FW: whole migrating situation
-Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: whole migrating situation
Sold down the river. That's a pretty good one. What we have seen, is how true capitalism works. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk > wrote: > > Hi Richard: > > We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and > we have to get used to it. Many people did not like when DOS was > fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did. > > I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river. > It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies. That's the way > it is. > > Kevin Huber > > On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk > wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kurlander Richard (750000) >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >> Subject: whole migrating situation >> >> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using >> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all >> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these >> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close >> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. >> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow >> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is >> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have >> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that >> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome >> any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel >> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I >> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the >> cheat sheets that c >> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All >> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you >> have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well >> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The >> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne >> readers. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: whole migrating situation
In its purest form, capitalism is, you have something I want, and I have something you want, let's make a deal! And you the consumer can choose to purchase the product or refuse. What is more free than that? There's no political state telling you what to purchase or what to create. On 5/16/2017 10:32 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > Sold down the river. That's a pretty good one. What we have seen, is how true > capitalism works. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 16, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk >> wrote: >> >> Hi Richard: >> >> We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and >> we have to get used to it. Many people did not like when DOS was >> fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did. >> >> I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river. >> It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies. That's the way >> it is. >> >> Kevin Huber >> >> On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >>> Subject: whole migrating situation >>> >>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using >>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all >>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these >>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close >>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. >>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow >>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is >>> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have >>> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that >>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome >>> any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel >>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I >>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the >>> cheat sheets that c >>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All >>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you >>> have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well >>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The >>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne >>> readers. >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: whole migrating situation
Then, perhaps we are not dealing with capitalism, as the customer doesn't have the right to choose? Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk > wrote: > > With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have > realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and > experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for > example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so > probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but > others need far more than I do. > > No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to > adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or > commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). > >> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kurlander Richard (750000) >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >> Subject: whole migrating situation >> >> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using >> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all >> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these >> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close >> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. >> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow >> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is >> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have >> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that >> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome >> any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel >> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I >> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the >> cheat sheets tha t > c >> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All >> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you >> have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well >> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The >> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne >> readers. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> . >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: whole migrating situation
He has the right to choose whatever is in the market place. On 5/16/2017 12:38 PM, Darrell Bowles wrote: > Then, perhaps we are not dealing with capitalism, as the customer doesn't > have the right to choose? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 16, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk >> wrote: >> >> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have >> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and >> experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for >> example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so >> probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but >> others need far more than I do. >> >> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to >> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or >> commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). >> >>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >>> >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >>> Subject: whole migrating situation >>> >>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using >>> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all >>> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these >>> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close >>> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. >>> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow >>> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it >>> is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could >>> have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that >>> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome >>> any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel >>> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I >>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the >>> cheat sheets th at >> c >>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All >>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you >>> have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as >>> well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. >>> The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all >>> screne readers. >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> . >>> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: whole migrating situation
Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk > wrote: > > I agree either accept the offer or don't. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM > To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation > > With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have > realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and > experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for > example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably > any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far > more than I do. > > No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to > adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial > (meaning for the sighted public as well). > >> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >> Subject: whole migrating situation >> >> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are >> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and >> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo >> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the >> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have >> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers >> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not >> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep >> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes >> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants >> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. >> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or >> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I >> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are >> the cheat sheets that > c >> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All > screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you > have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well > as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The > Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne > readers. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 > msn.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> . >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 > gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: whole migrating situation
Hi: I am pretty young, (50 this year), so I have not had as much trouble with change as some. Over the years, I have come from DOS to Windows. I started with a demo of Soft Vert. Then, I got ASAP and used the demo for a while. I also tried JAWS for DOS, as well as Vocal-Eyes. For some reason, though, ASAP did what I wanted. In my job, it carried me all the way to 1998 when my company “merged with” (they were actually bought out by) another company. I had already purchased Windows 3.1 with no screen reader, nor a clue as to what to use. Through that time, I bought Slimware Window Bridge, tried out JFW and settled on a demo of ASAW for a while. I upgraded to Windows 95, then, in my job, had to switch to a Windows terminal emulation package, so I got JFW. But, at home, I went with Window-Eyes, because I liked its approach and agreed more with its licensing model. I never thought I’d use a touch device, but, have tried several over the years, using MobileSpeak and VoiceOver on IOS. I’m about to play some more with, what’s its name, Oh, yeah, TalkBack, on an Android phone I’m hoping to inherit from my 12 year-old daughter when she gets her pictures off of it. Memory going. Another 10 years, and I’ll be in trouble. Oh, yes, almost forgot to mention Speakup and Orca on Linux. Haven’t tried Emac Speak yet. I don’t know if I’m a glutton for punishment, or what. I guess I’ve always liked to experiment with things. However, change is not always welcome. There are many of us who just want our computers to work, and we get very used to a certain way of doing things. One thing I applaud GW Micro for doing is their willingness to provide several alternate keyboard layouts for JAWS users and others, not insisting that their way is the best or only way. It may, indeed, be possible to do a kind of Window-Eyes layout for JAWS, but, I’m not sure. Have to study the manual when I get some time. Having a wife and 2 children has put some demands on my time that weren’t there before. Gotta go out to wait for the school bus for my 6 year-old daughter. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:32 AM To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Sold down the river. That's a pretty good one. What we have seen, is how true capitalism works. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk > wrote: > > Hi Richard: > > We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and > we have to get used to it. Many people did not like when DOS was > fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did. > > I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river. > It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies. That's the way > it is. > > Kevin Huber > > On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk > wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kurlander Richard (750000) >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >> Subject: whole migrating situation >> >> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using >> window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all >> of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these >> other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close >> to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. >> I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow >> keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is >> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have >> had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that >> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome >> any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel >> or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I >> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the >> cheat sheets that c >> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All >> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you >> have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well >> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The >> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne >> readers. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily
RE: whole migrating situation
We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk > wrote: > > I agree either accept the offer or don't. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM > To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation > > With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have > realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and > experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys > (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so > probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but > others need far more than I do. > > No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have > to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or > commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). > >> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >> Subject: whole migrating situation >> >> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are >> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and >> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo >> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the >> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have >> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen >> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application >> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck >> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a >> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that >> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome >> any more. >> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or >> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think >> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where >> are the cheat sheets that > c >> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. >> All > screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that > you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with > Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to > help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should > be trained with all screne readers. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksara > mes%40 > msn.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> . >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1 > 982%40 > gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are s
RE: whole migrating situation
Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > > I agree either accept the offer or don't. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM > To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation > > With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have > realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and > experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys > (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so > probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but > others need far more than I do. > > No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have > to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or > commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). > >> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >> Subject: whole migrating situation >> >> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are >> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and >> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo >> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the >> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have >> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen >> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application >> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck >> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a >> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that >> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. >> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or >> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think >> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where >> are the cheat sheets that > c >> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. >> All > screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that > you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with > Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to > help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should > be trained with all screne readers. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksara > mes%40 > msn.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> . >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1 > 982%40 > gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/list
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Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options. Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option which will best fit your needs. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/raul%40raulgallegos.com. For subscription optio
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Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super Nova and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, just my own personal opinion. - Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options. Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option which will best fit your needs. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives ca
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While the main competitor of JFW may be gone, others are emerging. You’ve still got choice. It may not be the choice you would like to make, but, the playing field is changing. Neither NVDA, or System Access was around when Window-Eyes and JFW came out. Back then, you had Slimware Window Bridge and ASAW from MicroTalk (although that one didn’t last as long). Too, wasn’t there Artic Win Vision, though that may have only been for Windows 3.1. Anyway, Window-Eyes and JFW were the major players from that era that stayed around the longest. Now, there’s still NVDA, System Access, and SuperNova. SuperNova needs to play catch-up, a little, but, it is an option. They seem willing to accommodate users who want to migrate to their products, as they do provide alternate keyboard layouts. Narrator is maturing, and may be a force to be reckoned with. So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:03 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk > wrote: > > I agree either accept the offer or don't. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM > To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation > > With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have > realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and > experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for > example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably > any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far > more than I do. > > No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to > adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial > (meaning for the sighted public as well). > >> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >> Subject: whole migrating situation >> >> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are >> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and >> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo >> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the >> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have >> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers >> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not >> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep >> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes >> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants >> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. >> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or >> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I >> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are >> the cheat sheets that > c >> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All > screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you > have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well > as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The > Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne > readers. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 > msn.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> . >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solel
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Where do you get super nova -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11 PM To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super Nova and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, just my own personal opinion. - Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM Subject: Re: whole migrating situation > Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options. > > > Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option which > will best fit your needs. > > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions > Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 > Office: 832.639.4477 > Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com > Work Email: train...@rgats.com > Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer > > “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - > David Thornburg > > > On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >> Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk >>> wrote: >>> >>> I agree either accept the offer or don't. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM >>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation >>> >>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have >>> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and >>> experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for >>> example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so >>> probably >>> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need >>> far >>> more than I do. >>> >>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to >>> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or >>> commercial >>> (meaning for the sighted public as well). >>> >>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >>>> Subject: whole migrating situation >>>> >>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are >>>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and >>>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo >>>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the >>>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have >>>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers >>>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not >>>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep >>>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes >>>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants >>>> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. >>>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or >>>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I >>>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are >>>> the cheat sheets that >>> c >>>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. >>>> All >>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that >>> you >>> have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as >>> well >>> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The >>> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all >>> screne >>> readers. >>>> _
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You get it from yourdolphin.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:28 PM To: Armando Maldonado; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Where do you get super nova -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11 PM To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super Nova and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, just my own personal opinion. - Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM Subject: Re: whole migrating situation > Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options. > > > Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option > which will best fit your needs. > > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: > 832.554.7285 > Office: 832.639.4477 > Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com > Work Email: train...@rgats.com > Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer > > “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - > David Thornburg > > > On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >> Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk >>> wrote: >>> >>> I agree either accept the offer or don't. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM >>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation >>> >>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I >>> have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of >>> needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use >>> mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's >>> functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my >>> needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. >>> >>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will >>> have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive >>> or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). >>> >>>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >>>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >>>> Subject: whole migrating situation >>>> >>>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and >>>> are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug >>>> and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that >>>> since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried >>>> to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not >>>> having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you >>>> use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab >>>> keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is >>>> a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo >>>> could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest >>>> problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and >>>> not ie firefox or chrome any more. >>>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or >>>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you >>>> think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? >>>> Where are the cheat sheets that >>> c >>>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. >>>> All >>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff >>> that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with >>>
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Thanks for the rare voice of reason, Raul. Regards, Tom On 5/16/2017 3:06 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote: Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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And there is always the Apple Mac option with its free screen reader! Sent from my iPhone by Alison may 0777 315 8181 > On 16 May 2017, at 8:14 pm, Joseph Norton via Talk > wrote: > > While the main competitor of JFW may be gone, others are emerging. > > You’ve still got choice. It may not be the choice you would like to make, > but, the playing field is changing. > > Neither NVDA, or System Access was around when Window-Eyes and JFW came out. > Back then, you had Slimware Window Bridge and ASAW from MicroTalk (although > that one didn’t last as long). Too, wasn’t there Artic Win Vision, though > that may have only been for Windows 3.1. Anyway, Window-Eyes and JFW were > the major players from that era that stayed around the longest. > > Now, there’s still NVDA, System Access, and SuperNova. SuperNova needs to > play catch-up, a little, but, it is an option. They seem willing to > accommodate users who want to migrate to their products, as they do provide > alternate keyboard layouts. Narrator is maturing, and may be a force to be > reckoned with. > > So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. > > The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. > > The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Darrell Bowles via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:03 PM > To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: whole migrating situation > > Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk >> wrote: >> >> I agree either accept the offer or don't. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM >> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation >> >> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have >> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and >> experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for >> example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably >> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far >> more than I do. >> >> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to >> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial >> (meaning for the sighted public as well). >> >>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >>> Subject: whole migrating situation >>> >>> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are >>> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and >>> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo >>> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the >>> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have >>> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers >>> you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not >>> use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep >>> switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes >>> keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants >>> everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. >>> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or >>> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I >>> have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are >>> the cheat sheets that >> c >>> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All >> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you >> have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well >> as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The >> Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne >> readers. >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are
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>So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started in windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and narrator is not as simple as it once was. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk > wrote: > > narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to > microsoft at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about > putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put > speech into windows. > > >> On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That >> has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from >> their inception. >> >> However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. >> Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not >> designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good >> enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. >> >> Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for >> the problem came up with speech reading software. >> >> I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full >> time for many years for nothing. >> How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? >> >> ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader >> manufacturers. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, John >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM >> To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation >> >> It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not >> need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and >> even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be >> given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of >> your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are >> completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm >> not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I >> am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able >> use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and >> drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key >> strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM >> To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> >> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation >> >> I agree either accept the offer or don't. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM >> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation >> >> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have >> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and >> experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for >> example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably >> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far >> more than I do. >> >> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to >> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial >> (meaning for the sighted public as well). >> >>> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >>> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >>> Subject: whole migrating situation >>> >>> As a window-eyes user since 1997
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At first, it may not seem a good analogy, but, the various long-distance companies offered features and other value added services that differed, one from another. There were also software companies who’s programs were thrown out by acquisitions. Take PowerQuest. They offered Partition Magic, but, when Symantec bought them out, they decided to drop that program Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Orlando Enrique Fiol Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation >So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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well, even though it started in window s 2000 we still did talk to bill gates to get him to start putting speech into windows. On 5/16/2017 4:06 PM, Darrell Bowles wrote: In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started in windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and narrator is not as simple as it once was. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote: narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to microsoft at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put speech into windows. On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote: Richard, Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from their inception. However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for the problem came up with speech reading software. I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full time for many years for nothing. How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader manufacturers. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (750000); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chro
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Get your facts straight! Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI Squared who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It is their CEO who is now a VP at VFO. Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio. On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote: So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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I'm curious. When they sold to A.I. Squared did they realize this would appen ? Just curious. I know big eats small but is AI Squared really a company or a shell? Natalie Johnson On 5/16/2017 5:56 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Get your facts straight! Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI Squared who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It is their CEO who is now a VP at VFO. Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio. On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote: So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nataliej%40kingcon.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: whole migrating situation
you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer âAny teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.â - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: whole migrating situation
Does it really matter? On 5/16/2017 6:11 PM, Natalie via Talk wrote: > I'm curious. When they sold to A.I. Squared did they realize this would > appen > > ? Just curious. I know big eats small but is AI Squared really a > company or a shell? > > Natalie Johnson > On 5/16/2017 5:56 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >> Get your facts straight! >> Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI Squared >> who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It is their >> CEO who is now a VP at VFO. >> Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the >> sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio. >> >> >> On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote: So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. >>> >>> Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers >>> provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in >>> the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just >>> to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire >>> from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an >>> enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind >>> accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away >>> from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine >>> how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. >>> >>> Orlando Enrique Fiol >>> Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory >>> University of Pennsylvania >>> Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and >>> Pedagogue >>> Home: (980) 585-1516 >>> Mobile: (267) 971-7090 >>> Email: of...@verizon.net >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >>> >>> >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nataliej%40kingcon.com. >> >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: whole migrating situation
Exactly. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:43 AM To: Natalie; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tom Kingston Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Does it really matter? On 5/16/2017 6:11 PM, Natalie via Talk wrote: > I'm curious. When they sold to A.I. Squared did they realize this > would appen > > ? Just curious. I know big eats small but is AI Squared really a > company or a shell? > > Natalie Johnson > On 5/16/2017 5:56 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >> Get your facts straight! >> Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI >> Squared who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It >> is their CEO who is now a VP at VFO. >> Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the >> sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio. >> >> >> On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote: >>>> So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. >>>> The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. >>>> The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. >>> >>> Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone >>> carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or >>> MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new >>> conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug >>> simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could >>> have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an >>> interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now >>> belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't >>> seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. >>> >>> Orlando Enrique Fiol >>> Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory >>> University of Pennsylvania >>> Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer >>> and Pedagogue >>> Home: (980) 585-1516 >>> Mobile: (267) 971-7090 >>> Email: of...@verizon.net >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%4 0charter.net. >>> >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nataliej%40kin gcon.com. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 msn.com. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: whole migrating situation
Richard, Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly. What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided at any cost to the company employing the trainer. Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate? Remember, some might not. In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure. In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free lunch; it is paid for by somebody. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers >like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. >-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer >- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: >832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal >Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: >train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and >@RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced >with a computer, deserves to be.†- David >Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander >Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a >monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone >and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge >and if jaws is the only screne reader that can >work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If >Microsoft decides to change windows to do >updates and office which they did when they >introduced the ribbon things became harder. > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email >are solely those of the author and do not >necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For >membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. > >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: whole migrating situation
Richard you already say you have no time to read books or listen to tutorials Where will you have time for one on one training that you will be paying for? If you got it for free how many hours do you think your entitled to? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM To: 'richard kurlander'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Raul A. Gallegos' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Richard, Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly. What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided at any cost to the company employing the trainer. Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate? Remember, some might not. In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure. In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free lunch; it is paid for by somebody. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and >Chrome? There is always choice. >-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer >- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: >832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal >Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: >train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher >that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.†- David >Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and >everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only >screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If >Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which >they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For >membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: whole migrating situation
Richard, I'm happy to discuss one on one hands on training with you. Please contact me off list and we can go over your needs and the costs. Look forward to hearing from you. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Mobile: 832.554.7285 Work: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” – David Thornburg > On May 17, 2017, at 12:36 AM, richard kurlander > wrote: > > you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these > companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual > or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands > on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or > listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be > switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is > there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you > wrote: >> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? >> There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - >> RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 >> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com >> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a >> computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander >> Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually >> ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is >> the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If >> Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they >> did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > >> ___ Any views or opinions >> presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not >> necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives >> can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: whole migrating situation
Orlando, Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared. It was a perfect match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen reader and we didn't have screen enlargement. The merger worked very well. Dan and I had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or against). Just wanted to make sure that was clear. You seemed to imply otherwise. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation >So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40vfogroup.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: whole migrating situation
I understand, however however all screen reading companies should try to work together it would really help. You and Aaron were always helpful when you had a web page problem and it would be nice if you and Aaron could push vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard layout for jaws. Companies need to have 24 hour tech support since blind people are on the computer at all hours like sighted people. I work all day and when I get home the last thing that I want to do is listen to tutorials, there should be a cheat sheet with all the jaws key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:17 AM To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Orlando, Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared. It was a perfect match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen reader and we didn't have screen enlargement. The merger worked very well. Dan and I had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or against). Just wanted to make sure that was clear. You seemed to imply otherwise. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation >So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40vfogroup.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: whole migrating situation
This is just what I mean, why should I have to pay for training from another company when vfo should have people there to do free training. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:01 AM To: richard kurlander Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Richard, I'm happy to discuss one on one hands on training with you. Please contact me off list and we can go over your needs and the costs. Look forward to hearing from you. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Mobile: 832.554.7285 Work: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” – David Thornburg > On May 17, 2017, at 12:36 AM, richard kurlander > wrote: > > you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these > companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual > or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands > on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or > listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be > switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is > there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you > wrote: >> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? >> There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - >> RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 >> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com >> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a >> computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander >> Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually >> ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is >> the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If >> Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they >> did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > >> ___ Any views or opinions >> presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not >> necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives >> can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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You don't learn by reading manuals you learn by practicing. If I have a problem with Verizon I can call them 24/7, granted they know nothing about screen readers. There are plenty of blind people out there who are not working who could be hired by these screen readers and work from home helping when you call for tech support. If vfo gave 24/7 tech support and you had pay to get it I would be willing to get it -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:22 AM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Richard you already say you have no time to read books or listen to tutorials Where will you have time for one on one training that you will be paying for? If you got it for free how many hours do you think your entitled to? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM To: 'richard kurlander'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Raul A. Gallegos' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Richard, Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly. What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided at any cost to the company employing the trainer. Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate? Remember, some might not. In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure. In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free lunch; it is paid for by somebody. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and >Chrome? There is always choice. >-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer >- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: >832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal >Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: >train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher >that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.†- David >Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and >everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only >screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If >Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which >they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For >membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40gmail.com. F
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Some one has to pay the trainers! People don't work for free. - Original Message - From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:41 AM Subject: RE: whole migrating situation This is just what I mean, why should I have to pay for training from another company when vfo should have people there to do free training. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:01 AM To: richard kurlander Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Richard, I'm happy to discuss one on one hands on training with you. Please contact me off list and we can go over your needs and the costs. Look forward to hearing from you. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Mobile: 832.554.7285 Work: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” – David Thornburg > On May 17, 2017, at 12:36 AM, richard kurlander wrote: > > you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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John if I switch I have sma's so I already paid. That's why when we had upgrades and you had to pay for them I did and I don't use the free version of we so I could still get the tech support. You're right there are blind people who can't afford to pay the ridiculous prices for screen readers when companies should develop them with Microsoft and blind people should not have to pay for software since sighted people do not need software to operate computers. Mack and windows are like apples and oranges to different operating systems even if windows is on a mac computer. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM To: 'richard kurlander' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Raul A. Gallegos' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Richard, Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly. What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided at any cost to the company employing the trainer. Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate? Remember, some might not. In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure. In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free lunch; it is paid for by somebody. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers >like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. >-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer >- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: >832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal >Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: >train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and >@RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced >with a computer, deserves to be.†- David >Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander >Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a >monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone >and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge >and if jaws is the only screne reader that can >work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If >Microsoft decides to change windows to do >updates and office which they did when they >introduced the ribbon things became harder. > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email >are solely those of the author and do not >necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For >membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. > >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily repres
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In the last couple of windows 10 computers I bought, I was able to set them up right out of the box with narrator. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:06 PM To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started in windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and narrator is not as simple as it once was. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote: narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to microsoft at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put speech into windows. On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote: Richard, Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from their inception. However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for the problem came up with speech reading software. I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full time for many years for nothing. How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader manufacturers. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (750000); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo c
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Me, too - except I forgot to change the autoplay function in Windows 10, wondering why, in the meantime, my DVD wasn't working to install WE .--Matthew Chao. On 5/17/2017 9:53 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: In the last couple of windows 10 computers I bought, I was able to set them up right out of the box with narrator. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:06 PM To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started in windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and narrator is not as simple as it once was. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote: narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to microsoft at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put speech into windows. On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote: Richard, Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from their inception. However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for the problem came up with speech reading software. I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full time for many years for nothing. How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader manufacturers. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new scre
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If I may make a minor correction. Paid workers don't work for free; volunteers do. With respect, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:58 AM To: Kurlander Richard (75) ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Some one has to pay the trainers! People don't work for free. - Original Message - From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:41 AM Subject: RE: whole migrating situation This is just what I mean, why should I have to pay for training from another company when vfo should have people there to do free training. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:01 AM To: richard kurlander Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Richard, I'm happy to discuss one on one hands on training with you. Please contact me off list and we can go over your needs and the costs. Look forward to hearing from you. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Mobile: 832.554.7285 Work: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” – David Thornburg > On May 17, 2017, at 12:36 AM, richard kurlander wrote: > > you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists
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And I'm JAWS certified, and am the only one in Tennessee. If anyone needs or wants help, email me off list at dgbow...@msn.com. I'll even offer remote training in my spare time. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:36 AM To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation I understand, however however all screen reading companies should try to work together it would really help. You and Aaron were always helpful when you had a web page problem and it would be nice if you and Aaron could push vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard layout for jaws. Companies need to have 24 hour tech support since blind people are on the computer at all hours like sighted people. I work all day and when I get home the last thing that I want to do is listen to tutorials, there should be a cheat sheet with all the jaws key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:17 AM To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Orlando, Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared. It was a perfect match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen reader and we didn't have screen enlargement. The merger worked very well. Dan and I had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or against). Just wanted to make sure that was clear. You seemed to imply otherwise. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation >So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40vfogroup.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40schools.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http
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I'm trying to dive in to the dolphin screen reader, which is unique in its own right. I also use system access and am quite comfortable with Voiceover. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:50 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation You don't learn by reading manuals you learn by practicing. If I have a problem with Verizon I can call them 24/7, granted they know nothing about screen readers. There are plenty of blind people out there who are not working who could be hired by these screen readers and work from home helping when you call for tech support. If vfo gave 24/7 tech support and you had pay to get it I would be willing to get it -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:22 AM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Richard you already say you have no time to read books or listen to tutorials Where will you have time for one on one training that you will be paying for? If you got it for free how many hours do you think your entitled to? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM To: 'richard kurlander'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Raul A. Gallegos' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Richard, Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly. What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided at any cost to the company employing the trainer. Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate? Remember, some might not. In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure. In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free lunch; it is paid for by somebody. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and >Chrome? There is always choice. >-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer >- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: >832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal >Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: >train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher >that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.†- David >Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and >everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only >screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If >Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which >they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For >membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http:
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I need braille to learn. Any info.?Natalie Johnson On 5/17/2017 1:36 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote: you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.� - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nataliej%40kingcon.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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From what I remember, the key of that take over is, powerquest drive image which its stopping Norton ghost then from taking over that backup imagine thingy. Drive image is much much scaleable as compared to Norton ghost, but symatnec just took the whole thing down together with partition magic. Symantec took software like Seagate personal firewall, cleansweep and a lot which I can give at least 5 or more. That reminds me how window-eyes is now... sorry to feel that way as a long term user since vocal eyes. regards Thomas N. Chan -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 5:23 AM To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation At first, it may not seem a good analogy, but, the various long-distance companies offered features and other value added services that differed, one from another. There were also software companies who’s programs were thrown out by acquisitions. Take PowerQuest. They offered Partition Magic, but, when Symantec bought them out, they decided to drop that program Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Orlando Enrique Fiol Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation >So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/thomas.nchan%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Same here. Also need braille.--Matthew Chao On 5/17/2017 12:47 PM, Natalie via Talk wrote: I need braille to learn. Any info.?Natalie Johnson On 5/17/2017 1:36 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote: you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.� - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nataliej%40kingcon.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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And, if you buy a new car - separate model and brand from the old one you have been driving the last ten years, do you then expect the car manufacturer to run a driving class for you? All for free? Or, even worse, do you expect them to pay your driver's license and all the training to get it? Agreed, a few cheat-sheets had been a nice thing to have in place. I have listened to the short tutorials provided from the migration site, and though they are both informative and helpful, many of us might have better result from some quick reference material. But if you need hands-on training, and even individual training, that is (and has always been) your choice, and your cost. Or, why not ask around in your local vicinity, and see if some experienced users would be willing to give you a Saturday afternoon for free, across the coffee-table. GW, AISquared, and now VFO - they all have thousands of users around the globe. It is impossible that all should have individual training. A 24/7 customer service? Sure, would be nice. But it would need to be organized a whole lot different from what the normal market structure is alike. It would have to be on a Call-For-basis. Or, do you expect them to pay someone an hourly pay, just to sit in the office and await for someone to happen to call in, or asking questions on Email? If you are unable to take the time to listen to a few hours of training material, even at any convenient time for yourself, how come you would be able to set aside any time for hands-on training? If it is more a matter of you not being able to grasp what is told in a pre-recorded or pre-written instructional material, then I do see why you are calling for hands-on training, one-to-one. But then your whole argument about the time-issue, does fall on rocky ground. If again, you are looking for someone to answer your questions in a quick and effecient way, 24/7, I'd say this list is a great opportunity. Agreed, a good Jaws list, with friendly attitude, would have been great; and might exist. A bit of active participation from the VFO group, sure would not have hurt, at least in the couple of months the migration offer is valid, and maybe a very short period thereafter - to catch up with the very last migrators. So your query might be valid, but keep it factual and realistic. On 5/17/2017 2:57 PM, Loy via Talk wrote: > Some one has to pay the trainers! People don't work for free. >- Original Message - >From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:41 AM >Subject: RE: whole migrating situation > > > >This is just what I mean, why should I have to pay for training from > another company when vfo should have people there to do free training. > >-Original Message- >From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk >Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:01 AM >To: richard kurlander >Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List >Subject: Re: whole migrating situation > >Richard, I'm happy to discuss one on one hands on training with you. > Please contact me off list and we can go over your needs and the costs. Look > forward to hearing from you. > >-- >Raul A. Gallegos >Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions > >Mobile: 832.554.7285 >Work: 832.639.4477 >Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com >Work Email: train...@rgats.com > >“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” – > David Thornburg > > >> On May 17, 2017, at 12:36 AM, richard kurlander > wrote: >> >> you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in > these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a > manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with > hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals > or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be > switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is > there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you > wrote: >>> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and > Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology > Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: > 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: > train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher that can be > replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 > 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
RE: whole migrating situation
Hi Darrel, I live in Illinois and was wondering if you could give me the name of someone or an agency where I can go to get assistance with JFW? I would greatly appreciate this. Just so you know I sent this message to you privately so you are not flooded with others asking you the same thing. This list has been totally crazy the last few days and I am about to just start hitting delete on messages. David Crowell -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwc63=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:12 AM To: Kurlander Richard (75) ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation And I'm JAWS certified, and am the only one in Tennessee. If anyone needs or wants help, email me off list at dgbow...@msn.com. I'll even offer remote training in my spare time. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:36 AM To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation I understand, however however all screen reading companies should try to work together it would really help. You and Aaron were always helpful when you had a web page problem and it would be nice if you and Aaron could push vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard layout for jaws. Companies need to have 24 hour tech support since blind people are on the computer at all hours like sighted people. I work all day and when I get home the last thing that I want to do is listen to tutorials, there should be a cheat sheet with all the jaws key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:17 AM To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Orlando, Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared. It was a perfect match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen reader and we didn't have screen enlargement. The merger worked very well. Dan and I had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or against). Just wanted to make sure that was clear. You seemed to imply otherwise. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation >So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40vf ogroup.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40scho ols.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/opti
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Ah yes: but are all these blind people suited to employment. VFO has blind people on staff, and like any business - it can only employ a finite number of people GW Micro employed blind people. I remember the flair brought to training by the late Clarence Wayley. (apologise if last name is not correct) and we had frequent input from Jeremy. The real requirement in this industry is the right people with the right skills. I am sure that VFO believes that its staff are the right people with the right skills. Based solely on the moaning I've seen of late, some of you moaners would not be the right people with the right skills. But - perhaps yo deserve a chance. So: cold call; submit proposals; maybe get out and enjoy life. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 12:50 a.m. To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation You don't learn by reading manuals you learn by practicing. If I have a problem with Verizon I can call them 24/7, granted they know nothing about screen readers. There are plenty of blind people out there who are not working who could be hired by these screen readers and work from home helping when you call for tech support. If vfo gave 24/7 tech support and you had pay to get it I would be willing to get it -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:22 AM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Richard you already say you have no time to read books or listen to tutorials Where will you have time for one on one training that you will be paying for? If you got it for free how many hours do you think your entitled to? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:11 AM To: 'richard kurlander'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Raul A. Gallegos' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Richard, Let's move away from the screen reader aspect here slightly. What you are really asking for is for some hands on training on a new purchase to be provided as part of the purchase price. It certainly cannot be provided at any cost to the company employing the trainer. Would you, in fact, be prepared to pay the enhanced rate? Remember, some might not. In which case there would need to be a two, or more, tiered pricing structure. In the final analysis you should remember that there is no such thing as a free lunch; it is paid for by somebody. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:36 AM To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and >Chrome? There is always choice. >-- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer >- RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: >832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal >Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: >train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any teacher >that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.†- David >Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and >everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only >screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If >Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which >they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For >membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-w
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Hi, Yes, I would appreciate Braille too. I never listened to a talking book all the way through until I was a college sophomore, and I did not deal were recordings for textbooks until my freshman year. That was many years ago-1959. That's why I'd like a full manual. Then I could at least make an electronic braille file out of it. Evelyn - Original Message - From: Matthew Chao via Talk you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in these companies should give hands on training for free not just say read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer �쏛ny teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.�� - David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.k urlander%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nat aliej%40kingcon.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mat tchao%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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Yes: I agree with this. One of the suggestions I gave as part of the fscast is exactly this. I'd chuck it on to my Varioultra (oops sorry VFO) and browse through as part of my commute - for example. It could be a set of files loaded as a subfolder into a JFW main folder at time of install. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of evelyn weckerly via Talk Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 10:41 a.m. To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Hi, Yes, I would appreciate Braille too. I never listened to a talking book all the way through until I was a college sophomore, and I did not deal were recordings for textbooks until my freshman year. That was many years ago-1959. That's why I'd like a full manual. Then I could at least make an electronic braille file out of it. Evelyn - Original Message - From: Matthew Chao via Talk We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.k urlander%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nat aliej%40kingcon.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mat tchao%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. --- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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David, your message came to the list. At 05:51 PM 5/17/2017, you wrote: Hi Darrel, I live in Illinois and was wondering if you could give me the name of someone or an agency where I can go to get assistance with JFW? I would greatly appreciate this. Just so you know I sent this message to you privately so you are not flooded with others asking you the same thing. This list has been totally crazy the last few days and I am about to just start hitting delete on messages. David Crowell -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwc63=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:12 AM To: Kurlander Richard (75) ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation And I'm JAWS certified, and am the only one in Tennessee. If anyone needs or wants help, email me off list at dgbow...@msn.com. I'll even offer remote training in my spare time. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:36 AM To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation I understand, however however all screen reading companies should try to work together it would really help. You and Aaron were always helpful when you had a web page problem and it would be nice if you and Aaron could push vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard layout for jaws. Companies need to have 24 hour tech support since blind people are on the computer at all hours like sighted people. I work all day and when I get home the last thing that I want to do is listen to tutorials, there should be a cheat sheet with all the jaws key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:17 AM To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Orlando, Just to be clear, Dan and I sold GW Micro to Ai Squared. It was a perfect match for Ai Squared and GW Micro because they didn't have a full screen reader and we didn't have screen enlargement. The merger worked very well. Dan and I had no say in the merger of Ai Squared and VFO Group (for or against). Just wanted to make sure that was clear. You seemed to imply otherwise. Regards, Doug -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:52 PM To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation >So, no monopoly here, yet. Just business. >The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets. >The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not. Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: of...@verizon.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgeoffray%40vf ogroup.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rkurlan%40scho ols.nyc.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For member
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Hi regarding Braille, I suggest you to goto: Hadley school, see below: http://www.hadley-school.org/ Michael Micallef Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA) Email: Office: URL: FB: michael.mical...@gov.mt +356 2599 2343 http://www.fitamalta.eu http://on.fb.me/1hCRTAx Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Natalie via Talk Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 18:48 To: richard kurlander; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation I need braille to learn. Any info.?Natalie Johnson On 5/17/2017 1:36 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote: > you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in > these companies should give hands on training for free not just say > read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I > learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have > the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I > have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen > reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader > companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >> Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and >> Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive >> Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 >> Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work >> Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any >> teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.†- >> David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via >> Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be >> gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the >> only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? >> If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office >> which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. >> > ___ Any views or >> opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and >> do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership >> options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/r.kurlander%40verizon.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List >> archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nataliej%40kingcon.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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NVDA works with Edge. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: 16 May 2017 19:36 To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > > I agree either accept the offer or don't. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM > To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation > > With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have > realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and > experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys > (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so > probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but > others need far more than I do. > > No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have > to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or > commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). > >> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >> Subject: whole migrating situation >> >> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are >> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and >> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo >> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the >> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have >> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen >> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application >> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck >> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a >> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that >> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. >> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or >> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think >> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where >> are the cheat sheets that > c >> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. >> All > screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that > you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with > Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to > help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should > be trained with all screne readers. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksara > mes%40 > msn.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> . >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1 > 982%40 > gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes
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Hi, Actually I think those virtual ribbons get in the way, because they disable Microsoft's shortcuts. For example, if you want to update Office, you can just press alt, then F, then D, then R, then you're in the updates window. But try that with virtual ribbons turned on. I recommend learning the Office interface. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 16 May 2017 19:55 To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > > I agree either accept the offer or don't. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM > To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation > > With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have > realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and > experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys > (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so > probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but > others need far more than I do. > > No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have > to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or > commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). > >> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Kurlander Richard (75) >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >> Subject: whole migrating situation >> >> As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are >> using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and >> Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo >> bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the >> screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have >> to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen >> readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application >> keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck >> to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a >> window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that >> Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. >> I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or >> listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think >> I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where >> are the cheat sheets that > c >> an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. >> All > screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that > you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with > Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to > help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should > be trained with all screne readers. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksara > mes%40 > msn.com. >> Fo
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Last November I had an issue where those virtual ribbons got in the way of Braille output. We turned them off and the display worked as it should. I can't remember the specifics of the situation but do know turning them off restored functionality. Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more. Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower Original Message From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:12 AM EST To: 'Dennis Long'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: whole migrating situation Hi, Actually I think those virtual ribbons get in the way, because they disable Microsoft's shortcuts. For example, if you want to update Office, you can just press alt, then F, then D, then R, then you're in the updates window. But try that with virtual ribbons turned on. I recommend learning the Office interface. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 16 May 2017 19:55 To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricat
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And according to the podcast where they talk about Window-eyes, it was said JAWS 18 will in July. Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more. Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower Original Message From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:11 AM EST To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: whole migrating situation NVDA works with Edge. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: 16 May 2017 19:36 To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksara mes%40 msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . _
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I agree with Chris people need to listen to the podcast. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:46 AM To: Steve Nutt via Talk Subject: Re: whole migrating situation And according to the podcast where they talk about Window-eyes, it was said JAWS 18 will in July. Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more. Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower Original Message From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:11 AM EST To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: whole migrating situation NVDA works with Edge. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: 16 May 2017 19:36 To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes
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Yep they are a pain. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk Sent: 21 May 2017 11:45 To: Steve Nutt via Talk Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Last November I had an issue where those virtual ribbons got in the way of Braille output. We turned them off and the display worked as it should. I can't remember the specifics of the situation but do know turning them off restored functionality. Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more. Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower Original Message From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:12 AM EST To: 'Dennis Long'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: whole migrating situation Hi, Actually I think those virtual ribbons get in the way, because they disable Microsoft's shortcuts. For example, if you want to update Office, you can just press alt, then F, then D, then R, then you're in the updates window. But try that with virtual ribbons turned on. I recommend learning the Office interface. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 16 May 2017 19:55 To: 'Kurlander Richard (75)' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: whole migrating situation Learn jaws it has virtual ribbons -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:36 PM To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: whole migrating situation We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? If Microsoft decides to change windows to do updates and office which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became harder. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:53 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: whole migrating situation Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind
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Hi Richard: We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and we have to get used to it. Many people did not like when DOS was fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did. I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river. It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies. That's the way it is. Kevin Huber On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Kurlander Richard (75) > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' > Subject: whole migrating situation > > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using > window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all > of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these > other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close > to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. > I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow > keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is > a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have > had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that > Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome > any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel > or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I > have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the > cheat sheets that c > an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All > screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you > have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well > as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The > Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne > readers. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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That's one thing that's predictable: CHANGE!--Matthew Chao On 5/16/2017 10:28 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote: Hi Richard: We have to realize that Change happens whether we like it or not, and we have to get used to it. Many people did not like when DOS was fazed out, if you remember, but we had to adapt and most of us did. I don't think that anybody intentionally sold anybody down the river. It's just that big companies eat up smaller companies. That's the way it is. Kevin Huber On 5/16/17, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Kurlander Richard (75) > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' > Subject: whole migrating situation > > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using > window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of > gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other > companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each > other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think > that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab > keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in > the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a > window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft > wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. > I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to > pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or > energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c > an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All > screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you > have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well > as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The > Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne > readers. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Kurlander Richard (75) > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' > Subject: whole migrating situation > > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are > using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and > Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo > bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the > screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have > to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers > you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not > use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep > switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes > keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants > everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. > I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or > listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I > have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are > the cheat sheets that c > an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
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It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (750000); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Kurlander Richard (75) > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' > Subject: whole migrating situation > > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are > using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and > Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo > bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the > screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have > to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers > you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not > use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep > switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes > keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants > everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. > I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or > listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I > have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are > the cheat sheets that c > an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai
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So, blind people shouldn’t need to use a cane to get around. We shouldn’t need a guide dog either. Sighted people just walk around all day. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:39 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (750000); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Kurlander Richard (75) > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' > Subject: whole migrating situation > > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are > using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and > Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo > bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the > screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have > to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers > you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not > use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep > switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes > keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants > everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. > I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or > listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I > have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are > the cheat sheets that c > an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For
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Richard, Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from their inception. However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for the problem came up with speech reading software. I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full time for many years for nothing. How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader manufacturers. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (750000); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Kurlander Richard (75) > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' > Subject: whole migrating situation > > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are > using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and > Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo > bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the > screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have > to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers > you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not > use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep > switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes > keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants > everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. > I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or > listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I > have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are > the cheat sheets that c > an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all scr
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If Microsoft really wanted to push product and promote customer goodwill (not that they need to do that), they'd follow Apple's lead and make Windows more accessible out of the box. I'm not happy about the Window-Eyes debacle, nor the monoply that VFO appears to be creating. Perhaps we as a group should be louder in what we want to remain productive. For me, an easy-to-use and unobtrusive screenreader is a big priority. That's just for starters. Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao. On 5/16/2017 4:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote: Richard, Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from their inception. However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for the problem came up with speech reading software. I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full time for many years for nothing. How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader manufacturers. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (750000); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to li
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narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to microsoft at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put speech into windows. On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote: Richard, Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from their inception. However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for the problem came up with speech reading software. I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full time for many years for nothing. How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader manufacturers. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (750000); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with
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There is nothing free, someone has to pay for it. You can't expect a company like GWMicro to provide WE to blind people. free. However a company like Microsoft could develope a screen reader where all blind people could have access, the cost could be spread acros millions of Windows user and cost would minial. - Original Message - From: "Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk" To: "Dennis Long" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:27 PM Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are the cheat sheets that c an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne readers. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com . ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-
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AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they don't have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to braille. gw micro should have been working with microsoft from the getgo. People can work from home and work in their underwear to help people, that's why vfo should have 24 hour tech support. t 04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Richard, Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from their inception. However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for the problem came up with speech reading software. I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full time for many years for nothing. How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader manufacturers. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (750000); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Kurlander Richard (750000) > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' > Subject: whole migrating situation > > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are > using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and > Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo > bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the > screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have > to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers > you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not > use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep > switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes > keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants > everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more. > I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or > listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I > have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are > the cheat sheets that c > an be se
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Wow your unreasonable to say the least -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:50 AM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they don't have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to braille. gw micro should have been working with microsoft from the getgo. People can work from home and work in their underwear to help people, that's why vfo should have 24 hour tech support. t 04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Richard, > >Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. >That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if >not from their inception. > >However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. >Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is >not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not >have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. > >Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions >for the problem came up with speech reading software. > >I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power >full time for many years for nothing. >How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? > >~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader >manufacturers. > > > > >Regards, John > >Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > >-Original Message- >From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM >To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List >Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation > >It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people >do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra >software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind >people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. >I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes >up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the >world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me >that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have >to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. >Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use >any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. > >-Original Message- >From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On >Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM >To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > >Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation > >I agree either accept the offer or don't. > >-Original Message- >From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM >To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List >Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation > >With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have >realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and >experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys >(for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so >probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but >others need far more than I do. > >No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have >to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or >commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). > >On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kurlander Richard (75) > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM > > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' > > Subject: whole migrating situation > > > > As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are > > using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and > > Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since > > vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried to make > > the screen readers as close to each other as
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And what if Microsoft wasn't interested? It would be nice if we were a strong economic force with leverage, but we're not. On 5/17/2017 1:50 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote: > AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they > don't have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to > braille. gw micro should have been working with microsoft from the > getgo. People can work from home and work in their underwear to help > people, that's why vfo should have 24 hour tech support. t 04:25 PM > 5/16/2017, you wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That >> has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not >> from >> their inception. >> >> However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech >> capability. >> Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not >> designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have >> good >> enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. >> >> Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the >> solutions for >> the problem came up with speech reading software. >> >> I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain >> power full >> time for many years for nothing. >> How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their >> families? >> >> ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader >> manufacturers. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, John >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >> >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM >> To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation >> >> It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people >> do not >> need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra >> software and >> even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be >> given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of >> your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are >> completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm >> not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work >> and if I >> am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be >> able >> use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click >> and >> drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key >> strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM >> To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> >> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation >> >> I agree either accept the offer or don't. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM >> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation >> >> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have >> realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and >> experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for >> example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so >> probably >> any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others >> need far >> more than I do. >> >> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to >> adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial >> (meaning for the sighted public as well). >> >> On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Kurlander Richard (75) >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM >> > To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' >
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How am I unreasonable when mlb wasn't working you would be moaning and groaning calling everyone you could since you have the time to do it since you don't work. You seem to be knowledgable, so why don't you go to vfo and ask them if they can use you as a consultant so you can get paid? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:55 AM To: 'richard kurlander' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation Wow your unreasonable to say the least -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:50 AM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they don't have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to braille. gw micro should have been working with microsoft from the getgo. People can work from home and work in their underwear to help people, that's why vfo should have 24 hour tech support. t 04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >Richard, > >Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. >That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if >not from their inception. > >However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. >Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is >not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not >have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. > >Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions >for the problem came up with speech reading software. > >I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power >full time for many years for nothing. >How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? > >~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader >manufacturers. > > > > >Regards, John > >Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > >-Original Message- >From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM >To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List >Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation > >It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people >do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra >software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind >people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. >I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes >up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the >world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me >that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have >to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. >Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use >any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. > >-Original Message----- >From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On >Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM >To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > >Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation > >I agree either accept the offer or don't. > >-Original Message- >From: Talk >[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM >To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List >Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation > >With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have >realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and >experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys >(for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so >probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but >others need far more than I do. > >No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have >to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or >commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). > >On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > >
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unsubscribe On 5/17/2017 9:04 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: How am I unreasonable when mlb wasn't working you would be moaning and groaning calling everyone you could since you have the time to do it since you don't work. You seem to be knowledgable, so why don't you go to vfo and ask them if they can use you as a consultant so you can get paid? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:55 AM To: 'richard kurlander' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation Wow your unreasonable to say the least -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:50 AM To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they don't have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to braille. gw micro should have been working with microsoft from the getgo. People can work from home and work in their underwear to help people, that's why vfo should have 24 hour tech support. t 04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: Richard, Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from their inception. However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability. Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for the problem came up with speech reading software. I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full time for many years for nothing. How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader manufacturers. Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation I agree either accept the offer or don't. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far more than I do. No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well). On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: -Original Message----- From: Kurlander Richard (75) Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' Subject: whole migrating situation As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are using window-eyes were sold down t
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Hi Colleen, If you want to unsubscribe, click the second last link in this message, and paste your email address in the appropriate edit box. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Colleen Huff via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:14 AM To: Kurlander Richard (75) ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation unsubscribe On 5/17/2017 9:04 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > How am I unreasonable when mlb wasn't working you would be moaning and > groaning calling everyone you could since you have the time to do it since > you don't work. You seem to be knowledgable, so why don't you go to vfo and > ask them if they can use you as a consultant so you can get paid? > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Dennis Long via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:55 AM > To: 'richard kurlander' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion > List' > Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation > > Wow your unreasonable to say the least > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:50 AM > To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation > > AI have a full time job, a lot of blindpeople are unemployeed and they don't > have the money to even buy software or embossers if they want to braille. gw > micro should have been working with microsoft from the getgo. People can > work from home and work in their underwear to help people, that's why vfo > should have 24 hour tech support. t > 04:25 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. >> That has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if >> not from their inception. >> >> However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech > capability. >> Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is >> not designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not >> have good enough functionality for anything other than the simplest. >> >> Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions >> for the problem came up with speech reading software. >> >> I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power >> full time for many years for nothing. >> How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families? >> >> ~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader >> manufacturers. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, John >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM >> To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation >> >> It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people >> do not need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra >> software and even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind >> people should be given software so they can survive in this tech world. >> I've read many of your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes >> up and you are completely right however you have all the time in the >> world since and I'm not trying to offend you, but once you told me >> that you don't work and if I am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have >> to go a million steps to be able use a computer if you are blind. >> Sighted people all they do is click and drag all day long. If they use >> any key strokes it is the windows key strokes since they don't need to > know any key strokes. >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM >> To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> >> Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation >> >> I agree either accept the offer or don't. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl198