Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
k...@vielevisels wrote: > Hi, > many people tag ways, which are incomplete and show just the beginning, > with the note (or FIXME) = stub. In the wiki, the tag noexit=no is > intended for this. I think it would be helpful have one way to tag this > and to render both (dead-ends and incomplete ways), to show where work has > to be done. > > Any comments on this? I agree that using noexit=no is a good thing to do. > PS: noexit=no is not without problems, often there are ways which start as > a very good track, but end after some kilometers. So a tag displaying that > only the beginning of the track is displayed, would be better Why? If a way/node is noexit=no, you are telling people that this road continues somewhere, somehow. As I understand it, it could be the same road, or another one crossing. The first case, being the same road, applies here -- dead end roads where only the beginning has been mapped. Anyways, what's the current way of using noexit=*? I've always used that on ways, the wiki suggests that too, but reading the Talk page it seems like there was some intention to tag the final node with it? Also josm shows the dead-end signal when applied to a node. Did I miss something? Kindly, David -- . ''`. Debian maintainer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://snipr.com/qa_page `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] geolocation with GPS in iPhone Safari ???
Hi all
I'm playing with iPhone and have a problem.
The geolocation API in iPhone Safari does not give the correct position.
It looks like the iPhone Safari does not use the built in GPS. Instead
(I guess) it uses the position of WLAN Hotspots for locating the own
position.
The {enableHighAccuracy:true} should switch on the GPS but it does not.
If I use Google Maps Application the GPS is available and if I switch
from googlemaps to the browser, the accuracy is ok - but only for some
seconds.
Can somebody confirm that iPhone Safari has no access to GPS?
Here you can see the accuray if you have an iPhone:
QR-Code:
*http://tinyurl.com/yby7k2m*
The map:
http://lamp2.fhstp.ac.at/~lbz/beispiele/ws2009/litemap/
Bernhard
PS: To have a simple example there is a static map (no Slippymap) in
this page. It does not work with Android.
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[OSM-talk] Help from Tourist office?
Hi, i recently travelled to a city with nearly 40.000 inhabitants and was surprised, that almost no hotels, restaurants and other amenities were in OSM. So I had the idea to contact the tourist office with a short introduction on OSM and how to tag, to give this to shops, hotels, restaurants and so on. So with no effort, all these shops can have their business in OSM. Did anyone try this? What do you think of the idea? Kai___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
k...@vielevisels wrote: >Hi, >many people tag ways, which are incomplete and show just the >beginning, with the note (or FIXME) = stub. In the wiki, the tag >noexit=no is intended for this. I think it would be helpful have one >way to tag this and to render both (dead-ends and incomplete ways), to >show where work has to be done. I have seen some stub=yes: http://osmdoc.com/de/tag/stub/#values Regards malenki ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
Hi, many people tag ways, which are incomplete and show just the beginning, with the note (or FIXME) = stub. In the wiki, the tag noexit=no is intended for this. I think it would be helpful have one way to tag this and to render both (dead-ends and incomplete ways), to show where work has to be done. Any comments on this? Kai PS: noexit=no is not without problems, often there are ways which start as a very good track, but end after some kilometers. So a tag displaying that only the beginning of the track is displayed, would be better___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Map Key for Osmarender/ti...@home
Hi, i'm developer of a linux-tool for viewing the map (http://gosm.sf.net). This tool works with tiles from mapnik, osmarender and cyclemap and has a feature for displaying a map-key on the left. I found a map-key for mapnik (http://www.openstreetmap.org/key?layer=mapnik&zoom=14), but i could not find any for osmarender? Do you know, if there already is some map-key around somewhere? Thx Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
On 23/09/2009, at 12.44, Robert Scott wrote: > Very. Getting steady images from a balloon would be very difficult, > even with a gimbal. The payload swings like a pendulum. You also > wouldn't be able to control where the balloon went. You would have a > very hard time fighting against wind with an RC blimp. How about hot-air ballons? They only fly under very low wind conditions, and although I've never been on one, I'm sure they don't swing all that much. If it were possible to produce a cheap and light-weight little box with a gyro-stabilized gimbal containing a camera and a GPS logger, we might be able to persuade balloon skippers to take it along. The altitude these things fly is 3-500 meters (I estimate) and that would give extremely high resolution aerial photos. -- Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
2009/9/26 Morten Kjeldgaard : > If it were possible to produce a cheap and light-weight little box > with a gyro-stabilized gimbal containing a camera and a GPS logger, we You don't need gyro stabilised if you have a fast shutter. People are using all sorts of things to do aerial photography, helium balloons, kites, rc blimps... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGGaaddpGA8&feature=related There is even videos on how to make 2 axis + shutter camera holders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXMcYdvuovY Although for this purpose vertically down would be the most beneficial I think. Kites would be too limiting. Anyone know anything about UAV blimps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apcILH995AI ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Help from Tourist office?
Hi, Great idea, What im working on (for Across Canada). Is actually going ahead and filling in those amenities that the typical town-visitor would like to see (myself). So I will be able to, probably using KOSMOS, create a nice map of the town, then just donate the map to the tourist office. And they can make copies of it. What i would then do is ask the people at the tourist office, for when they actually draw on the map, and indicate things which are not listed, to make a 'working-copy', so then i can go back to the tourist office at a later date, and show them (in person) how to edit the map. And make a new version, and print it off. (Considering we know that most of the time there are LOTS of things missing on other tourist maps.) :-) Alot of the tourist offices i have been to offer a computer with internet access todo local searches and email. (sometimes for a fee), and some have wi-fi. since i use a mini-notebook, it's easy to show people on-the-fly. ... at least thats what i plan on doing, once this Canada Import is well underway. .. Probably for next year. Have fun, Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 6:45 AM, k...@vielevisels wrote: > Hi, > i recently travelled to a city with nearly 40.000 inhabitants and was > surprised, that almost no hotels, restaurants and other amenities were in > OSM. > So I had the idea to contact the tourist office with a short introduction > on OSM and how to tag, to give this to shops, hotels, restaurants and so on. > So with no effort, all these shops can have their business in OSM. > Did anyone try this? What do you think of the idea? > Kai > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
k...@vielevisels wrote: > Hi, > many people tag ways, which are incomplete and show just the > beginning, with the note (or FIXME) = stub. In the wiki, the tag > noexit=no is intended for this. > I think it would be helpful have one way to tag this and to render > both (dead-ends and incomplete ways), to show where work has to be done. > > Any comments on this? > > Kai > > PS: noexit=no is not without problems, often there are ways which > start as a very good track, but end after some kilometers. So a tag > displaying that only the beginning of the track is displayed, would be > better Thanks for pointing this out. Would you tag the whole way of just the end node? Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Help from Tourist office?
El Sábado, 26 de Septiembre de 2009, k...@vielevisels escribió: > I had the idea to contact the tourist office [...] What do you think of the > idea? It may work, it may not work. Some tourist offices may want to do their job and promote the city and the services and amenities it offers. On the other hand, however, some tourist offices may want *their* tourism web portal to be the *only* source of information for the city. (Which is a pretty stupid thing, given that tourists ought to know all the local web portals when preparing a trip, instead of going to e.g. OSM or Wikitravel) So, good luck ;-) -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega This is the first age that's paid much attention to the future, which is a little ironic since we may not have one. -- Arthur Clarke ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
On 26/09/2009 15:00, k...@vielevisels wrote: > Hi, > many people tag ways, which are incomplete and show just the beginning, > with the note (or FIXME) = stub. In the wiki, the tag noexit=no is > intended for this. > I think it would be helpful have one way to tag this and to render both > (dead-ends and incomplete ways), to show where work has to be done. > > Any comments on this? I've taken to doing this (not my idea, I borrowed it) to indicate the opposite: a way that is to be continued. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.41903&lon=0.14988&zoom=17&layers=B000FTFT I've seen others use three ways as "dots" as in an ellipsis for similar. One of the first things I proposed when I joined OSM was a "to be continued" tag which would be rendered. I think something like this only works if it is rendered because the whole point is to indicate to people where there is (or isn't depending which way round you do it) work to be done. I'd much prefer a tag for the purpose that this rather clumsy graphic but it needs rendering and since there was no enthusiasm for doing that at the time (this was three years ago). The problem about having a "dead end" tag is that then the implication is that everything else is incomplete, and that's essentially everything (that just ends). It is a much harder job to tag the true dead ends than the missing links which in any case will reduce over time. Perhaps it's time to promote the "to be continued" taga again. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
David Earl wrote: > On 26/09/2009 15:00, k...@vielevisels wrote: > >> Hi, >> many people tag ways, which are incomplete and show just the beginning, >> with the note (or FIXME) = stub. In the wiki, the tag noexit=no is >> intended for this. >> I think it would be helpful have one way to tag this and to render both >> (dead-ends and incomplete ways), to show where work has to be done. >> >> Any comments on this? >> > > I've taken to doing this (not my idea, I borrowed it) to indicate the > opposite: a way that is to be continued. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.41903&lon=0.14988&zoom=17&layers=B000FTFT > I've seen others use three ways as "dots" as in an ellipsis for similar. > To get it rendered, however, you've mapped it as a byway which doubles back on itself. I don't think this is clear, accurate mapping. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Help from Tourist office?
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > El Sábado, 26 de Septiembre de 2009, k...@vielevisels escribió: > >> I had the idea to contact the tourist office [...] What do you think of the >> idea? >> > > It may work, it may not work. > > Some tourist offices may want to do their job and promote the city and the > services and amenities it offers. On the other hand, however, some tourist > offices may want *their* tourism web portal to be the *only* source of > information for the city. > > (Which is a pretty stupid thing, given that tourists ought to know all the > local web portals when preparing a trip, instead of going to e.g. OSM or > Wikitravel) > > > So, good luck ;-) > > > I have to concur with Ivan. Whenever I've travelled the English tourist board appears to have a limited number of hotels on its books, usually of the middle to expensive variety. Does anybody know if they work on commission? Also with the credit crunch, so many tourist amenities are opening/closing & even reopening! it's hard for anyone to keep up. If a hotel is going out of business the last thing on the owners mind is to 'phone up the local tourist board. Best thing is to walk around your home town collating info & hope there's an equivalent in the city you next want to visit. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] walking-papers.org is dead?
Eep. I'm not sure what happened there - it looked like it was working correctly, and didn't send me the SMS that it's supposed to when it goes down, yet it was busted. I've given the image processor a hard kick. -mike. On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, SteveC wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: ouɐɯnH >> Date: 25 September 2009 14:53:41 PDT >> To: osm >> Subject: [OSM-talk] walking-papers.org is dead? >> >> walking-papers.org is dead? >> >> some time ago I can not upload sanners, >> anyone know anything about this? >> >> salu2 >> Humano >> >> -- >> http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud >> --///-- >> Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) >> skype: llamarafredyrivera >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > Yours &c. > > Steve > > michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
On 26/09/2009, at 14.50, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/26 Morten Kjeldgaard : >> If it were possible to produce a cheap and light-weight little box >> with a gyro-stabilized gimbal containing a camera and a GPS logger, >> we > > You don't need gyro stabilised if you have a fast shutter. Well, my thought was to have the camera plane at all times perpendicular to the vertical axis, i.e. a weight mounted on the gimbal somehow. I know that a certain amount of correction can be performed on the images, but I think it is better to have as accurate photos as possible, that are known to be in a direction towards the center of the earth. Even so, there's a correction that needs to be performed to compensate for the distortion by the camera lens. > People are using all sorts of things to do aerial photography, helium > balloons, kites, rc blimps... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGGaaddpGA8&feature=related Oh, that video is beautiful! :-) Cheers, Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
On 26/09/2009 18:20, Dave F. wrote: > David Earl wrote: >> On 26/09/2009 15:00, k...@vielevisels wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> many people tag ways, which are incomplete and show just the >>> beginning, with the note (or FIXME) = stub. In the wiki, the tag >>> noexit=no is intended for this. >>> I think it would be helpful have one way to tag this and to render >>> both (dead-ends and incomplete ways), to show where work has to be done. >>> >>> Any comments on this? >>> >> >> I've taken to doing this (not my idea, I borrowed it) to indicate the >> opposite: a way that is to be continued. >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.41903&lon=0.14988&zoom=17&layers=B000FTFT >> >> >> I've seen others use three ways as "dots" as in an ellipsis for similar. >> > To get it rendered, however, you've mapped it as a byway which doubles > back on itself. > I don't think this is clear, accurate mapping. In the absence of any supported tag for the purpose it does its job. If you saw that you'd know the intention, surely? If the self intersection is bothering you, it could be done as two ways: 2 22 2 2 111+ 2 2 2 22 2 but the self intersection on something that is not real-world anyway hardly matters. But as I said, I'd much rather have a specific, rendered, "more to do here" tag for stubs that is removed when the way is extended. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
> > But as I said, I'd much rather have a specific, rendered, "more to do > here" tag for stubs that is removed when the way is extended. > not a good idea for the normal map. have you ever seen any other commercial map with "hey look this map is incomplete BS" info? sure it makes sense to get this info somehow into special maps for mappers. one option is to add it to garmin maps and you will see it when out there on survey. another option could be to add custom POI or use the geocache features of a gps device. > > David > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
On 26/09/2009 19:09, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > But as I said, I'd much rather have a specific, rendered, "more to do > here" tag for stubs that is removed when the way is extended. > not a good idea for the normal map. have you ever seen any other > commercial map with "hey look this map is incomplete BS" info? On the contrary. It's something that *increases* confidence in the map, as at least you know. It's being honest. There are no other maps like OSM really, which is why people have expectations that all maps are complete. At least if you tell people they know what to expect. And in any case, we mappers are currently the biggest consumer of our own maps. I think, and have thought from the beginning, that clear indications of completeness or otherwise would help everyone enormously. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
On Saturday 26 September 2009 20:09:34 Apollinaris Schoell wrote: There are GroundTruth styles (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GroundTruth_Hiking_Map#IconTodoJunction) with support for tags todo=continue and todo=junction In this sample (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:GroundTruth_Collage.png) nodes with tag todo=continue are represented as purple dots, while nodes with tag todo=junction are shown as purple x-es. > > But as I said, I'd much rather have a specific, rendered, "more to do > > here" tag for stubs that is removed when the way is extended. > > not a good idea for the normal map. have you ever seen any other commercial > map with "hey look this map is incomplete BS" info? > sure it makes sense to get this info somehow into special maps for mappers. > one option is to add it to garmin maps and you will see it when out there > on survey. another option could be to add custom POI or use the geocache > features of a gps device. > > > David > > > > > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM
If you are in the UK it might be a good idea to contact these people for help/advice: http://ukhas.org.uk/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:15 AM, David Earl wrote: > On 26/09/2009 19:09, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > >>But as I said, I'd much rather have a specific, rendered, "more to do >>here" tag for stubs that is removed when the way is extended. >> not a good idea for the normal map. have you ever seen any other >> commercial map with "hey look this map is incomplete BS" info? >> > > On the contrary. It's something that *increases* confidence in the map, as > at least you know. It's being honest. There are no other maps like OSM > really, which is why people have expectations that all maps are complete. At > least if you tell people they know what to expect. And in any case, we > mappers are currently the biggest consumer of our own maps. > > agreed if we keep osm a geeky projects for mappers without any usefulness until we finish the project. but it is already useful for others. let's have it useful for all. the geeks can render their own maps with all fancy bug/maplint overlays easily. fixme tags are shown as warning in Josm validator. there is already openstreetbugs,keepright, maplint, offering something for the average mapper. there is no need to have such a thing on a main map. > I think, and have thought from the beginning, that clear indications of > completeness or otherwise would help everyone enormously. > > absolutely, but it's important not to break things for the different minded consumers of the data and maps. > David > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
You see, this is where I get /really /confused I see no reference to 'todo' or 'continue' in the general OSM wiki. In the Groundtruth wiki page they're highlighted red, saying there there no reference page. I'm repeatedly told "don't tag for the renderers" Yet it appears in this case the renderers are telling the mappers what to do. The previous post implies these tags will only work in Groundtruth renders. What am I not understanding? At the moment it looks like the left hand is deliberately not telling the right what is going on. I fully support the endeavours of OSM but the hierarchical stature of it leaves me baffled at the moment. Oh, & Liz, if you're reading. please don't post to tell me some of the 'regulars' have anarchy symbols on the blog page as if that some how makes it all OK. I hope you can all show me the light. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Dave F. wrote: > You see, this is where I get /really /confused > > I see no reference to 'todo' or 'continue' in the general OSM wiki. > In the Groundtruth wiki page they're highlighted red, saying there there > no reference page. > If you think there is a need, write it yourself. there is no boss, no president or whatsoever telling you what to do. You are free to do what you want as long as you don't step on someone else toes. then they will revert it > > I'm repeatedly told "don't tag for the renderers" > > +1 > Yet it appears in this case the renderers are telling the mappers what > to do. > reality is we all do since the renderer use a set of well established rules. but osm contains many tags not rendered. and they will never be. but other applications will use them. The previous post implies these tags will only work in Groundtruth renders. > > What am I not understanding? > crowd sourcing is anarchy and freedom. but only if things are done a certain way it will be useful and it will be used. > > At the moment it looks like the left hand is deliberately not > telling the right what is going on. > > I guess this happens to everyone at some time. > I fully support the endeavours of OSM but the hierarchical stature of it > leaves me baffled at the moment. > it's a great project. it moves in directions no one can predict. hopefully develops into something great. definitely nothing we have seen before. if it's too much freedom and chaos for some, bad luck ;-) if you are interested in something go for it and find others doing the same. > > Oh, & Liz, if you're reading. please don't post to tell me some of the > 'regulars' have anarchy symbols on the blog page as if that some how > makes it all OK. > > really it is OK. if you don't like it do it in a better way. > I hope you can all show me the light. > If you have specific interest, then work on it. others will work on it if they see the value. first time when I read about osm all areas I knew where blank and I considered a useless attempt. a few month later there was something to build on and it turned out as a lot of fun. sometimes I add a new type of POI someone posted about just for testing in an area and suddenly others do the same. it's unpredictable and an experiment and it works > > Cheers > Dave F. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] zoomlevel 8 rendering
When does zoomlevel 8 get rendered? River Lena for example did not update on zoomlevel 8 since 24. July! (1) No problem for zoomlevel 9 though (2)... Roman (1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=61.215&lon=128.018&zoom=8&layers=B000FTF (2) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=61.215&lon=128.018&zoom=9&layers=B000FTF > Send talk mailing list submissions to > talk@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Help from Tourist office? (Sam Vekemans) >2. Re: How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish themfrom > incomplete ways (David Paleino) >3. Re: Help from Tourist office? (Iv?n S?nchez Ortega) >4. Re: How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from > incomplete ways (Dave F.) >5. Re: How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from > incomplete ways (David Earl) >6. Re: How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from > incomplete ways (Dave F.) >7. Re: Help from Tourist office? (Dave F.) >8. Re: walking-papers.org is dead? (Michal Migurski) >9. Re: Satellite for OSM (Morten Kjeldgaard) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:05:50 -0700 > From: Sam Vekemans > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Help from Tourist office? > To: "k...@vielevisels" > Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: > <9dbbf3b20909260905u12c7c7cx820b3eea8928a...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > Great idea, > What im working on (for Across Canada). Is actually going ahead and > filling > in those amenities that the typical town-visitor would like to see > (myself). So I will be able to, probably using KOSMOS, create a nice > map > of the town, then just donate the map to the tourist office. And they > can > make copies of it. > > What i would then do is ask the people at the tourist office, for when > they > actually draw on the map, and indicate things which are not listed, to > make > a 'working-copy', so then i can go back to the tourist office at a later > date, and show them (in person) how to edit the map. And make a new > version, and print it off. (Considering we know that most of the time > there are LOTS of things missing on other tourist maps.) :-) > > Alot of the tourist offices i have been to offer a computer with internet > access todo local searches and email. (sometimes for a fee), and some > have > wi-fi. since i use a mini-notebook, it's easy to show people on-the-fly. > > ... at least thats what i plan on doing, once this Canada Import is well > underway. .. Probably for next year. > > Have fun, > Cheers, > Sam Vekemans > Across Canada Trails > > Twitter: @Acrosscanada > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 6:45 AM, k...@vielevisels > wrote: > >> Hi, >> i recently travelled to a city with nearly 40.000 inhabitants and was >> surprised, that almost no hotels, restaurants and other amenities were >> in >> OSM. >> So I had the idea to contact the tourist office with a short >> introduction >> on OSM and how to tag, to give this to shops, hotels, restaurants and >> so on. >> So with no effort, all these shops can have their business in OSM. >> Did anyone try this? What do you think of the idea? >> Kai >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20090926/64e15498/attachment-0001.htm > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:30:15 +0200 > From: David Paleino > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish > themfrom incomplete ways > To: talk@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: <1365500.atdphls...@home.hanskalabs.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > k...@vielevisels wrote: > >
Re: [OSM-talk] Help from Tourist office?
Yes, tourist boards are on commission, to sell the advertized hotels 1st. Anyway, to answer the initial question better, i would (will) make a map for, and give to (along with neighbouring town maps) Back Packers Hostels/ Bike shops-rental / libraries / community centers / coffee shops. As the indirect approach. ... The authors of those 'tourist maps' are also free to use OSM, ccBYsa. So completing the map helps everyone :-) cheers, Sam On 9/26/09, Dave F. wrote: > Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: >> El Sábado, 26 de Septiembre de 2009, k...@vielevisels escribió: >> >>> I had the idea to contact the tourist office [...] What do you think of >>> the >>> idea? >>> >> >> It may work, it may not work. >> >> Some tourist offices may want to do their job and promote the city and the >> >> services and amenities it offers. On the other hand, however, some tourist >> >> offices may want *their* tourism web portal to be the *only* source of >> information for the city. >> >> (Which is a pretty stupid thing, given that tourists ought to know all the >> >> local web portals when preparing a trip, instead of going to e.g. OSM or >> Wikitravel) >> >> >> So, good luck ;-) >> >> >> > I have to concur with Ivan. Whenever I've travelled the English tourist > board appears to have a limited number of hotels on its books, usually > of the middle to expensive variety. > Does anybody know if they work on commission? > > Also with the credit crunch, so many tourist amenities are > opening/closing & even reopening! it's hard for anyone to keep up. If a > hotel is going out of business the last thing on the owners mind is to > 'phone up the local tourist board. > > Best thing is to walk around your home town collating info & hope > there's an equivalent in the city you next want to visit. > > Cheers > Dave F. > > > > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
