Re: window-eyes, logon screen screen.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Curtis,

Actually, this is quite a difficult problem to solve, but, if you have a 
significant amount of courage and patience, you can certainly do it.
Here is a link to a GW micro support knowledge base article which details the 
procedure:

http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/?kbnumber=GWKB2012

Interestingly, it is nice to see that the knowledge base is still up and 
running. (Smile)

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 11, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk 
 wrote:

In windows ten which I run, window-eyes has it seems 2 "default" 
configurations, (1) at logon default? and (2) another default at the windows 
after logon.

I wish Window-Eyes to load my triple talk synth at the logon screen, and maybe 
eloquence after logon.

How to set that up?


Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
cur...@calweb.com

On 9/6/2020 3:35 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Hi Tom,

I am running Window-Eyes with build 2004 on both Windows 10 Home and Pro with 
no problems.
At one time, there were a number .of apps which cause errors and prevented 
Window-Eyes from even starting.
You can get Window-Eyes to start without apps running by starting Window-Eyes 
and then immediately holding down the Shift key and holding it down until it 
starts.
In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, there is an option called 
App Management.
If you then open App Management using right arrow, the first option is called 
App Status.
You can then press right arrow again and then one of three options wil always 
be checked, On, Off, or Manual.
Indeed, holding down the Shift key when you start Window-Eyes sets Apps to 
Manual.
Normally, it will be set to On, and once you disable whatever apps you think 
may be causing problems, you would set it to On.
A while back, the following apps caused me problems until I disabled them, 
although they don't seem to be doing so now.
Anyway, you could disable all of these, and Window-Eyes will work fine.
Eloquence Fix
Hotspot
JAWS quick key
WEDiag
Windows Enhanced

You would then just set your app status back to On and you should be good to go.
You should also probably shut down and then restart Window-Eyes.

Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Tom via Talk
Sent: September 4, 2020 2:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom 
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Rod,

Are you using Windows 10 Pro? In fact, for everybody who have WE 10 working 
with WE 9.5.4 wonder which version of Windows you are using.

I am using Windows 10 pro and could that be the difference?

Window-Eyef won't even load for me in 10, it displays four or five balloons it 
immediately shuts down. I don't even have a chance to turn off apps.

The tech who installed 9.5.4 for me was kind of baffled although he did do some 
kind work around but when he left the work around stopped going around, ha.

Tom

** Your Message **
 >Hi Tom,
 >
 >At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or 
 >uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
 >On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is no 
 >longer true.
 >Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
 >A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they 
 >had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
 >No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very 
 >surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes 
 >server.
 >I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update 
 >server was not active.
 >My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes 
 >working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
 >I am one of those who need it.

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have never seen DecTalk 32 sold by itself.  I only saw it come in Kurtweil 
and in window eyes as part of the program.  Pam.


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RE: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Hi pamela,

To say the truth I have the window-eyes with dectalk integrated but the dectalk 
I can't use it with other screen reader programs such as the NVDA.

For me dectalk was one of the best speech synthesizers ever made.

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On mine, I hear DecTalk.  But it depends.  On newer versions, they couldn't get 
a decTalk license, or something, so people who bought it towards the end of its 
life got vocalizer.  I don't know what that sounds like.  But if you had window 
eyes already and you just went to update it, you could still get DecTalk.  Pam.

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

On mine, I hear DecTalk.  But it depends.  On newer versions, they couldn't 
get a decTalk license, or something, so people who bought it towards the end 
of its life got vocalizer.  I don't know what that sounds like.  But if you 
had window eyes already and you just went to update it, you could still get 
DecTalk.  Pam.


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RE: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Dear pamela,

I'm michael  from Malta Europe, Please may I ask you from where I can buy the 
dectalk access32 software speech synthesizer if it is still available somewhere?
thanks

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Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it.

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
> eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
> they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they 
> had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as 
> the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is the 
> first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of 
> those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
> To: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Which voice is the one you might hear on WE startup? It sounds like the 
synthesizer is speaking English with an accent.


On 1/10/2022 12:23 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it.

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they 
had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as 
the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is the 
first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of 
those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


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Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Ah yes Rick, what you say is so true. I wish everyone whose found 
comfort and satisfaction with a particular voice to be able to keep and 
maintain it. I just wish the people at FS would take seriously this 
pacing issue. I really can't believe that so many people can be 
satisfied with such unnatural verbal delivery.



I really don't wish to argue about this, because I, at least on this 
issue, know that my mind can never be changed, not out of stubbornness, 
but on the knowledge that most people do not speak like JAWS speaks or 
reads in natural conversation.



With that, I will wish everyone a safe and happy day ,


Larry



On 1/10/2022 8:58 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
I have had triple talk USB for manyh years, and I use it with wineyes 
all the time and for my money it pronounces every word correctly, and 
does well with punctuation.  Even though it does not have a human 
voice it is very easy to understand.  I do have deck talk usb too, but 
I do not like it because it sounds like it has way to much to drink.  
When I use JAWS I use Kloe for my voice.  She seems to be the clearest 
of all the voices with the exception of David.  Either way there are 
some good synths, and some really poor ones.  I guess it comes down to 
which one a  person prefers.

Regards Rick

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so 
they had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as 
good as the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is 
the first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one 
of those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


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Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it.

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they 
had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as 
the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is the 
first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of 
those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


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Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

I have had triple talk USB for manyh years, and I use it with wineyes 
all the time and for my money it pronounces every word correctly, and 
does well with punctuation.  Even though it does not have a human voice 
it is very easy to understand.  I do have deck talk usb too, but I do 
not like it because it sounds like it has way to much to drink.  When I 
use JAWS I use Kloe for my voice.  She seems to be the clearest of all 
the voices with the exception of David.  Either way there are some good 
synths, and some really poor ones.  I guess it comes down to which one a 
 person prefers.

Regards Rick

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they 
had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as the 
external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is the first 
synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of those evas 
things with dos in it.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than eloquence. 
It's even better if you have an external one; because when they made dectalk 
32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they had to cobble it 
together however they could, so it's not as good as the external, but it's 
still better than eloquence.  Artic is the first synthetic speech I had in 
my first computer, which was one of those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2


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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I remember back over 30 years ago, when I was trying to put my first PC 
together, I thought I just had to have Dectalk, because that is what I 
heard when getting introduced to OCR stand alone products, such as 
Kurzweil and Arkenstone. When listening to the Kurzweil stand alone, the 
synth was Dectalk, while the Arkenstone was being demonstrated to me 
using Artic BusinessVision. I really hated that Artic speech, but due to 
financial constraints ended up with Artic anyway, and I actually learned 
to like it. Now, I don't know if I could ever return to Artic After all 
of these years (even if it were at all possible), but one thing for 
certain, I cannot stand Dectalk.




On 1/8/2022 12:04 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
Wow! I really like Eloquence, especially compared to (what is it) deck 
talk? Whatever

the WE default speech synthesizer is.
On 1/8/2022 11:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the 
thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not 
only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that 
if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it 
starts winding down like its batteries are dying.  After all these 
years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them!  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Pam, if you are reading email with Thunderbird, you are definitely using 
browse mode. As a matter of fact, when I go to reply to a message, I 
must turn off browse mode before I can begin composing the message.



Ah, Ive just gotta mention this little funny. When writing the word 
"composing," I mistakenly wrote the word "composting."



Now what I'm telling you about browse mode isn't compost. Try turning on 
Browse mode and see if that works. Some times the answers and solutions 
aren't that simple, but who knows, maybe it will work for you.



Now as for Eloquence, I'll have to agree with you about the descending 
pitch in those circumstances, but that isn't quite the deal breaker that 
the reading delivery is proving to be.



And BTW, this issue is not only evident with Eloquence with JFW, but all 
other synths included with the program as well.



I also don't hear the speech as in any way slurred, but if I did, I 
would also have a problem with it as well. Of course, most of this that 
we think we hear is indeed quite subjective, with the possible exception 
of my particular complaint .



Long live Eloquence, with all its faults,

Larry



On 1/8/2022 10:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the 
thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not 
only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that 
if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it 
starts winding down like its batteries are dying.  After all these 
years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them!  Pam.


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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Wow! I really like Eloquence, especially compared to (what is it) deck 
talk? Whatever

the WE default speech synthesizer is.
On 1/8/2022 11:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the thing 
I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not only that 
it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that if there is 
no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it starts winding 
down like its batteries are dying.  After all these years, they have 
never fixed that. Shame on them!  Pam.


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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the thing I 
don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not only that it 
sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that if there is no 
punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it starts winding down like 
its batteries are dying.  After all these years, they have never fixed that. 
Shame on them!  Pam.


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From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2


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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

I agree Larry, WE has been my favorite screen reader since it came out. 
 I still use it as much as possible.

Regards Rick

On 1/7/2022 9:15 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big 
duh, but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in?



Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be 
tempted  to finally give up on WE altogether.



I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once 
great screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to 
completely submitting to the ways of the shark.



The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with 
WE has more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply 
doesn't allow enough of an appropriate pause between the end and 
beginnings of sentences. It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't 
tolerate from a human reader. I mean, if narrators/readers on commercial 
recordings, or in house so to speak were to read in such a manner, let's 
just say that they would fail the audition.



I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do 
quite a bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence 
to me is more human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but 
only because of the way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen 
to manipulate speech delivery in say all mode.



As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, 
which reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That 
version of Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed 
of  Window-Eyes's 41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most 
of the time.




I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else.


WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately 
going to have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the 
same conclusion. There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS 
and Narrator will, but on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but 
these are becoming les and less frequent as time goes on. Too bad.



Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to 
get into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, 
that we sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it.



On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in 
the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the 
top, and it was.  But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam.


-Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
To: Donald Roberts via Talk
Cc: Rick Jarvis
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Try n v d a.  I jump back and forrth between windoweyes and n v d a.  n 
v d a has some nice features, and it is free, although I donate a bit 
when I download a new copy.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2022, Larry Higgins via Talk 
wrote:


I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big duh, 
but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in?



Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be tempted  
to finally give up on WE altogether.



I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once great 
screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to completely 
submitting to the ways of the shark.



The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with WE has 
more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply doesn't allow 
enough of an appropriate pause between the end and beginnings of sentences. 
It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't tolerate from a human reader. I 
mean, if narrators/readers on commercial recordings, or in house so to speak 
were to read in such a manner, let's just say that they would fail the 
audition.



I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do quite a 
bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence to me is more 
human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but only because of the 
way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen to manipulate speech 
delivery in say all mode.



As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, which 
reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That version of 
Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed of  Window-Eyes's 
41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most of the time.




I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else.


WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately going to 
have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the same conclusion. 
There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS and Narrator will, but 
on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but these are becoming les and 
less frequent as time goes on. Too bad.



Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to get 
into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, that we 
sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it.



On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:


I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in
 the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top,
 and it was.  But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam.

 -Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
 To: Donald Roberts via Talk
 Cc: Rick Jarvis
 Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big 
duh, but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in?



Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be 
tempted  to finally give up on WE altogether.



I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once 
great screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to 
completely submitting to the ways of the shark.



The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with 
WE has more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply 
doesn't allow enough of an appropriate pause between the end and 
beginnings of sentences. It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't 
tolerate from a human reader. I mean, if narrators/readers on commercial 
recordings, or in house so to speak were to read in such a manner, let's 
just say that they would fail the audition.



I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do 
quite a bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence 
to me is more human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but 
only because of the way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen 
to manipulate speech delivery in say all mode.



As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, 
which reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That 
version of Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed 
of  Window-Eyes's 41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most 
of the time.




I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else.


WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately 
going to have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the 
same conclusion. There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS 
and Narrator will, but on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but 
these are becoming les and less frequent as time goes on. Too bad.



Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to 
get into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, 
that we sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it.



On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in 
the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the 
top, and it was.  But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam.


-Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
To: Donald Roberts via Talk
Cc: Rick Jarvis
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in the 
control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top, and it 
was.  But I still can't read the body of a message.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Jarvis via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
To: Donald Roberts via Talk
Cc: Rick Jarvis
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Mike via Talk]

Hello


I have had the same problem.  I haven't upgraded TB but it seemed to 
started after an upgrade to Windows 10.



Mike

Mike Gurney

On 07/01/2022 01:44, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Well Bernie, I have a feeling that focus annoyance isn't one of those 
things that will go away any time soon. I mean, if others find that to 
be the pain that we do, you think that people would complain in 
droves, but apparently not.



I'm sure glad you got the message body issue worked out though. 
Hopefully I wont be running into anything  as serious as that with the 
bird round here.


Take care and stay safe,

Larry


On 1/6/2022 5:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
Hi Lary,  Yes, I have been having the same issue.  It is quite 
annoying.  I am not sure when this behavior began.  Also, near the 
end of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to 
get any new messages.  I think it might have something to do with 
changing longin procedures on my two email providers   I rolled back 
my system to the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB 
upgrade and voila all was well again except for the focus switching 
issue.  Bernie


On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have 
had to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is 
that Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the 
mail account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of 
mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found 
a way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, 
I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original 
issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to 
read everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began 
several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 
2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I 
can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W 
E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. 
I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud 
Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which 
nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I 
wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read 
email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking 
about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to 
read email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well Bernie, I have a feeling that focus annoyance isn't one of those 
things that will go away any time soon. I mean, if others find that to 
be the pain that we do, you think that people would complain in droves, 
but apparently not.



I'm sure glad you got the message body issue worked out though. 
Hopefully I wont be running into anything  as serious as that with the 
bird round here.


Take care and stay safe,

Larry


On 1/6/2022 5:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
Hi Lary,  Yes, I have been having the same issue.  It is quite 
annoying.  I am not sure when this behavior began.  Also, near the end 
of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to get 
any new messages.  I think it might have something to do with changing 
longin procedures on my two email providers   I rolled back my system 
to the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB upgrade and 
voila all was well again except for the focus switching issue.  Bernie


On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had 
to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of 
mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found 
a way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, 
I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original 
issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to 
read everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began 
several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 
2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I 
can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W 
E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I 
can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud 
Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which 
nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder 
whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email 
using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I 
would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Lary,  Yes, I have been having the same issue.  It is quite 
annoying.  I am not sure when this behavior began.  Also, near the end 
of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to get 
any new messages.  I think it might have something to do with changing 
longin procedures on my two email providers   I rolled back my system to 
the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB upgrade and voila all 
was well again except for the focus switching issue.  Bernie


On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had 
to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of 
mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a 
way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I 
apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. 
Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to 
read everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began 
several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 
to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no 
longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with 
Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can 
read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud 
Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which 
nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder 
whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email 
using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I 
would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

Larry so far I have not encountered that problem.
Rick

On 1/6/2022 1:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to 
learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail 
boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a 
way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I 
apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. 
Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read 
everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several 
months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 
to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no 
longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with 
Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read 
the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton 
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be 
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this 
could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. 
If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate 
knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to 
learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail 
boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a 
way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I 
apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. 
Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read 
everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several 
months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 
to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no 
longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with 
Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read 
the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton 
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be 
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this 
could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. 
If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate 
knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read 
everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although 
I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader 
of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see 
whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use 
Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I 
can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and 
subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton 
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be 
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could 
be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If 
anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing 
which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Don,


Nice to hear from you again. Smile.

As far as the list of Window-Eyes apps to disable, it is interesting to note 
that, actually, on one of my computers, I did not need to disable any apps, 
whereas, on another, I did.

Also, I don’t think the fact that certain apps are running is the cause of your 
Thunderbird issue.

The simple fact is that I was not even able to get Window-Eyes to launch 
without throwing multiple errors unless the apps I mentioned were disabled.

The process of disabling apps couldn’t even be done at all unless I launched 
Window-Eyes without any apps starting up, and this is done by holding down the 
Shift key while launching it.


I tend to think that the problem you are having is that which Bernie on the 
list mentioned when responding to Carol‘s post, namely, the Thunderbird set 
file is not loading and therefore the screen information presented by 
Thunderbird is not accessible.

Bernie’s suggestion of the steps to get the Thunderbird set file to load should 
work, but, if it doesn’t, then the set file which you would need to load 
manually is TBEnhanced, as memory serves.  Once you load that set file, you 
would need to press Control-S in order to save the association of this set file 
with the application window in question; this association would be to the main 
Thunderbird application window.

At any rate, here is the list I had mentioned some time ago:


Window eyes apps to disable


Eloquence Fix

Hotspot

JAWS quick key

WEDiag

Windows Enhanced


Good luck, and I hope this helps,


Rod


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From: Talk  on 
behalf of Donald Roberts via Talk 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:08 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Donald Roberts
Subject: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although
I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago.

Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader
of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see
whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use
Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I
can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and
subject fields but not the message body.

Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could
be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If
anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing
which W E apps need to be disabled.

I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read
email using W E.

Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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RE: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi,

I just thought I would mention that the only app which works with the current 
version of GoldWave, that is, version 6.54, is the app I wrote, namely, 
GoldWave Enhance.
This app is included in the archive which I gave the link for.
Incidentally, as memory serves, this app has a little subroutine which checks 
to see if the GoldWave program has changed its name.
If it has changed, then my app won't work, and you'll get a message asking you 
to contact the developer.
You can always contact me and I'll make any necessary changes in my app and 
update it, no problem.
My email address is rod_hut...@hotmail.com.
I also want to mention that all my app does it provide three hot keys, for 
reading the start and end positions of the current track, as well as the track 
length.
It's not too fancy, but it does come in handy. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod Hutton

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Comcast via Talk
Sent: April 1, 2021 4:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Comcast 
Subject: Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as the 
ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set file, 
but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to be 
anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Butch,
> 
> You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of CTRL+SHIFT+F to 
> issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you regularly jump 
> between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up the field 
> labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
> CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
> there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
> automatically.
> 
> Best,
> Steve
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with the 
>> find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with 
>> the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" 
>> and so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
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Re: window eyes speaking extra word

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Thanks again.  That did the trick.  I jump between window-eyes and nvda 
73

Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


and I think that is the find command in nvda.  Anyhow, it is gon.  On Sat, 
3 Apr 2021, Rod Hutton wrote:



Hi Butch,

Actually, Steve Clower responded to your message with the suggestion that you 
may have accidentally used the hot  Key  control insert F which labels a field.
He suggested that this may have happened if you had been searching for the word 
?serial? and accidentally pressed the above hot Key.
so, the solution is to find an edit box in your browser, press the above hot 
key, and then clear the edit box, which probably contains the word ?serial?, 
and then press enter to close the dialogue.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for iOS


From: Talk  on behalf of 
Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 8:55:27 PM
To: Drew Clark via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: window eyes speaking extra word

I'm not sure if my previous note made it to the list.  In firefox, as I
move around, window-eyes keeps saying the word serial before links and
edit boxes.  I'm not certain when it started or what I might have done.
I've rebooted and serial seems to still be there somehow.  Any thoughts?
Thanks much.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: window eyes speaking extra word

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Thanks much.  Some how, I never saw his response.
I'll try that.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 3 Apr 2021, Rod 
Hutton wrote:



Hi Butch,

Actually, Steve Clower responded to your message with the suggestion that you 
may have accidentally used the hot  Key  control insert F which labels a field.
He suggested that this may have happened if you had been searching for the word 
?serial? and accidentally pressed the above hot Key.
so, the solution is to find an edit box in your browser, press the above hot 
key, and then clear the edit box, which probably contains the word ?serial?, 
and then press enter to close the dialogue.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for iOS


From: Talk  on behalf of 
Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 8:55:27 PM
To: Drew Clark via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: window eyes speaking extra word

I'm not sure if my previous note made it to the list.  In firefox, as I
move around, window-eyes keeps saying the word serial before links and
edit boxes.  I'm not certain when it started or what I might have done.
I've rebooted and serial seems to still be there somehow.  Any thoughts?
Thanks much.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: Gold wave, was: RE: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Great to hear from you!
That will be the day when I beat you. Grin

Take care,

Rod

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behalf of Tom Kingston via Talk 
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 11:37:42 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net 
Subject: Gold wave, was: RE: window-eyes speaking extra word

Eh, you beat me to it, Rod.
For Comcast, note there are two apps for Gold Wave: GoldWave and 
GoldWave_enhanced. I never used the program, so I don't know anything about 
them.
Good luck,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

Hi,

Well, you could look in here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxkw8ub1whk3b5e/WEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

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On 2021-04-01, 4:40 PM, "Talk on behalf of Comcast via Talk" 
 wrote:

Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as 
the ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set 
file, but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to 
be anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
 wrote:
>
> Hi Butch,
>
> You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of 
CTRL+SHIFT+F to issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you 
regularly jump between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up 
the field labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
automatically.
>
> Best,
> Steve
>
>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
 wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with 
the find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with 
the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" and 
so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
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Re: window eyes speaking extra word

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Actually, Steve Clower responded to your message with the suggestion that you 
may have accidentally used the hot  Key  control insert F which labels a field.
He suggested that this may have happened if you had been searching for the word 
“serial“ and accidentally pressed the above hot Key.
so, the solution is to find an edit box in your browser, press the above hot 
key, and then clear the edit box, which probably contains the word “serial“, 
and then press enter to close the dialogue.

Good luck,

Rod

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From: Talk  on 
behalf of Butch Bussen via Talk 
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 8:55:27 PM
To: Drew Clark via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: window eyes speaking extra word

I'm not sure if my previous note made it to the list.  In firefox, as I
move around, window-eyes keeps saying the word serial before links and
edit boxes.  I'm not certain when it started or what I might have done.
I've rebooted and serial seems to still be there somehow.  Any thoughts?
Thanks much.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Gold wave, was: RE: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Eh, you beat me to it, Rod. 
For Comcast, note there are two apps for Gold Wave: GoldWave and 
GoldWave_enhanced. I never used the program, so I don't know anything about 
them.
Good luck,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

Hi,

Well, you could look in here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxkw8ub1whk3b5e/WEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

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On 2021-04-01, 4:40 PM, "Talk on behalf of Comcast via Talk" 
 wrote:

Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as 
the ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set 
file, but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to 
be anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
 wrote:
> 
> Hi Butch,
> 
> You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of 
CTRL+SHIFT+F to issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you 
regularly jump between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up 
the field labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
automatically.
> 
> Best,
> Steve
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
 wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with 
the find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with 
the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" and 
so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>> 
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Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi,

Well, you could look in here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxkw8ub1whk3b5e/WEApps.zip?dl=1

Good luck,

Rod

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On 2021-04-01, 4:40 PM, "Talk on behalf of Comcast via Talk" 
 wrote:

Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as 
the ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set 
file, but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to 
be anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
 wrote:
> 
> Hi Butch,
> 
> You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of 
CTRL+SHIFT+F to issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you 
regularly jump between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up 
the field labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
automatically.
> 
> Best,
> Steve
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
 wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with 
the find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with 
the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" and 
so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>> 
>> 
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Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

[John Covici via Talk]

Isn't it an app, rather than a set file, if I remember corrrectly.

On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 16:40:34 -0400,
Comcast via Talk wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as the 
> ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set file, 
> but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to be 
> anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Butch,
> > 
> > You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of CTRL+SHIFT+F 
> > to issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you regularly 
> > jump between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up the 
> > field labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
> > CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you 
> > find there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done 
> > for you automatically.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> >> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with 
> >> the find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes 
> >> with the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial 
> >> link" and so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no 
> >> change.
> >> 73
> >> Butch
> >> WA0VJR
> >> Node 3148
> >> Wallace, ks.
> >> 
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Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Comcast via Talk]

Does anyone have an archive of all the WE set files prior to 9.4 such as the 
ones released for version 8? I am primarily looking for a gold wave set file, 
but I never found it in my release of version 9.4.1. It doesn’t seem to be 
anywhere in the WE folder. Thanks a lot for your help,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Stephen Clower via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Butch,
> 
> You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of CTRL+SHIFT+F to 
> issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you regularly jump 
> between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up the field 
> labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
> CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
> there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
> automatically.
> 
> Best,
> Steve
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with the 
>> find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with 
>> the tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" 
>> and so forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>> 
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Re: window-eyes speaking extra word

[Stephen Clower via Talk]

Hi Butch,

You may have unintentionally pressed CTRL+INSERT+F instead of CTRL+SHIFT+F to 
issue the find command— easy enough to do especially if you regularly jump 
between NVDA and other screen readers. This keystroke brings up the field 
labeler instead. Once you are in the browser and hear “serial,” press 
CTRL+INSERT+F to re-open the field label dialog, clear out any text you find 
there, and press Enter. No need to save anything as this will be done for you 
automatically.

Best,
Steve


> On Apr 1, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure where it came from, maybe I did a search at one  time with the 
> find command.  Anyhow, Now as I'm going through links and edit boxes with the 
> tab key, it preceeds each with the word serial, such as "serial link" and so 
> forth.  Anyone know how to clear this.  I've rebooted and no change.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
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RE: window eyes

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

I agree with you but sadly  for Window-Eyes for Office, I can no longer get
Code Factory to acknowledge my license for Eloquence.  I even bought a new
license last Fall with no uses on it.

I just literally missed out on upgrading to Window-Eyes last version and I'd
still pay for it today as I agree, I  still prefer many aspects of
window-Eyes over JAWS but now I'm being forced to use JAWS.

I get nowhere with Vispero's Technical support and I was a Tech support
person for FS at one time.  There's issues with JAWS and what appears to be
certain HTML or similar content and it crashes JAWS and Outlook regularly.
I sent them samples and they wouldn't acknowledge it.  I know that GW Micro
wouldn't tolerate such off-putting and poor responsiveness.



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Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 8:03 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: window eyes

I  STILL have WE on my Win10 computers as a backup screen reader and it
still works quite well. In a few cases it will work better than JAWS. Being
it has not been updated in 4or 5 years, shows how great  a screen reader WE
was.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Long via Talk" 
To: 
Cc: "Dennis Long" 
Sent: Fr\iday, March 19, 2021 3:06 AM
Subject: window eyes


> How is WE performing these days?  I would expect it to have issues 
> with Windows 10.  Is this the case?  It was a very good screen reader.
>
>
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Re: window eyes

[Loy Green via Talk]

I  STILL have WE on my Win10 computers as a backup screen reader and it 
still works quite well. In a few cases it will work better than JAWS. Being 
it has not been updated in 4or 5 years, shows how great  a screen reader WE 
was.
- Original Message - 
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Subject: window eyes



How is WE performing these days?  I would expect it to have issues with
Windows 10.  Is this the case?  It was a very good screen reader.



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RE: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

[Richard Petty via Talk]

I had a similar experience at about the same time. That does cause me to
wonder whether a Microsoft update across Windows 8 and 10 might be causing
this.

Sadly, I have misplaced my Window-Eyes 9.5.4 CD. Pretty desperate to try to
reinstall, even though this news is a little discouraging.

There are still several things WE does better than screen readers now on the
market--some of them in Microsoft Office 2013.
For me, it's a matter of productivity.

Richard

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Behalf Of Peter Chin via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 9:28 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Peter Chin 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

Hello all,

I got the same message after restarting Windows 8.1 as instructed by
Window-Eyes. I am wondering whether it is one of the drivers in both Windows
8 and 10 that is causing this message. For the most part, my Window-eyes
9.5.4 is behaving well.

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

Hi there:

This happened after the reboot, not during the install.  Install went
smoothly and I was prompted to reboot.

I have no info about the error itself, as the diag tool didn't describe what
the problem was.

I can repeat it if I delete the GW Micro folder under %appdata%.

As for removal, I've got the removal tool if I need it.

Again, though, WE seems to be doing about as well as it did before.

Got it monitoring BARD express as I'm downloading some books.  It still
plays real nice with BARD express.

I'm sorry I can't say which build of Windows 10 this applies to, as it may
happen in earlier builds.  I'm using insider builds, because I'm playing
with the Windows Subsystem for Linux also, and installation of this system
is a breeze using the insider builds.  But, that's neither here nor there.

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Re: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

[Peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

I got the same message after restarting Windows 8.1 as instructed by 
Window-Eyes. I am wondering whether it is one of the drivers in both Windows 
8 and 10 that is causing this message. For the most part, my Window-eyes 
9.5.4 is behaving well.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

Hi there:

This happened after the reboot, not during the install.  Install went
smoothly and I was prompted to reboot.

I have no info about the error itself, as the diag tool didn't describe what
the problem was.

I can repeat it if I delete the GW Micro folder under %appdata%.

As for removal, I've got the removal tool if I need it.

Again, though, WE seems to be doing about as well as it did before.

Got it monitoring BARD express as I'm downloading some books.  It still
plays real nice with BARD express.

I'm sorry I can't say which build of Windows 10 this applies to, as it may
happen in earlier builds.  I'm using insider builds, because I'm playing
with the Windows Subsystem for Linux also, and installation of this system
is a breeze using the insider builds.  But, that's neither here nor there.

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RE: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi there:

This happened after the reboot, not during the install.  Install went
smoothly and I was prompted to reboot.

I have no info about the error itself, as the diag tool didn't describe what
the problem was.

I can repeat it if I delete the GW Micro folder under %appdata%.

As for removal, I've got the removal tool if I need it.

Again, though, WE seems to be doing about as well as it did before.

Got it monitoring BARD express as I'm downloading some books.  It still
plays real nice with BARD express.

I'm sorry I can't say which build of Windows 10 this applies to, as it may
happen in earlier builds.  I'm using insider builds, because I'm playing
with the Windows Subsystem for Linux also, and installation of this system
is a breeze using the insider builds.  But, that's neither here nor there.

Cheers.

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Re: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

[net bat via Talk]

have you rebooted the computer since you did the setup? it doesn't install the 
video drivers until you do.
i don't know if the demo has the emergency removal tool. it is on the full 
release on the installation cd if someone has it.
but you would have to run it with narrator running and it won't  announce 
anything until it has finished and it says window eyes has been completely 
removed.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:41 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

Just installed WE 9.5.4 demo on Windows 10 Version 2004 (OS Build
21277.1000).  This is the latest insider build.



Install went smoothly, but, a few seconds after first run, in addition to
the setup wizard, I got this:



A problem has been detected that could potentially cause

Window-Eyes to behave inefficiently. Sending information about this

problem is strongly recommended so that the issue can be

addressed. Do you want to send information about this problem

now? If you choose Yes, a report will be sent to Ai Squared support

technicians for investigation. If you choose No, no information will be

sent. If you choose Cancel, you will not be prompted again for this

version of Window-Eyes.

Yes No Cancel



Just for the heck of it, I said "Yes", but got an e-mail telling me about
JAWS 18-you know how long that has been in place.  I wasn't even expecting
that, because most of GW's Web site is gone.  It's gutted, almost like my
house was after the fire in 2007.



No other anomalies, other than what you all probably know about already.



But, it's still chugging along.  Still seems to work under latest Edge, and
need to put Chrome back in here.



I have to do almost a complete wipe of the HD to re-install the demo, so
going to re-install my essential programs.



My system stays in a state of flux anyway, so no big deal.



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Re: window eyes old tutorial archive

[Drew Clark via Talk]

hi guys,
any  one has the zip file for window eyes audio tutorial on the cd?
doesn't matter what version..
could you share it with me by uploading somewhere?
thanks
k

On 10/19/18, Drew Clark  wrote:
> hi,
>
> since window eyes is no longer developped, i want to collect all
> tutorials for window eyes, there is audio tutorials on gw audio video
> archive and it brings to 2005, but if possible i want to get from the
> begining, maybe during the days where cassettes were used, window eyes
> 1.0 audio tutorials and other tutorials.
>
> do any of you have it somewhere?
>
> thanks
>
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Re: window-eyes serial

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Sorry.  I never heard that that was the case with office.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: window-eyes serial

To my knowledge, when you are running the Office version of WinEyes, you
would need additional license to run any speech synthesizer apart from
Eloquence. Since the WinEyes+Office project was discontinued several
years ago, I am afraid you won't get much farther.


You could of course try calling Freedom Scientific, and ask if they
could sell you some license for Dectalk. Others might have better ideas.
Not sure if the DecTalk manufacturer would sell you a standalone
license, but might be worth a try.


David

On 11/21/2020 10:31 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Hello to all,
I just installed the latest version of window-eyes. Is there any way to 
use the dectalk access 32 synthesizer?

I have the window-eyes for office version.
Thanks,
Darrell


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Re: window-eyes serial

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

It is in there, along with the rest of the different voices.  That's what 
I'm using right now.  I don't like the rest of them.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:31 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: window-eyes serial

Hello to all,
I just installed the latest version of window-eyes. Is there any way to use 
the dectalk access 32 synthesizer?

I have the window-eyes for office version.
Thanks,
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Re: window-eyes serial

[David via Talk]

To my knowledge, when you are running the Office version of WinEyes, you 
would need additional license to run any speech synthesizer apart from 
Eloquence. Since the WinEyes+Office project was discontinued several 
years ago, I am afraid you won't get much farther.



You could of course try calling Freedom Scientific, and ask if they 
could sell you some license for Dectalk. Others might have better ideas. 
Not sure if the DecTalk manufacturer would sell you a standalone 
license, but might be worth a try.



David

On 11/21/2020 10:31 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Hello to all,
I just installed the latest version of window-eyes. Is there any way to use the 
dectalk access 32 synthesizer?
I have the window-eyes for office version.
Thanks,
Darrell


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RE: Window-eyes enhanced app

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Lloyd,

Yes, and I sent Donald a message with a DropBox link to download the app. Smile.

Peace and safety, in these trying times,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: November 19, 2020 2:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen 
Subject: Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

It's actually called the Windows Enhanced app.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:01 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

Hello Rod and other interested persons,


I don't know how I did it, but I lost my copy of the "Window-eyes enhanced" 
app.  Please could you send it to me as an email attachment.
As the list probably does not accept attachments, please send to:


donald.robert...@gmail.com


Thanks


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

It's actually called the Windows Enhanced app.



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-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:01 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

Hello Rod and other interested persons,


I don't know how I did it, but I lost my copy of the "Window-eyes
enhanced" app.  Please could you send it to me as an email attachment.
As the list probably does not accept attachments, please send to:


donald.robert...@gmail.com


Thanks


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

[David via Talk]

If you go to your Program Files (86), Then to GWMicro, and then to WinEyes. 
This is the program folder for the WinEyes installation. In my case, there are 
269 entries, and the file you are looking for, is number 262. So easiest is to 
go to the end of the list, by hitting the End key, and scroll a few upwards.

On my system, it is located directly above the WindowsLive file. It is clearly 
stated as WindowsEnhance.wepm. Hit Enter, and you should be rolling.

In case you do not find the file here either, let me know, and I will send it 
to you.

David

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Hello Rod and other interested persons,


I don't know how I did it, but I lost my copy of the "Window-eyes 
enhanced" app.  Please could you send it to me as an email 
attachment.  As the list probably does not accept attachments, please 
send to:



donald.robert...@gmail.com


Thanks


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Re: Window-eyes enhanced app

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

Hello Rod and other interested persons,


I don't know how I did it, but I lost my copy of the "Window-eyes 
enhanced" app.  Please could you send it to me as an email attachment.  
As the list probably does not accept attachments, please send to:



donald.robert...@gmail.com


Thanks


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Re: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Darrell,

My understanding was that the window eyes for office serial number was built in.
As I recall, going from memory, it was WEOFFICE.

I hope this helps, and good luck,

Rod

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Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will 
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

My other question is if I install window-eyes for office, will it still work 
without a serial number?


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:53 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will 
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

If you are referring to a license for Eloquence for Window-Eyes for Office, you 
can or could as I am not sure where Eloquence for Windows stands right now.

I have really enjoyed using it and I was using it with Narrator as well when I 
needed to use Narrator.

I am going to wait a couple of days before I go buy another Eloquence for 
windows License as I was fairly confident that I had not used all of my three 
activations and I have another License I purchased for another computer and it 
didn't work.

Here's the link:

https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcodefactoryglobal.com%2Fapp-store%2Feloquence-for-windows&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa61fcde3e964dd921dd08d86bfe72ff%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637378087874858516&sdata=DoBDHZKDzwN8Hzu41ehMPjArh8ZXlnYoIMsxEN5jK18%3D&reserved=0

How can I open the Windows Speech control panel to select Eloquence for Windows 
as my default TTS?

 It is located in a different place, depending on the version of Windows that 
you have (often you can find it under the "Ease of Access" option in the 
control panel). One universal way to access it is to type the following into 
the Run prompt (which appears as an option after right clicking the Windows 
Start button):

 %windir%\System32\speech\SpeechUX\sapi.cpl


Then, be certain to select SAPI under Synthesizers when switching a Screen 
Reader from its Default Synthesizer to Code Factory Eloquence.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf Of 
Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:21 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will 
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

Can I get a license for my window eyes for office?
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not 
validate/says I need an Internet Connection

The subject says it all.



Occasionally, the purchased License of  Eloquence for Windows will lose its 
authorization.



I just  apply my key and validate.



Today, I was unable to validate and I have one license on one computer.



The message: There's a problem activating your License.  Make sure you have a 
working Internet Connection.



I certainly do have an always on type of Internet connection.



I am curious if anyone else has encountered this issue today or recently?



Code Factory seems to still be producing various versions of Eloquence as 
there's now a version for NVDA, so I doubt they're out of business?



As we know, Code Factory  are very hands off and do not offer much, if any, 
technical support.



If anyone knows if the Eloquence for Windows Version 1.0 has been 
decommissioned or otherwise, please share.



I have another license and tried it's key as here's two remaining uses and 
still received the same error.



Any news, suggestions or otherwise are welcomed!



I've been using JAWS today and . Although I use it for work, I'd rather use 
Window-Eyes for as long as I can but the Microsoft Voices lag in responsiveness.







Thanks and be safe all!



Amanda Lee





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RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

Hi,

You could be right.

I use Windows 10 for Operating System and Defender.  This hasn't occurred
before so heads up for anyone else who encounters this same issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:26 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Steve Nutt 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence
will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

Hi,

Sounds like a classic case of a firewall blocking it to me.

All the best

Steve

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: 08 October 2020 23:14
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

The subject says it all. 

 

Occasionally, the purchased License of  Eloquence for Windows will lose its
authorization.

 

I just  apply my key and validate.

 

Today, I was unable to validate and I have one license on one computer.

 

The message: There's a problem activating your License.  Make sure you have
a working Internet Connection.

 

I certainly do have an always on type of Internet connection.

 

I am curious if anyone else has encountered this issue today or recently?

 

Code Factory seems to still be producing various versions of Eloquence as
there's now a version for NVDA, so I doubt they're out of business?

 

As we know, Code Factory  are very hands off and do not offer much, if any,
technical support.

 

If anyone knows if the Eloquence for Windows Version 1.0 has been
decommissioned or otherwise, please share.

 

I have another license and tried it's key as here's two remaining uses and
still received the same error.

 

Any news, suggestions or otherwise are welcomed!  

 

I've been using JAWS today and . Although I use it for work, I'd rather use
Window-Eyes for as long as I can but the Microsoft Voices lag in
responsiveness. 

  

 

 

Thanks and be safe all!

 

Amanda Lee

 

 

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RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Sounds like a classic case of a firewall blocking it to me.

All the best

Steve

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: 08 October 2020 23:14
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

The subject says it all. 

 

Occasionally, the purchased License of  Eloquence for Windows will lose its
authorization.

 

I just  apply my key and validate.

 

Today, I was unable to validate and I have one license on one computer.

 

The message: There's a problem activating your License.  Make sure you have
a working Internet Connection.

 

I certainly do have an always on type of Internet connection.

 

I am curious if anyone else has encountered this issue today or recently?

 

Code Factory seems to still be producing various versions of Eloquence as
there's now a version for NVDA, so I doubt they're out of business?

 

As we know, Code Factory  are very hands off and do not offer much, if any,
technical support.

 

If anyone knows if the Eloquence for Windows Version 1.0 has been
decommissioned or otherwise, please share.

 

I have another license and tried it's key as here's two remaining uses and
still received the same error.

 

Any news, suggestions or otherwise are welcomed!  

 

I've been using JAWS today and . Although I use it for work, I'd rather use
Window-Eyes for as long as I can but the Microsoft Voices lag in
responsiveness. 

  

 

 

Thanks and be safe all!

 

Amanda Lee

 

 

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RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

My other question is if I install window-eyes for office, will it still work 
without a serial number?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:53 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will 
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

If you are referring to a license for Eloquence for Window-Eyes for Office, you 
can or could as I am not sure where Eloquence for Windows stands right now.

I have really enjoyed using it and I was using it with Narrator as well when I 
needed to use Narrator.

I am going to wait a couple of days before I go buy another Eloquence for 
windows License as I was fairly confident that I had not used all of my three 
activations and I have another License I purchased for another computer and it 
didn't work.

Here's the link:

https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcodefactoryglobal.com%2Fapp-store%2Feloquence-for-windows&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfa61fcde3e964dd921dd08d86bfe72ff%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637378087874858516&sdata=DoBDHZKDzwN8Hzu41ehMPjArh8ZXlnYoIMsxEN5jK18%3D&reserved=0

How can I open the Windows Speech control panel to select Eloquence for Windows 
as my default TTS?
 
 It is located in a different place, depending on the version of Windows that 
you have (often you can find it under the "Ease of Access" option in the 
control panel). One universal way to access it is to type the following into 
the Run prompt (which appears as an option after right clicking the Windows 
Start button):
 
 %windir%\System32\speech\SpeechUX\sapi.cpl 
 
 
Then, be certain to select SAPI under Synthesizers when switching a Screen 
Reader from its Default Synthesizer to Code Factory Eloquence.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf Of 
Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:21 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will 
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

Can I get a license for my window eyes for office?
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not 
validate/says I need an Internet Connection

The subject says it all. 

 

Occasionally, the purchased License of  Eloquence for Windows will lose its 
authorization.

 

I just  apply my key and validate.

 

Today, I was unable to validate and I have one license on one computer.

 

The message: There's a problem activating your License.  Make sure you have a 
working Internet Connection.

 

I certainly do have an always on type of Internet connection.

 

I am curious if anyone else has encountered this issue today or recently?

 

Code Factory seems to still be producing various versions of Eloquence as 
there's now a version for NVDA, so I doubt they're out of business?

 

As we know, Code Factory  are very hands off and do not offer much, if any, 
technical support.

 

If anyone knows if the Eloquence for Windows Version 1.0 has been 
decommissioned or otherwise, please share.

 

I have another license and tried it's key as here's two remaining uses and 
still received the same error.

 

Any news, suggestions or otherwise are welcomed!  

 

I've been using JAWS today and . Although I use it for work, I'd rather use 
Window-Eyes for as long as I can but the Microsoft Voices lag in 
responsiveness. 

  

 

 

Thanks and be safe all!

 

Amanda Lee

 

 

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RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

If you are referring to a license for Eloquence for Window-Eyes for Office,
you can or could as I am not sure where Eloquence for Windows stands right
now.

I have really enjoyed using it and I was using it with Narrator as well when
I needed to use Narrator.

I am going to wait a couple of days before I go buy another Eloquence for
windows License as I was fairly confident that I had not used all of my
three activations and I have another License I purchased for another
computer and it didn't work.

Here's the link:

http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/eloquence-for-windows

How can I open the Windows Speech control panel to select Eloquence for
Windows as my default TTS?
 
 It is located in a different place, depending on the version of Windows
that you have (often you can find it under the "Ease of Access" option in
the control panel). One universal way to access it is to type the following
into the Run prompt (which appears as an option after right clicking the
Windows Start button):
 
 %windir%\System32\speech\SpeechUX\sapi.cpl 
 
 
Then, be certain to select SAPI under Synthesizers when switching a Screen
Reader from its Default Synthesizer to Code Factory Eloquence.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:21 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence
will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

Can I get a license for my window eyes for office?
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will
not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

The subject says it all. 

 

Occasionally, the purchased License of  Eloquence for Windows will lose its
authorization.

 

I just  apply my key and validate.

 

Today, I was unable to validate and I have one license on one computer.

 

The message: There's a problem activating your License.  Make sure you have
a working Internet Connection.

 

I certainly do have an always on type of Internet connection.

 

I am curious if anyone else has encountered this issue today or recently?

 

Code Factory seems to still be producing various versions of Eloquence as
there's now a version for NVDA, so I doubt they're out of business?

 

As we know, Code Factory  are very hands off and do not offer much, if any,
technical support.

 

If anyone knows if the Eloquence for Windows Version 1.0 has been
decommissioned or otherwise, please share.

 

I have another license and tried it's key as here's two remaining uses and
still received the same error.

 

Any news, suggestions or otherwise are welcomed!  

 

I've been using JAWS today and . Although I use it for work, I'd rather use
Window-Eyes for as long as I can but the Microsoft Voices lag in
responsiveness. 

  

 

 

Thanks and be safe all!

 

Amanda Lee

 

 

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RE: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not validate/says I need an Internet Connection

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Can I get a license for my window eyes for office?
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 6:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Window-Eyes for Office and Code Factory eloquence/Eloquence will not 
validate/says I need an Internet Connection

The subject says it all. 

 

Occasionally, the purchased License of  Eloquence for Windows will lose its 
authorization.

 

I just  apply my key and validate.

 

Today, I was unable to validate and I have one license on one computer.

 

The message: There's a problem activating your License.  Make sure you have a 
working Internet Connection.

 

I certainly do have an always on type of Internet connection.

 

I am curious if anyone else has encountered this issue today or recently?

 

Code Factory seems to still be producing various versions of Eloquence as 
there's now a version for NVDA, so I doubt they're out of business?

 

As we know, Code Factory  are very hands off and do not offer much, if any, 
technical support.

 

If anyone knows if the Eloquence for Windows Version 1.0 has been 
decommissioned or otherwise, please share.

 

I have another license and tried it's key as here's two remaining uses and 
still received the same error.

 

Any news, suggestions or otherwise are welcomed!  

 

I've been using JAWS today and . Although I use it for work, I'd rather use 
Window-Eyes for as long as I can but the Microsoft Voices lag in 
responsiveness. 

  

 

 

Thanks and be safe all!

 

Amanda Lee

 

 

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Re: Window-Eyes still working on Windows 10 1909 for the most part

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi joseph,

I am running window eyes on windows 10 2004.
I am also using Microsoft 365 version of office with window eyes and the 
outlook enhanst app works perfectly.
The important thing is to first install the correct package of the office set 
files and then install the office enhanced and Outlook enhanced apps.
multiple reboots may be required as well as multiple re-installations of these 
apps, but, without exception, I am always able to get these apps working on 
windows 10.

I wish you luck, and stay safe,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:50 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> The subject says it all.
> 
> 
> 
> Loaded my demo of WE 9.5.4 and it's still chugging along on Windows 10
> version 1909.  My device hasn't updated to 20-04 just yet, so can't speak
> for that.
> 
> 
> 
> There are a few things not working, like the outlook addin, but, it could be
> worse.
> 
> 
> 
> Running on a surface pro 7, fyi.
> 
> 
> 
> Oh, one weirdness.  When I check the about box, it says copyright 1995-2020.
> The executable is from 2017, but, the WETOOL.DLL shows today's date.
> 
> 
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> When I choose the About button, it says copyright 
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Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

[net bat via Talk]

many times i have to reload w e when i boot the computer. and this is with 
windows 7.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:00 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

Thanks for your help. I will consider these options if need be. Go figure.
It is working today. When installing Window-Eyes, I haven't needed to worry
about this. I am aware that in web browsers and some software programs that
the mouse keys don't perform well, but they usually work on the desktop and
in Winamp, for example.

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 11:59 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

did you try useing the emergency removal tool. this is an option from the w
e setup disk. but you should use another synthisizer to do this. it won't
say anything until the removal is complete. about 30 seconds.
***
some of this may just be cetting changes you need to make. my mouse still
speaks when moved over the text. so does the arrow keys. this is a desktop
and
win10 and 7.
the mouse usually will not speak things like dialog boxes or pop up messages
in firefox.
it was doing this with win7 but win10 is worse.
***
look in the mouse settings turn off interuptability in  voice set it to
instent  this may be set to echo nothing.
and when mouse  passes over a word this can be set to speak word or line
etc.
i haven't found the option to make the arrow keys speak  text on the screen
yet.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 9:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

This happened occasionally in the past, but a reload of Window-Eyes 9.5.4
usually fixed it. However, now, it seems permanent. The mouse keys read
nothing. The corner keys read their function but nothing else. The arrow
keys read nothing at all-no text is spoken. Unless I can figure out how to
correct this, Window-Eyes 9.5.4 is rapidly becoming extinct.

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RE: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

Thanks for your help. I will consider these options if need be. Go figure.
It is working today. When installing Window-Eyes, I haven't needed to worry
about this. I am aware that in web browsers and some software programs that
the mouse keys don't perform well, but they usually work on the desktop and
in Winamp, for example.

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 11:59 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

did you try useing the emergency removal tool. this is an option from the w
e setup disk. but you should use another synthisizer to do this. it won't
say anything until the removal is complete. about 30 seconds.
***
some of this may just be cetting changes you need to make. my mouse still
speaks when moved over the text. so does the arrow keys. this is a desktop
and
win10 and 7.
the mouse usually will not speak things like dialog boxes or pop up messages
in firefox.
it was doing this with win7 but win10 is worse.
***
look in the mouse settings turn off interuptability in  voice set it to
instent  this may be set to echo nothing.
and when mouse  passes over a word this can be set to speak word or line
etc.
i haven't found the option to make the arrow keys speak  text on the screen
yet.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 9:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

This happened occasionally in the past, but a reload of Window-Eyes 9.5.4
usually fixed it. However, now, it seems permanent. The mouse keys read
nothing. The corner keys read their function but nothing else. The arrow
keys read nothing at all-no text is spoken. Unless I can figure out how to
correct this, Window-Eyes 9.5.4 is rapidly becoming extinct.

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Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

[net bat via Talk]

did you try useing the emergency removal tool. this is an option from the w e 
setup disk. but you should use another synthisizer to do this. it won't say 
anything until the removal is complete. about 30 seconds.

***
some of this may just be cetting changes you need to make. my mouse still 
speaks when moved over the text. so does the arrow keys. this is a desktop and 
win10 and 7.
the mouse usually will not speak things like dialog boxes or pop up messages in 
firefox.

it was doing this with win7 but win10 is worse.
***
look in the mouse settings turn off interuptability
in  voice set it to instent  this may be set to echo nothing.
and when mouse  passes over a word this can be set to speak word or line etc.
i haven't found the option to make the arrow keys speak  text on the screen 
yet.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 9:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

This happened occasionally in the past, but a reload of Window-Eyes 9.5.4
usually fixed it. However, now, it seems permanent. The mouse keys read
nothing. The corner keys read their function but nothing else. The arrow
keys read nothing at all-no text is spoken. Unless I can figure out how to
correct this, Window-Eyes 9.5.4 is rapidly becoming extinct.

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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The other thing Microsoft needs to do is, put back the shutdown sound in 
windows 10.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 9:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

when in the w e control panel open the apps tab notice that all of the apps 
in

the list say they have a pull down.
when you find the windows enhanced it will say pull down. right arrow on it 
and
the sub menus will open. one is toast booloons and run in safe mode. 
pressenter
on run in safe mode to check it. the menu will close. if you want to check 
it
to make sure its been selected open it again and it will say run in safe 
mode

will say it has been checked.
even so it also depends on what sound card you are useing. my motherboard 
has a

realtek sound card built in and it does work in safe mode and windows 7. i
don't know about win 10. the safe mode for win10 is useless as far as i am
concerned.
how do you boot into safe mode if win10 will not boot? wake up microsoft.
f8 with win10 is disabled. there is a way to re activate the f8 startup keys
but it doesn't allways work and you need a usb headphone or speakers to get 
the

narrator speech to work.

-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 3:12 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

Please pardon a stupid question. I do have windows enhanced on my
Windows 10 system. In Netbat's message, he refers to a dropdown list.
Specifically, where do I find this dropdown list? The only list I see is
the list of installed apps.


Thanks.


Don Roberts


On 7/19/2019 6:27 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the 
drop down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and 
press enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the 
windows settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you 
have to go back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and 
reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there. Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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RE: Window-eyes enhanced

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Don,

By analogy, you were in the equivalent of the task manager in Windows.
Rather, you needed to be in the Start menu.
Anyway, glad you got where you needed to be. Smile

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: July 22, 2019 9:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Donald L. Roberts 
Subject: Re: Window-eyes enhanced

Thanks so much, Rod.  That worked! Why the process I was following wouldn't 
work is something I don't purport to understand.  I was first opening the 
control panel, then left arrowing to apps amd [ressing enter, then down 
arrowing to app management, down arrowing through the various apps until I came 
to Windows enhanced, at which point I hit enter which kicked me out of the 
control panel. Go figure!


Don Roberts


On 7/22/2019 2:28 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> Starting fresh, you would open the WE control panel using Ctrl-backslash.
> Pressing Alt-A should open the Apps menu.
> Pressing up arrow should bring you to the bottom of the Apps menu, which is 
> ideal since the items on the menu are sorted alphabetically, and so Windows 
> Enhanced would be at or near the bottom.
> In fact, on my Apps menu it is the last entry on the menu, and so, at this 
> point, it should be highlighted on your menu too.
> If not, then either the Windows Enhanced app is not running or is not 
> installed.
> In that case, I would say the easiest solution is to find the Windows 
> Enhanced app package and reinstall it.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  
> On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk
> Sent: July 22, 2019 5:11 PM
> To: /window-eyes 
> Cc: Donald L. Roberts 
> Subject: Window-eyes enhanced
>
> Last week, I inquired how to get to the various options within the 
> window-eyes enhanced app. I saw a message from Butch suggesting I go to the 
> dropdown menu. Another respondent suggested I press right arrow after 
> highlighting the app.
>
>
> Unfortunately, neither of these options worked on my system. So I find myself 
> wondering if I have a problem as I am running Windows 10, 1809, 17767.615.
>
>
> Ideas please.
>
>
> Don Roberts
>
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Re: Window-eyes enhanced

[net bat via Talk]

that takes you to the list of installed apps, weather they are running or not. 
there you can stop,  restart or uninstall each app from the w e program.


-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 6:55 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: Window-eyes enhanced

Thanks so much, Rod.  That worked! Why the process I was following
wouldn't work is something I don't purport to understand.  I was first
opening the control panel, then left arrowing to apps amd [ressing
enter, then down arrowing to app management, down arrowing through the
various apps until I came to Windows enhanced, at which point I hit
enter which kicked me out of the control panel. Go figure!


Don Roberts


On 7/22/2019 2:28 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Don,

Starting fresh, you would open the WE control panel using Ctrl-backslash.
Pressing Alt-A should open the Apps menu.
Pressing up arrow should bring you to the bottom of the Apps menu, which is 
ideal since the items on the menu are sorted alphabetically, and so Windows 
Enhanced would be at or near the bottom.
In fact, on my Apps menu it is the last entry on the menu, and so, at this 
point, it should be highlighted on your menu too.
If not, then either the Windows Enhanced app is not running or is not 
installed.
In that case, I would say the easiest solution is to find the Windows 
Enhanced app package and reinstall it.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: July 22, 2019 5:11 PM
To: /window-eyes 
Cc: Donald L. Roberts 
Subject: Window-eyes enhanced

Last week, I inquired how to get to the various options within the 
window-eyes enhanced app. I saw a message from Butch suggesting I go to the 
dropdown menu. Another respondent suggested I press right arrow after 
highlighting the app.



Unfortunately, neither of these options worked on my system. So I find myself 
wondering if I have a problem as I am running Windows 10, 1809, 17767.615.



Ideas please.


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes enhanced

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

Thanks so much, Rod.  That worked! Why the process I was following 
wouldn't work is something I don't purport to understand.  I was first 
opening the control panel, then left arrowing to apps amd [ressing 
enter, then down arrowing to app management, down arrowing through the 
various apps until I came to Windows enhanced, at which point I hit 
enter which kicked me out of the control panel. Go figure!



Don Roberts


On 7/22/2019 2:28 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Don,

Starting fresh, you would open the WE control panel using Ctrl-backslash.
Pressing Alt-A should open the Apps menu.
Pressing up arrow should bring you to the bottom of the Apps menu, which is 
ideal since the items on the menu are sorted alphabetically, and so Windows 
Enhanced would be at or near the bottom.
In fact, on my Apps menu it is the last entry on the menu, and so, at this 
point, it should be highlighted on your menu too.
If not, then either the Windows Enhanced app is not running or is not installed.
In that case, I would say the easiest solution is to find the Windows Enhanced 
app package and reinstall it.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: July 22, 2019 5:11 PM
To: /window-eyes 
Cc: Donald L. Roberts 
Subject: Window-eyes enhanced

Last week, I inquired how to get to the various options within the window-eyes 
enhanced app. I saw a message from Butch suggesting I go to the dropdown menu. 
Another respondent suggested I press right arrow after highlighting the app.


Unfortunately, neither of these options worked on my system. So I find myself 
wondering if I have a problem as I am running Windows 10, 1809, 17767.615.


Ideas please.


Don Roberts


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RE: Window-eyes enhanced

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Don,

Starting fresh, you would open the WE control panel using Ctrl-backslash.
Pressing Alt-A should open the Apps menu.
Pressing up arrow should bring you to the bottom of the Apps menu, which is 
ideal since the items on the menu are sorted alphabetically, and so Windows 
Enhanced would be at or near the bottom.
In fact, on my Apps menu it is the last entry on the menu, and so, at this 
point, it should be highlighted on your menu too.
If not, then either the Windows Enhanced app is not running or is not installed.
In that case, I would say the easiest solution is to find the Windows Enhanced 
app package and reinstall it.

Hth,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: July 22, 2019 5:11 PM
To: /window-eyes 
Cc: Donald L. Roberts 
Subject: Window-eyes enhanced

Last week, I inquired how to get to the various options within the window-eyes 
enhanced app. I saw a message from Butch suggesting I go to the dropdown menu. 
Another respondent suggested I press right arrow after highlighting the app.


Unfortunately, neither of these options worked on my system. So I find myself 
wondering if I have a problem as I am running Windows 10, 1809, 17767.615.


Ideas please.


Don Roberts


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[net bat via Talk]

when in the w e control panel open the apps tab notice that all of the apps in 
the list say they have a pull down.
when you find the windows enhanced it will say pull down. right arrow on it and 
the sub menus will open. one is toast booloons and run in safe mode. pressenter 
on run in safe mode to check it. the menu will close. if you want to check it 
to make sure its been selected open it again and it will say run in safe mode 
will say it has been checked.
even so it also depends on what sound card you are useing. my motherboard has a 
realtek sound card built in and it does work in safe mode and windows 7. i 
don't know about win 10. the safe mode for win10 is useless as far as i am 
concerned.

how do you boot into safe mode if win10 will not boot? wake up microsoft.
f8 with win10 is disabled. there is a way to re activate the f8 startup keys 
but it doesn't allways work and you need a usb headphone or speakers to get the 
narrator speech to work.


-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 3:12 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

Please pardon a stupid question. I do have windows enhanced on my
Windows 10 system. In Netbat's message, he refers to a dropdown list.
Specifically, where do I find this dropdown list? The only list I see is
the list of installed apps.


Thanks.


Don Roberts


On 7/19/2019 6:27 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop 
down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there. Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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RE: window-eyes in safe mode

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Thanks, Butch. Smile

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: July 20, 2019 9:38 PM
To: net bat via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

Another way to get into safe mode is to use msconfig if you can get into 
windows.  I did some looking on line and found a .reg file that turns sound on 
for nvda, so I assume this should work with w e as well, although it is built 
into w e.  The file is Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip
It is on shellworld.
It is a reg file.
To get the file you want, go to the link below and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen


On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat
via Talk wrote:

> what windows version?
> first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. 
> arrow up once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the 
> list open the drop down menu and check run in safe mode.
>
> if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and 
> press enter. there is no speech for these menus.
> windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the 
> windows settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program 
> you have to go back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and 
> reboot.
> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Cc: Butch Bussen
> Subject: window-eyes in safe mode
>
> I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed 
> avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there 
> was a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  
> Is it f 7 or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Another way to get into safe mode is to use msconfig if you can get into 
windows.  I did some looking on line and found a .reg file that turns 
sound on for nvda, so I assume this should work with w e as well, 
although it is built into w e.  The file is

Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip
It is on shellworld.
It is a reg file.
To get the file you want, go to the link below
and hit enter on that file.

http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb

Butch Bussen


On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat 
via Talk wrote:



what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop 
down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Carol Smith via Talk]

Hi,

All I did was press enter on Windows enhanced and the list showed up.

Carol


On 7/20/2019 6:12 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Please pardon a stupid question. I do have windows enhanced on my 
Windows 10 system. In Netbat's message, he refers to a dropdown list. 
Specifically, where do I find this dropdown list? The only list I see 
is the list of installed apps.



Thanks.


Don Roberts


On 7/19/2019 6:27 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. 
arrow up once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the 
list open the drop down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and 
press enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the 
windows settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the 
program you have to go back to the settings to turn off the boot in 
safe mode and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking 
there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there. Is it 
f 7

or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

Please pardon a stupid question. I do have windows enhanced on my 
Windows 10 system. In Netbat's message, he refers to a dropdown list. 
Specifically, where do I find this dropdown list? The only list I see is 
the list of installed apps.



Thanks.


Don Roberts


On 7/19/2019 6:27 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. 
arrow up once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the 
list open the drop down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and 
press enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the 
windows settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program 
you have to go back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode 
and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there 
was

a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there. Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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RE: window-eyes in safe mode

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Butch. NVDA works in Safemode too. What WE is doing is it has
installed a reg file that works in safe mode that works with all screen
readers. I'm not sure where you can get this registry file but if you google
it you should be able to find it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 8:30 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

Thanks, that did the trick.  Once in safe mode, I deleted the avast 
folder.  I also ran msconfig and unchecked it in the startup tab.  Once 
back in normal windows, be sure you tell msconfig to start in normal 
mode, I went to add remove prograams.  Avast was still listed, but when 
I tried to uninstall it, it failed of course and asked me if I wanted it 
removed from the list.  Sure glad we works in safe mode.  Thanks again 
for everyone's help.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat via Talk wrote:

> what windows version?
> first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up

> once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the
drop 
> down menu and check run in safe mode.
>
> if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and
press 
> enter. there is no speech for these menus.
> windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the
windows 
> settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to
go 
> back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.
> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Cc: Butch Bussen
> Subject: window-eyes in safe mode
>
> I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
> avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
> a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
> or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Thanks, that did the trick.  Once in safe mode, I deleted the avast 
folder.  I also ran msconfig and unchecked it in the startup tab.  Once 
back in normal windows, be sure you tell msconfig to start in normal 
mode, I went to add remove prograams.  Avast was still listed, but when 
I tried to uninstall it, it failed of course and asked me if I wanted it 
removed from the list.  Sure glad we works in safe mode.  Thanks again 
for everyone's help.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat via Talk wrote:


what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop 
down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

THanks, I'll give this a try.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.



btw, it is seven.
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat via Talk wrote:


what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop 
down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

same situation here, thought I remembered it right, and it is on a dell.

Maybe I'll dig out a double talk if I can find mine.
BTW, win 7 32 bit.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Sat, 20 Jul 2019, 
David wrote:



Was in a similar situation lately, having Avast installing itself as
part of some bundled update. For everyone's record, Win7 64Bit, though I
see that of little help in this regard.


I too would have liked to go into safe mode,and perform the Avast
removal from there. Obviously, when you turn on your computer, keep
pressing repeatedly, and rapidly on the F8. Then the Loading screen of
your system should come up, and if memory serves me right you would have
to press once on the Down-Arrow, followed by Enter. Windows should now
launch in Safe Mode.


Once launched, you are supposed to press the Alt-Ctrl-W, to have WinEyes
loading. I tried, but had no luck. I tried to press the hotkeys for
NVDA, or Jaws, hoping that either of the screen readers would talk to
me. But apparently my built-in sound card on my Dell computer, does not
support Safe Mode, and from what I was told, you then would be out of luck.


So, how did I get rid of Avast? If you are on Win7, you could go to the
Programs And Features, and try to uninstall Avast from there. OK, that
screen does not talk much, and you can try operate the buttons on the
screen as much as you want, it won't help you.


In WinEyes, there is an app named Virtual View. It did, far as I
remember, come as part of the standard installation. If not, you might
see if anyone on the list could drop you a copy. Jaws has its OCR
feature, that will perform much the same. They both will try to perform
an OCR on your screen, and then present you with a textual version of
the contents. Along with some means of pressing the buttons on the
screen. That is, you press the buttons in the OCR screen, and it will
fly the message over to the Avast Uninstaller, as if you had pressed the
buttons directly there.


What happened in my case,was that Jaws would read the screen far better
than WinEyes, but I only could presse the buttons through the use of
Virtual View in WinEyes. Meaning, I needed have both WinEyes and Jaws
launched at the same time. This was not easy, and took me considerable
time to figure how to manage two screen readers - and their cooperation
- at the same time as I was trying to figure the uninstall process itself.


Thing is, Avast won't just let you uninstall. It first want to know Why,
and if you are Sure, even if you are going to Install Again, or if you
would like to Recommend the software to others. Having clicked some
buttons, and I do think there was a couple of Checkboxes, Avast finally
gives up on you, and dig itself out of the system.


Be forewarned though. It does not do a too good job in cleaning up the
traces in your registry, so chances are that a Registry cleansing would
be your next wanting.


Before anyone have chance to ask the next question, here is the answer.

Isn't there an Uninstaller for Avast, that can be run outside the
Programs An Features? Sure, just go on the net and search for remove
Avast, and you will find it. Yet, I do not know if you really want to go
that extra mile. You end up with pretty much the same screens, and just
as little chance to perfomr the uninstallation without two eyes.


Once upon a time, Avast was very accessible, and I used it on my system.
That system got a malware, that Avast had overlooked. And when I tried
to install Avast on my recovered system, it was no longer accessible at
all, and never have been ever since. At least, I have tried it with
WinEyes, NVDA and Jaws, WinXP as well as Win7, to absolutely no avail.
What's more, several pieces of software now aday, come bundled with
Avast, some of them either installing it without asking your permission,
or presenting you with a non-accessible checkbox for determining if
Avast should be installed. Like in the case with CCleaner, who does ask,
but you won't know whether the checkbox is on or off.


Sorry lengthy message, and that I cannot be of much more help. Struggled
several days in figuring my way out of a hard-spot, but somehow managed.
Best thing would be, if you could have two eyes assist you.


And, by all means, make sure you are logged on to the system with
*Adninistrator priveleges.


David

On 7/20/2019 1:57 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there
was a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there. 
Is it f 7 or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[net bat via Talk]

what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up once 
to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop down 
menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.
-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[David via Talk]

Was in a similar situation lately, having Avast installing itself as 
part of some bundled update. For everyone's record, Win7 64Bit, though I 
see that of little help in this regard.


I too would have liked to go into safe mode,and perform the Avast 
removal from there. Obviously, when you turn on your computer, keep 
pressing repeatedly, and rapidly on the F8. Then the Loading screen of 
your system should come up, and if memory serves me right you would have 
to press once on the Down-Arrow, followed by Enter. Windows should now 
launch in Safe Mode.


Once launched, you are supposed to press the Alt-Ctrl-W, to have WinEyes 
loading. I tried, but had no luck. I tried to press the hotkeys for 
NVDA, or Jaws, hoping that either of the screen readers would talk to 
me. But apparently my built-in sound card on my Dell computer, does not 
support Safe Mode, and from what I was told, you then would be out of luck.


So, how did I get rid of Avast? If you are on Win7, you could go to the 
Programs And Features, and try to uninstall Avast from there. OK, that 
screen does not talk much, and you can try operate the buttons on the 
screen as much as you want, it won't help you.


In WinEyes, there is an app named Virtual View. It did, far as I 
remember, come as part of the standard installation. If not, you might 
see if anyone on the list could drop you a copy. Jaws has its OCR 
feature, that will perform much the same. They both will try to perform 
an OCR on your screen, and then present you with a textual version of 
the contents. Along with some means of pressing the buttons on the 
screen. That is, you press the buttons in the OCR screen, and it will 
fly the message over to the Avast Uninstaller, as if you had pressed the 
buttons directly there.


What happened in my case,was that Jaws would read the screen far better 
than WinEyes, but I only could presse the buttons through the use of 
Virtual View in WinEyes. Meaning, I needed have both WinEyes and Jaws 
launched at the same time. This was not easy, and took me considerable 
time to figure how to manage two screen readers - and their cooperation 
- at the same time as I was trying to figure the uninstall process itself.


Thing is, Avast won't just let you uninstall. It first want to know Why, 
and if you are Sure, even if you are going to Install Again, or if you 
would like to Recommend the software to others. Having clicked some 
buttons, and I do think there was a couple of Checkboxes, Avast finally 
gives up on you, and dig itself out of the system.


Be forewarned though. It does not do a too good job in cleaning up the 
traces in your registry, so chances are that a Registry cleansing would 
be your next wanting.


Before anyone have chance to ask the next question, here is the answer.

Isn't there an Uninstaller for Avast, that can be run outside the 
Programs An Features? Sure, just go on the net and search for remove 
Avast, and you will find it. Yet, I do not know if you really want to go 
that extra mile. You end up with pretty much the same screens, and just 
as little chance to perfomr the uninstallation without two eyes.


Once upon a time, Avast was very accessible, and I used it on my system. 
That system got a malware, that Avast had overlooked. And when I tried 
to install Avast on my recovered system, it was no longer accessible at 
all, and never have been ever since. At least, I have tried it with 
WinEyes, NVDA and Jaws, WinXP as well as Win7, to absolutely no avail. 
What's more, several pieces of software now aday, come bundled with 
Avast, some of them either installing it without asking your permission, 
or presenting you with a non-accessible checkbox for determining if 
Avast should be installed. Like in the case with CCleaner, who does ask, 
but you won't know whether the checkbox is on or off.


Sorry lengthy message, and that I cannot be of much more help. Struggled 
several days in figuring my way out of a hard-spot, but somehow managed. 
Best thing would be, if you could have two eyes assist you.


And, by all means, make sure you are logged on to the system with 
*Adninistrator priveleges.


David

On 7/20/2019 1:57 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed 
> avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there 
> was a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  
> Is it f 7 or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Tom,  I did find the wediag package and installed it.  The version 
that shows on my system is 1.2.9.

On 7/16/2019 12:15 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
> I just checked and have this as well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 2:48 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Rod Hutton 
> Subject: RE: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Having checked my system, I have an Apps menu choice named Diagnostics which 
> is also the name of the associated Window-Eyes app.
> The version I have is 1.2.7.
> My installation package of WE 9.5.4 retail included this app.
> Perhaps someone on this list has the separate app and can make it available 
> for you on DropBox or simply email it to you.
> The filename of the Diagnostics app is wediag.wepm.
> I do have a separate copy of this app, but it is only version 1.2.5, and I 
> think you would be better with the most recent version.
> However, if you would like it, I can put it in my DropBox.
>
> All the best,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 3:08 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under the 
> apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.
>
> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>>
>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order 
>> to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to 
>> move around in.
>> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE 
>> control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics 
>> menu.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE
>> cotrol panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.
>> What do you think?  I have show advanced options checked under the
>> help menu.  Bernie
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>
>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
>>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
>>> repair the licence for your Office suite.
>>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
>>> See if this helps.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> 
>>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>
>>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
>>> certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found
>>> that indeed it has expired.  then I found another installation file
>>> for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after checking that its
>>> certificate had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2
>>> installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4
>>> installed.  However, I am still having the issue that WE runs only in
>>> demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions for how to get WE into
>>> normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>>>
>>>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>>>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
>>>> problem, not retail.
>>>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file f

Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Yes, many times.  Because WE is running in demo mode, I have to reboot 
often.  Just turned on the machine today and got the same three beeps 
which I think means that We video driver is not attached. Not sure how 
to fix that one.

On 7/15/2019 11:59 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Have you rebooted your system?
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 9:36 PM
> To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> HI to all of you who have responded in an attempt to help me with the WE 
> issue.  thanks to you, I found the wediag package, installed it, and sure 
> enough, now diagnostics shows up under the apps menu in the WE control panel. 
>  However, I clicked on several of the options and We hung up but could not 
> read the screen so don't know what the problem is. Also, now I have noticed 
> that upon WE start, I hear 3 short beeps immediately after the WE startup 
> sound.  After some checking I found that the WE video driver is not 
> associated.  This issue has been occurring several times this afternoon but 
> didn't occur before that. Under the diagnostics option I clicked repair video 
> driver and We hung up. Any additional suggestions are welcomed.  Thanks to 
> all again. Bernie
>
> On 7/15/2019 7:50 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
>> I think the app you are talking about is W E Diags.
>>
>>
>> Don Roberts
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 12:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:
>>> For whatever it is worth.
>>>
>>>
>>> First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things
>>> are different in the Office version.
>>>
>>>
>>> Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and
>>> check the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" 
>>> choice.
>>>
>>>
>>> What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did
>>> exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case,
>>> maybe you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose
>>> choice under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of
>>> us see it as a selection on our systems.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then again, this was pulled from memory.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but
>>>> under the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going 
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt
>>>>> in order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press
>>>>> the arrow keys to move around in.
>>>>> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
>>>>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the
>>>>> WE control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
>>>>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the
>>>>> Diagnostics menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>>  On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
>>>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE
>>>>> cotrol panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.
>>>>> What do you think?  I have show advanced options checked under the
>>>>> help menu.  Bernie
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should
>>>>>> find an option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>>>>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>>>>>> In that men

RE: Window eyes issue

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I just checked and have this as well.

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf 
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 2:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: Window eyes issue

Hi Bernie,

Having checked my system, I have an Apps menu choice named Diagnostics which is 
also the name of the associated Window-Eyes app.
The version I have is 1.2.7.
My installation package of WE 9.5.4 retail included this app.
Perhaps someone on this list has the separate app and can make it available for 
you on DropBox or simply email it to you.
The filename of the Diagnostics app is wediag.wepm.
I do have a separate copy of this app, but it is only version 1.2.5, and I 
think you would be better with the most recent version.
However, if you would like it, I can put it in my DropBox.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 3:08 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under the 
apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.

On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order 
> to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to 
> move around in.
> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE control 
> panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics 
> menu.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE 
> cotrol panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.
> What do you think?  I have show advanced options checked under the 
> help menu.  Bernie
>
> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>>
>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
>> repair the licence for your Office suite.
>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
>> See if this helps.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> 
>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the 
>> certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found 
>> that indeed it has expired.  then I found another installation file 
>> for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after checking that its 
>> certificate had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 
>> installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 
>> installed.  However, I am still having the issue that WE runs only in 
>> demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions for how to get WE into 
>> normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>>
>>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
>>> problem, not retail.
>>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
>>> for Office 9.5.4.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> 
>>> On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Loy Green 
>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>
>>> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix 
>>> a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE

RE: Window eyes issue

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Bernie,

Have you rebooted your system?

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 9:36 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

HI to all of you who have responded in an attempt to help me with the WE issue. 
 thanks to you, I found the wediag package, installed it, and sure enough, now 
diagnostics shows up under the apps menu in the WE control panel.  However, I 
clicked on several of the options and We hung up but could not read the screen 
so don't know what the problem is. Also, now I have noticed that upon WE start, 
I hear 3 short beeps immediately after the WE startup sound.  After some 
checking I found that the WE video driver is not associated.  This issue has 
been occurring several times this afternoon but didn't occur before that. Under 
the diagnostics option I clicked repair video driver and We hung up. Any 
additional suggestions are welcomed.  Thanks to all again. Bernie

On 7/15/2019 7:50 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
> I think the app you are talking about is W E Diags.
>
>
> Don Roberts
>
>
> On 7/15/2019 12:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:
>> For whatever it is worth.
>>
>>
>> First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things 
>> are different in the Office version.
>>
>>
>> Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and 
>> check the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" choice.
>>
>>
>> What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did 
>> exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case, 
>> maybe you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose 
>> choice under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of 
>> us see it as a selection on our systems.
>>
>>
>> Then again, this was pulled from memory.
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but 
>>> under the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>
>>>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt 
>>>> in order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press 
>>>> the arrow keys to move around in.
>>>> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
>>>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the 
>>>> WE control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
>>>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the 
>>>> Diagnostics menu.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>>  On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
>>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE 
>>>> cotrol panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.
>>>> What do you think?  I have show advanced options checked under the 
>>>> help menu.  Bernie
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should 
>>>>> find an option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>>>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>>>>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help 
>>>>> diagnose and repair the licence for your Office suite.
>>>>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of 
>>>>> demo mode.
>>>>> See if this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>>>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>>&g

Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI to all of you who have responded in an attempt to help me with the WE 
issue.  thanks to you, I found the wediag package, installed it, and 
sure enough, now diagnostics shows up under the apps menu in the WE 
control panel.  However, I clicked on several of the options and We hung 
up but could not read the screen so don't know what the problem is.  
Also, now I have noticed that upon WE start, I hear 3 short beeps 
immediately after the WE startup sound.  After some checking I found 
that the WE video driver is not associated.  This issue has been 
occurring several times this afternoon but didn't occur before that.  
Under the diagnostics option I clicked repair video driver and We hung 
up. Any additional suggestions are welcomed.  Thanks to all again. Bernie

On 7/15/2019 7:50 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
> I think the app you are talking about is W E Diags.
>
>
> Don Roberts
>
>
> On 7/15/2019 12:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:
>> For whatever it is worth.
>>
>>
>> First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things
>> are different in the Office version.
>>
>>
>> Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and check
>> the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" choice.
>>
>>
>> What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did
>> exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case, maybe
>> you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose choice
>> under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of us see it
>> as a selection on our systems.
>>
>>
>> Then again, this was pulled from memory.
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under
>>> the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>
>>>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt 
>>>> in order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press 
>>>> the arrow keys to move around in.
>>>> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
>>>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the 
>>>> WE control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
>>>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the 
>>>> Diagnostics menu.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk 
>>>>  On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
>>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE 
>>>> cotrol panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  
>>>> What do you think?  I have show advanced options checked under the 
>>>> help menu.  Bernie
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should 
>>>>> find an option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>>>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>>>>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help 
>>>>> diagnose and repair the licence for your Office suite.
>>>>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of 
>>>>> demo mode.
>>>>> See if this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>>>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>>>>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
>&

Re: Window eyes issue

[Donald L. Roberts via Talk]

I think the app you are talking about is W E Diags.


Don Roberts


On 7/15/2019 12:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:

For whatever it is worth.


First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things
are different in the Office version.


Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and check
the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" choice.


What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did
exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case, maybe
you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose choice
under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of us see it
as a selection on our systems.


Then again, this was pulled from memory.



David

On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under
the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.

On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order to 
open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to move 
around in.
Apps is definitely one of the menus.
Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE control 
panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics menu.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE cotrol panel 
but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  What do you think?  I 
have show advanced options checked under the help menu.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an option 
called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and repair 
the licence for your Office suite.
You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
See if this helps.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found
that indeed it has expired.  then I found another installation file
for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after checking that its certificate
had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used
my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am
still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking
for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks
again to those who have responded.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Loy and Bernie,

Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the fact 
that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, not 
retail.
In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes for 
Office 9.5.4.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk

On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office version.

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Re: Window eyes issue

[Loy Green via Talk]

I just searched for the app on my system and also found it and installed it 
and then a screen came up with a newer version. Now it shows up under apps.
- Original Message - 
From: "David via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "David" 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue



Sometimes, even an old memory still serves.


The app is named WEDiag, and I did find an older version on my system,
of the .wepm file. I still decided to install it, and it did so with no
further issues.


But would you believe it? After a few seconds, a message popped up on
the screen - informing me that a newer version is available. I accepted
for it to install, and right away an update was downloaded and got
installed.


Even if we cannot get to the App Central any longer, somehow it seems
the servers might still be lingering anywhere out there on Cyberspace.
Smiles.


And yes, immediately upon installing, there the Diagnose meny appeared
under the App menu, and here you will find tools for Office.


The app apparently was part of the distribution package of the screen
reader, so chances are that it might be on your system already. Try
searching the whole computer - usually by hitting Win-key in combination
with the F (for Find). Then type into the search box:

 wediag.wepm

and hit Enter. If it is on your system, you will see it appearing in the
listbox of the screen, in only a few seconds. Once focused, simply press
Enter on it, and follow instructions.


If not, let me know your mail address, and I will send you my copy.


David

On 7/15/2019 9:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:

For whatever it is worth.


First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things
are different in the Office version.


Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and check
the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" choice.


What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did
exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case, maybe
you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose choice
under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of us see it
as a selection on our systems.


Then again, this was pulled from memory.



David

On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Rod, I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under
the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item. Not sure what is going on.

On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in 
order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow 
keys to move around in.

Apps is definitely one of the menus.
Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE 
control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the 
Diagnostics menu.


Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  
On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk

Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi Rod, thank you for your help so far. I tried going to the WE cotrol 
panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu. What do you 
think? I have show advanced options checked under the help menu. Bernie


On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.

In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose 
and repair the licence for your Office suite.
You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo 
mode.

See if this helps.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
certificate has been revoked. I checked the certificate and found
that indeed it has expired. then I found another installation file
for WE 9.2.0. I did run that file after checking that its certificate
had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed. Then used
my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed. However, I am
still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode. Still looking
for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation. Thnks
again to those who have responded. Bernie

On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Loy and Bernie,

Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked 
the fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for 

Re: Window eyes issue

[David via Talk]

Sometimes, even an old memory still serves.


The app is named WEDiag, and I did find an older version on my system, 
of the .wepm file. I still decided to install it, and it did so with no 
further issues.


But would you believe it? After a few seconds, a message popped up on 
the screen - informing me that a newer version is available. I accepted 
for it to install, and right away an update was downloaded and got 
installed.


Even if we cannot get to the App Central any longer, somehow it seems 
the servers might still be lingering anywhere out there on Cyberspace. 
Smiles.


And yes, immediately upon installing, there the Diagnose meny appeared 
under the App menu, and here you will find tools for Office.


The app apparently was part of the distribution package of the screen 
reader, so chances are that it might be on your system already. Try 
searching the whole computer - usually by hitting Win-key in combination 
with the F (for Find). Then type into the search box:

     wediag.wepm

and hit Enter. If it is on your system, you will see it appearing in the 
listbox of the screen, in only a few seconds. Once focused, simply press 
Enter on it, and follow instructions.


If not, let me know your mail address, and I will send you my copy.


David

On 7/15/2019 9:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> For whatever it is worth.
>
>
> First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things
> are different in the Office version.
>
>
> Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and check
> the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" choice.
>
>
> What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did
> exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case, maybe
> you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose choice
> under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of us see it
> as a selection on our systems.
>
>
> Then again, this was pulled from memory.
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under
>> the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>
>>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in 
>>> order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow 
>>> keys to move around in.
>>> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
>>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE 
>>> control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
>>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics 
>>> menu.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk  On 
>>> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>
>>> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE cotrol 
>>> panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  What do you 
>>> think?  I have show advanced options checked under the help menu.  Bernie
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>
>>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
>>>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>>>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
>>>> repair the licence for your Office suite.
>>>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
>>>> See if this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk 
>>>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>>
>>>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>>>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
>>>> certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found
>>>>

RE: Window eyes issue

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Bernie,

Having checked my system, I have an Apps menu choice named Diagnostics which is 
also the name of the associated Window-Eyes app.
The version I have is 1.2.7.
My installation package of WE 9.5.4 retail included this app.
Perhaps someone on this list has the separate app and can make it available for 
you on DropBox or simply email it to you.
The filename of the Diagnostics app is wediag.wepm.
I do have a separate copy of this app, but it is only version 1.2.5, and I 
think you would be better with the most recent version.
However, if you would like it, I can put it in my DropBox.

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 3:08 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under the 
apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.

On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order 
> to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to 
> move around in.
> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE control 
> panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics 
> menu.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  
> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE 
> cotrol panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  
> What do you think?  I have show advanced options checked under the 
> help menu.  Bernie
>
> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>>
>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
>> repair the licence for your Office suite.
>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
>> See if this helps.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> 
>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the 
>> certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found 
>> that indeed it has expired.  then I found another installation file 
>> for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after checking that its 
>> certificate had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 
>> installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 
>> installed.  However, I am still having the issue that WE runs only in 
>> demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions for how to get WE into 
>> normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>>
>>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
>>> problem, not retail.
>>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
>>> for Office 9.5.4.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> 
>>> On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Loy Green 
>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>
>>> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix 
>>> a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
>>> version.
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>>> author and do not necess

Re: Window eyes issue

[Loy Green via Talk]

Diagnostics does not always appear under apps. I have forgotten why. I just 
checked my installation of retail version and it is not there either.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bernie Perella via Talk" 

To: "Rod Hutton via Talk" 
Cc: "Bernie Perella" 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue



Hi Rod, I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under
the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item. Not sure what is going on.

On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in 
order to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow 
keys to move around in.

Apps is definitely one of the menus.
Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE 
control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the 
Diagnostics menu.


Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk

Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi Rod, thank you for your help so far. I tried going to the WE cotrol 
panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu. What do you 
think? I have show advanced options checked under the help menu. Bernie


On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.

In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
repair the licence for your Office suite.
You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo 
mode.

See if this helps.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
certificate has been revoked. I checked the certificate and found
that indeed it has expired. then I found another installation file
for WE 9.2.0. I did run that file after checking that its certificate
had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed. Then used
my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed. However, I am
still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode. Still looking
for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation. Thnks
again to those who have responded. Bernie

On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Loy and Bernie,

Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked 
the fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
problem, not retail.
In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for 
Window-Eyes for Office 9.5.4.


Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk

On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would 
fix a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for 
office version.


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Re: Window eyes issue

[David via Talk]

For whatever it is worth.


First of all, I run a paid-for version of WinEyes, so probably things 
are different in the Office version.


Still, I did - for the fun of it - go to my WE Control Panel, and check 
the Ap menu. Neither on my system, you will find any "Diagnose" choice.


What I could contribute here, if my memory serves me right, there did 
exist an app named something like WEDiagnose. If that is the case, maybe 
you will need this app installed, in order to have the Diagnose choice 
under the menu. And perhaps that will explain why neither of us see it 
as a selection on our systems.


Then again, this was pulled from memory.



David

On 7/15/2019 9:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
> Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under
> the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.
>
> On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>>
>> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order 
>> to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to 
>> move around in.
>> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
>> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE 
>> control panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
>> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics 
>> menu.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk  On 
>> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE cotrol 
>> panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  What do you 
>> think?  I have show advanced options checked under the help menu.  Bernie
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>
>>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
>>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
>>> repair the licence for your Office suite.
>>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
>>> See if this helps.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>
>>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
>>> certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found
>>> that indeed it has expired.  then I found another installation file
>>> for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after checking that its certificate
>>> had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used
>>> my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am
>>> still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking
>>> for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks
>>> again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>>>
>>>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>>>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
>>>> problem, not retail.
>>>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for 
>>>> Window-Eyes for Office 9.5.4.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> 
>>>> On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
>>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
>>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>>> Cc: Loy Green 
>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>>
>>>> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix 
>>>> a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the s

Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Rod,  I have no problem moving around the WE control panel but under 
the apps menu, I find no diagnostics item.  Not sure what is going on.

On 7/15/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order 
> to open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to 
> move around in.
> Apps is definitely one of the menus.
> Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE control 
> panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
> You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics 
> menu.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE cotrol 
> panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  What do you 
> think?  I have show advanced options checked under the help menu.  Bernie
>
> On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>>
>> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an 
>> option called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
>> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
>> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
>> repair the licence for your Office suite.
>> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
>> See if this helps.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
>> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
>> Cc: Bernie Perella 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.
>> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the
>> certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found
>> that indeed it has expired.  then I found another installation file
>> for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after checking that its certificate
>> had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used
>> my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am
>> still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking
>> for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks
>> again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>>
>> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>>
>>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
>>> problem, not retail.
>>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
>>> for Office 9.5.4.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> 
>>> On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
>>> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Loy Green 
>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>>
>>> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix 
>>> a lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
>>> version.
>>>
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>>&g

RE: Window eyes issue

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Bernie,

If you are in the We control panel, you should be able to press Alt in order to 
open a friendly menu which you can then simply press the arrow keys to move 
around in.
Apps is definitely one of the menus.
Also, another way to do it is that when you have simply opened the WE control 
panel, Pressing Alt-A will open the Apps menu.
You can then simply press down arrow several times to find the Diagnostics menu.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE cotrol panel 
but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  What do you think?  I 
have show advanced options checked under the help menu.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an option 
> called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
> repair the licence for your Office suite.
> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
> See if this helps.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  
> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0. 
> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the 
> certificate has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found 
> that indeed it has expired.  then I found another installation file 
> for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after checking that its certificate 
> had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used 
> my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am 
> still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking 
> for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks 
> again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>
> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>
>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, 
>> not retail.
>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
>> for Office 9.5.4.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> 
>> On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Loy Green 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
>> lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
>> version.
>>
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Rod,  thank you for your help so far.  I tried going to the WE cotrol 
panel but there is no diagnostics item under the apps menu.  What do you 
think?  I have show advanced options checked under the help menu.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 11:15 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an option 
> called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
> In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
> In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and 
> repair the licence for your Office suite.
> You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
> See if this helps.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0. However, 
> trying to run that file gives the message that the certificate has been 
> revoked.   I checked the certificate and found that indeed it has expired.  
> then I found another installation file for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file 
> after checking that its certificate had also expired but it did run and I got 
> WE 9.2 installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 
> installed.  However, I am still having the issue that WE runs only in demo 
> mode.  Still looking for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal 
> operation.  Thnks again to those who have responded.  Bernie
>
> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>>
>> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
>> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, 
>> not retail.
>> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
>> for Office 9.5.4.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> On Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
>> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Loy Green 
>> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>>
>> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
>> lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
>> version.
>>
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I had a problem once when my new cd was installed as a demmo.  Doug 
offered to send me a new cd, they had messed up the install somehow, or 
he said I could run my synthesizer authorization program which fixed the 
problem.  I had paid for extra voices as I recall.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 
Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:



Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0. 
However, trying to run that file gives the message that the certificate
has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found that indeed it
has expired.  then I found another installation file for WE 9.2.0.  I
did run that file after checking that its certificate had also expired
but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4
upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am still having the
issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions
for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have
responded.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Loy and Bernie,

Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the fact 
that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, not 
retail.
In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes for 
Office 9.5.4.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office version.

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Re: Window eyes issue

[John Covici via Talk]

Can't you go into diagnostics and do a repair office license or
whatever the menu choice is?

On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:37:11 -0400,
Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.  
> However, trying to run that file gives the message that the certificate 
> has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found that indeed it 
> has expired.  then I found another installation file for WE 9.2.0.  I 
> did run that file after checking that its certificate had also expired 
> but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 
> upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am still having the 
> issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions 
> for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have 
> responded.  Bernie
> 
> On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> > Hi Loy and Bernie,
> >
> > Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
> > fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation 
> > problem, not retail.
> > In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
> > for Office 9.5.4.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Rod
> >
> > Sent from Outlook for Windows
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk  On 
> > Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
> > Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Loy Green 
> > Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
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RE: Window eyes issue

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Bernie,

In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, you should find an option 
called Diagnostics, which is a pull-down menu.
In that pull-down, there's an option called Microsoft Office.
In that menu, there are a number of options which may help diagnose and repair 
the licence for your Office suite.
You must have a good licence in order for Office to run out of demo mode.
See if this helps.

Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 10:37 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0. However, 
trying to run that file gives the message that the certificate has been 
revoked.   I checked the certificate and found that indeed it has expired.  
then I found another installation file for WE 9.2.0.  I did run that file after 
checking that its certificate had also expired but it did run and I got WE 9.2 
installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  
However, I am still having the issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still 
looking for any suggestions for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks 
again to those who have responded.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>
> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, 
> not retail.
> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
> for Office 9.5.4.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Loy Green 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
> lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
> version.
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, As I mentioned, I have a copy of Window-eyes for office 9.5.1.0.  
However, trying to run that file gives the message that the certificate 
has been revoked.   I checked the certificate and found that indeed it 
has expired.  then I found another installation file for WE 9.2.0.  I 
did run that file after checking that its certificate had also expired 
but it did run and I got WE 9.2 installed.  Then used my we 9.5.4 
upgrade file to get WE 9.5.4 installed.  However, I am still having the 
issue that WE runs only in demo mode.  Still looking for any suggestions 
for how to get WE into normal operation.  Thnks again to those who have 
responded.  Bernie

On 7/15/2019 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Loy and Bernie,
>
> Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the 
> fact that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, 
> not retail.
> In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes 
> for Office 9.5.4.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
> Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Loy Green 
> Subject: Re: Window eyes issue
>
> On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
> lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
> version.
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RE: Window eyes issue

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Loy and Bernie,

Okay, silly me.  I wasn't paying close attention, and so I overlooked the fact 
that we're talking about a Window-Eyes for Office installation problem, not 
retail.
In that event, perhaps someone has a full installation file for Window-Eyes for 
Office 9.5.4.

Good luck,

Rod

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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 8:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office version. 

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Re: Window eyes issue

[Loy Green via Talk]

On the retail version doing an emerengcy uninstall and reinstall would fix a 
lot of problems, not sure if it would be the same with a WE for office 
version. 


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RE: Window eyes issue

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Bernie,

It wouldn't hurt to ask vispero if they wouldn't mind bundling up an archive of 
your retail copy of WE 9.5.4.

Good luck,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 14, 2019 5:09 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: Window eyes issue

Hi, thanks for your note.  Actually, I had gone back to an SD card and found 
the file WE for office 9200.  I did install it but when I restarted the system, 
it idicated that WE is a demo copy. I noted that a window appeared indicating a 
check for my account at MS.  No matter what I do, it tells me that it can't ong 
onto my account even though Windows has no problem doing it.

I then used my file we for office 9400 upgrade to upgrade the WE and when that 
was finished I restarted the system with the same result when WE started.  Any 
ideas how I can get WE out of demo mode.  Before all this began, I was running 
WE 9.4 and not in demo mode.  Unfortunately, I was having some problemms with 
my system and believing they were hardware related, I took the computer to a 
place I trusted and they said the hardware was fine but that Windows was 
corrupted.  Unfortunately, I made a hastey decision to let them reinstall 
Windows and now I have had to reinstall all my apps, WE being one of them.   
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.  Thanks Bernie

On 7/14/2019 3:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Please note that if you're trying to install on Windows 10, you must at least 
> have WE 9.2.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  
> On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 13, 2019 2:24 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Window eyes issue
>
> HI, I am wondering if FS has now completely put the ax to Windoweyes. 
> Recently I had to reinstall Windows onto my Toshiba laptop.  As a 
> result, I had to reinstall my apps, Windoweyes being one of them.  I 
> have a valid copy of MS Office 2016 home and student.  I also have an 
> installation copy of WindowEyesForOfficeEnglish9510.exe and the update 
> file for we 954.  When I first tried to reinstall the we 9.1.0 it 
> appeared to work but things didn't seem right.  I uninstalled WE and 
> when I tried to run the we 9.1.0.exe file again, I received a message 
> that an administrator has blocked the file.  I checked the 
> properties/certificates and found that the certificate had been 
> explicitly revoked.  So, the questio is:  have certificates for We 
> installation files been revoked so that once a user needs to reinstall 
> their copy of WE, they are now dead in the water? thanks for any help. 
> Bernie
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Re: Window eyes issue

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, thanks for your note.  Actually, I had gone back to an SD card and 
found the file WE for office 9200.  I did install it but when I 
restarted the system, it idicated that WE is a demo copy. I noted that a 
window appeared indicating a check for my account at MS.  No matter what 
I do, it tells me that it can't ong onto my account even though Windows 
has no problem doing it.

I then used my file we for office 9400 upgrade to upgrade the WE and 
when that was finished I restarted the system with the same result when 
WE started.  Any ideas how I can get WE out of demo mode.  Before all 
this began, I was running WE 9.4 and not in demo mode.  Unfortunately, I 
was having some problemms with my system and believing they were 
hardware related, I took the computer to a place I trusted and they said 
the hardware was fine but that Windows was corrupted.  Unfortunately, I 
made a hastey decision to let them reinstall Windows and now I have had 
to reinstall all my apps, WE being one of them.   Any help or 
suggestions are appreciated.  Thanks Bernie

On 7/14/2019 3:39 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Please note that if you're trying to install on Windows 10, you must at least 
> have WE 9.2.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rod
>
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
> Sent: July 13, 2019 2:24 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Bernie Perella 
> Subject: Window eyes issue
>
> HI, I am wondering if FS has now completely put the ax to Windoweyes. 
> Recently I had to reinstall Windows onto my Toshiba laptop.  As a result, I 
> had to reinstall my apps, Windoweyes being one of them.  I have a valid copy 
> of MS Office 2016 home and student.  I also have an installation copy of 
> WindowEyesForOfficeEnglish9510.exe and the update file for we 954.  When I 
> first tried to reinstall the we 9.1.0 it appeared to work but things didn't 
> seem right.  I uninstalled WE and when I tried to run the we 9.1.0.exe file 
> again, I received a message that an administrator has blocked the file.  I 
> checked the properties/certificates and found that the certificate had been 
> explicitly revoked.  So, the questio is:  have certificates for We 
> installation files been revoked so that once a user needs to reinstall their 
> copy of WE, they are now dead in the water? thanks for any help. Bernie
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RE: Window eyes issue

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Bernie,

Please note that if you're trying to install on Windows 10, you must at least 
have WE 9.2.

Good luck,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: July 13, 2019 2:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Window eyes issue

HI, I am wondering if FS has now completely put the ax to Windoweyes. Recently 
I had to reinstall Windows onto my Toshiba laptop.  As a result, I had to 
reinstall my apps, Windoweyes being one of them.  I have a valid copy of MS 
Office 2016 home and student.  I also have an installation copy of 
WindowEyesForOfficeEnglish9510.exe and the update file for we 954.  When I 
first tried to reinstall the we 9.1.0 it appeared to work but things didn't 
seem right.  I uninstalled WE and when I tried to run the we 9.1.0.exe file 
again, I received a message that an administrator has blocked the file.  I 
checked the properties/certificates and found that the certificate had been 
explicitly revoked.  So, the questio is:  have certificates for We installation 
files been revoked so that once a user needs to reinstall their copy of WE, 
they are now dead in the water? thanks for any help. Bernie

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Re: Window eyes issue

[David via Talk]

There was a re-certification of Window-Eyes, just a few months prior to 
its being discontinued. Unless you have the latest installation files at 
hand, meaning 9.54 from the spring of the discontinuation, I am not sure 
you can do much.


Of course, it might be worth to get in touch with FS, and see if they 
might still be able to hand out a copy. Or, maybe someone has the latest 
WE For Office installation file hanging around, and could provide it to 
you.


To what extend the Office version of the screen reader still will 
install, or if Microsoft has pulled the plug completely, I would not be 
the one to tell. Others, running that version of WE, will have to give 
their info on the matter.


David

On 7/13/2019 8:23 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
> HI, I am wondering if FS has now completely put the ax to Windoweyes.
> Recently I had to reinstall Windows onto my Toshiba laptop.  As a
> result, I had to reinstall my apps, Windoweyes being one of them.  I
> have a valid copy of MS Office 2016 home and student.  I also have an
> installation copy of WindowEyesForOfficeEnglish9510.exe and the update
> file for we 954.  When I first tried to reinstall the we 9.1.0 it
> appeared to work but things didn't seem right.  I uninstalled WE and
> when I tried to run the we 9.1.0.exe file again, I received a message
> that an administrator has blocked the file.  I checked the
> properties/certificates and found that the certificate had been
> explicitly revoked.  So, the questio is:  have certificates for We
> installation files been revoked so that once a user needs to reinstall
> their copy of WE, they are now dead in the water? thanks for any help.
> Bernie
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Re: window eyes changed to demo

[peter Chin via Talk]

If anyone wants the WE for Office, I could put it in my Dropbox and send the 
link to this list.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: window eyes changed to demo

Hi,

I've been using Window-Eyes retail for years.
The only time I found my installed copy of Window-Eyes becoming a demo 
version was when I was re-installing Window-Eyes by using incremental 
upgrade packages.
One time, when I tried an experiment, and upgraded version 7.0 to 8.0, it 
turned into a demo.
Indeed, even when I upgraded to the next version, i.e., 8.4, it would not go 
out of demo mode.
This confused me, and yet there was no alternative for me but to completely 
uninstall Window-Eyes and then re-install all the incremental packages.
I don't believed I used the Removal Tool, which is on every CD, and note 
that you must use the version of the Removal Tool for the version of 
Window-Eyes you are uninstalling.
I do believe, as I say, that I simply uninstalled Window-Eyes from 
Add/Remove Programs, rebooted, and then installed all the incremental 
packages in the proper sequence.
If you're running Windows 10, you can't even install Window-Eyes unless you 
have at least 9.2.
In that event, you could try to use each of them in the proper sequence, in 
order to finally arrive at 9.5.4.
What makes me dubious is that even 9.5.4 had an upgrade to a version with 
the same number and yet it had a renewed licence which had recently expired.
To make a long story short, I think you'll need a zip archive containing the 
final fully-licenced 9.5.4.

This would be either Window-Eyes for Office or a retail version.
A recent google search reveals that the former is no longer available at 
http://www.windoweyesforoffice.com

The latter may be available from a good Samaritan. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod

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Sent: May 29, 2019 8:22 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Ron or Susan Denis 
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo

It is a privately owned copy of we and not the free version.  It may be that 
there  is no simple solution to thiss problem.  Ron Denis




-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 3:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo

Was it a Windows Eyes for Office or a copy  purchased?


- Original Message - 
From: "Ron or Susan Denis via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Ron or Susan Denis" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: window eyes changed to demo



my old netbook suddwnly changed from full model to demo. tried to register
and was told file does not exist.   open to any suggestions of how to
regain registered status.
Ron Denis
rs_de...@bellsouth.net
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS key
is
the Insert key.
A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
action.
Insert-T: Read title bar.
Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in
Window-Eyes.
Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
six-pack that are to the left of it.
Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what the
current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you will
be
productive.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen