[biofuel] M. Dewolf
No it is not, it is a serious problem where ever large amounts of termites exist. They have been mentioned in national geographic, science journal, and many studies. Your problem, You would not be able to raise enough to do anything. Collectivly there are trillions of termites in billions of mounds worldwide. The same for all animals including humans, birds ,fish, plants, hydrates ect. There are many sources of methane. You must harness it to use it. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] vehicles
If you use diesel fuel for start up, I do not think a "small" amount of glycerine would hurt, in warm weather. The diesel fuel would act as a solvent. But in cold weather I have doubts. If only fuel injectors were at stake, I would'nt worry. They are very easy to take apart and/or rebuild, and only about $40 or so each. But a fuel injection pump is a bigger ballgame. And bigger bucks. I rebuilt them in a clean room, with special tools. the parts kit was around $75 depnding on the pump. It is tedious work and labor is $65 to $90 an hour here. If parts are broken, more$. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] crude
We ran sweet crude from the well to diesel gensets, in S. Arabia. Very little filtering. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] scam?
Scam or no, they have been in operation in the Tehachapi wind farms for over ten years producing electricity. They also can be seen in operation at the huge palm springs wind farm. They are used on pleasure boats were space is a premium. Small 300 to 1,500 kw units mounted on a mast. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fw: windturbines
- Original Message - From: Paul Gipe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: stephen lakios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:34 AM Subject: Re: windturbines yes, some are available. call for info paul At 11:26 AM 4/21/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Are any of the non-operating turbines for sale? I am part of a >biofuels group and we have over 550 members who make our own >fuel,alcohols,biogas,biodiesel,electricity,ect. Some of us can >build windplants from parts, or repair windplants. Any >information? stephen > > Paul Gipe 208 S. Green St., #5; Tehachapi CA 93561-1741 USA; ph: +661 822 9150; fax: +661 822 8452; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wind Power for Home & Business (1993), Wind Energy Comes of Age (1995), Wind Energy Basics (1999), and Energa Elica Prctica (2000).<http://www.chelseagreen.com/Wind/PaulGipe.htm>, <http://rotor.fb12.tu-berlin.de/personen/paul.html>, <http://invisibleuniverse.com/Juice/history.htm> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] more windpower
I found more sites on wind power and one which is selling reconditioned wind turbines. Some interesting info too. There are over 28,000 producing wind turbines on wind farms worldwide, most are in california, 14,500 of them, and growing. Wind farms are producing 7,800,000,000 kwh a year. Over 30 new wind farms are being built in the usa now, big ones. The average new wind turbine produces 108 kw. at 75 to 130 rpm. Mega watt units are being experimented with, on towers of 160'. Sea west wind energy, Berlin aero space institute, and Windland who has the rebuilt units for sale. They have a carter 25 kw unit with 60' or 75' towers. and a 300 kw unit. No prices mentioned, I sent them a email. Several of you wanted this info so here it is. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Carl, and anyone interested.
Here are some windpower and genset sites I found. I do not know if they will work or come up. baywinds.com, bergey.com, northernpower.com, windmillpower.com, windlite.com, worldpowertech.com, windsun.com, oasis.com, eventhorizons.net, altenergystore.com, reconcepts.com, calinet.com, ecoworld.com, alternativepower.com, handilinks.com, jademountain.com, bullnet.co.uk, lookout2000.com, vtsolar.com, southwest windpower, african windpower, manx wind energy services, Gensets- generator.com, electric-generator.com, americasgenerators.com, woolands-generators.com, homegenset.com, gopower.com. I could not find the tehachapi site, I will try again, I hope this is some help for you. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Jerry
What can go wrong? Thats a loaded question, no one could honestly answer. Remember murphy's law. If you can throw together a pump,a heater and a filter pack, you could heat the oil, and pump it through the filter pack under pressure. I would prefer brass and cloth or parchment. Whatever you can come up with, or have on hand. The pressure, does not have to be high. Experiment and discover what works for you. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] vehicles
A diesel will run on darn near any liquid which can burn. The problem is the feeding systems. #1. Problem is the fuel injection pump. It works with tolerances of 10,000ths of an inch. Foreign particles,air and water are its bane. #2. Fuel injecters, they too work at close tolerances and high pressures. The newer diesels with computer controlled constant pressure rail systems, still use fuel injecters. The newer an engine is, the cleaner the fuel must be. An older engine will tolerate dirtier fuel to a point. Although not good it is done all the time. Even the best freshest fuel will have contaminates and water in it. I would always use two or more filters and two or more one way valves in the fuel lines. #3. Cold starts, veggie oil is not as volatile as diesel fuel, you can try various mixtures and try a compromise, but most diesels are started on diesel then switched over. The problem of experimenting on your own, you may damage the engine and/or yourself. Start with very small amounts and work up. The best engineers have not been able to solve the problem entirerly. There are starting systems which inject small amounts of ether, meth alcohol, or propane, used in really cold areas. Some worked well and some blew engines to h Glow plugs are an assist only, not a cure for cold starts. For automotive use, use biodiesel. It would be easier to filter oil which is very warm, with a pump forcing the oil through a series of filters down to .5 micron. Brass screens would be best if you can find them. Then cloth and/or paper. We used brass in the oil industry, but then I was dealing with 3,000 psi, and upto 400 degrees. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] batteries
I worked for a battery shop years ago. We were able to restore about 30% of them. Most of the acid is weak and to contaminated to reuse. The lead will mostly be in the form of a sulphate and contaminated. In those days the cases were trashed, and the wood or cork separaters were also trashed. The posts we mostly salvaged, or sold for scrap. The acid was collected and sold to industrial recyclers. The batteries we saved were first topped off with distilled water, then a rod was put on both terminals and completely discharged. We dumped as much acid and junk out as possible but do not shake it out, then filled it with acid and put it on recharge at one or two amp/h for three to five days. Then check each cell for voltage output and S.G. Most batteries "die" from abuse. Not using distilled water,allowing mineral buildup. And deteriation from vibration and heat.The lead sulphate will buildup on the bottom and touch the plates,shorting out a cell. Or the separators will crack and break off, shorting a cell. If a battery is completely dry, for more then a few days get rid of it. The separators have dryed out and cracked or otherwise fallen apart. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Tim
I do not know who you saw or overheard, but I and almost everyone I knew were/ are midwest farmers. Millions of hardworking farmers never leave thier farms. They could not afford too. There are dead beats in every trade and culture, don't cast them with the millions of good and excellent farmers who care for and nuture thier farms. No real farmer wants to destroy his farm, he wants to pass it on to his kids. Make a profit,yes, hopefully. But millions have to work a regular job and the wife and kids are running the farm. I know that for a fact. On a lot of farms grandma and grandpa are helping too. Government agents come around often to try to force a change to this or that new way of farming,tying the new way to cheap borrowing. Or excluding farmers to borrowing who do not accept or try the newest thing. Over 350,000 farms went bellyup in the 90's. There are more wetlands on private farms and ranches then in national parks, there is more game on private farms and ranches then in national or state parkland. Except for Alaska there is more forest on private farms and ranches then on government lands. Farmers do care about the environment and many work for the dept of fish and game,and government parks. The public market dictates what farmers must raise, while farmers were selling cattle to feedlots for fattening on who knows what, they would butcher a grass fed steer. Maybe feed it some homegrown corn for a month or so first. Most family farms have large gardens, an orchard and livestock raised for the family, besides the livestock, veggies and fruits which are raised for market. I could go on, but if you don't get it now you never will. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] gensets
Lookup, www.gensets.com they have diesel,gas,propane-natural gas, gensets. Also parts to build your own. New and rebuilt. In bakersfield,ca. They can be modified for biodiesel, alcohol, and biogas. I found a site for used rebuilt commercial wind gens, but they are not cheap. The tehacapi,ca wind farm is upgrading and has 8,000 to 12,000 watt units for sale, with towers. The cheapest one I read about was $7,000. It had a 20' diameter prop and a 60' tower. It came with plans for a base which took five yards of concrete, and a means to raise and lower it with a cable and pickup truck. But 7 grand without a battery storage system and hookup to the home is a tad much. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] keith
Howdy, I read the entire Hynol site, all 62 pages. It was interesting, but not your ordinary backyard project. They had a lot of shoddy engineering-design,and shoddy fabrication. It states there is not much gain above 10 atm, yet they went with 30 atm's. They would have saved a lot if they stuck with 10 atm's, as the entire shell, tee and reactor could have been much lighter. They would have saved more with a lighter superstructure. Why they first tried greencast is a mystery to me, greencast is used in ordinary 1 atm kilns. The design engineer should have known better. They could use the clinker amalgamated sand,ash and other residues) as an ingredient to make bricks. Thus keeping it out of our landfills. The feeding problem was obvious, anytime you create a shelf, things will collect there. It should have been a tube all the way through. They are useing a woodmeal and not woodchips, so a hammermill or grinders are needed. The soleniod valve in the feed pipe should be placed in a horizontal pipe so green woodmeal will not pack downwards on a closed valve. Five years seems to be a long time for a pilot project. But with all that grant money, I guess they dont need to be in a hurry. stephen Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] lonny
Howdy, What you are doing is copying nature. It is very ineficient but it will work. Pond culture is as old as life. The first manmade digesters were trench and pond culture, both methods are still in use worldwide. It is a slow process and will shut down in cold climes, in warm weather it will produce slow but fairly steady. I would still mix it to a cream consistency, it will produce more methane and less CO2. You will still get plenty of sludge when it stops production of gas. What you are getting now is called biogas, low methane and high CO2, plus hydrogen sulfide and various other gases. It will work as is but I would at least scrub the H2S, it is bad news for any engine,or any metal and your nose. Jerry rig a can of steel shavings, and a can of lime water. let the biogas flow through the can of shavings,and bubble up through the lime water. We changed the rusty shavings and lime water weekly. The biogas will then be about 60 to 70% methane instead of 30 to 50%. Methane is a highly explosive gas,be careful in its use and handling.It only takes nine parts air to one part methane for all heck to break out. For that reason do not wrap a porous insulation around a methane digester. stephen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] odin
If you have lots of rain you dont need a river. Dig a pond, build a dam, channel the water to a high head, install a water turbine. A body of water with a nil to very slow movement will work if you have enough head,(drop or fall). Coconut husks and shells are biomass, burn them as direct heat, gasify them for methane,and or methanol, compost the husks, raise worms,ect. From what you said, you told us the solution. stephen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Lonny
Are you shutting off a valve before you remove the gas filled bag? Air should not be allowed into the digester. Anareobic means without air. If air is allowed in via the tear,or during bag change,you are stopping/ retarding the process. Plastic bags breathe to much to be used as a gas collecter. The gray you see is the bane of all digesters, scum. From the air you allowed in and the lack of water. If you mixed all the contents completely to a cream consistency,the scum would be minimized. What are your proportions? How much manure? How much straw ? How much water? What is the temperature? You probably have a gas mix high in CO2. If not all CO2. There is a science to producing methane, and you must follow a regimen. It sounds as though you do not know what you are doing. It would be nice if we all could throw something together and expect a valuable return, but that is not the case. We must start with something of value, Such as knowledge, persistence, and learning from our mistakes. There is a world of information in the bio-fuels archives and on the net. Seek it, and learn.Dump the stuff out, and start over. Enough water is necessary, air tight is necessary, mixed well to a cream consistency is necessary,a means to mix the load while digesting is very helpful. Proper temperature is necessary, proper PH is necessary. Proportions can be experimented with. While digesting, roll it on its side a few times a day to keep it mixed. If everything is done right expect the first gas to be CO2, it would be best to setup the drum on its side, no more than 2/3 full. This would increase the surface area, and help minimize the buildup of scum. stephen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] cornelius
Thankyou, I am aware of most of the uses of biomass. And have been trying for years on my small scale to convert other people. I was thinking more towards the millions of pellet stoves sold which could use pellets made of dryed grasses. And smaller boilers which could burn cubes of grasses. There must be muti millions of them around the world, supplying steam or hot water heat. Some use natural gas,some burn wood and/or coal, and would be able to burn cubed grasses. The feed doors would not take a bale unless you could make mini bales. And package them in paper,to stop fines from getting all over the place.Wrapped blocks of compressed grasses, around 4" by 6" by 12" should fit most doors. Offer two sizes, 4" by 8" by 18". That is the size of the wrapped coal blocks we used. Where in kentucky are you? I managed a 1,746 farm near brownsville. And have an uncle who has a 650 farm near bee springs, bordered on three sides by mamouth cave national park. I pray that you are successful. Stephen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/olMXHC/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] grass fuel
I like this idea very much, I was wondering when someone would start making grass pellets and cubes. Why not tall fescue in cooler climes? We would get 7+ tons of mostly fescue hay per acre, per cutting. And three to four cuttings per season depending on the weather. Then there are the straws, wheat-barley-oat-rice ect. And stalks, corn-cane-sorghums, and weeds. There are automatic hydroponic grass growing machines which produce half to two tons of grass a day, used in zoo's and dry areas and supplement feed on large ranches and farms. Stalks are very tough and hard to break down, they could be used in fiberboard and wood products. Grass and wax for fireplace logs also. I will study more on DD, as I found a good source of free wood chips. I have not been able to start on the digester, I was in the hospital twice this month. Have to get my heart problem under control first. I found another group, "Live steam" They deal in medium scale trains( 8" to 14" scale)and found a guy here in palmdale,ca who is willing to teach me to make steam engines. I am interested in a steam boiler and digester combination, as stationary power. I want to experiment with DD also, and decided not to build a still. We have had several electrical blackouts in southern cal,and it is going to get worse this summer. So I would like to get moving on these projects. stephen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/olMXHC/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] David T
Vacuum is great sometimes, When I drove big rigs crosscountry we would drive in a line of rigs. Sometimes twenty or more. It did help save fuel and the lead truck would switch every hundred or so miles. In a head wind,or front quartering wind or no wind.Plus for company,chat on the cb's, and protection.I saw and helped hundreds of times in auto accidents of every discription. We all used to stop,and many still do dispite the rig highjackings. The police told us to radio in, in the 70's highjacking of rigs really took off.We could have from tens of thousands to millions of dollars worth of merchandise in each rig.One or two tired drivers, was an easy hit for organised crime. I always had a .357 mag with me. stephen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Correction
I talked with one of my two remaining uncles who is dying of cancer and we started talking about the farm.He told me the broiler operation was contracted out,and they built the slaughter house. Which became ours after ten years. Also we had 100,000 chickens but not all laying. He said about one third were up and coming,to young to lay,one third were layers and one third were in molt and not laying,or on thier way out. After the second laying cycle they were sold to a soup company for ten cents each. The young ones were kept inside, The layers were allowed to forage the grain fields doing excellent on all the bugs and such. Only in the worst of winter were they fed cracked corn and a little grain. We lost some chickens to hawks,owls and other critters and our chickens laid an average of four eggs a week,unlike todays chickens which are pushed to lay an egg a day. I do not remember getting paid to slaughter chickens, but uncle ray said I was. I got one cent each to stick them. The money went to the farm. He told me most of the manure was spread after curing, on the vegtable area,and his and dan's special watermelon patch. Thier watermelons put both through four years of college, and bought two model B, fords, and a new tractor for grandpa. Other uncles had a still in the woods,but not for fuel. Thier recipe put them into cars,racing,high living,women, but WWll put them into the marines. Stephen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Thankyou
Thankyou,David and Robert. I set the characters at 64. I do not know if it is working. You will have to let me know,as this message is completely across my screen. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] shavings?
If you have shavings something is very wrong. Small little specks of metal would be more the norm. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bryan Fullerton
Have your timing checked,and your injection pump and inectors.If you have a constant pressure rail system have your computors and relays checked.Most glow plugs last years,have your electrical system checked also,there may be to much amperage to them. The switch may be defective,they may be on to long.Outside of the prechamber the filiments usually burn up. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Troy
The wankel was a good idea but in practice failed,mostly due to unprepared or uneducated mechanics and owners. Sealing was a problem in older engines,maintenance was lax. I still like the idea,and it would be well suited for alcohol.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] text
Hi, were do you set the text width? I am still trying to figure out these dang things. I spend a lot of time trying to reboot this #%&[EMAIL PROTECTED] computor. I type with one finger.I flunked typing three times,just cant make my fingers and these little keys meet to well. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] cold engines
Glow plugs are decent for quicker starts in most any weather,except really cold weather. I know people who live in palmsprings,ca who use glow plugs.They are not fireballs in the prechamber so to speak,they only assist the cold engine to start.You have to get fuel to the cylinders,if the fuel is anywhere close to gel,the glow plugs are useless.You need the heaters I mentioned awhile back.There used to be 12 and 24 volt heaters,find those or make your own, and wrap them around fuel tanks,lines,filters,pump,and engine.I used to hunt around the tamagani lakes,near northbay Canada before most of the vacation houses were built.I drove a mercedes and the glow plugs were useless in the dead of winter.I got pretty good at digging small pits,getting a good fire going in them and throwing a couple inches of dirt on the hot coals.Then pushing the mercedes over the pits and leaving it for an hour or so,it would start right up I learned that trick from an old french-indian-canadian guide..! Alaska was a new ballgame,we had to keep the rigs running all winter, there are plugs everywhere,well almost.If there is a way of insulating everything with a non-porous insulation,and with the use of the heaters,we might solve the diesel cold start problem in most cold weather.Ed is right about cold engine driving,most trips are short to shopping,schools,med-dental,ect. And countless stops and stop lights in the cities.By the time people get to the mall,grocery ect,the engine is either just warming or is still cold.This is and has been a problem in automotive engineering.Thus came the thermostat,egr systems,weighted exhaust pipe valves,engineered back pressure,and now computors. But the problem remains.It is very hard on an engine,the oil is cold and thick,the internal parts are running semi-dry, condensation forms.The trans,differential,wheel bearings,power steering pump,all areas using grease,wear more.The same can happen in extremly hot weather,the lubrications will loose! thier viscosity ie: become to thln or fail to coat the parts.To combat these problems more additives are created.Most of them are very toxic.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] warming
This orb has been going through cycles for billions of years,and most likely will continue to do so.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] chickens
I kept typing boiler when it should have been broiler. Maybe gaw can use old newspaper instead of sawdust.Put it through a shedder or wood chipper. Or 50% paper-50%sawdust. We did not know of digesters when we had the farm,the chicken manure would sit in piles for three to four months and we would spread it in the orchards and vegtable plot.The chicken operation was seperated by about a mile from the dairy and way in the back of the farm for good reasons.At any given time there were 100,000 broilers and the layers.I guess we were running a factory broiler operation without knowing it.We did not have cages though.They were on the dirt floor or on the roosts.They would spend a lot of time on the roosts, coming down to feed or drink.Same for the layers except they could range through the pastures and grain fields. They were smart,most would go back to thier own coops in the evening,with very few mix ups.The farm does not exist now,the entire valley is a sea of roof tops,shopping ! centers,and roads.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] chickens
Keith,David and Gawcicken. I think I mentioned awhile ago,on our 1,800 acre dairy farm we had a side line of 400,000 boilers and 200,000 laying chickens.We had a huge incubator and raised our own chicks and experimented with our own crossbreeds. For many years we sold our boilers to a slaughter house and had a profit of about three cents a chicken. Then we built our own slaughter building on the farm,flash freezer and all. Our profit per chicken went up to 20 cents each.We shipped right to the big wholesale markets of NYC and Philly.I could stick 2,000 chickens a day.It took the boilers 12 weeks to reach slaughter weight.Our layers took six to eight months before they started laying,then they would lay for 12 to 15 months,before thier first molt.During molt they would stop laying for eight to ten weeks. It is at this time most poultry farms sell the laying chickens to the likes of campbell soup. The chickens will start layiny again but for a shorter time, six to eight months.! And so on.We would keep ours untill the second molt. Todays boilers are slaughtered at four weeks. They grow so fast,thier legs cannot support them,they have less feathers,they are full of growth hormones,antibiotics,protein animal feed,and much more,all for ever faster meat production.Beltsville is experimenting with featherless chickens. Those Auburn people have thier heads up thier .Gawchicken should at least experiment.I suspect they don't know what a digester is. Chicken manure has urine in it. Which makes it a powerful feedstock for a digester.It needs to be buffered and sawdust is a good buffering agent.C/N ratio is all important and 80% sawdust is close to the ideal.If the sawdust has a good consentration of urine in it that may be all he needs.The ideal chicken manure mix for maximum methane production is 30% manure-70% paper pulp. The second best mix is 50% manure-50% grass clippings. mixed into a slurry 1:1 with water. Start small,then work up in size. st! ephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Chickens
I cannot figure anyone spending What? $232,000 on propane to heat chicken housing? Chicken manure is the second best choice for producing methane.Lots of methane.With an operation that size they must be using lagoons to dump it in.They can put domes over the lagoons and capture some of the methane.It is a much slower process in water,due to the cold temperatures.Our chicken housing was mostly built in the 20's and it was all well insulated. It gets colder in Pennsylvania than it does in Kentucky.The heat from the birds was rarely supplemented,it could be five degrees outside and 50 to 60 inside. Great for those oldtime birds as they produced better in cooler weather.Todays engineered birds do not feather out as well,it was engineered out of them for faster meat production.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] gm polteria
David & keith, Ha,Ha. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] things
I made a mistake,the swamp coolers are 6500 cu ft a min each. Wow! there is a bacteria for everything,neat little critters. ADM and such already control farm prices and have been at it for many years.A farmer gets what the mill operator or grain elevator pays. Say a farmer brings in a load of corn,after preparing the ground,buying seed,fertilizer,planting,cultivating,spraying,harvesting,and drying it. He transports it to a grain elevator,a sub of ADM or whomever.There the load is graded,to much moisture,to little,to much chaff,to little,to much fecal matter,diease,fungus ect ect.There are a zillion reasons they can come up with to pay a much lower price then the spot market,or futures price.Then,guess-all the grain is loaded into the same elevator.For years every farmer I knew upgraded his equipment so as to get the top price,but we always came away feeling we got jipped. My uncles at ADM said everyone was getting the shaft.Except company farms.The ones always showcased wi! th the happy "farmers" faces.The farmers would get five to ten cents less then the advertised rate we were supposed to get,due to "bad" grain.Times billions of bushels. They were already making a good profit without the cut rate.Have they changed yet? I doubt it.How do you prove it,if anyone complained,the operator could refuse to buy your crop(s) and you would lose the farm.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] fuel cells
I guess ceramics are old hat,but they did look hopeful at one time.One of the most comfortable houses I lived in had baseboard hot water heat.Since ic engines are primarily heat engines,it would make sense to use an ic engine to heat boiler water to heat your home and supply hot water,as a by product.While using the engine to drive a generator or whatever.Our largest cost now is for propane to heat the house and cooking. In the summer it will be electricity for cooling.We have two 6500 btu swamp coolers and central air conditioning.We use the swamp coolers 90% of the time,But have to switch over to air conditioning when it gets humid.Our insulation is 12" thick above the ceiling,and 5 1/2" in the outside walls.We have dual pane windows and glass doors, filled with argon.We have a sun-cell solar air system,on the roof a collecter 8' by 20'.A concrete pit under the home,filled with 20 tons of rock.All computor controlled. The sun heats air in the collectors,the hot air is either! used to heat the house and hot water or is pumped into the pit to heat the rocks and hot water.Enough heat is stored in the rocks to heat our home and water for three days without sunshine. A wood burning stove is also integrated into the system. A return air duct is located above the wood stove.We can get the stove upto 1,200 degrees,when the hall thermostat turns on,sensors detect wether there is enough heat from the stove,if so no propane or rock heat is used. The system draws the heat from the wood stove and distributes it throughout the home.If the stove is not hot enough then the system draws from the rock pit, and finally the propane central heating system.The entire system has only four moving parts.A water pump to move water through a coil in the sun-cell body,two, two way doors in the body,and a blower. We have two tree lines planted to block some of the prevailing wind,and no windows on the west sides,because of the very hot summer sun.Still our propane bill gets h! igh,as we have a 3,000 sq ft home,and 1,000sq ft "garage"(my second home).I'm thinking of using the genset to help heat the home and garage.By installing baseborad hot water heaters in some rooms.And installing a bypass to the 4cly radiator.I am hopeing the digesters can be done and ready by next fall,then I can get rid of the propane or use it as backup only.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] GM bacteria
Why dont these scientists poke around the Asian jungles. Cotten,wool, and cotten-wool blends of socks lasted two to three days at most, in "some areas" of nam and cam.Uniforms,canvas tents ect, were eaten? or rotted in days.Finally rayon-polyester tents and clothes were distributed.Find and clone those bacteria or whatever it is.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] bi-metallics
Bi-metallics have been around for some time. Not only for electrical but heating and cooling also. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ammonia
The best concentrated ammonia is chicken manure.If you spread it fresh it will kill dang near everything.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] fuel cells
I know I am not upto date on fuel cells,so I would like to hear what any of you have learned.One of my brothers worked with fuel cell technology with N.A.S.A. in the satellite programs. Several years ago he wanted me to go into business with him to build steam autos powered with ceramic fuel cells fed with alcohol.With his plans the waste heat and used steam were 70% recovered.The ceramic "engine" was about one cubic foot.The fuel would be atomized so only air and an alcohol vapor was burned.Most of the fuel comsumed was at startup, then considerably less afterwards.The ceramic would be heated to over 2000 degrees F. and it holds the heat for a long period.The super heated steam(a colorless vapor) would be fed at constant pressure to his modified torque converter,and auto trans.But I was not interested at the time and now he is fighting for his life with prostate cancer.Are ceramic fuel cells still being experimented with? Are they in use other than the space program? stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Andrew
Don't strap a fuel line onto an exhaust pipe. You would have liquid-high pressure vapor-liquid,along the line.The fuel in the section of line strapped to the exhaust would turn to high pressure vapor,which would push the liquid fuel out of the line,towards the engine and back into the tank. If the line held the pressure you would have a vapor lock at the least. If the line burst,and the vapor released under pressure,ignited there would be an inferno.It's the vapor that burn's so well.An exhaust pipe is very hot,It's the pipe which comes from the exhaust manifold to the converter and or the muffler.The tail pipe is cooler and could be experimented with cautiously.Put your vehicle on a dynamometer and test the tail pipe temperatures under various loads.Or run copper tube along the fuel line, and connect one end to flexible metal tube !" or so in diameter. The flex tube would be strapped to the exhaust pipe or build a sheet metal heater box around the exhaust pipe and connect the! flex tube to the heater box.Leave the other end of the copper tube open.This will not solve cold starts,you would need heater strips which can be plugged in were you are parked.You can install a small inverter to have 110V-120V in the vehicle,and plug the heater strips into the receptacle,eliminating the above.Have one or two strips to plug in an outside receptacle for cold starts.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ricky Foong
I tried sending an e-mail direct but it came back. Thankyou for your comment,and stick with your principles. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982171661/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Paranoid
Who's paranoid? Accusations come from the guilty. The reason for the biofuels group is to effect change.At least I thought it was.If I were paranoid it would not be over anything I have said or written.The facts are there,read and be enlightened.All forms of pollution are dangerous,I do not want my children or thiers growing and living in a polluted world.I don't want anyone's children suffering. As individuals we are powerless to change established thought. We need to amalgamate for a common goal.If that is socialism,then we need a little. No man can stand alone,you need society more than you know.If I were paranoid, I would have a better reason. I have three terminal diseases,diabeties,have had two strokes,my heart has stopped three times,I have clots in both legs,I live daily with the prospect of instant death.Yet my wife and I went ahead and adopted three more abused kids,and now we are thinking of two more.I keep telling myself I'm going to live to a hundred.I do not dw! ell on myself,I go about doing whatever needs to be done.I still get a lot done,I have to pace myself and work slower.Every doctor,nurse,and paramedic I have met say it is a miracle I am still alive with the combination of "problems" I have. Do you know that only 5% of people with a heart attack survive thier first one.I have come to grips with my problems,I do not fear death.I was technically dead three times,the last took the doctors nine minuets to bring me back.Pain and I are old friends. I do have a lot of reasons to be paranoid,but I laugh with it and joke with the doctors and nurses.I have incurable tachycardia,atrial fibrillation, sick sinus, bradycardia,degeneration of the heart muscle.I don't belive in quitting. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982008351/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] chuck
If you want to fine,but I choose to stick around as long as my heart holds out.As I said we must be adapting to the situation,the facts are out there. Life span is increaseing in some countrys,but not all.But even in those country's life span has leveled out and has started to decrease in some.The point was to effect change,our future generations will suffer our indiscretions.Did you ever read the "love canal" story? Almost every kid in the housing tract developed cancer from chemical pollution.It was bad enough, the government bought out the entire tract,and fenced it off.That was only one generation.We need to stop the buildup in our water,soil and air. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981840983/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Hybrids
One of the reasons hybrids are a popular alternative,is the fact the goverment dropped smog requirements for engines under 50 cu. inches for many years.But that is changing or has changed on the state level.It was a huge boost for the grass roots hybrid movement in the 70's. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981839560/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] PL chan
Very difficult indeed.You would be surprised at the number of deformed babies aborted and born even in so called civilized society.Asthma cases have increased over 300% in the last ten years. The AMA has attibuted the increase to pollution.Lung cancers are well documented as being caused by pollution,and rapidly increaseing while other forms of cancers are in decline, except skin cancers.Now the AMA comes out with an article about heart disease,pollution is a factor. Most of us did'nt need an "article" to figure that out.Despite all the medical advances, we are still in the dark ages as pretains to the human body.Ask most physicians how much is really understood of the human body and condition.Psychology is a factor in physical health and that field has barley started enlightment.And today living longer often equates to the amount of money you can spend.Or how much a government is willing to spend.ie: hiv-aids. In the U.S. the combined treatment may cost $1600 a month +.Yet mo! st Americans do not qualify for treatment or have the income to pay for it. Africa- How many Africans are getting any meaningful treatment? Nil to none.Do not belive the soaps or movies,medical science has a very long road ahead. Diseases can mutate faster than medicine can advance.Every generation thinks they are modern,and advanced. They are most of the time. But a couple of generations later we will be seen as very crude,wasteful,and uneducated.To put it kindly.Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981837646/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] METALS
I poured over the U.S.G.S. maps, Anyone who lives within 300' on either side of most roads of the world are at risk.There are maps available showing the spead of cadmium,lead,arsenic,and asbestos amoung others. These poisons cover everything within 300',and gradually dissipate after a mile or so.It is worse if there is any industrial area or factory nearby,or major highway or railroad. Then everything is covered for miles around.As much as two to three hundred miles,depending on the prevailing winds.This, the legacy of the ic engine,rubber tires,braking systems,and chemical dependency.Very few areas of the world are unaffected.The African interior,Australian outback,some rural areas of Russia,U.S.,South America,Canada,China,Pacific Islands.If there is no industry or mining nearby. I read an article some years back in national geographic,about air samples taken from polar ice. Some of the samples were air locked in ice 10,000 and 100,000 years ago. The article said early huma! ns most likely would have trouble breathing our air.I forget the figures but most of our chemicals,metals,soot,co,nox were absent from the ancient air.Samples from grasses and leaves around the world, including the polar region ice,show very high levels of radioactivity compared to fifty and one hundred years ago. We must be adapting to these anomalies,at a price.Asthma,cancers and deformities are at the highest levels in recorded history.Other factors are involved also,but our enviroment and we are taking a hit of monsterous proportions.We have exceeded the ability of the oceans and air to cleanse itself.Our soil is covered with poisonous metals and chemicals and radioactivity.It's in the air and the oceans.Some of these will take over 500,000years to dissipate. A hell of a legacy for our future generations.This is why we are in desperate need of groups like biofuels. No matter how much we disagree with each other on one thing or another,we need to work towards enviroment fri! endly alternatives. Even if fuel prices come down again,we need to stay the course,and invent new ways of harrnessing power without harming the enviroment. We need more people to get involved,we need something to replace the ic engine.A tall order,but with all the billions of minds on earth,someone might just have the answer.If we could learn to live together without wars and hate. Each wasted life is a lost potential answer.Great inventions have come from simple ideas. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981749293/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] livestock
When we farmed we let our livestock feed in the pastures,with only some added grain and molasses in the winter months, besides the hay baled from the pastures. Our pastures had a mix of tall fescue,clover,alfalfa,and in later years sudan grass.A bovine has four stomaches for a reason.They eat grasses and are very good at converting the protiens,sugars and minerals available in the grasses.They do not need our intervention. We had very few problems,and our herd had a higher butterfat content then any of our neighbors who were micro managing thier herds. Now comes modern thinking,more,more,and more, faster. Antibiotics,hormones,chemicals,immersion in pesticides,insecticides. Forced feeding of animal protien,bloodmeal,bonemeal,byproducts.To get the ideal conformation,fast weight gain,maximum milk production,maximum lean meat,ect. Milk cows in the states on the big farms have to wear bras to support thier huge udders.Mortality rates are higher and useful life is lower. When we far! med,a milk cow milked twice a day,would produce eight gallons a day. Milk cows today on the big farms are producing upto 24 gallons a day. Our broiler chickens took 12 weeks to reach four and a half pounds. Todays broiler chickens take only four weeks, but most cannot stand up or move around much,because thier legs do not grow fast enough to match body gain. This is our problem,the farming industry,has gone from natural to unnatural.And we collectively, suffer.We farmed organically, more seed had to be planted,due to more loss from pests.But we got premium prices for our milk and crops.And city people drove twenty miles or more to buy our produce, and this was in the forties, fifties and early sixties.We also sold homemade pies,canned food,smoked meats, honey,and honey icecream. We had our own hives. Anyways farming does not have to be unnatural and that is one reason why so many people are trying to save small family farms in the states. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981585114/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] rendered fat
Even without bse,millions of cattle-horses die every year on farms. A milk cow can be bred only so many times to keep milk flowing and is sold to pet food company's,or as packer- canner meat.And many just wear out and die.Not many farmers or ranchers want dead animals laying around,which can spread disease,attract pests,and lions-bears-coyotes,feral dogs and cats. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981581650/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] refuge
The oil is there,The refuge has known reserves.It's mostly a question of when will all the heavy equipment be allowed in. Also exploration for more pools and how deep.In some places oil oozes from the ground. But it is a very fragile place,any life has a tough time of it there. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981579034/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] fat
I think I am low in my rough guess on the amount of fat in an animal carcass.I purchased a 10.23 lb beef roast,additional fat was trimmed in the grocery.After cooking I collected .56 lbs of fat from the pan and the roast was still very well marbled with fat.It may be that a 600 lb carcass could be over one quarter fat. I know that it is illegal to use a carcass which has been dead for more than 24hrs. A dead animal can be used for dog and cat food.But the death must have occurred within 24hrs.I worked a short time for Alpo. My job was shoveling sawdust (filler) into the mixer.It was an amazing process to me,a live animal in the yard would be cooked in cans, and boxed 30 min later.Dead animals were put right on the conveyor,live ones were electrocuted and put on the conveyor.No skinning,no bleeding,they all went through a huge heavy chopper,then a huge grinder, another grinder,a big mixer, where minerals were added, water and preservatives,sawdust,salt and other stuff.Then extr! uded into cans,canned and cooked,and boxed.Someone could put an ad in the paper and pick up dead or old farm animals. You need a truck with a lift or winch.Shoot them or hit them in the head with a sledge. chop them into smaller parts and render them out.Chop them up in a large pan or over a pan to save the blood for blood meal.An excellent fertilizer.Also you can grind the bones for fertilizer,and the remains can be put into a digester.The bloodmeal,bonemeal,and sludge can be packaged and sold.The rendered fat made into biodiesel.The biogas used anyway you want,and to fire your rendering vat.Additional income can be had if you skin the animals and sell the hides.Plus you get paid for picking up dead farm animals.I called, and the rate here is $125 for cattle or horses.A .22 does the job nicely,put the muzzle an inch from the skin and put the shot into the brain.Hang them up head down over a pan and cut the neck open to drain the blood.The smaller you chop an animal up the eas! ier it would be to render it. A truck with lift gate,winch,chain hoists,vat or tank,pans,axes,sharp knives,a .22,overalls,gloves,ect,it could be a nice business for a couple of guys. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981410028/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] honda's
In a previous list it mentioned if we all drove honda's ect. To each his own. I would never fit into a honda. I'm 6'2" and 260 lbs.My big brother is 6''7" 320 lbs and wears size 17, 5e shoes.He drives a modified 300td.I drive an areostar now. I was interested in this group as a way of learning more about alcohol stills.And bought the charles plans.Since,I have downloaded free,three more sets of plans from the net.In the 70's I helped build and operate over two dozen batch fed digesters. From 1972 to 1978. The first one was a disaster.The second was much better and so on.We started with a manuel printed in german, dated 1893.One of my uncles translated it and I think he left some stuff out.I do not have it or the translation.We were off on our own pretty quick building them. I want to build a continuos feed digester now but I'm having trouble finding a suitable tank.So I may start with two batch fed again.I have more Ideas on improvments. I just came back from my mom's memoria! l service,and my heart has been giving me problems again.Hopefully I will stabilize and can start work on the digesters this spring.We just got hit with a 90% increase in our propane bill.In may we paid $1.09 a gallon, now we paid $2.10 a gallon.Our water rates went up 1-1-01 by 33%,In may diesel was $1.19,now $2.29.Not to mention what will happen with electric here in southern california. Land owned buy the big cane and pinnapple producers in Hawaii was mostly bought before the turn of the 20th century and was very cheap then.And corn can be grown in the city.I did it,and sold it to an organic restaurant and the local swapmeet.I leased five acres of a former steel plant.There are many places in most cities where you can grow crops.Your market is immediate. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981241068/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] manganese
I never gave it much thought, I had a spectrum analysis done on my land two years ago,so I searched for the results. I live in the desert so before I planted my cherry and peach orchard,I had it done from six surface and three samples at three feet down.The results were surprising,the soil is acidic.Most desert soil is alkaline.The manganese level is 320% above average.Although still only a trace element,and only a small part of the soils makeup,it was interesting.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981237511/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] bse
I heard part of a news story on tv,talking about a possible first case of bse in the states. I was in the kitchen and did not catch it all. When I tried other channels there was nothing said about it. Have any of you heard anything? stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981236157/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Keith
I was thinking,If you can purify the glycerin or get someone to do it,and get as many of the people on the list who are making bio to ship it to the person purifying it,you can make and sell your own lotions and creams. You have a great name,perfect for a cosmetic line. Journey to forever, is mystical and subliminal.Have a colorful label,appealing to women.Add coloring,perfumes,lanolin,teas,mineral oil,ect.Hand and skin lotions,hand and skin creams,body gels,body washes,ect.Or contract it out to a cosmetic company if you do not want all the work.I know it is expensive to ship anything,and it may be cheaper to buy bulk pure glycerine. But hey' a 2oz. jar of handcream sells for $5+.My wife has one which cost $9.98. Thats $160 a pound.Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/980819056/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] methane
I have the book, Producing your own power,by rodale press,inc 1974. The New Alchemy institute. Do you want me to send the chapter about methane power? Or do you have it? The contents,Wind power,Water power,Wood power,Methane power,and Solar power.Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/980810737/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] air
You can make an arguement either way,pushed in or drawn in.Or using logic, argue there is no air.Whatever,stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/980809045/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] air
I tried to make it simple. There is a lot more involved,the piston on the downstroke creates vacuum,the exhaust manifolds are tuned to create a vacuum to help each suceeding fired cly gases to be drawn out. In the presense of a vacuum atmospheric pressure can push air in,to a point.When an engine is running at 3,000 rpm. An intake valve is only open for a few thousandths of a second,a strong vacuum is needed to draw in enough air.With atmospheric pressure no air will move,the intake manifold-air chamber is at atmospheric pressure already,with the engine off.You need six or more times the volume of air than atmospheric pressure can provide.If you use a vacuum gauge on an engine,atmospheric pressure is read as "0" depending on engine,speed,ect,you may get a reading of 15 to 30 in of mercury above atmospheric pressure,created by vacuum.If you could open up a small hole in the intake manifold to atmospheric pressure, the engine will falter and run rough.Open up a big hole,eliminat! ing vacuum and the engine will die. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] skaar
Renderers have been buying fat and bone from butchers for well over a hundred years.I tried to get some recently from two shops for an experiment. They wanted me to buy it. In our area we have three feline centers,lions,tigers,mountain lions,leopards ect.They get all the trimmings and over ripe meat from all the local grocery stores.Many things are made from fat, including explosives. I was thinking of the cows which died of disease,being rendered for fat. Even old cows are butchered for meat for humans.Mostly made into "hambuger" and stew meat. You can tell they are old,when the skinned sides are hanging the fat is yellow. Bad shops try and do sell cuts from packer-canner carcasses,as good or even choice meats. The meat is tough,but not many people know the difference.Renderers bought used fry oil in the past,but it is easier to render fresh fat then filter used oil.I would try though,and if you get a source of free fat,make friends. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] bio-cows
When we butchered our steers and older dry milk cows,we would get 50 to 70 lbs of soft and hard fat from each,and this was only easily trimmed fat.I suspect if a whole animal was rendered,the fat content could be 150lbs or more.Times millions,thats a lot of biodiesel. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] waste fat
What a shame,why don't they make biodiesel? It would seem the perfect solution. And pure glycerine is a prime ingredient of body lotions and cosmetics.Most glycerine now comes from rendered pork fat.Cosmetics,lotions,medicines, are a huge market for glycerine.And they probably have a fuel problem as well.Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] bulls
Many transactions to buy bulls are for two to three year olds.They are bought from farms with a track record for conformation, milk production, body build,lean meat production,new breeds for cross breeding ect ect.It depends on many things to the cattle rancher or dairy farmer.Farmers and ranchers want results now. The experiments and progeny results are the realm of the bull farms.We bought our bulls as two year olds.And put them to "work" as soon as they were aclimated to thier new enviroment.We started them with one cow a day,and got them upto five a day.They would get everyother day off.They were penned, we could not allow them to mingle with the herd.They could break a cows back, fight each other, we could not keep records of them,or control thier feed.And they were dangerous.Full grown they weighed 1,800 to 2,200lbs.I know,I took care of them. Its the peoples business to ask questions, and question our governments.We have excellent historical precedence to not trust wh! at we are told.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] anton
I thought I answerd your question. Converters are never really "cleaned" once clogged.The cleaners or treatments you buy in the auto parts stores,which you add to the fuel, help the fuel to burn hotter.Some I have seen are methanol based. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Dick
Air is not pushed into an engine by atmospheric pressure.Air is drawn in by vacuum,created by valve timing.An engine would starve if it relied on atmospheric pressure.As the combustion takes place creating high pressure in the cly, pushing the piston down, the exhaust valve starts to open before the piston reaches the bottom of its stroke. The hot gases rush out,creating a vacuum.Just before the exhaust valve closes, the intake valve starts to open, extending the vacuum into the intake manifold and or the air chamber.This is why timing is so critical,and more so with a racing camshaft.Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] John
You think you have problems with your machine? Mine messes up so often,I sometimes get the urge to shoot it. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Thankyou
Thankyou,Keith and Derek. I learned from you,I like that.Excellent information, a bit scary too.Will the human race poison itself out of existance? stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] skaar
I was talking about breeding bulls. Every herd needs new genetic material to prevent inbreeding.No one I know of is going to spend $40,000 to over $100,000 for a champion blood line bull, to eat.I grew up on a dairy farm,we had 400 milk cows,50 heifers and four registerd bulls, which in the fifties cost $20,000 each.I know a little about farm animals.I belive in murphy's law. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] madcow
One thing which worries me about madcow,is the fact that American farmers regularly buy bulls and bull semen from european countries.(also,Australia,Canada,south America,Africa,ect.)I have read nothing about this in all the "reports".Our government tells us there is no threat of M.C. in this country,because they do not allow bone or bloodmeal to be used in feedstock.From my knowledge with farming and the government,thats like trusting the wolf to guard the sheep.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] anton
Where did you install the converter? It needs high temperature to function.An air injector may help,in the exhaust manifold.As close to the exhaust ports as possible.A clogged converter will put out a sulpher-rotten egg smell even with gasoline.Install a converter as close to the exhaust manifold as you can reasonably get it. Give your bio a boost with 5% methanol, ethanol,or kero. Work up slowly to a 10% mix only if needed and so on.You are not burning enough of the carbons. Your engine "may" be running to cool.Try the next higher temp thermostat. Do one thing at a time,chart the results. Start with the least expensive option,try a hotter thermostat first. Then try kero,it should mix better than the alcohols. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] rapeseed oil
Did they burn the rapeseed oil under the same pressure of most diesel engines? Pressure and high heat are a different animal then high heat alone. Also mentioned is "superior grade of diesel fuel"? Most people are buying #2,a heavier and dirtier fuel.If they would tell us more, to compare apples with apples,it would nice. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] water and alcohol
Many years ago when I was into racing,we used water and/or alcohol injection. It was very popular in the forties and fifties. It provided a good kick,a nice increase in power and a smoother running engine.We used to clean our engines out by pouring a quart of water slowly into the carburetor while running the engine at 3000rpm.Not to much water at a time or you will blow the head(s) off.I learned a lot of oddball stuff from older mechanics.And it worked.If your radiator spung a leak,use pepper. One time I ran out of gas during a snowstorm and it was 15 degrees and about an eight mile walk to the nearset station.I would have frostbite at the least.So I got out and took the gas cap off and pee'd in the tank.The gas pickup tube does not go to the bottom because of condensation and dirt. So there is one to two gallons of gas-water in the tank under the pickup tube.Gasoline floats on water,when I pee'd in the tank the same amount of gas was available for the pickup tube. I got the ! car started and just made it to the station.That was a 55 chevy convertible.In those days the gas tanks had a plug in them to drain them, on the bottom near the differential.There must be thousands of tricks and cuts which work.One of the older mechanics I learned from was Barney oldfields chief mechanic. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Tek S
Thanks, it is rated at 2600 rpm. So I need to run it at 2600 rpm? I'm not to good with electrical.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] musings
A smog pump is an air pump.A very simple system,which injects air into the hot exhaust gas as an afterburner.Helping to burn the unburned gasoline.Something like this could be rigged on a diesel,along with a scubber to burn and filter the carbons,reducing emissions and smoke.The air pump,a.s.s. valve,and injection lines,which are now built into the manifolds. And the exhaust recirculation valve,which is a fancy name for a preheat system.A cold engine dumps a lot of unburned fuel. I lived and worked in Alaska, I drove heavy trucks and other heavy one of a kind equipment. All diesel. At a station I used there was a pump for #1 diesel,a pump for #2, a pump for kerosene,and a pump for white gas. Everyone had extra heaters in the trucks.All kinds of configurations.Gas heaters built into the cabs,using kereo,or white gas. Electric,hot water from the engine to two or three additional heater cores.In the winter when it got into the minus teens and lower,like the minus 60's or minus 80! 's, we would let the trucks run all winter.In those conditions if a truck shutdown,most likely you could not start it untill the spring thaw.I know some people who burnt up thier rigs trying to start them by building a fire under the crankcase.At the north slope it can and does snow in the "summer".In the winter at minus 120 or so, no one moves around much, and nothing works.Steel would snap like a dry twig.The oil rigs are enclosed and heated. To go outside was an ordeal,we had to suit up in special insulated suits,of which I still have two in a trunk.It could take a half hour putting on all the special gear.No flesh could be exposed.All oil,grease,and fuel would be a frozen solid or mass.Sometimes despite all the heaters,crankcase,cooling,trans,diff,axle,fuel tank,fuel lines,injector pump,batteries, and heater strips wrapped around the engine and chargers,everything froze soild anyways. It was an interesting period of my life. The problem of palm oil in any suitable state ! of the U.S. is land cost.A friend has four hundred acres for sale on kuiai, for $40 million.With two miles of beach.No one will use it for palm oil trees.I found a 10kwh propane genset,with 1000 hours for $3000.I am thinking of buying it and later running it on biogas.What do I need to wire it into my house? It comes with a control panel,and switches for 120/240 single phase, 120/240 triple phase,and 60/100 amps.It runs on demand only or continuous.Has a electric starting system. It has a four cly water cooled perkins.Uses one gallon of propane per hour at full thottle.I would only let it run at half speed.The cost is low and it comes with a 500 hour warranty.How much would it cost to hook up? We have 200 amp,240 volt service to our meter.For once my wife agrees with me buying a generator. I have to sneak out to buy tools and such most of the time.And hope our kids don't see me bring anything home.Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] oil burner
If a boiler can burn nasty,filthy,heavy bunker oil. It should be able to burn any oil. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] gastrobot
Great, it made my day. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] #1 diesel
Kerosene is lighter than #1 diesel.Also more volatile.Iv'e seen diesel engines wrecked by people who thought they could use kerosene. Kerosene can be used to thin heavier bunker oil.But bunker is so full of sulfer and heavy carbons,I would not touch it. When ships first switched from steam to diesel they continued to use bunker oil, which had fired thier steam boilers.But a boiler and a diesel engine are two different animals.After untold millions in repairs, and break downs, the shipping corp's finally switched to diesel fuel.A lot of those old tubs using bunker are still in operation,in other countries.Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] toilet paper filter
The J.C. Whitney catalog has it or did have it for years. If it clogs up it will bypass though.You will need a prefilter. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] david t
Better to use your exhaust to run some small assessories. Don't add more gearing. Most of the power lost, is lost in the drive train. Transmission(s),differential(s) and overcoming inertia.Once in motion it does not take much power to stay in motion on a level surface. It takes a lot of power and fuel to get into motion from a standstill or to go up an incline. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] water
You must remember our earth is not a solid globe, ask any caver.The earth is honey combed with caves,passageways,underground rivers,huge domes,volcanic tubes,underground lakes,huge spaces,ect.If you have access to the U.S. geological survey maps of the world,mineral and oil deposits.ect they show some shallow underground river systems,and ancient surface systems,besides the gold, silver and other mineral deposits.There are millions of underground rivers,lakes,large pools ,aquifers,seeps,ect.You most likely live in an area which has been seismographed.If you can get an overlay for your area,showing potential oil-water deposits,you can see were there might be water.We hit water from the surface to about ten thousand feet down. Depending on the strata and many other variables.At those depths the water "sometimes" contained large amounts of sulfur.We have found steam from two hundred to twenty thousand feet.Always there are many variables.There is water almost everywhere,problem? ! how to get to it.Even the sahara and the Australian outback have aquifers, artesian wells,and underground rivers.You have to find the water then figure how to get it. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] refuge
To those who asked. I mentioned high fracture explosives,because if not shot at the exact level the water tables can be affected.Oil and water send back the same signals. We could not tell if we got an oil deposit or water.Many times the water % was so high the well had to be abandoned.The high fracture explosives would affect a large area,and water tables could be lowered or altered.Sometimes oil would be freed up to flow into a water aquifer. Years ago an Italian oil company drilled for oil in the desert of Algeria. They hit ice cold water.Something like 20,000 gallons an hour.The Italians were teed off,but the algerians were happy.A pipeline was built to several towns. The sahara was once a paradise,it is a great basin.The Romans got most of thier animals for the arenas,from what is now the sahara desert.The sahara desert is increasing two to three miles every year,due to people cutting firewood,and not replanting.stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] refuge
I fear for the refuge. I was involved with oil exploration,and have never seen or experienced a "clean" operation.We also worked over, operating wells.When a well slowed in production, we sent down high fracture explosives.Every land production well I have ever seen was filthy,with pollution everywhere. The offshore rigs I was on were mostly clean,due to being controversial, state inspectors spent more time with them.But I saw plenty of illegal stuff on them also.There are to many land oil wells,and not enough inspectors. They would announce an inspection months ahead. stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] fuel-less
If it does not need fuel,why do you need an engine? stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] christmas
We had a good Christmas. I made a sheet of baklava,and greek cookies. We had enough sweets to make a couple gallons of ethanol.And scraps to produce four or five cubic ft of biogas. And leftover oil to power the oil burner for a couple of hours.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] fuels
Each fuel has its good and bad points.At least with methane,you dont need to worry about using up the food supply,except for flys and dung beetles.Manures and weeds work just fine. I belive methane digesters are best used with stationary heat engines, and direct use for the home.As in heating, gas lighting,and cooking.Any fuel by definition is dangerous. If you dont know what you are doing,learn,read,ask,watch,help with a similar project,our join forces with like minded people.Start small,a 55 gallon drum digester.There is plenty of info in the archives,use them. Run the biogas through a filter filled with iron or steel shavings or machining fines,to remove the hydrogen sulfides.It is easiest to use biogas directly. It burns good, and will run a heat engine.Biogas is mostly CH4 and CO2. If you want more CH4, run the biogas through a can of lime water.You will not get all the CO2 out,you dont need too.If you have a greenhouse you could run the first fruits, CO2 into it. Just remember when you next walk into the greenhouse that it is CO2 rich.Also if you do this take a gas sample every day,mourning and evening to check for the start of methane production. Then shut off the piping to the greenhouse immediately.Methane is highly explosive. As for world food production,We should know it is politics, religion, culture and greed. The states are supposed to be able to feed six billion people on a daily basis.If all farmland was pressed into service. But that will not happen anytime soon.Africa has plenty of good land for crops, and export.But because of all the above the people stay poor,malnourished,and illiterate.While thier leaders are fat. I saw huge piles of grain dumped on the docks and ground in india years ago,during a famine in that country.Most of the grain came from the states.I mean huge piles.Hundreds of thousands of tons.The first thing I noticed as I approached from a distance, was the piles seemed to be in motion. Upon getting closer I realized the motion was millions of rats. The piles were entirely covered with rats.While the indians worked in and around the piles doing nothing to the rats.I talked with a guard,and he said it was against the hindus religion to harm the rats.He also said the people will get about 1/4 of the grain,and shrugged his shoulders.I thought it was horrible,and the remaining grain will be contaminated. Just an example,stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Happy holidays
I hope all have a good holiday.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] B.r.david
We were not paid to "not" grow crops.We grew the crops and a government agent would come at harvest time and watch us plow it under or checked the plowed ground to certify the crop was plowed under.It mainly benifitted the large corp. farms. We had a choice to sign up or not to sign up for the program.Though it did help the soil,and the farmers.With the best farm land costing $2,500+ an acre,tractors $80,000+ ect.I understand price supports.The family farm is on its way out in the states.Various programs have been tried to save the small family farm.But the big corp farms always seem to find a loophole and apply the program to themselves.Thus they got the bulk of the funding.The government paper work is always confusing. Us little guys had to try and fill out the applications ourselves. The big corp farms could hire experts to fill out the mess of forms.Most of the people who were supposed to be helped never were. Stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Skaar-leaves
Compost them or chop them up for a digester.What size plot do you have? Cane is a modified grass,Most of the sugar is in the stalk,a litte is in the leaves.Not enough to bother with.If you have access to bagasse,the crushed stalks after milling,you might be able to chop them and soak them in warm water to extract any remaining sugars.Then you need to evaporate most of the water.Better to soak them and run them through a roller mill again.Dry the stalks and use for fuel.Most green, growing grass has a relativily high sugar content,even trees.The sugar maples are the most famous,but many other types of trees can be tapped for syrup as well.They will not produce as much as sugar maples.Mow the grasses and many weeds and immediately squeeze the juices out.You can have the liquid tested for sugar content. stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Keith
Thankyou, I do know a little about ADM. two of my uncles worked for them,one was a top ex. You don't know the inside stories I heard,and from a top ex too.He took his knowledge to the grave,he always wanted an investigation,but did not have the nerve. He needed his pension.And in the past,people who went against them had a way of never being heard again.Stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Sam
Thanks Sam. You explained it much better. There are so many products and byproducts which can be made from corn,there really is no comparison with sugarcane.Corn is so much more valuable. And we know corn.And sugar beets,I would get 20 to 25 tons of sugar beets an acre,80 to 120 Bu. of corn per acre.I was in Louisiana a little while ago, and was surprised, the cane fields which used to stretch to the horizon or the next bayou are gone.Maybe they are still in the"back" country.Catfish, and crayfish farming in tanks is the rage now. stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Seaweed
A methane digester.Mix the seaweed with some manure into a cream consistency. There is lots of info on this site. stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] john
True, I was thinking if you use a thin tube,and there is a slight difference in temp between the ends,the tube could collapse from a small vacuum.Let me know the results you get.Thankyou stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] corn-sugarcane
Corn is labor intensive? Sugarcane is easy? If you have any farm,you already have most of the equipment needed to grow corn.An old two row corn harvester can be bought cheaply.Even a four row picker at auctions. Whomever said that sugarcane harvesting is easy, never did it. I did,and it is back breaking work.I also grew and harvested tobacco,and very quickly understood why slaves were used for both crops.Unless you have the $ to machine harvest sugarcane,and have the roller mills to express the liquid, nothing about it is easy.If you have a good crop, you will have about 15 to 20 tons of cane per acre. Cane is very bulky and hard to handle.I doubt the EPA will allow the burning of the leaves, as used to be the norm,increasing your harvesting problems. Most cane is grown in areas of cheap labor.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] lazers & water cutters
There are wood cutting lazers for $30,000 and up. Lazers are wonderful close up,but as you draw away,power and size must be increased. Which increases costs,ect to a point.Then it changes from a cutting-burning tool to a concentrated light beam, for guidance,measurement,reading ect.There was a place in santa ana, ca. were you could rent time on one for $150 an hour, after a lawsuit that ended. One of my nephews does high pressure plasma cutting.I forgot the name of the process. But it aint cheap either baby.He charges $125 an hour,and would not allow anyone to touch his machines.I could imagine the look on his face, if someone asked him to cut radiator cores.He uses his to cut out broken,corroded,and rusted bolts upto 3" in diameter.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] seaweed
I harvested seaweed off the oxnard coast,first by hand, then a sort of under water mower and conveyor.Very hard work by hand.The boat owner had a contract to suppy a land based sea urchin farm. They were grown in tanks.The "caviar" was shipped to japan. I know that seaweed works very well in a digester. But I do not know of any used for ethanol.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Big auto makers
Hybrids,alternative fuels? I will belive when I see them. But I won't hold my breath waiting for the big auto makers to do so. Something everyone can afford.They have been kicking this around for decades.Something is announced,there is a flurry of news,then? nothing.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] cores
Why not spend the time cutting 1/4" or 3/8" type "M" copper tube into 3/8" or 1/2" lengths? Radiator cores are thin when new, and thinner,corroded, and full of scale and crude,when used.You would probably spend the same amount of time.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] sugarcane
We don't drive a whole lot of rabbits here anyways,and with the cost of land here in the states,sugarcane will not cut it.ADM convinced the big soda producers to sweeten with corn syrup years ago. Many of the cane producing areas cut back or quit,and now grow other crops.Or have been converted to housing tracts.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] david
The 1/2 H.P. diesel I saw was one cylinder,air cooled,cast Iron,and very slow,it drove an irrigation pump.It was tall.There was a 15 or so gallon drum on a stand next to it,with one old faucet valve in the fuel line.A very simple setup.The newer engines are faster and built to closer tolerances,and thus would not last as long,nor could they operate on just any fuel. New technology is not always bettor technology.If the indians are copying the old design,they might be a bettor engine. Just like the M16. Whenever possible we grabbed unto an AK47,and dumped the M16. The ak would operate in horrible conditions, the M16 would jamb and misfire. stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Jerry
Thats the same thing the trans shops told me,when they were trying to charge me $1,100 to $3,500 for a rebuilt tranny. We are only talking about a cup of brake fluid in five to eight quarts of trans fluid.Since I put that cup of brake fluid in my tranny, I have driven the van 85,687 miles. I have been doing so for years,putting some in the tranny's and transfer cases of all my cars,vans,trucks and heavy equipment.I said, I drain the fluid out after about 100 miles,and put in new fluid. My waste oil and trans fluid burn very well in an old oil fired heater,I use to heat my garage once in a while. I used to rebuild transmissions,hydromatics to allisons. And standards, three speeds to twentyfour speeds.Transfer cases,differentials,and multiple clutch packs. This is preventive medicine,it will not cure failing parts,bands,clutch discs ect. It works for me.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] flywheel and aircraft
Thanks guys,good reading and educational.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] skarr
If you can build one in a small package.A two cycle design would be lighter.Something which would have a wider use than just ultralights.Mini generators,small pumps,low amp welders ect, for remote locations, and fit in a backpack.With the new steels available today and composites,try it. Invent something.I did see a diesel of 1/2 H.P. many years ago. It weighed about ninety pounds.It was started by turning it's big flywheel.It was so slow,I always thought it would die at any moment.But it kept on running for years.The gear box and flywheel must have weighed fifty pounds.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] diesel aircraft
The Germans also had the junkers, a diesel aircraft used before and during worldwar two,if i remember correctly.It was used for freight and troop transport.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] diesel fuel
Years ago,truck stops and farm suppliers used to sell # 1 diesel fuel. I cannot find anyone selling it now.I used it in a mercedes to clean it out once in a while.There was #1 and #2, #1 was about .15 to .20cents a gallon more than #2 and that was the problem.Very few people bought it.It was an excellent, clean, and more refined diesel fuel.Some truckers I knew used it and nothing else,saying they got 50% or more MPG.And thier engines lasted several 100,000 miles longer.I tore down some of those old diesel engines that had one to two million miles on them. They were very clean and easy to work on.Of course these drivers took care of thier equipment.Almost everyone I knew ran a tank full of #1 at least once a year.Or put a quart of automatic transmission fluid in thier tank to clean the injection pump and injectors.And a pint of brake fluid in the transmissions to clean the gums and residues out.I put a cup of brake fluid in my automatic tranny when it started to stick and not shift.An old trick we used years ago.It cleans the gum out of the valve body.Then after a hundred miles drain the tranny's and put in new fluid.stephen eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
