Re: Windows 10 gone

[michael's emails via Talk]

well i made a back up image of my computer including all the windows 8.1 
before i install win 10.


-Original Message- 
From: christopher hallsworth via Talk

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 4:37 PM
To: l.urie ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 gone

Wrong for the first 30 days. You can roll back to your previous version. 
After that, there's no going back. Who said Windows 10 deletes any recovery 
partitions? If true, that's not good especially for those who bought PCs 
preinstalled with Windows 7, 8 or 8.1.
On 31 Jul 2015, at 01:23, l.urie via Talk  
wrote:


I thought that once Windows 10 was installed there was no going back?  Is 
that wrong?


Lee


- Original Message - From: "Don H via Talk" 


To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 7:29 PM
Subject: Windows 10 gone


Should have taken the advise to wait on the Windows 10 upgrade.  I 
continued to have problems with WE not reading anything in the file 
explorer.  Thought I had it fixed but no such luck.  I have now gone back 
to Windows 8.1 and hope what ever the problems are whether it is a WE or 
Windows issue get fixed soon.  Just a note reverting back to Win 8.1 was 
painless.

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Re: Windows 10 gone

[christopher hallsworth via Talk]

Wrong for the first 30 days. You can roll back to your previous version. After 
that, there's no going back. Who said Windows 10 deletes any recovery 
partitions? If true, that's not good especially for those who bought PCs 
preinstalled with Windows 7, 8 or 8.1.
> On 31 Jul 2015, at 01:23, l.urie via Talk  wrote:
> 
> I thought that once Windows 10 was installed there was no going back?  Is 
> that wrong?
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Don H via Talk" 
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> To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 7:29 PM
> Subject: Windows 10 gone
> 
> 
>> Should have taken the advise to wait on the Windows 10 upgrade.  I continued 
>> to have problems with WE not reading anything in the file explorer.  Thought 
>> I had it fixed but no such luck.  I have now gone back to Windows 8.1 and 
>> hope what ever the problems are whether it is a WE or Windows issue get 
>> fixed soon.  Just a note reverting back to Win 8.1 was painless.
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Re: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer

[christopher hallsworth via Talk]

Try opening the ribbon and selecting the view tab. To do this, press the alt 
key as if you were opening a menu bar. Now right arrow to view tab and press 
space to select.
> On 31 Jul 2015, at 01:31, Kevin Minor via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chip.
> 
> I am using Windows 10, and I tried to follow your instructions to see if my
> preview pane was checked.  I can't find any organize option when tabbing in
> Windows Explorer.  Any ideas to try?
> 
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: Curious about Windows 10

[Edward Green via Talk]

Hi,

I’d just go and download it from 
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 


It’s not worth going through the system tray process (you’d need to run Windows 
update and download all/the relevant one).  The thing you’ll be downloading is 
a media creation tool, but you can choose Upgrade this PC fairly early on.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 31 Jul 2015, at 02:27, Carol and Roger via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello.  I am running a Windows 7 64-bit desktop computer from Dell.  I have 
> never gotten anything at all about updating to Windows 10.  How do I find out 
> any information about updating my computer?  Thank you.
> 
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RE: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

[gary melconian via Talk]

I'm wondering how come the open source community was the first one out of
the gate to get microsoft edge working with screen reader on windows 10. I'm
just wondering since AI Squared and GW have a  working and tight
relationship with Microsoft how come they could not have gotten Microsoft
edge the next gen browser by Microsoft working with Windo Eyes 9.2. Just
wondering.  

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Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

Hi,

I've got a lot to learn about Windows 10, but, in general, its working
pretty well.  I'm still trying to figure out how Cortana and the text to
speech app work together, but there is lots to learn.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 7/30/2015 7:29 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Should have taken the advise to wait on the Windows 10 upgrade.  I 
> continued to have problems with WE not reading anything in the file 
> explorer.  Thought I had it fixed but no such luck.  I have now gone 
> back to Windows 8.1 and hope what ever the problems are whether it is 
> a WE or Windows issue get fixed soon.  Just a note reverting back to 
> Win 8.1 was painless.
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Re: windows 10

[Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk]

Let me save you a step.

Windows+u, then alt+N.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz via Talk" 
To: "'Matthew Chao'" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
; "'Chris Grabowski'" 

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: windows 10



Under win7 it is Windows-U, then tab twice and press enter...

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+ralf.kefferpuetz=elra-consulting.de@lists.window-eyes.c
om] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:54 PM
To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: windows 10

Hi, Chris.  Will most of the programs installed still be there after
the upgrade?

Also, noticed under Windows 7 that Windows Enter does not bring up
Narrator.  Is there another hotkey for this?  Thanks.--Matthew Chao

At 01:06 PM 7/29/2015 +, you wrote:
There will be  a time during the install where you'll need to use 
Narrator.


After the system reboots  just wait, say 20 minutes or longer.
If you don't get speech, press windows-enter to load narrator.
Use narrator to continue the setup process.

When you are at the desktop Window-eyes may load or it may
not.  Yesterday on my tablet it didn't load.  I had to load it manually.
Fortunately I had narrator still giving me assistance.
Once Window-eyes was running, I pressed windows-enter to turn off 
narrator.


Chris


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On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:21 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: windows 10

Heard windows 10 is a free download for a year, so after the
download do you just run it like anyother download and as long as
we9.2 is installed you will hear what is going on? When I do it I
will be updating from windows 8.1.
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Re: Window-eyes 9.2 Problem

[net bat via Talk]

first thing. check the factory set files.  i had 5 that were out of date.
make sure you keep the dictionaries when you install them or your custom 
dictionary files will be over written.

mergeing them has never worked right after i did this.
like i e, firefox, notepad,office 365 etc.
and once they have been updated reload w e.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:25 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-eyes 9.2 Problem

   Hi,
Ib�m using Window-eyes 9.2 with Windows 7 Professional.
Window-eyes is speaking only some of the characters some of the time.  Also it 
is not speaking space when I hit the space bar most of the time.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks,
Pastor Gil
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Re: Tutorial for Win 10 with WE 9.2?

[Edward Green via Talk]

Hi Chris,

The learning curve likely won’t be as big as for Windows 8 or for an entirely 
different OS.

However, it’s probably a bit early in the day for certainly polished tutorials 
to be available.  I imagine you might see podcasts the other side of the 
weekend, but you may be waiting a while if you want something a bit more formal.

In the meantime, there are various resources such as keyboard shortcuts etc 
that the tech sites have put together.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 31 Jul 2015, at 04:30, Chris T via Talk  wrote:
> 
> How big will the learning curve be for someone in essence moving from XP to 
> 10 with WE 9.2? Are there any tutorials that might help?
> 
> I have been using Windows 7 64-bit for years, but might as well have been 
> using XP since I never learned most of the  new features like how to use 
> ribbons. So, I am looking for tutorials that will help me get caught up to 
> Windows 10 with Window-Eyes 9.2.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris
> 
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Re: Windows 10 gone

[net bat via Talk]

from what i have read you can roll back to your previous version for 30 days 
from the day win 10 was installed. after that there is no going back.
i also think win 10 will erase the hidden partition a factory built computer 
uses to restore back to the factory defaults.

i don't remember what web page i saw this.

-Original Message- 
From: l.urie via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:23 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 gone

I thought that once Windows 10 was installed there was no going back?  Is
that wrong?

Lee


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To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 7:29 PM
Subject: Windows 10 gone


Should have taken the advise to wait on the Windows 10 upgrade.  I continued 
to have problems with WE not reading anything in the file explorer.  Thought 
I had it fixed but no such luck.  I have now gone back to Windows 8.1 and 
hope what ever the problems are whether it is a WE or Windows issue get fixed 
soon.  Just a note reverting back to Win 8.1 was painless.

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Re: Win 10 responsiveness

[Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk]

Hi Don,

You can look at Xplorer.  A file explorer replacement.
I am using it all the time with WE9.2 and I like it more than the standard 
explorer.
In win7 or 8 it is more responcive, so in win`0 too, I think.
You have to reclass the explorer window in this program to a listview, but 
after this, it is accessible.
On the GWmicro site there must be a podcast. I thought that it was done by 
Chris G. from AI squared.

You can download it from: www.zabkat.com
The program is not free, but there is a 14 day version orso.

AQnd there is a lite version that is free.

Regards, Marten


On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:57:21 -0500 Don H via Talk  
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> OK so I have been reporting that Win 10 would not read the list of entries in 
> the file manager.  Cris at Aisquared sent me a link for a full copy of 9.2 
> and the WE removal tool.  I used the removal tool to remove WE and 
> reinstalled a clean copy.  Now WE will at least read the items with the arrow 
> keys in the file manager but still has a lag of several seconds between 
> pressing a up or down arrow key and voicing what it should.  Far from 
> acceptable but better than no speaking of the list items.
> Is there a good alternative to file manager?  I think someone mentioned one 
> in the past.
> Thanks
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Re: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

I know the original poster was asking about just Eloqeunce, but I
think it would be advised that you read over this FAQ (Frequently
Asked Questions) document Bush.
This will help you know the main differences between the paid and
Window-Eyes for Office offer.

http://www.windoweyesforoffice.com/FAQ/
I hope this document helps everybody on this list.

Regards,
Keith

On 7/30/15, gary melconian via Talk  wrote:
> No all you get is Microsoft sapi 5 which is much better than eloquence.
> Also
> you get e spak .thee are the two free ones. If you want eloquence it will
> cost you $39. If you have a copy of Kurzweil, then you can rrun the speech
> work version of eloquence and from my pint of view that's a much better
> then
> any eloquence out there.  Also ther isa sapi 5 version by code factory as
> well.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: does eloquence come with wineyes for office
>
> Hello, does the eloquence synthesizer come free with wineyes for office, or
> do you have to buy eloquence separatly? thanks.
>
> Butch
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Re: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

[michael's emails via Talk]

Hi Bob i will wait for a while before i install windows 10.

But i was wondering if you hae found the lagging that ppeople are finding in 
windows 10.

Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 1:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

Hi,

I've got a lot to learn about Windows 10, but, in general, its working
pretty well.  I'm still trying to figure out how Cortana and the text to
speech app work together, but there is lots to learn.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 7/30/2015 7:29 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
Should have taken the advise to wait on the Windows 10 upgrade.  I 
continued to have problems with WE not reading anything in the file 
explorer.  Thought I had it fixed but no such luck.  I have now gone back 
to Windows 8.1 and hope what ever the problems are whether it is a WE or 
Windows issue get fixed soon.  Just a note reverting back to Win 8.1 was 
painless.

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Tutorial for Win 10 with WE 9.2?

[Chris T via Talk]

How big will the learning curve be for someone in essence moving from XP to 10 
with WE 9.2? Are there any tutorials that might help?

I have been using Windows 7 64-bit for years, but might as well have been using 
XP since I never learned most of the  new features like how to use ribbons. So, 
I am looking for tutorials that will help me get caught up to Windows 10 with 
Window-Eyes 9.2.

Thanks,

Chris

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Re: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,

I've got a lot to learn about Windows 10, but, in general, its working 
pretty well.  I'm still trying to figure out how Cortana and the text to 
speech app work together, but there is lots to learn.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

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Should have taken the advise to wait on the Windows 10 upgrade.  I 
continued to have problems with WE not reading anything in the file 
explorer.  Thought I had it fixed but no such luck.  I have now gone 
back to Windows 8.1 and hope what ever the problems are whether it is 
a WE or Windows issue get fixed soon.  Just a note reverting back to 
Win 8.1 was painless.

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RE: Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Was RE: further impression of Windows 10

[gary melconian via Talk]

You can get  it through ww.windoweyesforoffice.com.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:45 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Was RE: further impression of Windows
10

Rod,

Can one download 9.2 for Office from the link you provided?  I don't have a
DVD, especially seeing that I have Office 3 65, which BTW, yes, I did just
renew.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Rod Hutton via Talk" 
To: "'Chris Grabowski'" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion
List'" 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:31 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Was RE: further impression of Windows 10


> Hi,
>
> Just to be clear, if you get a new PC pre-installed with Windows 10, 
> you'll need a full installer of Window-Eyes 9.2, either from a DVD or 
> a download which the AI Squared staff can provide all owners of the 
> retail version of Window-Eyes, as they did for me.
> Of course, for the users of Window-Eyes for Office, this would be 
> available
> on:
>
> http://windoweyesforoffice.com.
>
> hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:45 AM
> To: Matthew Chao; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10
>
> Hi,
> You need 9.2 installed before upgrading to Windows 10.  If any version 
> of Window-eyes prior to 9.2 is installed, Windows 10 will not install.
> Chris
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:38 AM
> To: Josh Rivera ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10
>
> Only one problem:  what if you don't have the Window-Eyes 9.2 
> installation CD?  You can't install 9.1 first, then upgrade, can 
> you?--Matthew Chao
>
> At 10:18 AM 7/30/2015 -0400, you wrote:
>>I seem to remember that Doug advised not to install WE-9.2 until first 
>>installing Win-10. Then go ahead, and install 9.2.
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Talk
>>[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>>Behalf Of Don H via Talk
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:58 PM
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>Subject: further impression of Windows 10
>>
>>OK so I installed Windows 10 over a Windows 8.1 system.  The install 
>>went well and all programs worked after the install.  Thunderbird 
>>works fine Crome works fine and WE came up talking.
>>Biggest issues is being very sluggish when it comes to file manager or 
>>when trying to use the up and down arrows to work through a list.  
>>This sluggishness is to the point of making file manager useless as it 
>>make take several seconds after you press the down or up arrows before 
>>WE talks.
>>Unless I am missing something I understood that the Windows 7 style of 
>>start menu was part of Windows 10.  Unless there some way to change it 
>>it isn't even close to being a Windows 7 start menu.  Unless there is 
>>a fix for the sluggishness I would recommend thinking twice before 
>>upgrading to Windows 10.
>>If I am again missing something and there is a easy fix please pass it 
>>along and I will gladly retract my negative report.
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RE: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

[gary melconian via Talk]

No all you get is Microsoft sapi 5 which is much better than eloquence. Also
you get e spak .thee are the two free ones. If you want eloquence it will
cost you $39. If you have a copy of Kurzweil, then you can rrun the speech
work version of eloquence and from my pint of view that's a much better then
any eloquence out there.  Also ther isa sapi 5 version by code factory as
well.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:41 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

Hello, does the eloquence synthesizer come free with wineyes for office, or
do you have to buy eloquence separatly? thanks.

Butch

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Curious about Windows 10

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hello.  I am running a Windows 7 64-bit desktop computer from Dell.  I 
have never gotten anything at all about updating to Windows 10.  How do 
I find out any information about updating my computer?  Thank you.



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Outlook 2013 under Windows 7

[Michael Massey via Talk]

Hi.  It seems that no matter what I have tried, my messages still will not
display as read or unread no matter which folder I select.  I have
downloaded Marc Solomon's webinar recording of part one of working with
Outlook 2013 and Window-eyes.  When I try following the steps to turn off
the preview payne, here's what happens.  Marc says to press alt-v to
activate the view menu.  Then he says to press the letter p twice in
succession to activate the people payne.  After the second press of the
letter p, the computer dings at me and I am unable to find any of the items
so I can turn the people payne off.  I hear line one, line two, line three.
When I press the uparrow key in the message list in the Outlook 2013 inbox,
I hear unread selected messages tree view.  When I press the delete key I
hear delete selected messages button.  With all of the discussion of whether
technical support is needed or not, I sure could use it now, smile  

 

Mike M. .

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RE: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer

[Kevin Minor via Talk]

Hi Chip.

I am using Windows 10, and I tried to follow your instructions to see if my
preview pane was checked.  I can't find any organize option when tabbing in
Windows Explorer.  Any ideas to try?

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: Windows 10 gone

[l.urie via Talk]

I thought that once Windows 10 was installed there was no going back?  Is 
that wrong?


Lee


- Original Message - 
From: "Don H via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 7:29 PM
Subject: Windows 10 gone


Should have taken the advise to wait on the Windows 10 upgrade.  I 
continued to have problems with WE not reading anything in the file 
explorer.  Thought I had it fixed but no such luck.  I have now gone back 
to Windows 8.1 and hope what ever the problems are whether it is a WE or 
Windows issue get fixed soon.  Just a note reverting back to Win 8.1 was 
painless.

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HALE I GOT A PROBLEM WITH 9.2

[stephen thacker via Talk]

Hi folks, I've downloaded 9.2 and it's resolved a few intermet 
problems I've been experiencing with 9.1, however, every so often 
regardless of what programme I'm using, the speech dies fer quite 
some time and I leave it and when I return it's ok again. Is 
there anything wrong and if not, is there any way a totally blind 
person who lives on his own can do to tell what's happening when 
theoe is a gap in which there is no speech? I'm getting 
frustrated whilst awaiting Windows 10 as that may cure things. 
One thing I have noticed is that some websites can't seem to cope 
with passwords I have set up which I know are coorect as they've 
wooked previously, so am I doing anything wrng there? I have 
Windows 8.1 on a quod core pc with 14gb ram and 8gb of other 
memory.


Thanks for any advice, Steve
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Re: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

You have to buy it.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Butch K via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:41 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

Hello, does the eloquence synthesizer come free with wineyes for office, or 
do you have to buy eloquence separatly? thanks.


Butch

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does eloquence come with wineyes for office

[Butch K via Talk]

Hello, does the eloquence synthesizer come free with wineyes for office, or do 
you have to buy eloquence separatly? thanks.

Butch

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Windows 10 gone

[Don H via Talk]

Should have taken the advise to wait on the Windows 10 upgrade.  I 
continued to have problems with WE not reading anything in the file 
explorer.  Thought I had it fixed but no such luck.  I have now gone 
back to Windows 8.1 and hope what ever the problems are whether it is a 
WE or Windows issue get fixed soon.  Just a note reverting back to Win 
8.1 was painless.

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Window-eyes 9.2 Problem

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Hi,
I’m using Window-eyes 9.2 with Windows 7 Professional.
Window-eyes is speaking only some of the characters some of the time.  Also it 
is not speaking space when I hit the space bar most of the time.
Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks,
Pastor Gil
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RE: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Hi Lynn,

I thought I had send those instructions to the list, but I can't find a
copy, so here they are:

* Open a Windows explorer window.
* tab to the "organize" button.
* press spacebar, which should bring up a context menu.
* arrow down to the "layout" submenu and open it up with the right arrow.
* arrow down until you find the "preview pane" and make sure it is not
checked; if it is checked, press  on it to remove the checkmark;
otherwise press escape.

Hth,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Lynn White [mailto:lynnwhite...@radioforlife.info] 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:10 PM
To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer

Good question.  Where is the preview pane?  Thanks.

On 7/30/2015 3:55 PM, Chip Orange via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bud,
>
> I'm just wondering, did this help your crashing problem?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chip
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Bud Schwab via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:12 PM
> To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer
>
> Chip, where do I find where to disable preview mode?  Like several
> others I find my crashes have no pattern to be specific about
> anything. It seems to do it the worst with IE , but it can also do it
> right in the middle of reading an email.  I'll keep watching the list
> and also will post anything I discover about it all.
>
> BudAt 08:30 AM 7/29/2015, you wrote:
>> You could check the preview mode and make sure it is disabled; it
>> causes problems when moving the selection over certain types of
>> files where the previewer can't deal with those types, or their data
>> isn't what the file extension indicates it should be.  We just had
>> such an incident a few minutes ago with a sighted user where I work
>> (no screen involved at all), and she needed to turn off the preview
>> pane to solve it.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip Orange
>> Florida Public Service Commission
>> Computer Systems Analyst
>> 850-413-6314
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:26 AM
>> To: Lynn White; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer
>>
>> ok, so it's not just me!  Thank you!  I don't suppose that actually
>> helps, but yes, this is definitely happening to me too. I'm running
>> Windows 7 64-bit, if that helps.  The frustrating part is it seems to
>> happen for no rhyme or reason. I can't find a pattern for it so I can
>> reliably tell people when the problem happens. It seems very random,
>> which makes the problem that much harder to fix.  If I do find a pattern
>> for when it happens i'll gladly post a more definiative bug report with
>> examples of when it happens, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/28/2015 11:53 PM, Lynn White via Talk wrote:
>>> I have actually had two crashes in the last two days whenever windows
>>> explorer freezes and have had to reboot.  I wish I could figure out
>>> why Explorer wants to crash after much intensive use of the machine.
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Outlook 2013 under Windows 7

[Michael Massey via Talk]

Hi.  I've been on the phone with a Microsoft accessibility answer desk
representative for the second time this afternoon.  Here's why.  

 

When I first contacted the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk, I wanted the
title bar in Outlook 2013with the inbox open to read exactly the same on
both my desktop computer running Windows 8.1 and my laptop computer running
Windows 7 64 bit.  In order to do that, the representative had to create a
new Outlook 2013 account on the Windows 7 laptop computer.  She was able to
do that, but then everything in Outlook 2013 on my laptop was reading e-mail
grouped by dates and however it reads by default.  The second
representative tried to compare the settings on my desktop computer running
Outlook 2013 and managed to get the messages to read more like a list view.
However, now none of the messages in the inbox or my saved e-mail folders on
my laptop computer will  indicate whether they are read or unread like they
do on the desktop computer.For whatever reason, when I press the
ctrl-shift-question keystroke to read the set up information with Outlook
2013 open, the dialog will not read on either computer.All I hear is the
word question.  This has happened before.  I wish I had left well enough
alone because the 2010 pst file transferred the settings from version 2010
to 2013 on my laptop computer just fine.  That's what I get for being so
picky.  I am running Window-eyes 9.2 under Windows 8.1 and under Windows 7
64 bit.  I'm grasping at straws here.  The representative wants to escalate
the case and she has provided me with a case number.  I probably will have
to find Marc Solomon's webinar to help me get Outlook 2013 working the way
I'd like it to.  I wanted to call Ai Squared for support but it is too
late in the day.  What a mess!  .

 

Mike M. 

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RE: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

[Veronica Smith via Talk]

This is exactly what mine used to do with WE 9.1, but now with the new 9.2,
it appears to be doing fine.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:16 PM
To: Dave Bahr; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

I'm actually seeing some of this behavior in WE 9.1 that I installed a few
weeks ago.  I'll be writing an email in Outlook and go back to review it and
it's not reading.  I thought it was happening only when I used bold text,
but that's not true. I composed this message fine.  Oh, wait, now I just had
a weird glitch. I was just about to send this message and think I pressed
Control Home to go to the top of the message to run spellcheck.  Then
Outlook started reading some garbled message that seems to pull some info
from my ribbon, but nothing I can fully decipher.  It kept repeating that
same garble as I arrow up and down my message (yes, I can see the cursor to
see it's moving up and down the lines in my editing field) until I Alt
tabbed away and came back.  Redrawing the screen did not fix it. 

I can keep watching for a pattern.  I don't recall having any of this
problem before upgrading to 9.1.  


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Of Dave Bahr via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:44 PM
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Subject: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

Hi. Is anyone else having a lot of trouble getting we 9.2 to focus the up
and down arrows in outlook 2010 when composing a new message? I've had to
have the arrows move up and down several times on certain lines before we
would read the line I had just typed. Otherwise it would be silent. Seems to
not relate to apps as I just turned them off and the same thing happens. Is
this a new bug or something that I just never noticed before somehow? 

 

Thanks, Dave

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Re: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer

[Lynn White via Talk]

Good question.  Where is the preview pane?  Thanks.

On 7/30/2015 3:55 PM, Chip Orange via Talk wrote:

Hi Bud,

I'm just wondering, did this help your crashing problem?

Thanks,

Chip


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On Behalf Of Bud Schwab via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:12 PM
To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer

Chip, where do I find where to disable preview mode?  Like several
others I find my crashes have no pattern to be specific about
anything. It seems to do it the worst with IE , but it can also do it
right in the middle of reading an email.  I'll keep watching the list
and also will post anything I discover about it all.

BudAt 08:30 AM 7/29/2015, you wrote:

You could check the preview mode and make sure it is disabled; it
causes problems when moving the selection over certain types of
files where the previewer can't deal with those types, or their data
isn't what the file extension indicates it should be.  We just had
such an incident a few minutes ago with a sighted user where I work
(no screen involved at all), and she needed to turn off the preview
pane to solve it.

Chip





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Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



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On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:26 AM
To: Lynn White; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer

ok, so it's not just me!  Thank you!  I don't suppose that actually
helps, but yes, this is definitely happening to me too. I'm running
Windows 7 64-bit, if that helps.  The frustrating part is it seems to
happen for no rhyme or reason. I can't find a pattern for it so I can
reliably tell people when the problem happens. It seems very random,
which makes the problem that much harder to fix.  If I do find a pattern
for when it happens i'll gladly post a more definiative bug report with
examples of when it happens, etc.





On 7/28/2015 11:53 PM, Lynn White via Talk wrote:

I have actually had two crashes in the last two days whenever windows
explorer freezes and have had to reboot.  I wish I could figure out
why Explorer wants to crash after much intensive use of the machine.
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Re: first impressions of Win 10

[Chris via Talk]

Thunderbird is working here on Windows 10. Using it now as I write.

On 29/07/2015 22:38, Sue J Ward via Talk wrote:

  I have not upgraded to windows 10 still on windows 7. Was wondering
will Thunderbird work in windows 10? Maybe reinstall the windows enhance
app and in the view section have the list view box checked.

On 7/29/2015 5:30 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Have Windows 10 installed on my HP laptop running a I7 processor with
8 Gigs of RAM.
Am finding WE response lagging in file explorer.  If you use the arrow
keys to go through the list of files and folders using the arrow keys
there is much more lag that there was in Windows 8.1. Anyone else have
this issue?  Is there any settings that can be changed to resolve this
issue?
Thanks
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Win 10 responsiveness

[Don H via Talk]

OK so I have been reporting that Win 10 would not read the list of 
entries in the file manager.  Cris at Aisquared sent me a link for a 
full copy of 9.2 and the WE removal tool.  I used the removal tool to 
remove WE and reinstalled a clean copy.  Now WE will at least read the 
items with the arrow keys in the file manager but still has a lag of 
several seconds between pressing a up or down arrow key and voicing what 
it should.  Far from acceptable but better than no speaking of the list 
items.
Is there a good alternative to file manager?  I think someone mentioned 
one in the past.

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RE: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Hi Bud,

I'm just wondering, did this help your crashing problem?

Thanks,

Chip


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Bud Schwab via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:12 PM
To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer

Chip, where do I find where to disable preview mode?  Like several 
others I find my crashes have no pattern to be specific about 
anything. It seems to do it the worst with IE , but it can also do it 
right in the middle of reading an email.  I'll keep watching the list 
and also will post anything I discover about it all.

BudAt 08:30 AM 7/29/2015, you wrote:
>You could check the preview mode and make sure it is disabled; it 
>causes problems when moving the selection over certain types of 
>files where the previewer can't deal with those types, or their data 
>isn't what the file extension indicates it should be.  We just had 
>such an incident a few minutes ago with a sighted user where I work 
>(no screen involved at all), and she needed to turn off the preview 
>pane to solve it.
>
>Chip
>
>
>
>
>
>Chip Orange
>Florida Public Service Commission
>Computer Systems Analyst
>850-413-6314
>
>
>
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>From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:26 AM
>To: Lynn White; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: Window-Eyes 9.2 still crashing With Windows Explorer
>
>ok, so it's not just me!  Thank you!  I don't suppose that actually
>helps, but yes, this is definitely happening to me too. I'm running
>Windows 7 64-bit, if that helps.  The frustrating part is it seems to
>happen for no rhyme or reason. I can't find a pattern for it so I can
>reliably tell people when the problem happens. It seems very random,
>which makes the problem that much harder to fix.  If I do find a pattern
>for when it happens i'll gladly post a more definiative bug report with
>examples of when it happens, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>On 7/28/2015 11:53 PM, Lynn White via Talk wrote:
> > I have actually had two crashes in the last two days whenever windows
> > explorer freezes and have had to reboot.  I wish I could figure out
> > why Explorer wants to crash after much intensive use of the machine.
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RE: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.

[evelyn weckerly via Talk]

Hi,

When I called to order the SMASTUPGRADE (including 9.2), I spent 
the extra $20 to get a COULD copy.  I have more than one computer 
and thought that the wisest way to go.  I'm glad to know tI must 
have 9.2 running when upgrading a Windows 7 machine.


Evelyn



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Discussion List'" 
Date sent: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:11:47 +0100
Subject: RE: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? 
Meaning,my	friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work 
with windows ten.


Hi,

So if that's the case and you have windows 10 or you've purchased 
a windows
10 machine, wineyes 9.2 doesn't come on a cd.  How can you get 
around this?


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To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? 
Meaning, my
friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows 
ten.


Thanks, that's what I initially told my friend, but am glad to 
have it

verified from source.
--
Curtis Delzer  wrote:

Hello,
No you need 9.2 installed to run with Windows 10.  9.1 is not 
compatible.


Chris


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Subject: Re: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? 
Meaning, my
friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows 
ten.


I don't believe it will.  They will have to upgrade to 9.2 
before upgrading

to Windows 10.

On 30/07/2015 19:50, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

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RE: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.

[Darren Harris via Talk]

Hi,

So if that's the case and you have windows 10 or you've purchased a windows
10 machine, wineyes 9.2 doesn't come on a cd. How can you get around this?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
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On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: 30 July 2015 21:07
To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my
friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.

Thanks, that's what I initially told my friend, but am glad to have it
verified from source.
-- 
Curtis Delzer 

On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:49:33 +
Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:

> Hello,
> No you need 9.2 installed to run with Windows 10.  9.1 is not compatible.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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Behalf Of Chris via Talk
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> Subject: Re: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my
friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.
> 
> I don't believe it will. They will have to upgrade to 9.2 before upgrading
to Windows 10.
> 
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Re: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Thanks, that's what I initially told my friend, but am glad to have it
verified from source.
-- 
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:49:33 +
Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:

> Hello,
> No you need 9.2 installed to run with Windows 10.  9.1 is not compatible.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chris via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 3:20 PM
> To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my 
> friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.
> 
> I don't believe it will. They will have to upgrade to 9.2 before upgrading to 
> Windows 10.
> 
> On 30/07/2015 19:50, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> >
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RE: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hello,
No you need 9.2 installed to run with Windows 10.  9.1 is not compatible.

Chris


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Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my friend 
wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.

I don't believe it will. They will have to upgrade to 9.2 before upgrading to 
Windows 10.

On 30/07/2015 19:50, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
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Re: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.

[Chris via Talk]

I don't believe it will. They will have to upgrade to 9.2 before 
upgrading to Windows 10.


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Re: Windows 10

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

no key.
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:05:59 -0700
Pastor Gil Pries via Talk  wrote:

> Do you have to type in a key for Windows 10?
> 
> Pastor Gil
> 
> -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
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> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Windows 10
> 
> I assume that there is still more than one edition of Windows 10, such
> as home and pro.  Does it install the version that matches your current
> Operating System?
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Re: Windows 10

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

It appears so, Don, since I had windows 7 pro 64, I now have windows ten
pro 64.
:)
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> I assume that there is still more than one edition of Windows 10, such as 
> home and pro.  Does it install the version that matches your current 
> Operating System?
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Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

-- 
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Re: Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Was RE: further impression of Windows 10

[Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk]

Rod,

Can one download 9.2 for Office from the link you provided?  I don't have a 
DVD, especially seeing that I have Office 3 65, which BTW, yes, I did just 
renew.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Rod Hutton via Talk" 
To: "'Chris Grabowski'" ; "'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List'" 

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:31 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Was RE: further impression of Windows 10



Hi,

Just to be clear, if you get a new PC pre-installed with Windows 10, 
you'll

need a full installer of Window-Eyes 9.2, either from a DVD or a download
which the AI Squared staff can provide all owners of the retail version of
Window-Eyes, as they did for me.
Of course, for the users of Window-Eyes for Office, this would be 
available

on:

http://windoweyesforoffice.com.

hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:45 AM
To: Matthew Chao; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10

Hi,
You need 9.2 installed before upgrading to Windows 10.  If any version of
Window-eyes prior to 9.2 is installed, Windows 10 will not install.
Chris



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[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
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Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:38 AM
To: Josh Rivera ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10

Only one problem:  what if you don't have the Window-Eyes 9.2 installation
CD?  You can't install 9.1 first, then upgrade, can you?--Matthew Chao

At 10:18 AM 7/30/2015 -0400, you wrote:

I seem to remember that Doug advised not to install WE-9.2 until first
installing Win-10. Then go ahead, and install 9.2.



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[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: further impression of Windows 10

OK so I installed Windows 10 over a Windows 8.1 system.  The install
went well and all programs worked after the install.  Thunderbird works
fine Crome works fine and WE came up talking.
Biggest issues is being very sluggish when it comes to file manager or
when trying to use the up and down arrows to work through a list.  This
sluggishness is to the point of making file manager useless as it make
take several seconds after you press the down or up arrows before WE 
talks.

Unless I am missing something I understood that the Windows 7 style of
start menu was part of Windows 10.  Unless there some way to change it
it isn't even close to being a Windows 7 start menu.  Unless there is a
fix for the sluggishness I would recommend thinking twice before
upgrading to Windows 10.
If I am again missing something and there is a easy fix please pass it
along and I will gladly retract my negative report.
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Re: further impression of Windows 10

[Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk]

Ouch!  I'm glad you told us this, as I don't have 9.2 yet.  Honestly, I 
don't have a single thing whatsoever wrong with Window-Eyes, in fact, I 
really actually like it quite a lot.  That said though, it's not my primary 
screen reader.  That's why I haven't really made an effort to upgrade it to 
9.2.  I did have Office 3 65, but unfortunately due to personal reasons, I 
had to cancel, as it was becoming a pudgit problem.  I guess I'll just have 
to resub though and eat the cost.  It'll be annoying, but if I can't install 
W10 otherwise, then, ok.


Yeah, I suppose I could totally for now uninstall W E and not have it on my 
system, point blank, but I'm not sure how well jaws or NVDA would work with 
W10, and frankly, this isn't the list to find that out, iether.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 
To: "Matthew Chao" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10



Hi,
You need 9.2 installed before upgrading to Windows 10.  If any version of 
Window-eyes prior to 9.2 is installed, Windows 10 will not install.

Chris



-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:38 AM
To: Josh Rivera ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10

Only one problem:  what if you don't have the Window-Eyes 9.2
installation CD?  You can't install 9.1 first, then upgrade, can
you?--Matthew Chao

At 10:18 AM 7/30/2015 -0400, you wrote:

I seem to remember that Doug advised not to install WE-9.2 until first
installing Win-10. Then go ahead, and install 9.2.



-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: further impression of Windows 10

OK so I installed Windows 10 over a Windows 8.1 system.  The install
went well and all programs worked after the install.  Thunderbird works
fine Crome works fine and WE came up talking.
Biggest issues is being very sluggish when it comes to file manager or
when trying to use the up and down arrows to work through a list.  This
sluggishness is to the point of making file manager useless as it make
take several seconds after you press the down or up arrows before WE 
talks.

Unless I am missing something I understood that the Windows 7 style of
start menu was part of Windows 10.  Unless there some way to change it
it isn't even close to being a Windows 7 start menu.  Unless there is a
fix for the sluggishness I would recommend thinking twice before
upgrading to Windows 10.
If I am again missing something and there is a easy fix please pass it
along and I will gladly retract my negative report.
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button serach the web and windows

[Don H via Talk]

On Windows 10 there is a button I think in the task bar that says 
"Button search the web and windows".  Clicking or entering on this 
button seems to do nothing.  Anyone figured out this button?

Thanks
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RE: 9.2, not reading full lines

[Josh Rivera via Talk]

It's been my experience, that the window-manager app doesn't always work. I
have entered MSE several times, but it still, more often than not, doesn't
maximize the window, so I wind up having to do it manually.
Josh


 
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Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:54 PM
To: 'john s'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: 9.2, not reading full lines

Hi John,

I've found this is often a sign that a window is not maximized; so try
maximizing each window when you open it.  Or, download and use the Window
Manager app, which will do this for you automatically.

Hth,

Chip


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On Behalf Of john s via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 7:26 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: 9.2, not reading full lines

I have installed version 9.2 and it isn't reading full lines, such as 
complete file names, lines on a web page or the settings in the WE 
control panel.  For example, in the control panel, WE will read hot 
instead of hot key.  What do I need to change to fix this.  I'm using 
a triple talk pci synth and Windows 7 professional.  Also, 
ctrl-shift-t no longer gives me the state of a window, just the first 
part of the title.


John

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RE: Opinion on moving from the paid version of we to the free version

[Chip Orange via Talk]

I went back (since I started out with Jaws), and made the case that the tech
support was so poor with jaws that I could not use it at all; it wasn't
working on my setup at the time, and the agency who purchased it couldn't
help (although that was their justification for forcing me into jaws, that
they could "support" it).  Well, they could not, and it would not work, and
so I switched.

(btw, 3 months later I got someone at FS who knew how to make it work; the
problem is that jaws is also copy protected, and their system was failing on
my laptop, and I had to authorize my copy 8 times in a row, with 8 different
authorizations, to get it to work; if I updated, the same again, and they
only allow 3 authorizations without cutting you off, so you can imagine it
was very frustrating).

My point being, you can make a case when it's completely failing to work,
that you must have something else; you just document, write letters, and
call, until it happens.

Chip


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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:07 PM
To: 'Michael Massey'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Opinion on moving from the paid version of we to the free
version

mike nott all of us are so fortunate. Some of us have the  other screen
readerwhether that be if it was  purchase for work reasons or purchased for
school reason by agencies like Rehab. 

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Behalf Of Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:47 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Opinion on moving from the paid version of we to the free version

Hi.  I purchased my first s m a about a month ago.  I'm speculating here,
but I feel that purchasing a software maintenance agreement was a wise
investment because if I hadn't purchased the agreement, I would have paid
the $49 plus whatever the next paid upgrade would cost, and for all I know I
might have spent about the same amount if not more.  Also, Ai Squared's free
unlimited technical support is some of the best in the technology field if
you have a fully licensed copy of Window-eyes.  I don't feel like paying for
support on a per incident basis.  The costs could add up, smile.  I'm
sticking with what I have.  

 

Mike M. 

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RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Yes, I think Andy knew that, but I believe his point is that often, tech
support needs to be much more than an ocasional answer; but a long involved
trouble shooting process.

If you're employed, or you use your pc for electronic banking, bill paying
or anything else critical, and your screen reader just stops working, you
really need tech support (not just an ocasional answer).

Chip


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On Behalf Of john s via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:45 PM
To: Baracco, Andrew W; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to
free version

Andy, what I meant by tech support is getting an answer to an 
occasional question.



earlier, Baracco, Andrew W via Talk, wrote:
>It troubles me when someone says that they'll just use this list for
>tech support. There is a big difference between friendly advice and tech
>support. I do not think that anyone here is going to spend a long time
>helping someone solve a complicated problem when they are not being
>compensated for their time. Fortunately I have seldom required true tech
>support, but I have been grateful for its availability when I have
>needed it. I think that the free offering is great for those in
>financial need, but going from the paid product to the free product is a
>big step backward, and not advisable particularly at this time when we
>are going through such major changes.
>
>Andy
>
>
>-Original Message-
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>Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:36 PM
>To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to
>free version
>
>Hi.  Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk.
>Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the
>first place.  For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support
>and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count.  You also
>can get your licensed upgrade quickly.  Ok, the servers got hammered at
>first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few
>upgrades while you've had your SMA.  I would rather have an agreement
>with GW/AI for my screen reader.  MS has nothing to do with it this way.
>
>   The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the
>initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value
>decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy.
>
>On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> > My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move
>to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech
>support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a
>big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know if
>others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I
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>that Eloquence voice if I have to.
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RE: 9.2, not reading full lines

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Hi John,

I've found this is often a sign that a window is not maximized; so try
maximizing each window when you open it.  Or, download and use the Window
Manager app, which will do this for you automatically.

Hth,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of john s via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 7:26 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: 9.2, not reading full lines

I have installed version 9.2 and it isn't reading full lines, such as 
complete file names, lines on a web page or the settings in the WE 
control panel.  For example, in the control panel, WE will read hot 
instead of hot key.  What do I need to change to fix this.  I'm using 
a triple talk pci synth and Windows 7 professional.  Also, 
ctrl-shift-t no longer gives me the state of a window, just the first 
part of the title.


John

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RE: Window-Eyes 9.2

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Tom,

I've seen this happen when the mouse pointer is over something, and the read 
tooltip feature of WE keeps reading the something when you arrow around.

Try moving the mouse pointer down to an empty corner of the window to see if it 
stops.

Chip


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:17 PM
To: talk viaGW
Subject: Window-Eyes 9.2

Hi. I downloaded this yesterday, but it just started doing this today. As I am 
writing this message, I am hearing the “folder tree list pane” and the subject 
of my message. I can’t stop the repetition. It’s driving me crazy. How can I 
stop this?
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RE: Window-Eyes 9.2

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Hi Sky,

No, I am not seeing this with Word 2010.  The only thing I can think of is
to suggest that you be sure the document window is maximized.  I use the
Window Manager app, and set Word windows to always get maximized when
they're opened.

Also, is it possible the document you are working with has some blank lines
in it?  Have you tried more than one document?

Chip


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:11 PM
To: 'bryan'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes 9.2

Hello guys. I'm expeerienceing a problem with Window-Eyes 9.2. When I go
into a document using Microsoft word, and I use the down arrow key,
Window-Eyes will read the first line, but then, when there is another
paragraph, Window-Eyes will go silent, until I hit the down arrow key again.
Is this a bug? Or what.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of bryan via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 5:07 PM
To: gary melconian ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.2 is now available

There is a free office version of it.  But if you want to buy it It is
$49 But as was mentioned before there is a free office version.

On 7/27/2015 4:49 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:
> What will this cost. Also will there  be an free office version of 
> this  to install as well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:31 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: RE: Window-eyes 9.2 is now available
>
> Hi Reeva,
>
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>
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> product will combine the power of ZoomText and Window-Eyes in a single 
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> progressive eye conditions or are in transition from low vision to 
> blindness.  ZoomText Fusion includes all of the power of ZoomText 
> Magnifier, ZoomText Magnifier/Reader, as well as complete and full 
> screen reading into one, single, integrated product.
>
> More info coming soon. 
>
> All the Best,
>
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Curry
> Director of Product Management
> Ai Squared, Inc.
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>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+jcurry=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:21 PM
> To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.2 is now available
>
> Any improvements on how we works with zoomtext yet?
>
> Reeva
>
> On Monday, July 27, 2015, Nick Sarames via Talk 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Is it recommended that I upgrade if I am not planning on installing
>> Windows-10 (at least not in the near future)?  And if I upgrade, but 
>> I end up prefering 9.1, will it be easy to reinstall 9.1?
>>
>> On 7/27/2015 11:35 AM, Michael Massey via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.  Those who are receiving an error when attempting to download 
>>> the upgrade of Window-eyes 9.2 have encountered this error before,
smile, and
>>> you are not alone, believe me!This isn't my first rodeo, and I am
>>> certain I can speak for others.  I tried downloading the upgrade 
>>> from the help menu on my desktop computer running Windows 8.1 and on 
>>> my laptop running Windows 7 64 bit home premium edition with the 
>>> same error Loy mentioned.  I usually have been able to get an 
>>> upgrade installed on the day of its release, but I'll try every few 
>>> minutes as in the past.  I have personal business to take care of 
>>> later on today, and so if I don't get the upgrade downloaded and 
>>> installed before that time, that will allow more time for a break, 
>>> smile.  This upgrade sounds very promising, and yes, I reserved my 
>>> copy of Windows 10, smile. Also, when I try to check the update page 
>>> to go over the information concerning the s m a count and the other 
>>> various messages, the page will not load.  I, like others, am 
>>> chalking things up to the overwhelmed servers.  Chris, hammered 
>>> sounds like a good word, smile.  .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike M.
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RE: SMA or free version

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Yes, absolutely Steve ... the only time you get a full version of Office is
with a new pc where you end up paying for it to be included in the bundle
(you pay, directly or indirectly, but it's not free).

Chip


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On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:36 PM
To: john s; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: SMA or free version

Never count on Microsoft ever being consistant with their office 
products (or anything else for that matter). Like some one said earlier, 
the day will come when all of a sudden either gradually or all at once 
where they will stop supporting WE.

What makes me really wonder is why do they still keep Narrator around 
and up-to-date and still have Window-eyes?

I've had many machines over the years and most of them only came with a 
very slimmed down or trial copy of Office, so not sure who said every PC 
these days comes with office installed. That's BS. From personal 
experience and working with other computers I can definitely tell you 
that is not true.

==Steve
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Re: SMA or free version

[Stephen Clark via Talk]

Never count on Microsoft ever being consistant with their office 
products (or anything else for that matter). Like some one said earlier, 
the day will come when all of a sudden either gradually or all at once 
where they will stop supporting WE.


What makes me really wonder is why do they still keep Narrator around 
and up-to-date and still have Window-eyes?


I've had many machines over the years and most of them only came with a 
very slimmed down or trial copy of Office, so not sure who said every PC 
these days comes with office installed. That's BS. From personal 
experience and working with other computers I can definitely tell you 
that is not true.


==Steve
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RE: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

[Dave Bahr via Talk]

Yeah that seems to have been the culprit. Apologies I should have done that
before posting to the list. 

-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange [mailto:chip.ora...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07/30/2015 10:06 AM
To: 'Dave Bahr'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

Sorry Dave, I'm also using Outlook 2010 and I am not seeing this.

You might try restarting Outlook (I think I've noticed that things work
better if you have Window-Eyes running before you start Outlook; so if you
restarted your WE while Outlook was running, maybe this accounts for it?)

Chip


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On Behalf Of Dave Bahr via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

Hi. Is anyone else having a lot of trouble getting we 9.2 to focus the up
and down arrows in outlook 2010 when composing a new message? I've had to
have the arrows move up and down several times on certain lines before we
would read the line I had just typed. Otherwise it would be silent. Seems to
not relate to apps as I just turned them off and the same thing happens. Is
this a new bug or something that I just never noticed before somehow? 

 

Thanks, Dave

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RE: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

This is correct.  You'd need to upgrade to 9.0/9.1, that is what the $175 does.

Thanks,
Chris


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On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Loy ; Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes 
Discussion List 
Subject: Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

It says it's 175 for me whenI check the price on the web site. Then again I 
am running 8.4 so perhaps that has something to do with it.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:34 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

This  is the upgrade price if you already own a current version of WE and
don't have a SMA.
- Original Message - 
From: "Darrell Bowles via Talk" 
To: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" ; "Window-Eyes
DiscussionList" 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2


> So I can get a full copy of Window-Eyes for $49?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> $49 is all?  Wow!  That is not! half bad!
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 
>> 
>> To: ; "Window-EyesDiscussion List" 
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:58 AM
>> Subject: RE: WINDOW-EYES 9.2
>>
>>
>>> If you do not have an active SMA the cost is $49.  If you do have an SMA 
>>> the upgrade is free and does not count against your SMA.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:00 AM
>>> To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>>> 
>>> Subject: WINDOW-EYES 9.2
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone:
>>>
>>> I'm behind on mail.  Could someone please advice:  Is Window-Eyes 9.2 a 
>>> free
>>> or paid upgrade?  If free, I can't seem to download it when the CHECK 
>>> FOR
>>> UPDATE dialogue window pops up.  I keep hearing "progressing, 
>>> progressing"
>>> endlessly and finally a time out.  What gives?
>>>
>>> If a paid upgrade, just how much does it cost?
>>>
>>> Gracious thanks for all help!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Olusegun
>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>
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RE: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Sorry Dave, I'm also using Outlook 2010 and I am not seeing this.

You might try restarting Outlook (I think I've noticed that things work
better if you have Window-Eyes running before you start Outlook; so if you
restarted your WE while Outlook was running, maybe this accounts for it?)

Chip


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Bahr via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

Hi. Is anyone else having a lot of trouble getting we 9.2 to focus the up
and down arrows in outlook 2010 when composing a new message? I've had to
have the arrows move up and down several times on certain lines before we
would read the line I had just typed. Otherwise it would be silent. Seems to
not relate to apps as I just turned them off and the same thing happens. Is
this a new bug or something that I just never noticed before somehow? 

 

Thanks, Dave

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RE: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Things are much better in Outlook in 9.2 (which Dave was using), so I don't
know why Dave was having an issue, but yes Robin, I did have issues in 9.1.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:17 PM
To: Dave Bahr; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

I'm actually seeing some of this behavior in WE 9.1 that I installed a few
weeks ago.  I'll be writing an email in Outlook and go back to review it and
it's not reading.  I thought it was happening only when I used bold text,
but that's not true. I composed this message fine.  Oh, wait, now I just had
a weird glitch. I was just about to send this message and think I pressed
Control Home to go to the top of the message to run spellcheck.  Then
Outlook started reading some garbled message that seems to pull some info
from my ribbon, but nothing I can fully decipher.  It kept repeating that
same garble as I arrow up and down my message (yes, I can see the cursor to
see it's moving up and down the lines in my editing field) until I Alt
tabbed away and came back.  Redrawing the screen did not fix it. 

I can keep watching for a pattern.  I don't recall having any of this
problem before upgrading to 9.1.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dave Bahr via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: up and down arrows in ms outlook 2010

Hi. Is anyone else having a lot of trouble getting we 9.2 to focus the up
and down arrows in outlook 2010 when composing a new message? I've had to
have the arrows move up and down several times on certain lines before we
would read the line I had just typed. Otherwise it would be silent. Seems to
not relate to apps as I just turned them off and the same thing happens. Is
this a new bug or something that I just never noticed before somehow? 

 

Thanks, Dave

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RE: I'm encountering a couple of issues with Window-Eyes and Windows 10.

[Chip Orange via Talk]

This is one of the issues solved in 9.2.

Chip


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 10:56 PM
To: Kevin Minor; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I'm encountering a couple of issues with Window-Eyes and
Windows 10.

The problem with Win eyes responding quickly to a Down Arrow, is
something I experince in Window Exporer in Win 7, as well as when using
Any Browser, and Arrowing down what ever Web page I might be on.  

Go too fast and 9.1 goes quiet.  Sometimes for up to 30 or 40 seconds,
and sometimes for good.  till you restart Win eyes.  


-- 
Dave 

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RE: SMA or free version

[Chip Orange via Talk]

No, I am told you must go through a length "ok" and setup process, and it
won't happen right away.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 1:00 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

If you have YourWindows7 SetTo AutoMatically DownLoad UpDates will it 
DownLoad Windows10 for you WithOut YourConsent  since you already 
have YourUpDates SetTo automatically download

JustWondering
At 09:03 PM 7/29/2015, you wrote:
>Actually the machine that I am running on is running a full copy of office
>as I got my dell with the office 2013 pro bundle on board when I customized
>my dell. Also my surface 3 which I got this evening already had windows 10
>installed so I am wondering when AI squared and gw are you guys going to
>support touch your competitors do so I am going to be running the
>competition on the two touch device and on my non touch devices just run
>windo eyes.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Bryan Peterson [mailto:bpeterson2...@cableone.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:52 PM
>To: gary melconian ; dlh...@centurylink.net;
>'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'john s'
>
>Subject: Re: SMA or free version
>
>Except for the part that the Office that comes on the machine is usually a
>demo. There maybe exceptions to that but that's been my experience usualy.
>
>
>
>Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
>-Original Message-
>From: gary melconian via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:45 PM
>To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'john s'
>Subject: RE: SMA or free version
>
>I don't think so they cut off the folks who wer on the payment plan  for
the
>free version to cut those costs . thats how I see it. I know a few friends
>of mine who wer in this situation. So I don't think that the office
approach
>is a wrong thing.it gives folks the opportunity to own both what's wrong
>about that one. If you're a payin customer of fs and you want to try out gw
>you have that  choice wwithout having to invest in the full copy.  Almost
>every machine now a days comes with some version of office, so that excuse
>that you don't have office does not fly.
>
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RE: SMA or free version

[Chip Orange via Talk]

No Gary is just plain incorrect there ... no machine I've ever found comes
with a full working copy of Office; it's always a limitted demo (how would
MS survive giving it's flagship product away for free?).

I suppose there are retailers who will include it in their bundled price,
but if you do some price comparisons you'll see they're charging you for it.

Chip


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:02 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: SMA or free version

Sorry, that's not necessarily so.  I didn't have any form of office on my 
computer when I bought it from Dell.  I figured I might try outlook, so I 
called them and asked them to send me office.  When I got it, it turns out 
that they sold me a student edition, with no outlook in it.  But I didn't 
know there was no office in this computer until I went to view some of my 
documents that were on the old hard drive that I got the guy to put in from 
the old computer.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: gary melconian via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:45 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'john s'
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

I don't think so they cut off the folks who wer on the payment plan  for the
free version to cut those costs . thats how I see it. I know a few friends
of mine who wer in this situation. So I don't think that the office approach
is a wrong thing.it gives folks the opportunity to own both what's wrong
about that one. If you're a payin customer of fs and you want to try out gw
you have that  choice wwithout having to invest in the full copy.  Almost
every machine now a days comes with some version of office, so that excuse
that you don't have office does not fly.

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RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Hi Robin,

I am absolutely sure we are not guaranteed life-time versions of
Window-Eyes, but all you have to do is to go read the terms of agreement at
the special web site.

As for the other point, MS does not guarantee life time support either; but
just try calling that number and asking them any serious Window-Eyes
question pertaining to Window-Eyes?.  I'm sure they know Windows fairly well
(well enough?), but I am also sure they aren't trained in Window-Eyes.

Chip


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:44 AM
To: Keith Hinton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Not necessarily users, as I understand it were guaranteed LifeTime 
versions of WindowEyes

And, OfficeUsers of WindowEyes can obtain support from Microsoft

InTheForm of its Accessibility TelePhone Number for People with disabilities

At 04:56 PM 7/29/2015, you wrote:
>I don't know if CHip already covered this, but he was talking about
>Microsoft who has the power to close any dealings with anybody they
>wish. Fact is, while this partnership may be around for years to come,
>we don't know what will happen in the future. If it ever whent away,
>you'd all have to save up and buy Window-Eyes anyways.
>
>On 7/29/15, Keith Hinton  wrote:
> > Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou.
> > 1.
> > Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other
> > major corporations out there.
> > One on one personal service.
> > In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my
> > clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they
> > might need from me.
> > So if they don't know how something works, well there you go.
> > I believe in  the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given.
> > So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed
> > income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so
> > that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several
> > reasons.
> > 1. I'll get all the voices I want.
> > 2.
> > I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free
> > unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to
> > Window-Eyes.
> > 3.
> > Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help
> > actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent
> > upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office
> > on all machines.
> > There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual
> > machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do
> > that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times.
> > Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal
> > or not, I don't have Office installed.
> > And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that
> > Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately.
> > I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an
> > investment.
> > Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with
> > the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of
> > cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you
> > from the other end of the spectrum.
> > I'm lucky that I haven't needed  to pay for support because I can't
> > presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For
> > Office at all.
> > I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it
> > from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on.
> > So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker.
> > Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to
> > me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA.
> > I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick.
> > DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it
back?
> > Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online?
> > Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it.
> > So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch.
> > I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay
> > for them when you've had to.
> > Talk to you all soon!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith
> >
> > On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk  wrote:
> >> Hi Robin,
> >>
> >> If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would
really
> >> need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and
> >> I've
> >> seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't
> >> working, or wasn't working with the program they needed).  I also
suspect
> >> your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some
new
> >> program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer.
> >>
> >> As for the syn

Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Was RE: further impression of Windows 10

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi,

Just to be clear, if you get a new PC pre-installed with Windows 10, you'll
need a full installer of Window-Eyes 9.2, either from a DVD or a download
which the AI Squared staff can provide all owners of the retail version of
Window-Eyes, as they did for me.
Of course, for the users of Window-Eyes for Office, this would be available
on:

http://windoweyesforoffice.com.

hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:45 AM
To: Matthew Chao; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10

Hi,
You need 9.2 installed before upgrading to Windows 10.  If any version of
Window-eyes prior to 9.2 is installed, Windows 10 will not install.
Chris



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Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:38 AM
To: Josh Rivera ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10

Only one problem:  what if you don't have the Window-Eyes 9.2 installation
CD?  You can't install 9.1 first, then upgrade, can you?--Matthew Chao

At 10:18 AM 7/30/2015 -0400, you wrote:
>I seem to remember that Doug advised not to install WE-9.2 until first 
>installing Win-10. Then go ahead, and install 9.2.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>Behalf Of Don H via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:58 PM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: further impression of Windows 10
>
>OK so I installed Windows 10 over a Windows 8.1 system.  The install 
>went well and all programs worked after the install.  Thunderbird works 
>fine Crome works fine and WE came up talking.
>Biggest issues is being very sluggish when it comes to file manager or 
>when trying to use the up and down arrows to work through a list.  This 
>sluggishness is to the point of making file manager useless as it make 
>take several seconds after you press the down or up arrows before WE talks.
>Unless I am missing something I understood that the Windows 7 style of 
>start menu was part of Windows 10.  Unless there some way to change it 
>it isn't even close to being a Windows 7 start menu.  Unless there is a 
>fix for the sluggishness I would recommend thinking twice before 
>upgrading to Windows 10.
>If I am again missing something and there is a easy fix please pass it 
>along and I will gladly retract my negative report.
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RE: windows 10

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

Windows enter should start narrator.
You can also open the run dialog type narrator and press enter
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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:27 AM
To: 'Matthew Chao' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
; 'Chris Grabowski' 
Subject: RE: windows 10

Under win7 it is Windows-U, then tab twice and press enter...

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om] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:54 PM
To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: windows 10

Hi, Chris.  Will most of the programs installed still be there after the
upgrade?

Also, noticed under Windows 7 that Windows Enter does not bring up Narrator.
Is there another hotkey for this?  Thanks.--Matthew Chao

At 01:06 PM 7/29/2015 +, you wrote:
>There will be  a time during the install where you'll need to use Narrator.
>
>After the system reboots  just wait, say 20 minutes or longer.
>If you don't get speech, press windows-enter to load narrator.
>Use narrator to continue the setup process.
>
>When you are at the desktop Window-eyes may load or it may not.  
>Yesterday on my tablet it didn't load.  I had to load it manually.
>Fortunately I had narrator still giving me assistance.
>Once Window-eyes was running, I pressed windows-enter to turn off narrator.
>
>Chris
>
>
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>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:21 AM
>To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>Subject: windows 10
>
>Heard windows 10 is a free download for a year, so after the download 
>do you just run it like anyother download and as long as
>we9.2 is installed you will hear what is going on? When I do it I will 
>be updating from windows 8.1.
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FW: SMA or free version

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Ooops, forgot to send this on to the list.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange [mailto:chip.ora...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:16 AM
To: 'dlh...@centurylink.net'
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

Hi Dave,

I believe normally 9.2 would have been a free "bug fix" update as you say,
however, they had to stop and add considerably new capability to the product
(working with Windows 10), due to MS's schedule.  This may not benefit you
today, but then again, you may decide to take MS up on its free Windows 10
offer, and then it will.  In the normal scheme of things, that would have
been a separate update as I say, but it was needed right now.

Chip
  

-Original Message-
From: dlh...@centurylink.net [mailto:dlh...@centurylink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:48 PM
To: Chip Orange
Subject: Re: SMA or free version

Hi chip,

Sorry, about the no name thing.  Wasn't trying to hide.  

Actually, I did get bit by the 9.2 being a Paid update, rather than a free
one.  And since I did buy the 9.1 for $175 plus shipping, I am a bit ticked
about having to fork over another $50, 3 or 4 months later,  for an update
that is for the most part fixing bugs that never should have
been in 9.0 or 9.1.   

And even now, I am not sure the problems 9.1 has with some Web Content have
been fixed.  Guess I'll wait to see if others are still finding 9.2 going
silent, or failing and needing to be restarted, or the system re booted.  

Dave Heilman




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RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Yes, exactly the possibility I was trying to mention.  I just saw a report 
which said that now, Windows is only 1 in 7 of the operating systems in use.  
MS may have created this Office program with Window-Eyes to try and get more 
Office users, and just like it suddenly appeared, it may indeed suddenly 
disappear (who knows), but anyone giving you something for free is nothing you 
should count on.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Keith Hinton [mailto:keithint1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:56 PM
To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

I don't know if CHip already covered this, but he was talking about
Microsoft who has the power to close any dealings with anybody they
wish. Fact is, while this partnership may be around for years to come,
we don't know what will happen in the future. If it ever whent away,
you'd all have to save up and buy Window-Eyes anyways.

On 7/29/15, Keith Hinton  wrote:
> Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou.
> 1.
> Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other
> major corporations out there.
> One on one personal service.
> In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my
> clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they
> might need from me.
> So if they don't know how something works, well there you go.
> I believe in  the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given.
> So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed
> income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so
> that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several
> reasons.
> 1. I'll get all the voices I want.
> 2.
> I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free
> unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to
> Window-Eyes.
> 3.
> Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help
> actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent
> upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office
> on all machines.
> There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual
> machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do
> that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times.
> Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal
> or not, I don't have Office installed.
> And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that
> Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately.
> I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an
> investment.
> Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with
> the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of
> cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you
> from the other end of the spectrum.
> I'm lucky that I haven't needed  to pay for support because I can't
> presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For
> Office at all.
> I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it
> from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on.
> So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker.
> Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to
> me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA.
> I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick.
> DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back?
> Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online?
> Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it.
> So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch.
> I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay
> for them when you've had to.
> Talk to you all soon!
>
> Regards,
> Keith
>
> On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk  wrote:
>> Hi Robin,
>>
>> If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really
>> need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and
>> I've
>> seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't
>> working, or wasn't working with the program they needed).  I also suspect
>> your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new
>> program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer.
>>
>> As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high
>> quality"
>> one.  You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to
>> year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the
>> free
>> one) would no longer work.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Opinion on moving

RE: first impressions of Win 10

[Bill Belew via Talk]

I haven't installed Windows 10 yet, but I do find Window-Eyes 9.2 much
faster and more responsive.  
I can't help noticing that it's the same group of 20 or 30 users that seem
to have all the problems.  There are thousands of things that can cause
computer problems.  

Bill

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+bill=mind@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Rivera via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 7:23 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: first impressions of Win 10

I believe that since we, who own Win-7 or 8, have a year to do the free
upgrade to version 10, then it is prudent to wait for the buggs to get
worked out. I don't even think we should install WE-9.2 until deciding to
install Win-10. This sluggishness of 9.2 is quite disconcerting. Smile


 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:23 AM
To: 'manny'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: first impressions of Win 10

I totally agree. I'm having to use the shark for now, until that is
resolved.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of manny via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:36 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: first impressions of Win 10

Hi,
I have a dual boot with windows 10 and windows 7 and I agree that WE9.2 is
sluggish, more so, in windows 10.
Also, if you are too fast, I find that WE9.2 crashes easily.

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
computer specifications: Window Eyes 8.4, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
premium, with dual boot to windows 8.1, with start8 from: 
www.stardock.com with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad core drivers and software
updated software recommended: Firefox, Thunderbird, security: 
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, On
7/29/2015 11:30 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Have Windows 10 installed on my HP laptop running a I7 processor with
> 8 Gigs of RAM.
> Am finding WE response lagging in file explorer.  If you use the arrow 
> keys to go through the list of files and folders using the arrow keys 
> there is much more lag that there was in Windows 8.1. Anyone else have 
> this issue?  Is there any settings that can be changed to resolve this 
> issue?
> Thanks
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Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

It says it's 175 for me whenI check the price on the web site. Then again I 
am running 8.4 so perhaps that has something to do with it.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 6:34 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

This  is the upgrade price if you already own a current version of WE and
don't have a SMA.
- Original Message - 
From: "Darrell Bowles via Talk" 

To: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" ; "Window-Eyes
DiscussionList" 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2



So I can get a full copy of Window-Eyes for $49?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk 
 wrote:


$49 is all?  Wow!  That is not! half bad!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 

To: ; "Window-EyesDiscussion List" 


Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:58 AM
Subject: RE: WINDOW-EYES 9.2


If you do not have an active SMA the cost is $49.  If you do have an SMA 
the upgrade is free and does not count against your SMA.


Chris

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:00 AM
To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 


Subject: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

Hello Everyone:

I'm behind on mail.  Could someone please advice:  Is Window-Eyes 9.2 a 
free
or paid upgrade?  If free, I can't seem to download it when the CHECK 
FOR
UPDATE dialogue window pops up.  I keep hearing "progressing, 
progressing"

endlessly and finally a time out.  What gives?

If a paid upgrade, just how much does it cost?

Gracious thanks for all help!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: further impression of Windows 10

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
You need 9.2 installed before upgrading to Windows 10.  If any version of 
Window-eyes prior to 9.2 is installed, Windows 10 will not install.
Chris



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:38 AM
To: Josh Rivera ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10

Only one problem:  what if you don't have the Window-Eyes 9.2 
installation CD?  You can't install 9.1 first, then upgrade, can 
you?--Matthew Chao

At 10:18 AM 7/30/2015 -0400, you wrote:
>I seem to remember that Doug advised not to install WE-9.2 until first
>installing Win-10. Then go ahead, and install 9.2.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>Behalf Of Don H via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:58 PM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: further impression of Windows 10
>
>OK so I installed Windows 10 over a Windows 8.1 system.  The install
>went well and all programs worked after the install.  Thunderbird works
>fine Crome works fine and WE came up talking.
>Biggest issues is being very sluggish when it comes to file manager or
>when trying to use the up and down arrows to work through a list.  This
>sluggishness is to the point of making file manager useless as it make
>take several seconds after you press the down or up arrows before WE talks.
>Unless I am missing something I understood that the Windows 7 style of
>start menu was part of Windows 10.  Unless there some way to change it
>it isn't even close to being a Windows 7 start menu.  Unless there is a
>fix for the sluggishness I would recommend thinking twice before
>upgrading to Windows 10.
>If I am again missing something and there is a easy fix please pass it
>along and I will gladly retract my negative report.
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RE: further impression of Windows 10

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Only one problem:  what if you don't have the Window-Eyes 9.2 
installation CD?  You can't install 9.1 first, then upgrade, can 
you?--Matthew Chao


At 10:18 AM 7/30/2015 -0400, you wrote:

I seem to remember that Doug advised not to install WE-9.2 until first
installing Win-10. Then go ahead, and install 9.2.



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[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: further impression of Windows 10

OK so I installed Windows 10 over a Windows 8.1 system.  The install
went well and all programs worked after the install.  Thunderbird works
fine Crome works fine and WE came up talking.
Biggest issues is being very sluggish when it comes to file manager or
when trying to use the up and down arrows to work through a list.  This
sluggishness is to the point of making file manager useless as it make
take several seconds after you press the down or up arrows before WE talks.
Unless I am missing something I understood that the Windows 7 style of
start menu was part of Windows 10.  Unless there some way to change it
it isn't even close to being a Windows 7 start menu.  Unless there is a
fix for the sluggishness I would recommend thinking twice before
upgrading to Windows 10.
If I am again missing something and there is a easy fix please pass it
along and I will gladly retract my negative report.
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RE: first impressions of Win 10

[Josh Rivera via Talk]

I believe that since we, who own Win-7 or 8, have a year to do the free
upgrade to version 10, then it is prudent to wait for the buggs to get
worked out. I don't even think we should install WE-9.2 until deciding to
install Win-10. This sluggishness of 9.2 is quite disconcerting. Smile


 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:23 AM
To: 'manny'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: first impressions of Win 10

I totally agree. I'm having to use the shark for now, until that is
resolved.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of manny via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:36 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: first impressions of Win 10

Hi,
I have a dual boot with windows 10 and windows 7 and I agree that WE9.2 is
sluggish, more so, in windows 10.
Also, if you are too fast, I find that WE9.2 crashes easily.

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
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computer specifications: Window Eyes 8.4, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
premium, with dual boot to windows 8.1, with start8 from: 
www.stardock.com with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad core drivers and software
updated software recommended: Firefox, Thunderbird, security: 
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, On
7/29/2015 11:30 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Have Windows 10 installed on my HP laptop running a I7 processor with
> 8 Gigs of RAM.
> Am finding WE response lagging in file explorer.  If you use the arrow 
> keys to go through the list of files and folders using the arrow keys 
> there is much more lag that there was in Windows 8.1. Anyone else have 
> this issue?  Is there any settings that can be changed to resolve this 
> issue?
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RE: further impression of Windows 10

[Josh Rivera via Talk]

I seem to remember that Doug advised not to install WE-9.2 until first
installing Win-10. Then go ahead, and install 9.2.


 
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: further impression of Windows 10

OK so I installed Windows 10 over a Windows 8.1 system.  The install 
went well and all programs worked after the install.  Thunderbird works 
fine Crome works fine and WE came up talking.
Biggest issues is being very sluggish when it comes to file manager or 
when trying to use the up and down arrows to work through a list.  This 
sluggishness is to the point of making file manager useless as it make 
take several seconds after you press the down or up arrows before WE talks.
Unless I am missing something I understood that the Windows 7 style of 
start menu was part of Windows 10.  Unless there some way to change it 
it isn't even close to being a Windows 7 start menu.  Unless there is a 
fix for the sluggishness I would recommend thinking twice before 
upgrading to Windows 10.
If I am again missing something and there is a easy fix please pass it 
along and I will gladly retract my negative report.
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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

They can charge your card on the phone or online.

-Original Message- 
From: Keith Hinton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:36 PM
To: Chip Orange ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou.
1.
Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other
major corporations out there.
One on one personal service.
In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my
clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they
might need from me.
So if they don't know how something works, well there you go.
I believe in  the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given.
So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed
income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so
that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several
reasons.
1. I'll get all the voices I want.
2.
I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free
unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to
Window-Eyes.
3.
Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help
actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent
upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office
on all machines.
There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual
machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do
that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times.
Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal
or not, I don't have Office installed.
And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that
Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately.
I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an 
investment.

Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with
the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of
cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you
from the other end of the spectrum.
I'm lucky that I haven't needed  to pay for support because I can't
presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For
Office at all.
I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it
from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on.
So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker.
Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to
me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA.
I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick.
DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back?
Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online?
Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it.
So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch.
I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay
for them when you've had to.
Talk to you all soon!

Regards,
Keith

On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk  wrote:

Hi Robin,

If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really
need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and 
I've

seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't
working, or wasn't working with the program they needed).  I also suspect
your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new
program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer.

As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any "high
quality"
one.  You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to
year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the 
free

one) would no longer work.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to
the
free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech support was 
a

big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me
to
consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the
switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I currently use the Dectalk
voice
in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to.

Opinions?


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RE: downloading windows 10

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
Doug did mention on this list Monday that if upgrading from Windows 7 to 
Windows 10, you'd need to reinstall 9.2 to fix the video display issue as 7 
uses a mirror driver and 8/10 use an accessibility driver.
The best way is to rerun the we92upgrade.exe file.
This is located in your %temp% folder or you can just select help/check for 
updates.
Chris


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:24 PM
To: Chris Skarstad 
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

Hi. Well, no sighted assistance required, but there is a major flaw!!!
Hey you guys at AI-Squared, should have looked at this if you could have
in some way, warned us or let us know..
When the upgrade is finished, all of the video drivers are not properly
working for any screen reader. Surprised that MicroSoft didn't warn us?
When all the activity finally did finish and I had to listen carefully
to be sure no disc drive was spinning, I pressed enter, and lo and
behold, my old sound schemes still worked, and here comes window-eyes
9.2.1.0. Elated, I was, until I tried reading here in Becky! mail, and
"no edit box," or, window-eyes said "vertical edit."
so now, what? I thought I'd bring up NVDA, with similar result, so I
brought up JFW 16 which says "video driver is not properly installed.
Run the jaws . . . etc.
That told me to re-run the window-eyes update from the web site, and
after I changed my default browser as per instructions thoughtfully
provided in the 9.2 read me, I downloaded and re-installed.
When I rebooted, it took quite some time for Window-eyes to start, but
when it did, and I brought up Becky! mail, all edit boxes read as they
did with my windows 7 pro 64 install.
It appears I will need to re-install those other 2 screen readers as
well.
-- 
Curtis Delzer 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:51:25 -0400
Chris Skarstad  wrote:

> This is cool.  Is there any sighted assistance involved in installing  
> Windows 10? Or is it just a case of waiting for the system to reboot?  
> Interestingly enough, I checked on the compadibility of Windows 10 for my 
> machine, and one of the programs it said I had to uninstall before the 
> upgrade was Window-eyes, synthesizer authorization, that's dec-talk access 32 
> for Window-eyes, and NVDA.  I was under the impression that all of these 
> programs were compadible with Windows 10?  So if I were to do the upgrade, 
> are there any caveots?  It'd really be helpful so I know what I'm up against 
> before i get started.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/29/2015 3:12 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> > At 12:01 local "Pacific" time I began the update to Windows 10.
> >
> > Easy, peezy.

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Reminder for Today's Free Training Webinar: Strategies for navigating and interacting with complex web pages using Window-Eyes – Part 3

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

This message serves as your friendly reminder that today's free training 
webinar will begin promptly at 2 PM EDT. All of the details you will need to 
participate can be found below.

Many if not all of the financial, shopping, educational and work related tasks 
we need to complete in our daily lives can now be performed online. Therefore, 
having the skills to successfully access modern and dynamic web pages will be 
an essential part of being able to fully participate in society. To help our 
customers achieve this goal, Ai Squared has been presenting a series of free 
online trainings focused on navigating and interacting with complex web pages 
using Window-Eyes.

In part three of the series, tips and strategies will be provided for 
downloading various types of files from web pages. Demonstrations of real world 
tasks on popular websites such as Adobe.com, IRS.gov and Ninite.com will be 
used to help reinforce key Window-Eyes features and web browser concepts. 
Internet Explorer and Firefox will both be used to help highlight the 
similarities and differences in the download experience.

Whether you are a seasoned veteran, or a beginner to Window-Eyes, our hope is 
that Ai Squared’s online training webinars will enhance your Window-Eyes skill 
set and provide you with the helpful information you need to be more productive 
and successful on your computer.

The training webinar will take place on Thursday, July 30th, 2015 at 2 P.M. 
Eastern Time (19:00 UTC or 18:00 UTC during DST) and will last approximately 
one hour in length.
To access the webinar, go to http://www.aisquared.com/meeting. Your username 
will be your first and last name. The password field should be left blank. You 
do not have to register for the training. Please arrive early as there is a 
limited amount of participants for each webinar, and access to the meeting room 
is based on a first-come, first-served basis.

There will be a corresponding study guide worksheet and answer key made 
available prior to the webinar that participants can download from the webinar 
training archive.
Please review Knowledge Base Article 2056 to learn more about participating in 
a Window-Eyes Webinar with Talking Communities. If you need help accessing the 
meeting room, please call Talking Communities support at (262) 456-5911 or 
visit their support webpage at http://www.talkingcommunities.com/support.html. 

The webinar will be recorded and made available for download from the Ai 
Squared webinar training archive currently located at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/webinars.

If you have specific questions regarding this online training webinar or have 
suggestions for future webinar topics, please contact Marc Solomon via email at 
msolomon at aisquared dot com.

Kind Regards,
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weli.exe stop working

[Brice Mijares via Talk]

Chris, ever since installing wineyes 9.2 I've receive a message as the 
system boots that Micro soft weli.exe has stop working. How do I go about 
solving this problem? thanks. 


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Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

[Loy via Talk]

This  is the upgrade price if you already own a current version of WE and 
don't have a SMA.
- Original Message - 
From: "Darrell Bowles via Talk" 
To: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" ; "Window-Eyes 
DiscussionList" 

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2



So I can get a full copy of Window-Eyes for $49?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk 
 wrote:


$49 is all?  Wow!  That is not! half bad!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 

To: ; "Window-EyesDiscussion List" 


Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:58 AM
Subject: RE: WINDOW-EYES 9.2


If you do not have an active SMA the cost is $49.  If you do have an SMA 
the upgrade is free and does not count against your SMA.


Chris

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:00 AM
To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 


Subject: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

Hello Everyone:

I'm behind on mail.  Could someone please advice:  Is Window-Eyes 9.2 a 
free
or paid upgrade?  If free, I can't seem to download it when the CHECK 
FOR
UPDATE dialogue window pops up.  I keep hearing "progressing, 
progressing"

endlessly and finally a time out.  What gives?

If a paid upgrade, just how much does it cost?

Gracious thanks for all help!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

So I can get a full copy of Window-Eyes for $49?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> $49 is all?  Wow!  That is not! half bad!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 
> 
> To: ; "Window-EyesDiscussion List" 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:58 AM
> Subject: RE: WINDOW-EYES 9.2
> 
> 
>> If you do not have an active SMA the cost is $49.  If you do have an SMA the 
>> upgrade is free and does not count against your SMA.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:00 AM
>> To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> 
>> Subject: WINDOW-EYES 9.2
>> 
>> Hello Everyone:
>> 
>> I'm behind on mail.  Could someone please advice:  Is Window-Eyes 9.2 a free
>> or paid upgrade?  If free, I can't seem to download it when the CHECK FOR
>> UPDATE dialogue window pops up.  I keep hearing "progressing, progressing"
>> endlessly and finally a time out.  What gives?
>> 
>> If a paid upgrade, just how much does it cost?
>> 
>> Gracious thanks for all help!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
>> 
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Re: I'm encountering a couple of issues with Window-Eyes and Windows10.

[tchild via Talk]

Did everyone forget that YOU NEVER get Microsofts newest OS till it's been 
on the market for a while and some of the buggs are ironed ;ou...


-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:56 PM
To: Kevin Minor ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I'm encountering a couple of issues with Window-Eyes and 
Windows10.


The problem with Win eyes responding quickly to a Down Arrow, is
something I experince in Window Exporer in Win 7, as well as when using
Any Browser, and Arrowing down what ever Web page I might be on.

Go too fast and 9.1 goes quiet.  Sometimes for up to 30 or 40 seconds,
and sometimes for good.  till you restart Win eyes.


--
Dave 

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9.2, not reading full lines

[john s via Talk]

I have installed version 9.2 and it isn't reading full lines, such as 
complete file names, lines on a web page or the settings in the WE 
control panel.  For example, in the control panel, WE will read hot 
instead of hot key.  What do I need to change to fix this.  I'm using 
a triple talk pci synth and Windows 7 professional.  Also, 
ctrl-shift-t no longer gives me the state of a window, just the first 
part of the title.



John

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RE: SMA or free version

[Gary Melconian via Talk]

When I got it was $39 and it was through some kind of promotion

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On Jul 30, 2015, 3:40 AM, at 3:40 AM, Chris Grabowski 
 wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Actually the Vocalizer Expressive package for the English language is
>$59.00 USD.  Eloquence is $39 and Dectalk is $25.
>
>Chris
>
>
>Window-Eyes Product Support
>Ai Squared
>725 Airport North Office Park
>Fort Wayne, IN 46825
>(802) 362-3612
>www.aisquared.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>Behalf Of gary melconian via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:35 PM
>To: 'Chip Orange' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
>List' ; dlh...@centurylink.net
>Subject: RE: SMA or free version
>
>Your wrong. You can by the e ovices , you canbbuy both eloquence nad
>vocalizer. I don't recal lteh cost of eloquence but I do recall its $39
>for the vocalizer package. Support iti think you can pay for . So
>overall you can do it how ever you need to.  In the work setting you
>have support for the IT guys.  I don't know but for what I need ot do.
>I always have my laptop in the work seting separate for the work
>network and I have special credientils to log into my corporate
>network. That's how I solve that one.  
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:35 PM
>To: dlh...@centurylink.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>
>Subject: RE: SMA or free version
>
>Hi Whoever (there's no name),
>
>Yes, they obviously get a small payment from Microsoft for offering the
>"free" Window-Eyes; however, as I said separately, you do not get any
>support, and I believe, you do not get any "high quality" synthesizer. 
>Both of these are really worth it alone.
>
>As for SMA: did you realize if you had had an SMA when 9.2 was
>released, you would get it for free and not use up your SMA?  This is
>just one good reason for buying an SMA; the company offers you free
>upgrades when others pay, and you don't always use your SMA.  When you
>do, it costs less than paying for the upgrade, and you know at the time
>you buy the SMA how much it is costing and whether you have the money. 
>Otherwise, in a year or two, there could be a major upgrade which costs
>much more than you expected and you may not have the money readily
>available.  Also, if an employer or institution is purchasing WE for
>you, it's often easier to get them to include an SMA rather than to
>purchase the upgrade later (a colleague of mine just went through this
>at work).
>
>Chip
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:18 PM
>To: john s; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: Re: SMA or free version
>
>I have never understood the thinking behind the Free version of Window
>Eyes for those using MS Office.  
>
>I have had the sense that GW Micro was running short of Cash flow  the
>last few years, and was looking to do something to keep the business
>going.  I hope I am incorrect about this, but this is my sense about GW
>Micro's last three or four years.  
>
>
>Unless they get some sort of payment from Microsoft, I can't see where
>it benefits GW Micro, now A I Squared, to have a Free edition.Seems
>like that would take away from the Bottom Line, rather than add to it. 
>
>
>but, Hey, A Company can do what it wishes.What do I know.  
>
>
>
>I've been a Paying customer since the DOS days with Vocal eyes, and
>have bought every Upgrade as it came along.  
>
>I have not understood the SMA thing either, because here again, the
>only reason why I can think of to even have such a system, is to obtain
>much needed cash flow.  Although, all that is happening, is that the
>Company
>is borrowing from its Customers.This is not Smart.   Sure, Sure, it
>is marketed in such a way, that it sounds like it is the Customer who
>benefits the most. Sure, you get a slight discount for purchasing
>ahead, but the Company that borrows from its customers, end up with
>less when they release a new edition.  
>
>I don't know what the best answer is when operating a Company such as a
>Screen Reader manufacturer.the idea is to sell product, to make a
>profit large enough to pay for Research and Development, and to make
>the owners and Employees happy enough to keep doing what they are
>doing.  
>
>It is a very limited market, as only the seriously blind are likely to
>need such a program, and most seriously Blind are also seriously
>limited when it comes to buying items that are expensive.  
>
>
>I am sure trying to keep up with every new Operating System from
>Microsoft is no easy task.  And the Web has to be an absolute nightmare
>when it comes to attempting to make a screen reader work with what is
>likely to be found on web sites put up by all kinds of people, all
>around the World.  
>
>I feel sorry

RE: downloading windows 10

[Michael Massey via Talk]

Chris.  I am in the same situation as I am sure many of us who have reserved
a copy of Windows 10.  Yes, indeed, Microsoft is rolling out Windows 10 in
waves so as not to overload their servers.  In other words, this is one of
those situations where we'll have to wait to be notified.  Microsoft says
customers
 will be notified when Windows 10 is ready.  I haven't yet checked for the
links you mentioned such as get started, let's go, etc. etc.  I have a
feeling that the steps for installation will be easy to follow once Windows
10 is ready to install.  Microsoft mentions in the various faqs and other
information on the page where you reserved Windows 10 that it will be
downloaded in the background, and that when it is ready to install that
we'll be notified.  Nobody'll be left out, smile.  I haven't gotten an
e-mail either, but I am sure that I will.  Once I send this e-mail, I'm
going to check for the links you mentioned.

Mike M. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 3:56 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: downloading windows 10

So, how do you go about starting the update?  I haven't got an e-mail 
stating it's ready for me to install, and yes, I did reserve a copy back in 
the days.

The icon says I'll be notified, in the system tray, but I see links like get

started, let's go, reboot now, continue, etc.

Is it just that they are rolling it out little by little, or by now, should 
I have access to it?

If so, then someone needs to give me the exact steps to start it installing.

I know the whole thing about removing W E first, etc.  That's no issue.  I 
have NVDA as a backup, as well as jaws, so it's not the end of the world for

me.  Plus, there's always Narrator, so I'm not in a pickle.

I'm quite savvy with my technology, so if you can just give me the steps, I 
know beyond a doubt I can figure it out.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Curtis Delzer via Talk" 
To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:12 AM
Subject: downloading windows 10


> At 12:01 local "Pacific" time I began the update to Windows 10.
>
> Easy, peezy.
> -- 
> Curtis Delzer 
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RE: SMA or free version

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,

Actually the Vocalizer Expressive package for the English language is $59.00 
USD.  Eloquence is $39 and Dectalk is $25.

Chris


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Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of gary melconian via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:35 PM
To: 'Chip Orange' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
; dlh...@centurylink.net
Subject: RE: SMA or free version

Your wrong. You can by the e ovices , you canbbuy both eloquence nad vocalizer. 
I don't recal lteh cost of eloquence but I do recall its $39 for the vocalizer 
package. Support iti think you can pay for . So overall you can do it how ever 
you need to.  In the work setting you have support for the IT guys.  I don't 
know but for what I need ot do. I always have my laptop in the work seting 
separate for the work network and I have special credientils to log into my 
corporate network. That's how I solve that one.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:35 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: SMA or free version

Hi Whoever (there's no name),

Yes, they obviously get a small payment from Microsoft for offering the "free" 
Window-Eyes; however, as I said separately, you do not get any support, and I 
believe, you do not get any "high quality" synthesizer.  Both of these are 
really worth it alone.

As for SMA: did you realize if you had had an SMA when 9.2 was released, you 
would get it for free and not use up your SMA?  This is just one good reason 
for buying an SMA; the company offers you free upgrades when others pay, and 
you don't always use your SMA.  When you do, it costs less than paying for the 
upgrade, and you know at the time you buy the SMA how much it is costing and 
whether you have the money.  Otherwise, in a year or two, there could be a 
major upgrade which costs much more than you expected and you may not have the 
money readily available.  Also, if an employer or institution is purchasing WE 
for you, it's often easier to get them to include an SMA rather than to 
purchase the upgrade later (a colleague of mine just went through this at work).

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:18 PM
To: john s; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: SMA or free version

I have never understood the thinking behind the Free version of Window Eyes for 
those using MS Office.  

I have had the sense that GW Micro was running short of Cash flow  the last few 
years, and was looking to do something to keep the business going.  I hope I am 
incorrect about this, but this is my sense about GW Micro's last three or four 
years.  


Unless they get some sort of payment from Microsoft, I can't see where
it benefits GW Micro, now A I Squared, to have a Free edition.Seems
like that would take away from the Bottom Line, rather than add to it.  

but, Hey, A Company can do what it wishes.What do I know.  



I've been a Paying customer since the DOS days with Vocal eyes, and have bought 
every Upgrade as it came along.  

I have not understood the SMA thing either, because here again, the only reason 
why I can think of to even have such a system, is to obtain much needed cash 
flow.  Although, all that is happening, is that the Company
is borrowing from its Customers.This is not Smart.   Sure, Sure, it
is marketed in such a way, that it sounds like it is the Customer who benefits 
the most. Sure, you get a slight discount for purchasing ahead, but the Company 
that borrows from its customers, end up with less when they release a new 
edition.  

I don't know what the best answer is when operating a Company such as a
Screen Reader manufacturer.the idea is to sell product, to make a
profit large enough to pay for Research and Development, and to make the owners 
and Employees happy enough to keep doing what they are doing.  

It is a very limited market, as only the seriously blind are likely to need 
such a program, and most seriously Blind are also seriously limited when it 
comes to buying items that are expensive.  


I am sure trying to keep up with every new Operating System from Microsoft is 
no easy task.  And the Web has to be an absolute nightmare when it comes to 
attempting to make a screen reader work with what is likely to be found on web 
sites put up by all kinds of people, all around the World.  

I feel sorry for those guys in Development that have the chore of making a 
Screen Reader work with most everything found on the ever changing Web.  




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Re: Benefits of Windows 10

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Correct.  You have a year in which to take advantage of the free 
upgrade.--Matthew Chao.


At 08:47 PM 7/29/2015 -0700, you wrote:
I still have XP (believe it or not), but I heard a news item this 
morning to the effect that people who have Windows 7 and above will 
be allowed to upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.  I don't know if 
this is true or not, but people might be able to save some money 
here if this is real.  Anyone know for sure?

Kim Lingo

- Original Message - From: "Michael Reed via Talk" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:21 PM
Subject: Benefits of Windows 10



What are the benefits of upgrading to Windows 10  I am currently
running Windows 7 pro.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

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RE: I'm encountering a couple of issues with Window-Eyes and Windows 10.

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
To address the ascending tones issue, run the we92upgrade.exe file over itself.

Those tones mean the display driver isn't attached.


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Minor via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 10:48 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: I'm encountering a couple of issues with Window-Eyes and Windows 10.

Hi.

 

I was successfully able to install Windows 10.  It's a bit slow on this PC, but 
it's not too bad.  However, I have encountered some problems with Window-Eyes 
9.2, and I'd like some help solving them.

 

First, when I opened Outlook 2013, Window-Eyes was very sluggish in responding 
to keyboard commands.  I'd hit the down arrow key to go to the next message, 
and Window-Eyes wouldn't respond for two seconds.

 

Now for the more serious problem.  I figured that rebooting the PC wouldn't 
hurt, so I did.  Window-Eyes loaded, but it gave the four descending tones 
indicating a driver wasn't working.  Rebooting the PC didn't fix this issue.
I understand that WE doesn't use the mirror driver with Windows 10, so I'm not 
sure what's happening.

 

I'd like some help solving these two issues.  I've been forced to use my other 
screen reader to do my work.  Anybody have ideas?  AI Squared will be getting a 
call from me tomorrow to solve this.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Windows 10 shortcuts Was RE: first impressions of Win 10

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Bob,

Here's a list of some Windows 10 shortcuts:

http://bit.ly/1JTjB8T

hth

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:51 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: first impressions of Win 10

Hi,

I successfully upgraded Windows 8.1 without any problem to Windows 10.  
Windows explorer seems a little slow, but that will probably improve in 
time.  Everything else works just as before.

I do have two questions.  Is the all apps button like the old all 
programs button?  And how do you start Cortana?

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

[Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk]

$49 is all?  Wow!  That is not! half bad!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Grabowski via Talk" 
To: ; "Window-EyesDiscussion List" 


Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:58 AM
Subject: RE: WINDOW-EYES 9.2


If you do not have an active SMA the cost is $49.  If you do have an SMA 
the upgrade is free and does not count against your SMA.


Chris

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:00 AM
To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 


Subject: WINDOW-EYES 9.2

Hello Everyone:

I'm behind on mail.  Could someone please advice:  Is Window-Eyes 9.2 a 
free

or paid upgrade?  If free, I can't seem to download it when the CHECK FOR
UPDATE dialogue window pops up.  I keep hearing "progressing, progressing"
endlessly and finally a time out.  What gives?

If a paid upgrade, just how much does it cost?

Gracious thanks for all help!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: downloading windows 10

[Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk]

So, how do you go about starting the update?  I haven't got an e-mail 
stating it's ready for me to install, and yes, I did reserve a copy back in 
the days.


The icon says I'll be notified, in the system tray, but I see links like get 
started, let's go, reboot now, continue, etc.


Is it just that they are rolling it out little by little, or by now, should 
I have access to it?


If so, then someone needs to give me the exact steps to start it installing. 
I know the whole thing about removing W E first, etc.  That's no issue.  I 
have NVDA as a backup, as well as jaws, so it's not the end of the world for 
me.  Plus, there's always Narrator, so I'm not in a pickle.


I'm quite savvy with my technology, so if you can just give me the steps, I 
know beyond a doubt I can figure it out.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Curtis Delzer via Talk" 

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:12 AM
Subject: downloading windows 10



At 12:01 local "Pacific" time I began the update to Windows 10.

Easy, peezy.
--
Curtis Delzer 

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RE: Windows 10 problem

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
If you hit your Windows key, Cortana is announced.
There is a search box.  You can confirm it by pressing control-shift-s.

I am seeing where sometimes the search box is announced while other times it 
isn't.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Windows 10 problem

When I hit the start button there is no edit box to do a search.  How are you 
supposed to do a search in Windows 10?
Thanks
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RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[gary melconian via Talk]

I have one question for you fo those who are payingdo you thin it was right
for Ai squared and gw to chargea $449 upgrade fee whe ntehe update was a
mnor one supportinga few thing especially wwindows 10, and the competiton
did not even charge for it and just said aas long as your on jaws 16 itsa
free updates. That's what ticks me off lately about eh business practices of
AI squared and if they go ddown this road tey will be considered as bad as
fs and not any different . So thee companies have to recognize the expensive
acces tech products are the way of he past, see even mac have build inscreen
reader and apple is one of he most profitable companies an they don't charge
for accessibility. If these companies must I would much rathe them go the
subscription mode in the long run whih wooudl not hurt development or gauge
the customer. Tahts almost what every acces product  whether that be on I
OS, Mac, Windows or even onleniux and Android are goin the way of re access
tech and if you want alternatives then you have htem but hey are low cost
one and not these ridiculous price gaguing ones . What have gained thin the
past few years ffrom gw they wer slow to adopt the web issues  and now they
are slow to adopt the touch wher aal windows and office products are going.
So I wonder this is why I don't thinking that AI and Gw are on the cutting
edge and have lost touch with whats innovative and cutting edge.  

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RE: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

In the end: purchasing is a commitment to the on-going development and
availability of Window-eyes.  The free offer with Office actually meanhs
that people are sponging off the rest of us.  If everyone decided not to
purchase, there would be no on-going development, no customer support, no
dedicated Window-eyes engineers etc etc - no Window-Eyes for Office.  Some
of us are very generous!  

My other dislike of the for office scheme is that those of us who have paid
for our Window-Eyes don't get much more than those us who have not paid for
it.  The current pricing for version 9.2, and the option of purchasing an
SMA, particularly under the upgrade scenario, is very affordable if people
budget for it.

There is no doubt that in the perfet world, full access to Windows should be
part of the operating system - but it isn't, and there are advantages in
people being able to choose from a range of products how we wish to access
Windows.  The objective of making Window-eyes more available to more people
through the office linkage is commendable, but I am not certain how it
secures the future of Window-Eyes.


I delayed purchasing 9.2 (which woul dhave been by way of a new SMA) for
various reasons not immediately relevant to the discussion, but I feel
something of a renewed confidence in Window-eyes and AI Squared, and so I've
invested in the upgrade and SMA.  So far - glad I have.

Vaughan.



Vaughan .



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vdodd=xtra.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2015 7:40 a.m.
To: mcommerf...@comcast.net; Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Exactly. You also don't have to pay for Eloquence, which while it isn't my
favorite synthesizer in terms of the actual speech is still just about the
fastest synthe I've ever used in terms of responsiveness, although the
Vocalizer voices are pretty good in that department as well.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message-
From: Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:36 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

Hi.  Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk.
Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the first
place.  For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support and the
delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count.  You also can get your
licensed upgrade quickly.  Ok, the servers got hammered at first but you've
had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few upgrades while you've
had your SMA.  I would rather have an agreement with GW/AI for my screen
reader.  MS has nothing to do with it this way.
  The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the initial
investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value decreases for
those of us who are working with the licensed full copy.

On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move 
> to the free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech 
> support was a big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a 
> big factor for me to consider in this switch, but I also want to know 
> if others who made the switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I 
> currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can 
> use that Eloquence voice if I have to.
>
> Opinions?
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Re: SMA or free version

[Gary Melconian via Talk]

I'm in  the same situation. The office  option works for me as   well.

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On Jul 30, 2015, 12:10 AM, at 12:10 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk 
 wrote:
>Throwing in my 2cents. It depends, i have only used we for office and
>my
>state agency wouln't buy me a screenreader since they bought me
>zoomtext
>and as much as i try i can't get a full grasp of nvda so we for office
>is
>great for me. I don't have a esp (zoomtext's version of a sma) and i
>don't
>have any tech support incidents purchased for we for office. I have
>only
>called ai2 for tech support twice for we and was not refused. The most
>recent of the two was a total meltdown  emergency tech support call
>lasting 3 and a half hours bouncing between ai2 VT and IN. All the
>synths
>i own are sapi5 ones i purchased or voices i have because of zoomtext
>so we
>for office not having high quality synths wasn't a big deal for me.  If
>you
>have the paid version of we with synths you like tied to it and think
>you
>may need tech support frequently i'd keep the pay version and renew the
>sma. If not we for office is the way to go for one computer office 365
>a
>monthly subscription is $7.50 and $10.50  for i believe 5 computers.
>
>Reeva
>
>On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Robin via Talk 
>wrote:
>
>> If you have YourWindows7 SetTo AutoMatically DownLoad UpDates will it
>> DownLoad Windows10 for you WithOut YourConsent  since you already
>have
>> YourUpDates SetTo automatically download
>>
>> JustWondering
>> At 09:03 PM 7/29/2015, you wrote:
>>
>>> Actually the machine that I am running on is running a full copy of
>office
>>> as I got my dell with the office 2013 pro bundle on board when I
>>> customized
>>> my dell. Also my surface 3 which I got this evening already had
>windows 10
>>> installed so I am wondering when AI squared and gw are you guys
>going to
>>> support touch your competitors do so I am going to be running the
>>> competition on the two touch device and on my non touch devices just
>run
>>> windo eyes.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Bryan Peterson [mailto:bpeterson2...@cableone.net]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:52 PM
>>> To: gary melconian ;
>dlh...@centurylink.net;
>>> 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'john s'
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: SMA or free version
>>>
>>> Except for the part that the Office that comes on the machine is
>usually a
>>> demo. There maybe exceptions to that but that's been my experience
>usualy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: gary melconian via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:45 PM
>>> To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'john
>s'
>>> Subject: RE: SMA or free version
>>>
>>> I don't think so they cut off the folks who wer on the payment plan 
>for
>>> the
>>> free version to cut those costs . thats how I see it. I know a few
>friends
>>> of mine who wer in this situation. So I don't think that the office
>>> approach
>>> is a wrong thing.it gives folks the opportunity to own both what's
>wrong
>>> about that one. If you're a payin customer of fs and you want to try
>out
>>> gw
>>> you have that  choice wwithout having to invest in the full copy. 
>Almost
>>> every machine now a days comes with some version of office, so that
>excuse
>>> that you don't have office does not fly.
>>>
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Re: SMA or free version

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Throwing in my 2cents. It depends, i have only used we for office and my
state agency wouln't buy me a screenreader since they bought me zoomtext
and as much as i try i can't get a full grasp of nvda so we for office is
great for me. I don't have a esp (zoomtext's version of a sma) and i don't
have any tech support incidents purchased for we for office. I have only
called ai2 for tech support twice for we and was not refused. The most
recent of the two was a total meltdown  emergency tech support call
 lasting 3 and a half hours bouncing between ai2 VT and IN. All the synths
i own are sapi5 ones i purchased or voices i have because of zoomtext so we
for office not having high quality synths wasn't a big deal for me.  If you
have the paid version of we with synths you like tied to it and think you
may need tech support frequently i'd keep the pay version and renew the
sma. If not we for office is the way to go for one computer office 365 a
monthly subscription is $7.50 and $10.50  for i believe 5 computers.

Reeva

On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Robin via Talk 
wrote:

> If you have YourWindows7 SetTo AutoMatically DownLoad UpDates will it
> DownLoad Windows10 for you WithOut YourConsent  since you already have
> YourUpDates SetTo automatically download
>
> JustWondering
> At 09:03 PM 7/29/2015, you wrote:
>
>> Actually the machine that I am running on is running a full copy of office
>> as I got my dell with the office 2013 pro bundle on board when I
>> customized
>> my dell. Also my surface 3 which I got this evening already had windows 10
>> installed so I am wondering when AI squared and gw are you guys going to
>> support touch your competitors do so I am going to be running the
>> competition on the two touch device and on my non touch devices just run
>> windo eyes.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bryan Peterson [mailto:bpeterson2...@cableone.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 4:52 PM
>> To: gary melconian ; dlh...@centurylink.net;
>> 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'john s'
>> 
>> Subject: Re: SMA or free version
>>
>> Except for the part that the Office that comes on the machine is usually a
>> demo. There maybe exceptions to that but that's been my experience usualy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: gary melconian via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:45 PM
>> To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'john s'
>> Subject: RE: SMA or free version
>>
>> I don't think so they cut off the folks who wer on the payment plan  for
>> the
>> free version to cut those costs . thats how I see it. I know a few friends
>> of mine who wer in this situation. So I don't think that the office
>> approach
>> is a wrong thing.it gives folks the opportunity to own both what's wrong
>> about that one. If you're a payin customer of fs and you want to try out
>> gw
>> you have that  choice wwithout having to invest in the full copy.  Almost
>> every machine now a days comes with some version of office, so that excuse
>> that you don't have office does not fly.
>>
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