Re: t-and-f: speaking of stupid rules....
In a message dated 1/25/01 8:58:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At least we were only stuck with one year (as I recall) with one of the great abominations ever, the 4-turn stagger in the 800 back in the mid-'70s. When the first synthetic track was installed in Downing Stadium on NY's Randalls Island, a well-meaning (but mis-informed) NY City employee lined the track so that you could run the 4x400 in lanes all the way! The lead-off runner in lane 8 would have started halfway down the backstretch(at least). Come to think of it, that might have made for some exciting finishes if the teams were evenly matched. Walt Murphy
t-and-f: On 3/4 turn staggers
Netters: The 800R is still run in lanes all the way at the Penn Relays. This can make the race hard to follow, but it can also lead to something like what happened at the '79 meet. Texas, I believe, had the lead as the final runners touched off. Maryland was not only outside the Texans but also several yeards behind despite the advantage they had at the start. What followed has never been (and will neve be forgotten by anyone who saw it. The Maryaland anchor started off in what appeard to be high gear. But when he hit the middle of the final turn Z(about 50 yards from where he took the baton, he really exploded and produced the loudest woo sound ever heard from the fans in that area. He won the race comfortably. The split, as gary points out, was not easy to get, but some had it as low as 18.5 (probably it was closer to 19.0) Oh yes, the guy who ran that leg was better known for another event. This is an easy trivia question, but just for fun, name him. Ed Grant
t-and-f: another HS record for Webb?
Alan Webb's coach, Scott Raczko, mentioned that he'll be running the 1000 meters this Saturday at Virginia Tech and thinks he can break the HS record. The indoor HSR is 2:23.85 by George Kersh, set in 1987. Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
t-and-f: meet information
Does anyone on the list have any contact information for the Vienna Indoor Meet in Austria, to be held on February 12, 2001? Stephen Francis
Re: t-and-f: On 3/4 turn staggers
Ed Grant wrote: Netters: The 800R is still run in lanes all the way at the Penn Relays. This can make the race hard to follow, but it can also lead to something like what happened at the '79 meet. Texas, I believe, had the lead as the final runners touched off. Maryland was not only outside the Texans but also several yeards behind despite the "advantage" they had at the start. What followed has never been (and will neve be forgotten by anyone who saw it. The Maryaland anchor started off in what appeard to be high gear. But when he hit the middle of the final turn Z(about 50 yards from where he took the baton, he really exploded and produced the loudest "woo" sound ever heard from the fans in that area. He won the race comfortably. The split, as gary points out, was not easy to get, but some had it as low as 18.5 (probably it was closer to 19.0) Oh yes, the guy who ran that leg was better known for another event. This is an easy trivia question, but just for fun, name him. Too easy Ed .. That was Renaldo Nehemiah ... Conway Hill[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: On 3/4 turn staggers
Anchor leg like that? Got to be Skeets. Bruce Meyer KUKIMBIA Chicago
Re: t-and-f: On 3/4 turn staggers
Of course the Maryland star was none other than Reynaldo "Skeets" Nehemiah. In those days, the Terps had their names on the back of their uniforms. This was done in press-on letters and Nehemiah's said "Skeets." This was far from a perfect process. One day the last letter had fallen off and it said "Skeet" on the back of his singlet. When informed about this by a friend, the affable Nehemiah quipped, "Yeah, I ran my 'S' off."
Re: t-and-f: On 3/4 turn staggers
Gotta be Skeets.. Keith Whitman Head Cross Country Coach Assistant Track Field Coach University of Nebraska at Kearney Office (308) 865-8070 Home (308) 338-1115 http://www.unk.edu/athletics/track/ Fax # (308) 865-8187
t-and-f: re: Etiquette vs. Rules
At the Big 10 indoors in '87 or so, Scott Fry ran 14:00 for 5k. Lapped runners were yanked by the officials. Including those on 14:40 pace! Not a large finishers list in that one. Seemed a bit harsh, but also seems wrong to force the fastest to slow down to deal with the slower. As someone said, "robbed" Riley of a sub 4. (Of course that's something any high schooler can do now :) Not sure if they still do that, but hey, the Big 10 conference is, by _far_ the premier conference in the universe, so if they do it, it's the right thing :) Regarding relay splits: The Sac State track has (had?) the best setup I've seen for relay spectating/officiating, and an easy solution at that: different colored track in the relay zones (4x1). Is that too expensive or confusing or something? Seemed like a dandy idea. IU '85, Richard
Re: t-and-f: re: Etiquette vs. Rules
In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 1:45:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, The Barretts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Regarding relay splits: The Sac State track has (had?) the best setup I've seen for relay spectating/officiating, and an easy solution at that: different colored track in the relay zones (4x1). Is that too expensive or confusing or something? Seemed like a dandy idea. That's a filip I first saw when Washington State put in its new track a few years back. Since John Chaplin was hired as a "consultant" on the Sac State installation, suspect that was his idea. I really does make for greater enjoyment in watching relay races (not that we saw any of those at the OT). The easy way to sell it to your AD is to have the track/zones differentiated in your school colors. Works particularly well if the track surrounds the football field and is thus a part of the visual backdrop on TV. gh
t-and-f: Etiquette vs. Rules -- lapped runners
It is more of a hazard for lapped runners to move out of their lane. Otherwise: 1. The runner may or may not hear that he is about to be lapped. 2. the runner lapping him doesn't know if he knows and consequently doesn't know which lane to use. 3. If the ruuner being lapped moves out, he may pick off a third runner coming around both on the outside. When they are lined up at the start, we always instruct the runners that if they are being lapped, they should stay as close to the inside of lane one as possible. That way, there are fewer unpleasant surprises during the race. It is better to have heats or races set up so that there is no lapping, but sometimes is is unavoidable (especially indoors). In terms of history, I remember that during the early 60's in the National AAU Indoor championships, lapped runners were required to drop out until there were only as many left as there were medals. Pat Palmer
t-and-f: Death of a Sportsman
Netters: I was saeened a few minutes ago to head of the death of Al McGuire, who, while best known for his basketball exploits as player, coach and commentator, had a onetime connectionm with our sport, of which more later. I will always remember McGuire for two incidents that occurred during Marquette's upset win over North Carolina at the NCAA chamapionships (1976, I believe). The firest occurred when the issue was very much in doubnt., The star of North Carolina (can't recall the name, but it wasn't you know who---he came along a few years later)--drove in for a shot and went tumbling into the stands. Marquette got the ball and was hurrying it down the coyurt for an apparent five on four possession when McGuire signalled from the bench to slow the play down. The NorthCarolina ace extricated himself from the fans, hurried back up the court and play continued, five on five. The second was at the game's end. With seconds to go and vbictory assured this tough (and he was tough) guy from Brooklyn broke down in tears, burying his head in his hands. later he said that all he could think of was all those CYO games, all those tiny gyms back in Brooklyn. This was a man who n=[knew where he came from and loved every minute of it. A lighter story or two from his broadcasting days. Once, he was going a game at Georgetown (against Missouri, I think). For some reason, this Sunday TV special was being played at the Hoyas' Mc Donogh gym rather than the larger arena (pre-Landover) where it would normally have been scheduled. McGuire commented This is like playing Georgetown in a confessional box. Again during the early days of the 1980 presidential campaign, he was doing a game, perhaps back at marquette, and there was a sign in the stands McGuire for Presiodent. His rejoinder was (remember this was when Jimmy Carter was President with a brother who got a lot of ink) I've got abrother who would make Billy Carter look lile a monk. Finally, the track connection. It was not well known that in his HS days, Al had been a successfull cross-country runner. He took advanatage of that to earn big bucks for a Milwaukee charity. There was a road race and McGuire got a lot of well-hipped Milwaukee business men to put up money for each second (or minute) he could run the course under a certain time. He evidently had kept in good shape, but be beat the time with plenty to spare. A real sportsman and he will be missed. Ed Grant PS: Of course, everyone who answered my earlier trvia question---ad I am flattered at the number of responses---was absolutely correct. It could have been no one but Skeets.
Re: t-and-f: re: Etiquette vs. Rules
As I remember the Big Ten indoor rule (forgive me, I don't have a book in front of me), it states that lapped runners must leave the track until the race is down to a certain number of competitors. My interpretation is that interference with the leaders is not the reason for the rule. It is simply a way to ensure that accurate lap counting is possible for the final competitors on 200m tracks where lapping is frequent and can be confusing. It also makes for a much better show for a meet of this caliber. However, it does provide some interesting moments when lapped runners begin to race the leaders to prevent disqualification from the race. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "The Barretts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: t-and-f: re: Etiquette vs. Rules At the Big 10 indoors in '87 or so, Scott Fry ran 14:00 for 5k. Lapped runners were yanked by the officials. Including those on 14:40 pace! Not a large finishers list in that one. Seemed a bit harsh, but also seems wrong to force the fastest to slow down to deal with the slower. As someone said, "robbed" Riley of a sub 4. (Of course that's something any high schooler can do now :) Not sure if they still do that, but hey, the Big 10 conference is, by _far_ the premier conference in the universe, so if they do it, it's the right thing :) Regarding relay splits: The Sac State track has (had?) the best setup I've seen for relay spectating/officiating, and an easy solution at that: different colored track in the relay zones (4x1). Is that too expensive or confusing or something? Seemed like a dandy idea. IU '85, Richard
Re: t-and-f: re: Etiquette vs. Rules
It is even more interesting when the lapped athletes refuse to step off the track and you get officials trying to physically remove them. Great entertainment. Kevin Sullivan In a message dated 1/26/01 2:31:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I remember the Big Ten indoor rule (forgive me, I don't have a book in front of me), it states that lapped runners must leave the track until the race is down to a certain number of competitors. My interpretation is that interference with the leaders is not the reason for the rule. It is simply a way to ensure that accurate lap counting is possible for the final competitors on 200m tracks where lapping is frequent and can be confusing. It also makes for a much better show for a meet of this caliber. However, it does provide some interesting moments when lapped runners begin to race the leaders to prevent disqualification from the race. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Etiquette vs. Rules -- lapped runners
In terms of history, I remember that during the early 60's in the National AAU Indoor championships, lapped runners were required to drop out until there were only as many left as there were medals. Pat Palmer Early in my running career (early 70's) I was on pace for sub-9 indoors for the 2 mile with less 200 to go and got lapped and was forced to drop out at the The Senior Bowl Meet. I would have been 8th. I was not pleased but those were the rules. bd -- Benji Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE:t-and-f: speaking of stupid rules....
a private poster said: I think you meant the "2-turn stagger", [yeah i did, not 4-turn] which was ugly enough...and ruined much of the joy of watching the 1976 Montreal 800. Another private poster said: Actually, 4x400 run basically a one turn stagger indoors they break after about 150 or 2 turns on a 200 track. why not run the damn 400 off a waterfall? Both of them are onto a key element of the sport that I think the rulesmakers have lost sight of over the years: racing head-to-head beats running apart anyday. The reductio ad absurdum of elminating bumping and pushing, of course, is to run a series of time trials. A succession of people running alone against the clock. I'd love to see the 400 run from a waterfall. Seriously. What's more exciting; a 4x4 leg with everybody in the same lane (basically), or people staggered across the track? Actually, my nomination (sorry for boring those who might remember my annual posting on this line) for fixing the 400 is to replace it with the 500. Runners start at the 100 start line in waterfall fashion, break for the post at the start of the curve. Not only a kick-ass race (literally and figuratively), but also one that comes with a wonderful built-in "magic number." Breaking a minute would become the standard by which long sprinters were measured. gh
Re: t-and-f: Etiquette vs. Rules -- lapped runners
So, number one runner is the class of the field and is way ahead. His placing is a foregone conclusion. Number two is half a lap back, and three and four are staging a hot duel just short of a lap back. Number one passes three and four and the one of those two who momentarily happens to be fourth is eliminated. He is possibly robbed of a medal, and the spectators are robbed of a good race. Dave Carey On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In terms of history, I remember that during the early 60's in the National AAU Indoor championships, lapped runners were required to drop out until there were only as many left as there were medals.
Re: t-and-f: Death of a Sportsman
Sad day indeed. Let me second Mr. Grant's words and add a few of my own. The year that Marquette won the NCAA Basketball Championship was 1977, at the Omni in Atlanta. No, I'm not looking this up, its in my messed up little head. This is my very first sports memory of any kind, I was a few weeks short of being 3 years old. My father is a Marquette alum, former player and diehard Warriors fan (now Golden Eagles?). Anyway, upon the sound of the final buzzer, my Dad was jumping in cheering so much that he head his head on the ceiling and KO'd himself for a few minutes. The star at UNC that year was Phil Ford, point guard and longtime Dean Smith assistant coach. Walter Davis was there, as well. The tourney M.O.P. (Most Outstanding Player) was Marquette's Butch Lee, who got off to a good start as a rookie with the Cleveland Cavaliers, but later suffered a knee injury that today would probably be manageable, but in 1978 left a player never the same. Believe that the semi-finalists that year were UNLV and UNC-Charlotte, a cinderella led by Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell. That was Marquette's last trip to the Final Four, and Al McGuire's last game. He was the best color man on the tube, in my opinion. I met him after a game in 1983, they lost to DePaul, I got his autograph and a photo with their star at the time, Doc Rivers, believe Rick Majerus was the coach then. Grote adiRP/MMRD - Original Message - From: Ed Grant To: track net Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: t-and-f: Death of a Sportsman Netters: I was saeened a few minutes ago to head of the death of Al McGuire, who, while best known for his basketball exploits as player, coach and commentator, had a onetime connectionm with our sport, of which more later. I will always remember McGuire for two incidents that occurred during Marquette's upset win over North Carolina at the NCAA chamapionships (1976, I believe). The firest occurred when the issue was very much in doubnt., The star of North Carolina (can't recall the name, but it wasn't you know who---he came along a few years later)--drove in for a shot and went tumbling into the stands. Marquette got the ball and was hurrying it down the coyurt for an apparent five on four possession when McGuire signalled from the bench to slow the play down. The NorthCarolina ace extricated himself from the fans, hurried back up the court and play continued, five on five. The second was at the game's end. With seconds to go and vbictory assured this tough (and he was tough) guy from Brooklyn broke down in tears, burying his head in his hands. later he said that all he could think of was "all those CYO games, all those tiny gyms back in Brooklyn." This was a man who n=[knew where he came from and loved every minute of it. A lighter story or two from his broadcasting days. Once, he was going a game at Georgetown (against Missouri, I think). For some reason, this Sunday TV special was being played at the Hoyas' Mc Donogh gym rather than the larger arena (pre-Landover) where it would normally have been scheduled. McGuire commented "This is like playing Georgetown in a confessional box." Again during the early days of the 1980 presidential campaign, he was doing a game, perhaps back at marquette, and there was a sign in the stands "McGuire for Presiodent." His rejoinder was (remember this was when Jimmy Carter was President with a brother who got a lot of ink) "I've got abrother who would make Billy Carter look lile a monk." Finally, the track connection. It was not well known that in his HS days, Al had been a successfull cross-country runner. He took advanatage of that to earn big bucks for a Milwaukee charity. There was a road race and McGuire got a lot of well-hipped Milwaukee business men to put up money for each second (or minute) he could run the course under a certain time. He evidently had kept in good shape, but be beat the time with plenty to spare. A real sportsman and he will be missed. Ed Grant PS: Of course, everyone who answered my earlier trvia question---ad I am flattered at the number of responses---was absolutely correct. It could have been no one but Skeets.
Re: t-and-f: re: Etiquette vs. Rules
Christopher Goss wrote: As I remember the Big Ten indoor rule (forgive me, I don't have a book in front of me), it states that lapped runners must leave the track until the race is down to a certain number of competitors. My interpretation is that interference with the leaders is not the reason for the rule. It is simply a way to ensure that accurate lap counting is possible for the final competitors on 200m tracks where lapping is frequent and can be confusing. It also makes for a much better show for a meet of this caliber. However, it does provide some interesting moments when lapped runners begin to race the leaders to prevent disqualification from the race. In the early nineties, the New England Division III men's meet had a rule like this for the 10,000m - I don't know if they still do. They also had NO qualifying standard, ostensibly due to a relative lack of competition opportunities in New England because of the weather. I personally felt they should have had some sort of 5000m time to be met in order to get into the 10K. So you'd get 50 or 60 people starting the race - mostly people too slow to qualify in another event. You got pulled from the track if you were lapped in the first 20 laps. However, if you were in the top 12 at the time, you did not get pulled from the track. And this is a meet where 12th place was usually much slower than 33:00. The result was that a bunch of 34:00-36:00 10K guys started out at 4:50-5:00 pace with the leaders and tried to hang on. It certainly made for good show, but the 5th to 10th pace runners nearly always ran their first 5K a good minute faster than their second 5K - not the best way to run a 10K. It always seemed to me like they should have made some sort of qualifying standard and avoided the poorly run races that resulted from 40 guys trying to PR for their 2 miles at their split in a 10K! - Ed Parrot
t-and-f: Sad news
Received word today that former NCAA 100M champion Sam Jefferson of the University of Houston passed away.
RE:t-and-f: speaking of stupid rules....
Garry suggested: Actually, my nomination (sorry for boring those who might remember my annual posting on this line) for fixing the 400 is to replace it with the 500. Great idea! Then we can also replace the 800 with the 1000, and the 1500 will finally make some sense! Although thinking about it - the 2000 might make even more ;-) Phil
Re: RE:t-and-f: speaking of stupid rules....
Phil wrote: Garry suggested: Actually, my nomination (sorry for boring those who might remember my annual posting on this line) for fixing the 400 is to replace it with the 500. Great idea! Then we can also replace the 800 with the 1000, and the 1500 will finally make some sense! Although thinking about it - the 2000 might make even more ;-) So what do we do for sprints ?? Not sure the 250 sounds too inviting ?!?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Speaking of Stupid Rules II
last weekend I re-watched the coverage from this past Olympics .. And I noticed that while the John Capel non call for a false start was the most glaring, there were several problems (as noted by the announcers) with recalls/non recalls during the course of the competition .. Why the reliance on the "beep" when there are still a starter and recall starter on the track ?? Why not get rid of the "beep" altogether since it just seems to get in the way of the starters doing their jobs ?? And while I remember the 1 false start rule for college being instituted somewhere around the late 70's as a result of "too many false starts slowing down track meets" .. Does it make sense since on the world scene it does not apply ?? And unfortunately the high schools later followed suit with the colleges :o( .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Speaking of Stupid Rules II
The false start detection system was created and used to produce a reaction time number to compare against the "legal limit" regardless of whether the starter uses it or not. It is a reference. The question is, should the reaction times even be disclosed unless there is a false start? The advent of our new technology has resulted in people claiming there was a false start by the numbers, rather than just going off what the starter decides. Did that make sense? Doug Lynch www.Lynxphotos.com - Original Message - From: "Conway" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "TFMail List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: t-and-f: Speaking of Stupid Rules II last weekend I re-watched the coverage from this past Olympics .. And I noticed that while the John Capel non call for a false start was the most glaring, there were several problems (as noted by the announcers) with recalls/non recalls during the course of the competition .. Why the reliance on the "beep" when there are still a starter and recall starter on the track ?? Why not get rid of the "beep" altogether since it just seems to get in the way of the starters doing their jobs ?? And while I remember the 1 false start rule for college being instituted somewhere around the late 70's as a result of "too many false starts slowing down track meets" .. Does it make sense since on the world scene it does not apply ?? And unfortunately the high schools later followed suit with the colleges :o( .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: HS Milers
Dave Merrick went to Penn . . . is still the collegiate record holder at Van Cortlandt 5mi in 23:51. In addition he ran 28:49 in the 10k I believe, also a Penn record. --Josh Seeherman Penn TF ~ Joshua Seeherman School of Engineering and Applied Science University of Pennsylvania [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
Fw: t-and-f: Devil Take the Hindmost
I don't know about the world record, but this event used to be almost a staple on theUS indoor circuit in the 60's and 70's. Got many milers in meets who otherwise wouldn't have been invited to run. Floyd Highfill -Original Message- From: T. Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 26, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: t-and-f: Devil Take the Hindmost In terms of history, I remember that during the early 60's in the National AAU Indoor championships, lapped runners were required to drop out until there were only as many left as there were medals. The recent postings about lapped runners have reminded me of one of my favorite indoor events, the Devil Take the Hindmost Mile. Runner in last has to drop out after each lap, making for an exciting sprint at the end of each lap. I think Mark Schilling held the "world record" at one time, something like 4:06...anybody out there remember? (I'd ask the Aggies, but their brain cells went YEARS ago). TJ
t-and-f: Death of a sportsman
I share Ed's sadness at the passing of the legendary coach and announcer, Al McGuire. One of my favorite Al McGuire stories, slightly related to running, was when he told viewers how his PE instructor used to distinguish between future basketball players and future football players. According to McGuire, the teacher would take the lads out into a forest and have them run. The ones who ran INTO the trees would play football, the ones who ran around the trees he would choose for basketball. Another McGuire story, from his coaching days: after criticizing a poor-shooting player, saying "he couldn't throw the ball into Lake Michigan," the player called a press conference the next day, drove some reporters down to the Lake, where he proceeded to throw a ball in from the pier. -Brian McGuire Netters: I was saeened a few minutes ago to head of the death of Al McGuire, who, while best known for his basketball exploits as player, coach and commentator, had a onetime connectionm with our sport, of which more later. I will always remember McGuire for two incidents that occurred during Marquette's upset win over North Carolina at the NCAA chamapionships (1976, I believe). The firest occurred when the issue was very much in doubnt., The star of North Carolina (can't recall the name, but it wasn't you know who---he came along a few years later)--drove in for a shot and went tumbling into the stands. Marquette got the ball and was hurrying it down the coyurt for an apparent five on four possession when McGuire signalled from the bench to slow the play down. The NorthCarolina ace extricated himself from the fans, hurried back up the court and play continued, five on five. The second was at the game's end. With seconds to go and vbictory assured this tough (and he was tough) guy from Brooklyn broke down in tears, burying his head in his hands. later he said that all he could think of was "all those CYO games, all those tiny gyms back in Brooklyn." This was a man who n=[knew where he came from and loved every minute of it. A lighter story or two from his broadcasting days. Once, he was going a game at Georgetown (against Missouri, I think). For some reason, this Sunday TV special was being played at the Hoyas' Mc Donogh gym rather than the larger arena (pre-Landover) where it would normally have been scheduled. McGuire commented "This is like playing Georgetown in a confessional box." Again during the early days of the 1980 presidential campaign, he was doing a game, perhaps back at marquette, and there was a sign in the stands "McGuire for Presiodent." His rejoinder was (remember this was when Jimmy Carter was President with a brother who got a lot of ink) "I've got abrother who would make Billy Carter look lile a monk." Finally, the track connection. It was not well known that in his HS days, Al had been a successfull cross-country runner. He took advanatage of that to earn big bucks for a Milwaukee charity. There was a road race and McGuire got a lot of well-hipped Milwaukee business men to put up money for each second (or minute) he could run the course under a certain time. He evidently had kept in good shape, but be beat the time with plenty to spare. A real sportsman and he will be missed. Ed Grant PS: Of course, everyone who answered my earlier trvia question---ad I am flattered at the number of responses---was absolutely correct. It could have been no one but Skeets. Brian McGuire
t-and-f: Va Tech Day 1 highlights
Big race for Stephen Haas. 3200 1. -Stephen Haas, North Mecklenburg, Huntersville, NC 9:06.97 (8:35.3 3k) 2. *Matt Keally, Ocean Lakes, Virginia Beach, VA 9:22.41 3. -Chris Elder, Cardinal Gibbons, Raleigh, NC 9:25.47 2 other big marks: Women's PV 1. -Lacy Janson, Cardinal Mooney, Sarasota, FL 12-4 Women's SP 1.*Lindsey Neuberger, Frank Cox, Virginia Beach, VA 46-9.5 other leading performers including the leaders in the 55m trials: -Ara Towns, Bethel, Hampton, VA 7.15 -Jerome Mathis, Petersburg, VA 6.39 Also, Robinson, Fairfax, VA won the women's 4x800 in 9:32.28 === more on Saturday with Alan Webb running the 1000m, followed by the 500m 3 1/2 hours later
