RE: whole migrating situation

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Yep they are a pain.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: 21 May 2017 11:45
To: Steve Nutt via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Last November I had an issue where those virtual ribbons got in the way of
Braille output.

We turned them off and the display worked as it should.
I can't remember the specifics of the situation  but do know turning them
off restored functionality.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
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https://www.MysticAccess.com
Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while 
actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio 
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 Original Message 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:12 AM EST
To: 'Dennis Long'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: whole migrating situation

Hi,

Actually I think those virtual ribbons get in the way, because they disable
Microsoft's shortcuts.

For example, if you want to update Office, you can just press alt, then F,
then D, then R, then you're in the updates window.  But try that with
virtual ribbons turned on.

I recommend learning the Office interface.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 19:55
To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)' <rkur...@schools.nyc.gov>; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys
(for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so
probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but
others need far more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have
to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or
commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen
readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application
keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck
to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a
window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge

RE: whole migrating situation

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree with Chris people need to listen to the podcast.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:46 AM
To: Steve Nutt via Talk
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

And according to the podcast where they talk about Window-eyes, it was said
JAWS 18 will in July.



Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
https://www.MysticAccess.com
Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while 
actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio 
tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer 
eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter 
containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free 
downloads, and so much more.
Contact:
Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)
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 Original Message 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:11 AM EST
To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: whole migrating situation

NVDA works with Edge.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 19:36
To: Darrell Bowles <dgbow...@msn.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys
(for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so
probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but
others need far more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have
to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or
commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen
readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application
keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck
to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a
window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or
chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think
I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where
are the cheat sheets that
   c
   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek.
All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that
you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with
Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to
help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should
be trained with all screne readers.
___
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Chris G via Talk]

And according to the podcast where they talk about Window-eyes, it was 
said JAWS 18 will in July.




Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
https://www.MysticAccess.com
Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while 
actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio 
tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer 
eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter 
containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free 
downloads, and so much more.

   Contact:
Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)
Twitter: MysticAccess
Facebook: mysticaccessempower


 Original Message 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:11 AM EST
To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: whole migrating situation

NVDA works with Edge.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 19:36
To: Darrell Bowles <dgbow...@msn.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys
(for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so
probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but
others need far more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have
to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or
commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen
readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application
keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck
to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a
window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or
chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think
I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where
are the cheat sheets that
  c
  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek.
All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that
you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with
Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to
help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should
be trained with all screne readers.
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi,

Actually I think those virtual ribbons get in the way, because they disable
Microsoft's shortcuts.

For example, if you want to update Office, you can just press alt, then F,
then D, then R, then you're in the updates window.  But try that with
virtual ribbons turned on.

I recommend learning the Office interface.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 19:55
To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)' <rkur...@schools.nyc.gov>; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
> (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
> to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen 
>> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application 
>> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck 
>> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
>> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or
chrome any  more.
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think 
>> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where 
>> are the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>> All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
> you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to 
> help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should 
> be trained with all screne readers.
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership 

RE: whole migrating situation

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

NVDA works with Edge.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: 16 May 2017 19:36
To: Darrell Bowles <dgbow...@msn.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
> (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
> to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen 
>> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application 
>> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck 
>> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
>> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or
chrome any  more.
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think 
>> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where 
>> are the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>> All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
> you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to 
> help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should 
> be trained with all screne readers.
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksara
> mes%40
> msn.com.
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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> http:

RE: whole migrating situation

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Hi regarding Braille, I suggest you to goto: Hadley school, see below:

http://www.hadley-school.org/







Michael Micallef
Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification 
and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment

Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)

Email:
Office:
URL:
FB:
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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Natalie via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 18:48
To: richard kurlander; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

I need braille to learn.  Any info.?Natalie Johnson


On 5/17/2017 1:36 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:
> you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in 
> these companies should give hands on training for free not just say 
> read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I 
> learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have 
> the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I 
> have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen 
> reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader 
> companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and 
>> Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive 
>> Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
>> Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work
>> Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any 
>> teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
>> David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via 
>> Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be 
>> gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the 
>> only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do?
>> If Microsoft decides to  change windows to do updates and office 
>> which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder.
>> > ___ Any views or
>> opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and 
>> do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership 
>> options, visit 
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>
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RE: whole migrating situation

[john schwery via Talk]

David, your message came to the list.

At 05:51 PM 5/17/2017, you wrote:

Hi Darrel,

I live in Illinois and was wondering if you could give me the name of
someone or an agency where I can go to get assistance with JFW?
I would greatly appreciate this.  Just so you know I sent this message to
you privately so you are not flooded with others asking you the same thing.
This list has been totally crazy the last few days and I am about to just
start hitting delete on messages.


David Crowell


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwc63=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:12 AM
To: Kurlander Richard (75) <rkur...@schools.nyc.gov>; Window-Eyes
Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

And I'm JAWS certified, and am the only one in Tennessee. If anyone needs or
wants help, email me off list at dgbow...@msn.com. I'll even offer remote
training in my spare time.

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Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:36 AM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

I understand, however however all screen reading companies should try to
work together it would really help. You and Aaron were always helpful when
you had a web page problem and  it would be nice if you and Aaron could push
vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard layout for  jaws. Companies need to have 24
hour  tech support since blind people are on the computer at all  hours like
sighted people. I work all day and  when  I  get home the last thing that I
want to  do is listen to tutorials, there should be a cheat  sheet  with all
the jaws key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:17 AM
To: Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Orlando,

Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared.  It was a perfect
match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen
reader and we didn't have screen enlargement.  The merger worked very well.
Dan and I had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or
against).  Just wanted to make sure that was clear.  You seemed to imply
otherwise.

Regards,
Doug

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[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or MCI, back in the
day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get
long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the
accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising
software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market.
Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development.
That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have
offered GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and
Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Yes: I agree with this.

One of the suggestions I gave as part of the fscast is exactly this.  I'd chuck 
it on to my Varioultra (oops sorry VFO) and browse through as part of my 
commute - for example.

It could be a set of files loaded as a subfolder into a JFW main folder at time 
of install.



Vaughan.



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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of evelyn weckerly via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 10:41 a.m.
To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Hi,

Yes, I would appreciate Braille too.  I never listened to a talking book all 
the way through until I was a college sophomore, and I did not deal were 
recordings for textbooks until my freshman year.  That was many years ago-1959. 
 That's why I'd like a full manual.  Then I could at least make an electronic 
braille file out of it.

Evelyn



 - Original Message -
From: Matthew Chao via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: Natalie via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com Date sent: Wed, 17 May 2017 
13:19:34 -0400
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Same here.  Also need braille.--Matthew Chao




On 5/17/2017 12:47 PM, Natalie via Talk wrote:
 I need braille to learn.  Any info.?Natalie Johnson


 On 5/17/2017 1:36 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:
 you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in  these 
companies should give hands on training for free not just say  read a manual or 
listen to tutorials.  that doesn't work for me.
I
 learn better with hands on.  I work all day and certainly do not have  the 
time to read manuals or listen to tutorials.  If I switch to jaws  I have sma's 
from we that will be switched over if I get another  screen reader I would have 
to pay money.  is there a list of screen  reader companies in the us?At 03:06 
PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
 Hi, this is not true.  What about other browsers like Firefox and  Chrome? 
There is always choice.  -- Raul A.  Gallegos Assistive  Technology Trainer - 
RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text:
832.554.7285
 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work
 Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer ?œAny  teacher 
that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.?
-
 David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via  Talk 
wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be  gone and everyone 
will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the  only screne reader that can 
work with Microsoft edge what can you  do? If Microsoft decides to  change 
windows to do updates and  office  which they did when they introduced the 
ribbon things  became  harder.  > 
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Re: whole migrating situation

[evelyn weckerly via Talk]

Hi,

Yes, I would appreciate Braille too.  I never listened to a 
talking book all the way through until I was a college sophomore, 
and I did not deal were recordings for textbooks until my 
freshman year.  That was many years ago-1959.  That's why I'd 
like a full manual.  Then I could at least make an electronic 
braille file out of it.


Evelyn



- Original Message -
From: Matthew Chao via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: Natalie via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Date sent: Wed, 17 May 2017 13:19:34 -0400
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Same here.  Also need braille.--Matthew Chao




On 5/17/2017 12:47 PM, Natalie via Talk wrote:
I need braille to learn.  Any info.?Natalie Johnson


On 5/17/2017 1:36 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:
you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech 
support in
these companies should give hands on training for free not just 
say
read a manual or listen to tutorials.  that doesn't work for me.  
I
learn better with hands on.  I work all day and certainly do not 
have
the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials.  If I switch to 
jaws

I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another
screen reader I would have to pay money.  is there a list of 
screen

reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
Hi, this is not true.  What about other browsers like Firefox 
and

Chrome? There is always choice.  -- Raul A.  Gallegos Assistive
Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
832.554.7285

Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work
Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer 
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teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.�€� 
-
David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) 
via
Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will 
be
gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is 
the
only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can 
you

do? If Microsoft decides to  change windows to do updates and
office  which they did when they introduced the ribbon things
became  harder.  > 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Ah yes: but are all these blind people suited to employment.

VFO has blind people on staff, and like any business - it can only employ a 
finite number of people

GW Micro employed blind people.  I remember the flair brought to training by 
the late Clarence Wayley.  (apologise if last name is not correct) and we had 
frequent input from Jeremy.

The real requirement in this industry is the right people with the right 
skills.  I am sure that VFO believes that its staff are the right people with 
the right skills.

Based solely on the moaning I've seen of late, some of you moaners would not be 
the right people with the right skills.  But - perhaps yo deserve a chance.  
So: cold call; submit proposals; maybe get out and enjoy life.

Vaughan.



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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 12:50 a.m.
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation


You don't learn by reading manuals you learn by practicing. If I have a problem 
with Verizon I can call them 24/7, granted they know nothing about screen 
readers. There are plenty of blind people out  there who are not working who 
could be hired by these  screen readers and work from  home helping  when  you 
call for tech support. If vfo gave 24/7 tech  support and you had pay to get it 
I would be willing to get it

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:22 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Richard you already say  you have no  time to read books or listen to tutorials 
Where will you have time for one on one training that you will be paying for?  
If you got it for free how many hours do you think your entitled to?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM
To: 'richard kurlander'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Raul A. Gallegos'
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Richard,

Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly.

What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase 
to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided 
at any cost to the company employing the trainer.

Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate?
Remember, some might not.
In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure.
 
In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free 
lunch; it is paid for by somebody.


Regards, John

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these 
companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or 
listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I 
work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to 
tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over 
if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of 
screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and 
>Chrome? There is always choice.
>-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer
>- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
>832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal
>Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: 
>train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher 
>that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
>Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and 
>everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only 
>screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If 
>Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do updates and office  which 
>they did when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[David Crowell via Talk]

Hi Darrel, 

I live in Illinois and was wondering if you could give me the name of
someone or an agency where I can go to get assistance with JFW?  
I would greatly appreciate this.  Just so you know I sent this message to
you privately so you are not flooded with others asking you the same thing.
This list has been totally crazy the last few days and I am about to just
start hitting delete on messages.  


David Crowell 


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwc63=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:12 AM
To: Kurlander Richard (75) <rkur...@schools.nyc.gov>; Window-Eyes
Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

And I'm JAWS certified, and am the only one in Tennessee. If anyone needs or
wants help, email me off list at dgbow...@msn.com. I'll even offer remote
training in my spare time.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:36 AM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

I understand, however however all screen reading companies should try to
work together it would really help. You and Aaron were always helpful when
you had a web page problem and  it would be nice if you and Aaron could push
vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard layout for  jaws. Companies need to have 24
hour  tech support since blind people are on the computer at all  hours like
sighted people. I work all day and  when  I  get home the last thing that I
want to  do is listen to tutorials, there should be a cheat  sheet  with all
the jaws key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:17 AM
To: Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Orlando,

Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared.  It was a perfect
match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen
reader and we didn't have screen enlargement.  The merger worked very well.
Dan and I had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or
against).  Just wanted to make sure that was clear.  You seemed to imply
otherwise.

Regards,
Doug

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or MCI, back in the
day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get
long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the
accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising
software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market.
Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development.
That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have
offered GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and
Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: of...@verizon.net 

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Re: whole migrating situation

[David via Talk]

And, if you buy a new car - separate model and brand from the old one 
you have been driving the last ten years, do you then expect the car 
manufacturer to run a driving class for you? All for free? Or, even 
worse, do you expect them to pay your driver's license and all the 
training to get it?


Agreed, a few cheat-sheets had been a nice thing to have in place. I 
have listened to the short tutorials provided from the migration site, 
and though they are both informative and helpful, many of us might have 
better result from some quick reference material. But if you need 
hands-on training, and even individual training, that is (and has always 
been) your choice, and your cost. Or, why not ask around in your local 
vicinity, and see if some experienced users would be willing to give you 
a Saturday afternoon for free, across the coffee-table.


GW, AISquared, and now VFO - they all have thousands of users around the 
globe. It is impossible that all should have individual training. A 24/7 
customer service? Sure, would be nice. But it would need to be organized 
a whole lot different from what the normal market structure is alike. It 
would have to be on a Call-For-basis. Or, do you expect them to pay 
someone an hourly pay, just to sit in the office and await for someone 
to happen to call in, or asking questions on Email?


If you are unable to take the time to listen to a few hours of training 
material, even at any convenient time for yourself, how come you would 
be able to set aside any time for hands-on training? If it is more a 
matter of you not being able to grasp what is told in a pre-recorded or 
pre-written instructional material, then I do see why you are calling 
for hands-on training, one-to-one. But then your whole argument about 
the time-issue, does fall on rocky ground. If again, you are looking for 
someone to answer your questions in a quick and effecient way, 24/7, I'd 
say this list is a great opportunity. Agreed, a good Jaws list, with 
friendly attitude, would have been great; and might exist. A bit of 
active participation from the VFO group, sure would not have hurt, at 
least in the couple of months the migration offer is valid, and maybe a 
very short period thereafter - to catch up with the very last migrators.


So your query might be valid, but keep it factual and realistic.


On 5/17/2017 2:57 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> Some one has to pay the trainers! People don't work for free.
>- Original Message -
>From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:41 AM
>Subject: RE: whole migrating situation
>
>
>
>This is just what I mean, why should I have to pay for training from 
> another company when vfo should have people there to do free training.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:01 AM
>To: richard kurlander <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>
>Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Subject: Re: whole migrating situation
>
>Richard, I'm happy to discuss one on one hands on training with you. 
> Please contact me off list and we can go over your needs and the costs. Look 
> forward to hearing from you.
>
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>“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” – 
> David Thornburg
>
>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 12:36 AM, richard kurlander 
> <r.kurlan...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in 
> these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a 
> manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with 
> hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals 
> or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be 
> switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is 
> there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you 
> wrote:
>>> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and 
> Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology 
> Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 
> 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: 
> train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be 
> replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Th

Re: whole migrating situation

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Same here.  Also need braille.--Matthew Chao




On 5/17/2017 12:47 PM, Natalie via Talk wrote:

I need braille to learn.  Any info.?Natalie Johnson


On 5/17/2017 1:36 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:
you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in 
these companies should give hands on training for free not just say 
read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I 
learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have 
the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws 
I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another 
screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen 
reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and 
Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive 
Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 
Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work 
Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any 
teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.� - 
David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via 
Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be 
gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the 
only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you 
do? If Microsoft decides to  change windows to do updates and 
office  which they did when they introduced the ribbon things 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Thomas N. Chan via Talk]

From what I remember, the key of that take over is, powerquest drive image 
which its stopping Norton ghost then from taking over that backup imagine 
thingy.
Drive image is much much scaleable  as compared to Norton ghost, but symatnec 
just took the whole thing down together with partition magic.
Symantec took software like Seagate personal firewall, cleansweep and a lot 
which I can give at least 5 or more.

That reminds me how window-eyes is now... sorry to feel that way as a long term 
user since vocal eyes.



regards
Thomas N. Chan 
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 5:23 AM
To: Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

At first, it may not seem a good analogy, but, the various long-distance 
companies offered features and other value added services that differed, one 
from another.  There were also software companies who’s programs were thrown 
out by acquisitions.  Take PowerQuest.  They offered Partition Magic, but, when 
Symantec bought them out, they decided to drop that program



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From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone 
carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or 
MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new 
conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug 
simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could 
have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an 
interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now 
belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered 
GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer 
and Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Natalie via Talk]

I need braille to learn.  Any info.?Natalie Johnson


On 5/17/2017 1:36 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:
you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in 
these companies should give hands on training for free not just say 
read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I 
learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have 
the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I 
have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen 
reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader 
companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and 
Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive 
Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 
Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work 
Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any 
teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.� - 
David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via 
Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be 
gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the 
only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? 
If Microsoft decides to  change windows to do updates and office  
which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder. 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I'm trying to dive in to the dolphin screen reader, which is unique in its own 
right.  I also use system access and am quite comfortable with Voiceover. 

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:50 AM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
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Subject: RE: whole migrating situation


You don't learn by reading manuals you learn by practicing. If I have a problem 
with Verizon I can call them 24/7, granted they know nothing about screen 
readers. There are plenty of blind people out  there who are not working who 
could be hired by these  screen readers and work from  home helping  when  you 
call for tech support. If vfo gave 24/7 tech  support and you had pay to get it 
I would be willing to get it

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:22 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
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Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Richard you already say  you have no  time to read books or listen to tutorials 
Where will you have time for one on one training that you will be paying for?  
If you got it for free how many hours do you think your entitled to?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM
To: 'richard kurlander'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Raul A. Gallegos'
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Richard,

Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly.

What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase 
to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided 
at any cost to the company employing the trainer.

Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate?
Remember, some might not.
In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure.
 
In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free 
lunch; it is paid for by somebody.


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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these 
companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or 
listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I 
work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to 
tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over 
if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of 
screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and 
>Chrome? There is always choice.
>-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer
>- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
>832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal
>Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: 
>train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher 
>that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
>Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and 
>everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only 
>screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If 
>Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do updates and office  which 
>they did when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

And I'm JAWS certified, and am the only one in Tennessee. If anyone needs or 
wants help, email me off list at dgbow...@msn.com. I'll even offer remote 
training in my spare time.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:36 AM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
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Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

I understand, however however all screen reading companies should try to work 
together it would really help. You and Aaron were always helpful when you had a 
web page problem and  it would be nice if you and Aaron could push vfo to do a 
window-eyes keyboard layout for  jaws. Companies need to have 24 hour  tech 
support since blind people are on the computer at all  hours like sighted 
people. I work all day and  when  I  get home the last thing that I  want to  
do is listen to tutorials, there should be a cheat  sheet  with all the jaws 
key strokes.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:17 AM
To: Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Orlando,

Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared.  It was a perfect 
match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen reader 
and we didn't have screen enlargement.  The merger worked very well.  Dan and I 
had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or against).  Just 
wanted to make sure that was clear.  You seemed to imply otherwise.

Regards,
Doug

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers 
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or MCI, back in the day, 
you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long 
distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the 
accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising 
software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, 
the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to 
take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and 
Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: of...@verizon.net 

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RE: whole migrating situation

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

If I may make a minor correction.  Paid workers don't work for free; volunteers 
do.

With respect,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:58 AM
To: Kurlander Richard (75) <rkur...@schools.nyc.gov>; Window-Eyes 
Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Some one has to pay the trainers! People don't work for free.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
  To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:41 AM
  Subject: RE: whole migrating situation



  This is just what I mean, why should I have to pay for training from another 
company when vfo should have people there to do free training. 

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:01 AM
  To: richard kurlander <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>
  Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

  Richard, I'm happy to discuss one on one hands on training with you. Please 
contact me off list and we can go over your needs and the costs. Look forward 
to hearing from you.

  --
  Raul A. Gallegos
  Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions

  Mobile: 832.554.7285
  Work: 832.639.4477
  Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
  Work Email: train...@rgats.com

  “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” – David 
Thornburg


  > On May 17, 2017, at 12:36 AM, richard kurlander <r.kurlan...@verizon.net> 
wrote:
  > 
  > you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these 
companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or 
listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I 
work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to 
tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over 
if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of 
screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
  >> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? 
There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA 
Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal 
Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 
and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to 
be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via 
Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and 
everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader 
that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  
change windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced 
the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Me, too - except I forgot to change the autoplay function in Windows 10, 
wondering why, in the meantime, my DVD wasn't working to install WE 
.--Matthew Chao.





On 5/17/2017 9:53 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
In the last couple of windows 10 computers I bought, I was able to set 
them up right out of the box with narrator.


-Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:06 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider 
started in windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators 
update, and narrator is not as simple as it once was.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother 
talking to microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with 
bill gates about putting speech into windows which I am glad he had 
taken the idea and put speech into windows.




On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. 
That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if 
not from

their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech 
capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it 
is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not 
have good

enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the 
solutions for

the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain 
power full

time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their 
families?


~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted 
people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra 
software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people 
should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read 
many  of

your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since 
and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work 
and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to 
be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is 
click and

drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
(for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others 
need far

more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will 
have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
commercial

(meaning for the sighted public as well).


On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as poss

Re: whole migrating situation

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

In the last couple of windows 10 computers I bought, I was able to set them 
up right out of the box with narrator.


-Original Message- 
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:06 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started 
in windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and 
narrator is not as simple as it once was.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking 
to microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates 
about putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea 
and put speech into windows.




On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not 
from

their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech 
capability.

Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have 
good

enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions 
for

the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power 
full

time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their 
families?


~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do 
not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software 
and

even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and 
if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be 
able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click 
and

drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need 
far

more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).


On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in th

Re: whole migrating situation

[Loy via Talk]

Some one has to pay the trainers! People don't work for free.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
  To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:41 AM
  Subject: RE: whole migrating situation



  This is just what I mean, why should I have to pay for training from another 
company when vfo should have people there to do free training. 

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:01 AM
  To: richard kurlander <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>
  Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

  Richard, I'm happy to discuss one on one hands on training with you. Please 
contact me off list and we can go over your needs and the costs. Look forward 
to hearing from you.

  --
  Raul A. Gallegos
  Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions

  Mobile: 832.554.7285
  Work: 832.639.4477
  Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
  Work Email: train...@rgats.com

  “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” – David 
Thornburg


  > On May 17, 2017, at 12:36 AM, richard kurlander <r.kurlan...@verizon.net> 
wrote:
  > 
  > you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these 
companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or 
listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I 
work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to 
tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over 
if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of 
screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
  >> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? 
There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA 
Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal 
Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 
and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to 
be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via 
Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and 
everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader 
that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  
change windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced 
the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

You don't learn by reading manuals you learn by practicing. If I have a problem 
with Verizon I can call them 24/7, granted they know nothing about screen 
readers. There are plenty of blind people out  there who are not working who 
could be hired by these  screen readers and work from  home helping  when  you 
call for tech support. If vfo gave 24/7 tech  support and you had pay to get it 
I would be willing to get it

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:22 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Richard you already say  you have no  time to read books or listen to tutorials 
Where will you have time for one on one training that you will be paying for?  
If you got it for free how many hours do you think your entitled to?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM
To: 'richard kurlander'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Raul A. Gallegos'
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Richard,

Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly.

What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase 
to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided 
at any cost to the company employing the trainer.

Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate?
Remember, some might not.
In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure.
 
In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free 
lunch; it is paid for by somebody.


Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these 
companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or 
listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I 
work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to 
tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over 
if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of 
screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and 
>Chrome? There is always choice.
>-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer
>- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
>832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal
>Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: 
>train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher 
>that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
>Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
>wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and 
>everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only 
>screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If 
>Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do updates and office  which 
>they did when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

This is just what I mean, why should I have to pay for training from 
another company when vfo should have people there to do free training. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:01 AM
To: richard kurlander <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Richard, I'm happy to discuss one on one hands on training with you. Please 
contact me off list and we can go over your needs and the costs. Look forward 
to hearing from you.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions

Mobile: 832.554.7285
Work: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” – David 
Thornburg


> On May 17, 2017, at 12:36 AM, richard kurlander <r.kurlan...@verizon.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these 
> companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual 
> or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands 
> on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or 
> listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be 
> switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is 
> there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you 
> wrote:
>> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? 
>> There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - 
>> RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 
>> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com 
>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a 
>> computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander 
>> Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually 
>> ie will be gone and everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is 
>> the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If 
>> Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do updates and office  which they 
>> did when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

I understand, however however all screen reading companies should try to work 
together it would really help. You and Aaron were always helpful when you had a 
web page problem and  it would be nice if you and Aaron could push vfo to do a 
window-eyes keyboard layout for  jaws. Companies need to have 24 hour  tech 
support since blind people are on the computer at all  hours like sighted 
people. I work all day and  when  I  get home the last thing that I  want to  
do is listen to tutorials, there should be a cheat  sheet  with all the jaws 
key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:17 AM
To: Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Orlando,

Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared.  It was a perfect 
match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen reader 
and we didn't have screen enlargement.  The merger worked very well.  Dan and I 
had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or against).  Just 
wanted to make sure that was clear.  You seemed to imply otherwise.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers 
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or MCI, back in the day, 
you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long 
distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the 
accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising 
software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, 
the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to 
take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and 
Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: of...@verizon.net 

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RE: whole migrating situation

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Orlando,

Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared.  It was a perfect 
match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen reader 
and we didn't have screen enlargement.  The merger worked very well.  Dan and I 
had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or against).  Just 
wanted to make sure that was clear.  You seemed to imply otherwise.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers 
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or MCI, back in the day, 
you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long 
distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the 
accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising 
software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, 
the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to 
take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and 
Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: of...@verizon.net 

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RE: whole migrating situation

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Richard you already say  you have no  time to read books or listen to tutorials 
Where will you have time for one on one training that you will be paying for?  
If you got it for free how many hours do you think your entitled to?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM
To: 'richard kurlander'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Raul A. Gallegos'
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Richard,

Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly.

What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase 
to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided 
at any cost to the company employing the trainer.

Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate?
Remember, some might not.
In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure.
 
In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free 
lunch; it is paid for by somebody.


Regards, John

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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these 
companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or 
listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I 
work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to 
tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over 
if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of 
screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and 
>Chrome? There is always choice.
>-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer
>- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
>832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal
>Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: 
>train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher 
>that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
>Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
>wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and 
>everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only 
>screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If 
>Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do updates and office  which 
>they did when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[John Farley via Talk]

Richard,

Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly.

What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase 
to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided 
at any cost to the company employing the trainer.

Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate?
Remember, some might not.
In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure.
 
In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free 
lunch; it is paid for by somebody.


Regards, John

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Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

you used to work for we I feel as a blind person 
that tech support in these companies should give 
hands on training for free not just say read a 
manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work 
for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all 
day and certainly do not have the time to read 
manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to 
jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched 
over if I get another screen reader I would have 
to pay money. is there a list of screen reader 
companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers 
>like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. 
>-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer 
>- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
>832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal 
>Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: 
>train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and 
>@RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced 
>with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
>Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander 
>Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a 
>monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone 
>and everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge 
>and if jaws is the only screne reader that can 
>work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If 
>Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do 
>updates and office  which they did when they 
>introduced the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Exactly.

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On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:43 AM
To: Natalie; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Does it really matter?

On 5/16/2017 6:11 PM, Natalie via Talk wrote:
> I'm curious.  When they sold to A.I. Squared did they realize this 
> would appen
> 
> ?  Just curious.  I know big eats small but is AI Squared really a 
> company or a shell?
> 
> Natalie Johnson
> On 5/16/2017 5:56 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Get your facts straight!
>> Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI 
>> Squared who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It 
>> is their CEO who is now a VP at VFO.
>> Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the 
>> sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio.
>>
>>
>> On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:
>>>> So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
>>>> The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
>>>> The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.
>>>
>>> Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone 
>>> carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or 
>>> MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new 
>>> conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug 
>>> simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could 
>>> have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an 
>>> interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now 
>>> belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
>>> seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered
GWMicro to take its code off the market.
>>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol
>>> Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
>>> University of Pennsylvania
>>> Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer 
>>> and Pedagogue
>>> Home: (980) 585-1516
>>> Mobile: (267) 971-7090
>>> Email: of...@verizon.net
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Does it really matter?

On 5/16/2017 6:11 PM, Natalie via Talk wrote:
> I'm curious.  When they sold to A.I. Squared did they realize this would 
> appen
> 
> ?  Just curious.  I know big eats small but is AI Squared really a 
> company or a shell?
> 
> Natalie Johnson
> On 5/16/2017 5:56 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Get your facts straight!
>> Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI Squared 
>> who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It is their 
>> CEO who is now a VP at VFO.
>> Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the 
>> sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio.
>>
>>
>> On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:
 So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.
>>>
>>> Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers
>>> provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or MCI, back in
>>> the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just
>>> to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire
>>> from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an
>>> enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind
>>> accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away
>>> from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine
>>> how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market.
>>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol
>>> Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
>>> University of Pennsylvania
>>> Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and
>>> Pedagogue
>>> Home: (980) 585-1516
>>> Mobile: (267) 971-7090
>>> Email: of...@verizon.net
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Re: whole migrating situation

[richard kurlander via Talk]

you used to work for we I feel as a blind person 
that tech support in these companies should give 
hands on training for free not just say read a 
manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work 
for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all 
day and certainly do not have the time to read 
manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to 
jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched 
over if I get another screen reader I would have 
to pay money. is there a list of screen reader 
companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers 
like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. 
-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer 
- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal 
Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: 
train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and 
@RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced 
with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander 
Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a 
monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone 
and everyone will have to use  Microsoft edge 
and if jaws is the only screne reader that can 
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If 
Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do 
updates and office  which they did when they 
introduced the ribbon things became  harder. > 
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Natalie via Talk]

I'm curious.  When they sold to A.I. Squared did they realize this would 
appen


?  Just curious.  I know big eats small but is AI Squared really a 
company or a shell?


Natalie Johnson
On 5/16/2017 5:56 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Get your facts straight!
Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI Squared 
who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It is their 
CEO who is now a VP at VFO.
Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the 
sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio.



On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:

So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.


Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or MCI, back in
the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just
to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire
from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an
enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind
accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away
from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine
how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and
Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: of...@verizon.net
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Get your facts straight!
Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI Squared 
who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It is their 
CEO who is now a VP at VFO.
Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the 
sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio.



On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:

So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.


Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or MCI, back in
the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just
to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire
from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an
enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind
accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away
from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine
how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and
Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: of...@verizon.net
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

well, even though it started in window s 2000 we still did talk to bill 
gates to get him to start putting speech into windows.




On 5/16/2017 4:06 PM, Darrell Bowles wrote:

In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started in 
windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and 
narrator is not as simple as it once was.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk 
 wrote:

narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to 
microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about 
putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put 
speech into windows.



On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).


On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and 

RE: whole migrating situation

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

At first, it may not seem a good analogy, but, the various long-distance 
companies offered features and other value added services that differed, one 
from another.  There were also software companies who’s programs were thrown 
out by acquisitions.  Take PowerQuest.  They offered Partition Magic, but, when 
Symantec bought them out, they decided to drop that program



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

 >So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
 >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
 >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone 
carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or 
MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new 
conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug 
simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could 
have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an 
interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now 
belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered 
GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer 
and Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: of...@verizon.net 


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Re: whole migrating situation

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started in 
windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and 
narrator is not as simple as it once was.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to 
> microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about 
> putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put 
> speech into windows.
> 
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>> Richard,
>> 
>> Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
>> has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
>> their inception.
>> 
>> However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
>> Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
>> designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
>> enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.
>> 
>> Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
>> the problem came up with speech reading software.
>> 
>> I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
>> time for many years for nothing.
>> How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?
>> 
>> ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
>> manufacturers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards, John
>> 
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
>> To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
>> need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
>> even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
>> given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
>> your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
>> completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
>> not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
>> am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
>> use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
>> drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
>> strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
>> To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> 
>> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
>> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
>> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
>> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
>> more than I do.
>> 
>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
>> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>> 
>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>>> 
>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
>>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
>>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
>>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
>>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
>>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
>>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
>>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
>>> switching and holding 

RE: whole migrating situation

[Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk]

>So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
>The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
>The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.

Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone 
carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT or 
MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new 
conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug 
simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could 
have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an 
interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now 
belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't 
seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered 
GWMicro to take its code off the market.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer 
and Pedagogue

Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: of...@verizon.net 


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Re: whole migrating situation

[Alison May via Talk]

And there is always the Apple Mac option with its free screen reader! 

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

> On 16 May 2017, at 8:14 pm, Joseph Norton via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> While the main competitor of JFW may be gone, others are emerging.  
> 
> You’ve still got choice.  It may not be the choice you would like to make, 
> but, the playing field is changing.
> 
> Neither NVDA, or System Access was around when Window-Eyes and JFW came out.  
> Back then, you had Slimware Window Bridge and ASAW from MicroTalk (although 
> that one didn’t last as long).  Too, wasn’t there Artic Win Vision, though 
> that may have only been for Windows 3.1.  Anyway, Window-Eyes and JFW were 
> the major players from that era that stayed around the longest.
> 
> Now, there’s still NVDA, System Access, and SuperNova.  SuperNova needs to 
> play catch-up, a little, but, it is an option.  They seem willing to 
> accommodate users who want to migrate to their products, as they do provide 
> alternate keyboard layouts.  Narrator is maturing, and may be a force  to be 
> reckoned with.
> 
> So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
> 
> The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
> 
> The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:03 PM
> To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: whole migrating situation
> 
> Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
>> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
>> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
>> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
>> more than I do.
>> 
>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
>> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>> 
>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>>> 
>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
>>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
>>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
>>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
>>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
>>> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
>>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
>>> the cheat sheets that
>> c
>>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
>> rea

Re: whole migrating situation

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Thanks for the rare voice of reason, Raul.
Regards,
Tom


On 5/16/2017 3:06 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:

Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome?
There is always choice.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” -
David Thornburg

On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone
will have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader
that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft
decides  to  change windows to do updates and office  which they did
when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder.



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RE: whole migrating situation

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You get it from
yourdolphin.com

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:28 PM
To: Armando Maldonado; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Where do you get super nova

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos <r...@raulgallegos.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super Nova 
and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, just my 
own personal opinion.
- Original Message -
From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation


> Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options.
>
>
> Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option 
> which will best fit your needs.
>
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos
> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
> 832.554.7285
> Office: 832.639.4477
> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
> Work Email: train...@rgats.com
> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>
> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
> David Thornburg
>
>
> On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>>>
>>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I 
>>> have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of 
>>> needs and experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use 
>>> mouse keys (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's 
>>> functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my 
>>> needs or wants, but others need far more than I do.
>>>
>>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will 
>>> have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive 
>>> or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>>>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>>>>
>>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and 
>>>> are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug 
>>>> and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that 
>>>> since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried 
>>>> to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not 
>>>> having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you 
>>>> use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab 
>>>> keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is 
>>>> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo 
>>>> could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest 
>>>> problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and 
>>>> not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
>>>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>>>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you 
>>>> think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? 
>>>> Where are the cheat sheets that
>>>   c
>>>>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>>>> All
>>>

RE: whole migrating situation

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

Where do you get super nova

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos <r...@raulgallegos.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super 
Nova and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, 
just my own personal opinion.
- Original Message - 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation


> Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options.
>
>
> Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option which 
> will best fit your needs.
>
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos
> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
> Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
> Office: 832.639.4477
> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
> Work Email: train...@rgats.com
> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>
> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
> David Thornburg
>
>
> On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>>>
>>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
>>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
>>> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
>>> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
>>> probably
>>> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need 
>>> far
>>> more than I do.
>>>
>>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
>>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
>>> commercial
>>> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>>>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>>>>
>>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
>>>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
>>>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
>>>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
>>>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
>>>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
>>>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
>>>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
>>>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
>>>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
>>>> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
>>>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
>>>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
>>>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
>>>> the cheat sheets that
>>>   c
>>>>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>>>> All
>>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
>>> you
>>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as 
>>> well
>>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
>>> Microsoft pe

RE: whole migrating situation

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

While the main competitor of JFW may be gone, others are emerging.  

You’ve still got choice.  It may not be the choice you would like to make, but, 
the playing field is changing.

Neither NVDA, or System Access was around when Window-Eyes and JFW came out.  
Back then, you had Slimware Window Bridge and ASAW from MicroTalk (although 
that one didn’t last as long).  Too, wasn’t there Artic Win Vision, though that 
may have only been for Windows 3.1.  Anyway, Window-Eyes and JFW were the major 
players from that era that stayed around the longest.

Now, there’s still NVDA, System Access, and SuperNova.  SuperNova needs to play 
catch-up, a little, but, it is an option.  They seem willing to accommodate 
users who want to migrate to their products, as they do provide alternate 
keyboard layouts.  Narrator is maturing, and may be a force  to be reckoned 
with.

So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.

The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.

The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:03 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
> more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
>> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
>> the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
> readers.
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> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Armando Maldonado via Talk]

Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super 
Nova and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, 
just my own personal opinion.
- Original Message - 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation



Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options.


Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option which 
will best fit your needs.



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Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
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On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need 
far

more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
commercial

(meaning for the sighted public as well).


On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

  c
  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as 
well

as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all 
screne

readers.

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Re: whole migrating situation

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? 
There is always choice.



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On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have 
to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with 
Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do 
updates and office  which they did when they introduced the ribbon things 
became  harder.



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Re: whole migrating situation

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options.


Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option 
which will best fit your needs.



--
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Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
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Thornburg


On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk  
wrote:

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).


On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

  c

  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All

screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.

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RE: whole migrating situation

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will
have to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can
work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change
windows to do updates and office  which they did when they introduced the
ribbon things became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
> (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
> to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen 
>> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application 
>> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck 
>> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
>> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or
chrome any  more.
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think 
>> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where 
>> are the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>> All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
> you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to 
> help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should 
> be trained with all screne readers.
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have 
to use  Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with 
Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides  to  change windows to do 
updates and office  which they did when they introduced the ribbon things 
became  harder.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys 
> (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have 
> to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen 
>> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application 
>> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck 
>> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a 
>> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome 
>> any  more.
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think 
>> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where 
>> are the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
>> All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that 
> you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to 
> help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should 
> be trained with all screne readers.
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RE: whole migrating situation

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I am pretty young, (50 this year), so I have not had as much trouble with 
change as some.

Over the years, I have come from DOS to Windows.

I started with a demo of Soft Vert.  Then, I got ASAP and used the demo for a 
while.  I also tried JAWS for DOS, as well as Vocal-Eyes.  For some reason, 
though, ASAP did what I wanted.  In my job, it carried me all the way to 1998 
when my company “merged with” (they were actually bought out by) another 
company.  I had already purchased Windows 3.1 with no screen reader, nor a clue 
as to what to use.  Through that time, I bought Slimware Window Bridge, tried 
out JFW and settled on a demo of ASAW for a while.  I upgraded to Windows 95, 
then, in my job, had to switch to a Windows terminal emulation package, so I 
got JFW.  But, at home, I went with Window-Eyes, because I liked its approach 
and agreed more with its licensing model.

I never thought I’d use a touch device, but, have tried several over the years, 
using MobileSpeak and VoiceOver on IOS.  I’m about to play some more with, 
what’s its name, Oh, yeah, TalkBack, on an Android phone I’m hoping to inherit 
from my 12 year-old daughter when she gets her pictures off of it.  Memory 
going.  Another 10 years, and I’ll be in trouble.  Oh, yes, almost forgot to 
mention Speakup and Orca on Linux.  Haven’t tried Emac Speak yet.

I don’t know if I’m a glutton for punishment, or what.  I guess I’ve always 
liked to experiment with things.

However, change is not always welcome.  There are many of us who just want our 
computers to work, and we get very used to a certain way of doing things.

One thing I applaud GW Micro for doing is their willingness to provide several 
alternate keyboard layouts for JAWS users and others, not insisting that their 
way is the best or only way.  It may, indeed, be possible to do a kind of 
Window-Eyes layout for JAWS, but, I’m not sure.  Have to study the manual when 
I get some time.  Having a wife and 2 children has put some demands on my time 
that weren’t there before.

Gotta go out to wait for the school bus for my 6 year-old daughter.
 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:32 AM
To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Sold down the river. That's a pretty good one. What we have seen, is how true 
capitalism works.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard:
> 
> We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and
> we have to get used to it.  Many people did not like when DOS was
> fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did.
> 
> I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river.
> It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies.  That's the way
> it is.
> 
> Kevin Huber
> 
> On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using
>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all
>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these
>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close
>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader.
>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow
>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is
>> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have
>> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome
>> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel
>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the
>> cheat sheets that c
>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
>> readers.
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
> more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
> (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are 
>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and 
>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo 
>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the 
>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have 
>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers 
>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not 
>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep 
>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes 
>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants 
>> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more. 
>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are 
>> the cheat sheets that
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
> readers.
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

He has the right to choose whatever is in the market place.

On 5/16/2017 12:38 PM, Darrell Bowles wrote:
> Then, perhaps we are not dealing with capitalism, as the customer doesn't 
> have the right to choose?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
>> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
>> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so
>> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but
>> others need far more than I do.
>>
>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or
>> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>>
>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>>>
>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using 
>>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all 
>>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these 
>>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close 
>>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. 
>>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow 
>>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it 
>>> is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could 
>>> have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome 
>>> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel 
>>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the 
>>> cheat sheets th
 at
>>   c
>>>   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All 
>>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you 
>>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as 
>>> well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. 
>>> The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all 
>>> screne readers.
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>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Then, perhaps we are not dealing with capitalism, as the customer doesn't have 
the right to choose?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have 
> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and 
> experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for 
> example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so 
> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but 
> others need far more than I do.
> 
> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to 
> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or 
> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using 
>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all 
>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these 
>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close 
>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. 
>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow 
>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is 
>> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have 
>> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that 
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome 
>> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel 
>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I 
>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the 
>> cheat sheets tha
 t
>  c
>>  an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All 
>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you 
>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well 
>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The 
>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne 
>> readers.
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

In its purest form, capitalism is, you have something I want, and I have 
something you want, let's make a deal! And you the consumer can choose 
to purchase the product or refuse.  What is more free than that? There's 
no political state telling you what to purchase or what to create.

On 5/16/2017 10:32 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Sold down the river. That's a pretty good one. What we have seen, is how true 
> capitalism works.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richard:
>>
>> We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and
>> we have to get used to it.  Many people did not like when DOS was
>> fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did.
>>
>> I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river.
>> It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies.  That's the way
>> it is.
>>
>> Kevin Huber
>>
>> On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>>>
>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using
>>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all
>>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these
>>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close
>>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader.
>>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow
>>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is
>>> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have
>>> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
>>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome
>>> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel
>>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
>>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the
>>> cheat sheets that c
>>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
>>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
>>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
>>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
>>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
>>> readers.
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Sold down the river. That's a pretty good one. What we have seen, is how true 
capitalism works.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard:
> 
> We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and
> we have to get used to it.  Many people did not like when DOS was
> fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did.
> 
> I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river.
> It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies.  That's the way
> it is.
> 
> Kevin Huber
> 
> On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurlander Richard (75)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
>> Subject: whole migrating situation
>> 
>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using
>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all
>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these
>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close
>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader.
>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow
>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is
>> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have
>> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that
>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome
>> any  more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel
>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the
>> cheat sheets that c
>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
>> have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help  the blind. The
>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
>> readers.
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