t-and-f: Tatiana Grigorieva.
Cathy Freeman may have stopped the Nation on the night she ran for Gold but a Pole Vaulter unknown to the general public has now become a household name in Australia. - Tatiana Grigorieva. More info in the main story at www.oztrack.com regards Steve Bennett
t-and-f: Follow Rob Evans (University of Florida) (hilarious!)
Rob Evans, University of Florida's lone Men's NCAA xc qualifier last season is participating the Paralympic games in Sydney Australia. He will also be missing the SEC meet due to his participation. Yesterday he broke the World Record for his group in the 1500. Go to: http://www.coachnet.net/Robevans/rob_evanindex.htm He is sending updates and has given me permission to post them. ENJOY!!! They are super (and hilarious) as only Rob could do! *** Fred Finke, LDR, Coach Selection Coordinator --- O Men's Team Leader, World Cross, Morocco, 1998 -- ^_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \/\ Coach-net, Helping the High School Athlete --- \ visit me at: http://www.coachnet.net or Sports info: http://www.WorldChampionships2001.com ***
RE: t-and-f: Paralympians off fast in Sydney
Hi All I saw this performance in the highlights show the BBC is broadcasting each day. I was absolutely awestruck. For those who, like me, are unaware of advances in medical science, these guys and women are amputees and run using a prosthetic limb which is hard to describe but is a flat, curved piece of springy material onto which a shoe can be fitted. I'd seen them before used by a catwalk model with no legs - I had no idea these limbs were used in sport. The leg effectively stores energy when pressed to the ground and releases it through simply springing back to regain its shape. I assume that each leg is unique, dependent on the strength of the individual. Watching the athletes run is amazing - from the waist up, you really can't tell that this is not a two legged runner. There is a slight gait change - the drive from the good leg looks different to that from the replacement leg - but Marlon Shirley was sure able to jump around when he won! This was a very powerful and composed piece of sprinting. I have to write it again just so I believe it - this guy ran 11.09 with a false leg! As part of the build-up we were shown a 200m runner with two of these false legs, plus his arms amputated above the elbow, running around 24 seconds! One thing which has been very obvious to me watching the Paralympics is that we are now seeing disabled athletes competing rather than athletic disabled people. A fine line perhaps, but it is clear that some of the competitors have athletic ability which, but for luck, may well have shown itself at a high level in the able bodied sports world. Of course, while admiring the athletic ability it is impossible not to be humbled by the event. The joy in competing, the triumph over adversities most of us can only have nightmares about, the goodwill of the competitors and the substantial crowds (credit to you again, Sydney) are awe-inspiring. The commitment and drive required to run fast is always impressive - when the body you are working with has one arm, suffers cerebral palsy, is paralysed down one side or confines you to a wheelchair, well that's a whole different league to me. I've always been one of those who (perhaps rather patronisingly) thought the Paralympics was great but didn't pay much attention. Thanks to daily coverage from the BBC - who cover it exactly as they do any other sports event - I'm a complete convert. Just fantastic. 11.09, with a false legwow. Justin -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:48 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Paralympians off fast in Sydney Y ask Y: Marlon Ray Shirley of Olympia, Wash., set a world record of 11.09 seconds to win the men's 100 (T44 class) at Olympic Stadium, beating the 11.33 of previous record holder and U.S. teammate Brian Frasure. The 22-year-old Shirley, who lost his left foot in a childhood accident, also beat the gold and silver medalists from the Atlanta Paralympics. Lots of interesting results from Down Under among the disabled-who-run-faster-than-99.9%-of-the-abled. Even though www.olympics.com is posting medalists, the best results are at: http://www.paralympic.org/ Ken Stone (age-disabled, M45) http://www.masterstrack.com ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: t-and-f: chicago marathon
On Sun, 22 October 2000, Tony Banovich wrote: But, the times, men or women, don't really bode that well for the argument that the trials should be held on a "flat, fast" course like Chicago. Hell, still only a couple more people made it under the "A" standard. I don't think this year's Chicago Marathon, sharing the calendar with the Olympic Trials, was a fair test of that argument. Most of the athletes undoubtedly trained to peak for the Trials, and I would bet that a lot of them had a hard time getting back up, mentally as well as physically, for Chicago just a few months later. Notice that the two best American men's performances--Eric Mack and Josh Cox--came from a marathon debutante and a young guy still trying to scratch his way into the sport--in other words, the guys with the most to prove, and possibly the freshest legs. (Yes, I know Khannouchi is an American, but because the focus here is on the sport's development in the U.S., I'm looking only at "home-grown" runners.) Looking at the splits, it's also interesting to note that Mack and Cox ran much closer to even splits than the rest of the American men; nearly all of the other guys who ran the Trials were part of the same group at the halfway mark but then dropped a couple of minutes in the last 10-15K. That sure smells of late-season burn-out to me. On the women's side, there is now no question that Chris Clark was the best female American marathoner this year, and arguably the best of either sex (again, setting aside Khannouchi for the moment). For my money, her runs at the Trials and then the Games are the #1 and #2 performances by an American marathoner in 2000, male or female. And before I get blasted on the Khannouchi thing: I am thrilled that this guy now runs for the United States, and I know that he's as "American" as every other passport-carrying citizen. In some ways, I think, his experiences as an immigrant make him more quintessentially American than a native-born, middle-class guy like me. I just don't think it's useful to include him in the equation when the discussion is focused on how the sport is developing here, or on trends in performances by American athletes. Regards, Jay Ulfelder -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] is brought to you by the Stanford Alumni Association and Critical Path.
t-and-f: Peter Tegen/U.S. College system
The following article was written by David Honea for this week's issue of X-Country X-Press, but I thought list members should see it. Walt Murphy(Publisher X-X) Peter Tegen by David Honea for X-Country X-Press A few years ago a major question about women's cross country came before the executive board of the national coaches association. As the discussion wore on, one of the top coaches in the nation grew tired of it and finally said, "Whatever Peter is for, that's what I want. He knows more about getting ready to race than anybody". The Peter referred to was Wisconsin women's coach Peter Tegen, and the respect and admiration shown is typical. Few if any coaches are given as much credit by their peers for their ability to develop athletes, an ability that shows up in his record: Top 10 finishes in each of his teams' 23 national cross country appearances, including NCAA titles in 1984 and 1986; three Olympians, five world championships participants and 22 NCAA champions in track; and three NCAA cross country champions, including junior Erica Palmer, who was a surprise winner last fall at Indiana. But Tegen hardly seems an obvious candidate to become the guru of women's distance running. Track and field was not his first sport - or his second, or even third. When he did take up track, his focus as an athlete and coach was on sprinting. A native of Germany, he never intended to work in the United States, much less spend a quarter of a century coaching at Wisconsin. Growing up in post-WW II West Germany, Tegen's first sport was gymnastics. An accident when he was 13 led to a tetanus infection that left him partially paralyzed for six months. Tegen says the period reinforced in him the feeling that sport was very precious, and he became very involved in soccer and team handball as a teenager. Eventually he also moved into track and field, where he competed as a sprinter. He got a degree in sport science from the National Institute of Sport, and then spent time coaching gymnastics and track and field in several different countries. Tegen came to Madison after a two-year stint with the Peruvian national track team to pursue a graduate degree in biomechanics. He had no plans to stay in the US, or even to coach while here, but saw that the university was looking for a coach to start a women's track and cross country program and "thought it would be fun." He posted flyers looking for women interested in joining what started as a club team. After a year the program was elevated to varsity status, and Tegen was enjoying the work so much he stayed on. Tegen can truly say he has been the Wisconsin women's track coach for longer than Wisconsin has had a women's track team. On the other hand, he can also say he has been the Wisconsin cross country coach for longer than he has been a distance coach. "I focused more on sprints and jumps (when I started coaching)" Tegen said. "I think I moved more into distance when we had one young lady, Cindy Bremser, who had never been involved at all in the sport, and did very well and eventually went on to run in the Olympics in 1984. Since I had someone willing to work and focus on that area, I began to work a lot on the distance events." With his attention now focused on distance running, Tegen began to apply the technical approach that he has become famous for. "I began to try a lot of different things here, applying a lot of my own ideas from sprinting to this," including many form and conditioning exercises and workouts specifically focused on tactics and certain phases of a race. His athletes gained a reputation for strong finishes, and his teams were consistently among the best at beating expectations at the end of the season. Although many of his tactical workouts are not relevant in cross country, Tegen still tries to approach important races with an eye toward "competing with a purpose" rather than simply running all out from beginning to end. "If you have a “guesstimate” for who she might end up running with, and have a plan for little battles in certain areas, wherever the spots might be, an athlete will probably always compete better. For the ones that sometimes get lost in the pack, it is important to keep that focus on the purpose." On the other hand, Palmer went into the 1999 NCAA meet with specific tactical plans focused on winning the race, despite the fact that she was considered a top 10 candidate at best by most observers. "Erica came into last year with a very specific purpose (after struggling at the 1998 NCAA meet)," Tegen says. "In the second half of the season we could see things were beginning to fall the right way, and from that point the tactical setup and purpose of the whole thing was winning." Palmer's upset victory helps illustrate one of Tegen's most deeply held beliefs. "Keeping an open mind towards success is extremely important," he says. "It is always very important that
Re: t-and-f: chicago marathon (quick addendum)
Oops! I overlooked David Morris' solid 2:12 (ahead of Mack and Cox) in my comments. Still, I don't think it contradicts the larger point I was trying to make, especially since Morris has shown he's capable of much faster. - Jay -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] is brought to you by the Stanford Alumni Association and Critical Path.
t-and-f: Khannouchi, a rare (?) double NR holder
It was noted in USA Today among other places that Khannouchi now holds both the Moroccan and American marathon national records (in fact, even more significant, continental records for Africa and North America). For the marathon, this might be unprecedented, but how often has anyone held more than one national record simulatenously for the same event? Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
t-and-f: Pre-Olympic Article - Jon Brown
Track Listers and RRW Subscribers, I wrote the following article on Jon Brown for the SUNDAY TIMES OF LONDON on 30-Aug just before leaving for Sydney. Brown finished fourth in the Olympic Marathon, missing a medal by only seven seconds. You might enjoy learning about his preparations for that race with Canadian marathoner, Bruce Deacon... David FOR OLYMPIC MARATHON SUCCESS, BROWN GOES TO THE MOUNTAIN By David Monti A recent August morning in the ski resort village of Whistler in British Columbia seemed ordinary enough. Summer tourists, many from Vancouver just 90 kilometers to the south, strolled the neatly kept streets on their way to hike, mountain bike and kyack in the brilliant sunshine and pristine air. No one noticed the man leaning on a rock while standing in the manmade stream which flowed next to the sidewalk. He looked comfortable, even contented, despite the near freezing temperature of the grayish water. "It takes a little getting use to," he said laughing softly, "but it really helps my recovery." It has been the willingness to suffer quietly which has been the key to success for Jon Brown, the 29 year-old Welshman who will be making his second trip to an Olympic Games. Competing in Atlanta in 1996, he finished tenth in the 10,000 meters. Although the Sheffield AC runner holds the British national record for that distance, a world class time of 27:18.14, Brown has abandoned that event for the 2000 Games in Sydney. Instead, he will contest the marathon, an event he has only run three times, and admittedly has not mastered. "I was kind of experimenting with it," said Brown as he ate a crepe covered with chocolate syrup at a local cafe about an hour later. "My chances of getting any type of medal in the 10,000m was pretty remote. If I stuck with the 10-K, I could get down to 27:10, still a long way off from the top Africans. It's the marathon which has more opportunities for Europeans than the track." Not a surrender, but an adaptation for a man who has always adapted. Born in Bridgend in the south of Wales, Brown moved first to Sheffield as a child, and again later to the United States to attend Iowa State University on an athletics scholarship. He stayed there only two and one-half years, moving again back to Sheffield in 1992. "I knew that a U.S. college degree wasn't going to do anything for me," he reflected. "I became mobile." Mobile, and a full-time athlete. He competed in his first World Championships in 1993 but was eliminated in the 5000 meter heats. It was that year that he met his future wife, Martina, a German chemist from Düsseldorf who was doing post-doctoral work at Iowa State. Brown met her on a visit to the states. After the Commonwealth Games in 1994, where he finished fourth in the 5000 meters, he and Martina decided they would move Canada. The couple relocated to British Columbia after the 1996 Olympics, eventually settling in Maple Ridge, just east of Vancouver. A year later they had a son, Dylan. Since moving to Canada, Brown has mostly trained alone, sometimes heading for Boulder, Colorado to join the distance running community there. But to prepare for Sydney, he decided to take a different approach. He formed a partnership with a Canadian Olympic marathoner, Bruce Deacon, whom he had met at the 1999 World Championships. Deacon lived across the water from Vancouver in the provincial capitol of Victoria. The two began to train together last Spring. "We met in Seville last year," said Brown after Deacon joined him at the cafe. "I was thinking of moving to Victoria. I had Bruce's card, and I e-mailed him." Deacon, whose 2:13:35 marathon personal best is some four minutes slower than Brown's, liked the idea, and had a novel approach for getting together. One of his sponsors operated a sea plane company, and Deacon began to fly the 35 minute trip to Vancouver a few times a week. They would meet at the waterfront and train in Stanley Park. "I got a great view on the way," said Deacon, eating a galette topped with two eggs. But as the summer approached, the two men knew they would need intensive daily training sessions together for the high mileage period which marathoners begin two months before the race. Besides, Deacon only had so many free flights available to him. That's when the two agreed on a three week camp in August. Since both were married with young sons, family considerations helped them to pick Whistler. "It was kind of a consensus," said Deacon. "We looked at [going to] the interior, but we knew our wives. Our happiness hinged on their happiness." In this Y2K version of a training camp, the two families rented comfortable condominium apartments in Whistler's main village. The arrangement suited both the Browns and the Deacons. "They love it," said Brown of Martina and Dylan. "At home it's the boring routine. For them it's more of a vacation." Brown and Deacon began to meet each morning on the corner of
Re: t-and-f: Khannouchi, a rare (?) double NR holder
Dimitry Markov, pole vault, Belarus - 6.00m Australia - 5.95m. The Belarussian record is actually the Oceania "continential" all-comers record since it was set in New Zealand. Radion Gataullin, pole vault, held national records for Uzbekistan (5.90m), Soviet Union (indoor record - 6.00m), Russia (6.00m). The Uzbekistan Russian records were held concurrently he still holds the Uzbekistan record while 2 athletes have bettered his Russian record. He competed under the Uzbekistan flag (his birthplace) for a year or two after the USSR collapsed before gaining Russian citizenship around s.devereaux "Post, Marty" wrote: It was noted in USA Today among other places that Khannouchi now holds both the Moroccan and American marathon national records (in fact, even more significant, continental records for Africa and North America). For the marathon, this might be unprecedented, but how often has anyone held more than one national record simulatenously for the same event? Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com -- "I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don't give a damn."
t-and-f: Boston Mayor's Cup XC 10/22
Video footage of the Mayor's Cup XC races is now up at http://TrackMeets.com DR KAMAL JABBOUR - Engineer, Educator, Runner, WriterO o 2-222 Center for Science and Technology /|\/ |\ Syracuse University, Syracuse NY 13244-4100 | | Phone 315-443-3000, Fax 315-443-2583 __/ \ \/ \ http://running.syr.edu/jabbour.html\ \
t-and-f: Fila Discovery USA Camp Athletes
Track Listers, Perhaps Dr. Rosa knows something after all? Three U.S. athletes who accepted positions in Fila's Discovery USA training camp in Mt. Laguna --Josh Cox, Christine Junkermann and Janelle Olsen-- enjoyed breakthrough performances at the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon yesterday. Using a high mileage, high altitude program designed by Rosa, Cox improved his marathon personal best from 2:19:58 (San Diego '99) to 2:13:55; Junkermann made an excellent marathon début finishing 7th in 2:32:45; Olson, who is only 24 years-old, ran 2:42:33 in her début. Junkermann, nee Clifton, has improved dramatically this season. She lowered her half-marathon personal best to 1:13:23 at the Philadelphia Distance Run on 17-Sep in the midst of her highest mileage marathon training. That performance foreshadowed a sub-2:35 marathon, assuming a good taper. She was actually the first U.S. woman at Chicago through 40 km, until Libbie Hickman passed her. Other athletes in the camp, Mike Dudley, Kevin Collins, Steve Swift and Kristen Schwartz, will also be running marathons later this year (details n/a). That is all. David Monti, Editor and Publisher, Race Results Weekly Sponsored by: F I L A R U N N I N G / R U N N E R ' S W O R L D / S A L M I N I F I L M S P.O. Box 8233[EMAIL PROTECTED] FDR Station +1 212-752-2666 New York, NY 10150-8233 +1 212-752-2626 (fax) USA +1 815-461-2285 (secondary fax) http://www.RaceResultsWeekly.com
Re: t-and-f: chicago marathon
On 23 Oct 2000, Jay Ulfelder wrote: Yes, I know Khannouchi is an American, but because the focus here is on the sport's development in the U.S., I'm looking only at "home-grown" runners. Isn't Khannouchi "home grown?" I thought he didn't start running until after he had emigrated to the United States? Am I wrong about this? Anyone know for sure? Regards, Paul *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of Behavioral Science University of Colorado, Boulder Boulder CO 80309-0260 (303) 492-3248 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
- Original Message - From: David Lesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netters: As a university teacher I'd like to point out that the worst thing that an American freshman can do is take off a week or 2 in their first semester. Track and field ahletes in general are pretty serious students, so I expect that they realize this. The European academic system is very different, in that the only examinations are given at the end of the academic year, so students are pretty blase' about any given week at the beginning. Having been a HS college student in the Netherlands (can't speak 100% for other European countries) I would like to say this is untrue. High schools here have a continuous assessment system, whereby tests are spread evenly over the year, with graduation exams in the last year of HS contributing 50% of the total in the final year. The same goes for colleges. When I was a physics freshman, my first exam came after just 8 weeks. Most college courses are block oriented, with a block being 6-12 weeks, with a test of the covered material taking place at the end of a block, and often being a pre-requisite for subsequent blocks. Some studies are semester-oriented, but practically *no* studies rely on a single examination period at the end of any given year. My (limited) impression is that this is also true for schools and colleges in the Benelux, Germany and Scandinavia, and less so for France and the UK (where HS's have an all-important final exam (O-levels, A-levels), and universities have their end-of-term or end-of-year exam). What students here usually do is ask their schools for dispensation for the exams in the periods concerned. If granted, they may take the exams at a later date. In most cases something usually can be worked out, except for HS graduation exams, which are organized on a national basis, not by individual schools. Cheers, Elliott
RE: t-and-f: Paralympians off fast in Sydney
Paul wrote: A real question that should be asked is what will the track world do when technology is such that these athletes are running faster than their physically able counterparts? Can/will the IAAF ban disabled athletes from participation in regular athletics events? Possibly. However, while my breathless enthusiasm may have implied otherwise, we are a very long way from that based on what I saw on TV. The prosthetic leg has no electronics, no feedback or other assistance. It very efficiently stores the energy stored in it by the action of bending it and then releases that energy to drive the athlete forward. It doesn't add power but rather is dependent on the ability of the athlete (and presumably the lack of pressure feedback etc makes it tricky to use at first). Looking at the gait of Marlon Shirley, it's clear that his good leg drives quite normally, but the prosthetic leg transmits its drive via a return to its original shape purely in the 'foot'. Same energy, but transmitted differently. It makes the athlete run a little lop-sided, although you wouldn't know from ahead-on, upper-body shot. Incidentally, while I won't admit in a public forum to admiring Shirley's physique too closely, it's clear he had very powerful glutes (that's butt muscles to you and me). Interested in the views of anyone with greater experience or involvement in this ide of our sport. Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: t-and-f: Paralympians off fast in Sydney
- Original Message - From: Justin Clouder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Possibly. However, while my breathless enthusiasm may have implied otherwise, we are a very long way from that based on what I saw on TV. The prosthetic leg has no electronics, no feedback or other assistance. It very efficiently stores the energy stored in it by the action of bending it and then releases that energy to drive the athlete forward. It doesn't add power but rather is dependent on the ability of the athlete (and presumably the lack of pressure feedback etc makes it tricky to use at first). I had the privilege of training with a handicapped athlete a few years ago, and I must remark that not all disabilities are equal. Sprinting with a prosthesis is relatively "easy" if the knee is still intact and functional. This particular athlete had her leg amputated above the knee, and as a result her running prosthesis emulated the knee action using springs which snapped the prosthesis forward during the knee drive. Her gait had an exaggerated kick, giving the look of someone running with one leg normal and one leg stretched. It was much less efficient than the powerful, almost "normal" stride of the sprinters we saw during the paralympics. (And yes, the BBC coverage was marvellous :-) Cheers, Elliott
t-and-f: Sydney Olympics - most positives since LA
See article IOC Strips Wrestler of Gold Medal http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001023/sp/oly_wrestling_leipold_5.html Tony Craddock
Re: t-and-f: chicago marathon
as far as I remember, Khalid ran for Morocco in the early 90s and was one of their developmental 5k/10k runners. he was roommates with ElG even. He went to the US for University Games and after that (and being dissed by the federation for not being able to run in some elite race, right?) he decided to hit the US road circuit. J [.sig] AXAF Public Outreach: http://xrtpub.harvard.edu Morceli Home Page: http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/tetreaul/morceli.html On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, P.F.Talbot wrote: On 23 Oct 2000, Jay Ulfelder wrote: Yes, I know Khannouchi is an American, but because the focus here is on the sport's development in the U.S., I'm looking only at "home-grown" runners. Isn't Khannouchi "home grown?" I thought he didn't start running until after he had emigrated to the United States? Am I wrong about this? Anyone know for sure? Regards, Paul *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of Behavioral Science University of Colorado, Boulder Boulder CO 80309-0260 (303) 492-3248 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Boston Mayor's Cup XC 10/22 - nitpicking
In a message dated Sun, 22 Oct 2000 6:32:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Boston Mayor's Cup Cross Country October 22, 2000 Franklin Park Boston MA MEN 1, Francis Kirwa, Life University,, 23:26 (collegian - no $) 2, Paul Mwangi ($300) Westchester TC/Ken, 23:28 3, Alexis Sharangabo, Brevard College, 23:54 (collegian - no $) 4, Ricardo Santos ($200), NYAC, 24:09 Santos, an Iona alum, is Canadian. sideshow
t-and-f: Year 2000 Marathon Lists Updated
Track Listers and RRW Subscribers, The year 2000 marathon lists have been updated at http://www.raceresultsweekly.com for the Chicago, München, Reims, Venice, and Washington (Marine Corps) marathons; other marathons contested over the weekend did not affect these lists. . Top 100 World . All U.S. sub-2:25/2:55 . All Canadian sub-2:25/2:55 That is all. David Monti, Editor and Publisher, Race Results Weekly Sponsored by: F I L A R U N N I N G / R U N N E R ' S W O R L D / S A L M I N I F I L M S P.O. Box 8233[EMAIL PROTECTED] FDR Station +1 212-752-2666 New York, NY 10150-8233 +1 212-752-2626 (fax) USA +1 815-461-2285 (secondary fax) http://www.RaceResultsWeekly.com
RE: t-and-f: chicago marathon
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: chicago marathon Yes, it was a good day in general for the Americans, and there were some notable crash-and-burns among the foreigners. Americans ran more conservatively, e.g., only Morris was with two minutes of the leaders as early as 15k, and was a full minute back himself. Mack ran a very nice race also. Perhaps it's now time for someone to take the initiative and be more aggressive early. Bruce Meyer KUKIMBIA Chicago They were two minutes back at the 15km mark because they ALL ran 5-10 minutes behind the winner (2:12-2:18 vs. 2:07:01). Running a high 2:12 or 2:13 (like Mack and Cox did) puts them 6:00 and 7:00 minutes behind the winner. The marathon is 42.2 kilos ... at 15km you are 35.5% done with the race ... 35% of the 6-7 minute ultimate difference is: 2m07s (2:07) for Mack, and 2m29s (2:29) for Cox. Both runners ran BIG PR's. Additionally, Morris ran his second fastest marathon ever. Looks like they paced it just right. Had they taken "the initiative" and been "more aggressive early" they would NOT have done so well, they may not have finished. It always looks easy from here to follow the other guys running a 1:03 half-marathon, like you said there were notable crash-and-burns. Let's celebrate the successes we are given. - J'Brian McEwen
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
Excellent reply! They do not get it. I was there, I understand perfectly. My athlete has no concern for school, all we had to do was train for the meet. He no concern for fall training, or the first 3-4 weeks of his education. He will go home and start school when he gets back. US kids do not have that choice. DGS The G.O.A.T.
Re: t-and-f: Embarassment
Oh how the vultures come to the carcass. Where were you when the kill was alive? The juniors are of very little importance in the US, with very little attention and emphasis put on them. Every year the team is made by choice. Many of the top juniors see the Junior's as a second tier meet. I was there this year, and saw some promising stars of the future, but I saw very little to scare me in to thinking the US will be in trouble in the coming years. Mark Lewis-Francis should have been in Sydney, period! He opted out of Sydney so he could go to Lesser competition, dominate, and "clown" with his friends. How come I have heard no mention of his antics? Were any of teh Brits embarassed by his bravado as he crossed the line in every one of his races? I doubt it. If you take the time to review the past results from juniors, you will find the US has never truly dominated the meet. A relay here and there, and the proverbial star athlete, but that is it. Other countries have always shown well at the Juniors, and this year proved no different. Yes, I would have loved to see a better showing from the US, but I knew what caliber of athlete the US was working with, and the results showed as much. Like it or not it is a different system here, and having this meet in late October spelled doom for the US. DGS The G.O.A.T.
Re: t-and-f: Similarities
Who will go down in history as the better? What a shame Olympic gold eluded them both, the lack of which will keep either from being recognized as the greatest miler of all. Well, it's a little soon to say that a gold medal has eluded, or will elude, El G altogether. He is young enough to go for another Olympiad or two. Instead of following in the foot steps of Jim Ryun, perhaps El G will follow the Olympic path of Dan Jansen, another Olympic hard luck case, and win gold in the end. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Statisticians, Sonia Wang Aficionados
I received a request from a 4th Science (maths) student at N.U.I.G. (National University of Ireland in Galway) that is currently preparing for her final year project. She has selected Sonia O'Sullivan as her project topic - to compare her 2000m world record to Wang Junxia's 3000m world record. Unfortunately, she is finding it difficult to gather information on the split times (at each 400m) of these races. She, and myself would be grateful if you could inform me of these times or guide her in the right direction to find them with books or internet sites. With the lack of interest in athletics in young people today it is certainly refreshing to get such a query and I hope somebody can help me. Please send the information or sources to me and I'll get them to Cathriona. Thanks in advance. Timothy Patrick O'Dowd www.irishrunner.com Keeping Track of Ireland
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
In order of importance and attention to this US residing fan: 1. Olympics/World Champs 2. IAAF Season tie 3. College Season tie 3. US Open Season 5. US High School Season Juniors is so far down this person's radar that if it hadn't been brought up on this list I wouldn't have known it was happening and when it was mentioned my reaction was "in October? after the season is over?". The non existent performance by the US is pretty easy for US residents to understand. Steve S.
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
Sorry, but I'd rank Olympics #2, and NCAA D1 X-C/THE GROTE POLL far above and beyond all else at #1. Grote adiRP - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment In order of importance and attention to this US residing fan: 1. Olympics/World Champs 2. IAAF Season tie 3. College Season tie 3. US Open Season 5. US High School Season Juniors is so far down this person's radar that if it hadn't been brought up on this list I wouldn't have known it was happening and when it was mentioned my reaction was "in October? after the season is over?". The non existent performance by the US is pretty easy for US residents to understand. Steve S.
Mark Lewis-Francis (was: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment)
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Lewis-Francis should have been in Sydney, period! He opted out of Sydney so he could go to Lesser competition, dominate, and "clown" with his friends. How come I have heard no mention of his antics? Were any of teh Brits embarassed by his bravado as he crossed the line in every one of his races? I doubt it. I disagree that Mark Lewis-Francis should have gone to Sydney. The kid is only 17 and prior to this year has had no significant international experience. Winning the juniors will give a big confidence boost. The pressure of Sydney would probably have been too much, and a scenario like crashing out in the semi's would not have done much for his ego either. I think he and his coach made a sensible decision. Cheers, Elliott PS: what antics? I saw him kiss the track after his win in the finals, but nothing else untoward. Did I miss something, or is this just the usual sour grapes that this discussion is getting tainted with?
Re: t-and-f: Embarassment
Darrell wrote: Oh how the vultures come to the carcass. Where were you when the kill was alive? The juniors are of very little importance in the US, with very little attention and emphasis put on them. Every year the team is made by choice. Many of the top juniors see the Junior's as a second tier meet. I was there this year, and saw some promising stars of the future, but I saw very little to scare me in to thinking the US will be in trouble in the coming years. Mark Lewis-Francis should have been in Sydney, period! He opted out of Sydney so he could go to Lesser competition, dominate, and "clown" with his friends. How come I have heard no mention of his antics? Were any of teh Brits embarassed by his bravado as he crossed the line in every one of his races? I doubt it. If you take the time to review the past results from juniors, you will find the US has never truly dominated the meet. A relay here and there, and the proverbial star athlete, but that is it. Other countries have always shown well at the Juniors, and this year proved no different. Yes, I would have loved to see a better showing from the US, but I knew what caliber of athlete the US was working with, and the results showed as much. Like it or not it is a different system here, and having this meet in late October spelled doom for the US. What happened to the young Jamaican Dwight Thomas ?? I believe he ran 10.12 .. He was a high schooler in the US during the spring .. Was he not 19 or under ?? I believe he could have handed Mr. Lewis-Francis his lunch .. Curious as to why he wasn't in anything in the World Juniors .. He ran an awesome relay leg for Jamaica in Sydney Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Olympic memories
I've watched the thread regarding favorite articles on track and field .. Given that the Olympics are just past what about favorite races in the Olympics ?? My 3 favorites: 1. Bert Cameron's semifinal in the 1984 400 .. Cameron pulls a muscle about 150 meters into the race .. Comes to a stop .. Then starts running finishes the race and qualifies for the final in 45.05 .. The essence of competitiveness .. 2. Tommie Smith's come from behind victory at 200 meters in the 1968 games .. A scintillating come from behind that left John Carlos befuddled and a WR to boot .. 3. 100 meter final in the 1988 Seoul Olympics .. Yes I know Ben was dirty .. But the race was a thing of beauty . Picture perfect Ben and Carl, Linford, and Calvin Smith giving a magnificent effort in the chase .. Ben was dirty, but the race was a beaut !!! And the call by Charlie Jones was rivaled only by his Call of the same race in the 1987 Worlds .. Race calls like that were one of the big missing ingredients in Sydney ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark Lewis-Francis (was: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment)
DGS wrote Mark Lewis-Francis should have been in Sydney, period! He opted out of Sydney so he could go to Lesser competition, dominate, and "clown" with his friends. How come I have heard no mention of his antics? Were any of teh Brits embarassed by his bravado as he crossed the line in every one of his races? I doubt it. Oh come on. Imagine you are 17 and you might just make it into the Olympic semis as your best hope. Yet you might beat all your peers in what is a WORLD junior championship. I saw his races in Santiago on TV and maybe it was chauvinism on my part but I didn't see anything untoward, certainly not on the level of James Carter or the US relay team (who were all grown men, in one case exceptionally grown) in Sydney. Although, on second thoughts, DGS may have been right. Perhaps Lewis-Francis should have been in Sydney. Then, maybe, the Brish 4x100 team. would have passed the baton all the way round and the Brits could have "clowned" around instead of the Americans. Randall Northam
t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
In a message dated 10/22/00 6:00:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How many elite junior athletes can take time off from school and train at a level to be competitive on the worldwide stage this time of year? Let's keep things in perspective. I would imagine most of the athletes winning medals are products of specialized, controlled systems where they can rearrange their lives and training around a ridiculous scheduling situation. Meanwhile, enough casting of stones. Look at the facts before you spew your venom. No venom intended. But there were a great many athletes from other nations that were in the same boat. But many (most) of those athletes come out of club systems where they received good training and were properly prepared. I must agree that athletes have to compete when the event is held. For years, when the competition was held in a time frame suitable to our schedule, the Aussies, as well as others, from without our hemisphere had to make the best of it. and they usually performed quite well. To simply our terrible showing by casting all the blame upon school is to beg the issue; the meet was held in October and the athletes and coaches had the responsibility to make the preparations necessary to compete well. That they didn't is totally unjustifiable.
Re: t-and-f: Embarassment
Darrell Do you think that Marion Jones was also wrong to skip the Olympics when she was a teenager? Ed Prytherch -Original Message- ... Mark Lewis-Francis should have been in Sydney, period! He opted out of Sydney so he could go to Lesser competition, dominate, and "clown" with his friends. How come I have heard no mention of his antics? Were any of teh Brits embarassed by his bravado as he crossed the line in every one of his races? I doubt it. ,,, DGS The G.O.A.T.
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
In a message dated 10/22/00 9:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Netters: As a university teacher I'd like to point out that the worst thing that an American freshman can do is take off a week or 2 in their first semester. Track and field ahletes in general are pretty serious students, so I expect that they realize this. The European academic system is very different, in that the only examinations are given at the end of the academic year, so students are pretty blase' about any given week at the beginning. I could buy this line of thinking were it not for the many collegiate athletes who compete in other fall sports and who must miss large amounts of school due to athletic commitments. I also know that many of the kids could have gone to their professors/teachers and gotten assignments they could do while they were away. I recall going to a major competition a few years ago and seeing virtually every member of the UVA squad working on assignments. I think it far better to recognize the problem rather than glossing over it with a rather lame excuse of the kids having to study and not properly prepare themselves for the most important competition in their lives up to this point. And, I repeat, did anyone on the caoching staffs make calls to check on the kids and their preparation? USATF made a major financial commitment to send a large team to Chile. Was it too much to ask the athletes to invest some time in serious training? Was it too much to ask the coaching staff to insure those athletes were doing the things necessary to compete at an international level? Due to the politics involved in staff selections, there is utterly no continuity within the staff. Every international competition usually has a staff totally new to the event and some have no idea as to the quality of the competition our kids will face. I've been to almost all of the World Jr meets, missing only Athens-'86 and Santiago-'00 so I have a pretty good perspective as to this situation. Granted, a coach cannot do very much "coaching" since they only have the kids for a very short time. But they can, and should, do all they can to make sure the team is properly prepared. To do less is to abandon their responsibility.
Re: t-and-f: Name's the same
In a message dated 00-10-22 11:41:01 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Netters: Re the James Carter incident in Sydney, I caught up yesterday with his namesake, who was quite a 400M runner at manhattan 25 years ago and has been coaching at Newark's Weequahic HS for some years now. When I asked him about the present James Carter's actions at Sydney, his reaction was one of disgust and bewilderment at why an athlete would, in the moment of his greatest triumph (albeit in a heat rather than final) act that way. I told him that if he had ever done something like that in either HS (Seton hall prep) or college, his coaches---both from the "old school" (repectively,. Bill Persichetty of the Fordham WR 2MR team and Fred Dwyer) would nevber have let him forget it. I guess the present James Carter never had a coach like that, Ed Grant I don't know if I'm interpreting this wrong, but is James Carter's coach being blamed for his actions? I think that's a little unfair. Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC
RE: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
Geez - US students have it hard.. The Australian team did pretty well in Santiago with many PBs as well as the 7th placing on the medal table. That's despite our domestic track season ending six months ago (with the next season just about to start). Double gold medallist Jana Pittman and many others in the Australian team - like most high school and uni students downunder - are studying for, or sitting, end-of-year exams right now. Slightly more pressure on them - I'd think - than those just attending the first two weeks of a school term... Oh - and Jana needs to achieve mensa-like scores in her exams to be able to study medicine in uni next year.. Regards - GT - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2000 6:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment Excellent reply! They do not get it. I was there, I understand perfectly. My athlete has no concern for school, all we had to do was train for the meet. He no concern for fall training, or the first 3-4 weeks of his education. He will go home and start school when he gets back. US kids do not have that choice. DGS The G.O.A.T.
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
In a message dated 10/23/00 4:34:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In order of importance and attention to this US residing fan: 1. Olympics/World Champs 2. IAAF Season tie 3. College Season tie 3. US Open Season 5. US High School Season Juniors is so far down this person's radar that if it hadn't been brought up on this list I wouldn't have known it was happening and when it was mentioned my reaction was "in October? after the season is over?". The non existent performance by the US is pretty easy for US residents to understand. Steve S. Unfortunately much of the above is true. But it's also one of the reasons the US continues to slip at the international level. Without a strong Junior program, and the US lacks one, there is not too much in the way of a feeder system. Many US colleges recruit vigourously outside the US and these US trained athletes come back to haunt us at Olympic and World championships. They also deny many good kids a scholarship and many then drop out of the sport entirely. In recent years the US has not turned in "non-existent" performances. Quite the opposite. Virtually all the US Olympians ran in the USATF National Junior meet. Unfortunately, there is no real "program" for the Juniors. Only the top two advance to international competitions with the rest going home. As long ago as the 60's, Dick Bank, formerly coach of Mary Decker-Slaney and one of the most track-knowledgeable people in the US, recognized the fact that the US was doomed to gradual slippage at the international level if the governing body didn't vastly expand the Jr program and send several teams abroad each year. This has never been done and the results are evident.
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
In a message dated 10/23/00 7:40:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Geez - US students have it hard.. The Australian team did pretty well in Santiago with many PBs as well as the 7th placing on the medal table. That's despite our domestic track season ending six months ago (with the next season just about to start). Double gold medallist Jana Pittman and many others in the Australian team - like most high school and uni students downunder - are studying for, or sitting, end-of-year exams right now. Slightly more pressure on them - I'd think - than those just attending the first two weeks of a school term... Oh - and Jana needs to achieve mensa-like scores in her exams to be able to study medicine in uni next year.. I agree totally. But remember, whenever Americans do poorly there must be an excuse, it's part of our national psyche. The validity of the excuse is of little or no import. And to blame the athletes/coaches is unthinkable, there's always some outside influence that caused the poor performances.
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
In a message dated 10/23/00 5:24:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, but I'd rank Olympics #2, and NCAA D1 X-C/THE GROTE POLL far above and beyond all else at #1. Grote adiRP Who's Grote?
Re: t-and-f: John Walker memories
In a message dated Mon, 23 Oct 2000 5:52:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bruce Goodchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably my greatest memory of John Walker was the summer of '75, when I was touring around southern England on my bicycle, sitting in a coffee shop in London, opening up the Times of London, and seeing that great picture of Walker crossing the finish line, the first man under 3:49, his blonde hair blowing in the wind (Stockholm, I think). Bruce Goodchild Cambridge/Boston. Walker set the mile record in Göteborg (Gothenburg). sideshow
Re: t-and-f: John Walker memories
Bruce and Hugh, I too gathered incredible motivation from John Walker and other Kiwis distance runners of the late 70s/early 80s (Rod Dixon, Dick Quax, etc.). In HS, a couple of teammates and I used to wear New Zealand shorts, the black ones as well as the flag shorts. We thought they were so cool, especially since they severely clashed with our green and gold uniforms. Numerous people would ask us if we were "Australians, New Zealanders, or something?", our reply would be something like, "No, but I'm John Walker!", much in the same spirit as those Nike "I'm Tiger Woods" commercials that run nowadays. Steve From: Bruce Goodchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: John Walker memories Probably my greatest memory of John Walker was the summer of '75, when I was touring around southern England on my bicycle, sitting in a coffee shop in London, opening up the Times of London, and seeing that great picture of Walker crossing the finish line, the first man under 3:49, his blonde hair blowing in the wind (Stockholm, I think). Bruce Goodchild Cambridge/Boston. Running xc and track in highschool from '75-'79, EVERY day I drew motivation from a photo of John Walker tearing up a huge hill. In the background stretched a loong road already covered...might have been from SI...maybe TFN... I WAS John Walker running the hills of SE CT...especially that one @ the mile mark of our xc course...ask John J. Kelley (my coach) about the Brooks St. hill!! Hugh Walker (no...REALLY!)
Re: t-and-f: chicago marathon
Funny how Ndereba, Khannouchi, Tanui, et all can all race high quality spring marathons then come back and race fast in the fall. I'm as pleased as anyone to see our men and women run well in Chicago. But, let's not make excuses for their times. Let's continue to urge them to run faster and catch up to the world. Tony At 05:09 AM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote: Notice that the two best American men's performances--Eric Mack and Josh Cox--came from a marathon debutante and a young guy still trying to scratch his way into the sport--in other words, the guys with the most to prove, and possibly the freshest legs. (Yes, I know Khannouchi is an American, but because the focus here is on the sport's development in the U.S., I'm looking only at "home-grown" runners.) Tony Banovich Billings, Montana
Re: Mark Lewis-Francis (was: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment)
ANd what sour grapes would I have? My athlete ran 44.66, the second fastest time by a junior ever. I have no sour grapes to mash. And I expect all you saw was him kiss the track. Of course, you missed the looking back, the yelling at the crowd, the "look at me" theatrics that many on this list love to lambaste. My point is simple, it all depends on the person, not the actions. As for his confidence, I think taking 2nd or 3rd at your nationals/Olympic trials would be a definite boost. And if he is worth his weight he will take very little from defeating a field that finished .2 seconds behind him. He was far and away beyond anyone in Chile. It was simply an easy victory, one he could have won falling down at the start. With his talent, and at age 17, he would have benefitted greatly from competing on the main stage. Making the semi finals at the OG's is not an easy task, and one I think he could have easily done. From watching him I am positive he would have made the final. Respectfully, I submit this all as my opinion on the young man's career. He has a promising future, and I think he sold himself short in this case. Plus, he could have done both if that was his desire. Darrell The G.O.A.T.
Re: t-and-f: Olympic memories
1. Kevin Young 46.48! The culmination of ten years of blood, sweat, and tears. The whole race was a thing of beauty, his easy strides, and confident demeanor were fulfilling. And it was something that was never done before. 2. Michael Johnson 19.32 No words will ever describe those 19 seconds. It was the single most amazing thing I have seen a human being do. He simply went past his physical limitations, and wowed the world. 3. Tommie Smith/Bob Beamon 1968 Bob's jump and subsequent reaction are things that dreams are made of. It was not Tommie that makes this race memorable, it was the reaction of John Carlos. DGS The G.O.A.T.
t-and-f: Khannouchi will run 2001 London Marathon
A day after winning the Chicago Marathon, Khalid Khannouchi confirmed he will run in next spring's London Marathon. The Moroccan, granted United States citizenship five months ago, set a United States marathon record in Chicago of 2hr 7min 1sec. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
Re: t-and-f: USA at the World Junior Champs
Okay, now that everyone outside and inside the USA borders has had their turn at "beating a dead horse", I still say that most of you are missing the point. There is nothing on the horizon that will replace the 100 years old US public high school system of athletic competition. Yeah, a strong club system sounds great, and where is the huge financial support that public schools now contribute going to come from? For most American kids high school is THE FOCUS of their universe. That's not going to change. For most American high school athletes track and field is introduced as their "second" sport. A World Championships in October just isn't that important compared to football, volleyball, basketball. If it's in July or August, yeah they'll get excited, provided they can be back time for preseason. Anyone remember the name Tory Mitchell? If any one could have beaten Chris Malcolm in '98 he could of. But getting ready for football was more important. Mitchell of course isn't playing anything now, he back home in Big Spring, Tx (another story entirely). The truly surprising thing to me was the fact USATF sent as "big" a squad as it did. I seem to remember talk in '98 about skipping the meet completely. But then there was the feeling that we needed to support the IAAF (or that there was some penalty for not going, such as housing availability at future championships) I can't say for sure. The bottom line is every country has it's own set of circumstances to deal with. Here's and opportunity for the world to beat it chest and crow that theirs is a better system. Go right ahead; but, you can't decree something is important. I love the Juniors probably more than I do "seniors". I've coached in high school going on 32 years now, it's the best. But the ultimate bottom line is that in the USA junior competitions don't hold the same aura as the Olympics and what happened in Chile has little to do with what will happen in future Olympics for the USA. That is not the case every where. I trust that the Britons are looking with relish at the future of Mark Lewis-Francis and Chris Malcolm. If they were Americans they would probably be playing football (no not soccer) right now and dreaming of Bowl games and the NFL. Different place, different aspirations. My biggest problem with this whole tread is the "oh we're terrible and we're going to get worse" on one side and the "hooray our way is better, you guys just cry sour grapes when things don't going your way" on another side. Maybe some of you have noticed but the world isn't so clear cut. Tolerance isn't a strong point of this list and dissecting a topic is usually accomplished with the deft touch of a sledgehammer. Andy Ferrara Ass't Men's Coach 1998 USATF Junior Team
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
In a message dated 10/23/00 5:24:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, but I'd rank Olympics #2, and NCAA D1 X-C/THE GROTE POLL far above and beyond all else at #1. Grote adiRP [EMAIL PROTECTED] replies: Who's Grote? Hmmm. I think the list supervisor needs to be contacted. This must be a violation. Steve S.
Re: t-and-f: Embarassment
Actually, yes I did disagree with Marion. But remember she was not allowed to go by her mother because of a breach of personal contract. I thought at that time she should have gone to the Games and competed, of for no other reason than the opportunity may not come around again. And it almost did not happen. In Mark's case he has no guarantee that his chance will come again. The British system is not dictated by track performance alone. And it is 4 more years he will have to maintain and improve. What will he do next year about WC's? The competition is stiffer at World's, and there is no Junior WORLD's to attend. DGS The G.O.A.T.
Re: t-and-f: John Walker memories
While I was a huge fan of the long haired, barrel chested miler and his always ballsy racing style, I am forever indebted to him for the shoe named after him...the Brooks John Walker RT1...it totally chewed the hell out of my feet but carried me to a then (1979) breakthrough marathon performance of 2:26 on the tough old San Francisco Marathon course...a huge improvement in which I explained away as being "the shoes" -Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:10 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: John Walker memories In a message dated Mon, 23 Oct 2000 5:52:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bruce Goodchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably my greatest memory of John Walker was the summer of '75, when I was touring around southern England on my bicycle, sitting in a coffee shop in London, opening up the Times of London, and seeing that great picture of Walker crossing the finish line, the first man under 3:49, his blonde hair blowing in the wind (Stockholm, I think). Bruce Goodchild Cambridge/Boston. Walker set the mile record in Göteborg (Gothenburg). sideshow
Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
Without a strong Junior program, and the US lacks one, there is not too much in the way of a feeder system. Many US colleges recruit vigourously outside the US and these US trained athletes come back to haunt us at Olympic and World championships. They also deny many good kids a scholarship and many then drop out of the sport entirely. Amen! Since Craig Masback took office, I have pressed him on the issue of grass roots development. He tends to agree with the above observation, but he has made it clear that improving the lot of the current elite meets is priority number one. The theory is that by improving visibility and exposure at the elite level, it will trickle down to the grass roots. As I have told him, I hope he's right. But I suspect that like any good structure, the most important part is the base and the top will follow from that. Part of the problem is the current USATF structure. There are 57 associations who should theoretically be in charge of grass roots programs of all sorts. But these associations get little in the way of guidance and support and thus are failing miserably at really building the kind of programs that are needed. Politically, within USATF, it would be impossible to get rid of the association concept but it would be equally impossible to divert resources away from anything else to support associations. I am heavily involved with USATF, but it's still not hard to see that nothing appears ready to change. The only group that could really make the difference would be if the elite athletes used their significant block of votes to push for major changes. But they are more concerned with their own immediate needs, and I can't really blame them. So while we can blame USATF as a whole, it's a little hard to figure out who we're really blaming. - Ed Parrot
t-and-f: (no subject)
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Re: t-and-f: Re: Embarassment
In a message dated 10/23/00 7:13:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Every international competition usually has a staff totally new to the event and some have no idea as to the quality of the competition our kids will face. . But they can, and should, do all they can to make sure the team is properly prepared. To do less is to abandon their responsibility. For many, unfortunately, being picked is just a plum reward for years of playing USATF politics correctly. Jim Gerweck Running Times
Re: t-and-f: John Walker memories
How's this for a (true) John Walker story? In about 1973, we hosted a Meet in Victoria, B.C., Canada. This Meet was the wrap-up for a series of Meets across Canada which occurred after the Pacific Conference Games, and included teams from Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the United States. There were about 20 entries for the Men's Mile, and as the Meet Director, I had the task of separating into A B Sections. The cutoff came at 4:06 something, and there were two listed at that level --- an American who I can't recall, and a Kiwi named John Walker. Yes, John was a 4:06 miler at this point, but the N.Z. press kit was calling him as a future Peter Snell. At the Technical Meeting, I asked the Coaches who should go into the A and B sections of the Mile. The American Coach said to put "his boy" into the fast section as he was really ready to go, and the N.Z. coach said that John was improving but that the B section would be fine for him. Well, the A section was won in about 3:58.5 by Crouch of Australia, with Rod Dixon second in (I'm trying to remember here) around 3:59, with the American nowhere in sight. The B section was won by John Walker in about 3:58.8, not only his first sub-four, but a PB of around 6 1/2 seconds. At the Pub after the Meet, Walker was prowling around looking for the guy who had put him in the B section. I said to him then, and have reminded him since, that if he wasn't so pissed at being placed in the B section, he might never have run 4 minutes for the Mile. He laughed and we shared a brew. Shortly after this, John moved into the World Elite in the 1500 and the Mile. True story!! Ron Bowker
t-and-f: M.I.A. ?
Someone might want to start a missing persons report on the illustrious E. Garry Hill of TFN fame. We have not been graced by his presence much, if at all, since Sydney. Three theories come to mind: 1. Rather than put a race walker on the cover as Male AOY, he went walkabout with Crocodile Dundee. 2. He was attacked and mauled by a rapid Koala in the Outback. 3. He is a contestant on Survivor II. MJR
t-and-f: D2 Rankings, Week #7
Week #7 of the NCAA Division II Cross-Country rankings (October 15-21) are now posted at http://d2rankings.homestead.com Hopefully without errors this time! :) --Brian -- Brian Kavanaugh Multi-Option Systems, Inc. 11920 Burt Street, Suite 100 Omaha, NE 68154-1598 (402) 431-8000 / (800) 551-MOSI [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
Re: t-and-f: M.I.A. ?
4. New career in acting. I think he's the guy being thrown through the
doors of the saloon by a woman ("no" auf Australian) in that Foster's ad
that's been running lately.
wb
At 11:48 PM 10/23/00 -0400, Michael J. Roth wrote:
Someone might want to start a missing persons report on the illustrious
E. Garry Hill of TFN fame. We have not been graced by his presence
much, if at all, since Sydney.
Three theories come to mind:
1. Rather than put a race walker on the cover as Male AOY, he went
walkabout with Crocodile Dundee.
2. He was attacked and mauled by a rabid Koala in the Outback.
3. He is a contestant on Survivor II.
MJR
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