Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:26 PM "Kurt Bray" said: Subject: Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records? The situations are not comparable. Ben Johnson was found guilty of cheating, so he and his marks were disqualified. The public certainly understands and accepts that and rightly forgets about Ben. But is that what we are proposing to do? To wipe out all the old records by declaring them tainted and the athletes cheaters? Why not !! What is one of the biggest image problems of hte sport today for Mr John Q Public ?? The idea that everyone in the sport is using drugs .. And what do mostt of us in the know know about the sport and its records ?? That a large majority of them have been tainted by the use of drugs .. If we just take what we know from recorded fact regarding the height of the Eastern Bloc there go half the records in one fell swoop .. So why not tell MR Public "Hey look" .. We know there's been a problem .. So we're increasing our testing efforts and re-establishing the benchmark so as to be fair to all !! For the next few years record breaking will be at an all time high and hopefully so will the interest of Mr Public ... When was the last time you read that Uwe Hohn is stll the "real" WR holder in the javelin? Again, not a valid comparison because in this case they changed the implement. The event was significantly changed such that the marks are not directly comparable. The equivalent change in the 100m would be to lengthen it to 110m or shorten it to 90m and then start keeping new records. In that case people probably would forget about Maurice Greene after a while. But as long as it stayed 100m, and Greene was not discredited in some way, a new "world record" of say 9.89 would always cause many people to say: "Yeah, but what about Mo?". I don't think anyone in the general public has a clue about implement changes .. Heck it takes quite a while for many in the sport to get a clue .. Do you think many sprinters or distance runners can tell you about any implement changes to field events ?? I'll give you another example .. Decathlon and Heptathlon scoring tables .. When they have been changed (and correspondingly the records) who knew or cared outside of the athletes and coaches that were affected ?? And in the case of "yeah but what about MO", in order to make that comparison one would have to know what the actual records were prior to .. And John Q doesn't follow them that closely .. Mr Public doesn't know (or care) what the actual marks are .. He just wants to know for comparisons sake whether or not someone is close to or exceeding them .. I think too often we transfer our need to know the minutiae of the sport along to Mr Public who just wants to know if he is watching quality competition .. And his only benchmark is records (since he isn't paying as close attention as he would to say baseball or football) .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Field Event Distance Conversion
Everyone, Call me crazy, but what the heck are people talking about with regard to an adjusted algorithm to take measurement factors into account? Every meet worldwide, with the exception of some non-championship, relatively unimportant, and certainly not reported to this list meets I've been to at the high school level, measures distances in metric units, rounded to the nearest 0.01m. These are the official distances, and that's what matters for determining who wins, and for record purposes. The only motivation for expressing such a distance in feet and inches is to relate the distances for those who don't have an intuitive feel for the metric, unless some old records measured in feet and inches still stand (do they?). If the official distance is in metric, then it's irrelevant what the official distance would have been, had it been measured in the imperial system. To this end, any "algorithm" capable of converting metric to feet and inches, and rounding to the nearest 1/4 inch, is entirely appropriate. Whether or not it matches TFN's adjusted algorithm is irrelevant, because the distance was measured in meters. I have a very simple program on my calculator that does conversions for me when I'm at a meet, and otherwise I use a windows program that I wrote, available at: http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~riceroo/met-eng2.exe I'd be happy to share either. Shawn Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?
What is one of the biggest image problems of hte sport today for Mr John Q Public ?? The idea that everyone in the sport is using drugs .. I'm not really sure that John Q Public cares all that much about drug use in sports. Seems to be a media focal point and gets this list riled up but the general public just wants to see the competition. Folks who are major football fans are well aware that the behemoths that form their favorite teams' Offensive and Defensive lines are using or have used some sort of pharmeceutical aid to get that way. They really don't care all that much if at all. I had a conversation over the weekend with a person who is a big Tennis fan. The subject of drugs in that sport came up and he acknowledged that some of the stars are probably dirty. Didn't seem to bother him one bit. While speaking about the upcoming Olympics he did say that the coverage of them was going to suck because he would already know who the world's fastest human was and would not watch an event which he knew who the winner was. Not a good omen for the boys and girls at NBC. Steve S.
t-and-f: HARRISONS MAKING DOUBLE TROUBLE FOR OPPONENTS
HARRISONS MAKING DOUBLE TROUBLE FOR OPPONENTS BRISBANE, Australia (AP) - They think, talk, act and run alike -- and they're making history together. They're the Harrison brothers -- Alvin and Calvin -- the first twins to make a U.S. Olympic track team. "We've already made history by being the first twins on the team, now we want to add to it," Alvin said. They will get that opportunity at Sydney, hoping to run in the 1,600-meter relay final, win gold medals and break the world record. Alvin is virtually assured a place on the relay team, after finishing second to Michael Johnson in the 400 meters at the Olympic trials in Sacramento, Calif., last month. Calvin was fifth at the trials and he is contending with his brother, plus Johnson, third-place finisher Antonio Pettigrew and fourth-place finisher Jerome Young for a spot in the final. Even if the brothers don't run in the final, they would still earn gold medals if they run in preliminary rounds on the way to a U.S. victory. Alvin already has an Olympic gold. He ran the second leg on the winning 1996 team that included Lamont Smith, Derek Mills and Anthuan Maybank and was timed in 2 minutes, 55.99 seconds, the fourth-fastest in history. *** For the full Harrison brothers feature, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2569303714-e46
Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?
In a message dated 8/30/00 8:05:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not? Because if you declare all the records drug-tainted and invalid you'll take down some major icons along with those evil commie cheaters - that's why. And some of those icons may hire lawyers to argue the point on their behalf. Sure we'd get rid of the East German marks that are documented to be dirty, but we'd also get rid of records held by JJK, Michael Johnson, El G, Geb, Jonathan Edwards, Bubka, and others. Many of these people are still competing and still testing negative. you mean like Ben Johnson for all those years pre-Seoul? :-) gh
Re: t-and-f: Ottey 10''99.
Looks like Ottey is bound and determined to run her way into the starting blocks for the Olympic 100 meters ! Conway Hill[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Michalis Nikitaridis To: Track Field Mailing list ; Athletics Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:29 AM Subject: t-and-f: Ottey 10''99. Ottey won the 100 m. in Olympic Meeting of Thessaloniki in 10''99., the best performance of the meeting so far.Samuel Matete won the 400 m. hurdles with 49''03.beating Thomas, Thompson and Davis. The meeting is in progress. Michalis Nikitaridis - Panayotis Christopoulos http://www.athletix.gr
Re: t-and-f: Ottey 10''99.
In a message dated 8/30/00 11:04:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks like Ottey is bound and determined to run her way into the starting blocks for the Olympic 100 meters ! i want to know who it is they're planning on knocking off the team to put her on, and what the over/under is on how long it takes for the knockee to file suit. gh
t-and-f: SURVIVOR--looks like we finish a day early!
since we had a tie, insead of just a single today, there will be a pair for day 7: Meb Lojo And we were close to a 3-way tie. Escaping by the skin of his teeth yet again was a guy who has been no lower than No. 3 ever since day 3, but somehow manages to escape day after day. I'll ID him when (if?) he's finally gone. gh
t-and-f: SURVIVOR--day 8
Dudes! you've got 24 hours (i.e., until noon PDT Thursday) to cut yet another Sacto champion from the dinner table. If you didn't vote previously, doesn't mean you can't vote now. And no, you don't have to say the same thing two days in a row. Here are the 9 remaining potential dinner guests to choose from: Pascal Dobert Adam Goucher Allen Johnson Angelo Taylor Charles Austin Adam Nelson Adam Setliff Lance Deal Tom Pappas gh recap: day 1 eliminated Seaman Mo, day 2 Greer MJ, day 3 Gabe Everett, day 4 Lister, day 5 Howard, day 6 Capel, day 7 Meb Lojo
t-and-f: Drugs in Sport
The comment " Sure we'd get rid of the East German marks that are documented to be dirty" was made in today's list. All GDR marks can be considered dirty. In 1977 I was in the GDR for 3 weeks as part of the first group of Western coaches and sports officials allowed into the country. They said to us point blank, when asked about how such a small country could have won so many medals at Montreal, " It's not just the steroids". They made absolutely no attempt to deny that they used drugs. Their position was that steroids administered under medical supervision were safe. It is likely true that many athletes did not even know that they were on steroids. Ken Ken Parker Runner's Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html
Re: t-and-f: HOMEMADE METRIC PERVERSION CALCULATORS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The metric conversion of 0.3048 to feet is precise; it is not a rounded estimate. It is actually better than that, it is exact. Now for something that may be hard for you metrically challenged people to hear: Sit down first. The foot is actually defined in terms of the meter. 1 foot equals 0.3048 meters by federal law; this has been true for many years. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you. :-) -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck
Re: t-and-f: ottey on the JAM team
In a message dated 8/30/00 11:52:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The word at the JAM trials was that Beveryly Macdonald was only going to run the 200m at the games, thus clearing a spot for Ottey. story on www.sportserver.com on 8/14 said, "McDonald also qualified at 200m and she dropped out of the 100m at last year's world championships when wuqlified for both due to schedulign conflicts. However, no such problem arises for Sydney, and her coach is adamant she will utilize both the spots she has earned." ??? gh
Re: t-and-f: HOMEMADE METRIC PERVERSION CALCULATORS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, folks, all of these calculators and things are completely worthless if you do not understand how to convert. The Cray 1 will not give the right conversion without the right "fudge" added in!! Rather than do all of this work, why not just get a Green Book. We have already done the work! Scott Davis Or you could just go "cold turkey," make no attempt to convert, and throw all of those silly little books away. :-) -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com "Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated..." - Coach Bill Sudeck
Re: t-and-f: HOMEMADE METRIC PERVERSION CALCULATORS
I have been using the simplest of methodologies to convert precisely meters to feet and inches, with nothing more than a simple pocket calculator. No spread sheet or computer program is necessary. The metric conversion of 0.3048 to feet is precise; it is not a rounded estimate. Enter meters in the calculator. Divide by 0.3048. This gives feet and tenths of a foot, which, of course, is a problem! So, remembering how many feet you had, now subtract that number from the array, leaving just the decimal portion of feet. Multiply by 12. What you are now reading is inches and fractions of an inch, after the decimal point. Now, how international rules round those fractions up or down is another matter! You'll have to deal with that as best you can. For example, my daughter's best high school triple jump was 12.77 meters. 12.77/.3048 = 41.896325. So, I know it's 41-something. Subtract the 41, leaving the decimal. Multiply 0.896325 by 12, giving 10.7559. I make that 10 3/4 inches. So, the jump is 41-10.75. I have done this procedure so many times that it takes me literally just a couple of seconds, from start to finish. Don Schlesinger
Re: t-and-f: Olympic Weather
In a message dated 8/30/00 2:25:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With some of the recent performances we have seen coming out of some meets such as in Gateshead the other day, what type of weather will be expected in Sydney during the games ?? While there has been mention of the drought of records so far this year, there will be no guarantee in Sydney if the weather is not advantageous chances of records in Sydney are probably slim and none no matter how good the weather is (relatively speaking). It'll be too cold in the sprints (even 80 is prob. too cold), the distances won't have the needed rabbits and nobody sets field-event records anymore. We'll just have to enjoy the competition for the best of reasons: for competition's sake alone. Oh darn. gh
RE: t-and-f: Drugs in Sport
Sounds a lot like Eugene,OR during the same period, only the East Germans were less sophisticated! malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Parker Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:33 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: t-and-f: Drugs in Sport The comment " Sure we'd get rid of the East German marks that are documented to be dirty" was made in today's list. All GDR marks can be considered dirty. In 1977 I was in the GDR for 3 weeks as part of the first group of Western coaches and sports officials allowed into the country. They said to us point blank, when asked about how such a small country could have won so many medals at Montreal, " It's not just the steroids". They made absolutely no attempt to deny that they used drugs. Their position was that steroids administered under medical supervision were safe. It is likely true that many athletes did not even know that they were on steroids. Ken Ken Parker Runner's Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html
Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?
the public's tolerance for playing fast and footlo0se with the ability to set records is immense. Perhaps there's a reason we stay a fringe (and get ever fringier) sport. You have to say it while holding your nose, so it comes out 'fridge', as in where Joe Six-Pack heads whenever the 5K comes on the tube. RT
t-and-f: Re: Rome on the Tim Seaman story
All: On Tim: Yes he gets "free" room board, in the sense that he does not have to work a "real job" to pay for it. The majority of his expenses are covered from the following sources: Mom Dad, USATF, USATF-LI, NYAC and various fundraising activities from the RW population which support the entire RW team at ARCO. For this he has 2-3 workouts a day and no life to go with it. The guy ate PBJ sandwiches for 2 years to get where he is. On Rome: He is the biggest jackass in media today. His entire career has benn made on being a punk, and it is why he was banished from mainstream ESPN coverage to the westcoast only (or mostly). It was a shame that footballer Jim Everett did not kick the living crap out of this jerk when he had the chance, although the shots he got in on live tv were a work of art. MJR
t-and-f: wava tables
Netters This comment by me is a blatant attempt to cause trouble and havoc on the list. i do not believe what i am going to say and ignore it for the stupidity it is. however I know someone is already thinking it. You didn't ask, but Merlene's 10.99 at age 40 (into a slight wind) is worth 10.4 as an open mark on the WAVA Age-Graded Tables. Another way to appreciate Ottey's performance: Consider the M40 results at the USATF Masters nationals in Eugene. She would have taken second! First comment. The tables need to be reworked then. Second comment That 10.49 is suspiciously close to another suspicious mark. Take that where you like :) Disclaimer this nonsense does not represent the true opinion of the writer as he has destroyed his brain cells in a 9000 foot hypoxic environment and has no opinions. Good Training, Michael Rohl
Re: t-and-f: some results from sweden (Greer misses again)
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:35:15 +1000, you wrote: Växjö, Sweden 29 augusti 2000 http://www.ifkvaxjo.g.se/FOLKSAM/index.htm M Spjut (Jav?) 1 Breaux Greer 76 USA 7916 2 Daniel Ragnvaldsson 76 IFK Strömsund 7055 3 Mikael Snällfot 80 Nedre Soppero IK 6944 First nomination for name of the year (past years have included names like Nathan Leeper). I mean somebody who's a javelin thrower is usually not cut out to be a sprinter, and with a name like Snail Foot, well P.S.- one of the online translators that I tried says that Snällfot means "kind", so I suppose we should be kind to the poor fellow... RT
Re: t-and-f: FW: AA Information Release - Notification of Doping Case
I don't understand why it takes more than 10 months to suspend somebody who doesn't even choose to contest the finding or even request a hearing. RT On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:47:39 +1100 (EST), you wrote: Some stats lists from 1999 and 2000 - mine included - may need to be amended following this news release about discus thrower Gerard Duffy. Regards - Graham Thomas - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack/ -Original Message- From: Stephen Lock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2000 1:54 PM To: AA email list Subject: AA Information Release - Notification of Doping Case ATHLETICS AUSTRALIA INFORMATION RELEASE Thursday 31 August 2000 NOTIFICATION OF DOPING CASE Athletics Australia advises that athlete Gerard Duffy, following an out of competition test conducted by ASDA, has recorded a positive test for the prohibited substance, testosterone. Mr Duffy has advised Athletics Australia that he does not wish to contest the finding and does not require a hearing. In accordance with IAAF Rules 59(4) and 60(2)(a), he is therefore declared ineligible for the prescribed period of two years from the date of the test, 8 October 1999. He is also disqualified from the competitions in which he has competed since that date - namely 16 October, 6 November, 4 December, 15 January and 1 February, which results will be amended accordingly. END OF RELEASE This information has been provided by: Athletics Australia, Suite 22, Fawkner Towers, 431 St Kilda Road, Melbourne, Victoria, 3004, Australia Ph: 61 3 98203511 Fax: 61 3 9820 3544 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.athletics.org.au To view past media releases visit http://admin.listbox.com/ath_australia_release/current/index.html
Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?
This hardly seems like the answer. Too many non-whites in US football, basketball? Tiger Woods effect on the popularity of golf, the Williams sisters on tennis? If we think that's the solution, it really is evidence that we're out of the loop. Spectators (as opposed to participants or former participants) like good competition and personalities who know how to play to the audience. Neither is coming across very well in our mass media. Making the sport and the athletes more telegenic seems more important to me and I don't believe race is the issue. I don't see any sinister psychological undercurrents in that list of names. Who else would you add in the UK of similar stature in recent times besides Christie (a clean incarnation??) and Edwards? Bill Bahnfleth At 11:19 AM 8/30/2000 -0700, A.J. Craddock wrote: Well, you hit the nail right on the head. What you are really saying, and it probably popped out subconsciously, is .. get more white guys winning races again, and the sport might regain its popularity. A hideous statement, but one that I am sure is much discussed in the corridors of power in this demographics driven age. And this is really the hidden issue affecting the sports' popularity that no-one wants to acknowledge in public. Tony Craddock ___ At 05:29 PM 8/30/00 +0100, northam wrote: Why not !! What is one of the biggest image problems of hte sport today for Mr John Q Public ?? Why are those of us that love track and field so worried about Joe Public? If the vast majority don't like our sport, so what? I know it's nice that other people like something you like, but for Joe Public to like track and field it seems the sport must be dumbed down. New world records, different distances, no long distance races in televised meets. Perhaps if the sport was more popular it would get more TV coverage, but IMHO that would mean more of those horrible profile spots, more people spouting off without knowing what they are talking about. If the sport becomes more popular let it be on its own terms. As long as people want to run, throw and Jump - and even walk - there will always be track and field. If the great unwashed don't like it, I don't care. Sports popularity always goes in cycles. Even football (the proper kind) suffered a few years ago in the Uk. Attendances were down and the sport had a thuggish appeal. Now it's hugely popular and hugely fashionable. If we get another Coe, Ovett and Cram along at the same time no doubt track and field will become popular again. Randall Northam _ William P. Bahnfleth, Ph.D., P.E. Associate Professor Department of Architectural Engineering The Pennsylvania State University 224 Engineering Unit A University Park, PA 16802-1416 USA voice: 814.863.2076 / fax: 814.863.4789 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/faculty/bahnfleth.htm _
RE: t-and-f: Talking tough
Jai's a bit "out there" generally, and it is fair to say, he takes liberties even with Australian-English... Even as a native-speaker, i can only hazard a guess and suggest he means they are babies... or that they tend to spill their beers (a much bigger insult downunder)... Look out for "Jumping Jai" at the Games (if the event/sport gets any coverage up there). He's a very extroverted character, tattoos aplenty, long hair, smokes like a chimney. At the recent trials he opening with a terrible 7.80m or so jump (25 and a half feet?) but jumped around as if he'd broken the world record... asked why... he said he just wanted to wake up the crowd... In a message dated 8/29/00 17:43:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "They only jump big in America, and these guys, these three guys, are a bunch of dribblers, that's all I'm saying. i give up, what's a dribbler? Malmo, where's that Excel Strine-to-English conversion chart? :-) gh Reckon you know your stuff? Come try our Olympics track and field tipping comp http://surf.to/bayside
Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?
Can't say I agree. How many white champions has the NBA had since Larry Bird began his decline? 10+ years of popularity that kicks the butt of anything TF dreams of. The NFL became increasingly popular while becoming increasingly black, and the same could possibly be said for baseball, tennis, and golf of late. Sure, white people want white champions to root for, just as Americans want American champions to root for, but it doesn't appear to play a big role in the popularity of the different sports. Dan --- "A.J. Craddock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you hit the nail right on the head. What you are really saying, and it probably popped out subconsciously, is . get more white guys winning races again, and the sport might regain its popularity. A hideous statement, but one that I am sure is much discussed in the corridors of power in this demographics driven age. And this is really the hidden issue affecting the sports' popularity that no-one wants to acknowledge in public. Tony Craddock = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 8,000 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan |\/ ^- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 home, (503)945-6622 work __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: t-and-f: ottey on the JAM team
Kebba Tolbert schreef: The word at the JAM trials was that Beveryly Macdonald was only going to run the 200m at the games, thus clearing a spot for Ottey. Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Word in the international media after the trials was that MacDonald had no intention of giving up her spot in the 100 m? Given that, I was kind of surprised everybody copied the message about Ottey running the 100 in Sydney without anybody explaining who would (been) withdrawn. Wilmar Kortleever
Re: t-and-f: Brussels 10K
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: There has been some discussion as to whether Felix Limo, listed as finishing second in the Brussels 10K, had actually been lapped. Part of the reasoning, obviously, is that Felix apparently did not have the credentials to be running anywhere near the front of such a race. His previous PR's were 13:23.43 (99) and 28:23.30 (99). However, according to one astute observer, (namely my brother, agent of several athletes in the race), Limo was NOT lapped. This is what he wrote to me in response to my query: Dan-He was definitely not lapped. He was following Kalya the whole way and then when Kalya started to slow down he kept up the same speed (closing the gap to Tergat). If he would have waited and surprised Tergat later in the last 100m instead of passing him just after the lap he might have won. Dan Lilot Track Field News I can confirm most of this, although most of the people there were watching Tergat and his gap to no. 2. Ivuti. Limo indeed came out of the second group. I can tell you it took the organisers a very long time to produce the results of this event. And nowadays it is fun that you can see why that is: the press stand monitors kept giving an incomplete result for the 10k (namely, the time of the winner Tergat), obviously while they were determining who was number two (read: whether Limo had indeed ran all the 25 laps). Wilmar Kortleever Race Results Weekly reporter
Re: t-and-f: High-Low
In a message dated 8/29/00 6:47:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know if we have any Olympic team members, from the 1500m up, who used the "high-low" model for training Wasn't Suzy F-H using the tent also? Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: Ottey 10.99 in Greece, Lamela Jayasinghe back
IAAF Permit Meeting, 30 Aug 2000, Thessaloniki, Greece MEN 100 m. 10''29. Denis Mitchel (USA); 10''32 Donovan Bailey (CAN); 10''36. Coby Miller (USA); 10''40. Davis Patros (FRA); 10''57. Aninos Markoulidis (CYP); 10''63. Roland Nemeth (HUN) 200 m. 20" 55. Cobby Miller (USA); 20" 72. Denis Mitchell (USA); 20" 96. Alexios Alexopoulos (GRE); 21" 17. Anastassios Goussis (GRE); 21" 74. Roshan Griffin (USA); 21" 83. Georgios Assariotakis (GRE). Race 2. 20" 81. Ramas Urbas (POL); 20" 83. Anninos Markoulidis (CYP); 20" 88. Patrick Van Balkom (NED) 400 m. 46" 08. Ibrahim Kwade (FRA); 46" 73. Georgios Economidis (GRE); 46" 74. Stylianos Dimotsios (GRE) 800 m. 1' 44" 45. Ali Hecini (ALG) 400 m. hurdles. 49''03. Samuel Matete (ZAM); 49''35. Periklis Iakovakis (GRE) pb.; 49''94. Eric Thomas (USA); 50''24. Kemel Thompson (JAM); 51''02. Calvin Davis (USA) 3.000 m. steeple. 8'37''48. Abrahan Cherono (KEN); 8'37"60. K. Kosgei (KEN); 8'39"07. L.Walle (ETH) High Jump. 2, 32 m. Mark Boswell CAN); 2, 30 m. Lambros Papakostas (GRE); 2, 23 m. Kwaku Boateg; 2, 15 Constantinos Liapis; 2, 15 m. Dimitrios Tomaras; 2, 15 m. Dimitrios Syrakos, DNM Antony Inteata (NGR) Long Jump. 8, 22 m. Yago lamela (ESP); 8, 17 m. Yonus Mudrik (MAR); 8, 13 m. Carlos Calado (POR); 8, 11 m. James Beckford (JAM); 8, 09 m. Constantinos Koukodimos (GRE); 8, 00 m. Dimitrios Serelis (GRE); 7, 98 m. Gregor Cancar; 7, 96 m. Stergios Noussios (GRE) pb. Hammer Throw 80,21 m. Oli-Pekka Karjalainen (FIN); 79, 81 m. Alexandros Papadimitriou; 79, 12 m. Szymon Ziolkowski (POL), 78, 87 m. Christos Polychroniou, 78, 06 m. Vladimir Maska (CZE); 77, 73 m. Heins Weis (GER); 69, 33 m. Nikolaos Gentekos (GRE) Shot Put. 19, 31 m. Vaios Tigas (GRE); 18, 38 m. Andreas Anastassopoulos (GRE); 18, 13 m. Christos Sarakoglou (GRE) WOMEN 100 m. (-0.6 m/s) 10''99. Marleen Ottey (JAM); 11"03. Sevatheda Fynes; 11" 21. Christy Gaines . 11" 76. Panayota Koutrouli; 11" 76. Paraskevi Patoulidou 200 m. (-1 m/s). 22"55. Susanthika Jayasinghe (SRI); 23" 19. Donne Fraser (GBR); 23" 21. Ekaterini Koffa (GRE); 23" 73. Chryssoula Goudenoudi (GRE) 400 m. 51" 53. Ebun Olabisi Afolabi (NGR); 51" 76. Monique Hennagan (USA); 52" 12. Karen Shinkins (IRL) 1.500 m. 4' 11" 66. Olga Kuznetsova (RUS) 400 m. hurdles 54"52. Nesha Bidouane (MAR); 54"71. Sandra Cummings Glover (USA); 55¨68. Urlike Urbansky (GER); 55''91. Heike Meissner (GER); 56''76. Susan Smith (IRL); 57''38. Judit Szekeres (HUN) Pole Vault. 4, 40 m. Nicole Humbert Rieger (GER); 4, 30 m. Mary Sauer (USA); 4, 20 m. Monique De Wilt (NED); 4, 20 m. Pavla Hamackova (CZE); 4, 10 m. Doris Auer (AUT); 4, 00 m. Thaleia Iakovidou; 4, 00 m. Georgia Tsiliggiri Long Jump. 6, 70 m. Niurka Montalvo (ESP); 6, 64 m. Niki Xanthou; 6, 60 m. Lisuta Cuza (CUB); 6, 55 m. Valentina Gotovska (LAT) Triple Jump. 14, 79 m. Tereza Marinova (BUL), 14, 62 m. Anja Valant (SLO); 14, 22 m. Christina Nikolau (ROM); 14, 05 m. Dimitra Markou (GRE) pb.; 13, 82 m. Baya Rahouli (ALG); 12, 77 m. Chryssopigi Devetzi (GRE) Discus Throw. 65,98 m. Natalya Sadova (RUS); 63, 66 m. Ekaterini Voggoli (GRE); 63, 64 m. Nicoletta Grasu (ROM); Stella Tsikouna 63, 30 m. André Sammartino Reckon you know your stuff? Come try our Olympics track and field tipping comp http://surf.to/bayside
t-and-f: Oops
oops, should sayThessaloniki results from http://www.eexi.gr/athletix/Salonika2000.html André Sammartino Reckon you know your stuff? Come try our Olympics track and field tipping comp http://surf.to/bayside
t-and-f: Sydney weather
For all of you 'Celsius challenged' listers, here's a snapshot of the type of 'Fahrenheit' weather to be expected in Sydney this September. My source is Intellicast, a dot.com weather service. Take it for what it's worth. September in Sydney: Record low: 41 degrees Normal low: 51 degrees Normal high: 67 degrees Record high: 92 degrees Average monthly rainfall: 2.9" Number of rainy day: 12 Since Jim Rome has no interest in the Olympics, those of you fortunate enough to be attending the Sydney Games will not be sitting next to him. Most certainly many of you will be canceling your tickets due to this tragic circumstance. :-) Bruce Glikin p.s. Malmo, are you available on a 'consulting/fee basis' for non-geek types? Not only am I unable to convert metric, my blood pressure goes off the charts when I open 'Excel' and stare blankly at those daunting spread sheets. Those are spread sheets, aren't they? winmail.dat
RE: t-and-f: Olympic Weather
Try this link http://www.olympic.bom.gov.au/olympic/ Olympic weather support - with years of historic trends for Sydney weather in September. First forecasts for the specific Olympic Park area will be available over the weekend. Here's the current forecast for Sydney: SYDNEY OUTLOOK FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS: Friday Fine. Increasing cloud. W/NW winds. City:Min: 11 Max: 21 Saturday Early showers then fine. SW change. City:Min: 10 Max: 20 Sunday Fine, partly cloudy. SW winds. City:Min: 10 Max: 19 Sorry I did not convert celsius to farenheit. Regards - GT - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack/ -Original Message- From: Conway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2000 8:21 To: TFMail List Subject: t-and-f: Olympic Weather With some of the recent performances we have seen coming out of some meets such as in Gateshead the other day, what type of weather will be expected in Sydney during the games ?? While there has been mention of the drought of records so far this year, there will be no guarantee in Sydney if the weather is not advantageous .. So does anyone know what the weather is expected to be ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: Olympic Weather
It is beautiful here in Sydney today and things could get even better. However we could easily have a cold change and rain , wind etc even in Summer. My guess is you will see the range of weather while the Olympics is on. The most likely problem will be wind and this could spoil woorld records on the track if it comes from the wrong direction. Qualifying in sprints as a fastest loser will be very much a lottery. regards Steve Bennett http://www.oztrack.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Conway Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 7:21 AM To: TFMail List Subject: t-and-f: Olympic Weather With some of the recent performances we have seen coming out of some meets such as in Gateshead the other day, what type of weather will be expected in Sydney during the games ?? While there has been mention of the drought of records so far this year, there will be no guarantee in Sydney if the weather is not advantageous .. So does anyone know what the weather is expected to be ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Gateshead 4x100
Title: Gateshead 4x100 Conway Hill asked: A US team won the 4x1 at Gateshead in a nice 37.95 .. Does anyone know who the personnel was on that team ?? Result was: 4x100: 1 USA (all HSI) (Drummond, Williams, C Johnson, Greene) 37.95 2 GBR (Chambers, Campbell, Devonish, Gardener) 38.35 3, GBR B 39.19 4, USA 2 (Saddler, Griffin, Miller, Dees) 39.60 Most impressive run by the HSI squad. This was early in the meeting (2.25 pm). It had rained hard an hour or two earlier - but no rain at this time. Later rained through much of the afternoon. The individual 100m was last event at 5.10 pm. This is my report which accompanies the detailed results in this week's 12-page issue of Athletics International (solid worldwide results to world top 200 standards). Maurice Greene will not be unduly bothered by his third place in the 100m, but Dwain Chambers was thrilled by his most impressive victory in this IAAF GP II meeting. Despite a headwind of 0.3 m/s and the usual cool, wet conditions in Britain¹s North-East he was off well, ahead of Greene at 40m and won clearly with a season¹s best of 10.11 as Bernard Williams also beat Greene. This race provided a splendid finale for the 8000 crowd who had braved the conditions and who also enjoyed four other British victories from Steve Backley in the javelin, Christian Malcolm, who equalled his season¹s best at 200m, Donna Fraser, benefitting from training with Cathy Freeman, at her ideal distance of 300m, and from Jonathan Edwards at triple jump. Edwards had to take five jumps to ensure victory, but he did that emphatically with 17.48 after two long but narrow fouls earlier he reckoned his fourth jump to have been about 17.70-17.80. He is concerned about an ankle injury, but still seems able to produce top-class performances; more worrying was the health of Sandra Glover, world leader at the women¹s 400m hurdles, who started with bandages on both legs, and who pulled out at the first hurdle. Maurice Greene had enjoyed his first race of the day, for he anchored a USA Select (all HSI members) team to the world¹s fastest 4x100m time of the year 37.95 and he captivated the crowd by encouraging the under-15 sprinters. André Bucher again beat Wilson Kipketer, but the latter is happy with his form, and both men were inside the stadium record. That was smashed in the men¹s 1500m and in the women¹s 3000m. Steve Cram¹s 3:35.2 from 1985 was left far behind by the brilliant Ali Saïdi-Sief; in only his second race of the year at his favourite distance the 22 year-old Algerian improved his pb to 3:30.82. Sonia O¹Sullivan kicked for home from 170m to pass Paula Radcliffe, who had led from 1300m, to win at 3000m in 8:33.00 and there were notable pbs from Libbie Hickman, who at the age of 35 improved her best from 8:43.32 to 8:35.02 and from Jo Pavey, who took 17 seconds off her best with 8:36.70 hugely encouraging for a most talented athlete who had missed two years through injury prior to this summer. Angelo Taylor ran the flat 400m for the first time for over two months and beat Mark Richardson and Cathy Freeman stepped down to run a season¹s best at 200m, coming from some 3m down after the bend to sweep past Inger Miller and Bev McDonald. Peter Matthews, Editor International Athletics Annual, Co-publisher Athletics International 10 Madgeways Close, Great Amwell, Ware, Herts SG12 9RU, England Tel. 44 (0)1920 870434, Fax 44 (0)1920 877392
t-and-f: Brussels 10K
There has been some discussion as to whether Felix Limo, listed as finishing second in the Brussels 10K, had actually been lapped. Part of the reasoning, obviously, is that Felix apparently did not have the credentials to be running anywhere near the front of such a race. His previous PR's were 13:23.43 (99) and 28:23.30 (99). However, according to one astute observer, (namely my brother, agent of several athletes in the race), Limo was NOT lapped. This is what he wrote to me in response to my query: Dan-He was definitely not lapped. He was following Kalya the whole way and then when Kalya started to slow down he kept up the same speed (closing the gap to Tergat). If he would have waited and surprised Tergat later in the last 100m instead of passing him just after the lap he might have won. Dan Lilot Track Field News
t-and-f: Hickman's 3K
Don't forget that Hickman ran a 1:11:01 half-marathon to win Parkersburg just 9 days before her awesome run in Gateshead. sideshow
Re: t-and-f: Re: where are all the world records?
Why not !! What is one of the biggest image problems of hte sport today for Mr John Q Public ?? Why are those of us that love track and field so worried about Joe Public? If the vast majority don't like our sport, so what? I know it's nice that other people like something you like, but for Joe Public to like track and field it seems the sport must be dumbed down. New world records, different distances, no long distance races in televised meets. Perhaps if the sport was more popular it would get more TV coverage, but IMHO that would mean more of those horrible profile spots, more people spouting off without knowing what they are talking about. If the sport becomes more popular let it be on its own terms. As long as people want to run, throw and Jump - and even walk - there will always be track and field. If the great unwashed don't like it, I don't care. Sports popularity always goes in cycles. Even football (the proper kind) suffered a few years ago in the Uk. Attendances were down and the sport had a thuggish appeal. Now it's hugely popular and hugely fashionable. If we get another Coe, Ovett and Cram along at the same time no doubt track and field will become popular again. Randall Northam
Re: t-and-f: Conversion Lesson [was List Supervisor ...]
With this method, just make sure you understand that you are getting only an approximation. You are not truly doing the conversion correctly. All such conversions require a "fudge" factor, which I have fully explained in the preface to the Green Book, Gold Book, Blue Book, etc. You have to use this "fudge" factor, for lack of a better term to get the true conversion. You have simplified the problem greatly. Scott Davis
Re: t-and-f: Writers needed.
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t-and-f: Olympic Weather
With some of the recent performances we have seen coming out of some meets such as in Gateshead the other day, what type of weather will be expected in Sydney during the games ?? While there has been mention of the drought of records so far this year, there will be no guarantee in Sydney if the weather is not advantageous .. So does anyone know what the weather is expected to be ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
