subject:"Re\: \[Biofuel\] Disney"

NO! the classic goal of Islam is peace and prosperity, not what these FEW 
high profile whackos are making it out to be. ask any true Islamic person 
and they will tell you that war and killing is against everything the 
religion teaches, just like classic Christianity. the FEW whackos in the 
whitewash house are using Christianity to justify their war, just like the 
FEW whackos who claim Islam as a justification to kill.

Jason
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snip
>
> Islam has been waging wars of conquest on its borders for a long time.
> However, with the US, they have a focus, an excuse. This doesn't mean that
> the US Government is right in its motives either.
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Keith Addison

>i tend not to be politically correct,

So does virtually the whole list tend not to be politically correct. 
But I don't think it's being politically correct to be somewhat 
irritated when oafish brutes such Thor has shown himself to be sneer 
at the plight of their victims and as a bonus we get told we're only 
offended because we're so politically correct. He's not the first 
one, it's part of the style. Well, dropping your pants in church will 
also stir it up, and it also won't get everyone thinking you're so 
intelligent you just have to be a Mensa member.

Thor's results at the Political Compass do show traces of humanness, 
but what he's said here is sociopathic:

> I just don't give a shi...
> I know what I like, want, fear, and hate. I think thats all that 
>matters in life.
> My motto... "I don't care what you think"

This, extremely so:

> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass

The Political Compass errs.

Before 9/11 and what followed I don't think anyone had it in their 
minds that Texas would probably make quite a good glass parking lot 
once it'd cooled down, but it's probably in more than a few minds 
these days. "We're safer now," yeah right.

Thor's big mistake:

>I used to consider myself an a$$ hole

... was to reconsider.

>but there are reasonable limits and RULES man! follow them, and have 
>your own opinion, just dont try to insult people on purpose!

Quite right. Goodbye Thor.

Best

Keith


>Jason
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>
>- Original Message -
>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Fred Finch
>To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?
>
>On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive 
>politicly correct are offended
>
>My work is done
>
>
>From: bob allen <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM
>
>To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>
>so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?
>
>Thor Burfine wrote:
> > Actually, Mensa
> >
> > I just don't give a shi..
> >
> > 
> > *From*: "Fred Finch"
>
> > *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM
> > *To*: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
> >
> > And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as
> > well...
> >
>
> > On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > *From*: Joe Street
> > >
>
> > *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM
> >
> > *To*: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>
> > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
> >
> >
> > This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be
> > turned to glass as well.
> >
> > Thor Burfine wrote:
> >
> > snip
> >>
> >> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass


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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Keith Addison

>Really?  I don't think it will take that long for Keith to return from
>the garden.

You're right, it didn't. None too soon, by the looks of it. From 
farmwork to sewer maintenance, sigh, no rest for the wicked I 
suppose...

Best

Keith


>J
>
>Mike Weaver wrote:
>
> >Dear Joe,
> >
> >Well, now I'm offended.  I hadn't planned on offending you; I was trying
> >to offend Thor.  Nuts.
> >How about if I give you back your offense, I will be offended today, and
> >you can be offended Thursday and Friday?
> >I'm willing to be reasonable, if the above offends you I am willing
> >compromise, and offend Fred for a while.
> >
> >Your only offense is that you were offended.  My offense was muddying
> >the waters.
> >
> >Put me down for 20.00 on a week or less.
> >
> >-Weaver


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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread David Penfold

Paul,

I personally don't have any problem in believing that both Islamism and 
Neo-conservatism are messed-up ideologies (driven by religious intolerance 
on both sides and greed on one). There's no need to draw an either/or 
conclusion.

Islam has been waging wars of conquest on its borders for a long time. 
However, with the US, they have a focus, an excuse. This doesn't mean that 
the US Government is right in its motives either.


>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:54:47 -0400
>From: "Paul Webber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Message-ID:
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
>I do not agree with your statement.  From my understanding of the word,
>bullying is for a more powerful entity to use their power to harass a less
>powerful entity.  I do not believe that terrorists can "bully" the US
>because the terrorists are the underdogs.
>
>Also, I do not agree with the philosophy of "do not walk away because he
>will just shoot you in the back".  That sounds a lot like "stay the
>course".  I believe that some of the terrorists are rational human beings
>that see terrorism as the only option to accomplish their goals.  If the US
>would address some of the wrongs that we have inflicted on them, then maybe
>the sacrifice would not be worth it.  But, I have never talked to a
>terrorist face to face.  I am making assumptions.  I guess that it is
>possible that they are all psychos who just want to hurt the US because 
>they
>are jealous of our power.
>
>I recently got in an argument with a co-worker about the "stay the course"
>philosophy.  He said that if we left Iraq then all of those soldiers would
>have died for nothing.  (I pointed out that he forgot about all those 
>Iraqis
>that would have died for nothing also)  I retorted that I do not believe in
>throwing lives at something just because so many lives have already been
>thrown.
>
>-Paul Webber
>




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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

A modern day Gettysburg.  Pickett's last charge.


Paul Webber wrote:

> I do not agree with your statement.  From my understanding of the 
> word, bullying is for a more powerful entity to use their power to 
> harass a less powerful entity.  I do not believe that terrorists can 
> "bully" the US because the terrorists are the underdogs.
>
> Also, I do not agree with the philosophy of "do not walk away because 
> he will just shoot you in the back".  That sounds a lot like "stay the 
> course".  I believe that some of the terrorists are rational human 
> beings that see terrorism as the only option to accomplish their 
> goals.  If the US would address some of the wrongs that we have 
> inflicted on them, then maybe the sacrifice would not be worth it.  
> But, I have never talked to a terrorist face to face.  I am making 
> assumptions.  I guess that it is possible that they are all psychos 
> who just want to hurt the US because they are jealous of our power.
>
> I recently got in an argument with a co-worker about the "stay the 
> course" philosophy.  He said that if we left Iraq then all of those 
> soldiers would have died for nothing.  (I pointed out that he forgot 
> about all those Iraqis that would have died for nothing also)  I 
> retorted that I do not believe in throwing lives at something just 
> because so many lives have already been thrown. 
>
> -Paul Webber
>
> On 9/11/06, *Gregg Davidson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> *While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents are
> idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than others. When
> you run away from a bully, you only embolden him that much more. I
> hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to wake folks up. *
>
>
> */Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote:
> oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are
> idiots no
> matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also agree
> that the
> present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and "we the people"
> usually
> get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,?
> this would be a REAL step in the right direction.
> Jason
> ICQ#: 154998177
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> - Original Message -
> From: Gregg Davidson
> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>
>
>
> Mike Weaver wrote:
> Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow all
> that money - what is it - 2 billion a week?
>
> And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those stories
> about WMD in Iraq! "Der Schlickmeister" didn't make up any stories
> during
> his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact.
>
> And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promise
> to catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in
> getting BJ's
> in the "Oral Orifice".
>
> Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. I'm
> not at
> fault, I wasn't dumb enough to vote for him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gregg Davidson wrote:
>
>> I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb
> bowling
>> balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, & runs the mini series
>> anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy will
> stand
>> up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight.
>>
>> */Mike Weaver /* wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of
>> the US
>> >Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of
>> Disney, it's
>> >not even
>> >funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative,
>> >against
>> >Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the
>> entire
>> >Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in
>> serious
>> >trouble.
>> >
>> >Read it, then read my analysis of it below:
>> >September 7, 2006
>> >
>> >Mr. Robert A. Iger
>> >President and CEO
>> >The Walt Disney Company
>> >500 South Buena Vista Street
>> >Burbank CA 91521
>> >
>> >Dear Mr. Iger,
>> >

Re: [Biofuel] Disney

I'd get it one piece at a time
And it wouldn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round.
Jason
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> ...And you'll know it's me when I come through your town...
>
> from memory.  YMMV
>
>
> Jason& Katie wrote:
>
>>"i got it one piece at a time, and it didnt cost me a dime..."
>>Jason
>>ICQ#:  154998177
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>>- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:37 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>And the headlights, they was another sight, there was one on the left
>>>but two on the right, but when you pulled the switch, all 3 of 'em came
>>>on.
>>>
>>>-Johnny Cash
>>>
>>>Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the
>>>>libertarian/authoritarian.   not sure what this means either,
>>>>except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scale
>>>>
>>>>On 9/12/06, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67
>>>>libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left
>>>>section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be
>>>>looking this stuff up...
>>>>Jason
>>>>ICQ#:  154998177
>>>>MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>- Original Message -
>>>>*From:* Paul S Cantrell <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>><mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>>*Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM
>>>>*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>>>
>>>>Jason,
>>>>You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice 
>>>> versa.
>>>>
>>>>I prefer the term Progressive.
>>>>
>>>>Ever taken the political compass test online?
>>>>    http://www.politicalcompass.org
>>>>
>>>>You might learn something about yourself.
>>>>
>>>>On 9/12/06, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>is it possible to be both?
>>>>
>>>>Jason
>>>>ICQ#:  154998177
>>>>MSN:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>- Original Message -
>>>>From: "robert and benita rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>>>>To: < biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>><mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mike Weaver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>   I guess, because I believe in small government, personal
>>>>>accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>policy that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>having written
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!
>>>>>
>>>>>robert luis rabello
>>>>>"The Edge of Justice"
>>>>>Adventure for Your Mind
>>>>>http://www.newadventure.ca <http://www.newadventure.ca>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ranger Supercharger Projec

Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Paul Webber

I do not agree with your statement.  From my understanding of the word, bullying is for a more powerful entity to use their power to harass a less powerful entity.  I do not believe that terrorists can "bully" the US because the terrorists are the underdogs.
Also, I do not agree with the philosophy of "do not walk away because he will just shoot you in the back".  That sounds a lot like "stay the course".  I believe that some of the terrorists are rational human beings that see terrorism as the only option to accomplish their goals.  If the US would address some of the wrongs that we have inflicted on them, then maybe the sacrifice would not be worth it.  But, I have never talked to a terrorist face to face.  I am making assumptions.  I guess that it is possible that they are all psychos who just want to hurt the US because they are jealous of our power.
I recently got in an argument with a co-worker about the "stay the course" philosophy.  He said that if we left Iraq then all of those soldiers would have died for nothing.  (I pointed out that he forgot about all those Iraqis that would have died for nothing also)  I retorted that I do not believe in throwing lives at something just because so many lives have already been thrown.  
-Paul WebberOn 9/11/06, Gregg Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than others. When you run away from a bully, you only embolden him that much more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to wake folks up.
Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are idiots no 
matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also agree that the present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and "we the people" usually get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,?
this would be a REAL step in the right direction.JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - From: Gregg DavidsonTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21
 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyMike Weaver wrote:Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to borrow allthat money - what is it - 2 billion a week?
And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those storiesabout WMD in Iraq! "Der Schlickmeister" didn't make up any stories during his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact.
And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its promiseto catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in getting BJ's in the "Oral Orifice".Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. I'm not at 
fault, I wasn't dumb enough to vote for him.Gregg Davidson wrote:> I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb bowling
> balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, & runs the mini series> anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton
 Admistration's Legacy will stand> up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight.>> */Mike Weaver /* wrote:>> >> >> >This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic leadership of
> the US> >Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of> Disney, it's> >not even> >funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and legislative,> >against
> >Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the> entire> >Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in> serious> >trouble.> >
> >Read it, then read my analysis of it below:> >September 7, 2006> >> >Mr. Robert A. Iger> >President and CEO> >The Walt Disney Company> >500 South Buena Vista Street
> >Burbank CA 91521>
 >> >Dear Mr. Iger,> >> >We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming> broadcast of The> >Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless> reports from
> >experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and> serious> >inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the> American people> >about the> >tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day.
> Furthermore,> >the> >manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and> advertised> >suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like> Disney and a
> >major and> >well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to> >cancel> >this broadcast to cease Disney's plans to use it as a teaching
> tool in> >schools>
 >across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply flawed and> >factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public and to> children> >would be a> >gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to
> the law,> >to> >your shareholders, and to the nation.> >> >The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free> broadcast> >license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle
> >obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the> >public interest.> >Nowhere is this public interest obliga

Re: [Biofuel] Disney

...And you'll know it's me when I come through your town...

from memory.  YMMV


Jason& Katie wrote:

>"i got it one piece at a time, and it didnt cost me a dime..."
>Jason
>ICQ#:  154998177
>MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>
>  
>
>>And the headlights, they was another sight, there was one on the left
>>but two on the right, but when you pulled the switch, all 3 of 'em came 
>>on.
>>
>>-Johnny Cash
>>
>>Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the
>>>libertarian/authoritarian.   not sure what this means either,
>>>except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scale
>>>
>>>On 9/12/06, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67
>>>libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left
>>>section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be
>>>looking this stuff up...
>>>Jason
>>>ICQ#:  154998177
>>>MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>*From:* Paul S Cantrell <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>><mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>>*Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM
>>>*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>>
>>>Jason,
>>>You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.
>>>
>>>I prefer the term Progressive.
>>>
>>>Ever taken the political compass test online?
>>>http://www.politicalcompass.org
>>>
>>>You might learn something about yourself.
>>>
>>>On 9/12/06, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>is it possible to be both?
>>>
>>>Jason
>>>ICQ#:  154998177
>>>MSN:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "robert and benita rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>>>To: < biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>><mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>Mike Weaver wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>   I guess, because I believe in small government, personal
>>>>accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>policy that
>>>  
>>>
>>>>I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>having written
>>>  
>>>
>>>>this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!
>>>>
>>>>robert luis rabello
>>>>"The Edge of Justice"
>>>>Adventure for Your Mind
>>>>http://www.newadventure.ca <http://www.newadventure.ca>
>>>>
>>>>Ranger Supercharger Project Page
>>>>http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney




i tend not to be politically correct, but there are 
reasonable limits and RULES man! follow them, and have your own opinion, just 
dont try to insult people on purpose!
JasonICQ#:  154998177MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Fred 
  Finch 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:24 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
  I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the 
  list?
  On 9/13/06, Thor 
  Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  
The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the 
overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is 
done

From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent : Wednesday, September 
13, 2006 8:44 AM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: 
    [Biofuel] Disney

so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even 
cruel?
Thor Burfine wrote:> Actually, Mensa> 
> I just don't give a shi..> > 
> 
*From*: "Fred Finch" 
> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 
AM> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: 
[Biofuel] Disney> > And apparently you have the intelligence 
of a box of sledgehammers as > well...> 
> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:> 
> > > Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a 
sledgehammer > > > > 
> 
*From*: Joe Street > >
> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 
AM> > *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney > > 
> This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can 
be> turned to glass as well.> > Thor Burfine 
wrote:> > snip>>>> My feeling on the 
middle east... we can drill for oil through glass > > > 
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no apology needed, and i really dont think the oil 
through glass comment was appropriate either.
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  Finch 
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  I doubt it.and I do give a shit! (apologies to the 
  list)
  On 9/13/06, Thor 
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Actually, MensaI just don't give a 
shi..

From: "Fred Finch" 
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And apparently you have the intelligence of a box 
of sledgehammers as well...


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wrote:
 




Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a 
sledgehammer  

From: Joe Street < 
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This offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved 
ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote: 
snip 
My feeling on the middle east... 
  we can drill for oil through glass 

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"i got it one piece at a time, and it didnt cost me a dime..."
Jason
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> And the headlights, they was another sight, there was one on the left
> but two on the right, but when you pulled the switch, all 3 of 'em came 
> on.
>
> -Johnny Cash
>
> Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>
>> I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the
>> libertarian/authoritarian.   not sure what this means either,
>> except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scale
>>
>> On 9/12/06, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67
>> libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left
>> section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be
>> looking this stuff up...
>> Jason
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>> *From:* Paul S Cantrell <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>> Jason,
>> You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.
>>
>> I prefer the term Progressive.
>>
>> Ever taken the political compass test online?
>> http://www.politicalcompass.org
>>
>> You might learn something about yourself.
>>
>> On 9/12/06, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> is it possible to be both?
>>
>> Jason
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>> To: < biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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>>
>>
>>> Mike Weaver wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I guess, because I believe in small government, personal
>>> accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal
>> policy that
>>> I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But,
>> having written
>>> this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!
>>>
>>> robert luis rabello
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2006-09-13 Thread dwoodard

It may be that Osama knows too much, and that some people would find it 
inconvenient to have him testify in a court.

Regarding "Osama has won" -

Immediately after 9/11, the UK-based Canadian commentator Gwyn Dyer
remarked that the event was likely part of a strategic plan, and that
we should think carefully before reacting and not follow the
wishes of the planners.

My guess is that Osama had read the "Project For a New American Century" 
long before and was happy to provide the "new Pearl Harbor."

To quote that grand old American philosopher Phineas T. Barnum,
"Never give a sucker a chance."

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada



On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Mike Weaver wrote:

> Whole 'nother kettle of fish.  I was responding to the notion that OBL
> didn't deserve due process - that the US has
> the right to just kill him because we feel like it - which I don't agree
> with.  If GWB had had any sense he'd have kept the goodwill that
> radiated our way after 9/11
> captured OBL AS he promised, and brought charges with the consent of the UN.
>
> I'd have to go looking, but I *do* (usual list caveat - don't have the
> citation at hand, so I'm not hanging my argument on it yet) think
> there's a tape of OBL claiming credit for 9/11 - which I think would
> suffice.
>
> As to the US and the ICC - well, we only want it applied to other countries.
>
> And I think GWB has managed to isolate the US from the entire world.  I
> also can't say the US hasn't broken just about every convention there is.
> There's a piece in this week's Washington Post arguing that OBL has
> already won; the US just hasn't realized it yet.
>
> More later - have to go work.

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Really?  I don't think it will take that long for Keith to return from 
the garden.

J

Mike Weaver wrote:

>Dear Joe,
>
>Well, now I'm offended.  I hadn't planned on offending you; I was trying 
>to offend Thor.  Nuts.
>How about if I give you back your offense, I will be offended today, and 
>you can be offended Thursday and Friday?
>I'm willing to be reasonable, if the above offends you I am willing 
>compromise, and offend Fred for a while.
>
>Your only offense is that you were offended.  My offense was muddying 
>the waters. 
>
>Put me down for 20.00 on a week or less.
>
>-Weaver
>
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LOL apparently spelling isn't on the mensa exam.

Thor Burfine wrote:
 no
  
I find many of the topics here insitful and useful
  
I had a professor once tell me
  
If you are offended, then its your fault.
If you offend me, then its my fault
  
  
I live by that. 
  
   
   From: "Fred Finch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM
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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney 
  
I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?
  
  On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  
The shit is stired, the tempers
are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended

My work is done


From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM

To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?


Thor Burfine wrote:
> Actually, Mensa
> 
> I just don't give a shi..
> 
>

> *From*: "Fred Finch" 

> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006
7:54 AM
> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
> 
> And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers
as 
> well...
> 

> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer 
> 
> 
> 
>

> *From*: Joe Street 
> >

    > *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006
7:25 AM
> 
> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney 
> 
> 
> This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be
> turned to glass as well.
> 
> Thor Burfine wrote:
> 
> snip
>>
>> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through
glass 
> 
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		3,2,1draw your cod soaked in plutoniumYa know I havent had that in a number of years, I think I will enjoy some tonight
		

From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:39 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
		
		Well, as Thor's previous professor of Offensive Rhetoric and Circular Reasoning at Matchbook University, I'm very offended by your heartless comments.I challenge you to a duel: Lutefisk at 50 paces.Name your seconds, Sir.-WeaverFred Finch wrote:> Useless words to live by. >>>> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote:>> no>> I find many of the topics here insitful and useful>> I had a professor once tell me>> If you are offended, then its your fault.> If you offend me, then its my fault>>> I live by that.>> > *From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>> I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?>> On 9/13/06, * Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote:>> The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive> politicly correct are offended>> My work is done>> ----------------> *From*: bob allen < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *Sent* : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM>>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>> so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?>> Thor Burfine wrote:>> Actually, Mensa>>>> I just don't give a shi..>>>> >> *From*: "Fred Finch">> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>>> And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of> sledgehammers as>> well...>>>> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:>>>>>>>> Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer>>>>>>>> >>> *From*: Joe Street>> >>> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM>>>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>>>>> This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be>> turned to glass as well.>>>> Thor Burfine wrote:>>>> snip>>>>>> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass>>>>>>>> ___>> Biofuel mailing list>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> >>>>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> >>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000>> messages):>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ___>> Biofuel mailing list>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives> (50,000 messages):>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>>>> -- > --> Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob> --> -> The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises> in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral> justification for selfishness JKG> >>> ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000> messag

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Dear Joe,

Well, now I'm offended.  I hadn't planned on offending you; I was trying 
to offend Thor.  Nuts.
How about if I give you back your offense, I will be offended today, and 
you can be offended Thursday and Friday?
I'm willing to be reasonable, if the above offends you I am willing 
compromise, and offend Fred for a while.

Your only offense is that you were offended.  My offense was muddying 
the waters. 

Put me down for 20.00 on a week or less.

-Weaver

Joe Street wrote:

>Hey Reavler get it right man;
>
>I was the one who was offended.  Now I am offended that you attributed 
>my offence to someone else.  Follow the list rules dude.  Offence where 
>offence is due. This is just awful, now I feel like my offence has been 
>usurped.  I feel offenceless.  Hey let Thor alone.  I'm already giving 
>odds (offlist) on how long he will last here. ;)
>
>J
>
>Mike Weaver wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I think there's some confusion - I thought Thor was calling Fred "Mensa" 
>>sarcastically, as Fred said the notion espoused by Thor offended him; I 
>>agreed with Fred.
>>
>> 
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Well, as Thor's previous professor of Offensive Rhetoric and Circular 
Reasoning at Matchbook University, I'm very offended by your heartless 
comments.
I challenge you to a duel:  Lutefisk at 50 paces.

Name your seconds, Sir.

-Weaver

Fred Finch wrote:

> Useless words to live by. 
>
>
>
> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
> wrote:
>
> no
>
> I find many of the topics here insitful and useful
>
> I had a professor once tell me
>
> If you are offended, then its your fault.
> If you offend me, then its my fault
>
>
> I live by that.
>
> 
> *From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM
>
>     *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>
> I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?
>
> On 9/13/06, * Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive
> politicly correct are offended
>
> My work is done
>
> 
> 
> *From*: bob allen < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> *Sent* : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM
>
>
> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>
> so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?
>
> Thor Burfine wrote:
>> Actually, Mensa
>>
>> I just don't give a shi..
>>
>> 
>> *From*: "Fred Finch"
>> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM
>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>> And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of
> sledgehammers as
>> well...
>>
>> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>> *From*: Joe Street
>> >
>> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM
>>
>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>>
>> This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be
>> turned to glass as well.
>>
>> Thor Burfine wrote:
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Yes, go away.

Fred Finch wrote:

> I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?
>
> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
> wrote:
>
> The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive
> politicly correct are offended
>
> My work is done
>
> 
> *From*: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> *Sent* : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM
>
> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>
> so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?
>
> Thor Burfine wrote:
>> Actually, Mensa
>>
>> I just don't give a shi..
>>
>> 
>> *From*: "Fred Finch"
>> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM
>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>> And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of
> sledgehammers as
>> well...
>>
>> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer
>>
>>
>>
>> --------
>> *From*: Joe Street
>> >
>> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM
>>
>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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>> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>>
>> This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be
>> turned to glass as well.
>>
>> Thor Burfine wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Hi Weaver (Redler), I think you missed one of the posts done by our friend Thor.He said, "Well
I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer and I don not
believe in being politically correct, so if I offend you, ohh well not
my problem"To which I replied, "And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers aswell..."Hope this clears this up,fred
On 9/13/06, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think there's some confusion - I thought Thor was calling Fred "Mensa"sarcastically, as Fred said the notion espoused by Thor offended him; Iagreed with Fred."My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass" -
pretty offensive.Fed responded:And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers aswell...So I suggested Thor join Densa...So Fredbob allen wrote:
>so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?>>Thor Burfine wrote:>>>>Actually, Mensa>>>>I just don't give a shi..>>>>
>>*From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>*Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM>>*To*: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>*Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>>>And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as>>well...>>>>On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>>>>>>>>Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer
>>>>>>>>------------>>*From*: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>*Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM>>>>*To*: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>*Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>>>>>This offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be
>>turned to glass as well.>>>>Thor Burfine wrote:>>>>snip>>>>>>>My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass
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Useless words to live by.  On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

		noI find many of the topics here insitful and usefulI had a professor once tell meIf you are offended, then its your fault.If you offend me, then its my fault
I live by that. 
		

From: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney

		
		I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?On 9/13/06, 
Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is done
From: bob allen <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM
To: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disneyso mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?
Thor Burfine wrote:> Actually, Mensa> > I just don't give a shi..> > > *From*: "Fred Finch" 
> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM> *To*: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> > And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as > well...> 
> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:> > > > Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer > > > > 
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Yes you're right Randall.  When I wrote that I meant it to provoke a
thought in poor Thor that he might remember the golden rule.  I wasn't
advocating nuking his family. 

Sorry if I came across that way.

Joe

Randall wrote:

  
  
  
  
  And that is not offensive?
  
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This offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned
to glass as well.

Thor Burfine wrote:

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		noI find many of the topics here insitful and usefulI had a professor once tell meIf you are offended, then its your fault.If you offend me, then its my faultI live by that. 
		

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		I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is doneFrom: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disneyso mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote:> Actually, Mensa> > I just don't give a shi..> > > *From*: "Fred Finch" > *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> > And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as > well...> > On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:> > > > Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer > > > > > *From*: Joe Street > >> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM> > *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney > > > This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be> turned to glass as well.> > Thor Burfine wrote:> > snip>>>> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass > > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000> messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> -- --Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Hey Reavler get it right man;

I was the one who was offended.  Now I am offended that you attributed 
my offence to someone else.  Follow the list rules dude.  Offence where 
offence is due. This is just awful, now I feel like my offence has been 
usurped.  I feel offenceless.  Hey let Thor alone.  I'm already giving 
odds (offlist) on how long he will last here. ;)

J

Mike Weaver wrote:

>I think there's some confusion - I thought Thor was calling Fred "Mensa" 
>sarcastically, as Fred said the notion espoused by Thor offended him; I 
>agreed with Fred.
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I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

		The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is done
		

From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent
: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
		
		so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote:> Actually, Mensa> > I just don't give a shi..> 
> > *From*: "Fred Finch" > *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM> *To*: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> > And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as 
> well...> > On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:> > > > Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer > > 
> > > *From*: Joe Street > >> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM> 
> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

I think there's some confusion - I thought Thor was calling Fred "Mensa" 
sarcastically, as Fred said the notion espoused by Thor offended him; I 
agreed with Fred.
"My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass" - 
pretty offensive.
Fed responded:

And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as 
well...

So I suggested Thor join Densa...




So Fred

bob allen wrote:

>so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?
>
>Thor Burfine wrote:
>  
>
>>Actually, Mensa
>>
>>I just don't give a shi..
>>
>>
>>*From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>*Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM
>>*To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>*Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>>And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as 
>>well...
>>
>>On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
>>wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>*From*: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>>*Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM
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>>*To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>*Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>>
>>This offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be
>>turned to glass as well.
>>
>>Thor Burfine wrote:
>>
>>snip
>>
>>
>>>My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass
>>>  
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread bob allen

so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?

Thor Burfine wrote:
> Actually, Mensa
> 
> I just don't give a shi..
> 
> 
> *From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM
> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
> 
> And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as 
> well...
> 
> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM
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> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
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		The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is done
		

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Re: [Biofuel] Disney- these memorials

2006-09-13 Thread Paul S Cantrell

You may want to spend some time with these:Scientists and engineers simulate jet colliding with WTC
http://www.physorg.com/news77212675.htmlWorld Trade Center
Building Performance Studyhttp://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtcreport.htmPay special attention to page 9 of this PDF:
http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch1.pdfIt shows the area of debris field from the 110 story buildings and how far the exterior columns went. The collapse of these buldings was in no way controlled, except by the force of gravity. The scale of the towers (110 stories on a 16 acre site) adds to the perception that it could be controlled, but there were no explosions on lower floors that indicate anything other than the pancake-effect. The outer walls actually peeled outward, but it is difficult to see with all of the debris in the air.
It would require an unbelievable effort and lapse of judgement of thousands of people for the entire engineering and physics scientific community to AGREE on conspiring to skew the results of the science surrounding the WTC site.
There is a lot of emotion embedded in the conspiracy theories around 9/11 and in your email, but no good science or engineering.I don't believe that the current administration orchestrated the events of 9/11, they are opportunistic {insert perjorative term here}s, but they just aren't smart enough, IMHO.
On 9/12/06, Marylynn Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
These September 11 memorials are extremely difficult for me because I do notnow and have never believed this was the work of outside terrorists.Several years ago I watched a documentary about the "bringing down" of .. I
think it was the Sears building .. or some old icon in .. maybe Michigan (orsome other state - details are fuzzy).A demolition company specializing in this line of work was filmed from theplanning stage .. as they inspected, planned, set the explosives, pushed the
timer and brought that building down. I remember very clearly the sight ofhow that building folded into itself.This demolition was preceded by a miniscule inspection of the entirebuilding .. crawling through walls and ceilings inspecting things like steel
structure, riveting, any weakness that may have happened during the yearssince it was built.The actual planning stage was using the original blue prints plus allupdates over the years. These plus the inspection notes were used in
deciding where the charges were to be placed. There were thousands ofcharges in all support positions on both the outside framing and interiorstairwells and elevator shafts of this building.The idea being that the interior charges would go fractions of moments
before the exterior charges bringing the outside walls toward the center.The second stage was the physical placing of the charges and the timers ..taking into account any of those now existing weaknesses .. a huge
engineering task.These charges must be placed in precision order and the timers must go offEXACTLY in the right order .. the results have the building folding in onitself floor by floor .. and in this documentary this was a successful
demolition... in short .. there is weeks and months or longer of work involved to bringabout a controlled demolition... an explosion out of this precision order could topple the building ..having it "lay down" lengthwise.
2 planes hit and 3 buildings were "brought down" .. 1 building had a smallfire that did not and could not have caused structural damage.I don't believe I am the only one who watched that horrible day as those
buildings collapsed perfectly down into themselves ... and had their bloodrun cold .. because, if what I was witnessing was true, then this attackcould only have come from home.There is no other way in my mind that anyone without official, authorized
consent could possibly have had such intimate contact with those buildingsover months of time .. because there is no other way that all 3 buildingscould have happened the way they did.I knew then and I know it now .. these were controlled demolitions.
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney


		Actually, MensaI just don't give a shi..
		

From: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
		
		And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well...On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer From: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I doubt it.and I do give a shit! (apologies to the list)On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

		Actually, MensaI just don't give a shi..
		

From: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AMTo: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
		
		And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well...On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer
 From: Joe Street <
[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:
snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

You could join Densa

Thor Burfine wrote:

> Actually, Mensa
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> I just don't give a shi..
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> 
> *From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM
> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
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> And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as 
> well...
>
> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
> wrote:
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> Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer 
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> *From*: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM
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> This offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be
> turned to glass as well.
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Seconded

Fred Finch wrote:

> And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as 
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Randall




And that is not offensive?

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  This offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones 
  can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snip
  My feeling on the middle east... we 
can drill for oil through glass
  
  

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And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well...On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote: 
Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer 



		
		

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		Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer and I don not believe in being politically correct, so if I offend you, ohh well not my problem



		
		

From: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
		
		This offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snipMy feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Kirk McLoren

The current regime encourages us-them thinking.  The antisemitic pogrom run by Israel isnt possible without it.     As a result we see Arabs dehumanized. And it isnt by accident.  Genuine war crime actually.     KirkJoe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  This offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snip  My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass___Biofuel mailing
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Randall

There were several questions that I felt should 
have had a neutral/don't know/don't care option.

I would have guessed a different score for 
myself...more Right/Libertarian...

Economic Left/Right: -.88Social 
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -.77
The test was fun...but I agree...not very 
accurate.  

A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS, 
but it uses up a thousand times the memory. 

0x2B | ~0x2B
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:48 
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  Well I used to consider myself an a$$ 
  holenow I guess I am a Liberial LeftEconomic Left/Right: -3.25Social 
  Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77Still have no clue what 
  this means, not sure I care.I know what I like, want, fear, and hate. 
  I think thats all that matters in life.My motto... "I don't care what 
  you think"My theme song... Robert Earl King - Rich Young Dumb 
  NymphomaniacMy thoughts on global warming... It happens in nature, we 
  just turbo charged the processMy feeling on the middle east... we can 
  drill for oil through glassI don't think the test is very 
  accurate--If the Brits wore red coats to hide the blood on the 
  field of battle then that explains why the French wear brown 
  pants.

  From: "Jason& Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: 
  Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:36 PMTo: 
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  i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 
  libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have 
  no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff 
  up... 
  JasonICQ#:  154998177MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal 
Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term 
Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org 
You might learn something about yourself.
On 9/12/06, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
is 
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		Well I used to consider myself an a$$ holenow I guess I am a Liberial LeftEconomic Left/Right: -3.25Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77Still have no clue what this means, not sure I care.I know what I like, want, fear, and hate. I think thats all that matters in life.My motto... "I don't care what you think"My theme song... Robert Earl King - Rich Young Dumb NymphomaniacMy thoughts on global warming... It happens in nature, we just turbo charged the processMy feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glassI don't think the test is very accurate--If the Brits wore red coats to hide the blood on the field of battle then that explains why the French wear brown pants.
		

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i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up...
		
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Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself.On 9/12/06, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: is it possible to be both?JasonICQ#:  154998177MSN:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: "robert and benita rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: < biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> Mike Weaver wrote:>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. >>>>>>I guess, because I believe in small government, personal> accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that> I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But, having written > this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!>> robert luis rabello> "The Edge of Justice"> Adventure for Your Mind> http://www.newadventure.ca >> Ranger Supercharger Project Page> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/>>> ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>> --> No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006>>--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser 
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Yeah they drew a lot of soil out of the ground and backfilled with
bodies.

leo bunyan wrote:
Wasn't Vietnam a draw
  
  Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam.

Joe

Fred Finch wrote:

> Let me get this straight...
>
> We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... 
>
> But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had

> limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in

> because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed
people 
> in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have nearly
"Zero 
> casualties," to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring 
> specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and
have 
> 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths,
and 
> civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month,
with 
> limited water and electrical service... etc.
>
> What were we looking for in Afganistan again?
>
> When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have
started in 
> the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is 
> getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter
and 
> you say that cutting and running is a bad idea.
>
> Well, let's stay the course then,
>
> you go first.
>
> fred
>
> 
>


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		No we got our asses kickedAt least thats my opinionNo disrespect the the vets intended, you did what you could with one hand tied behind your back, and Johnson standing on your nuts
		

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		Wasn't Vietnam a drawJoe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam.JoeFred Finch wrote:> Let me get this straight...>> We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... >> But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had > limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in > because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people > in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have nearly "Zero > casualties," to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring > specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have > 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and > civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with > limited water and electrical service... etc.>> What were we looking for in Afganistan again?>> When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in > the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is > getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and > you say that cutting and running is a bad idea.>> Well, let's stay the course then,>> you go first.>> fred>> >___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney-Rush





Wow I never expected to find Rush fans hereand while we're on Rush
lyrics how about these?  


He's noble enough to know whats right
But weak enough not to choose it
He's wise enough to win the world
But fool enough to lose it ---

He's a new world man..


Joe


John M. Sims wrote:
Here is another apt Rush line for you.
  "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand."
  
   
  John M. Sims
  Sims Photographic
  214.507.1164
  simsphotographic.com
  
   
  
  
  On Sep 12, 2006, at 11:42 AM, robert and benita rabello wrote:
  
   Paul S Cantrell wrote:

[VIDEO] Please watch..
  
Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11.  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZc&eurl=
  
  
"We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have." 


    There's a song on a recent Rush CD whose lyrics are appropriate, I
think:

       "The ones we wish would listen
             are never going to hear."

    Thank you for posting this.  I'm SO sick of being labeled a
"liberal" or "terrorist sympathizer" for simply disagreeing with the
blundering response to the terrorist attack that is constantly foisted
upon us by administration supporters as the ONLY sensible path.  

robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney



And I owe you a book - I have friend coming from Japan for a few weeks - 
he said he'd take it back and send it to you...

Keith Addison wrote:

>Nice, Mike! Keep going, don't stop now - we'll make an animist of you yet! :-)
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi robert and List...I think it's funnny this thread "Disney" should 
>>eventually lead to a question of "god."
>>Anyway, excellent clarification of the question, robert.  By 
>>answering "whose god?" we get an idea of the god who is whose god, 
>>IF we've taken the time to understand the individual's or culture's 
>>god.  I would like to suggest further that by trying to understand 
>>an individual's or culture's god, we have our best opportunity to 
>>understand what motivates the individual or culture and, thereby, 
>>the individual's or culture's behavior.  For myself, having been 
>>raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but long long since denounced 
>>any membership, I have struggled with whether or not there exists 
>>"god" at all, and if so, how? Consequently, perhaps this is at least 
>>one reason why my behavior has tended throughout the years to focus 
>>more and more on the thing in front of me and less on the past and 
>>future.  I cannot deny that separateness is an illusion and, of 
>>course, along with it notions of "independence" and "freedom."  All 
>>of of us eat the same dirt, breathe the same air, drink the same 
>>water, at least the essence of the same of each of these, since the 
>>quality of what ultimately reaches each of us can and does vary 
>>dramatically.  Nonetheless, I am taken more and more with what binds 
>>us and what is my essence.  Presently, I am saying consciousness and 
>>curiosity.  What does this mean for my behavior?  Obviously, it will 
>>depend upon the situation, and that's a place I like to occupy. 
>>Leaves plenty of wiggle room to do whatever the heck I want and not 
>>feel bad about myself because I'm not living some "pure" form of 
>>existence.  Recently, I began to think of god in terms of 
>>"intelligent energy" and ultimately consciousness and curiosity. 
>>Then yesterday I was walking a daily walk I take and I wondered what 
>>it might be like to have the whole of the universe spread out before 
>>me and within me with nothing separate from me, everthing resolving 
>>itself as part of me who is conscious and curious.  I had to stop 
>>and start laughing--and crying--and mostly wondering.  I'm still 
>>there today when I have seen this post to the List and an 
>>opportunity to think out loud, if you will.
>>Maybe all of this is random meaninglessness.  Maybe.  I'm 
>>satisfied, however, whatever it is or is not, all of 
>>us are connected and that it is only "the devil in the details" that 
>>deceives us and blinds us to, perhaps, a reality more magnificent 
>>than anything we can imagine.  For some of us, sadly, this "devil" 
>>is the "god" that motivates us, making it seemingly impossible to 
>>ever attempt a real understanding of "whose god?" "who is god?" 
>>Mike DuPree
>>
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>>To: <<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>>
>>
>>>bob allen wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>   Who's god?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>   As in "who IS god"?  Or "whose god"?  The answer to that question is
>>>different in both cases!  : - )
>>>
>>>robert luis rabello
>>>"The Edge of Justice"
>>>Adventure for Your Mind
>>><http://www.newadventure.ca>http://www.newadventure.ca
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And the headlights, they was another sight, there was one on the left 
but two on the right, but when you pulled the switch, all 3 of 'em came on.

-Johnny Cash

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

> I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the 
> libertarian/authoritarian.   not sure what this means either, 
> except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scale
>
> On 9/12/06, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67
> libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left
> section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be
> looking this stuff up...
> Jason
> ICQ#:  154998177
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> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
> Jason,
> You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.
>
> I prefer the term Progressive.
>
> Ever taken the political compass test online?
> http://www.politicalcompass.org
>
> You might learn something about yourself.
>
> On 9/12/06, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> is it possible to be both?
>
> Jason
> ICQ#:  154998177
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> To: < biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>
>> Mike Weaver wrote:
>>
>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I guess, because I believe in small government, personal
>> accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal
> policy that
>> I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But,
> having written
>> this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!
>>
>> robert luis rabello
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>> Adventure for Your Mind
>> http://www.newadventure.ca <http://www.newadventure.ca>
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

That label has been appropriated by a group that:
Has expanded the government, particularly in terms of government intrusion into 
your daily life;
wants to tell who you can and cannot marry - isn't that YOUR responsibility to 
make that choice?
Wants accountability for individuals but noe coporations;
Has done more environmental damage in 5 years than in the last 30;
and has borrowed more money than any other US gov't in History.  I don't know 
what you call them, but they 
are not Conservatives.

Today's Democrat is a Republican from 1950.

I guess, because I believe in small government, personal
accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that
I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But, having written
this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!

Keith Addison wrote:

>>Mike Weaver wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>   I guess, because I believe in small government, personal
>>accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that
>>I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But, having written
>>this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!
>>
>>
>
>It just doesn't make a lot of difference, IMHO, just as long as we 
>can be honest with each other, and especially with ourselves. Now 
>whose wing are you under, that's another matter - jerking the left 
>knee's no better and no dumber than jerking the right one, and the 
>"views" and cherished notions come from elsewhere. Puppets on a 
>string.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>  
>
>>robert luis rabello
>>"The Edge of Justice"
>>Adventure for Your Mind
>>http://www.newadventure.ca
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread D. Mindock

I'd say Vietnam suffered far more than the USA. I think something like
3 million Vietnamese died. Millions more wounded. We left mines, toxic 
chemicals,
big craters throughout the landscape, for them to
contend with.  But we Americans lost too. We lost any claims to being the 
"Good Guys".
It was an ugly war and totally useless. It was a money maker though for the 
defense
industry though.
   It is amazing that so many Vietnamese have immigrated to the US and are 
so
friendly to Americans. My wife and I have some Vietnamese friends that have 
been in the US about
a year and they are so nice to us. It is uplifting that people can be so 
forgiving. I think they
realize that it is governments that make war and that ordinary people love 
peace.
It seems like a war every fifteen years or so used to be good enough. 
But anymore,
war are coming more often. Now we glorify war. We spread democracy through 
war. We are ensuring energy security through war. War boosts our economy. 
Forget that our troops are dying and suffering
terrible wounds or that 100 Iraqis die each day. Or the 8 to 10 billion 
dollars a month the
war in Iraq costs. Or the total loss of the international respect that the 
USA used to have.  Argh!
Peace, D. Mindock

- Original Message - 
From: leo bunyan
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Wasn't Vietnam a draw

Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam.

Joe

Fred Finch wrote:

> Let me get this straight...
>
> We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support...
>
> But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had
> limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in
> because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people
> in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have nearly "Zero
> casualties," to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring
> specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have
> 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and
> civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with
> limited water and electrical service... etc.
>
> What were we looking for in Afganistan again?
>
> When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in
> the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is
> getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and
> you say that cutting and running is a bad idea.
>
> Well, let's stay the course then,
>
> you go first.
>
> fred
>
>
>

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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread leo bunyan

Wasn't Vietnam a drawJoe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam.JoeFred Finch wrote:> Let me get this straight...>> We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support...  >> But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had > limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in > because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people > in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have nearly "Zero > casualties,"  to bring democracy to the middle east,  and bring > specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have > 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths,
 and > civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with > limited water and electrical service...  etc.>> What were we looking for in Afganistan again?>> When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in > the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight.  America is > getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and > you say that cutting and running is a bad idea.>> Well, let's stay the course then,>> you go first.>> fred>>  >___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney




according to the definitions given on the quiz page 
and some reading (i used wikipedia) and a little bit of 2+2 i found a definition 
that makes sense to me- anarcho-communist with a heavy dose of egalitarianism. 
after reading all this stuff, i am still inclined to hate the government (its 
evil, just like mickey mouse) and think that you should be able to do what you 
want with what you have as long as you dont hurt anyone or anything. i dont know 
if the definition is solid, but according to how i think compared to what i read 
it works.
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  i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 
  libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have 
  no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff 
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Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal 
Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term 
Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org 
You might learn something about yourself.
On 9/12/06, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
is 
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  wrote:>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality 
  Liberal. >>>>>>I 
  guess, because I believe in small government, personal> 
  accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy 
  that> I must be a large C, museum-quality 
  Conservative.  But, having written > this, I'd gladly 
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread Zeke Yewdall

I got a -5.03 on the left/right, and a -5.13 on the libertarian/authoritarian.   not sure what this means either, except that it's just about direct opposit GWB on the scaleOn 9/12/06, 
Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 
libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no 
idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff 
up...
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  Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal 
  Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever 
  taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org 
  You might learn something about yourself.
  On 9/12/06, Jason& 
  Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  is 
it possible to be 
both?JasonICQ#:  154998177MSN:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]- 
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biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 
7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> Mike Weaver 
wrote:>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality 
Liberal. >>>>>>I 
guess, because I believe in small government, personal> 
accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy 
that> I must be a large C, museum-quality 
Conservative.  But, having written > this, I'd gladly cross 
the aisle and shake your hand!>> robert luis rabello> 
"The Edge of Justice"> Adventure for Your Mind> http://www.newadventure.ca 
>> Ranger Supercharger Project Page> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread D. Mindock

Very good commentary. Right on! Keith O. Thanks, Paul.

BushCo is an unmitigated disaster. Looking into the Ground Zero hole invokes
the same feeling I get when seeing Bush or Cheney on the tube.

Peace, D. Mindock

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Gregg, et aliter.

[VIDEO] Please watch..

Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZc&eurl=

"We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have."

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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread Keith Addison

>Mike Weaver wrote:
>
> >I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.
> >
> >
>
>I guess, because I believe in small government, personal
>accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that
>I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But, having written
>this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!

It just doesn't make a lot of difference, IMHO, just as long as we 
can be honest with each other, and especially with ourselves. Now 
whose wing are you under, that's another matter - jerking the left 
knee's no better and no dumber than jerking the right one, and the 
"views" and cherished notions come from elsewhere. Puppets on a 
string.

Best

Keith



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Re: [Biofuel] Disney




i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 
libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no 
idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff 
up...
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  Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever 
  taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org 
  You might learn something about yourself.
  On 9/12/06, Jason& 
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  is 
it possible to be 
both?JasonICQ#:  154998177MSN:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]- 
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biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 
    7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> Mike Weaver 
wrote:>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality 
Liberal. >>>>>>I 
guess, because I believe in small government, personal> 
accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy 
that> I must be a large C, museum-quality 
Conservative.  But, having written > this, I'd gladly cross 
the aisle and shake your hand!>> robert luis rabello> 
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Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org
You might learn something about yourself.On 9/12/06, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> Mike Weaver wrote:>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.
>>>>>>I guess, because I believe in small government, personal> accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that> I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But, having written
> this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!>> robert luis rabello> "The Edge of Justice"> Adventure for Your Mind> http://www.newadventure.ca
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Jason& Katie wrote:

>is it possible to be both?
>  
>

Only if you're Libertarian . . .   : - )

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? i guess ill have to look that one up...
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> Jason& Katie wrote:
>
>>is it possible to be both?
>>
>>
>
>Only if you're Libertarian . . .   : - )
>
> robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

the title is appropriate... how in the hell did this get on the air without 
being stifled? i love it! SHOW ME MORE!
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

is it possible to be both?

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> Mike Weaver wrote:
>
>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.
>>
>>
>
>I guess, because I believe in small government, personal
> accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that
> I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But, having written
> this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!
>
> robert luis rabello
> "The Edge of Justice"
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread Andy Karpay

"Cut and Run" is a term coined by the Republicans to explain the
complete Democratic solution (in three words or less, the max amount
they can comprehend in one sitting).  I suggest that the opposite (their
solution) is "Stay and Die".

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From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:58 PM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney

I think it's closer to two billion a week...and there a surprising 
number of Democrats in on the goodies at Carlyle...

Bob Molloy wrote:

> Hi Fred,
> You mentioned a running "debt' of two billion a month 
> to support the Iraq venture but omitted to say that the money is not 
> spent there, it's spent in the good ole US of A. The dollars go to the

> various members of the Carlyle Group whose military/industrial complex

> supplies American forces worldwide. For Carlisle Group read Bush, 
> Cheny, the Saudi family and a scattering of the top hierarchy of the 
> Republican Party. You didn't think the war was really about Bin Ladin,

> did you?  Google "Carlyle Group for details.
> Regards,
> Bob.
>  
>  
>  Original Message -
>
> *From:* Fred Finch <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>     <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
> Let me get this straight...
>
> We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support...  
>
> But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had
> limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in
> because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed
> people in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have
> nearly "Zero casualties,"  to bring democracy to the middle east, 
> and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in
> Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless
> Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2
> billion a month, with limited water and electrical service...
etc.
>
> What were we looking for in Afganistan again?
>
> When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have
> started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. 
> America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a
> platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea.
>
> Well, let's stay the course then,
>
> you go first.
>
> fred
>
> On 9/11/06, *Gregg Davidson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> *While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents
> are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than
> others. When you run away from a bully, you only embolden him
> that much more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to
> wake folks up. *
>
>
> */Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/*
> wrote:
> oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are
> idiots no
> matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also
> agree that the
> present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and "we the
> people" usually
> get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,?
> this would be a REAL step in the right direction.
> Jason
> ICQ#: 154998177
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> - Original Message -
> From: Gregg Davidson
> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>
>
>
> Mike Weaver wrote:
> Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to
> borrow all
> that money - what is it - 2 billion a week?
>
> And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those
> stories
> about WMD in Iraq! "Der Schlickmeister" didn't make up any
> stories during
> his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact.
>
> And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its
> promise
> to catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in
> getting BJ's
> in the "Oral Orifice".
>
>

Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread M&K DuPree

LOL...he was wonderful...wasn't he on with Rocky and Bullwinkle and 
Fractured Fairy Tales??? LOL

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney


> Now you make me feel old - remember Underdog?
>
> M&K DuPree wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith...I guess since this is a "Disney" thread an animist must be
>> one who loves animes!  lol  Not much of a fan of animes.  However, I
>> really miss the cartoons on Saturday morning I grew up with like
>> Heckel and Jeckel,  Mighty Mouse, the Warner Bros 'Toons,' etc.  Now
>> those were some real animists!!!  Who was the main guy's voice behind
>> the Warner Bros characters...Mel Blanc??? We should all build little
>> altars with candles burning to the ultimate animist...Mel Blanc!  His
>> immateriality infuses my materiality all these years after.  lol  Good
>> morning.  Mike
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>> To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>
>> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>> > Nice, Mike! Keep going, don't stop now - we'll make an animist of
>> you yet! :-)
>> >
>> > Best
>> >
>> > Keith
>> >
>> >
>> >>Hi robert and List...I think it's funnny this thread "Disney" should
>> >>eventually lead to a question of "god."
>> >> Anyway, excellent clarification of the question, robert.  By
>> >>answering "whose god?" we get an idea of the god who is whose god,
>> >>IF we've taken the time to understand the individual's or culture's
>> >>god.  I would like to suggest further that by trying to understand
>> >>an individual's or culture's god, we have our best opportunity to
>> >>understand what motivates the individual or culture and, thereby,
>> >>the individual's or culture's behavior.  For myself, having been
>> >>raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but long long since denounced
>> >>any membership, I have struggled with whether or not there exists
>> >>"god" at all, and if so, how? Consequently, perhaps this is at least
>> >>one reason why my behavior has tended throughout the years to focus
>> >>more and more on the thing in front of me and less on the past and
>> >>future.  I cannot deny that separateness is an illusion and, of
>> >>course, along with it notions of "independence" and "freedom."  All
>> >>of of us eat the same dirt, breathe the same air, drink the same
>> >>water, at least the essence of the same of each of these, since the
>> >>quality of what ultimately reaches each of us can and does vary
>> >>dramatically.  Nonetheless, I am taken more and more with what binds
>> >>us and what is my essence.  Presently, I am saying consciousness and
>> >>curiosity.  What does this mean for my behavior?  Obviously, it will
>> >>depend upon the situation, and that's a place I like to occupy.
>> >>Leaves plenty of wiggle room to do whatever the heck I want and not
>> >>feel bad about myself because I'm not living some "pure" form of
>> >>existence.  Recently, I began to think of god in terms of
>> >>"intelligent energy" and ultimately consciousness and curiosity.
>> >>Then yesterday I was walking a daily walk I take and I wondered what
>> >>it might be like to have the whole of the universe spread out before
>> >>me and within me with nothing separate from me, everthing resolving
>> >>itself as part of me who is conscious and curious.  I had to stop
>> >>and start laughing--and crying--and mostly wondering.  I'm still
>> >>there today when I have seen this post to the List and an
>> >>opportunity to think out loud, if you will.
>> >> Maybe all of this is random meaninglessness.  Maybe.  I'm
>> >>satisfied, however, whatever it is or is not, all of
>> >>us are connected and that it is only "the devil in the details" that
>> >>deceives us and blinds us to, perhaps, a reality more magnificent
>> >>than anything we can imagine.  For some of us, sadly, this "devil"
>> >>is the "god" that motivates us, making it seemingly impossible t

Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Mike Weaver wrote:

>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.
>  
>

I guess, because I believe in small government, personal 
accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that 
I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But, having written 
this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!

robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

John M. Sims wrote:

> Here is another apt Rush line for you.
> "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand."


That line is especially appropriate for the R^3 crowd.  "Ignorance 
and prejudice, and fear walk hand in hand." 

Indeed!

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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal.

robert and benita rabello wrote:

> Paul S Cantrell wrote:
>
>>
>> [VIDEO] Please watch..
>>
>> Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11. 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZc&eurl= 
>> 
>>
>> "We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have." 
>> 
>
>
> There's a song on a recent Rush CD whose lyrics are appropriate, I 
> think:
>
>"The ones we wish would listen
>  are never going to hear."
>
> Thank you for posting this.  I'm SO sick of being labeled a 
> "liberal" or "terrorist sympathizer" for simply disagreeing with the 
> blundering response to the terrorist attack that is constantly foisted 
> upon us by administration supporters as the ONLY sensible path. 
>
>robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

"Sooner or later the American people are going to wake up"

-Emma Goldman

Joe Street wrote:

> What does it matter? They are having a good time and living high along 
> the way. They are clever enough to protect the stolen booty too so 
> they don't have to worry about the colapse when it comes.  If the 
> people of that country ever wake up ( which I doubt) it's gonna be 
> some riot.
>
> J
>
> Jason& Katie wrote:
>
>> i wonder if they ever considered what the dollars they were stealing 
>> would be worth after they ran the country into the ground stealing 
>> them? doesnt make much sense to me.
>>  
>> Jason
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>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Bob Molloy <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 11, 2006 7:08 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
>> Hi Fred,
>> You mentioned a running "debt' of two billion a
>> month to support the Iraq venture but omitted to say that the
>> money is not spent there, it's spent in the good ole US of A. The
>> dollars go to the various members of the Carlyle Group whose
>> military/industrial complex supplies American forces
>> worldwide. For Carlisle Group read Bush, Cheny, the Saudi family
>> and a scattering of the top hierarchy of the Republican Party.
>> You didn't think the war was really about Bin Ladin, did you? 
>> Google "Carlyle Group for details.
>> Regards,
>> Bob.
>>  
>> */Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote:
>>
>> oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all
>> presidents are idiots no
>> matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also
>> agree that the
>> present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and "we the
>> people" usually
>> get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,?
>> this would be a REAL step in the right direction.
>> Jason
>>     ICQ#: 154998177
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>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

I think it's closer to two billion a week...and there a surprising 
number of Democrats in on the goodies at Carlyle...

Bob Molloy wrote:

> Hi Fred,
> You mentioned a running "debt' of two billion a month 
> to support the Iraq venture but omitted to say that the money is not 
> spent there, it's spent in the good ole US of A. The dollars go to the 
> various members of the Carlyle Group whose military/industrial complex 
> supplies American forces worldwide. For Carlisle Group read Bush, 
> Cheny, the Saudi family and a scattering of the top hierarchy of the 
> Republican Party. You didn't think the war was really about Bin Ladin, 
> did you?  Google "Carlyle Group for details.
> Regards,
> Bob.
>  
>  
>  Original Message -
>
> *From:* Fred Finch <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
> Let me get this straight...
>
> We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support...  
>
> But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had
> limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in
> because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed
> people in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have
> nearly "Zero casualties,"  to bring democracy to the middle east, 
> and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in
> Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless
> Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2
> billion a month, with limited water and electrical service...  etc.
>
> What were we looking for in Afganistan again?
>
> When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have
> started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. 
> America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a
> platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea.
>
> Well, let's stay the course then,
>
> you go first.
>
> fred
>
> On 9/11/06, *Gregg Davidson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> *While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents
> are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than
> others. When you run away from a bully, you only embolden him
> that much more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to
> wake folks up. *
>
>
> */Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/*
> wrote:
> oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are
> idiots no
> matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also
> agree that the
> present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and "we the
> people" usually
> get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,?
> this would be a REAL step in the right direction.
>     Jason
>     ICQ#: 154998177
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> - Original Message -
> From: Gregg Davidson
> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
>
>
>
> Mike Weaver wrote:
> Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to
> borrow all
> that money - what is it - 2 billion a week?
>
> And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those
> stories
> about WMD in Iraq! "Der Schlickmeister" didn't make up any
> stories during
> his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact.
>
> And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its
> promise
> to catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in
> getting BJ's
> in the "Oral Orifice".
>
> Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame.
> I'm not at
> fault, I wasn't dumb enough to vote for him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gregg Davidson wrote:
>
>> I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb
> bowling
>> balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, & runs the mini series
>> anyway. Sounds to me l

Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Now you make me feel old - remember Underdog?

M&K DuPree wrote:

> Hi Keith...I guess since this is a "Disney" thread an animist must be 
> one who loves animes!  lol  Not much of a fan of animes.  However, I 
> really miss the cartoons on Saturday morning I grew up with like 
> Heckel and Jeckel,  Mighty Mouse, the Warner Bros 'Toons,' etc.  Now 
> those were some real animists!!!  Who was the main guy's voice behind 
> the Warner Bros characters...Mel Blanc??? We should all build little 
> altars with candles burning to the ultimate animist...Mel Blanc!  His 
> immateriality infuses my materiality all these years after.  lol  Good 
> morning.  Mike
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
> > Nice, Mike! Keep going, don't stop now - we'll make an animist of 
> you yet! :-)
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >>Hi robert and List...I think it's funnny this thread "Disney" should
> >>eventually lead to a question of "god."
> >> Anyway, excellent clarification of the question, robert.  By
> >>answering "whose god?" we get an idea of the god who is whose god,
> >>IF we've taken the time to understand the individual's or culture's
> >>god.  I would like to suggest further that by trying to understand
> >>an individual's or culture's god, we have our best opportunity to
> >>understand what motivates the individual or culture and, thereby,
> >>the individual's or culture's behavior.  For myself, having been
> >>raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but long long since denounced
> >>any membership, I have struggled with whether or not there exists
> >>"god" at all, and if so, how? Consequently, perhaps this is at least
> >>one reason why my behavior has tended throughout the years to focus
> >>more and more on the thing in front of me and less on the past and
> >>future.  I cannot deny that separateness is an illusion and, of
> >>course, along with it notions of "independence" and "freedom."  All
> >>of of us eat the same dirt, breathe the same air, drink the same
> >>water, at least the essence of the same of each of these, since the
> >>quality of what ultimately reaches each of us can and does vary
> >>dramatically.  Nonetheless, I am taken more and more with what binds
> >>us and what is my essence.  Presently, I am saying consciousness and
> >>curiosity.  What does this mean for my behavior?  Obviously, it will
> >>depend upon the situation, and that's a place I like to occupy.
> >>Leaves plenty of wiggle room to do whatever the heck I want and not
> >>feel bad about myself because I'm not living some "pure" form of
> >>existence.  Recently, I began to think of god in terms of
> >>"intelligent energy" and ultimately consciousness and curiosity.
> >>Then yesterday I was walking a daily walk I take and I wondered what
> >>it might be like to have the whole of the universe spread out before
> >>me and within me with nothing separate from me, everthing resolving
> >>itself as part of me who is conscious and curious.  I had to stop
> >>and start laughing--and crying--and mostly wondering.  I'm still
> >>there today when I have seen this post to the List and an
> >>opportunity to think out loud, if you will.
> >> Maybe all of this is random meaninglessness.  Maybe.  I'm
> >>satisfied, however, whatever it is or is not, all of
> >>us are connected and that it is only "the devil in the details" that
> >>deceives us and blinds us to, perhaps, a reality more magnificent
> >>than anything we can imagine.  For some of us, sadly, this "devil"
> >>is the "god" that motivates us, making it seemingly impossible to
> >>ever attempt a real understanding of "whose god?" "who is god?"
> >>Mike DuPree
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "robert and benita rabello" 
> <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@shaw.ca>>
> >>To: 
> <<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@sustainablelists.org>>
> >>Sent:

Re: [Biofuel] Disney

ooo i like it. lets go!
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  So you are saying that the world should stand up to George Bush 
  instead of cowering in fear like we are?JGregg Davidson 
  wrote:
  While I do not subscribe to your theory that all 
presidents are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than others. 
When you run away from a bully, you only embolden him that much more. I 
hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to wake folks up.  

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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread John M. Sims

Here is another apt Rush line for you."Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand." John M. SimsSims Photographic214.507.1164simsphotographic.com On Sep 12, 2006, at 11:42 AM, robert and benita rabello wrote: Paul S Cantrell wrote:  [VIDEO] Please watch..   Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11.    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZc&eurl= "We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have."     There's a song on a recent Rush CD whose lyrics are appropriate, I think:         "The ones we wish would listen              are never going to hear."      Thank you for posting this.  I'm SO sick of being labeled a "liberal" or "terrorist sympathizer" for simply disagreeing with the blundering response to the terrorist attack that is constantly foisted upon us by administration supporters as the ONLY sensible path.    robert luis rabello
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TouchéOn 9/12/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

		

		There is a problem with perfect.The problem is, if you are perfect then there is no room to grow.If there is no room to grow you become stagnateif you become stagnate then you become complacent
if you become complacent you become your own imaginary friend.Therefore unless you are a God to begin with perfection is useless



		
		

From: "Paul S Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:58 AM
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		You may be Thor, but I am perfect!Given that I am nobody.and nobody is perfect.Therefore, I am perfect.HA!  ;-DOn 9/11/06, 
Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well then...Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then Iwin...Thor
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MY GOD.Your god is wrong. MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky."Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend"
-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch "We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very average star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion galaxies. So it is difficult to believe in a God that would care about us or even notice our existence."  -Stephen Hawking


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Paul S Cantrell wrote:

[VIDEO] Please watch..
  
Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11.  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZc&eurl=
  
  
"We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have."
  


    There's a song on a recent Rush CD whose lyrics are appropriate, I
think:

       "The ones we wish would listen
             are never going to hear."

    Thank you for posting this.  I'm SO sick of being labeled a
"liberal" or "terrorist sympathizer" for simply disagreeing with the
blundering response to the terrorist attack that is constantly foisted
upon us by administration supporters as the ONLY sensible path.  


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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread M&K DuPree




Thanks Paul for posting.  Gregg and 
his kind will never understand it, I'm so sad to say.  Mike 
DuPree

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  Gregg, et aliter.[VIDEO] Please watch..Keith 
  Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZc&eurl= 
  "We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have." -- 
  Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by 
  flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make 
  clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at 
  the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - 
  Gamal Abdel Nasser 
  
  

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What does it matter? They are having a good time and living high along
the way. They are clever enough to protect the stolen booty too so they
don't have to worry about the colapse when it comes.  If the people of
that country ever wake up ( which I doubt) it's gonna be some riot.

J

Jason& Katie wrote:

  
  
  
  i wonder if they ever considered
what the dollars they were stealing would be worth after they ran the
country into the ground stealing them? doesnt make much sense to me.
   
  Jason
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Hi Fred, 
    You mentioned a
running "debt' of two billion a month to support the Iraq venture but
omitted to say that the money is not spent there, it's spent in the
good ole US of A. The dollars go to the various members of the
Carlyle Group whose military/industrial complex supplies American
forces worldwide. For Carlisle Group read Bush, Cheny, the Saudi family
and a scattering of the top hierarchy of the Republican Party. You
didn't think the war was really about Bin Ladin, did you?  Google
"Carlyle Group for details. 
Regards,
Bob.
 
Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: 

  
  
 
oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree
that all presidents are idiots no 
matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also agree that
the 
present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and "we the people"
usually 
get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,? 
this would be a REAL step in the right direction.
Jason
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread Thor Burfine


		

		There is a problem with perfect.The problem is, if you are perfect then there is no room to grow.If there is no room to grow you become stagnateif you become stagnate then you become complacentif you become complacent you become your own imaginary friend.Therefore unless you are a God to begin with perfection is useless



		
		

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		You may be Thor, but I am perfect!Given that I am nobody.and nobody is perfect.Therefore, I am perfect.HA!  ;-DOn 9/11/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Well then...Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then Iwin...Thor[EMAIL PROTECTED]Any and all attachment have been scanned by Avast antivirus.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Mike WeaverSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:46 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyMY GOD.Your god is wrong. MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky."Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend"-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch "We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very average star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion galaxies. So it is difficult to believe in a God that would care about us or even notice our existence."  -Stephen Hawking
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread M&K DuPree




Hi Keith...I guess since 
this is a "Disney" thread an animist must be one who loves animes!  
lol  Not much of a fan of animes.  However, I really miss the cartoons 
on Saturday morning I grew up with like Heckel and Jeckel,  Mighty Mouse, 
the Warner Bros 'Toons,' etc.  Now those were some real animists!!!  
Who was the main guy's voice behind the Warner Bros characters...Mel 
Blanc??? We should all build little altars with candles burning to the 
ultimate animist...Mel Blanc!  His immateriality infuses my materiality all 
these years after.  lol  Good morning.  Mike
 
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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:12 
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
Disney
> Nice, Mike! Keep going, don't stop now - we'll 
make an animist of you yet! :-)> > Best> > 
Keith> > >>Hi robert and List...I think it's funnny this 
thread "Disney" should >>eventually lead to a question of 
"god.">> Anyway, excellent clarification of 
the question, robert.  By >>answering "whose god?" we get an idea 
of the god who is whose god, >>IF we've taken the time to understand 
the individual's or culture's >>god.  I would like to suggest 
further that by trying to understand >>an individual's or culture's 
god, we have our best opportunity to >>understand what motivates the 
individual or culture and, thereby, >>the individual's or culture's 
behavior.  For myself, having been >>raised in the Roman Catholic 
Church, but long long since denounced >>any membership, I have 
struggled with whether or not there exists >>"god" at all, and if so, 
how? Consequently, perhaps this is at least >>one reason why my 
behavior has tended throughout the years to focus >>more and more on 
the thing in front of me and less on the past and >>future.  I 
cannot deny that separateness is an illusion and, of >>course, along 
with it notions of "independence" and "freedom."  All >>of of us 
eat the same dirt, breathe the same air, drink the same >>water, at 
least the essence of the same of each of these, since the >>quality of 
what ultimately reaches each of us can and does vary 
>>dramatically.  Nonetheless, I am taken more and more with what 
binds >>us and what is my essence.  Presently, I am saying 
consciousness and >>curiosity.  What does this mean for my 
behavior?  Obviously, it will >>depend upon the situation, and 
that's a place I like to occupy. >>Leaves plenty of wiggle room to do 
whatever the heck I want and not >>feel bad about myself because I'm 
not living some "pure" form of >>existence.  Recently, I began to 
think of god in terms of >>"intelligent energy" and ultimately 
consciousness and curiosity. >>Then yesterday I was walking a daily 
walk I take and I wondered what >>it might be like to have the whole 
of the universe spread out before >>me and within me with nothing 
separate from me, everthing resolving >>itself as part of me who is 
conscious and curious.  I had to stop >>and start laughing--and 
crying--and mostly wondering.  I'm still >>there today when I 
have seen this post to the List and an >>opportunity to think out 
loud, if you will.>> Maybe all of this is 
random meaninglessness.  Maybe.  I'm >>satisfied, however, 
whatever it is or is not, all of >>us are connected and that it is 
only "the devil in the details" that >>deceives us and blinds us to, 
perhaps, a reality more magnificent >>than anything we can 
imagine.  For some of us, sadly, this "devil" >>is the "god" that 
motivates us, making it seemingly impossible to >>ever attempt a real 
understanding of "whose god?" "who is god?" >>Mike 
DuPree>>>>- Original Message ->>From: 
"robert and benita rabello" <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>To: <<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 
1:31 PM>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>>> > 
bob allen wrote:>> >>> >>    Who's 
god?>> >> >> >>>> >>> 
>    As in "who IS god"?  Or "whose god"?  The 
answer to that question is>> > different in both cases!  : - 
)>> >>> > robert luis rabello>> > "The 
Edge of Justice">> > Adventure for Your Mind>> > 
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

They found out about the drag stuff?
That was Redler.  His stage name is Pinkler.

Joe Street wrote:

>It's actually Kim Reavler ( I hacked the NSA database) she cleverly took 
>two male aliases by reversing her first name and playing silly buggers 
>with the letters of her last name.  And yes she does like to dress in drag.
>
>j
>
>Fred Finch wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hey Weaver (Redler,)
>>
>>Got yer pirate costume on?
>>
>>fred
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

"Actually we are all atheists.  When you understand why you have 
rejected every other God but one, then you will understand why I have 
rejected yours".

   -Author unknown




Mike Weaver wrote:

>This talk is dangerous:
>
>Pascal's Wager
>Expresses the conviction that belief in God is rational; if God does not 
>exist, one stands to lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does 
>exist, one stands to lose everything by not believing.
>
>  
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It's actually Kim Reavler ( I hacked the NSA database) she cleverly took 
two male aliases by reversing her first name and playing silly buggers 
with the letters of her last name.  And yes she does like to dress in drag.

j

Fred Finch wrote:

> Hey Weaver (Redler,)
>
> Got yer pirate costume on?
>
> fred
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Whole 'nother kettle of fish.  I was responding to the notion that OBL 
didn't deserve due process - that the US has
the right to just kill him because we feel like it - which I don't agree 
with.  If GWB had had any sense he'd have kept the goodwill that 
radiated our way after 9/11
captured OBL AS he promised, and brought charges with the consent of the UN.

I'd have to go looking, but I *do* (usual list caveat - don't have the 
citation at hand, so I'm not hanging my argument on it yet) think 
there's a tape of OBL claiming credit for 9/11 - which I think would 
suffice.

As to the US and the ICC - well, we only want it applied to other countries.

And I think GWB has managed to isolate the US from the entire world.  I 
also can't say the US hasn't broken just about every convention there is.
There's a piece in this week's Washington Post arguing that OBL has 
already won; the US just hasn't realized it yet.

More later - have to go work.

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hi Mike and all
>
>  
>
>>>The Jihad that would have come from 'taking Osama' would have
>>>rivaled 9/11 several times over.  Real Presidents weigh perceived
>>>costs versus gains withe information available.*>>Maybe yes, maybe
>>>no. Clinton had no intention of taking OBL because he wanted him
>>>prosecuted in the criminal justice system because like other
>>>Liberals he considered OBL to be a criminal.<<*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Which is still what he is.
>>
>>
>
>What has he been convicted of? What is he charged with? Charges 
>levelled against him do not make him a criminal until/unless he is 
>convicted; until then he is presumed innocent. If such charges are 
>levelled by the US, then it should be noted that the US is guilty of 
>the illegal invasion of a sovereign state and of many other ongoing 
>infringements of the Geneva Convention, and is in fact an 
>international criminal. Can criminal charges brought by a criminal 
>have any credibility? It seems that in the world at large Osama bin 
>Laden has more credibility and commands more respect than does the 
>US, especially "Washington" - very large numbers of people see the US 
>as a criminal but they don't see Bin Laden as a criminal. Those who 
>think this way have a point: they see Bin Laden as a master 
>strategist who makes his all-powerful enemies do whatever he wants 
>them to. Kind of hard to argue against that. AND HE DOESN'T TELL LIES.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Where's your point?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Pretend Presidents declare war on nouns.*>>You forgot
>>>aspirin/ibuprofen/acetometephine factories & empty buildings.<<*
>>>
>>>On 9/10/06, *Gregg Davidson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm not upset. I know that Clinton wouldn't take Osama on a
>>>silver platter 3 times. The atack may have come come on Bush's
>>>watch, but the inaction came on Clinton's, the first WTC
>>>bombing, Simalia, the USS Cole. I'm sure there is more than
>>>that.
>>>
>>>The Dems/Libs would try the same thing if God Himself told
>>>what happened.
>>>
>>>
>>>*/DHAJOGLO < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >/*
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>Gregg,
>>>I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs
>>>thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt
>>>that Clinton's administration could have done things
>>>differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's
>>>watch and the seeds were planted over several years.
>>>
>>>On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote:
>>>  
>>>
Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come


>>>up with something better than that?
>>>
>>>Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The
>>>country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the
>>>nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse
>>>then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service
>>>men and women? Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their
>>>lives in 9/11?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I'm so sorry we pissed off "Uncle" Osama. We'd better not


>>>make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the
>>>ACLU on us.
>>>
>>>Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his
>>>actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide
>>>from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more
>>>at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even
>>>including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing
>>>Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places
>>>blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration
>>>is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic an

Re: [Biofuel] Disney





So you are saying that the world should stand up to George Bush instead
of cowering in fear like we are?

J

Gregg Davidson wrote:
While I do not subscribe to your theory that all
presidents are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than
others. When you run away from a bully, you only embolden him that much
more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to wake folks up.
  
  



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They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam.

Joe

Fred Finch wrote:

> Let me get this straight...
>
> We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support...  
>
> But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had 
> limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in 
> because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people 
> in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have nearly "Zero 
> casualties,"  to bring democracy to the middle east,  and bring 
> specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have 
> 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and 
> civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with 
> limited water and electrical service...  etc.
>
> What were we looking for in Afganistan again?
>
> When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in 
> the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight.  America is 
> getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and 
> you say that cutting and running is a bad idea.
>
> Well, let's stay the course then,
>
> you go first.
>
> fred
>
>  
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Gregg, et aliter.[VIDEO] Please watch..Keith Olbermann's special commentary on the 5th anniversary of 9/11.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmV_M0LzZc&eurl=
"We have not forgotten, Mr. President, you have."
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Nuts.

bob allen wrote:

>gosh, this list provides an astounding wealth of information.
>
>Paul S Cantrell wrote:
>  
>
>>Mike,
>>Talk Like a Pirate Day is not until next Tuesday, September 19th.
>>
>>http://www.talklikeapirateday.com
>>
>>On 9/11/06, * Mike Weaver* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> wrote:
>>
>>Arrgghh,
>>
>>Aye matey.
>>
>>Fred Finch wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Weaver (Redler,)
>> >
>> > Got yer pirate costume on?
>> >
>> > fred
>> >
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Thanks,
>>PC
>>
>>He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
>>
>>The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid 
>>moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the 
>>possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - 
>>Gamal Abdel Nasser
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Reminds me of the punchline to a joke I shouldn't tell...

Paul S Cantrell wrote:

> You may be Thor, but I am perfect!
>
> Given that I am nobody.
> and nobody is perfect.
> Therefore, I am perfect.
>
> HA!  ;-D
>
> On 9/11/06, *Thor Burfine * <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
> wrote:
>
> Well then...
> Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend,
> then I
> win...
>
>
> Thor
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Any and all attachment have been scanned by Avast antivirus.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Mike
> Weaver
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:46 PM
> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
> MY GOD.
>
> Your god is wrong.
>
> MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky.
>
> "Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend"
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Thanks,
> PC
>
> He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
>
> "We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very 
> average star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion 
> galaxies. So it is difficult to believe in a God that would care about 
> us or even notice our existence."  -Stephen Hawking
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

You may be Thor, but I am perfect!Given that I am nobody.and nobody is perfect.Therefore, I am perfect.HA!  ;-DOn 9/11/06, Thor Burfine
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Well then...
Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then Iwin...Thor[EMAIL PROTECTED]Any and all attachment have been scanned by Avast antivirus.
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
] On Behalf Of Mike WeaverSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:46 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyMY GOD.Your god is wrong.
MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky."Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend"-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
"We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very average
star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion galaxies. So it
is difficult to believe in a God that would care about us or even
notice our existence."  -Stephen Hawking
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread bob allen

gosh, this list provides an astounding wealth of information.

Paul S Cantrell wrote:
> Mike,
> Talk Like a Pirate Day is not until next Tuesday, September 19th.
> 
> http://www.talklikeapirateday.com
> 
> On 9/11/06, * Mike Weaver* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> Arrgghh,
> 
> Aye matey.
> 
> Fred Finch wrote:
> 
>  > Hey Weaver (Redler,)
>  >
>  > Got yer pirate costume on?
>  >
>  > fred
>  >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> PC
> 
> He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
> 
> The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid 
> moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the 
> possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - 
> Gamal Abdel Nasser
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Mike,Talk Like a Pirate Day is not until next Tuesday, September 19th.http://www.talklikeapirateday.comOn 9/11/06, 
Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Arrgghh,Aye matey.Fred Finch wrote:> Hey Weaver (Redler,)>> Got yer pirate costume on?>> fred>-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch
The genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread Fritz Friesinger




Eh Gustl,
you hit the Nail 
Fritz

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gustl 
  Steiner-Zehender 
  To: Fritz Friesinger 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:16 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
  Jano Bua,Du denkst: Macht es nicht.Jason 
  denkt:  Es macht mir nichts.Ich denke:  Mir ist es 
  Wurst.  hihihiMach's guat. ;o)Pfüatdigod und Happy 
  Happy,GustlTuesday, 12 September, 2006, 06:14:30, you 
  wrote:FF> Eh Jason,FF> Your german needs some workover too 
  et means :dont due it!FF> Fritz FF>   - Original 
  Message - FF>   From: Jason& Katie 
  FF>   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  FF>   Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:05 
  PMFF>   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
  DisneyFF>   your german needs work. Machs /nicht/ 
  means " it makes nothing" or "it doesnt matter" Machs nich is a 
  sneeze..snip...-- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott 
  von uns.We can't change the winds but we can adjust our 
  sails.The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle 
  slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
  without signposts.  C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape 
  Letters"Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, 
  daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder 
  wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.Those who dance are considered 
  insane by those who can'thear the music.  George 
  CarlinThe best portion of a good man's life -His little, 
  nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.William 
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender

Jano Bua,

Du denkst: Macht es nicht.

Jason denkt:  Es macht mir nichts.

Ich denke:  Mir ist es Wurst.  hihihi

Mach's guat. ;o)

Pfüatdigod und Happy Happy,

Gustl

Tuesday, 12 September, 2006, 06:14:30, you wrote:

FF> Eh Jason,
FF> Your german needs some workover too et means :dont due it!
FF> Fritz 
FF>   - Original Message - 
FF>   From: Jason& Katie 
FF>   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
FF>   Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:05 PM
FF>   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney


FF>   your german needs work. Machs /nicht/ means " it makes nothing" or "it 
doesnt matter" Machs nich is a sneeze...
...snip...
-- 
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.

We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails.

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, 
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, 
without signposts.  
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"

Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, 
daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht 
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.

Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
George Carlin

The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
William Wordsworth



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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

>MY GOD.
>
>Your god is wrong.
>
>MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky.
>
>"Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend"

All is explained:

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44096.html
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution

("remember there is a big difference
between kneeling down and bending over...")

Best

Keith


>bob allen wrote:
>
> >Gregg Davidson wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I'm not upset. I know that Clinton wouldn't take Osama on a silver
> >>platter 3 times. The atack may have come come on Bush's watch, but the
> >>inaction came on Clinton's, the first WTC bombing, Simalia, the USS
> >>Cole. I'm sure there is more than that.
> >>
> >>The Dems/Libs would try the same thing if God Himself told what happened.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Who's god?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>*/DHAJOGLO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
> >>
> >>Gregg,
> >>I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it
> >>comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's
> >>administration could have done things differently but remember, the
> >>attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over
> >>several years.
> >>
> >>On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote:
> >> > Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with
> >>something better than that?
> >>
> >>Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was
> >>outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you
> >>suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to
> >>the deaths of the US's service men and women? Or a lie about why
> >>3000 people lost their lives in 9/11?
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I'm so sorry we pissed off "Uncle" Osama. We'd better not make
> >>him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us.
> >>
> >>Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on
> >>one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And
> >>my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two
> >>presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's
> >>successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to
> >>propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the
> >>Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic
> >>and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie
> >>about why and how it happened.
> >>
> >>-dave


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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Hi Mike and all

> > The Jihad that would have come from 'taking Osama' would have
> > rivaled 9/11 several times over.  Real Presidents weigh perceived
> > costs versus gains withe information available.*>>Maybe yes, maybe
> > no. Clinton had no intention of taking OBL because he wanted him
> > prosecuted in the criminal justice system because like other
> > Liberals he considered OBL to be a criminal.<<*
> >
>Which is still what he is.

What has he been convicted of? What is he charged with? Charges 
levelled against him do not make him a criminal until/unless he is 
convicted; until then he is presumed innocent. If such charges are 
levelled by the US, then it should be noted that the US is guilty of 
the illegal invasion of a sovereign state and of many other ongoing 
infringements of the Geneva Convention, and is in fact an 
international criminal. Can criminal charges brought by a criminal 
have any credibility? It seems that in the world at large Osama bin 
Laden has more credibility and commands more respect than does the 
US, especially "Washington" - very large numbers of people see the US 
as a criminal but they don't see Bin Laden as a criminal. Those who 
think this way have a point: they see Bin Laden as a master 
strategist who makes his all-powerful enemies do whatever he wants 
them to. Kind of hard to argue against that. AND HE DOESN'T TELL LIES.

Best

Keith


>Where's your point?
>
> >
> > Pretend Presidents declare war on nouns.*>>You forgot
> > aspirin/ibuprofen/acetometephine factories & empty buildings.<<*
> >
> > On 9/10/06, *Gregg Davidson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > I'm not upset. I know that Clinton wouldn't take Osama on a
> > silver platter 3 times. The atack may have come come on Bush's
> > watch, but the inaction came on Clinton's, the first WTC
> > bombing, Simalia, the USS Cole. I'm sure there is more than
> > that.
> >
> > The Dems/Libs would try the same thing if God Himself told
> > what happened.
> >
> >
> > */DHAJOGLO < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >/*
> > wrote:
> >
> > Gregg,
> > I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs
> > thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt
> > that Clinton's administration could have done things
> > differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's
> > watch and the seeds were planted over several years.
> >
> > On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote:
> >> Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come
> > up with something better than that?
> >
> > Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The
> > country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the
> > nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse
> > then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service
> > men and women? Or a lie about why 3000 people lost their
> > lives in 9/11?
> >
> >>
> >> I'm so sorry we pissed off "Uncle" Osama. We'd better not
> > make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the
> > ACLU on us.
> >
> > Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his
> > actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide
> > from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more
> > at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even
> > including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing
> > Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places
> > blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration
> > is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and
> > un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to
> > lie about why and how it happened.
> >
> > -dave
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

Nice, Mike! Keep going, don't stop now - we'll make an animist of you yet! :-)

Best

Keith


>Hi robert and List...I think it's funnny this thread "Disney" should 
>eventually lead to a question of "god."
> Anyway, excellent clarification of the question, robert.  By 
>answering "whose god?" we get an idea of the god who is whose god, 
>IF we've taken the time to understand the individual's or culture's 
>god.  I would like to suggest further that by trying to understand 
>an individual's or culture's god, we have our best opportunity to 
>understand what motivates the individual or culture and, thereby, 
>the individual's or culture's behavior.  For myself, having been 
>raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but long long since denounced 
>any membership, I have struggled with whether or not there exists 
>"god" at all, and if so, how? Consequently, perhaps this is at least 
>one reason why my behavior has tended throughout the years to focus 
>more and more on the thing in front of me and less on the past and 
>future.  I cannot deny that separateness is an illusion and, of 
>course, along with it notions of "independence" and "freedom."  All 
>of of us eat the same dirt, breathe the same air, drink the same 
>water, at least the essence of the same of each of these, since the 
>quality of what ultimately reaches each of us can and does vary 
>dramatically.  Nonetheless, I am taken more and more with what binds 
>us and what is my essence.  Presently, I am saying consciousness and 
>curiosity.  What does this mean for my behavior?  Obviously, it will 
>depend upon the situation, and that's a place I like to occupy. 
>Leaves plenty of wiggle room to do whatever the heck I want and not 
>feel bad about myself because I'm not living some "pure" form of 
>existence.  Recently, I began to think of god in terms of 
>"intelligent energy" and ultimately consciousness and curiosity. 
>Then yesterday I was walking a daily walk I take and I wondered what 
>it might be like to have the whole of the universe spread out before 
>me and within me with nothing separate from me, everthing resolving 
>itself as part of me who is conscious and curious.  I had to stop 
>and start laughing--and crying--and mostly wondering.  I'm still 
>there today when I have seen this post to the List and an 
>opportunity to think out loud, if you will.
> Maybe all of this is random meaninglessness.  Maybe.  I'm 
>satisfied, however, whatever it is or is not, all of 
>us are connected and that it is only "the devil in the details" that 
>deceives us and blinds us to, perhaps, a reality more magnificent 
>than anything we can imagine.  For some of us, sadly, this "devil" 
>is the "god" that motivates us, making it seemingly impossible to 
>ever attempt a real understanding of "whose god?" "who is god?" 
>Mike DuPree
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "robert and benita rabello" <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
>
> > bob allen wrote:
> >
> >>Who's god?
> >> 
> >>
> >
> >As in "who IS god"?  Or "whose god"?  The answer to that question is
> > different in both cases!  : - )
> >
> > robert luis rabello
> > "The Edge of Justice"
> > Adventure for Your Mind
> > <http://www.newadventure.ca>http://www.newadventure.ca
> >
> > Ranger Supercharger Project Page
> > <http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/>http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/



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