Re: t-and-f: lane assigments for WC 800m women's final
I don't have a rulebook handy, but my guess is that the rule awarding preferred lane assignments to the fastest/highest placing qualifiers applies only to races run entirely in lanes (and possibly the 4 x 400). The kinds of factors that motivate the rule (radius of turn, desirability of placing the top competitors in adjacent lanes) may have some relevance in an 800, but probably not much. John Babington Charles Wandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sunday, August 07, 2005 at 3:48 PM -0500 wrote: can some explain the lane seedings from semis to final. seems odd that Hazwl Clark being a heat winner gets lane 8 Charles F. Wandler office phone: (360) 650-2831 WWU, MS9150, Chemistry Dept. office fax: (360) 650-2826 516 High Streetpager: (360) 758-6157 Bellingham, WA 98225-9150 Organic Chemistry Laboratory Coordinator email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Mistreatment of Fans at Olympic Trials
Hey Rob, I was happy just to see the ol' list getting some use. It will be interesting to see if they stand or sit in Athens. JL Rob Veer wrote: lady's... lady's... this used to be a TF-list... and i used to find useful information here is this all the USA tf has to offer, nowadays? (hopefully not) Rob Veer The Netherlands - Original Message - From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Mistreatment of Fans at Olympic Trials I knew that -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:38 PM To: malmo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Mistreatment of Fans at Olympic Trials Typical ugly American, attempting to impose your ill-will on others and spoil the party. Life is not a dress rehearsal, Walt, be in it! Malmo, Once again you have misread someone else's words .
Re: t-and-f: Mistreatment of Fans at Olympic Trials
Ray and all, Your experience was not universal. We had 14 tickets at the start of the 1500, 10 rows up. I had my 76 year old mother in a wheelchair, her husband with a heart transplant, my 20 mo. old granddaughter at nap time,my wife with Lupus, and the rest of the crew. Everyone at the meet was understanding. Two meet volunteers watched the wheelchair, they let me stand at the rail to take pictures during the races,and when we couldn't help ourselves and stood up nobody said a word. I think that the heat may have affected the mood of everyone, including the security. I can understand that your experience did not make the Trials as enjoyable as it could have been, and you have the right to complain. Take care, JL Raymond Cook wrote: Please let me clarify. My original post has nothing to do with common courtesy at track meets like standing at inappropriate times. The issue is that people who wanted to stand and cheer during an exciting race or whenever they wanted to show appreciation to an athlete were told by security to sit or be ejected. This is not a policy at ANY sporting event I've attended other than the US Olympic Trials and it is completely ridiculous. -Ray -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marko Velikonja Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 1:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Mistreatment of Fans at Olympic Trials I'll make the same point I did when this debate raged after the 2000 Trials (note that I didn't attend either one): Down in Front is not a term unique to track and field spectators. I don't attend many baseball, basketball or football games, so I can't say for sure, but I'm sure spectators there would be annoyed by people who stand the entire game. I do recall a Women's World Cup match in 1999 where an obnoxious young man was standing in the front row, and it didn't go over very well with the spectators behind him. This seems like a matter of simple courtesy; if you're sitting toward the front, you should realize you're blocking the view of those behind you and refrain from standing unless you see the people behind you doing so. If you know you want to stand and cheer the whole time, get a seat in the back row. Granted, at most track meets this really isn't such a problem. Perhaps its unfortunate this debate turns up only every four years. Marko Velikonja __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
t-and-f: Olympic Tickets/ 12 Day Tour Package Available
Reservations for 3 available details on package here: http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/to...hen_detail.html Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
t-and-f: Track and Field News Tour tickets
Everyone, With regrets, I have three Track and Field News Tour tickets for sale. I am willing to let them go for less than what we paid for them. Please contact me by e mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, John Lunn
RE: t-and-f: Kingdom making plans for Sacramento
Malmo, I couldn't agree more! Sure, the organizers should have waived the fee, but they didn't. Enter the meet, compete, and qualify. If $30 is going to make the difference here, I'd suggest paying the money and fighting the battle later. Didn't someone once sayDon't cut your nose off.. You know the rest. Schiefer --- malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kingdom expressed disappointment at some reaction he said he has received within the track community regarding his decision to sit out a qualifying meet because of $30. He passed on participating in a June 26 meet in Ponoma, N.J. -- and a chance at gaining the 13:55 mark he would need to automatically qualify for the trials -- when event organizers refused to waive the $30 entry fee. Kingdom felt his status in the sport should have prompted an exception, but organizers explained that other Olympians paid the fee. You would not ask Michael Jordan to pay $65 to watch the Chicago Bulls play basketball, Kingdom said. Why do the gold medalists of this sport get dragged through the mud by some people just because we ask someone to waive the appearance fee. Kingdom said he has heard and read criticism of his decision, most of it on the Internet. He said that what stung the most came from those accusing him of seeking ways to avoid competing at the trials. Anybody who insults me, insults my character, that upsets me, he said. I don't have to explain to anybody how much I want to compete after what I've accomplished. Why does this gold medalists feel that he's owed something? You're not. You're cheap Mr Kingdom. Pay the damn money and shut the fuck up! malmo You're not. You're cheap Mr Kingdom. Pay the damn money and shut the fuck up! malmo __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
t-and-f: Olympic Trial tickets
After some inquiries, I need to clarify that I have 14 tickets for each of the sessions. Thanks, John Lunn ---BeginMessage--- I have 14 tickets for sale for the first 4 days of Trials. They are in section 108 (on top of the start of the 1500m) Rows 9 10. Great shot of the finish line. Will sell at face value, $20.00/seat/session. John Lunn ---End Message---
t-and-f: Olympic Trial tickets
I have 14 tickets for sale for the first 4 days of Trials. They are in section 108 (on top of the start of the 1500m) Rows 9 10. Great shot of the finish line. Will sell at face value, $20.00/seat/session. John Lunn
t-and-f: Webb's Performance
At the risk that this post will be just one of many about Webb's performance, here goes. At the conclusion of the Prefontaine Mile today, after watching Webb run alone the entire last lap, I was literally left speechless. That was, arguably, the most impressive American mile/1500m performance in history, period! How refreshing is it to see someone who has the balls to take a race, and make something out of it, and not fall into the crowd of folks passing 1200m in 2:56-58 like the hundred-odd 1,500m/mile races we've all watched over the past 20 years? My hat's off to Webb, more for the way he ran 3:50, than the actual fact that he ran 3:50. Webb's performance today proved that truly believing in your ability is as important, if not more so, than your physical capabilities. Great job Alan, I wish more people (including myself) had the balls to lay it down like you did today! Have fun in Athens! Schiefer __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: t-and-f: Bannister ruining the sport
Very nice! malmo wrote: Randy, the problem with your desires to have the runners acquiece to your vicarious desires is that those head-to-head match races are exactly what runners LOVE Have you ever been in a pack with 150 to go, everyone digging hard, and you reach for that extra gear and find it, and blow by the field like you are walking on air? I have. Believe me, once you've felt THAT thrill, you want to experience it again and again! Every 1500 meter runner has had that thrill, and no matter how badly you want time trials, they will not comply. Accept it, and learn to enjoy the terror that is racing. malmo From: Randy Treadway [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I hate most is some of the best athletes in the world going head to head at pedestrian race and then seeing who has the most blazing speed in the last 10% of the race. I HATE THAT!!! It reminds of those velodrome bicyclers that see how slow they can go without the bike falling over, so they can just watch other- like playing 'chicken' or 'russian roulette'.
t-and-f: trackupdate-Was tnfmedia.com
Guys and Gals. After some technical glitches, we're back up with trackupdate. I'm easing back into things, but please let me know what your initial thoughts are. I'm also looking for contributors, but only the strong willed. I hope all is well with everyone. Schiefer PS. Davis, hope to see you in Walnut!@ http://www.trackupdate.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Mulvaney wins mile
Chris Mulvaney won the men's mile at NCAAs. It was slow with a blanket finish. Schiefer __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com
t-and-f: tnfmedia returns
Hello all, Well, I'm pleased to announce that tnfmedia.com is returning to the web. As one of the very first websites for running results, news and the inventor of tnf track smack talk, we're back. The site won't be called tnfmedia.com as someone has bought that name (not sure why, we made it up) In either case, I'm excited to be back on the scene and am looking for some eager young people to help with correspondence, etc. If you remember, we were the leader 3 years ago. I'm not sure where this will go, but in the tradition of rungroteschief.com, tnfmedia.com, gac.edu, consiglio, smokin' joe falcon, and the infamous Arkansas stories, we're back, and here to entertain as well as provide results and commentary. Let's get it rolling, and I appreciate any and all comments. Thanks, Schiefer www.trackupdate.com (message board is better this time) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Sunday tickets to worlds
Listers We are fortunate to have 2 tickets to the World Indoor Meet( reportedly sold out for a year) and will not be able to attend the Sunday session. Contact me off list if you are interested in purchasing both tickets to Sunday only at list price. John Lunn
t-and-f: Simplot
Thanks to the Simplot Corporation for sponsoring this fantastic track meet. I've been to thousands of track meets and have never been to a better meet than the one put on by Simplot. I would encourage every high school athlete to compete there, every track fan to enjoy, and every meet director to take notes. John Lunn
Re: t-and-f: WPV--High School Record?
Costa set an indoor high school girls record of 13-4.5, beating Samantha Shepard's 2002 record by one quarter inch. The outdoor record is 13-8 by Shayla Ballentine at the California state meet in 2001. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com - Original Message - From: Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: t-and-f: WPV--High School Record? Thanks to Ken Stone for bringing to my attention the very impressive vaulting of 17-year-old Kira Costa, Fresno/San Joaquin, in winning the high school division of the women's vault at the Los Angeles Invitation on 15 February. Kira's 4.08m (13'4 1/2) places her 59th, and 15th-ranked American, on Mirko Jalava's 337-deep world indoor list for 2003. Ken's note says that newspaper reports had her mark at 13'6 and wonders whether that is a high school record. I don't keep a file of high school vaulting, but perhaps another subscriber can let us know. Cheers!!
Re: t-and-f: See 2nd was See 8th place
Wasn't the Kalispell (Flathead HS) runner's name spelled Kurt Michels? But you are from Montana, Tony, so you should know better than I. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com - Original Message - From: Tony Banovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: See 2nd was See 8th place Does anyone know if the Kurt Michaelis in 9th (youngstown state) is originally from Kalispell Montana? Tony Banovich Billings, Montana - Original Message - From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:12 AM Subject: t-and-f: See 2nd was See 8th place Some interesting dynamics would have gone on in that dorm room. Regards, Martin Event 23 Men 1 Mile Run Meyo === NCAA Auto: # 4:00.40 NCAA Prov: ! 4:04.90 NameYear School Finals Points === Finals 1 Watson, Luke Notre Dame 3:57.83# 2 Brannen, Nathan Michigan 3:57.96# 3 Cheboiywo, Boaz Eastern Michigan 3:58.07# 4 Willis, Nick Michigan 3:58.15# 5 Connor, Ian Nike TC3:58.24# 6 Thompson, Gavin Eastern Michigan 4:00.41! 7 Desilets, Jordan Eastern Michigan 4:01.37! 8 Morrison, Eric Notre Dame 4:01.90! 9 Michaelis, Kurt Youngstown State 4:02.71! 10 Somok, Kevin Notre Dame 4:03.82! 11 L'Heureux, Alex Michigan 4:04.40! -- Siemers, Art Brc-Adidas SCR Post, Marty wrote: Gator Invitational, Gainesville, 09 Feb Event 24 Men 800 Meter Run NameYear School Finals 1 3403 Peterson, Derrick ADI1:49.59 2 3406 Etoot, Peter Alabama1:50.74 3 3920 Sappleton, Aldwyn Oklahoma 1:50.92 4 3751 Mahoney, Brendon Georgia Tech 1:51.02 5 3548 Joseph, Moise Florida1:51.05 6 3402 Alemu, Berhanu ADI1:51.45 7 3811 Fisher, JefferyLsu1:52.43 8 3905 Webb, Alan NIKE 1:52.48
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview
I think a strong case can be made that by allowing this thing to fester could increase fan interest and therefore Nike's bottom line. But the purists wouldn't care and I can respect that position. It's the highest ground to get onto. And it's pretty lonely up there I imagine. Regards, Martin I'm not a purist. Just a fan and a realist to boot. I'm looking at the whole situation from a public perception and business perspective based on past experience in PR and crisis communications. Personally, I don't see how further tainting MJ's image is good for her, the sport nor Nike's bottom line. From what I've read on this board in the past, MJ's market value (for getting endorsements) has been hurt by her past associations. If that is truly the case then how could this current situation help her, especially the way it was handled from the get go? However, with all that said, I still would be very interested in hearing the strong case for allowing it to fester. I've also been throwing around this question lately. What do you think the reaction would have been if she had been proactive and went public from the start? She could have positioned her association with CF very differently then the way it eventually played out in the press. I'm sure she still would have taken heat, but we'll never know if the end results would have been the same. John __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview
You're right. Up until now MJ has been a media darling. She's articulate, attractive and possesses teflon-like abilities, coming out of the CJ Hunter fiasco in 2000 virtually unscathed. It will be interesting to see how she fares this time around. Judging from all the negative press so far, I'm not sure she'll continue to be a media darling nor receive the benefit of the doubt any longer. If that's the case, why is she currently referred to in all the articles as the media darling and the one that got Nike's full backing (thus making people like Greene jealous)? Why is the IAAF so worried about their star acquiring a tainted image if that has already happened in the past? It doesn't add up. Dan = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: MARION SPEAKS Some interview
Can anyone say Nike and labor practices? And I guess they are the moral authority in this little fiasco. Please. They have taken a few steps but it took them over 20 years to even start that. And now all is forgiven since they are now such model worldwide corporate citizens. But everybody deserves a chance to reform don't they? Even Nike. No one is saying Nike is the moral authority in this case. Nike is a business. And although they are still not a model corporate citizen, that's not really the issue here. Nike has made a substantial investment in MJ to sell product, and if her image is damaged then it impacts Nike's business. Plain and simple, money talks. Nike as MJ's sponsor has every right to take their money elsewhere just as MJ has every right to work with whomever she wants. In this case, MJ decided Nike's money was more important. Right or wrong, that's business. John __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
t-and-f: GUARDIAN UK ARTICLE: Jones to leave Francis for Nike's sake
I'm surprised no one sent this around earlier. Got it from Letsrun.com. If this actually comes to pass then the only thing that matters in this whole messy situation is money. The moral is when Nike talks (and not USATF, IAAF, etc), Marion listens. Jones to leave Francis for Nike's sake Duncan Mackay Wednesday February 5, 2003 The Guardian http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/story/0,10082,888941,00.html Marion Jones is to announce this week that she is no longer working with Ben Johnson's former coach Charlie Francis after coming under severe pressure to cut her ties with him from her biggest sponsor, Nike. Publicly Nike has said that it is a matter for Jones who coaches her, but privately the company has warned her that, if she does not end her association with Francis, plans for a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign centred on her in the lead-up to the 2004 Olympics will be ruined. Things have been laid on the line to Marion, said a senior source at Nike. If she doesn't get out now then it's going to be too late for her and us. Nike pays Jones a basic $800,000 (£485,000) a year to endorse its products and has plans to use her in television adverts and feature her on billboards across the world during the run-up to the games. It is also the biggest sponsor of USA Track Field, the sport's governing body in the United States. Nike is worried that by working with Francis, who admitted under oath in 1989 encouraging Johnson and other athletes he coached to use steroids throughout their careers, Jones's reputation will be tarnished beyond repair. Jones, winner of a record five Olympic medals in Sydney three years ago, has been so chastened by the coverage that her association with Francis has brought her since it became public in December that she is refusing to be seen with him. Francis's statement at the weekend that he has renounced the use of drugs has failed to take the heat out of the controversy. When Jones's boyfriend Tim Montgomery, the world record holder for 100 metres, completed a session under Francis's supervision in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Monday she was nowhere to be seen. Francis flew home to Toronto afterwards and it is believed that Jones has no further plans to see him. The writing was on the wall for Jones when Michael Johnson, who continues to act as a spokesman for Nike despite having retired two years ago, publicly criticised her and urged Europe's promoters not to invite her and Montgomery to their meetings. These promoters have lived through and suffered from the black eye that Francis inflicted on athletics with his role in the Ben Johnson scandal, which the sport has still not recovered from 15 years later, said the former sprinter. Fatal damage may already have been done to Jones's reputation. If she was an athlete I managed I'd never have advised her to go to Francis, said Mark Block, the husband, coach and agent of her biggest rival, Zhanna Block, the Ukrainian who beat her to the world 100 metres title in Edmonton two years ago. I think Jones' moving there will not have aided her credibility at all. It will not help market her. There will always be a question mark: is she or isn't she? Montgomery's plans are unclear. He too is sponsored by Nike but he does not enjoy as high a profile as Jones, so there is less compulsion to toe the company line. He is being blamed for introducing Jones to Francis and may continue to want to be coached by him. Jones has not improved her personal bests for five years and it is believed she was impressed by the technical knowledge that Francis possesses. He called her natural potential pretty much limitless if she made some corrections in her technique. Francis claimed that she was capable of challenging the world 100 metres record of 10.49sec set by Florence Griffith Joyner in 1988. He said: Anything is believable by her. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Pole Vault Summit marks
I was told today that the NCAA will not accept marks unless it is a complete track meet ( at least 12 events, I think) and in the past they have granted the summit a waiver but voted not to this year. Most coaches didn't know about this until it was too late. The PV summit is one of the best things we have going in track right now and the NCAA will put a big dent in it if they don't accept the marks in the future. I'm sure alot of head coaches are upset about spending the money to go and the marks not being counted. It will be a shame if the marks are not allowed in the future because I'm sure many colleges will no longer send their athletes. - Original Message - From: Tom Borish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:16 PM Subject: t-and-f: Pole Vault Summit marks I've noticed that none of the marks made at the Pole Vault Summit in Reno two weeks ago have yet to make the NCAA performance list. Unless I'm missing something, is there some kind of waiting period on these marks or do they not count for some reason? Thanks... Tom Borish www.trackshark.com _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: t-and-f: Euro meet directors threaten to go nuclear
Track and Field has not hit the pages of the Denver newspapers since forever. Yesterday Tim and Marion made a big splash in the Rocky Mountain News.Those who think that bad news is better than no news should be happy. JL malmo wrote: Problem is Garry-Two-Rs, is that you are not the editor of Welfare Corporate Fraud News and don't profess to be the Bible of our educationall system and the environment. ANYONE who thinks that drugs in our sport is not destroying it is either 1) an idiot, 2) dishonest or 3) complicit (or any combination of). malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:57 PM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: Euro meet directors threaten to go nuclear It may be my fondest love, but in the big scope of things, it's just a bunch of skimply-clad people running around in circles. I'll get around to HATING what drugs have done to ALL sports after I've cleansed the world of welfare fraud, corporate fraud, the dumbing down of our educational system and the rape pillage of our air and water. (short list) gh
t-and-f: Switzer
Does anyone know if there is video footage of Katherine Switzer trying to be yanked from the Boston Marathon course in 1967? I have a still photo but would like a brief video clip. Any help wopuld be appreciated. John Liccardo _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: t-and-f: MIAs
Tiffany Abney is still a senior in high school, with indoor marks of 6.9h 55D, 25.48 200m, and 56.10 400m on the DyeStat Elite national rankings. Don't know about Glenn DiGiorgio; he never announced a college choice. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com - Original Message - From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: t-and-f: MIAs anybody have a clue as to where two big-name East Coast athletes have landed now that their HS careers are over? Glenn DiGiorgio and Tiffany Abney. Neither are on the recruiting forms we've received back from all the nation's major schools. gh
Re: t-and-f: That starting rule
Curt Flood is not a good example. His suit was regarding free agency in baseball not the rules of playing the game. A better example might be Casey Martin, golf carts and the PGA Tour. Since Curt Flood. Since when did the details of rules governing how play a sport become a legitimate subject for the courts? Kurt Bray __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Dropped Men's Programs???
Didn't Blinn have a majority of foreign athletes on its track teams? Perhaps better quality of student athlete meant local kids? Jason ___ From what I remember that was one of the reasons for dropping track and adding softball was so more kids whose parents paid taxes that supported Blinn could have a chance to be in sports. I thought they actually added two girls sports.
t-and-f: NCAA XC on TV?
Is this race ever going to be shown on TV?!! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was a war in the streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my running outfit was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color blindness. I dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the sweatshirt was orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self defense. In the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a pickup truck that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as the traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver only looked to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver swerved toward me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving me a scar that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver would have a difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at least felt safer. Have a happy new year. JL Martin J. Dixon wrote: Have almost got in some fights because of the verbal and even physical abuse of the smokers who gather out in front of the 3 high schools in polite Brantford, Ontario, Canada that I run by periodically. How I react will usually depend on how hard I am working. It definitely isn't a regional thing. Right now, I'm in Ellicottville NY about an hour south of Buffalo and some of the locals are inbred rednecks and they have actually chased me with their vehicles. Regards, Martin ghill wrote: Is Dan's experience a regional thing, or just another sign of modern society's breakdown in civility?
Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)
Mike, Help me here. A runner should find a route farther away from auto trafficand further away from country roads where the senior set wants to make you dead right? And you have preferred to run at night with dark clothes on so that you can be an invisible moving target? I take it that this plan has worked well for you. JL Mike Prizy wrote: But why be dead right? If special clothing has to be worn with the intent of being seen by drivers, then maybe a route farther away from auto traffic needs to be found. I think bright clothing gives some runners a false sense of security. Having grown up in the South Suburbs of Chicago, I've had numerous run ins with cars and pedestrians. While in college, I was surprised at the number of run ins I had on country roads - not just with aggressive car loads of teenagers - but from the grandmas and grandpas who wouldn't yell or throw anything at us, but seemed set on making me/us dead right. For the last 20 years, most of my runs have been in the evening and in the dark, particularly in the winter months. People ask me if I ware reflective tape or material on my running gear. I tell them no, because I don't want to be a visible moving target. Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: Back in the day, back before running was reinvented in Boulder, there was a war in the streets as you tried to log your miles. One winter I was asked why my running outfit was so ugly. The colors of this outfit could not be blamed on my color blindness. I dyed my long johns a deep pink, my shorts were a green-yellow, the sweatshirt was orange, and my stocking cap was red. I dressed like this as a form of self defense. In the previous weeks, I was hit in the shoulder by the large mirrors of a pickup truck that came up behind me when I ran a short stretch in the same direction as the traffic. I found myself sprawled on the hood of a car because the driver only looked to the left as she made a right hand turn.On a Sunday morning, a driver swerved toward me and my hand hit the door handle, slashing the top of my hand and giving me a scar that I sport to this day. I vowed that if I was hit again, the driver would have a difficult time explaining that he didn't see me. I was ugly, but I at least felt safer. Smart move. I have a neon yellow jacket that has been jokingly referred to as Exhibit A (in case it is needed in court to prove that the driver who hit me could indeed see me). - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: Deena doubts move by MJ
Ok...I'm in...I've been biting my tounge all week on this... Why should any coach feel snubbed? If Marion and Tim are trying to compete at levels never previously achieved, that has NOTHING to do with snubbing a coach that lives in the US. This is not about patriotism (btw, I'm a US citizen). It's about 2 of the best athletes on the planet making a proactive choice about their training (regardless of if we agree or not). Quite honestly, I find it humorous that so much handwringing is occuring over the Jones/Montgomery coaching change. The point is this: If Marion and/or Tim lost confidence in their coaching situation and training (regardless of Trevor's success with them), then they would have lost a crucial mental edge that is vital, if not mandatory, when performing at the highest level of our sport. The moment that confidence was lost, it was a done deal. Yes, the choice will make people ask questions, but I doubt that two athletes with as much at stake as Marion and Tim would've made a hasty decision. They are well aware of what they are doing. I also think it is unfair to prematurely taint Marion's and Tim's integrity (without cause and/or evidence) as athletes because of their choice of coach. That is just so knee-jerk and easy. Merry Christmas. JJ Hunter (no relation to CJ) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin J. Dixon) CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Deena doubts move by MJ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:26:50 -0500 Good comments from Martin, eh? One question I'd like to see someone address is: What do American track coaches think about two Americans having to go to Canada for needed expertise? Not that Canada doesn't have coaching talent, but it IS a little far from North Carolina. Wish someone would talk to Tellez, John Smith, etc. (or Randy Huntington for the jumps). Any coaches on the List feel USA is being snubbed? Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virusxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf
Re: t-and-f: Question
According to our story on home schooled runners at http://www.dyestat.com/3us/2xc/footlocker/homeschool.htm Josh McDougal has three younger brothers, Jordan, Andrew, and Peter, all of whom run in JO competition. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com - Original Message - From: Ed Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: t-and-f: Question Netters: Does anyone know if the McDougal siblings who ran at the National JO meet arerelated to Joshua McDougal, the hgome-schooled lad who just missed making the Footlocker finals this year. He is listed from peru, NY; they are listed from Troy (without a state name, but there is, of course, a Troy in NY) Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn
I'll put my money on a miss quote from the reporter. malmo wrote: Shorter may have gotten Frenn mixed up with those other French hammer-throwers from Kent State. It could happen. Cosmic unconsciousness. Shrimp plate $1.99. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lee Nichols Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn The wording is vague, so I wonder if the mistake was Shorter's or the reporter's? The part about Frenn being dead might be understandable, as athletes get forgotten after their glory years, but the part about him being a Frenchman would be a strange mistake for Shorter to make, because Frenn was not exactly obscure -- he was nationally ranked from 1963 to 1977, including No. 1 three consecutive years (1969-71) Lee From Page A2 of today's New York Times: Editors' Note A front-page article on Monday described the use of steroids by men and women seeking larger, more chiseled bodies. The article traced the spread of the drugs from the world of weight lifting and bodybuilding to the general society. In discussing the history of steroid use in athletic competition, the article cited a comment by Frank Shorter, a former Olympic marathon champion, who said that before a meet in France in 1969 he saw the hammer thrower George Frenn inject a steroid into his leg. Mr. Shorter is now chairman of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which performs drug tests for Olympic-related sports. The article said Mr. Frenn was a Frenchman, and Mr. Shorter said he died at an early age. On Monday, a freelance track journalist alerted The Times that Mr. Frenn was alive and was a native of the United States. Telephoned at home in Sacramento, Mr. Frenn said, Frank Shorter never ever saw me inject myself. He declined to answer further questions. In an interview later that day, he added, How dare Frank Shorter say something like that. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://austinchronicle.com
Re: t-and-f: Shorter clarification
John, With all due respect, why do you chose to believe that Frank really said this and it was not a mistake. Just because a reporter gets the quote in the paper it doesn't make it true. If the reporter wanted to retract the statement, it would appear on page 38. It really is just another story-maybe it's true, maybe not. Heck, I remember reading a story about the Ivy League going to DII. John John Sun wrote: But I am disappointed that as a lawyer in charge of an organization as important as WADA that he'd attack a guy he didn't really remember and didn't have ironclad facts about. That's the credibility issue that concerns me. Exactly. It's a bit disturbing that the head of USADA, which has so many protections in place to ensure US athletes are afforded privacy and due process in their doping cases, would openly accuse a fellow athlete of doping with no solid evidence. Then again it doesn't surprise me given USADA's spotty record. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn
Garry, Who has more credibility, Frank or the reporter? Why would you assume that what you read is actually what Frank said? Except for TFN reports, I have my doubt about anything that I read in the press. John ghill wrote: No need to crosscheck: Frank's credibiity takes another hit because he can't even get the year right. U.S. had duals with Germany (Stuttgart) and Britain (London) in '69. The U.S.-France dual was in '70. Both Frenn and Shorter were in all 3 meets (plus the previously mentioned '72 Olympics). And he remembers him as a Frenchman? gh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:38:59 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn I'm sure one of you statisticians is right now checking out what meets occured in France in 1969, with Frank Shorter entered, and then cross-checking the hammer throw entrants in the same meet. Do any of those entrants have names that remotely sound like George something- maybe Georges ? I suspect that Shorter accurately remembers seeing it happen, but has confused the identity of the person he saw. And unfortunately the name he threw out is somebody who is still living and adamantly denies it- perhaps George Frenn was not even entered in ANY meets in France in 1969. RT
Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention
The mascot is the exclusive property of USATF and will be a part of efforts to brand USATF and the sport of track field. Maybe USATF figures no one watched the US basketball team's dismal performance at the World Basketball Championships and purchased the exclusive rights on the cheap. Very embarrassing that they are trying to brand the sport with a basketball retread... --- Christopher Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should call him Bounce, since that is what his name was before he was recycled from the World Basketball Championships that were in Indianapolis this summer: http://www.2002worldbasketball.com/community/bounce.htm I guess we should be thankful that we didn't get one of the other picks from the mascot orphanage: http://www.2002worldbasketball.com/community/Event%20Photos/BOUNCE!%20for%20 website/Mascot%20Family.jpg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Who actually kind of enjoyed Edmonton's Fielder Tracker (http://www.digipacsoftware.com/soc/images/worlds/tflg1.jpg), and especially GH's call of the cartoon where Tracker collides with the finish pole.] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Shorter clarification
But I am disappointed that as a lawyer in charge of an organization as important as WADA that he'd attack a guy he didn't really remember and didn't have ironclad facts about. That's the credibility issue that concerns me. Exactly. It's a bit disturbing that the head of USADA, which has so many protections in place to ensure US athletes are afforded privacy and due process in their doping cases, would openly accuse a fellow athlete of doping with no solid evidence. Then again it doesn't surprise me given USADA's spotty record. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: South FL Fr/SO Girls?
Albright just started running last summer and onlyj had one cross country race prior to Foot Locker, so it is understandable that meet officials didn't think the seeded race was appropriate. They didn't know what she could do and, possibly, she and her coach didn't know either. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com - Original Message - From: tom Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: t-and-f: South FL Fr/SO Girls? Walt, Does anyone have insight as to why the winner of the Fr/So girls race (Katie Albright (9) Wake Forest, NC17:51.87) in Charlotte did not enter the seeded race? Tom
Re: t-and-f: gill story URL?
The interview was by Ricky Quintana on RunFlorida.com. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com - Original Message - From: Geoff Thurner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: t-and-f: gill story URL? i remember seeing something on the list a few weeks ago about a feature story on florida state distance runner vicky gill - does anybody remember the exact url for it (or at least the web site)? i initially tried searching for it on the archive for the tf list, but after eight years on the list i've never quite mastered the commands or process - could anybody walk me through the process with a short email or call (541/346-2250), i'll return the favor with an oregon track t-shirt thanks! g
Re: t-and-f: long jump with a flip
I can tell you who. Dave Neilson,head track coach at Idaho State and Stacey Dragilla's coach, made the front cover of several track magazines with his somersault jump. I don't remember his longest jump, but I know that there could be a big difference between his longest and shortest jump of the session depending on how he came out of his tuck. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone who knows far more about track than I do wrote: I seem to recall that long jump with a flip looked like a mechanical improvement before it was banned. That must have been a truly revolutionary technique. Who was doing it, and when, and how far? Jim Reardon
Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)
I'll bet on the Russian ballet dancers to win the high jump. John Jones, Carleton wrote: I've often wanted to be rich. Not just for the ease of life and such, but also so I could sponsor some cool ideas I've wondered about. One of these would be a track meet with much simpler rules than we have now. The idea of track, it seems to me, is to see who can huck that iron ball farther, who can jump farther or higher, and of course who can run faster for various distances. So let's have a meet where you can huck that 16lb chunk of iron any way you want. Two hands, running start, round-off and CHUCK! Same with the other events - jump any way you want, bring back the two-handed spinning javelin. I mean, if the question really is, Who can jump higher? then why not take off from two feet? Going even farther, why only six attempts? Open the pit for a couple of hours and measure jumps. The guy/gal who went the farthest wins - simple. After all, I'm rich, it's my meet, I can give the prize money any way I want! Of course the mile stays the same :-) Cheers, Buck P.s. Can you imagine the conversation if the originators of the event didn't use a small concrete ring and one hand and a 'putting' technique? WR holder: Dang! I threw that shot 150 feet! (or 45m for you Canucks and Continentals). Other guy: Well sure, but I 'put' the shot 75 feet using only one hand AND I didn't step outside of this little concrete circle. Hah! What do you think about that! WR holder: Uh... great. Why'd you do it like that? -Original Message- From: Post, Marty [mailto:Marty.Post;Rodale.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:31 AM To: 't-and-fdarkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: t-and-f: banned high jump technique I don't have any citations for this, but I seem to recall anecdotal reports that gymnastic experts using a series of flips and a two-footed takeoff (illegal per IAAF rules) have been able to achieve extraordinary heights near or better than eight feet.
Re: t-and-f: Track rules (was: banned high jump technique)
Buck, I heard Frank Potts tell the story of going to an international meet and a Japanese pole vaulter walked up to the pit (probably saw dust), placed his pole in the box, shimmied up the pole, and dropped over the bar, winning the event. They passed a rule- one hand must be fixed in place. Can a vaulter do this in your meet? John Jones, Carleton wrote: I've often wanted to be rich. Not just for the ease of life and such, but also so I could sponsor some cool ideas I've wondered about. One of these would be a track meet with much simpler rules than we have now. The idea of track, it seems to me, is to see who can huck that iron ball farther, who can jump farther or higher, and of course who can run faster for various distances. So let's have a meet where you can huck that 16lb chunk of iron any way you want. Two hands, running start, round-off and CHUCK! Same with the other events - jump any way you want, bring back the two-handed spinning javelin. I mean, if the question really is, Who can jump higher? then why not take off from two feet? Going even farther, why only six attempts? Open the pit for a couple of hours and measure jumps. The guy/gal who went the farthest wins - simple. After all, I'm rich, it's my meet, I can give the prize money any way I want! Of course the mile stays the same :-) Cheers, Buck P.s. Can you imagine the conversation if the originators of the event didn't use a small concrete ring and one hand and a 'putting' technique? WR holder: Dang! I threw that shot 150 feet! (or 45m for you Canucks and Continentals). Other guy: Well sure, but I 'put' the shot 75 feet using only one hand AND I didn't step outside of this little concrete circle. Hah! What do you think about that! WR holder: Uh... great. Why'd you do it like that? -Original Message- From: Post, Marty [mailto:Marty.Post;Rodale.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:31 AM To: 't-and-fdarkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) Subject: t-and-f: banned high jump technique I don't have any citations for this, but I seem to recall anecdotal reports that gymnastic experts using a series of flips and a two-footed takeoff (illegal per IAAF rules) have been able to achieve extraordinary heights near or better than eight feet.
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Re: t-and-f: That's my $125 Once A Runner on eBay!!!
What is the difference? Keith Whitman wrote: OK, I'm sorry folks, but enough of the madness. It's just a book and I can't believe that anybody would pay that much for this book (eventhough I have no doubt that somebody did). Want to read a book that can truly change your life? Try the bible. It's only a sport, it aint real life! Keith Whitman Head Coach Cross Country/Track Field Muskingum College http://www.muskingum.edu (740) 826-8018-Office (330) 677-4631-Home (740) 826-8300-Fax Galations 2:20
t-and-f: Psychic wins lottery
Seemed better than test.
Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)
Keep up the good work guys, I know that the list is working. JL Robert Hersh wrote: Dan, Wayne -- Are you guys trying to get this dialogue to publishable length? Or are you just working on a cure for insomnia? :-)
Re: t-and-f: Webb's Marathon Debut (was Viren article and journalism)
It seems to me that this is another instance of questioning what you read in the press. I doubt that Shorter ever made such a statement. John Lunn Martin J. Dixon wrote: I'd say it was a very foolishly written and/or edited article-note the thread that I was perpetuating. Someone on letsrun thought it would have been a good Onion article which is true. The real question is whether or not Shorter actually believed that Webb was going to run one. Sounds like one of those morning radio show phone call jokes. Regards, Martin Wayne T. Armbrust wrote: I thought Martin was kidding until I read the article. This is the dumbest idea I have heard of in a long time. The volume of long contact time training necessary to run a fast marathon will end any chance he may have as a world class middle distance runner. Unless there is some reason to believe that he has more aptitude as a marathoner than as a middle distance runner this is a very foolish decision, in my opinion. Martin J. Dixon wrote: Here I go again being persnickety and nauseating: Webb is scheduled to make his marathon debut next month in Chicago. Shorter suspects that Webb has made a good decision. http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/4084391.htm -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000)
Re: t-and-f: Thank you note
Too late! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your tounger daughter? I could make some deliciously naughty joke outta that, but I'll leave it to people's imaginations and not get myself in trouble... sideshow
Re: t-and-f: GOOD track field movies/books?
If I am not mistaken, the movie that you remember is about a University of New Mexico miler by the name of Baker. John Mike Prizy wrote: Wasn't there another made-for-TV movie about a college-aged distance runner stricken with cancer who eventually died? I thought it was fact-based. I could be way off on the circa, but I thought it came out around The Jericho Mile. Martin J. Dixon wrote: Jericho Mile-1979. Strauss starred-Mann directed-pre Heat, Thief, Manhunter(the first Hannibal Lector movie) and of course Miami Vice. Great movie. The strains of Sympathy to the Devil can easily get you out the door. Book-Once A Runner-the 400 repeats work-out is a classic. The Olympian is better written but not as good if you are a runner. Regards, Martin FJ LEE wrote: Thanks for all the help I got in remembering the name of the novel/movie The Games. I noticed that most responders agreed that it was pretty bad, both in written and film form, which got me curious -- can anyone think of any truly good track field movies or books? wasn't there a movie about a convict who runs a sub 4-minute mile time- trial in jail, and then throws his spikes over the fence (i.e. the freedom side) as the final scene? I think it was the late 70's-early 80's? How can we forget Golden Girl with Susan Anton... the first person to triple in the sprints.. 100-200-400? Marion, are you out there? JL
Re: t-and-f: GOOD track field movies/books?
John Baker was a member of the Duke City Dashers. Actually, many runners were a member of that team back in Alb. Chip Smith, Glenn Morgan, Simon Guitierrez, Schiefer, etc. Schiefer __ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute
t-and-f: Old TF News needed
I need a copy of the November 1977 Track Field News can anybody help me? Thanks, John
t-and-f: NCAA Preview
2002 Men's NCAA XC Preview by John Molvar Teams Colorado is the defending champion and they expected to have their top 4 back, all who have significantly improved in the last year. In addition they have some outstanding freshmen coming in. Does this make them a lock to repeat this year? Not by a long shot. They only won by 1 point last year and their chief rivals have their entire teams back, are much improved and they will add some more outstanding runners to their teams. This all makes for one of the most highly anticipated NCAA team battles in years. Colorado is led by front runners Jorge Torres (2nd last year) and Dathan Ritzenhein (4) . However, they were dealt a devastating blow when Ritz was diagnosed with a stress fracture in his leg and will be lost for the season. Twin Ed Torres (15) and Steve Slattery (28) battled injuries all last fall and can be expected to finish higher this year. Colorado lost their fifth man, but returns Jarred Scott. They also have a prize recruit in Brett Schoolmester who ran 8:52 for 2 miles. They also have walk-on true freshman Casey Burchill who was running well within the top 5 of the team in early workouts. If he continues like that he may immediately step into the all important 5th man position. They also recruited Payton Batliner and Billy Nelson. Without Ritz and without a proven 5th man, it is unlikely that they can repeat as champions. Stanford's team of all sophomores lost by only 1 point last year. The team is led by Louis Luchini (12), Don Sage (7) and Grant Robison (21), Ian Dobson (20) and Seth Hjeny (43). This year, these juniors, many of whom that have improved significantly, will be complimented by several other top runners who were either injured or red shirted last year including Adam Tenforde who has run under 29 minutes in the 10,000 and Jessie Thomas who steepled 8:35 Outdoors. Behind them they have at least 5 more returning upper classmen who could step up this year to the top 7. They also had a phenomenal recruiting year with a full team of 9 prize recruits. They bring in 6 who ran between 8:55 and 9:05 in the 2 mile in high school, plus another that ran 9:10 and another who ran 4:13 for the mile and another that was a state XC champion. This gives the Cardinal awesome depth that can't be matched by any other squad. Last year's team was also the deepest with the highest placing fifth man (43). Even with several injuries, they still could possibly win. With Colorado losing Ritz, Stanford is now the favorite. Arkansas returns at least their top 7 from last year and has several others ready to make a run at the top 7. The team is a mixture of Americans and an eclectic mix of foreigners from many different countries. They are led by American Danny Lincoln (19), Allistar Cragg (3),Jason Sandfort (32) and Silverus Kimeli (13). With the depth and talent and tradition of big meet performances, many experts may consider them the favorites to win this year. They will need a strong 5th man to emerge from the likes of Wes Alkin, Chris Mulvaney, Fernando Cabada or Said Ahmed to take the title. Wisconsin hopes to have all their top runners running in the championship race this year. Coach Jerry Schumacher has been very successful since he took over as coach a few years ago. Two years ago he recruited 3 sub 9 minute 2 milers in the same year. This year, for the first time all three, Matt Tegankamp (8), Josh Spiker (9) and Tim Keller (82 in '00) will be running together. They also return Isaiah Festa (98) who is capable of finishing much higher and sub 14 minute 5000 man Adam Wallace (30 in '00)and Nick Winkel a 29 flat 1 man whom return from a redshirt season. They also bring in another sub 9 minute high school 2 miler, Bobby Lockhart, who was second in last year's footlocker meet. So good is the talent that if they all improve and all come up big at the same time on race day, they could pull a major upset. Already that looks doubtful though with Spiker battling injury and Keller not near top form. The best of the rest appears to be Northern Arizona. Coach Ron Mann has steadily built up one of the best programs in the country and he is doing it with mostly Americans from the Southwest. This year he scored a recruiting coup by bringing in 3 Footlocker Finalists. While they can't contend for the title, they are definitely a top 5 threat. 1 Stanford 61 2 Arkansas 113 3 Wisconsin121 4 Colorado 148 5 Northern Arizona 220 6 Villanova248 7 Georgetown 297 8 NC State 9 Butler 10 Providence 11 Oregon 12 BYU 13 Michigan State 14 Portland 15 William Mary 16 Colorado State 17 Eastern Michigan 18 Texas 19 Indiana 20 Dartmouth 21 Arizona State 22 SMU Individuals Defending Champion Boaz Chemboywo returns for Eastern Michigan. The Kenyan senior won big last year and confirmed his dominance with an easy win
Re: t-and-f: Viren article and journalism
Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: Clearly publishers/owners (because the buck must stop with tme) have decided that accuracy can be sacrificed. I guess that when I sign up for the Rocky Mountain News for one year for $3.12 and an extra year for $.01that I also have made the decision that accuracy can be sacrificed. With the present day news media, TF News excluded, anything I read or hear is just another interesting story, maybe true maybe not. John Lunn
t-and-f: Unofficial Rock Roll 1/2 marathon results
Women: 1 Adriana Fernandez MEX 1:10:20 2 Tatyana Khmeleva RUSSIA1:11:23 3 Nuta OlaruROMANIA 1:11:54 MEN 1 Paul Tergat KENYA 1:01:58 2 James KoskeiKENYA1:02:08 3 Ben Kumatai Kosgei KENYA 1:11:54 Don't miss your chance to see yourself on television after the race! The 2002 Rock 'n' Roll Half Marathon will be televised on the following stations and dates. Check your local listings for exact time. Fox Sports Net Saturday, September 7th - 1:00 p.m.
t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
Moroccan Federation announcement: World steeplechase record holder tests positive http://sportserver.com/track_field/story/515426p-4092862c.html
Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive
I know I am opening a can of worms and subject to a list clobbering, but before a public announcement is made, the guy should be able to first explain his side of the story after/if the B sample comes back positive. It's a little-known subsection in the list charter that that rule only applies when it's somebody from your own country. When it's one of them dirty furriners you get to trash them from the git-go. :-) gh Exactly. If Boulami was American then this would all be a moot point for now. Only USADA and USATF would know he tested positive on his A sample. The positive result would be made public only afer the B sample came up positive and he went through the lengthy arbitration process. Unfortunately for Boulami he lives in a country where he is not afforded those rights. John __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street)
While I agree that most research on diet and exercise increasing longevity is questionable at best, I have seen one interesting fact about longevity pop up in several good pieces of research. That fact is that the factor which correlates highest with living past 100 years old is people who have consumed chronic, life-long low calorie diets. Of course, this has NOTHING to do with happiness and quality of life, just how long it takes reach the eternal dirt nap. So along with karma, you need to be really hungry most of the time too ; ) John From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:21:44 -0700 From: Keith Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Keith Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:08:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Track Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: running bad for you? (was street) .. Our Primary Care Physician is 80 years old and still runs nearly every day and is healthier and happier as a result. happier maybe, but how do you know healthier? Pretty tough concept to prove. So GH, what do you do for fitness/exercise? Don't be an early heart attack bro! I'm from the karma is karma school of thought. You play the hand nature dealt you. If you got good genes, you'll live a long time. Bad genes, a short time. And all the attempts to manipulate the system through diet and/or exercise is pretty much a fraud. Heard one syndicated doctor on the radio recently saying that he believes the only significant thing to increasing longevity is mental. Being happy and getting rid of stress in your life. He said there were some studies which suggested that the real benefit of exercise is that it takes your mind off the stresses which make you nuts; the phyiscal part was a very minor component. gh ps--12-ounce curls, many reps. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: Why on the street?
Assuming the street is asphalt, that suface is softer than concrete and thus is less likely to cause overuse injuries like sress fractures. I also personally find curb jumping and uneven sidewalks awkward and disruptive to my rhythm. Perhaps it's all in my mind but I prefer the street. From: Dave Cahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dave Cahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Why on the street? Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:16:13 -0700 (PDT) I have to ask all you road runners out there something that has been bothering me for way too long. Every time I see what looks to me like a recreational runner running, they are always on the street, even when a perfectly good sidewalk is available right next to them? All of the serious runners I know and have asked, tell me that they run on the sidewalk when they can. It just seems like common knowledge to not run on the street if you don't have to. (Sometimes I know there is not much of an option, but I am talking about when there is one.) It is obviously very dangerous and there have been multiple times I have had to swerve my car to avoid some jogger running in the street at night. I see it so many times that I really wonder if they are being told to do so by some running book or magazine. Has anyone seen anything published anywhere telling people to run in the street? Is there any logical reason? Like running up and down curbs is dangerous or unhealthy for some reason? Like they think they have the same road rights as cyclists? Are they just too lazy? I just don't get it. Does this bother anyone else or is it just me? I am very curious at to what you all think. Thanks, Dave Cahill Greater Boston Track Club __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
RE: t-and-f: RE: Bria Wetsch (was Run to the Top [top of what?])
The irony of this debate is that last year everyone was criticizing the dad for over-racing Bria and pushing her too much, too soon. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the Internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Reuben Frank Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: RE: Bria Wetsch (was Run to the Top [top of what?]) Nothing unique about Bria Wetsch. Running three hard 5K races every week is wrong for every 14-year-old girl. Roob __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: t-and-f: Pole Vault Rules Changes
Of all the suggested changes I like the coaching clinics and providing the coaches an area to coach from the best. You need to teach coaches about safety and then allow them to coach during the event. Rules about pole size and pole grip are no good at all because every athlete is different plus for each athlete there is a correct pole and grip for that day. Pad up all the hard surfaces and let coaches coach and you will eliminate nearly all the bad injuries. John
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t-and-f: Steeple WR at Zurich
http://waprod2.bluewin.ch/hc_cust1/results/re0290040.html
t-and-f: link to full zurich results
http://www.iaaf.org/gle02/index.asp?filename=/gle02/intro.html
t-and-f: Zurich start lists
If you go to: http://www.weltklasse.ch/eng/index.htm and scroll down to the bottom you can get the start lists for this Friday's meet.
RE: t-and-f: Blast from the past: Bob Bornkessel on sub-50s
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kudos to USATF for affirming the monumental 400 hurdle race by Kerron Clement, a high school junior (!) from La Porte, Texas. His 49.77 at the Junior Olympics finally erases the legendary 49.8 (hand-timed) altitude mark by Shawnee Mission North's Bob Bornkessel at South Lake Tahoe during the final Olympic Trials of August 1968. Finally? Bornkessel's record had already been erased a week earlier by Kenneth Ferguson's 49.38 in the World Juniors in Jamaica. Ferguson of course was second to Clement at Omaha in 49.83, which is also superior to Bornkessel's hand time. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the Internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aw well!! Do you really think that athletes from other countries who live here are testing regularly? Or let's take Russian athletes who now live in Israel. Go figure. I know a case whereby a foreign athlete who has actually represent his particular country in Oly Games and World Champs and does not even use his own identity. His birth certificate is nowhere to be found in his war torn country. Yes, we Americans are a big sophisticated country but are other countries really handing over their non existent doping results. I think not! What are you actually trying to say here? That it is OK for USATF to cover up positive drug tests, because other countries do it or don't test at all? Then why bother to test at all? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
Why not 300 meters? Athletics-Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash OSLO (Reuters) - Moroccan world record holder Hicham El Guerrouj has challenged U.S. sprinter Marion Jones to a 400-metre duel ahead of the first of seven Golden League meetings in Oslo on Friday. The two athletes tried to settle scores in front of reporters on Thursday over how much of a lead Guerrouj would need on a 100-metre sprint to beat Jones and how much distance Jones would be able to keep Guerrouj behind her. Let me take this opportunity to ask Marion if she wants to race me over 400 metres, said El Guerrouj, three times a world 1,500 metres champion but yet to win an Olympic gold in three attempts. The Moroccan said his personal 400-metres best was about 49.0 seconds -- half a second better than Jones's personal best over the distance. Both runners are favourites in their proper disciplines at the Bislett Games, which will feature Guerrouj in a showdown against Kenyan Noha Ngeny for the Dream Mile and Jones aiming to improve her own Bislett track record of 10.82 seconds. Tomorrow I will begin the quest of getting back to where I used to be, Jones said, who set her personal best of 10.65 back in 1998. The 2002 competition offers a share in 50 kilograms of gold to any athlete who wins their discipline at all seven meetings. Last year only five wins were required. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: US on trial; Oly cheats face exposure
The IAAF should immediately suspend every nation that doesn't have rigorous, independently audited, out-of competition and in-competition testing programs. If they do that, they might have a little currency to deal with the problems in the U.S. Otherwise, it is impossible to take any allegations seriously, because it is clearly just political maneuvering. Definitely agree it's political maneuvering. However, there is little PR value for the powers-that-be at the IAAF and IOC to take down the Botswanas and Myanmars of the world. That's where their power base lies - in smaller, developing countries. Better to take down the arrogant US of A to make a statement so they can build up more support to continue their cushy, all-expenses paid, blue blazer-wearing lifestyles. Did anyone follow the recent FIFA saga where Blatter got re-elected primarliy due to the power base he built up in Africa and Asia over the years? There was tons of evidence regarding corruption and ineptitude in his regime, but it didn't matter because the federations from those areas knew who was paying their bills. The IAAF and the IOC are different animals but same story. Read the book Lords of the Rings by journalist Andrew Jennings for more outrageous stories regarding the Olympic Movement. With that said, USATF still needs to get its act in gear. Right now it's all empty talk and posturing. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no way that he would do anything such as this that may hurt his Market Value. The talk is just a little spice for press. Barring injury, how does it hurt his Market Value? Even if he lost to Marion Jones, imagine all the hype and media exposure it would bring to the sport as well as his sponsors. It might be all talk, but I'm sure it would sell on Madison Avenue. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome
Would they keep the seats the color of those ugly old Astro uniforms? - Original Message - From: Lee Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: elite track at Astrodome Well, even after seeing an artist's rendering, I'm still having a hard time picturing it, but here's the idea for converting the Dome into a tf venue (scroll down to Athletics): http://www.houston2012.com/thegames-venues/reliant_park.html -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: Webb going pro
Suppose (and if Webb took anything less, I would be surprised and disappointed) he gets: a. -1 million dollar signing bonus (I would guess that is conservative (that's 50K a year for life invested)) Let's be realistic here instead of throwing all kinds of numbers around. First off, what company in their right mind would be willing to give an unproven 19 year-old track athlete a million dollar signing bonus? A shoe company? It just doesn't make sense. I would guess that the main target audience for purchasing running shoes (and apparel) are recreational runners and people looking for a comfortable walking shoe. These are the people driving the industry. Look at any issue of Runner's World, Running Times or even TFN and odds are you'll see plenty of shoe ads. How many ads have an elite athlete in it? Zero? One, maybe? Track stars just don't drive product sales to the running/walking masses. I know it's comparing apples to oranges but less and less NBA stars have huge shoe contracts. If I recall, Reebok dropped Shaq a few years ago. Here's a guy who gets more national (and even international) TV exposure in one game than Alan Webb will probably get in his lifetime, and it still doesn't help sell shoes! Another example being thrown out is Tiger Woods. Companies pay him big bucks because he helps them sell product. Golfers are willing to shell out $400 for a Nike driver or $40 for a box of golf balls just because Tiger uses the same equipment. Plus he gets his sponsors a ton of high-level media exposure on a regular basis. An elite track and field athlete doesn't have the same pull nor the access to prime media outlets to garner mass exposure for sponsors. Unless it's an Olympic year. That's a reality. If Alan Webb gets a 7 figure signing bonus or even a $100,000 a year deal then good for him. I just find it hard to fathom (from a business perspective) why any company would be willing to shell out that kind of money for him at this time. John __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro
As far as John Sun's comments are concerned, since when can business people be counted on to pay what the appropriate market is? Do a search and include dot-com and bubble in your search parameters. Draw your own conclusions. Business people will only pay what the market demands. Simple economics. Sure, in hindsight a lot of people were wildly overpaid during the dot-com bubble. But if you were trying to hire employees during that time, you had to pay through the nose for people, even if they were less qualified then you wanted. It was a sellers market. Professional team sports offer a great example. These are billion dollar businesses, and the owners pay what the market will bear. If it's 10 years at $252 mill for ARod or 5 years at $90 mill for Barry Bonds, it all depends on current market conditions and demand. In the case of AWebb, there is already a pretty good precedent on what the appropiate demand and market value is for track and field stars in the US. And it's not much. Face it, track field in its current state is not a big-money sport and probably will never be. Most people could care less about it in non-Olympic years. And those that do care, like the folks on this list, aren't spending enough to make a difference. Just my thoughts on the matter. John __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Lance Deal cracks AR for M40 hammer
Who wound you up? I think that it's time for another out-n-back run for you. Take care, JL Let me guess, it won't be a Masters record unless he files the proper documentation with those authorities? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Lance Deal cracks AR for M40 hammer Greetings, all The Associated Press reports that Lance Deal, who turned 40 last August, has won his ninth USATF national open title in the hammer: Lance Deal, who retired after the 2000 Sydney Olympics, returned to win his ninth national title in the hammer throw with a toss of 244-5. That ties Hal Connolly, who won nine U.S. titles in the hammer in the 1950s and 1960s. Deal, who only began working out seriously again in March, said nowhere in my wildest dreams did I think I'd be back here at the national championships. I just decided to go out and throw on a sunny day in December and it just filled my heart, said the graying Deal. It was like visiting an old friend. Deal, 40, was an Olympic silver medalist at the 1996 Atlanta Games and dominated hammer throwing in the United States throughout the 1990s. Me again: Deal brroke the listed American M40 record for the hammer of 243-11 (74.34) by Ed Burke at age 44 in 1984 and is 4 feet shy of the world masters record of 75.66 (248-3) by Yuriy Sedykh of Ukraine. Ken Stone http:/www.masterstrack.com Results: Flash Results, Inc. 2002 USA Outdoor Championships - 6/21/2002 to 6/23/2002 Cobb Track Angell Field, Stanford Univ. Event 39 Men Hammer Throw == American: 82.52m 9/7/1996Lance Deal, NYAC NameYear TeamFinals == Finals 1 Lance Deal New York Ath74.49m 244-05 72.41m 73.02m 74.49m 70.81m FOUL 74.41m 2 John McEwen Team ZMA74.18m 243-04 73.51m 74.18m FOUL 71.88m 71.87m 73.40m 3 Kevin McMahonNew York Ath73.65m 241-08 73.12m FOUL PASS FOUL 73.65m 72.26m 4 Jay Harvard New York Ath72.47m 237-09 72.47m 71.48m 70.15m FOUL 69.31m 67.85m 5 Gerald Ingalls US Army 70.40m 231-00 68.27m 67.38m FOUL FOUL 70.40m 66.03m 6 James HeizmanShore A.C. 68.11m 223-05 67.43m FOUL FOUL 64.24m 68.11m 66.02m 7 Scott BoothbyClub NorthWest 67.53m 221-07 66.44m 67.53m FOUL 65.68m 66.14m 63.78m 8 Carey Ryan DePAul University 67.41m 221-02 67.41m 66.40m 65.28m 64.31m FOUL 65.04m 9 Travis NutterVision Quest67.33m 220-11 FOUL 65.13m 67.33m 10 Bert Sorin Mjolnir Thro67.25m 220-08 67.25m 65.90m 63.92m 11 thomas freeman Manhattan College 65.97m 216-05 64.91m FOUL 65.97m 12 Kevin Mannon New York Ath65.42m 214-07 62.72m 64.95m 65.42m
Re: t-and-f: New American masters mile record for Young
Malmo, You crack me up! I picture you at birthday parties walking around with a pin and popping the balloons of all the kids. I've been trying to figure out PR's since I rounded over the hill. It's like this, if I run as fast today as I ran yesterday, it's a new PR for my age. Or, even if I run slower, it's a PR. Can you go up and down stairs yet? John malmo wrote: Record ratifying authorities? HA!! You guys really do take yourselves too seriously! Here's what I believe Masters running SHOULD be. A bunch of fit old guys training and racing so that they can travel, drink beer with their friends and swap tall tales, lies, rumor, and bawdy stories. Quite a bit more healthy than your version, I believe. So what exactly is the process of securing signatures and documentation for those self-appointed ratifying authorities? Could it be there is some sort of exchange of currency from record petitioner to the authority? malmo Looks like a legit candidate for American M40 record status. But of course he won't lay claim to the record without securing signatures and documentation. Hope he runs faster at Orono, where records set in the masters nationals are automatically forwarded to the record-ratifying authorities. Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com
t-and-f: Start list for US Open at Stanford
http://www.ustfopen.org/startList.shtml
RE: t-and-f: At least we're not the World Cup ...
I dont think the problem is that they are calling the game off of a tape, I think the audio track from the match is somehow comes too early. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. Roth Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 5:52 PM To: TF Listserve Subject: t-and-f: At least we're not the World Cup ... Talking of TV, it is S obvious the commentators of the England/Sweden match are watching the tape and calling it after the fact. They call wide shots before the ball even leaves the players foot. Thankfully, we've got pros like Larry who don't call crap like that. MJR
Re: t-and-f: Jennings craps out
Y'all, I don't know that Gabe gives a flip what you think, but I'll offer this for your thoughts. If gabe is suffering from clinical depression and is having trouble, what role would you like to play in his recovery? John Lunn yes, yes and again: yes!! while we're at it, let's put him in water and see if he floats. toby From: Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], TF Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Jennings craps out Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:39:33 -0400 Like i've said many times about Gabe, he should shut up, get a normal hair cut, shut up, shut up, train better, shut up, race smarter, shut up, actually beat people, or just shut up! MJR _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro...
The problem is greater than just wanting to peak at the right time. Webb has been practicing on his own, not warming up/down wqith the Michigan team, and in other ways not integrating himself into the Warhurst system. Webb talks (or did throughout much of the spring) to Razcko every night, seemingly undercutting Warhurst as his coach. If Webb turned pro, it is unclear whether Warhurst would let Webb stay in his system, since by turning pro Webb would be trying to get back to his high school coach's system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... It seems as though Webb wants to get away from Warhurst and move back to Razcko more than getting away from NCAA comp. Can anyone verify this? I would think it would be more like he would want to stay at Michigan, training with the Kevin, Tim, Paul and Nate (could you IMAGINE a better training group of North Americans???) perhaps take classes towards an eventual degree, but not run NCAA comp. In this way he still gets all the benefits of his current situation (classes towards a degree, training group and a great coach) but can concentrate on running the races and peaking at the times that make one a professional. With Nate running 1:47.00 (shutting down the last 100) last night, that makes Tim, Kevin, now Nate and Paul from last year to all succeed under Warhurst within the past 2 years. I don't know what he can do with mediocre talent, but the guy obviously knows how to develop World Class talent. Mike From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may turn pro... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Cook has been a long-time mentor to Raczko. A year ago Raczko and Warhurst had a model relationship, talking constantly about short- and long-term objectives, including the 2004 Olympics. The relationship has deteriorated. That's quite a loaded teaser. Anyone know details? Dan --- Paul Merca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...see Dick Patrick's article at http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/stories/2002-05-30-webb.htm Paul Merca = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: t-and-f: Montana State Meet results
Hmmm... Montana must not belong to the National Federation, which stipulates in its rule book that a high school athlete can compete in no more than 4 events in a meet. I would think with this girl having a hand in racking up 70 points in the state meet (did Conrad win the championship?) a half way savvy coach from another team might file a protest! *John Beattie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tony Banovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jack Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mike Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; track and field list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: t-and-f: Montana State Meet results Following are the highlights from the State H.S. meets May 24th and 25th in Montana. State AA and C (largest and smallest schools in Butte - elevation 5,600' +-), A B in Missoula (elev. = 3,200 +-). Okay now, get ready for this. As outstanding as Heidi Lane ran, this girl may have stolen the show. Can anyone say heptathlete. Lonnie Perkins. Conrad. Day 1 - LJ @ 16-11 1/2. Day 2 - 100 @ 12.47, 200 @ 25.40, 400 @ 55.99 (new state record), HJ @ 5-4, 400 relay @ 50.45, 1600 relay @ 4:05.49. All 1st places. That's right, 5 individual golds and 2 relay golds, with 6 of the 7 on the 2nd day of competition. Class C: And, if it hadn't been for Perkins, this girl would have shone very, very brightly. Cody Halsey. Harlowtown. 100 @13.13, 200 @26.39, 400 @ 59.48, 800 @ 2:20.34, 400 relay @ 57.46, 1600 relay @ 4:10.36. 4 individual golds and 2 relay golds.
Re: t-and-f: Converters do it again
It was a typo. His mark was 22.19m. --- Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By my calculator (I don't have a Big Green Book), 21.19m equals approximately 69-6 1/4. Anybody know what Toth's real mark was? Another example, if one was needed, of why marks should not be converted. USATF Communications wrote: Three Americans threw over 71 feet, 10 inches for the first time ever in a single competition, with Kevin Toth earning victory with a throw of 21.19m /72-9.75 to break John Godinas 1999 Hayward Field record of 72-3 as well as Al Feuerbachs 1974 meet mark of 70-7.5 -- Wayne T. Armbrust, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computomarx 3604 Grant Ct. Columbia MO 65203-5800 USA (573) 445-6675 (voice FAX) http://www.Computomarx.com Know the difference between right and wrong... Always give your best effort... Treat others the way you'd like to be treated... - Coach Bill Sudeck (1926-2000) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: NCAA men's lists
Pole Vault is 5.35 which is closer to 17'6 1/2 than 16'6. - Original Message - From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: t-and-f: NCAA men's lists The men's NCAA Div I Q lists have been posted, showing the current cutoff points for the fields: 100 21 10.28 200 19 20.70 400 19 46.04 (I was in Princeton over the weekend at the IC4A, where Richard James of Long Island U. and Joe Mendel of UConn were repaid for their terrific stretch runs. James made it in at 45.96, and Mendel is the last qualifier at 46.04.) No Alleyne Francique/LSU, who, it appears, has been ruled ineligible. 800 19 1:48.32 1500 20 3:43.10 Field includes 3 from Stanford (Jennings, Robison, Sage), 3 from Villanova (Blincoe, Parlapiano, Hayden), 1 from Arkansas (Mulvaney) steep 20 8:47.44 5k 20 13:53.61 5 from Stanford (Robison, Luchini, Riley, Hejny), 3 from Arkansas (Cragg, Lincoln, Kimeli) 10k 20 29:06.41 HH 18 13.78 No Gatlin, keeping him in the dashes and relays IH 19 50.55 Rickey Harris doubling 400-IH 4x1 12 39.63 4x4 12 3:05.71 HJ 19 7-1.75 PV 20 16-6.5 LJ 21 25-4.5 TJ 19 52-11.5 SP 19 61-1.5 DT 19 185-11 Ham 19 204-0 JT 20 227-3 Dec 19 7254 Paul Terek/Michigan State doubling PV/Dec, although they conflict The women's lists have not been pared yet. JP/NYC
Re: t-and-f: F%*# Baseball!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who gives a rat's ass about baseball! Okay, the issue of steroids in the sport is somewhat connected to track field, but I could care less if baseball is in bad financial shape. It's the national pastime and will always be around. What we need to worry about is track, a sport that is in lousy shape at all levels. Collegiate teams are getting cut, meets are dying in Europe and we're all fiddling while the Golden Gala burns. We had a fantastic meet at Portland and now it's only three days before Pre and there's been no discussion whatsoever! The men's shot is going to be incredible once again. After one of the greatest three-way battles ever last week in Portland, all the major players are back. Can Nelson throw even further? Sure. The conditions in Portland, where several hundred spectators surrounded the shot area, can only be matched in this country by Eugene's fans. Something special could be on tap. Then there's the men's mile. Lagat versus El G. One of only a handful of times the top two ranked athletes in that event will meet this year. I know sub-3:50 is tough mid-day in May, but it's possible. I didn't see the men's 5000 entries on the Pre site, but if all goes well, the Ethiopians will be there, including Kenisisa Bekele in his first track race since killing the fields in both races at World Cross. This could be the heir to Haile's throne. Also, great fields in every other event. I'll be at the pub Sunday night to watch it on ESPN2. You'd better be watching too, and not discussing Barry's biceps. sideshow A better way to look at this situation. The list seems to focus on bad news. There was no discussion that I can remember about Bonds when he broke the HR record. The fact that there is little discussion on this list about track and field must indicate that our world is full of good news and we just don't want to talk about it. I'll be happy if they don't lose my sons' entry, they can find his hip number, they can pronounce his name properly, they can introduce him with more than another miler from Stanford, and he doesn't go to sleep between 700 and 900 yards into the race. Real happy! John
Re: t-and-f: F%*# Baseball!!!
We had a fantastic meet at Portland and now it's only three days before Pre and there's been no discussion whatsoever! I'm surprised no one commented on ESPN's coverage of the Portland meet. I'm glad there was an opportunity to watch track on TV, but the coverage left me disappointed. The timing system they used (or lack thereof in the steeple) was annoying. The clock didn't stop when the winner hit the line so I had to wait for the times to be posted. They also took a commercial break with 3-4 laps left in the steeple and only returned with a half lap to go (sans the timer). They hyped Broe's AR attempt a bit before the race and then didn't have his time on the screen when he was on the final stretch. Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but it seemed like a very sloppy job all around by ESPN. Let's hope the broadcast is better for the Pre Meet. If not then at least I won't have to complain about TV coverage for the Oracle US Open at Stanford because I'll be in the stands :-) __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
RE: t-and-f: Golden West Info?
Entry standards are at http://www.dyestat.com/us/2out/gwi/standards.htm You still have to be invited. The page says if you meet the standards (47.75 for boys 400), Go to the GWI web page www.gwinvitational.org, fill out the Athlete Information Form and FAX it to GWI at 916-487-8601. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the Internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Track Field List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Golden West Info? Does anybody know who to contact with info on Golden West. A friend of mine has a 400 meter runner who is interested. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Big 12 results?
Not the most user-friendly site but here are the Big 12 results: http://mutigers.fansonly.com/ot/big12-outdoor-2002.html You have to pull the menus down for results for each event. --- Lee Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know the Big 12 results yet? I hate to be too critical, because I know it's probably some unpaid intern in charge of it, or maybe a technical malfunction, but the Mizzou web site just isn't getting the job done. The last result they posted was the men's 4x1, which was run at 1:45pm. The meet ended an hour and a half ago, and I'm still almost completely in the dark. The Internet has spoiled me with realtime results. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766 ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Kipketer Runs 8:05 ...Steeple!
I was checking the Qatar Grand Prix results and did a double take when I saw the results for the 3000m Steeplechase. Is it safe to say that Kipketer is the fastest 800m/3000m Steepler ever? 1 Kipketer Wilson DEN 8:05.98 2 Kosgei Reuben KEN 8:06.58 3 Kosgei John KEN 8:08.13 4 Cherono Stephen KEN 8:08.73 5 Koech Paul KEN 8:09.05 6 Nyamu Julius KEN 8:11.13 7 Kiplitan Thomas KEN 8:12.91 8 Saifeldin Khamis Abdullah QAT 8:29.67 9 Misoi Kipkirui KEN 8:30.13 10 Guermoud Hicham MAR 8:49.65 Langat John KEN DNF __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
t-and-f: FALSE START? Kipketer Runs 8:05 ...Steeple!
Sorry, I might have jumped the gun on this one. I now know that there is also a steepler Wilson Boit Kipketer who took the silver at Sydney. Is this a typo (DEN instead of KEN)? Does he now represent Denmark as well? Or has 800m record holder Wilson Kipketer moving up in distance? Hope someone can clarify this. John --- John Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was checking the Qatar Grand Prix results and did a double take when I saw the results for the 3000m Steeplechase. Is it safe to say that Kipketer is the fastest 800m/3000m Steepler ever? 1 Kipketer Wilson DEN 8:05.98 2 Kosgei Reuben KEN 8:06.58 3 Kosgei John KEN 8:08.13 4 Cherono Stephen KEN 8:08.73 5 Koech Paul KEN 8:09.05 6 Nyamu Julius KEN 8:11.13 7 Kiplitan Thomas KEN 8:12.91 8 Saifeldin Khamis Abdullah QAT 8:29.67 9 Misoi Kipkirui KEN 8:30.13 10 Guermoud Hicham MAR 8:49.65 Langat John KEN DNF __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Gatlin receives a two-year conditional suspension after testing positive for amphetamine
This just crossed the wire. Only took 11 months to settle the whole matter, including arbitration. I thought the USADA charter called for a much tighter timeframe for settling these things. Track and field athlete suspended after failing drug test May 14, 2002 COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) -- Justin Gatlin, an NCAA and Southeastern Conference champion who runs for Tennessee, has received a two-year conditional suspension after testing positive for amphetamine, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency said Tuesday. Gatlin, 20, of Pensacola, Fla., tested positive for the substance in a urine sample taken at the 2001 U.S.A. Track Field Junior National Championships June 16 in Richmond, Va. Amphetamine, which is banned in athletic competition, was contained in prescription medication Gatlin has been taking for 10 years. Gatlin must forfeit his first-place finishes in the 100 and 200 meters, and 110-meter hurdles. Amphetamine, a stimulant, is banned by the International Association of Athletics Federations. The agency said Gatlin stopped taking his prescription medicine several days before the competition, but it did not fully clear his system. A three-member panel from the North American Court of Arbitration for Sport determined that Gatlin was not trying to cheat, and his mistake was at most a technical violation. It was the 13th drug suspension announced by the doping agency this year. The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, an independent agency funded by the federal government, oversees drug-testing of American athletes. On the Net: U.S. Anti-Doping Agency: http://www.usantidoping.org __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: url that has exact regional qualifying proposal
--- Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I believe a great deal of it has been determined: The four regional meets would be held the final weekend of May. In 2003 there are five weekends in May, so it would be the latest possible dates, May 30-31. The NCAA would be 2 weeks later, or in 2003 June 11-14. In future years, May's schedule would become compressed, pushing conference meets that have traditionally been the third weekend of May onto the second weekend. (The main impact here is likely to come in the East, where many schools have traditionally had two conference meets -- their own, plus the IC4A/ECAC. That meet is now under pressure to move to a new place on the calendar.) Wouldn't it make sense to incorporate the IC4A/ECAC meet into the new East Regional? Don't they do this already in XC with the district meet or am I mistaken? John __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: All-Time US Women's 10k List
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In an odd coincidence, I was talking with a friend (totally unrelated to running) of mine here in Charlottesville, and we began to discuss running. She told me that she used to run quite a bit. Not so remarkable, lots of people can say that. Then she mentioned that she ran a 33 minute 10k back around '79, along with some extremely fast times in 10 mi., 20k and half marathon, and ran with Lynn Jennings and company on the national championship Liberty x-c team back in the day. Well, I wasn't expecting that. And I'm certain it's not a line of b.s., because she said some very nice things about Tom Derderian! Liberty A. C. won the national women's AAU cross country championship in 1978 and 1979. The scoring members of the 1979 team were Lynn Jennings - 5th place, Joan Benoit - 6th, Ellison Goodall (a Duke grad) - 8th, Dia Elliman - 16th and Susan Hughes - 46th. Benoit and Goodall finished 1-2 in the 1978 Bonne Bell 10K in Boston in 33:15 (a new American best) and 33:20 respectively. John Babington (Liberty A. C. '74-'93)
t-and-f: Junior nonesense
Ritz also missed the American junior record for 5000m by two days. Had he been born Jan 1, 1983 instead of Dec. 30, 1982 he would have smashed the AJR of 13:38.39 by Franklyn Sanchez last year. Why this nonesense with junior status where the cutoff of a couple of days prevents competing as a junior for an entire year? Why not have a systme in which an athlete could compete as a junior and set records as a junior up until his or her 20th birthday, at which point the status would end? Uder this new system, the fact that Ritz was born two days earlier would make him ineligible for junior status TWO DAYS EARLIER, he would not lose the entire year. Especially for record purposes, someone born just after the new year (an arbitrary date) could set junior records up until he or she was almost 20, while someone like Ritz must stop just after their 19th birthday.
RE: t-and-f: Junior nonesense
But even if that weren't the case, a by-birthday system can be even more unfair becuase of the limited nature of the track season. It's not as if you can go out an compete 365. i.e., if you turn 20 in January you get one fewer Junior track seasons than does somebody who is born in December of the same year. (many other months at either end, of course, do the same thing) but in this case, the two people would be born 12 months apart, and so it would fair to let the younger runner have another track season as a junior. as for the status changing in-season issue, I think it would be fairly straightforward - you compete as a junior until you are 20. If this means that the 4th place at the trials must step in because the winner turned 20, so be it - note that none of these people would be competing at all in the year anyway, so they might be grateful for another few months at track. this seems to be the fairest way. john
Re: t-and-f: 5K stats goof
Let's not forget the Arkansas duo of Cragg (13:22.07) and Lincoln (13:36.12). Their 26:58.19 is only 4+ secs off of the Torres/Ritz combo. If Cragg and Lincoln both run the 5k at NCs, we could have a repeat of the indoor 5K battle between Arkansas and CU. --- Mike Prizy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Six seconds each is in the bag, but does it have to be this year? They'll be at 26:30 next season. Combine Ritz and the Torres twins, and that three-person time could be history also. Ed and Dana Parrot wrote: one sharp-eyed list member has already caught this bit of foolishness on my part: In '79 Oregon totalled 26:41.7 w/ Chapa (13:19.3) and Salzar (13:22.4), but again, that's not even the best Duck total (!). That came the next year, with McChesney (13:18.6) and Salazar (13:23.62) totalling 26:42.2. 'tis but a trifle. So, any bets on whether Ritz and Torres can knock off 6 seconds each and surpass the Ducks? If they do it after NCAA's, it would still count? - Ed Parrot __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Ritz's impressive 5050
I noticed that too. He was either a step behind Torres or right next to him for at least the last half of the race. There were times I thought he would pass Torres but he never did. He doesn't have the strength or the finishing speed of Torres...yet. But when he does, watch out. Right now he's one tough kid not afraid to mix it up with the big boys. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't key on him the whole race, but Ritzenhein ran at least the last half of the STanford 5K a couple of feet out from the curb, on Torres' shoulder. So instead of a 5000, he ran about a 5050, so figure he's already close to a 13:20 guy. gh __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
t-and-f: Fw: recipe
- Original Message - From: Joanna Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lee Love (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steph Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Bale [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Susan Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Will Bradbury [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Simon Brentford [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Simon Brentford [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jason brister [EMAIL PROTECTED]; andy burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chris Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Champ [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Channin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rupert Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ruth Covell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kat Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kat Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; catherine dyson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Marie Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ben frank [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sara Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: recipe Another true story? It figures, another large corporation trying to screw the little man - this should teach them! Pass it on - it is one way to get them back This is great. A little background: Neiman-Marcus, if you don't know already, is a very expensive store; i.e., they sell your typical $8.00 T-shirt for $50.00. Let's let them have it! THIS IS A TRUE STORY My daughter and I had just finished a salad at a Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas, and we decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the Neiman-Marcus cookie. It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe, and the waitress said with a small frown, I'm afraid not, but you can buy the recipe. Well, I asked how much, and she responded, Only two fifty-it's a great deal! I agreed to that, and told her to just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement, and the Neiman-Marcus charge was $285.00! I looked again, and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, Cookie Recipe-$250.00. That was outrageous! I called Neiman's Accounting Department and told them the waitress said it was two fifty, which clearly does not mean two hundred and fifty dollars by any reasonable interpretation of the phrase. Neiman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my money because, according to them, What the waitress told you is not our problem. You have already seen the recipe. We absolutely will not refund your money at this point. I explained to the Accounting Department lady the criminal statutes which govern fraud in the state of Texas. I threatened to report them to the Better Business Bureau and the Texas Attorney General's office for engaging in fraud. I was basically told, Do what you want. Don't bother thinking of how you can get even, and don't bother trying to get any of your money back. I just said, Okay, you folks got my $250, and now I'm going to have $250 worth of fun. I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus...for free. She replied, I wish you wouldn't do this. I said, Well, perhaps you should have thought of that before you ripped me off! and slammed down the phone. So here it is! Please, please, please pass it on to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid $250 for this, and I don't want Neiman-Marcus to EVER make another penny off of this recipe! NEIMAN-MARCUS COOKIES (Recipe may be halved) 2 cups butter 24 oz.chocolate chips 4 cups flour 2 cups brown sugar 2 tsp. soda 1 tsp. salt 2 cups sugar 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 5 cups blended oatmeal 4 eggs 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) Measure oatmeal, and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla, mix together with flour,oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar, and nuts. Roll into balls, and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. PLEASE READ THE RECIPE AND SEND IT TO EVERY PERSON YOU KNOW WHO HAS AN E-MAIL ADDRESS! THIS IS REALLY TERRIFIC = An English professor wrote the words, Woman without her man is nothing, on the blackboard and directed the students to punctuate it correctly. The men wrote: Woman, without her man, is nothing. The women wrote: Woman! Without her, man is nothing. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Re: t-and-f: Fw: recipe
It seems to me that the most important issue is that of the recipe. Has anyone tried it? Is it any good? Is there such a thing as a bad chocolate chip cookie? Have we had every discussion known to mankind concerning track and field? John George Cole wrote: THIS IS NOT A TRUE STORY and should not be on this list even if it was!!! This same true story has been passed around for years - by word of mouth before the internet. George - Original Message - From: John Bale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sport History Scholars list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Track Field List (E-mail 2) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Anthony P. Bale [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:49 AM Subject: t-and-f: Fw: recipe - Original Message - From: Joanna Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lee Love (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steph Acton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Bale [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Susan Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Will Bradbury [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Simon Brentford [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Simon Brentford [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jason brister [EMAIL PROTECTED]; andy burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chris Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Champ [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Channin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rupert Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ruth Covell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kat Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kat Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; catherine dyson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Marie Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ben frank [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sara Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: recipe Another true story? It figures, another large corporation trying to screw the little man - this should teach them! Pass it on - it is one way to get them back This is great. A little background: Neiman-Marcus, if you don't know already, is a very expensive store; i.e., they sell your typical $8.00 T-shirt for $50.00. Let's let them have it! THIS IS A TRUE STORY My daughter and I had just finished a salad at a Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas, and we decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the Neiman-Marcus cookie. It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe, and the waitress said with a small frown, I'm afraid not, but you can buy the recipe. Well, I asked how much, and she responded, Only two fifty-it's a great deal! I agreed to that, and told her to just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement, and the Neiman-Marcus charge was $285.00! I looked again, and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, Cookie Recipe-$250.00. That was outrageous! I called Neiman's Accounting Department and told them the waitress said it was two fifty, which clearly does not mean two hundred and fifty dollars by any reasonable interpretation of the phrase. Neiman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my money because, according to them, What the waitress told you is not our problem. You have already seen the recipe. We absolutely will not refund your money at this point. I explained to the Accounting Department lady the criminal statutes which govern fraud in the state of Texas. I threatened to report them to the Better Business Bureau and the Texas Attorney General's office for engaging in fraud. I was basically told, Do what you want. Don't bother thinking of how you can get even, and don't bother trying to get any of your money back. I just said, Okay, you folks got my $250, and now I'm going to have $250 worth of fun. I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus...for free. She replied, I wish you wouldn't do this. I said, Well, perhaps you should have thought of that before you ripped me off! and slammed down the phone. So here it is! Please, please, please pass it on to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid $250 for this, and I don't want Neiman-Marcus to EVER make another penny off of this recipe! NEIMAN-MARCUS COOKIES (Recipe may be halved) 2 cups butter 24 oz.chocolate chips 4 cups flour 2 cups brown sugar 2 tsp. soda 1 tsp. salt 2 cups sugar 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 5 cups blended oatmeal 4 eggs 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) Measure oatmeal, and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both
t-and-f: Bucher out for at least six weeks
Here's a post about track Athletics-Bucher out for at least six weeks with foot injury GENEVA (Reuters) - Swiss 800 metres world champion Andre Bucher has been sidelined for at least six weeks after fracturing his left foot during training. Bucher told Swissinfo.org that the injury would force him to miss the European Cup in June and July's Grand Prix meeting in Lausanne. But the 28-year-old refused to be drawn on whether he would make the European championships in Munich in August. That all depends on how quickly the injury heals, he said. Bucher, who became Switzerland's first track world champion when he won the 800 metres title last year in Edmonton, suffered the injury while running around a bend. I'm not going to get too down about it, Bucher said. But it means the first half of the season is over for me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
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RE: t-and-f: PR HS 4x400 Results
Netters: Would appreciate it if anyone has results of Penn HS 4x400 which does not appear on the relays site. Ed Grant I found this on the Phila Inquirer web site: 1, Holmwood Technical, Jamaica (Shawn Sargeant, Jermaine Myers, Kirk Wint, Yhann Plummer), 3:13.41. 2, Taft, Cal. 3, Deep Creek, Va. 3:15.74. 4, Oxon Hill, Md., 3:17.48. 5, Abington, 3:18.84. 6, Winslow Another site had Winslow's time of 3:17.84 and Camden 8th in 3:18.58. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED] DyeStat - the Internet home of high school track www.dyestat.com
