t-and-f: Iraqi Olympic hopeful
A 1980 visit by officials from the Ministry of Youth, which was in charge of sports, changed everything. Al-Sammak was ordered to work at a swimming pool at a presidential compound in the Baghdad neighborhood of Radwaniyah. I refused for two weeks. Then the order came: 'If you don't come with us we will execute you,' Al-Sammak said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29411-2004Mar27.htm
t-and-f: Brian Maxwell passes
Brian Maxwell, a noted long-distance runner and former coach who created the well-known PowerBar in order to give himself a lift while competing, died late yesterday morning. Mike Fanelli of San Anselmo was also one of the original testers of what became the PowerBar during weekly running sessions with Maxwell and others at College of Marin. http://www.marinij.com/Stories/0,1413,234~24407~2030909,00.html Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: Who Dat Dan
Anonymous, illiterate and incomprehensible. Beautiful. Regards, Martin run4t5 wrote: Dat dem Tigers agin. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe rival left out by Japanese
A canuck lister who lives over there says that it is front page news. If the US had a similar selection system, it would be like KK being left off the team and that story being the lead story on the network news. Can you imagine? EamonnC wrote: The runner expected to be among Paula Radcliffe's biggest rivals for the marathon gold medal at the Olympic Games has been left out of the Japanese team for Athens. In a decision which shocked even the country's prime minister, the selectors omitted Naoko Takahashi, who won the marathon at the last Olympics in Sydney.
Re: t-and-f: Endurance Athletes Are Taking Up Snowshoe Racing to Stay Fit Year-Round
Don't know how people ever used to be able to do it... The men's champion, Greg Krause...said he started racing to train for mountain running and kept at it when he realized it let him train year-round. Here you can't run in the winter unless you want to run on the side of the road, which is foolish.
t-and-f: Repeat posts
Is there an admin out there? I just woke up to 54 posts from malmo, Mike and Floyd. I note that Randall and my posts didn't get duplicated at least back to me. The pattern seems to be that the 3 of them all posted to the list and the postmaster. Randall and I didn't reply to the postmaster. Perhaps that is the source of the problem? Regards, Martin Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Millard Financial Consulting Inc. P.O. Box 367 96 Nelson Street Brantford, Ontario N3T 5N3 Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 Telephone: (519) 759-3511 Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.millards.com Practice Areas: http://www.millards.com/profs/mjd.htm IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender.
Re: t-and-f: posts
Ok now John's message is getting duplicated and it didn't get posted to the postmaster so I don't know what is going on. John Lunn wrote: What happens when Darkwing is on Viagra? Randall Northam wrote: Why am I getting so many repeats of yesterday and today's postings? Surely even Malmo can't be that thrilled with his question Now WHAT was that thing about the appeals process? for it to be repeated five or six times. Randall Northam
t-and-f: List fixed
Matthew H Fraser Moat has been disabled and this should solve the problem. If Randall or anyone else knows him, they may want to mention to him that he has a virus. Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: Re: multiple postings
Just for the record, before I emailed the owner of all the lists, I tried the owner of this one and got this back: The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reason: 554 delivery error: dd Sorry, your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] cannot be delivered. This account is over quota. - mta226.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) malmo wrote: Thanks error handler. I was about to get in touch with the inner postal worker in me. Close call, whew! malmo From: Charles F. Wandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/03/10 Wed PM 01:54:57 CST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Re: multiple postings Folks, We are in the process of working on the problem Thanks for your patients =) -charlie, error handler
Re: t-and-f: Scholarships and Injuries?
Just got that for the 6th time? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most Universities have an appeals process which athletes can invoke when scholarships are withdrawn unilaterally. I believe the NCAA requires the schools to have such a process and it is to be conducted by personnel not connected with the athletic department. Anyone else? Floyd Highfill New Mexico State University Quoting Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just heard of an instance of a U.S. collegiate vaulter whose athletics scholarship has been withdrawn because injuries sustained in practice and competition prevent her from vaulting. Obviously, this is a pretty sleazy move on the part of her coach and university, but I'm wondering how usual it is for this to happen. Does anyone know of other examples? Cheers? I think not. :-(
t-and-f: Robinson re steroids
Robinson said he does not believe that using steroids or other performance-enhancing substances is cheating. Oh man... http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040302/ROBINSON02/TPSports/TopStories Regards, Martin
t-and-f: Marion on Charlie
This, of course, is the ridiculous thing about the uproar at the time: When we were with Mr Francis there were athletes whose names you would know who were consulting him, Jones said. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/3494913.stm
Re: t-and-f: Girly boys at Footlocker???
They didn't go for a Janet Jackson pierce job? Mike Prizy wrote: From Footlocker winner Matt Withrow's journal: When we got back to the hotel we had a lot of free time before the banquet. A lot of the girls went shopping with their parents, while a lot of the guys decided to stay back and pursue other activities. We actually ended up having a bunch of guys packed in one room watching Suzy Favor-Hamilton and Scott MacPherson pierce a bunch of guys' ears with a safety pin. They did Brian Sullivan and Kyle Miller (who screamed like a girl). http://www.illinoisrunner.com/04trackwithrowjournal.html
Re: t-and-f: Jumper aims to set his record straight...
In the NYT Sunday. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/18/sports/othersports/18SHIN.html?pagewanted=printposition= Paul Merca wrote: Blaine Newnham of the Seattle Times writes today's column about former University of Washington long jumper Phil Shinnick's attempt to have his 1963 world record of 8.33 meters, set 25 May in Modesto, CA., ratified by the IAAF. Newnham writes that the records committee will discuss this matter at this week's USATF Convention in Greensboro, NC. Go to: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2001803859_blai30.html Paul Merca
Re: t-and-f: Track Punk Rock meet on Reality TV
We have Bob Geldof to blame for these horrors. http://www.cyberspace7.btinternet.co.uk/geldofnews15.htm Jim Gerweck wrote: To the dismay of aging punk fans, a British television company announced Monday that the former Sex Pistols singer and angry punk icon - now known by his real name, John Lydon - has agreed to appear in the reality show ``I'm a Celebrity ... Get Me Out of Here!'' Alongside Lydon, the lineup includes a topless model named Jordan, former Olympic 400-meter runner Diane Modahl, '80s pop pinup Peter Andre, and Lord Brocket, an aristocrat jailed in 1996 for insurance fraud.
t-and-f: This is reasonably big-Jerome Young fallout
Walt Murphy shipped this around apparently: The USOC has handed down a three-part series of sanctions, including the suspension of about $3 million that flows annually from the USOC to USATF. http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-sp-track17jan17,1,5590302.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-olympics
t-and-f: REALLY long NYT mag piece
In women's sprinting in the 80's, the star -- and still the world-record holder in the 100- and 200-meter dashes -- was Florence Griffith Joyner, FloJo. Americans loved her style, her body-hugging track suits, her long and fabulously decorated nails, her ebullience. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/18/magazine/18SPORTS.html?ei=5062en=497683bce6547004ex=1075006800partner=GOOGLEpagewanted=allposition=
t-and-f: Marion to compete at Millrose?
Walt Murphy passed this around. Triple Olympic champion Marion Jones will likely run her first race in more than a year at New York City's Millrose Games on February 6, the indoor meeting's organiser said Friday. http://www.reuters.com/locales/newsArticle.jsp?type=sportsNewslocale=en_INstoryID=4104200 Regards, Martin
t-and-f: Kelli White's knee
World champion sprinter Kelli White has not trained for four months because of a knee injury that could hinder preparations for the 2004 Summer Olympics. http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/7659887.htm Regards, Martin
t-and-f: 2004 K of C Games, Feb 7-9
I was asked to pass this on: The 39th Annual Knights of Columbus Games will take place Feb 6-8, 2004 at the Saskatoon Fieldhouse (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada). The invitational events will include: Men: 50, 60, 200, 400, 60H Women: 50, 60, 1000, 60H, PV, HJ I am hoping to add one more event. We provide airfare, hotel, local ground transportation, perdium, and a banquet ticket for each invited athlete. There is also prize money of $500, 300, 200. To be considered, athletes, or their representatives, should send me a note with their past performances, national teams they have been on, major championships they have medalled at, records they hold or have held, etc... If anyone has any questions, they can direct them to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Hunter offered deal?
Not that he is the most credible of people: A former world shot put champion has told the Mercury News that two high-ranking international track and field officials promised to suppress news of his positive steroid test if he feigned an injury and withdrew from the 2000 Summer Olympics. http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/7448962.htm
t-and-f: Seoul 100
PRIZEMONEY of $1million has been promised by promoters attempting to re-run the most scandalous race in Olympic history - the Seoul men's 100m final. http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,8096369-23218,00.html
t-and-f: Webb wins nats
1 Alan Webb, 21, Fairfax, VA 30:13.1 2 Daniel Lincoln, 23, Fayetteville, AR 30:13.4 Ar 3 David Cullum, 30, Cupertino, CA 30:34.4 4 Peter Julian, 33, Boulder, CO 30:35.7 5 Matt Thull, 28, Wauwatosa, WI 30:41.0 6 Jared Cordes, 26, Madison, WI 30:43.6 7 Richard Brinker, 28, Rochester, MI 30:54.5 8 Martin Rosendahl, 25, Rochester, MI 30:55.6 9 Nick Cordes, 24, Rochester Hills, MI 31:04.9
t-and-f: Perdita poll
Reid Coolsaet noticed this and put it on tnfnorth. Look at Power Poll on the front page. She could use a few votes. She is last as I post this. TF fans unite! http://www.sportsnet.ca/othersports/index.jsp Regards, Martin
t-and-f: Re: Mondor wins Manchester and Webb...
Mondor doubled back 48 hours later to win the Can x-c champs: http://www.rrresults.com/results.htm Martin J. Dixon wrote: ...third. Results Manchester Road Race 1. Patrick Nthiwa 21:37 2. Andrew Leatherby 21:38 3. Alan Webb (1st US) 21:53 4. Jonathan Riley 21:53 5. Daniel Lincoln 22:02 6. Karl Savage 22:19 7. Joseph Driscoll 22:25 8. Nolan Swanson 22:26 9. Adam Sutton 22:27 10. Ian Connor 22:28 11. Ben Noad 22:34 12. Million Wolde 22:38 13. Michael Mislay 22:39 14. Teddy Mitchell 22:40 15. Michal Bartozak 22:42 16. Ryan Bak 22:44 17. Anthony Famig... 22:50 18. Dorde Milic 22:52 19. Araya Haregot 23:05 20. Tyler Mccabe 23:05 21. Paul Mwangi 23:10 22. Peter De La Cerda 23:12 23. Wilson Perez 23:13 24. Brian Rosetti 23:27 25. David Morris 23:31 Damas 1. Emilie Mondor 23:59 (New Course Record from 1991) 2. Natalie Harvey 24:32 3. Kate O'Neil 24:46 4. Catherine Berry 24:47 5. Marie Davenport 24:51 6. Amy Rudolph 24:56 7. Tatyana Petrova 25:00 8. Colleen De Reuk 25:02 9. Laura O'Neil 25:02 10. Ann McGranahan 25:17 11. Olga Romanova 25:40 12. Atalelech Ketema 25:51 13. Collette Liss 26:17 14. Briana Jackuc.. 26:26 (13 years of Age) 15. Deeja Youngquist 26:27 Complements of Dr. David Prindeville, Elite Director
Re: t-and-f: Happy Thanksgiving
The nice thing about being sort of a dual citizen is that I can celebrate it twice. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:22:37 -0500, you wrote: Only one problem - turkey has no more tryptophan than any other protein (less than chicken in fact). And to induce sleepiness from tryptophan (actually it wouldn't be the tryptophan, tryptophan is a precursor to serotonin which helps sound sleep, doesn't cause sleep) you'd have to eat a whole turkey on an empty stomach. Your sleepiness is caused by the ALKALINE TIDE--from over-eating, especially carbohydrates, and the body's response by releasing bicarbonate into the bloodstream causing the blood pH to rise slightly. Ya learn something new every day. And all these years I thouht it was the Detroit Lions putting me to sleep on Thanksgiving Day! Have a good one- RT
t-and-f: Mondor wins Manchester and Webb...
...third. Results Manchester Road Race 1. Patrick Nthiwa 21:37 2. Andrew Leatherby 21:38 3. Alan Webb (1st US) 21:53 4. Jonathan Riley 21:53 5. Daniel Lincoln 22:02 6. Karl Savage 22:19 7. Joseph Driscoll 22:25 8. Nolan Swanson 22:26 9. Adam Sutton 22:27 10. Ian Connor 22:28 11. Ben Noad 22:34 12. Million Wolde 22:38 13. Michael Mislay 22:39 14. Teddy Mitchell 22:40 15. Michal Bartozak 22:42 16. Ryan Bak 22:44 17. Anthony Famig... 22:50 18. Dorde Milic 22:52 19. Araya Haregot 23:05 20. Tyler Mccabe 23:05 21. Paul Mwangi 23:10 22. Peter De La Cerda 23:12 23. Wilson Perez 23:13 24. Brian Rosetti 23:27 25. David Morris 23:31 Damas 1. Emilie Mondor 23:59 (New Course Record from 1991) 2. Natalie Harvey 24:32 3. Kate O'Neil 24:46 4. Catherine Berry 24:47 5. Marie Davenport 24:51 6. Amy Rudolph 24:56 7. Tatyana Petrova 25:00 8. Colleen De Reuk 25:02 9. Laura O'Neil 25:02 10. Ann McGranahan 25:17 11. Olga Romanova 25:40 12. Atalelech Ketema 25:51 13. Collette Liss 26:17 14. Briana Jackuc.. 26:26 (13 years of Age) 15. Deeja Youngquist 26:27 Complements of Dr. David Prindeville, Elite Director
Re: t-and-f: Headline - Games opened to transsexual athletes
Won't some of the drug tests be skewed? Wayne T. Armbrust wrote: This is absolutely absurd, terminal political correctness. A male to female (so-called) transsexual, even after undergoing hormone therapy, will still have much higher strength indexes than women. Can the IOC cram this down the throat of the IAAF?
t-and-f: Some interesting THG stuff in here
Some observers speculate that the tipster who sent the anonymous sample may have been the inventor of THG himself. What motive might drive him to do that? http://espn.go.com/gen/news/2003/1112/1659917.html
Re: t-and-f: This Week's Sign that Track Apocalypse is Upon Us
33. More here. http://www.p-diddy.com/pd/index.html Tom Derderian wrote: How old is this Diddy person? Tom, out of touch with popular culture.
Re: t-and-f: This Week's Sign that Track Apocalypse is Upon Us
That could be a very interesting profile but uh...Mike, do you really want to go there: 2003 USATF Athlete of the Week Winners: January 14, Kevin Toth February 4, Regina Jacobs April 22, Kevin Toth June 25, Kelli White August 19, Chryste Gaines August 27, Kelli White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a second here...isn't this athlete of the week appointment a little premature? heck, the guy's B sample hasn't even come back from the lab yet. MF
Re: t-and-f: RE: Proof positive....Monty Python silly
What I find hilarious about every instance when some of you guys fall for malmo's bait and the discussion starts to degrade, there is usually a reference to malmo's alleged use of some substance. Isn't that precisely what some of you guys are railing against? Can you spell hypocrisy... malmo wrote: RICHARD MCCANN: None shall pass.
Re: Subject: Re: t-and-f: RE: Proof positive....Monty Python silly
Any 7 year old can find that Monty Python bit on google in about 47 seconds(that was me-a 7 year old would likely be faster). Couple of minutes with cut and paste and you're done. Randall Northam wrote: Seems to me that far from suffering from narcolepsy Malmo is cursed by the opposite. He clearly can't sleep, judging by the length of the Monty Python pastiche. Either that or he spends far too long in front of the computer thinking up smart arse replies. Randall Northam
Re: t-and-f: The Jet Lag excuse
The other perplexing thing to me is, if indeed this modafinil substance is such a great drug to help with jet lag, why hasn't anyone from the distance fraternity been busted for it yet. Are distance types somehow exempt from this malady? Care to comment malmo? Forgot Eric Thomas-8 days between last overseas competition and nationals. http://www.tilastopaja.com/db/atm.asp?ID=12714 malmo wrote: Keep at it Martin. The is is, beer and sex, toothpaste, jet lag excuses have been offending all of our sensibilities for years. It's interesting to note when Kelli White first tested positive she said something about narcolepsy running in her family. Now it's jet lag? What's it going to be next month? malmo
Re: t-and-f: Fighting drugs a tough task...
Kicking around for a couple of days. Also see my post about the jet lag excuse where she is named: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/28/sports1634EST0204.DTL Paul Merca wrote: Did the news that Sandra Glover tested positive for modafinil slip under the radar, as Dick Patrick reports? Paul Merca http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2003-10-30-drugs-steroids-fight_x.htm
t-and-f: Relay gold could be gone
The penalty for a second offense for a mild stimulant is a two-year ban, Ljungqvist said. Harrison should not have been eligible for the world meet and could be retroactively disqualified, Ljungqvist said. http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/sports/7142398.htm
Re: t-and-f: Re: Proof positive....
Nowhere in either of those posts did they say the word banned. Putting words in Bob's mouth here but I think we can all agree that the old process was flawed. In addition, how do you know when he said busted, he didn't mean after all proper procedures have been followed. Jonas certainly doesn't have a problem with due process. He just has a problem with applying domestic laws to international sporting rules. He didn't call for banning anyone either and I know he would want all appropriate procedures followed. We are laughing at these people and their ridiculous excuses. We have a right to do that. Please don't accuse those with a sense of humour of being a lynch mob. You have no idea what is in their heads and couldn't prove it anyway. You're making assumptions about people which is the very thing you seem to have a problem with. Richard McCann wrote: At 05:20 PM 10/29/2003 -0800, t-and-f-digest wrote: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:19:19 -0500 From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Kelli White narcolepsy There have been innumerable calls for athletes to be banned immediately upon certification of the B test, WITHOUT a hearing. Absolute nonsense. Totally with malmo here. Show me the exact words in this thread where I said that. And show me one of the numerous messages you refer to where it was said by anyone. Laughing at a ludicrous defence and calling for someone's head without due process are 2 completely different things. I've engaged in the former but certainly not in the latter. Can't think of anyone who has. Below is but two examples of statement made here, in this thread no less, that athletes should be banned WITHOUT a hearing. RMc
t-and-f: Shouldn't a consistent pattern of abuse...
...even if just for a stimulant(and if it could be proven) have a worse penalty than just loss of a result at a meet? And how does this explain the domestic cases unless they flew back from Europe for their nationals? That would be a pretty easy thing to check. Some of these non-lawyer types should probably just shut their mouths. None of these athletes thought this was a prohibited substance, they were taking it all summer, Wagner told the AP by telephone from Austria. It's like melatonin. When Americans come to Europe, they take it to get over the jet lag. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031028.wiiaf28/BNStory/Sports/
Re: t-and-f: Kelli White narcolepsy
There have been innumerable calls for athletes to be banned immediately upon certification of the B test, WITHOUT a hearing. Absolute nonsense. Totally with malmo here. Show me the exact words in this thread where I said that. And show me one of the numerous messages you refer to where it was said by anyone. Laughing at a ludicrous defence and calling for someone's head without due process are 2 completely different things. I've engaged in the former but certainly not in the latter. Can't think of anyone who has. Richard McCann wrote: I've already given you one example--this thread. RMc At 11:55 AM 10/29/2003 -0500, malmo wrote: Perhaps if there are numerous messages of such a call without a hearing, you could find just ONE example that I missed. I've been unable to find it. Thank you Richard, your veracity is always counted upon here. malmo
t-and-f: The Jet Lag excuse
The following is an analysis of the time between the last overseas competition and nationals for the 5 alleged modafinil positives. Presented without comment due to the sensibilities of those that think that there is a lynch mob mentality. Draw your own conclusions. There could be errors and obviously, there could have been other travelling for other reasons. Phillips: 8 days between last Euro race and Nats http://www.tilastopaja.com/db/atm.asp?ID=7622 Gaines: 40 days between last international race and Nats http://www.tilastopaja.com/db/atw.asp?ID=3842 White: 40 days between last international race and Nats http://www.tilastopaja.com/db/atw.asp?ID=10056 Harrison: 40 days between last international competition and Nats http://www.tilastopaja.com/db/atm.asp?ID=6354 Glover: 10 days between the last Euro race and Nats http://www.tilastopaja.com/db/atw.asp?ID=17845 Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: Hope Still Exists
Another feel good piece: Why do they come? Why do they hang around to watch the slowest high school cross-country runner in America? Why do they want to see a kid finish the 3.1 miles in 51 minutes when the winner did it in 16? Why do they cry? Why do they nearly break their wrists applauding a junior who falls flat on his face almost every race? Why do they hug a teenager who could be beaten by any other kid running backward? http://207.25.71.24/pr/subs/siexclusive/rick_reilly/2003/10/13/reilly1020/ Tony Banovich wrote: After all the doom and gloom of Modafinil, THG, etc., I thought I would share my weekend experience with you all to let you know that, on at least some level, all is right with our sport. 12 years ago, a Montana runner by the name of Ray Hunt founded a cross country meet called the Montana Cup. It is an open race that is based on a city versus city format. That is, the 7 major cities of Montana (of course using the words major, cities and Montana in the same sentence is a bit of a stretch) field teams. You run for the team of the city nearest to where you live (i.e. a runner from Belgrade runs for the Bozeman team). You can have an unlimited number of runners on your team, but only the top 5 score, with 6 and 7 displacing other teams scoring runners. Much like regular high school XC. Speaking of high school XC, the meet is always held the weekend after the state meet so that the high school runners can participate and not run afoul of state association issues. At any rate, the meet rotates from city to city each year, and Billings had the pleasure of hosting the meet this year. And here is what we had. A total of 66 runners (44 men, 22 women). 5 full men's team, 3 full women's teams. Runners from the ages of 14 to 62. 3 Olympic Trials Marathon Qualifiers The 2002 Big Sky Conference XC Champion 2 members of the Montana State XC team that placed 11th in the 2002 NCAA's Several All-State Prep athletes Athletes who drove up to 420 miles to compete in a 6,600 meter race Brothers and sisters Mothers and daughters Fathers and sons For some, this was their second race of the day All of this for some individual trophies and the traveling Montana Cup for the winning teams. These were athletes who were out for the love of the sport. Some were recreational runners. Some were national caliber athletes. All were out to enjoy a race and experience some competition. Yes, we all get jaded by the drug scandals, rabbited WR efforts, shortened crossbar pegs, whether or not walks should stay in the sport, and all the other hoopla at the top end of the sport. But, when it comes right down to it, there are a heck of a lot of us out there who just like to go out and run. Nothing more, nothing less. Just line us up, shoot the gun, and see who comes in first. We're not worried if so and so is clean or dirty. We don't care who they're coached by. We aren't worried about whether or not we should be at this race or that one because it might affect my TFN rankings/at-large berth/shoe contract/agent take/etc.. We're just here to try to see old friends and make some new ones, run each other into the ground, then all have a beer and some pizza afterwards. So yes, we have the ugly, dark and seemly side of the sport. But, when it really comes down to it. There are still those who are involved in the sport for nothing more than the pure joy of seeing who can run the fastest from point A to point B. And I was blessed with the ability to see that side of the sport this weekend. Tony Banovich Billings, Montana
t-and-f: Another one
Gaines now. RK has a few things to say. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26448-2003Oct27.html That probably requires registration but here is another one: http://msnbc.com/news/985950.asp
Re: t-and-f: Kelli White narcolepsy
I was being a tad facetious in response to what is just getting to be more and more ludicrous. My post on Sept 5 on the matter in response to a post by RT: You would have to be a blind foolish idiot to not know that she and her advisors are pushing the envelope as far as they can just like Charlie and gh have said in the past that the chemists will doHer defenders will start to look more and more foolish as the Balco/ZMA/Conte information comes out Richard McCann wrote: Yes, because my argument is about procedure and athlete's rights. At 02:40 PM 10/27/2003 -0800, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:07:52 -0400 From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Kelli White narcolepsy Given the most recent, and what is sure to be more, revelations, are we still going with this? Richard McCann wrote: She may not have realized that the drug had some type of stimulant.
Re: t-and-f: Washington Post - another name
I saw December somewhere. edndana wrote: Now, a question I have is that I'm hearing that it will be several months before the B sample results are known - not sure if it was IAAF or USADA where that came from. Is that true, or do they just mean it will take that long for adjudication? It seems like they tested the A sample in pretty short order, why should the B sample take so much longer? - Ed
t-and-f: Charlie
When Standard Sport contacted Francis at his Toronto home yesterday, he refused to either confirm or deny that he was the whistle-blower in the THG designer steroid scandal. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/articles/7339108?source=Evening%20Standard
Re: t-and-f: Chambers positive
Suspended either way. Jeremy Ashcraft wrote: no point, just me creating a possible scenario.. Martin J. Dixon wrote: The point being...even if your hypothesis is correct? Jeremy Ashcraft wrote:
Jacobs was Re: t-and-f: Chambers positive
I am assume that you are referring to this in case anyone is sleeping: www.letsrun.com Low key, understated and subtle as always. malmo wrote: How did Regina Jacobs do at World Champs? Did Victor check her blood/urine? malmo
Re: t-and-f: more or less cheating
Oh come on Randy. We aren't neanderthal Cubs' fans. Randy Treadway wrote: Looking at the darker side of recent developments, I wonder if UCLA (or USADA) is providing a security guard for Catlin and his team? When large amounts of money are at stake, snakes tend to come out of their holes ...see the recent unsolicited offer by some Russian emigre to Kobe Bryant to knock off the Colorado woman for a healthy fee... RT
Re: t-and-f: RE: Jacobs reported A positive
The reason I did that is because their original headline said Alleluiah, Alleluiah, Alleluiah. I thought it was funny. Hopefully wejo didn't think I was taking a shot. I know he is out there somewhere. Richard McCann wrote: OK, to be even less cryptic, here's the Washington Post article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2614-2003Oct22.html At 10:15 AM 10/23/2003 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:38:13 -0400 From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Jacobs was Re: t-and-f: Chambers positive I am assume that you are referring to this in case anyone is sleeping: www.letsrun.com Low key, understated and subtle as always. malmo wrote: How did Regina Jacobs do at World Champs? Did Victor check her blood/urine? malmo
Re: t-and-f: Chambers positive
Wasn't the original rumour 20. Maybe that included the modafinil positives? Mike Prizy wrote: In a telepress conference Wednesday morning, Craig Masback, USATF CEO, said there were four THG A sample positives from the U.S. Track Championships last June. He added that only three of these athletes advanced to the World Championships and none were medalists. Martin J. Dixon wrote: Dwain Chambers, the fastest man in Europe and one of Britain's main hopes for an Olympic gold medal next year, has tested positive for a new banned designer... http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,1068204,00.html -- Regards, Martin Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Millard Financial Consulting Inc. P.O. Box 367 96 Nelson Street Brantford, Ontario N3T 5N3 Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 Telephone: (519) 759-3511 Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.millards.com Practice Areas: http://www.millards.com/profs/mjd.htm IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender.
Re: t-and-f: Chambers positive
The complete statement is here: http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2084065 Randall Northam wrote: Guess what? Chambers has just issued a statement in which he says he was told by his coach to use BALCO as a source of nutrition and knew nothing about anything anything at all. I think we should let him off because that excuse has never, ever been used before! Randall Northam
Re: t-and-f: Chambers positive
The same writer practically comes right out and says it in this piece. http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,1068885,00.html Wayne T. Armbrust wrote: Hmm, it seems the high profile coach is a rival of Remi Korchemny. I wonder who it could be. Anyone willing to hazard a guess?
t-and-f: We will see more of this?
Cross-country skier Beckie Scott was gracious as she prepared to be honoured with an Olympic silver medal Tuesday for what many believe was a golden performance in Salt Lake City. http://canada.com/sports/story.html?id=1A3A3037-D175-4FBF-944E-0C1A26870642
t-and-f: Chambers positive
Dwain Chambers, the fastest man in Europe and one of Britain's main hopes for an Olympic gold medal next year, has tested positive for a new banned designer... http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,1068204,00.html
t-and-f: TM and MJ got allegedly got subpoenas too
``It is time to stop all of the speculation and innuendo. The `world's fastest man' and the `world's fastest woman,' Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones, have both been subpoenaed to testify before a Grand Jury.'' http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/7051015.htm Paul Merca wrote: Go to: http://espn.go.com/oly/news/2003/1018/1641089.html and http://espn.go.com/oly/news/2003/1019/1641591.html, plus coverage at: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/10/19/MNG2Q2EPO01.DTL http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/19/SPGTE2EPAA1.DTL and http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/19/MNGRF2ENGN1.DTL Paul Merca
Re: t-and-f: 'Designer' drug scandal looms
The guest said it would make the BJ thing look like small potatoes. The mass media is just starting to pick it up. This morning the CBC quoted someone at one of the testing centres in Montreal that you put this stuff under your tongue and it remains in your system for 3 to 7 days and that the effects last 7 months. Mike Prizy wrote: There was a segment on this on NBC's Today Show this Saturday morning. Ed Marsha Prytherch wrote: One positive from this is that USADA was able to maintain secrecy as they developed and used tests for the new drug. That alone justifies their existance. Ed Prytherch
t-and-f: Toth alleged to be positive
U.S. shot put champion Kevin Toth is among those who have tested positive, according to sources with knowledge of the investigation. Toth could not be reached for comment yesterday; his wife, reached at their home, declined to comment. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A37329-2003Oct16?language=printer
t-and-f: This is reasonably big...
...and apologies in advance to those that don't think that this lives up to the soul of the t-and-f list. gh posted it on TFN and I can't find a link. No surprises here if you paid any attention at all and connected a few dots. Go here for more: http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/discussion/viewThread.jsp?forum=1thread=2278 As I said before would happen, the White apologists now look very foolish and Mr McCann, this has nothing to do with defending BJ. Please spare me. Richard McCann wrote: But my sense of what drives the discussion on this list is a continuing attempt by Ben Johnson supporters to vindicate his actions in 1988. Maybe this occurs because so many people disliked Carl Lewis and can't stand the thought that he was the beneficiary of Johnson's foibles. Or maybe its Canadians thinking they had finally triumphed over their more dominant neighbors and then finding that it was taken away. Whatever the reason, the accusations made on this list have substantial emotional content that seems to go beyond simply making speculative statements. USADA STATEMENT Early in the summer, USADA received a call from a person represented to be a high-profile track and field coach, who provided the names of U.S. and international athletes who he said were using an undetectable steroid. The coach subsequently sent USADA a used syringe containing some of this substance. USADA sent the contents of the syringe to the International Olympic Committee accredited anti-doping laboratory at UCLA. Dr. Don Catlin, the head of the laboratory, was able to identify the contents of the syringe and it did contain a designer steroid, which would not have been detectable in normal laboratory testing. UCLA has since developed a test to detect this steroid in athlete urine samples. The steroid, tetrahydrogestrinone (THG), is a designer steroid with a chemical structure similar to other prohibited steroids. In the last few days, several positive A sample results for the steroid THG have now been reported to USADA. These results have come from samples collected in-competition at the 2003 USA Outdoor Track Field Championships and samples collected out-of-competition by USADA. The athletes, USA Track and Field, the national governing body for the sport in the United States, the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) and the U.S. Olympic Committee (USOC) have all been notified of the positive A sample results. The track and field coach who provided the syringe to USADA identified the source of the undetectable steroid as Victor Conte of BALCO (Bay Area Laboratories Co-Operative) Laboratory in Burlingame, Calif. Because this information pointed to potentially illegal activity by the distributor of a controlled substance, USADA contacted the United States Department of Justice. What we have uncovered appears to be intentional doping of the worst sort, said USADA Chief Executive Officer Terry Madden. This is a far cry from athletes accidentally testing positive as a result of taking contaminated nutritional supplements. Rather, this is a conspiracy involving chemists, coaches and certain athletes using what they developed to be undetectable designer steroids to defraud their fellow competitors and the American and world public who pay to attend sports events. The fact that a track and field coach came to USADA with this information demonstrates the confidence that the sporting community has in USADA to deter doping in sport. The scientific expertise of the UCLA Laboratory was critical to rapidly identifying and developing a method for the detection of THG in urine samples. The USOC is to be highly commended for its cooperation. As the anti-doping agency for the Olympic Movement in the United States since October 2000, the United States Anti-Doping Agencys (USADA) mission is to fight doping to (1) protect the health of athletes, (2) create a level drug-free playing field, and (3) preserve the true spirit of sport. USADA is a non-governmental, nonprofit agency independent of the control of any sporting body. Its activities are open and transparent. To stay ahead of the cheaters, USADA is involved in gathering information on how athletes might be using drugs to cheat and in identifying drugs which the cheaters may think are undetectable. USADA has always strongly encouraged athletes and coaches to come forward to USADA on a confidential basis. USADAs mission is to fight doping through drug testing, research and education. USADA conducts nearly 6,500 drug tests on top-level athletes annually. These tests take place both in-competition and out-of-competition without notice at the athletes training sites and homes. In the area of education, last year USADA made anti-doping presentations to nearly 2,000 athletes. USADAs anti-doping educational materials are available on the USADA website (www.usantidoping.org) http://www.)/ . In the last two years, USADA has awarded more than $3 million
Re: t-and-f: who lacks intellectual honesty?
Richard, I'm pretty sure that malmo is replying to you privately and maybe you can't tell because I think you are on digest. malmo can obviously look after himself but shouldn't private messages be replied to privately? Richard McCann wrote: At 02:46 PM 10/16/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure there has been error in my posts - but very rare - and certainly never a diliberate attempt at distortion.
t-and-f: These people have soul
They may not be the first group of athletes to grin and bare it in pursuit of their sporting dreams, but six Dutch women are giving the practice unprecedented ... well, exposure. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1c=Articlecid=1066083010081call_pageid=968867503640col=970081593064
Re: t-and-f: dynamite the bridge. Why?
Where do you suggest people go that are looking for that lost soul? I'm not being facetious. I'd like to know so I can bookmark it. Robert J Howell wrote: Regardless of what Randy says, Kim has it right. This list has no soul, no personality. It is only a shell of what it was. Robbie Howell
t-and-f: Christman on Masya
It is a different era now in the third millennium. Many in the running community will quickly forget Benson Masya. A relatively introverted man who wasnt able to conquer the long-term effects of the one disease that generally will not be forgiven. The photo you see below shows a quiet soul resting upon his palms. And for those who came into contact with him through competition or conversation, it may be best to remember what Benson Masya did accomplish in just a few short years, rather than what he was prevented from achieving before he lost his final battle... http://www.runningstats.com/Pages/811/Players.html
Re: t-and-f: who would use drugs?
Gerald Woodward wrote: Ed, Thanks for the info. I would not think that that high a percentage of athletes would say yes, knowing that they would die in five years, just to win an Olympic gold medal... Well...this doesn't necessarily mean the study took place or that it was scientific if it did and it seems to me that I have heard various versions of this since well prior to 1995. A Scenario, from a 1995 poll of 198 sprinters, swimmers, powerlifters and other assorted athletes, most of them U.S. Olympians of aspiring Olympians: You Are offered a banned performance-enhancing substance, with two guarantees: 1) You will not be caught. 2) You will win. Would you take the substance? One hundred and ninety-five athletes said yes; three said no. Scenario II: You are offered a banned performance-enhancing substance that comes with two guarantees: 1) You will not be caught. 2) You will win every competition you enter for the next five years, and then you will die from the side effects of the substance. Would you take it? More than half the athletes said yes. http://www.horizon-hs.net/~pe/gary%20paulson/wt%20lifting%20II/overtheedge.html Gerald Woodward wrote: Ed, Thanks for the info. I would not think that that high a percentage of athletes would say yes, knowing that they would die in five years, just to win an Olympic gold medal! I would love to have one, but not at that cost! I enjoy life for the most part and have a lot of things that I still want to accomplish. The gold medal is not that important to me that I give up my life in five years, and I hate to lose even if I'm playing tiddlywinks!!! Gerald -- Regards, Martin Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Millard Financial Consulting Inc. P.O. Box 367 96 Nelson Street Brantford, Ontario N3T 5N3 Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 Telephone: (519) 759-3511 Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.millards.com Practice Areas: http://www.millards.com/profs/mjd.htm IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender.
Re: t-and-f: who would use drugs?
The theory wasn't unanimously agreed to if you read the entire article but even if true that's an easy one. There will be a learning curve. http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/baseball/20030922-1428-bbo-sportsshowcase.html David Lesley wrote: Netvolks: Today's San Diego Union -Tribune ran an article in the sports page to the effect that in this first year of steroid testing of major league players , nobody hit 50 or more home runs in MLB. This is the first time in 10 years that this has occurred. Now, the wisdom on this list seems to be that testing is not a deterrent and detection is easily avoided. Since utility infielders make more money than almost any TF athlete, they can certainly afford the same medical help. I'm sure there will be no lack of explanations for this. David Lesley
Re: Cheaters was Re: t-and-f: Lgat's B Sample Negative
Maybe because he is a little younger and a little less naive. To wit, a timely article: Some ethicists argue that student cheating whether using the Internet to plagiarize or finding a rogue way to ace a classroom exam is the canary in the mine, about the extent of wider cheating now and in the future. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/04/arts/04CHEA.html?th=pagewanted=printposition= Keith Whitman wrote: How the heck would YOU know Alan? I'm not hatin, just wondering...
Re: t-and-f: Templeton on Lagat
Don't know why something this obvious has to be explained but...as we saw with the Francis thing, people get judged by the company they keep. Fairly or unfairly. B. Kunnath wrote: From: alan tobin :, I also represented Dieter Baumann Well, that says it all. Alan Actually it doesn't. Im pretty certain Templeton became Baumanns manager AFTER the whole drug fiasco. So whats your point?bob --- Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today!
Re: t-and-f: Lgat's B sample... now equal chance of being clean or dirty...
The key will be how vigorously he pursues his claim for damages. I was thinking the same thing. He is not guilty. He isn't necessarily innocent. If he pursues some people civilly where the burden of proof is less, that will be an indication that he in actual fact thinks he is innocent not just not guilty. If he doesn't... Michael Contopoulos wrote: For all those who will love to write this off as if Lagat is a saint and he never did anything wrong... isn't it just as likely the negative result is wrong as the positive result is wrong? In the eyes of our sport, he is free. In my eyes, he either tested positive for something and then got off on a bad B' test, or, he was unjustly accused after a bad 'A' test and was vindicated with the 'B' test. In no way, in my mind, is he clean based on the B sample. He's just not guilty. Unless someone has more to offer on things done differently with the B, I will actually believe the B sample falsely read a negative. I actually think it would be better for the sport had Lagat been busted. Of course if he truly is clean, I'm glad he's back, but I will hold my judgement. Life aint fair... and I never said it was. Michael _ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa
Re: t-and-f: Lgat's B sample... now equal chance of being clean or dirty...
That doesn't change my point and it doesn't change the reality of the situation. If this gets into a court of law and all of a sudden the burden of proof changes and this is explained to him, he may decide not to pursue it. I hope he does pursue it. It will be interesting to see how this sort of thing can happen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Contopoulos wrote: For all those who will love to write this off as if Lagat is a saint and he never did anything wrong... isn't it just as likely the negative result is wrong as the positive result is wrong? In the eyes of our sport, he is free. In my eyes, he either tested positive for something and then got off on a bad B' test, or, he was unjustly accused after a bad 'A' test and was vindicated with the 'B' test. In no way, in my mind, is he clean based on the B sample. Martin J. Dixon chimed in: The key will be how vigorously he pursues his claim for damages. I was thinking the same thing. He is not guilty. He isn't necessarily innocent. If he pursues some people civilly where the burden of proof is less, that will be an indication that he in actual fact thinks he is innocent not just not guilty. If he doesn't... OK, while I was on the Lagat shows the Kenyans aren't pure bandwagon, this way lies insanity. A negative test on a B is the same as a negative test on an A. If you had a positive B, but a negative A, you'd never hear about it, because the B would never be analyzed. In essence, the dual samples is to ensure that an innocent athlete isn't sanctioned. If the B comes up negative - you can have all the opinions you want, but they're no more valid than any opinion you may have about any athlete without any proof. These methods - and especially the method for EPO - can really push analytical boundaries. Placing Lagat in some not guilty not innocent limbo is now no more valid than watching a guy run fast and concluding he must be juiced. A negative B means innocent. Phil
t-and-f: WR in Berlin
Tergat-2:04:55 Sammy Korir-2:04:56 WR and 4th place master-Andrés Perez Espinosa-2:08:46. Regards, Martin
t-and-f: Plimpton dies
Before Sidd Finch and the Detroit Lions was his 100 yard foray in the Boston Marathon. So began his career in participatory journalism. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1404slug=Obit%20Plimpton Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: Perceptions
Both plus a course that isn't eligible for World best marks I don't think. edndana wrote: The whole drug issue is still one which is based primarily on emotion and moral bases ... Data is thrown out in an attempt to support these assumptions ... But as you yourself lhave repeated stated these arguments are based on perceptions ... In most professions perceptions are hardly enough to get an idea off the drawing board ! Actually, in most professions, perceptions govern the majority of what happens even though people try to act like they don't. It strikes me that - whichever side of the argument one is on - this discussion proves that the track field list is no different (note that I certainly include myself among those governed by perceptions!) Now, how about Radcliffe's half - a great performance or simply a soft record (or both)? - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Butch Reynolds
Regardless, the IAAF didn't really put up much of a defence, if any, in the US courts did they? Michael Contopoulos wrote: I know the butch reynolds case but don't know what his evidence was, or how he could have known, that his sample was someone else's. can someone enlighten me on Butch's facts Thanks, M _ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport
Getting WAY off topic here but if there would have been no disagreement about slavery, there likely would have been no war. To the politicians, it was all about slavery but there is no way they would have been able to convince the citizenry to fight on that basis. There is no question however that the slavery issue was an economic issue to most not a moral one-on both sides. Michael Bartolina wrote: Check your revisionist history books. Slavery was ended in the south because it was economically advantageous to the North. The civil war had as much to do with slavery as Michael Jordan's Nikes did with winning 5 rings. The only way to end drug use would be if it were economically advantageous to the richest and most powerful nations to do so. Since that is not the case, I don't think we will see a decline in usage any time soon. Barto
Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport
Sudafed-that amazes me. I was talking to a reasonably good masters age group swimmer and he told me he was on the stuff for a cold and was doing repeat 100s about 5 seconds faster than normal and wasn't getting tired. His doctor is in the same club and he said to him how great he felt and why wouldn't he do it all the time in work-outs and races(they don't drug test in masters swimming which is a whole other story-many of the times are doped) and the doctor said-well you'll die eventually for starters. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry - is there a question over whether this is a health issue? Dan replied: Yes, most definitely. There is a health component to it, of course, but that seems to be more of a justification for some underlying moral objection. Take caffeine, for example. Who's health is being protected by limiting stimulants to below the levels many average people consume on a daily basis? Olympics may drop caffeine from drug list - - - - - - - - - - - - By Stephen Wilson Sept. 17, 2003 | LONDON (AP) -- Drinking too much coffee or taking a common cold tablet will no longer get athletes disqualified from the Olympics for a doping offense. A positive test for marijuana, though, will still result in a drug penalty. So will the medication at the center of American sprinter Kelli White's doping scandal. That's the scenario under the proposed new global list of banned substances drawn up by the World Anti-Doping Agency, The Associated Press has learned. After more than two years of research, analysis and debate, experts have produced an all-encompassing list of prohibited steroids, stimulants, blood-boosters, narcotics and other drugs. Among the key recommendations: caffeine and pseudoephedrine, an ingredient of the cold remedy Sudafed, are removed from the banned category. Cannabis, or marijuana, remains on the list. Modafinil, which could cost White her two world championship gold medals, is specifically named for the first time among the banned stimulants. The decisions were disclosed to the AP by professor Arne Ljungqvist, the Swedish anti-doping official who heads WADA's medical research committee. We must adjust our list to modern thinking and to changes of attitude and changes of knowledge, he said. The list must still be approved by the doping agency's executive committee, which meets in Montreal next Monday and Tuesday. If ratified, it will go into effect Jan. 1 and apply to all sports and all countries covered by WADA's global anti-doping code. The list will be in force for next year's Summer Olympics in Athens. It replaces previous Olympic movement banned lists, which were more limited in scope and enforcement. The work, the process this time is far more far-reaching and deep than has ever been done before, Ljungqvist said. Hundreds and hundreds of man hours have been devoted to this. But the result is not revolutionary. You end up with compromises. Ljungqvist, chairman of the medical commissions of the IOC and the International Association of Athletics Federations, said individual sports bodies will have the option of adding substances to the list if they get WADA approval. The decision to omit caffeine, pseudoephedrine and another minor stimulant, phenylpropanolamine, from the list would prevent cases of athletes being disqualified and stripped of medals for what some considered innocuous reasons. Previously, a urine sample showing a concentration of caffeine greater than 12 micrograms per millileter was considered a positive test. U.S. sprinter Inger Miller was stripped of a bronze medal in the 60 meters at the 1999 world indoor championships after a positive caffeine test. At last month's Pan American Games, Letitia Vriesde of Surinam lost her gold in the 800 meters for the same offense. Pseudoephedrine, contained in Sudafed and other over-the-counter medications, caused one of the Olympics' highest profile doping cases. Romanian teenage gymnast Andreaa Raducan had her all-around gold medal taken away at the 2000 Sydney Games after her doctor gave her a cold tablet containing pseudoephedrine. We cannot look retroactively at what has happened in the past, Ljungqvist said. The list in existence is the one you have to observe. In 2000 pseudoephedrine was on the list. Ljungqvist said ephedrine, considered a stronger stimulant than pseudoephedrine, remains banned. Modafinil, meanwhile, would be listed by name. White tested positive for the substance at last month's World Championships in Paris, where she won the 100 and 200 meters. She said she used the medication for a sleep disorder and didn't know it contained banned substances because it didn't appear on the list. The IAAF said modafinil was covered under the category of related substances, rejected White's explanation and ordered U.S. authorities to take disciplinary action. She stands to lose her
t-and-f: More narcoleptics out there
I can't receive email temporarily-only send so apologies if this has gone out already. We have a new epidemic on our hands. Shouldn't someone call the CDC? The newspaper also said that American Chris Phillips, who finished fifth in the world 110 metres hurdles final, had tested positive for Modafinil, a light stimulant. http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=4art_id=qw1063462320577S163set_id=6 Regards, Martin
t-and-f: IAAF on White
IAAF general secretary Istvan Gyulai said White should be disqualified and stripped of the gold medals she won in the 100 and 200 metres at last month's World Championships. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/world_athletics_2003/3077070.stm
t-and-f: Tying up 3 threads in a bow...
I didn't have to take steroids. I never even took vitamins. http://sport.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILSgrid=xml=%2Fsport%2F2003%2F09%2F06%2Fsomott06.xml Regards, Martin
t-and-f: A funny on letsrun
A fairly funny quote after White wins the 100 a couple of weeks ago: I'm so excited I won't be able to sleep tonight. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/othersports/136451_track25.html Regards, Martin
t-and-f: USADA involved in Balco case
Catlin also said he recently worked on the case with the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, which oversees drug testing for Olympians. http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/sports/6695428.htm Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: major philosphy difference for the sport
That is a great post. You would have to be a blind foolish idiot to not know that she and her advisors are pushing the envelope as far as they can just like Charlie and gh have said in the past that the chemists will do. She might get off legally using all the great rights she is entitled to under the constitution. So what. So did OJ. And no, I am not saying that this compares to OJ-just making the point. Her defenders will start to look more and more foolish as the Balco/ZMA/Conte information comes out. Goldman is looking to me like the 2003 edition of Astaphan. This is not a US vs the rest of the world thing for me because I am on the record as to what I thought of the brain dead triathlete canuck caught at the CG. His only defence was stupidity just like in this case. Flame away. Randy Treadway wrote: What has bothered me for some time about the Kelli White case and many other cases is not the innocent-until-proven guilty issue or other legalisms- those are red herrings. The core issue is this- and it's evident that followers of the sport are divided into two very distinct camps The issue is whether 'chemical training' is a legitimate fair way of preparing for competition. And I'm talking about what have been cavalierly lumped together as 'supplements'. Those who seem to be on the not only yes, but you can't train effectively in this modern age without it camp also argue that once you acknowledge that it's legitimate, then the ONLY thing that's illegitimate is if a substance is SPECIFICALLY called out on a banned list. These were practically the very words out of Kelli White's mouth in explaining why she didn't declare the stuff that turned up the positive test. You thus become a fool if you DON'T exploit any banned list oversights to the maximum. This totally ignores the spirit of the rule argument, that says that training should be done by external means (pumping iron, interval training) and natural diet planning only- what mix of orange juice, rice, fish and so on to eat. There has always been a side argument on whether a specific medication to address an immediate need is okay, if no significant athletic gain is achieved- in other words- have a headache? take an aspirin have a cold? take a nasal congestion clearer-upper and so on and it seems that in many cases the IAAF agrees that THAT'S okay. But those are not repetitive daily dosages FOR NO OTHER PURPOSE than athletic training. Such as the observation that 'the supplement allows the body to recover faster from strenous muscle and joint stresses which the ordinary citizen never experiences'. From the raid yesterday of the clinic which Kelli White, Barry Bonds and many other professional athletes frequent, it appears that this clinic was specifically in the business of developing chemical training programmes for their clients, and guaranteeing that it could be done outside the WADA testing regime or the NFL or MLB testing regime (laughable though the latter two may be). For all I know this clinic also had a lab developing ever more exotic mixtures which they were confident could always stay one step ahead of the 'banned' lists. I don't know this for a fact, but it sure smells that way. Is this any different than what the East German labs were doing in the 70's and 80's? There are a great number of you on this list, who seem to think there is nothing wrong with that- supplements are a reasonable progression in the development of modern athletes. I've also heard the argument in support of this camp, that the IAAF only bans those chemicals which are known to be harmful to the athlete. You and I know that harmful chemicals are indeed banned, but aiding chemicals are ALSO banned whether they are harmful or not. You cannot deny this. Those on the OTHER side of the argument respond that this puts the best chemicals (this camp always calls them chemicals, not supplements- but you and I know they're the same thing) always in the hands of the countries who have the best laboratories and the best pharmaceutical industries, and the economies to support it, and that massive ingestions of these kinds of chemicals has unknown long-term effects. This is debatable when you see the Africans leading the way on EPO. But their strongest argument is that chemical aids are in conflict with the original intent of the sport, which boils down to two athletes taking what God gave them and racing to see who's faster. They argue that once you depart from the 'use what God gave you' stipulation, it's only a matter of time- decades, centuries perhaps, before we see both mechanical and chemical implants and biological gene manipulation, all in the interest of sports success. And that that is NOT in the best interests of our! y! outh. Which camp are YOU in? Anybody who claims that they were caught for stuff like nandro because it was in a
t-and-f: Re: TF White, Goldman, Conte, CJ and T-mag
A Burlingame lab that specializes in nutritional supplements and serves athletes including Barry Bonds, Marion Jones and 250 professional football players was raided yesterday afternoon by the IRS and the San Mateo County Narcotics Team. http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article.cfm?issue=09-04-03storyID=24982 Martin J. Dixon wrote: The incident draws attention to White's association with a Burlingame nutritional company that helps some of the world's finest athletes, including Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and some famous bodybuilders. Goldman said he consults with firm owner Victor Conte, who came to the defense of shot putter C.J. Hunter during his drug scandal in Sydney three years ago. http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/6661876.htm Testosterone ProductionThe Elemental Facts An Interview With Victor Conte http://www.t-mag.com/html/27testo.html
t-and-f: Lagat's manager speaks
That's that then. Bernard Lagat and myself were both surprised and devastated by the news that he had tested positive for a banned substance. Bernard denies categorically that he has ever taken a performance-enhancing drug. We were informed about this matter by Athletics Kenya in Paris on the evening of 22 August. After consultation with Athletics Kenya, we decided to withdraw Bernard from the men's 1,500 metres heats the following day as his concentration was not on the task in hand. In addition, Bernard suffered a mild dose of stomach flu whilst in the village which weakened him physically. Bernard and I have been provided with some details of the A sample test but are awaiting further information officially from the IAAF before commenting further. We are concerned though over the way this news has reached the public domain as the B sample has yet to be tested and, as I have already said, Bernard emphatically refutes any suggestion that he has ever taken performance-enhancing drugs. Both of us were hoping that this matter would remain confidential until, at least, after the testing of the B sample as we are both aware that slurs about drug taking can damage an athlete's reputation, even after an athlete has been proven innocent. James Templeton 3 September 2003
t-and-f: White, Goldman, Conte, CJ and T-mag
The incident draws attention to White's association with a Burlingame nutritional company that helps some of the world's finest athletes, including Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and some famous bodybuilders. Goldman said he consults with firm owner Victor Conte, who came to the defense of shot putter C.J. Hunter during his drug scandal in Sydney three years ago. http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/6661876.htm Testosterone ProductionThe Elemental Facts An Interview With Victor Conte http://www.t-mag.com/html/27testo.html
t-and-f: Lagat now
I forget where I saw it but someone that it was odd that Lagat pulled out at the last minute http://www.nationaudio.com/News/DailyNation/Today/Sports/Sports0.html Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: Kenyan Question
Queue Weldon. B. Kunnath wrote: Weldon, Thats a far cry from your first post where you seemed to suggest that someone had walked up to you with proof that he/she knew of certain specific agents giving drugs to certain specific runners. Now you're into full denial and damage control. If thats all you have to go on , then I suggest to keep it to yourself and refrain from tainting the good image of the vast majority of great African runners. When you can back up your words with facts, THEN its time for us all to hear the great truth. Until then you are doing a disservice to the vast majority of hardworking atheletes. No one, myself included, thinks that every single African is clean, but for you to suggest that there is a sytematic doping program is ludicrous, esp without any kind of reasonable proof. And yes Martin, it is very legitimate to ask for zee proof if this kind of tabloid crap of being offered to a worldwide audience. From: Weldon Johnson I didn't say I knew anything for sure. I said I had heard some fairly reliable reports that I believe. But I don't see why you got so upset about my post. I didn't mention any names specifically. Basically all I said is drugs are in the sport and yes I think some of the African runners are on them. If you didn't think otherwise I'd say you are pretty naive. -Weldon
Re: t-and-f: Now the spotlight is on Kelli White
Ms White has been taking the substance on prescription to treat a medical condition that runs in her family. Even if genuine multiplex families are rare, 1 to 2% of the first-degree relatives of narcolepsy patients manifest the disorder, compared with 0.02 to 0.18% in the general population. Sounds like it's a family for the medical journals(or maybe Slate or the New Yorker). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?holding=npgcmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=9484418dopt=Abstract [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IAAF is doing the very thing that Dick Pound is criticizing- letting the athletes continue to compete during an investigation!!! Obviously there is a significant part of the world that doesn't have his viewpoint, not just the U.S.! IAAF statement on Kelli White Saturday 30 August 2003 Paris - A sample provided by Kelli White, USA after the 100m Final in Paris has tested positive for Modafinil. The IAAF has not yet received the results of the analysis on her sample provided after the 200m Final. Today, we have received an explanation from the athlete to the following effect; Ms White has been taking the substance on prescription to treat a medical condition that runs in her family. As both the nature of the substance and the content of her explanation require further inquiry and investigation, the IAAF has taken the view that bearing in mind the very serious consequences for the athlete of being suspended and being removed from competition at this late stage, the most appropriate course of action is to allow her to compete pending the completion of the necessary scientific and factual investigations. A press conference hosted by Senior Vice-President Arne Ljungqvist, will take place at the Press Conference Room at the Stade de France at 16:45 today.
t-and-f: Moses speaks
Moses said his first aim was to achieve a time more than three seconds slower - 50.55sec - which would qualify him to run in next year's US Olympic trials. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_357166,00070007.htm Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: Amateur's night at the pharmacy
If you could get the CBC, you would be able to watch both marathons wall-to-wall. Watched the entire men's this afternoon. Almost too much coverage. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Very exciting WC's so far. Just heard the men's marathon results, and still waiting to find out why so many fast guys did poorly or dropped out. Jim Reardon Wisconsin Track Club [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Now the spotlight is on Kelli White
Arne said the same thing about the USATF. That is a distinction without a difference. It astounds me just how sick some of these top level athletes are on a regular basis. We have all those athletes with colds. Now we have an athlete with asthma AND narcolepsy who apparently gained 17 pounds at age 27. It's a wonder that some of them can even get out of bed in the morning let alone perform at a world class level. There is, of course, a more insidious explanation. Find a drug like this that isn't on the list: http://www.modafinil.org/ Scroll down that page. Come up with one of the diseases that it treats. If caught, plead stupidity and count on getting off on a technicality. edndana wrote: Martin - First, USATF isn't going to have the decision on her situation - she tested positive at an IAAF event. Even at a U.S. event, USATF would not be the ones ruling, it would be USADA. So, let's save the sarcastic references for a time when they are actually relevent. Second, the IAAF said there is an excellent chance that this will be treated as doping violation. Would YOU stay on the team knowing that - whether you thought you were innocent or not - the IAAF has suggested you probably will be found guilty? I would hope not. Third, I agree that not telling the IAAF about a substance one is taking IS incredibly stupid. I don't know exactly what they asked her or what she said regarding her medications, so I don't think we can castigate her for this unless we know the specifics. A few snippets in press releases do not constitute us knowing the facts. This is not to defend her - it sounds like she took a stimulant NOT on the list of banned substances. If the wording of the doping rules are such that this is not allowed, then she obviously should be punished. - Ed Parrot - Original Message - From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Now the spotlight is on Kelli White If she is so confident that she is innocent, why did she withdraw from the relay? I, on the other hand, have complete confidence in the USATF and that she will get off on some kind of technicality and that not running the relay will, in hindsight, be seen as a mistake. Like Kelly Guest, at the very least, she is guilty of incredible stupidity for not telling them about ALL of her meds. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IAAF is doing the very thing that Dick Pound is criticizing- letting the athletes continue to compete during an investigation!!! Obviously there is a significant part of the world that doesn't have his viewpoint, not just the U.S.!
Re: t-and-f: The unknown positive?
No on seems to be talking. Let's go back to burning Charlie at the stake. Yes, it's something that happened, he told the Los Angeles Times, the paper that first broke the story on Wednesday. I've moved on. It's something I don't want to talk about. It's something that's a closed door. I don't even think about it now. http://www.cbc.ca/pcgi-bin/templates/sportsView.cgi?/news/2003/08/29/Sports/young030829 Kurt Bray wrote: Okay, now that we know the name, I think it would best for USATF to reveal what was the basis for his exoneration. The LA Times article only says that Young denied all wrongdoing. Yeah, so do they all. If his exoneration was legit or at least reasonable, say a negative B sample or serious evidence of sample tampering or improper testing/handling/storage, then fine. But if it is another one of these beer-and-sex plus spiked tooth paste and I was taking birth control pill stories, then I say strip him of his medals and suspend him. American or no, I'm for getting rid of all cheaters. Kurt Bray _ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental
Re: t-and-f: The unknown positive?
Doesn't matter Jonas. The rule of law only applies in one direction. That is what makes me laugh about the rule mongers and wordsmiths. A couple of examples: 1. Drummond-he broke the rules-kick his sorry ass out of there(I actually have some sympathy for him proving this is not a US/Can) thing as some people have claimed) 28kb legal explanation as to why he is guilty. 2. Young-found innocent under the rules(I have no sympathy for him-just as I had none for the Can triathlete nailed at the CG) 28kb legal explanation as to why he is innocent 3. Charlie-wants to earn a living He's a lying, cheating drug lord. But that was 15 years ago. Doesn't matter. He's still a lying, cheating drug lord. He's served his time. Doesn't matter. He's still a lying, cheating drug lord. There is no proof he is still into drugs. Doesn't matter. He's still a lying, cheating drug lord. Plus there is that mag story from 2000. But that was 3 years ago and he has publlically disavowed that and now says that you can compete clean at a high level. Doesn't matter. He's still a lying, cheating drug lord. Oh ok. Now I see. Never mind. Thanks for clearing that up. Jonas Mureika wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the Times DID explain the basis for the exoneration. Young was tested many times in that year, including something like 10 days before and 10 days after the one test that turned up positive. The Times article had the exact dates. All other tests were negative. At the USATF Appeals Board Hearing, an expert witness said that the positive test was very closely sandwiched between negatives, ... he felt that either the positive test was a laboratory error, or the negative test ten days later was a laboratory error, because it was IMPOSSIBLE for the nandro to get out of his system that fast- there was no other explanation other than one lab error or the other. This is very interesting, because this is exactly what happened with Ben Johnson's second positive test in 1993 (which in that case was a T:E ratio, which has even vaguer thresholds). However, it seems that the point is moot, since Young has admitted to the infraction -- thus no laboratory error has occured (or rather, perhaps the error which occured was that the other tests came up negative).
Re: t-and-f: Now the spotlight is on Kelli White
If she is so confident that she is innocent, why did she withdraw from the relay? I, on the other hand, have complete confidence in the USATF and that she will get off on some kind of technicality and that not running the relay will, in hindsight, be seen as a mistake. Like Kelly Guest, at the very least, she is guilty of incredible stupidity for not telling them about ALL of her meds. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IAAF is doing the very thing that Dick Pound is criticizing- letting the athletes continue to compete during an investigation!!! Obviously there is a significant part of the world that doesn't have his viewpoint, not just the U.S.!
Re: t-and-f: Polnova at WUG
They sent a lot of athletes. Just not for Athletics: http://www.universiade-daegu.org/eng/games/comm/du_scd_by_natl.asp?natl_cd=USAGM_DATE=allx=46y=16 Roger Ruth wrote: I was surprised to find, there, that the U.S. didn't send any athletes to the World University Games. Would this be because: USA is an economically deprived nation? No U. S. athletes of a competitive quality in this age range? All track scholarship athletes in U .S. universities are foreign imports? Maybe someone can enlighten us on the USA non-appearance. Cheers, Roger
Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of edndana Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 Perhaps our 10k guys (and 5k guys) go about training too much like they would for a marathon and don't focus enough on speed. Geb constantly talks about improving his speed. How many of our 10k guys can run 24.5 flat out let alone at the end of a 10k? Jeez, I'm sure at least 8 of our top 10 10K guys could run 24.5 all out, if not all of them. They may never actually have done so, but I bet nearly all of them could. - Ed Parrot _ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Regards, Martin Martin J. Dixon, B. Math. (Hons), C.A., Millard Financial Consulting Inc. P.O. Box 367 96 Nelson Street Brantford, Ontario N3T 5N3 Direct Dial: (519) 759-3708 Ext. 231 Telephone: (519) 759-3511 Private Facsimile: (519) 759-8548 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.millards.com Practice Areas: http://www.millards.com/profs/mjd.htm IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender.
Re: t-and-f: Drummond DQ
I actually have some sympathy for Drummond here having just watched it on the CBC. To me it looked like he came out way after Powell and maybe 3 others. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, the IAAF electronically recorded reaction times show that Drummond went BEFORE Powell, not the other way around. Drummond (USA) with 0.052 sec and Assafa Powell (JAM) 0.086. The accepted reaction time is 0.100 sec. Not that the rule makes any distinction anyway- they were both DQ'd. But even if the rule WERE worded such that the 'first to go is the only one DQ'd' it would appear to have been Drummond who have been given the heave-ho, not Powell! Okay Jon, back in your court. Were the starting blocks sending bad signals too? RT
t-and-f: Women's 10000
Scroll down. Apparently best ever for place 2nd-16th including the Chinese. Too bad no Radcliffe. http://www.iaaf.org/WCH03/results/gender=W/discipline=10K/combCode=hash/roundCode=f/index.html
t-and-f: Ben on the list
It asks whether Johnson was the exception or the rule in a sport that at the very least turned a blind eye to steroid use, Craw said. It will also re-examine the investigation of Johnson's drug use and how his career was destroyed. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030822.wtvto21/BNStory/Sports/ Regards, Martin
Re: t-and-f: SoBig Virus culprit?
Right and it is Telus. There is only one Telus subscriber if you do a who t-and-f. QED. I am trying to get him right now. Louis LeBlanc wrote: You are correct Lance. This worm is almost impossible to track because of all the spoofing it does. However, the ip address in the header will show which mail server it came from. This is the person who needs to be notified of the issue. The from field is irrelevant. That is what is being spoofed. L -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Runner Triathlete News Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:47 PM To: Martin J. Dixon; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: SoBig Virus culprit? I believe that the virus takes addresses from the infected computer's address book and inserts them into the e-mail as the sender. So this person may not be the person with the infected computer, but rather his e-mail address is in the address book of someone else who does have the virus. Of course, some techie on the list may very well say that I'm completely wrong, but that's how I understand the virus to work. Lance Phegley Editor Runner Triathlete News http://www.RunnerTriathleteNews.com Inside Texas Running http://www.InsideTexasRunning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (281) 759-0555 - Original Message - From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Track Field List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: t-and-f: SoBig Virus culprit? This is the only telus person on the list as of right now. Anyone know how to get him? Derek M. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin J. Dixon wrote: I got 12 in 16 minutes that ended at 2:06est and they just started up again exactly 2 hours after the last batch. Anyone recognize this header? ekho143wy166f.bc.hsia.telus.net [216.232.72.146]) Benji Durden wrote: Please see the attached file for details. The SoBig Virus is being sent as if it is from the Track Filed list. Some subscriber is infected and it is spoofing the TF list address as the sender address. Be careful. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Kenyan Question
It was pointed out to me offlist that I am probably remembering a SI article as opposed to a RW article. I guess that makes my point even more and apologies to RW if they weren't rumour mongering. Martin J. Dixon wrote: RW certainly didn't hesitate to go to print and I didn't see a lot of Americans jumping to his defence.
t-and-f: Jericho Mile at Athens?
This had a bit of interest on the TFN board. Just finished reading an article in the July edition of Outside magazine about a 34 year-old originally from Michigan named Jon Gill who, I guess, had some talent in the day. State champ at something or other and finished not too far behind Kennedy in some race. Booze and drugs have landed him in jail and he is just finishing up a 70 month stint. Dick Brown is coaching him. He has aspirations of getting to Athens. Quoting from the article which does not appear to be online anywhere: In the Olympic trials. Gill predicts that he'll run under 3:35. At the Olympics, he'll boldly move to the front, where he couldn't care less about the clock. I'm not running for a time in Athens, says Gill. I'm running to win. It says in the article that one Henry Rono isn't shrugging off his chances. The writer likely doesn't know who Rono is and describes him as follows and makes no mention of some of his difficulties: ...Henry Rono, a 51 year-old Kenyan living in Albuquerque, New Mexico, who broke four different world records in 1978, dominating everything from the 3000 to the 1. I believe that it said in the article that his pre-incarceration pb in the mile was 4:17. I guess the story has subsequently been on CBS and ESPN. Regards, Martin
