thanx, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Methanol from biomass
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We did reform biogas (mainly CH4) to CO and H2 therefor we had no sulfur. A gasification of wood supplies CO and H2 and may be some sulfur (H2S). But I got no idea about the the tolerable concentrations for Methanol Catalysts. In biogas which originates from liquid manure is a lot of sulfur, wood doesn't contain that much. N2 is more a problem regarding the generation of NH3 (I think this is negligible) and for the design of the plant. If you reform or gasify with air, you get a lot of N2 which you have to handle. This means more compression power, bigger tubes or more pressure losses etc. A synthesis should be supply with a gas of the right stoichiometry (H2 to CO) rate (2H2 + CO -- CH3OH). Daniel Keith, ya'll asked b4 if I read, yea, everything, I use my own archive system by making a smart ass remarked so I member things in correlation, sorry if it don't always work out right. One question, is the William McDonough the architect in Browns Eco- Economy also the AGreenspan heir? Honestly, I was impressed watchin' CSPAN and hearing Mr Brown, firstly by being someone that knew how to ties 'is shoes, then reading his ten dollar book, for which I thank you, I'd recommend this book even before the big book from AA, and thats more than 30% of the population, eh? I thought that Daniel was the answer to the question, but I read Diesel into it, no? Methane has to be between 17-44 percent to run in a diesel??? Thanx, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hey Motie, this what you wanted to do??
BATTLE CREEK, Mich., Feb. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Triad Innovations (OTC Bulletin Board: TINN - news) announced that it has obtained financing to begin the construction phase of its Cryogen Centrifuge Process (CCP) for demonstration to the ethanol industry. The CCP system offers a method of refining ethanol without the need for a typical distillation process, resulting in a significant cost reduction. Triad's Research Lab has been evaluating the device and method for the past four years, and is now expanding the development stage to include the construction of a Pilot System that can demonstrate the process at ethanol refineries across the country. The typical ethanol refinery generally produces about 190 tons of carbon dioxide per day during the fermentation phase. The CCP system will recover this carbon dioxide by-product and used it as a cryogen to recrystallize the water from the fermentation beer, all within a continuous flow centrifuge. The developed centrifugal field will separate water crystals from the liquid ethanol fraction, thereby eliminating the need to thermally vaporize the fermentation beer, a cost intensive process used in current distillation methods. Triad intends to show the economic implications of the CCP system and demonstrate it's applicability to existing and future operating refineries, by having the Mobile Pilot System available for demonstration at refinery locations by mid-2002. Simultaneously with the demonstration process, Triad will be pursuing strategic Ethanol Industry alliances, for placement of its product in the industry. Interested ethanol fuel producers may contact Triad to schedule a demonstration at: Triad Innovations Inc. (http://www.triadinnovations.com) is the developer of proprietary centrifuge separation processes in gas/vapor, dissolved salts, fine particles, and dehydration of continuous flow streams. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative*
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look Guys, Dana, You've put my words on this list long for I could type them out (Don't Keith type quite well for only using 'is one hand?) http://biodiesel.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic? a=tpcs=465094322f=169090994m=5500966051r=6780940791#6780940791 I think it would be a better idear to approach some local farmers with the request, would you like to buy some fuel? I'd like to help you save some money after all the past decades you've carried me and my kin along http://biodiesel.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic? a=tpcs=465094322f=169090994m=5500966051r=6780940791#6780940791 The govn't in the States is a city/county State Union. If one was to package Methyl Esters as a fuel additive, what hoops would one have to jump? Why not try to keep the price below the price of a gallon of motor oil, thats where I think the SHEEZE comes in. If you want to sell a motor fuel, prepare to jump through hoops. Tom, I've seen all your web site, where is it that you wash the ME?? What does it taste like? Tom, when your out carousin', looking for fuel, have you ever read what Darling I. puts on that little sticker on the side of their grease bins?? Keith, you've moved to a new town, most likely you've lost all your sources of used fryer oil, it is rough when you don't get any. I for one would like to be thankful that the democratic process works as it should, I need people to think for me when I neglect to do so myself. AMEN John. In fact what puzzles me is why a person with the mindset that Dana has, would even be a member of a alternatively minded, independent group such as this. Still enjoying (partial) Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness! Alternative??? Thats all I am, I make bd just for the glycerine, mix it with benzocaine, don't need to sell it, still experimental, eh?? Steven-Lee Craig __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Problems - Increasing Idle; Carbon build-up
Don't start the car with the a/c on! It sounds to me as if you need more heat, your probably being careful because your still loosing cooland and driving to nice. One might put cardboard in front of the radiator to block airflow to increase the temp without using a thermo. Take the car out for a 3000 rpm drive for a little extended time. I bought an injector cleaners once, said on the label 100% kerosene??!! For the air leak, i've used something from the drug store called egg shell preserver, put it in the engine warm and drive for an hour without stopping, or overheating, ask your druggist. You can drain or I've kept it in a couple of cars for 40-60 thousand miles. These engines where pretty much shot to start with and had no compression, started on only one cylinder. 300k on a Ford Fiesta --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anthony R Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I am running SVO on a manual, Mazda Capella diesel '90 model. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] If these are so great, why don't they run 'em all the time?
BEND, Ore., Feb. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- The lights went out from the central Oregon coast to Eugene when 70-mph winds ripped through the area and knocked out power to tens of thousands Feb. 7. One bright spot was the warehouse at Emerald Peoples Utility District in Eugene. There, a recently installed 3-5 kilowatt IdaTech fuel cell system provided crews the only power they had as they worked though the wet night to restore electricity. ``It was great. We started the fuel cell and it gave us power,'' said Richard Jackson-Gistelli, leader of the district's commercial, industrial division. In addition to lights and heat, the refrigerator-sized system, which runs very quietly and produces almost no emissions, powered a cable puller used to stock line trucks from a great spool. For the 14 hours the warehouse's main power was out, the IdaTech fuel cell system purred along flawlessly. ``It provided us a well-needed service,'' said Jackson-Gistelli, who said all he had to do was push a button to start the system up. ``This clearly demonstrates an early promise of fuel cells: clean, quiet, dependable back-up power without the disadvantages of traditional gensets,'' said Mark Fleiner, IdaTech's vice president of marketing. EPUD is participating in a multi-state field-test program of IdaTech's systems managed by the Bonneville Power Administration. Utility leaders are exploring the potential of fuel cells to provide an array of service opportunities, including power to remote sites and back-up power to homes and businesses. Fuel cells produce power in an electro-chemical process that is low polluting, efficient and quiet. IdaTech is developing fuel cell processors and integrated systems for stationary and portable uses. Fleiner expects the first commercial uses will be for intermittent demand applications, particularly emergency and portable power systems. ``We are increasingly dependent on electricity at work and home,'' he said. ``In the future, when nature strikes and the power grid goes down, people will turn to their fuel cells.'' Jackson-Gistelli said that's just what the crews in the warehouse were able to do the night of the storm, when most of its 18,000 customers were without power. ``Most of the area was knocked out. But we had light in our warehouse. And that was great,'' he said. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Izuzu/GM to quadruple Ohio diesel production
[biofuel] Scary but true, I know we all know what to do with this.
This is never going to make headline news like the CJD prion but never the less people are going to lose out on this deal. But I'm from the neck of the woods that sufferred through the PBB scare in late 1970's, devastated hundreds and few heard of it, though, I'd think some would learn a lesson. Please turn this stuff into motor fuel, ASAP?? Thanx, Pfizer Corp. (PFE) is making the announcement today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for use as-is or as a mixer, under the name Mount and Do. Pepsi's proposed ad campaign suggests: It will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Access Your PC from Anywhere Full setup in 2 minutes! - Free Download http://us.click.yahoo.com/.WCYWA/2XkDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OH MY
I'm sorry!! please add my comments to this article, had the wrong article in memomory and I have no idea how to rephrase an article, Please read the following: Suspect Fish Meal Sparks European Food Alert By Michael Hogan HAMBURG (Reuters) - Four European countries scrambled on Wednesday to trace animal feed laced with a potent antibiotic that can halt production of human blood cells, fearing tons of the meal may have got into the food chain. Germany impounded material at an animal feed plant on Wednesday, while authorities in Denmark, Poland and Romania were probing whether tainted fish meal had been fed to livestock. ``We now know which (German) producers of pig or poultry food received the ingredients and the material is being impounded, this has taken place at one factory today,'' a spokesman for the Lower Saxony regional government in Germany said. German federal and state authorities said on Monday they were investigating the import late last year of feed ingredients from the Netherlands tainted with chloramphenicol, used to treat such life- threatening diseases as anthrax and typhoid. The antibiotic is restricted to such serious infections because of the risk of it causing a potentially lethal form of anemia. Officials in Germany said contaminated shrimps imported into the Netherlands from the Far East had become part of a consignment of 188 tons of fish scraps subsequently shipped to a feed plant in Lower Saxony. ``These ingredients (later) were sent to six animal feed producers in Germany and three other companies -- one each in Denmark, Poland, and Romania,'' a state agriculture official said. Meanwhile, authorities in the north German state of Bremen investigating the affair said it could not be ruled out that larger numbers of companies could be involved. A Bremen-based trader sold some feed to two Austrian feed producers and one plant in Lower Saxony. Another Bremen trader sold some to seven other German traders. Masterfoods GmbH, a German unit of U.S. group Mars Inc., said on Wednesday it has withdrawn some dry catfood from sale produced by its Verden factory in Lower Saxony while tests are underway. But spokeswoman Margrit Kolbe-Hopp said none of the firm's leading brands such as Whiskas contain fish meal and so sales continue. GERMAN ALERTS Denmark, Poland and Romania were just beginning investigations after alerts from Germany this week. A leading Danish feed producer said it had sold on imported fish meal that it had since learned was possibly contaminated. Four tons went to local farmers late last year and had probably been consumed. ``The four tons must be gone by now,'' said Hans Erik Bylling, a partner in feed producer Aller. He added, ``At this stage there is no reason to panic. We'll get an answer late today or tomorrow whether something is wrong.'' A spokeswoman at Denmark's Department of Plant Production -- a unit in Denmark's Ministry of Food, Agriculture and Fisheries -- said: ``We don't know whether the fish meal sent to Denmark was contaminated and the Germans don't know either.'' Poland launched a probe on Wednesday, and chief veterinarian Piotr Kolodziej said investigations could take several days. Viorel Antonie, head of Romania's veterinary authority, said German officials had been in contact by telephone late on Tuesday and were promising details on the size of shipments and the identity of the Romanian importer on Wednesday. (Additional reporting by Abigail Levene in Amsterdam, Birgitte Dyrekilde in Copenhagen, Ewa Krukowska in Warsaw Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Access Your PC from Anywhere It's Easy. It's Fast. - Free Download http://us.click.yahoo.com/yWCYWA/6XkDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Acid Esterification with HCl
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith writes: If you get any positive results with HCl, please let us know. Well, I've never gotten HCl to catalyze a TRANSesterification, but I've gotten it to catalyze the partial ESTERification of free fatty acids in a sample of dirty oil. One way to refine WVO would be to esterify the FFA's rather than turning them into soap, prior to the base- catalyzed reaction for biodiesel. An advantage of using acid in this way rather than Aleks Kacs-style transesterification is that it works with wet acid (muriatic, or 31% HCl/water solution) and wet alcohol (I used 97% ethanol, but 95% would also work). So far the yield of refined oil is terrible, but it's nicely refined -- I got some 2.7 titer oil down to 1.0 in one step, which is a lot better than I can do in one step of caustic refining. More expts. are in order.-K And then further repeating the process to remove more FFA Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Toilet bowl cleaners you can drink?
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-) Always said the stuff's too good to burn in your motor. Nice story, thanks. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Well, close! I do think its great there is an alternative(renewable) source of engine lubricants that by all means, appear to be superior to crude based products, why not sell motor oil for $8.00/ gallon, looks to be a better profit potential than a motor fuel? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: new discovered plant
Hi Keith, Thank you, I will try to visit all the sites you enumerated. Danny E. The castor bean or castor plant belongs to the Euphorbia Family (Euphorbiaceae), a diverse and economically-important family of flowering plants. Although the castor plant has a watery sap, many members of the family contain a poisonous milky sap or latex that exudes copiously from cut stems or leaves. In fact, the most important world source of natural rubber comes from several members of the Euphorbia Family, especially the para rubber tree (Hevea brasiliensis). Other economically important plants include tapioca from the large storage roots of the tapioca plant (Manihot esculenta), and tung oil from the seeds of the Chinese tung tree (Aleurites fordii). Tung oil is one of the world's finest and most durable finishes for wood. Another species of Aleurites (A. molucanna), is called the candlenut tree because the oil-rich seeds were used for candles in Hawaii and other Polynesian islands. The seed of candlenut (Aleurites molucanna) contains about 50 percent oil and burns like a candle. The ancient Polynesians brought this tree to the Hawaiian Islands where it has become naturalized. The dried nuts were cracked open and the seeds were skewered onto the midrib of a coconut frond (or slender bamboo stem) and set on fire. [Since they contain about 50 percent unsaturated oil, the seeds ignite readily.] The Polynesians used them for candles that burned for about 45 minutes. Hawaiians also extracted the oil for many other uses: to shine and waterproof wooden bowls, to mix with charcoal to make black canoe paint, to burn as torches, and to burn in stone lamps for light. The candlenut is also known as the kukui-nut in Hawaii, and the large seeds are polished and strung into beautiful necklaces and bracelets. In fact, this tree has so many uses that it is the national tree of Hawaii. Throughout the islands the light green (silvery-gray) foliage decorates lush canyons and valleys. The light-colored foliage is easy to spot from the numerous vistas on these lovely islands. http://waynesword.palomar.edu/plmar99.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/G_L2TD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Keith and his I've said it all along,
this stuff has to much value to be dumping it in our tanks Interested in lowering NOx emissions up to 80%??? http://www.unitedsoybean.org/lib_fs_frame.cfm?ID=8 In April, we brought you Phase 2 test results of AMG 2000, a vegetable-based engine oil developed with soybean checkoff funding by Agro Management Group, Inc., of Colorado Springs, Colo. The Phase 2 testing confirmed that AMG 2000 significantly reduces harmful emissions of hydrocarbons (HC) and carbon monoxide (CO). In addition to these reducing these harmful emissions, another emission was greatly reduced. Nitrogen oxide (NOx) was reduced by nearly 80 percent in city driving and between 30 and 60 percent in highway driving. The decrease in NOx emissions was a surprise, as there were no deliberate changes in the air/fuel ration, the combustion temperature or the ignition timing - the combination of which control NOx emissions. However, the lowering of HC and NOx exhaust should significantly lower the amount of smog in urban areas. Since the Phase 2 testing, a fine-tuning study was done to find a means to control lead levels in the oil. The results of Phase 2 found that the vegetable oil was such an effective detergent that it caused lead concentrations to increase throughout the duration of the fill after changing from petroleum oil to AMG 2000. The lead concentrations were determined to be harmful to the viscosity stability of the vegetable-based oil. A high efficiency oil filter and chemical agents were used to control the levels of lead. Using the high efficiency filter alone made a difference in the lead level, rising quickly initially, but then maintaining a constant value. By comparing the viscosity levels between Phase 2 testing and the fine-tuning study, controlling lead levels proved to be beneficial. Controlling the lead levels keeps the viscosity rise level for up to 3000 miles, or an equivalent of five to six months of U.S. Postal Service vehicle operation. For more information regarding AMG 2000, log on to Agro Management's Web site at www.agromgt.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/G_L2TD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol, cannot be made non-poisionous?
[cbdnet.access.gpo.gov] PART: U.S. GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENTS SUBPART: SERVICES CLASSCOD: A--Research and Development OFFADD: National Technology Transfer Center, Wheeling Jesuit University, 316 Washington Ave., Wheeling, WV 26003-6295 SUBJECT: A--RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT -- THE SUBJECT TECHNOLOGY IS A SET OF FOUR COMPOUNDS THAT APPEARS TO BE USEFUL IN ALLEVIATING THE TOXIC EFFECTS OF ACETALDEHYDE (ACH). ACH, THE FIRST METABOLIC PRODUCT OF INGESTED ETHANOL (ETHYL ALCOHOL), IS KNOWN TO EXHIBIT LIVER TOXICITY AND IS SUSPECTED IN THE ETIOLOGY SOL #99-071 DUE 122001 POC Mr. William Chard at 1-800-678-6882 or (304) 243-2039. DESC: N-Terminal Dipeptides of D (-) Penicillamine as Sequestration Agents for Aldehydes --The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), through the National Technology Transfer Center (NTTC), is seeking a commercialization partner to further develop this technology through a Cooperative Research and Development Agreement (CRADA).-The subject technology is a set of four compounds that appears to be useful in alleviating the toxic effects of acetaldehyde (AcH). AcH, the first metabolic product of ingested ethanol (ethyl alcohol), is known to exhibit liver toxicity and is suspected in the etiology of alcoholic liver disease. There is reason to believe that these compounds may work as sequestration agents for aldehydes generally, including formaldehyde (the first metabolic product of methanol) and glutaraldehyde, as well as AcH. On this basis, it is hypothesized that any one or more of these compounds are candidates for use as an antidote against the toxic effects of AcH, formaldehyde and glutaraldehyde, and thus may be effective both in treatment of chronic alcoholism and in cases of acute alcohol or aldehyde poisoning. A secondary effect may be the reduction of the offensive body odor produced by unsaturated aldehydes. LINKURL: www.nttc.edu LINKDESC: Click here to find out additional information regarding this technology EMAILADD: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAILDESC: click here to contact the contracting officer via e-mail CITE: (W-317 SN5128W9) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Methanol/Ethanol in Gas
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Can i buy unleaded gasoline and just add methanol or ethanol that comes from a still? Any performance boost in doing so? How much should i add. Tnx Ken To mix ethanol with gas, use enough benzene or benzanol to stop the water from seperating, gotta get it close to 195 proof mix ethanol with diesel, the farmers handbook mixed 50/50 diesel/etho they just didn't think it was great running a 300kw gen with a 100kw motor :) I didn't think salt absorbed any alcohol, if it did, throw it back in the reactor, no? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Vv.L9D/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Time lines
Honorable Spence Abraham has a great site at www.doe.gov I know theres a graphic to 2060, looks like the wood choppers still gonna be employed. Was a PDF if I member.
[biofuel] Turning the corner?
Dr. Pimentals reports have influenced alot of people and their web sites about how much it cost to produce ethanol. But, will he re- evaluate his case? I really do hope that someday ethanol is cheaper than coal and its used to power an ethanol plant. Its great the guy can sit down and discuss his views and at least offer to revaluate, I hope they can show better numbers, will leave the detractors with only the ability to call names. We'll give 'em their own chat room :) http://www.ncga.com/news/notd/2001/november/110101.htm Corn Growers Tell 'True Story' of Ethanol in New York (11-01-01) The National Corn Growers Association (NCGA), working closely with the New York Corn Growers Association, made great strides this week telling the true story about ethanol to key legislators and agencies, academia and consumers in the Empire State. Recently, a particular hurdle that corn growers have faced in New York and the nation was a report by Cornell University Professor David Pimentel, who positioned ethanol as an inefficient and uneconomical fuel. Corn growers met that hurdle head-on in a peer-to- peer meeting Tuesday with Pimentel. Our meeting was very cordial and interesting, said McClelland, who represented corn growers along with Colorado School of Mines Professor Mike Graboski. Dr. Pimentel listened to our concerns about his report, and we are encouraged that he asked us to provide additional data so that he can re-evaluate his position. A key concern by corn growers is that Pimentel's conclusions that corn ethanol production achieves a negative balance were based on outdated and flawed data. McClelland said NCGA will provide unbiased information from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the U.S. Department of Energy and other sources refuting Pimentel's claims. Corn growers also met with other Cornell University professors and researchers to discuss the Pimentel report, Cornell ethanol research and the results of a rural economic impact study commissioned by the New York Corn Growers Association. We were very well received by the Cornell staff, who expressed a keen interest in renewable fuels and the impact the ethanol industry would have on the rural economy in New York and nationwide, said York, Neb., farmer Boyd Smith, chairman of the NCGA Ethanol Marketing Committee. The corn growers also discussed the rural economic impact study data with Sen. Jim Wright, who helped fund the study, along with key New York agency representatives. The rural economic impact study, which would apply not only in New York but in other states where the production of ethanol would benefit economies in rural sectors, indicates that the ethanol industry can sustain approximately 700 jobs through the annual production of 30 million gallons of denatured ethanol plus related co- products, said Kevin Swartley, president of the New York Corn Growers Association, and a corn grower from Romulus, N.Y. It is anticipated that these jobs will sustain more than $45 million of economic activity and provide $16 million or more in annual incomes to New Yorkers. Swartley added that a one-time benefit of about $91 million in economic activity will result from plant construction and from preparation of land for crop production. Sen. Wright also stressed the potential the ethanol industry presents for New York's rural economy. Innovative technology is paving the way for new industries and opportunities in New York, Wright said. In a time when the use of alternative fuels is becoming more feasible, this could be a viable path for new York to explore. Smith concluded that corn growers will continue to work with all of the groups they met to ensure the development of the ethanol industry in New York. Our work did not stop with this week's meetings, Smith emphasized. . Actually, it just began. Everyone that we met with was interested in working with us on these critical issues. For more information about NCGA and ethanol visit, www.ncga.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Epil Stop Spray Painless Hair Removal. Spray on and wipe off! Just $24.95 at Youcansave.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/gC2sGD/6jNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel prices
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . If I could sell the soy-oil for $5/gal(not likely) WHY? thats the price its on sale for now at Walmart. And yours would have valuable lecithin and b's, I much higher value product. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Clever Cam is a pen sized digital camera, webcam, and mini-camcorder. Just $79.95 at Youcansave.com. http://us.click.yahoo.com/F11sED/NkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Diesels coming:
I really didn't know that GM owns half of Izuzu and who told GM consumers didn't want a reliable diesel. http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/011022/t45082_1.html TOKYO, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Japan's Isuzu Motors Ltd is negotiating a deal to provide diesel engines to vehicles made in North America by Toyota Motor Corp , Kyodo news agency said on Monday, citing industry sources. In what would be the first tie-up between the Japanese automakers, Isuzu would make the engines at its Ohio plant, Kyodo said. Isusu operates that plant jointly with General Motors Corp (NYSE:GM - news), which owns 48.4 percent of Isuzu. ``We are not in a position to disclose who we hold negotiations with,'' an Isuzu spokesman said. Officials at Toyota, Japan's number one automaker, declined to comment on the report. Toyota aims to capitalise on Isuzu's expertise in producing eco- friendly diesel engines, with demand in North America for the fuel- efficient motors expected to grow, Kyodo said. Isuzu is Japan's biggest maker of light trucks. Toyota plans to mount the Isuzu engines on its North American sport- utility vehicles and compact trucks, Kyodo said. Isuzu, known for its diesel engines, is also reported to have tie-ups with Honda Motor Co Ltd , French automaker Renault and Sweden's Saab Automobile AB . Isuzu shares rose 2.8 percent to 110 yen, compared with a 0.25 percent rise in the benchmark Nikkei average . Shares in Toyota closed 0.33 percent higher at 3,030 yen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://us.click.yahoo.com/d49MCB/3WDDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Does all forms of power generation kill things?
It seems even if it doesn't the humans make ways do it. I mean, because its power generation, all forms harm humans or nature in some way. We just decide what is acceptable risks, right? Coal puts sulphur into the air, destroying all the fish in several Canadian lakes. Natural gas and LP give off CO's that are toxic. Diesel particulates cause smog and other lung iritants. Wind power kills birds. Solar power kills rooftop installers. Consumers Powers has a unique form of green power. They pump millions of gallons of water uphill at night when the power is cheap, Then release the water and millions of fish through turbines during the day when there is more demand for power. Thats without netting the fish first, to expensive. Nice jobs guys, heat up the water and attract fish, then suck 'em up and slice 'em. Lets work with ethanol. Make ethanol and power gas/gens down by the lake. With all the excess corn that you can't find to feed your thousands of cows, feed it into the lake and attract ducks, any duck that doesn't fly south for the winter is domesticated and you can process and sell the ducks to resteraunts and food service. Or even yet, spread the excess corn around the wind farms and attract birds also! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Cogen
You'll need about 75 gallons per megawatt of diesel or equivelent. You'll notice the cost is about 500/kilowatt from the China diesel to large systems: HOUSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 15, 2001--The following is an advisory by Industrialinfo.com (Industrial Information Resources, Inc.; Houston, Texas). The Dow Chemical Company, BP and Occidental Chemical Company all have something new in common. These companies, along with a growing list of their peers, are increasingly turning to combined heat and power (CHP) generation, more commonly known as cogeneration, as a solution for their electricity and process steam needs. The co-production of electricity and steam are not new ideas, but their popularity in the U.S. is growing. Recent estimates have chemical companies responsible for nearly 1/3 or 17,000 mega-watts (MW) of all electricity generated through cogeneration in the US. Aided by legislation passed in 1978 allowing the sale of excess electricity to local grids and more recent deregulation, projects of all sizes are being planned and built across the country. Many factors have contributed to make cogeneration more attractive to chemical companies and chief among them are favorable economics and environmental efficiency. Even the smaller chemical companies are building cogeneration units, thanks to recent technological breakthroughs. Dow Chemical and American Electric Power have teamed up to build a $325 million 900MW cogeneration at Dow's site in Plaquemine, Louisiana, scheduled to start construction in the fourth quarter of 2001 and be completed in 2003. BP and Cinergy Solutions broke ground late last month on a 570MW plant for BP's Texas City, Texas refinery and chemical complex. The $275 million plant is expected to come online in 2004. Occidental Chemical Corporation is reviewing plans for an 80MW plant for one of its Gulf Coast sites with approval of for the $40 million project expected in June of 2002. ``Traditional power producers were less than thrilled with the increasing trend towards cogeneration, as they were not only losing part of their customer base, but were also seeing those customers emerge as rivals on the open market,'' according to Annette Kreuger, Chemical Industry Specialist with Industrialinfo.com. ``To offset the losses, those same traditional energy producers are now bending over backwards to put together attractive design and construction packages for the chemical companies. In some cases, they are entering into partnerships with the companies to share costs and profits. In these days of deregulation, there are a host of ways to set up these new cogen units, but the bottom line is that chemical producers want more control of how their energy dollars are spent.'' http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011015/150035_1.html And Capstone has priced their turbine at $400/kilowatt, will that burn about anything, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Keith, If ya don't mind,
I'd like to refute Dr. Pimental again. This time from my friends at www.rooster.com Industry Argues That Ethanol Delivers Editors, Rooster News Network -- Tuesday, September 4, 2001 Last month, David Pimentel of Cornell University published a rather critical analysis of the viability (or lack there of) of ethanol production in the United States (see yesterday's story here on Rooster.com). He concludes that ethanol production is not a renewable energy source, does not enhance energy security, is not an economical fuel, and does not insure clean air. Those in the ethanol industry -- scientists, grain processors and several commodity groups -- have been quick to refute his studies with some research of their own. The National Corn Growers Association (NCGA) points to work done by Michael Graboski, professor of engineering at Colorado School of Mines. Following is Graboski's response to each of these claims made by Pimentel. A renewable resource Contrary to Pimentel's calculations, corn ethanol yields a very net positive energy balance, and has a positive impact on U.S. energy supplies. Researchers at Argonne National Laboratories found, based on 1997 agricultural data, that the energy in corn ethanol was 1.37 times the energy in fossil inputs (Btu in ethanol/Btu in inputs). Likewise USDA researchers found a net energy ratio of 1.24 based upon agricultural data collected in 1991 to 1995. In producing ethanol from corn, wastes and energy crops, low-grade fuels like coal and natural gas are effectively transformed into high- quality liquid transportation fuels. About 84% of the energy consumed in producing corn-based ethanol comes from coal and natural gas, while only 16% is petroleum based. Thus, corn ethanol represents a very efficient way of increasing U.S. gasoline and diesel supply. Because of increased supply, ethanol acts to depress the price of gasoline and fuel oil. Pimentel's analysis is based upon older data, and contains a number of inaccuracies. It does not properly account for the efficiency of much of the industrial processing related to ethanol. Pimentel's energy balance is based upon the performance of 1979 ethanol conversion facilities. According to USDA, fertilizer accounts for about 45% of the energy required to grow and harvest corn. Pimentel ignores publicly available information supplied by the U.S. fertilizer industry trade association regarding the energy efficiency of the U.S. fertilizer industry and instead assumes that it performs like a third-world industry in accordance with a UN FAO world average analysis. He thus assumes a pound of U.S. fertilizer nitrogen requires 33,500 Btu to produce today, while the U.S. industry actually used only 22,600 Btu in 1987, according to The Fertilizer Institute. Pimentel significantly overstates the energy requirement for corn production. He uses the national average yield of corn from both natural rainfall and irrigated areas, but assumes farming energy as if all corn in the U.S. is irrigated. In fact, only 15% of the crop is irrigated. Furthermore, in irrigated areas, the yield of corn may be 75% higher than areas dependent on natural rainfall. Pimentel argues that corn should be used for food, not energy. In fact, ethanol plants produce food and energy. In ethanol production, only starch is removed from the corn. The corn is converted to 1/3 each by mass of ethanol, food and carbon dioxide. All of the protein, fiber, corn oil and trace nutrients in the corn are recovered as high- quality products for human and animal consumption. Pimentel states that seven times more cropland are required to produce fuels for Americans than to feed Americans. The acreage for corn production has been essentially constant since 1980. Yet, because of increased yield due to better farming practices and technology, the corn crop has grown from 6.6 bil. bu. in 1980 to over 10 bil. bu. today. The increase in corn production greatly exceeds the U.S. population increase. Thus today, Americans are receiving both food and fuel from land formerly dedicated only to food. According to Pimentel, U.S. farming practices are not sustainable. Soil erosion and depletion of ground water result in an irreversible degradation of the environmental system in which corn is being produced. Yet, because of increased yield due to better farming practices and technology, the corn crop has grown from 6.6 bil. bu. in 1980 to over 10 bil. bu. today with no change in planted acreage. Energy secutity Pimentel speculates that essentially all of the U.S. would have to be planted in corn to satisfy U.S. liquid fuel demand sometime in the future. This is a totally unrealistic view of the role of corn-based agriculture in U.S. energy policy. In the long term, USDA analysts estimate that corn ethanol may be practically limited to about 6 bil. gal./year, or 4% of current liquid fuel use, consuming about 10% of the corn crop.
[biofuel] Now they might be showing up in your local junk yard!!
Accidents happen every day and then they end up in scrap yards, talk to your insurance agent and ask them! EL SEGUNDO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 3, 2001--AURA SYSTEMS, INC. (OTC BB: AURA - news) announced today that the Ford Motor Co. will feature the AuraGen/ICS (inverter charger system) on two F-Series trucks. The trucks will be part of the Ford exhibit at the International Truck and Bus Meeting and Exhibition (ITB) to be held at the Navy Pier in Chicago on November 12-14. ITB is sponsored by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE). The AuraGen ICS option turns the AuraGen into a complete power management system. The system provides AC power to the truck user either with the truck engine operating or with the engine off. The transitions between the engine on and off modes are totally transparent to the user both operationally and in power quality, without any spikes or interruptions. The ICS requires an auxiliary battery pack, which is used to provide the power, while the engine is off. When the battery charge is low the user is alerted by the system to turn the engine on. As soon as the engine is turned on the system switches the power generation to the AuraGen and simultaneously charges the battery pack. Secondarily, the AuraGen/ICS system is used during driving to draw energy for power spikes from the battery complement without affecting the engine idling speed or operation in any way. The system also provides DC power for 12 or 24-Volt systems and will be available for 42-Volt systems where required. Aura designed the new AuraGen ICS system to answer needs in a variety of industries. Some of the industries include Emergency/Rescue vehicles including police, medical and fire; Recreational vehicles; mobile food catering; telecommunications; municipal services; and long distance hauling. For more information about the AuraGen, see the company's website, http://www.aurasystems.com/. Aura Systems, Inc., a leader in electromagnetic systems, is located in El Segundo, CA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Disney land in December?
WOBURN, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 3, 2001--The Center for Business Intelligence is proud to announce it's 4th Business Case for Fuel Cells conference, to be held December 3-4, 2001 at The Omni Colonnade in Miami, FL. Hear the latest technologies, applications, markets and investments opportunities for Fuel Cells at CBI's 4th Business Case for Fuel Cells conference. The program addresses what private equity companies look for when identifying new technology investment opportunities. Attend this conference and examine, learn and understand issues such as: The operating cost differential between fuel cells and traditional generation for industrial customers How using fuel cells during times of peak demand can minimize risks and costs- Compare to other temporary power alternatives Siting fuel cells systems- Determine where they will have the biggest impact on reliability to end users Special Highlighted Presentation: Achieve Market Penetration for Solid Oxide Fuel Cells, Led by: Dr. Subhash Singhal, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory A Case Study on the Texas Fuel Cell Partnership- Using Fuel Cells to Power Emissions Monitoring Equipment Plus! Choose from 2 Pre-Conference Workshops on Monday, December 3, 2001: Workshop A- A Primer- Fuel Cell Technology and Commercialization Update Workshop B- Developing Automotive and Transportation Applications for Fuel Cells CBI's 4th Business Case for Fuel Cells conference is a great way to network with colleagues and clients! We look forward to seeing you on December 3, 2001 in Miami, Fl. To Register, or for more information, contact Glen Manseau, PH: 781- 939-2513 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mention your priority code, PB173PR Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Cheap diesels,imports,progane
Izuzu Motors makes diesels in Toledo,OH Schools auction of alot of 4-cyl diesels, I've bought them for $500,usually can get what you pay for. Chevy 350/5.7 was a great diesel, I got 30-32 mpg with a full size Buick, the motors lasted as you drove, why do you take off full throttle at stop lights? Thats where most of your fuel is consumed, better yet, don't stop 'em. Many last for 100,000's of thousand miles Used truck market is low, many trucks for sale, call you local bank and see what they have. Many schools used propane diesels, great when propane is $.50/gal or maybe butane at $.25 Call your local school and ask how much their selling for. Used trucks check out www.truck.net They might have some for sale Click on the round table tab and visit the round table and learn about trucking, at least alot of answers about diesels and the people who drive 'em! Tell 'em king fa sent ya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Cheap diesels,imports,progane
Izuzu Motors makes diesels in Toledo,OH Schools auction of alot of 4-cyl diesels, I've bought them for $500,usually can get what you pay for. Chevy 350/5.7 was a great diesel, I got 30-32 mpg with a full size Buick, the motors lasted as you drove, why do you take off full throttle at stop lights? Thats where most of your fuel is consumed, better yet, don't stop 'em. Many last for 100,000's of thousand miles Used truck market is low, many trucks for sale, call you local bank and see what they have. Many schools used propane diesels, great when propane is $.50/gal or maybe butane at $.25 Call your local school and ask how much their selling for. Used trucks check out www.truck.net They might have some for sale Click on the round table tab and visit the round table and learn about trucking, at least alot of answers about diesels and the people who drive 'em! Tell 'em king fa sent ya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Mercedes 300D - 1985
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the option of getting a Mercedes 300D for $500 Model year 1985 No rust runs good Is this a good price, is it worth it, etc Yes, I've been looking for a deal like that for a long time! I've never seen 'em w/o rust around here either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Dr. Pimentel
NCGA Refutes Claims of Energy Imbalance of Ethanol News reports released Aug. 6 cited claims by Dr. David Pimentel of Cornell University that ethanol production is not a renewable energy source, does not enhance energy security, is not an economical fuel, and does not insure clean air. The following points, provided by Dr. Michael Graboski, professor of engineering at Colorado School of Mines, address each of these claims made by Dr. Pimentel. Other documents comparing USDA and Dr. Pimentel's energy analysis and an analysis by Argonne National Laboratories are also provided. Ethanol is a renewable resource: Contrary to Pimentel's calculations, Corn ethanol yields a very net positive energy balance, and has a positive impact on US energy supplies. Researchers at Argonne Laboratories found, based on 1997 agricultural data that the energy in corn ethanol was 1.37 times the energy in fossil inputs (BTU in ethanol/BTU in inputs). Likewise USDA researchers found a net energy ratio of 1.24 based upon agricultural data collected in 1991 to 1995. In producing ethanol from corn, wastes and energy crops, low-grade fuels like coal and natural gas are effectively transformed into high quality liquid transportation fuels. About 84% of the energy consumed in producing corn-based ethanol comes from coal and natural gas, while only 16% is petroleum based. Thus, corn ethanol represents a very efficient way of increasing US gasoline and diesel supply. Because of increased supply, ethanol acts to depress the price of gasoline and fuel oil. Pimentel's analysis is based upon older data, and contains a number of inaccuracies. It does not properly account for the efficiency of much of the industrial processing related to ethanol. Pimentel's energy balance is based upon the performance of 1979 ethanol conversion facilities. According to USDA, fertilizer accounts for about 45% of the energy required to grow, harvest corn. Pimentel ignores publicly available information supplied by the US fertilizer industry trade association regarding the energy efficiency of the U.S. fertilizer industry and instead assumes that it performs like a third-world industry in accordance with a UN FAO world average analysis. He thus assumes a pound of US fertilizer nitrogen requires 33,500 BTU to produce today, while the US Industry actually used only 22,600 BTU in1987 according to The Fertilizer Institute. Pimentel significantly overstates the energy requirement for corn production. He uses the national average yield of corn from both natural rainfall and irrigated areas, but assumes farming energy as if all corn in the US is irrigated. In fact, only 15% of the crop is irrigated. Furthermore, in irrigated areas, the yield of corn may be 75% higher than areas dependent on natural rainfall. Pimentel argues that corn should be used for food, not energy. In fact, ethanol plants produce food and energy. In ethanol production, only starch is removed from the corn. The corn is converted to 1/3 each by mass of ethanol, food and carbon dioxide. All of the protein, fiber, corn oil and trace nutrients in the corn are recovered as high quality products for human and animal consumption. Pimentel states that 7 times more cropland are required to produce fuels for Americans than to feed Americans. The acreage for corn production has been essentially constant since 1980. Yet, because of increased yield due to better farming practices and technology, the corn crop has grown from 6.6 billion bushels in 1980 to over 10 billion bushels today. The increase in corn production greatly exceeds the US population increase. Thus today, Americans are receiving both food and fuel from land formerly dedicated only to food. According to Pimentel, U.S. farming practices are not sustainable. Soil erosion and depletion of ground water result in an irreversible degradation of the environmental system in which corn is being produced. Yet, because of increased yield due to better farming practices and technology, the corn crop has grown from 6.6 billion bushels in 1980 to over 10 billion bushels today with no change in planted acreage. Energy Secutity: Pimentel speculates that essentially all of the US would have to be planted in corn to satisfy US liquid fuel demand sometime in the future. This is a totally unrealistic view of the role of corn based agriculture in US energy policy. In the long term, USDA analysts estimate that corn ethanol may be practically limited to about 6 billion gallons per year, or 4% of current liquid fuel use, consuming about 10% of the corn crop. According to the USDA baseline, the additional 1.5 billion bushels required can be supplied by growth in corn production between 2000 and 2010. Considerably more ethanol will be produced from energy crops and crop residues in the future. Economics: According to Pimentel, Federal subsidies for ethanol are paid to large corporations at a
[biofuel] Re: Project would make ethanol from coal
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://enn.com/news/wire-stories/2001/09/09212001/ap_45009.asp - 9/21/2001 - ENN.com No, it's not corn or barley: Project would make ethanol from coal My first question would be, How are you going to get the cows to eat the by-product of fermentation?? Really, I hope there is a saleable product left over. Comparing to corn as inputs, according to their figures it would yield about 1.5 gallons of ethanol per bushel of coal. Corn at $2.00 a bushel is a little less than $80.00/ton. Coal in the state is $8.00/ton and averages $9.00/ton West of the Mississippi. It looks like this could settle some of the concerns of California if it works. http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/coal/cia/html/t80p01p1.html - prices of coal for reference. Another question is why do they need double or triple the amount of employees to run the plant, compared to a dry mill plant. I hope it is a clean process and works, with the State offerring an additional $.40/gallon ethanol subsidy, they should be able to pay off the plant before it runs out in 2007. Using a billion pounds of coal a year, I really really hope the by-products don't have to be landfilled!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol from cellulose
Hey Ted, What kinda lingo- would this be?? and would it have anything to do with the States $.40/gal ethanol support?? By DALE WETZEL, Associated Press Writer BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) - Rather than corn or barley, North Dakota's newest ethanol project might rely on coal. Dakota Gasification Co., which runs the Great Plains synthetic fuels plant near Beulah, N.D., has applied for state research money to study whether lignite, a type of coal, can be used profitably to make ethanol. The process would use bacteria to convert lignite to ethanol, a widely used fuel additive. Ethanol increases the energy value of gasoline and helps it to burn more cleanly. Ted Aulich, a process chemist at the Energy and Environmental Research Center at the University of North Dakota, said coal-to- ethanol research has been going on for years. ``Just going by what I've seen in some of the technical literature, it sounds like these guys are pretty convinced it is commercially viable,'' Aulich said. ``I don't see any reason why it can't be.'' Most U.S. ethanol plants process corn or other agricultural products. None of the nation's 57 ethanol plants rely on coal, according to the Renewable Fuels Association, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that promotes ethanol. The method for converting coal to ethanol relies on technology developed by Bioengineering Resources Inc. of Fayetteville, Ark. The company has licensed the technology to an Ohio firm that hopes to work with Dakota Gas in the project. ``The idea is there. The potential is there,'' said Daryl Hill, a Dakota Gas spokesman. ``Now what we have to do is see if it's going to work.'' Dakota Gas and its partner, Metropolitan Energy Systems Inc. of Cincinnati, have applied for $5 million in state aid. The plan calls for expanding the Great Plains plant to produce ethanol. Developers say the project would create 100 new permanent jobs, use 500,000 tons of coal each year and manufacture 30 million gallons of ethanol annually. Nationally, the ethanol industry is in the process of expanding. Thirteen plants are under construction nationwide, the Renewable Fuels Association says. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] A hundred years ago, when they took the O' off my families name
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Their diets consisted of 87% potatoes, they still ROCK!
Obscure Purple Potato Seen Ending Need to Spray LONDON (Reuters) - The days of using chemical sprays on organic potato crops may be over -- thanks to a virtually unknown purple potato. Scientists at the University of Newcastle in northeast England said the potato -- so obscure it has no name -- appears to be resistant to all fungal diseases and so may not require any chemical treatment. If trials continue to be successful it could net organic farmers and producers millions of pounds, said Carlo Leifert, a professor of ecological agriculture. ``We tested a wide range of different varieties that have come available fairly recently which organic farmers have no experience with,'' he told Reuters. ``At the very last minute we took on a variety that two Scottish enthusiasts gave us which were from Hungary. It really did amazingly well in trials against blight, and it also had the best vigor -- it grew like a weed on a very low-nutrient soil. ``We are starting to get very excited.'' He said if the potatoes pass the taste test and supermarket quality tests, they could be on sale in the shops soon. The trials, funded by the European Union (news - web sites), came about after the EU recently banned the use of copper-based fungicides in organic farming. Diseases such as potato blight destroy millions of pounds worth of untreated potato crops every year and this could prove an important breakthrough, Leifert said. ``In Germany this year the organic farmers had to plow in a lot of fields, they didn't get a yield at all because of blight,'' he said. ``And in countries like Holland where you are not allowed to use any copper sprays at all they are getting very worried about controlling blight.'' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime
The guy didn't really give all his thoughts, but did these figures come from his Federal tax form?? What I'd like to know, if they use 1,000 gallons of fuel, where can they buy that for 347 dollars? o An acre of U.S. corn yields about 7,110 pounds of corn for processing into 328 gallons of ethanol. But planting, growing and harvesting that much corn requires about 1,000 gallons of fossil fuels and costs $347 per acre, according to Pimentel's analysis. Thus, even before corn is converted to ethanol, the feedstock costs $1.05 per gallon of ethanol. Operating costs per planted corn acre in 1999 totaled $153, less than a $1 drop from the previous year. A decline in fertilizer prices pushed fertilizer expenditures down about $3 per planted acre. Price increases for the major chemicals used in corn production pushed up chemical expenditures by about $1 per acre, offsetting some of the decline in the fertilizer expenditures. http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/CostsAndReturns/car/corn2.htm o The energy economics get worse at the processing plants, where the grain is crushed and fermented. As many as three distillation steps are needed to separate the 8 percent ethanol from the 92 percent water. Additional treatment and energy are required to produce the 99.8 percent pure ethanol for mixing with gasoline. o Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU. Put another way, Pimentel says, about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU. o Ethanol from corn costs about $1.74 per gallon to produce, compared with about 95 cents to produce a gallon of gasoline. That helps explain why fossil fuels -- not ethanol -- are used to produce ethanol, Pimentel says. The growers and processors can't afford to burn ethanol to make ethanol. U.S. drivers couldn't afford it, either, if it weren't for government subsidies to artificially lower the price. I've read reports from Delta-T, that their newest plant is producing ethanol for $.88 using 1 kilowatt net energy per gallon. Thats pre tax savings too! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] External Combustion, Made in Michigan!
I though Steve posted something about this before, I could not find anything in the archives. Connected with the Delco-Remy generator, could make a lot of Home Brewed fuel! Pretty kewl site too! http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=474 DTE Energy Technologies, an unregulated subsidiary of DTE Energy Co., today announced the signing of an agreement with STM Power Inc. of Ann Arbor, Mich., to develop and sell high-efficiency energy/nowú external combustion power modules worldwide except in Asia.The agreement is the latest in a series of partnership agreements that have positioned DTE Energy Technologies as a worldwide leader in building a broad portfolio of distributed generation solutions for homes, businesses and industries. This new product, the 25-kilowatt (kW) energy|nowú ENE250 power module, is powered by an externalcombustion engine developed by STM Power Inc. that burns gaseous and liquid fuel that include natural gas, diesel, landfill, bio and flare gases. The STM 4-120 engine has many advantages for distributed power, runs smoothly and quietly, does not require a muffler and can be as efficient as the best internal combustion engines. It meets all existing environmental stvandards. In volume production, the STM engines will be cost-competitivewith gasoline or diesel engines. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Over hill, Over dale
http://test1.janes.com/regional_news/americas/news/idr/idr010601_1_n.s html In a world of diesel-fuelled military vehicles, planners have struggled for many years banish gasoline from the battlefield. One small obstacle has been the motorcycle, which has always relied on simple, lightweight and high-powered gasoline engines. The military has always relied on motorcycles for battlefield communications and reconnaissance. Now a-diesel-engined motorcycle prepares to challenge the status quo - and eliminate gasoline from the military supply chain. The M1030M1 diesel-powered motorcyle is derived from a stock Kawasaki KLR650, used by the US Marine Corps. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: The really soft proof of maybe something, kind of, or not..
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever your feelings on GM, there is a danger in engineering a super-plant, in that it will behave like a super-plant, and so will That article Keith posted about GM and changing the name of lead to Ethyl was enough for me to change alot of my idears about GM!! Absolutely mind numbing!!! I hope everyone had a chance to read the last paragraph. Yes, I know, off topic but the GM article really showed me how generations of people where really misled for a few cents per gallon, and all for something that ethanol could have done! Totally mind numbing, makes me wonder about anyone that might want to make their own few cents per gallon off of biodiesel. I live next door to a Novartis plant and just pray that those in RD do a good job!! as they do hold the future of our kids in their hands. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: zeolite - Digest Number 489
Many municipalities simply screen the waste and collect the resulting grease ball To landfill of course Joseph Martelle wrotethese filters work because water in oil is an emulsion and thus easily separated with marine filters. Is this true? How do you take the oil out of emulsion, I have heard of de-emulsifying agents (chemicals) but they are expensive. Are there different types of emulsions - permanent emulsions, semi emulsions-what is an emulsion anyway? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
From ListMom- was Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we end this thread now please? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Schools Schoolchildren are a special part of Journey to Forever -- this is a wonderful opportunity for students to learn about the issues that are so vital to the world they'll inherit. At the same time they'll learn how to use the new information technology in innovative and creative ways, linking and collaborating with other children in other lands, learning together, and contributing to real issues. And a great way to get kids to interact with their parents Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: eCycle - Hybrid Motorcycle
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks nice. Still waiting for 3-wheel open/closed canopy version with front wheel drive, heater and 4 seats that can be licensed as a cycle and sells for 10k http://www.deere.com/deerecom/Homeowners/Products/_Gator_REG+Utility+V ehicles/default.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a whole lot, Steve Spence. I really needed to know that. Got anything for erectile dysfunction; i.e. limp dick? -Jim I take a sample of biodiesel and mix with vanilla or strawberry flavoring, start by massaging her feet, pour a couple of chilled ethanol samples and turn out the lights(beauty is only a light switch away). Remember, it's not How high are you, its Hi, how are you. Please put your renewables to good use! K5, looking at the bigger picture!! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
