Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Nope. We've been over this many times on the talk-us list, and there > have been enough examples of boundaries not actually following > highways, despite TIGER claiming they do, and highways being realigned > but the boundaries not following, that it's become clear that > boundaries and highways should not be joined. That's not even getting > into cases where one or both is badly aligned, and they appear to > cross when they really don't (and thus joining at the crossing makes > that much more work for someone fixing one or both). I've even seen > this with railroads, where TIGER disagreed with reality, and a > mindless bot went and joined them at the supposed crossings. > I don't understand you. If they don't follow and don't cross, then you don't have duplicate nodes anyway... Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: > I agree, this is great. A couple of quick observations. First, for some > reason, it won't work in Internet Explorer 8 on my machine. Clicking on the > link opens the webpage and OSM top and left sidebars, but displays no map or > options. Opening the link in Firefox works fine. > Ok, I got IE 8.0 working. Perhaps I broke a few other things in the process, but that will have to wait until I get some sleep ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Es Official! El Songa SOTM Mundial!
El día Friday 02 July 2010 10:12:03, Mike Collinson dijo: > I'm taking the Barcelona plane, [1] > Que viva Espana! "España". Get a proper keyboard, goddammit. :-P -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Un ordenador no es una televisión ni un microondas: es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> >> God no. Not until it distinguishes between bad dupes (highway-highway >> at county lines, to use a US example) and OK dupes (highway-boundary). >> > > Ok dupes do not exist (excepted for z). highway-boundary share the same > nodes, if not the same ways. Nope. We've been over this many times on the talk-us list, and there have been enough examples of boundaries not actually following highways, despite TIGER claiming they do, and highways being realigned but the boundaries not following, that it's become clear that boundaries and highways should not be joined. That's not even getting into cases where one or both is badly aligned, and they appear to cross when they really don't (and thus joining at the crossing makes that much more work for someone fixing one or both). I've even seen this with railroads, where TIGER disagreed with reality, and a mindless bot went and joined them at the supposed crossings. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Nic Roets wrote: > I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be > embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: > > http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&; > layers=B000FTFT doesn't show up on Konqueror - i got a map with some broken display features (the scale for the levels, and clicking on the plus does nothing) (about kde4.4.3) firefox showed me the route i didn't want to take quickly, so I added a waypoint to avoid the city using a waypoint this way only showed me from the waypoint to the destination; so i started again and got the sort of result i was expecting. I travelled this route recently using navit as a guide and the results were similar. distance involved - about 900km ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with this week's planet?
Hi Andy, In changeset 5093484, I fixed several roads directly connected to motorways as well as ramps being the in wrong direction. The slippy map got updated a few hours after I made the changes but they are not in the planet file I downloaded yesterday from http://planet.king-nerd.com/planet-100630.osm.bz2 Thanks, N. Nevermind it looks like I had some junk files on my disk. I cleaned up and downloaded a fresh planet and everything is fine. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > God no. Not until it distinguishes between bad dupes (highway-highway > at county lines, to use a US example) and OK dupes (highway-boundary). > > Ok dupes do not exist (excepted for z). highway-boundary share the same nodes, if not the same ways. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Am 02.07.2010 15:03, Nic Roets: I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT Great work. Thanks. Some feedback: - Sorting points in the "Route"-tab: Drag a point (e.g. the start point) downwards. The switching of points should take place earlier, that is when hoovering above the point below for 10px already. Currently you can drag it downwards and cover the existing point completely without them changing positions. - Sorting points in the "Route"-tab: Correct spacing does not work on Opera 10.60 - "intuitively" or rather according to my intuition I clicked into the start point entry field (== place cursor focus there) and then on the map to define my start point. I guess this should be an entry method as well. Currently you can only "click pin then click on map" to set a pin. - Additionally it's not possible to drag a pin from the route tab to the map. Keep up your great work, Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Op 02-07-10 18:28, Richard Weait schreef: It may end up on the main page. It depends. Some say OSM "needs" routing on the front page to be "taken seriously". Others say putting user services like routing on the front page commits too many OSM resources to users, rather than contributors. In between, we've seen that each time another user-facing service appears for OSM, contributors make the data better so that it can take advantage of those services. Rendering, specialty rendering, sibling-site routing, and error-checking sites are all examples of new services improving OSM data through feedback. ___ I think you're right Richard, I really do get a lot of comments from people who use yournavigation.org (and I guess the other routing providers as well) to debug the road network. Routing can also show how mature our data is. But I think your resources argument should be taken seriously, afterall mapping should always be the priority. However, if Gosmore scales good enough then routing would bring a real attribution to the main page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Sincere congratulations Nic, with a job well done and quickly too! We all know that a first version will contain some bugs, but it already looks very promising and, by running this on a beefy developer machine, I hope you get the information needed to improve Gosmore even more. I also hope that this will get the support from the wider community and admins so that one day we can have routing on the main OSM page. It would be awsome. Thanks. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Of course, like everyone else I tested out a route between home and work (although not everyone gets to drive through rural Alberta). It seems that the 'shortest route' is managing to mine out a route via dusty sides streets and the like, however I would challenge the 'fastest route'. The 'fastest' route suggested would actually take approximately 2hr 30min (instead of approx 2hr 10 turning west at Nanton to take 533 and 22). I presume that it is factoring default speed limits for road types, and hopefully allowing some adjustment for junctions/traffic signals/etc. Would it be possible to indicate to assumed speed somehow (colourise the track ala Josm?) so that glitches with the underlying data can be correct. Perhaps another transport option of 'lead foot larry' is required ;-) Simon http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?flat=51.104616684908&flon=-114.04399922361&tlat=49.565378951872&tlon=-114.29256489765&v=motorcar&fast=1&layer=mapnik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:56 AM, woll wrote: > > Is the idea that this demo will become the 'official' OSM routing system? > From the intro post, I can't quite make out if it is going to appear on the > OSM home page, or it is a 'private' demo. > > I know very little about the details/history of the various routing systems > that use OSM, and nothing of the background to this functionality appearing, > but why choose YOURS/Gosmore instead of any of the other "non-commercial" > OSM-based routing systems? > > For example, I have used another OSM-based router that already has good > routing instructions and loads of options, so would appear to also be a good > contender. I'm not advocating a particular one, but would be interested in > hearing a bit about the background of why YOURS was chosen, so I can learn a > bit about such things! "Official" is seldom clear in OSM. "Default" may be more apparent. The real advantage and real strength of Nick's demo is this. Nick built it and then made it work. Then found a way to demonstrate it to all of us. He did a lot of that over time; his routing has been running elsewhere for a while. Then he worked with the admin / server team to find a way to demo it without impacting performance on the main db and tile servers. This looks like a pretty good example of the Just Do It approach that has led to other successes in OSM. SteveC's original concept; "I'll map my neighbourhood, you map yours, soon we'll have a great map of London ^W The World". imi's original work on josm, RichardF's continuing work on Potlatch 1 & 2, OJW's first moving map, Andy & Dave's OpenCycleMap, Etienne's XAPI, Blars' TRAPI, Artem's Mapnik, the list could be endless. (I know I've missed key stuff. Not necessarily in chronological order. Apologies) The level of community participation in these milestones varies, and inspiration comes from so many conversations with others, dreams shared over drinks and pig-headed arguments. But it boils down to this. There is an idea, followed by directed action, then it is shared with the community. And the community decides the default, or what passes for "official". It may end up on the main page. It depends. Some say OSM "needs" routing on the front page to be "taken seriously". Others say putting user services like routing on the front page commits too many OSM resources to users, rather than contributors. In between, we've seen that each time another user-facing service appears for OSM, contributors make the data better so that it can take advantage of those services. Rendering, specialty rendering, sibling-site routing, and error-checking sites are all examples of new services improving OSM data through feedback. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, woll wrote: > > Is the idea that this demo will become the 'official' OSM routing system? > From the intro post, I can't quite make out if it is going to appear on the > OSM home page, or it is a 'private' demo. The sys-admins must decide and that excludes me and the author of YOURS (Lambertus Ijsselstein, who must be thrilled that NL kicked Brazil out of the WC. Die Kaap is weer Hollands !). The sys-admins must in turn take into account the wishes of the community and the recent uservoice survey indicated that getting routing on osm.org is important. > I know very little about the details/history of the various routing systems > that use OSM, and nothing of the background to this functionality appearing, > but why choose YOURS/Gosmore instead of any of the other "non-commercial" > OSM-based routing systems? AFAIK, Gosmore is the only FOSS router capable of meeting the requirements of the community with reasonable hardware: 1. Planet wide coverage. 2. Staying (reasonably) up-to-date 3. Supporting turn-restrictions, destination ways and barriers, otherwise people will have no incentive to tag them. > For example, I have used another OSM-based router that already has good > routing instructions and loads of options, so would appear to also be a good > contender. I'm not advocating a particular one, but would be interested in > hearing a bit about the background of why YOURS was chosen, so I can learn a > bit about such things! > > Thanks. > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Osm-org-Routing-Demo-tp5247667p5248238.html > Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Mike N wrote: It should be noted that this is neither the shortest or fastest route, so there may need to be a new option? There's talk of several back end routing engines (Gosmore/etc), so I'm not sure if I should look at modifying one of these engines, or if I would need to add a new one? To solve such a problem with mathematics and computers, we need a goal function. And it may be impossible to collect all the relevant information objectively. The part that got my attention is that I placed the start and end on the trail - the difference in length was probably only 5%, but it preferred some busy streets without sidewalks. Just like it is possible to send bikes down a 'cycle route', the foot routing logic could use a foot route relation to pick the best way when the distance is reasonable. Just like a pedestrian tunnel and overpass is much longer than trying to cross a busy street, it is often the only feasible option.I think the information is in the map data, but agree that the logic is much different than a car or even possibly cycle routing. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Is the idea that this demo will become the 'official' OSM routing system? >From the intro post, I can't quite make out if it is going to appear on the OSM home page, or it is a 'private' demo. I know very little about the details/history of the various routing systems that use OSM, and nothing of the background to this functionality appearing, but why choose YOURS/Gosmore instead of any of the other "non-commercial" OSM-based routing systems? For example, I have used another OSM-based router that already has good routing instructions and loads of options, so would appear to also be a good contender. I'm not advocating a particular one, but would be interested in hearing a bit about the background of why YOURS was chosen, so I can learn a bit about such things! Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Osm-org-Routing-Demo-tp5247667p5248238.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Nic Roets wrote: I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT I have two issues with it: - in Firefox (3.6.3) I can only set the starting point but no combination I tried managed to get the destination waypoint set - in IE 8 the screen does not open. Well, it opens the left and top OSM sidebars and opens the routing box with nothing in it in the far right corner outside the window. All on Windows XP. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 11:09:57AM -0400, Hillsman, Edward wrote: > Second, I asked for a bicycle route in my city (Tampa, Florida) and > received one that uses a motorway (high-speed limited access highway) Same here (Gliwice, Poland). > and none of the available streets that have cycleway=lane. We don't have such here, but I wish some tracks and paths would be used instead. At least those explicitly market with 'bicycle=yes/designated' or being part of a bicycle route. > Does this > mean that we are now going to have to tag motorways explicitly with > bicycle=no to keep the routing from using them? That should be implied. Greets, Jacek ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
I agree, this is great. A couple of quick observations. First, for some reason, it won't work in Internet Explorer 8 on my machine. Clicking on the link opens the webpage and OSM top and left sidebars, but displays no map or options. Opening the link in Firefox works fine. Second, I asked for a bicycle route in my city (Tampa, Florida) and received one that uses a motorway (high-speed limited access highway) and none of the available streets that have cycleway=lane. Does this mean that we are now going to have to tag motorways explicitly with bicycle=no to keep the routing from using them? Except in a very few cases, mostly in rural areas, the US Interstate Highway system (motorways) is off limits to bicycles, and pretty much everyone knows that (so we haven't been tagging them with bicycle=no). I requested "bicycle" instead of "bicycle (routes)" and got a route that used mainly side streets and no motorways but, again, it seemed to ignore the cycleway=lane streets that I have mapped. Excellent work, but it will open up some things for us to look at (as good work usually does). Thank you, Nick! Ed Hillsman On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 09:47:02 -0400 Richard Weait wrote: >To: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Nic Roets wrote: >> I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be >> embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: >> >> http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT >> > >Nick, This is wonderful! I just did a "reasonable" route and it was >blindingly fast. Fantastic. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On 7/2/2010 10:55 AM, Nic Roets wrote: So it you have a problem in Detroit, please zoom in as far as possible and give us that permalink. e.g. routing from http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/index.html?lat=42.492618&lon=-83.221961&zoom=18&layers=B000FTFTTT to http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/index.html?lat=42.224597&lon=-83.347596&zoom=18&layers=B000FTFTTT just keeps "Calculating route" Thanks, N. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
The permalink in the info box doesn't work (yet), but you can use the permalink in the map to save the view. So it you have a problem in Detroit, please zoom in as far as possible and give us that permalink. The reverse and normal geocoding comes from nominatim, so you'll have to look on the wiki why it does that. Thanks. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Nakor wrote: > Woa that sounds very promising! > > A couple issues I found: > > * permalink does not work (always gives a view center on the UK). > * locations filled in does not seems to work correctly (data issue?) e.g. if > I click at 42.492985,-83.222165 the text shows Southfiled Rd, Berverly > Hills, although this is in Southfiled Rd, Larthrup Village > * I tried a couple routes in Detroit area and it kept "Calculating route" > (due to maintenance and/or heavy load?) > > Thanks, > > N. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Woa that sounds very promising! A couple issues I found: * permalink does not work (always gives a view center on the UK). * locations filled in does not seems to work correctly (data issue?) e.g. if I click at 42.492985,-83.222165 the text shows Southfiled Rd, Berverly Hills, although this is in Southfiled Rd, Larthrup Village * I tried a couple routes in Detroit area and it kept "Calculating route" (due to maintenance and/or heavy load?) Thanks, N. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On 02/07/10 15:30, Nic Roets wrote: As for the load: Most of the time Errol is using half a core right now and it has 16 ! I think when Richard did Amsterdam to Girona, most of the data was swapped out and he had to wait a few seconds for it to be swapped back in. Under full production we may choose to lock the data in RAM. Actually it's 8 cores, but with hyperthreading. So it can't do the full work of 16 cores but can probably do a bit more that 8 cores worth. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Nic Roets wrote: >> > I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be >> > embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: >> > >> > >> > http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT >> >> Nick, This is wonderful! I just did a "reasonable" route and it was >> blindingly fast. Fantastic. >> > > Yes, this is quite nice! I wish there was a way to make it more obvious that > routing exists on the home page, but I understand your concerns about > performance. > Can you give more details about what is involved in doing driving > directions? It's a text to text transformation. So you can use your favourite language and your favourite debugger. I've included an example of the routing engine output below. The first column is latitude and the second column is longitude. >From the first two lines you can calculate the direction of travel. It looks like South East to me, but there are simple formulas that calculate that I can give to you. You can also calculate the distance for each segment. The lower case 'j's indicate that it's not a junction and the capital 'J's indicate there is a junction. So the first few instructions may look like this: 1. Travel 500m South East on Westdijk. 2. Turn right at the junction and travel 1km South West on Westerweg. ... As you can see, the first 4 lines are combined into 1 entry. So you calculate the Azimuth angle (0 degree=North, 90=East, 180=South and 270=West) and then you look at how much it changes with every segment, if the name changes, junction type etc. Then you look up the appropriate string with the i18n library of your choice and format the output. -- As for the load: Most of the time Errol is using half a core right now and it has 16 ! I think when Richard did Amsterdam to Girona, most of the data was swapped out and he had to wait a few seconds for it to be swapped back in. Under full production we may choose to lock the data in RAM. -- Mike N wrote: > It should be noted that this is neither the shortest or fastest route, so > there may need to be a new option? > There's talk of several back end routing engines (Gosmore/etc), so I'm not > sure if I should look at modifying one > of these engines, or if I would need to add a new one? To solve such a problem with mathematics and computers, we need a goal function. And it may be impossible to collect all the relevant information objectively. (For example, this hiking trail is long, but it has spectacular views). So I don't have time to work on something like this on my spare time and I doubt someone will get far in hacking it into Gosmore. A better solution is to post the trail on a website, like gpsies.com with photos and descriptions so that it will get the attention of tourists. Regards, Nic Input: QUERY_STRING='flat=52.672938&flon=4.814691&tlat=50.765825&tlon=4.304728&fast=1&v=motorcar' /home/nroets/gosmore/gosmore Gosmore Output: Content-Type: text/plain ^M52.673050,4.813020,j,tertiary,8856,Westdijk ^M52.672800,4.815380,j,tertiary,8845,Westdijk ^M52.672170,4.822010,j,tertiary,8814,Westdijk ^M52.672110,4.822420,j,tertiary,8812,Westdijk ^M52.672000,4.822630,J,primary,8810,Westerweg ^M52.671160,4.820630,J,primary,8802,Westerweg ^M52.670990,4.820080,j,primary,8800,Westerweg ^M52.670790,4.819590,j,primary,8798,Westerweg ^M52.670030,4.818010,J,primary,8791,Westerweg ^M52.669910,4.817820,J,primary,8789,Westerweg ^M52.669460,4.816960,j,primary,8785,Westerweg > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On 02/07/10 14:58, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: That's great. I like the integration in the plus, but think that once this is going into productive mode we should put it into a tab on the top to make it more visible. Probably there will be a lot of interest in this feature. I'm afraid we have a moratorium on more tabs across the top. Certainly working out how to trigger it is one of the trickier things that need to be though about though. Overall I like it - there's a few small things I'd like to change but in general it looks very clean. Of course I haven't seen the code yet ;-) Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On 2 July 2010 14:58, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/7/2 Nic Roets : > > I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be > > embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: > > > > > http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT > > > That's great. I like the integration in the plus, but think that once > this is going into productive mode we should put it into a tab on the > top to make it more visible. Probably there will be a lot of interest > in this feature. > And lots of traffic :) I think it is a good thing that we can test the server right now. It should be give some interesting load number to Nic. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
That's a fantastic demo - I agree about keeping it behind the '+' in the beginning. Lambertus pointed out that some bicycles routes take strange detours when the fastest option is chosen. I have a case where the most suitable path for foot/bike is a multiuse trail. I couldn't get it to follow this route, but I could re-examine at the routing relation to make it an official type of bike route. It should be noted that this is neither the shortest or fastest route, so there may need to be a new option? There's talk of several back end routing engines (Gosmore/etc), so I'm not sure if I should look at modifying one of these engines, or if I would need to add a new one? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
2010/7/2 Nic Roets : > I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be > embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: > > http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT That's great. I like the integration in the plus, but think that once this is going into productive mode we should put it into a tab on the top to make it more visible. Probably there will be a lot of interest in this feature. The "tears" are very Google-like (but better). You can also walk from Rome to Peking. It is just 8606.46 km or nodes = 3796, thought it was more actually ;-) Seems it is taking a shortcut: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?flat=41.85&flon=12.49&tlat=39.906111022894&tlon=116.39095016509&v=foot&fast=1&layer=mapnik My second attempt (in Mofa) didn't bring up any result though (still calculating). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Nic Roets wrote: > > I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be > > embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: > > > > > http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT > > Nick, This is wonderful! I just did a "reasonable" route and it was > blindingly fast. Fantastic. > > Yes, this is quite nice! I wish there was a way to make it more obvious that routing exists on the home page, but I understand your concerns about performance. Can you give more details about what is involved in doing driving directions? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Nic Roets wrote: > I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be > embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: > > http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT Nick, This is wonderful! I just did a "reasonable" route and it was blindingly fast. Fantastic. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796&lon=5.62046&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT As you can see, it is hidden inside '+' (the layers). There are two reasons for this: Firstly, I did not want to make a new layout that will not work on small screens. Secondly it will help to make the computing power requirement more manageable. Once we understand user preferences and load levels better, we can unhide it. The computer it is running on (Errol) is 10 times larger than YOURS and can keep everything in RAM. So it is possible to find the shortest route from New York to California, in other words routing through the massive TIGER network. However, when the server becomes too busy, it will return partial routes (routes that start with a jump). The data is the current planet file. Importing a new planet file takes approximately 5 hours. The YOURS javascript is quite powerful. You can have more than 2 points, i.e. a via point. You can drag them inside the panel to change their order and you can drag them on the map to reposition them. This demo has also helped to make YOURS more portable, so that it will be easier to integrate it with other OpenLayers sites. We are still looking for a volunteer to implement driving directions. It is a simple, well defined job. Any computer language can be used. It will be nice to have i18n capabilities but any product out there can be used. It can also be independent of both YOURS and the current Gosmore routing engine, so it can have a life of it's own. There is a little bit of 2D geometry involved, but we will help with the formulas. Lambertus pointed out that some bicycles routes take strange detours when the fastest option is chosen. I know what the problem is and I'll fix it shortly. Regards, Nic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with this week's planet?
Hi Nakor, Could you give some more details, such as the changeset ID that you think is missing? That'll help people investigate to see what has happened. Cheers, Andy Hi Andy, In changeset 5093484, I fixed several roads directly connected to motorways as well as ramps being the in wrong direction. The slippy map got updated a few hours after I made the changes but they are not in the planet file I downloaded yesterday from http://planet.king-nerd.com/planet-100630.osm.bz2 Thanks, N. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways
On 2 July 2010 21:18, Andy Allan wrote: > Oh, totally. And there are even people using osm2pgsql for processing > non-OpenStreetMap data, so one of my projects is to try to remove all > the hardcoded tags (from z-order calculations through to the "type" > tag on relation handling or the "area" tag on ways) and put them into > configuration files. How hard would it be to calculate the admin_level of a way from the relation information during import? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
Joseph Reeves wrote: >On 2 July 2010 12:41, Maarten Deen wrote: >> - show them keepright.ipax.at >And http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/ God no. Not until it distinguishes between bad dupes (highway-highway at county lines, to use a US example) and OK dupes (highway-boundary). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
> - show them keepright.ipax.at And http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/ On 2 July 2010 12:41, Maarten Deen wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:30:11 -0400, Richard Weait > wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Robin Paulson >> wrote: >>> there's a mapper near me, who's very active adding data. >>> >>> the problem is, he's making a lot of mistakes, such as roads not >>> joining correctly at junctions, bridges drawn as a separate parallel >>> line to the highway they should relate to, and other fairly >>> unambiguous errors. >> >> In addition to the great suggestions from others: >> - point them at any local OSM meeting calendar / schedule. >> - start that local meeting calendar or schedule if required. Talking >> face to face and coaching while they use their computer is helpful. >> - offer a story about how you discovered that zooming in and using >> "use thin lines" in PL1 helped you avoid broken junctions. > > - recruit them in your local militant "no to Potlatch!" group ;) > - show them keepright.ipax.at > > Maarten > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 07:30:11 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Robin Paulson > wrote: >> there's a mapper near me, who's very active adding data. >> >> the problem is, he's making a lot of mistakes, such as roads not >> joining correctly at junctions, bridges drawn as a separate parallel >> line to the highway they should relate to, and other fairly >> unambiguous errors. > > In addition to the great suggestions from others: > - point them at any local OSM meeting calendar / schedule. > - start that local meeting calendar or schedule if required. Talking > face to face and coaching while they use their computer is helpful. > - offer a story about how you discovered that zooming in and using > "use thin lines" in PL1 helped you avoid broken junctions. - recruit them in your local militant "no to Potlatch!" group ;) - show them keepright.ipax.at Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Robin Paulson wrote: > there's a mapper near me, who's very active adding data. > > the problem is, he's making a lot of mistakes, such as roads not > joining correctly at junctions, bridges drawn as a separate parallel > line to the highway they should relate to, and other fairly > unambiguous errors. In addition to the great suggestions from others: - point them at any local OSM meeting calendar / schedule. - start that local meeting calendar or schedule if required. Talking face to face and coaching while they use their computer is helpful. - offer a story about how you discovered that zooming in and using "use thin lines" in PL1 helped you avoid broken junctions. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with this week's planet?
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Nakor wrote: > Hello, > > I downloaded this week's planet and some modifications I made last Sunday > are not in. Was there an issue with this week's planet? Hi Nakor, Could you give some more details, such as the changeset ID that you think is missing? That'll help people investigate to see what has happened. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
>Actually there is a 3rd option, some people prefer cc-by... There are a few more options. Dual licensing like MySQL with a free share-a-like and commercial non-share-alike would also be an option. And there are many more. The question is just what you want to achieve and then you should look into the licensing options. A short remark although this is the wrong place to discuss the topic: I am pretty sure that a complete switch to PD would immediate lead to the fact that some big companies would grab the OSM data, put a few hundred million dollars into it, build some better tools and the majority of the contributors would leave OSM to follow the new corporate driven project. Regards, Oliver -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Candidacy-AGM-Foundation-2010-Girona-tp522p5247340.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > I hope that if osm2pgsql will have this kind of Mapnik specific import rules, > they would be optional. People are using osm2pgsql also for other purposes > than > Mapnik rendering. Oh, totally. And there are even people using osm2pgsql for processing non-OpenStreetMap data, so one of my projects is to try to remove all the hardcoded tags (from z-order calculations through to the "type" tag on relation handling or the "area" tag on ways) and put them into configuration files. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
Robin Paulson wrote: there's a mapper near me, who's very active adding data. the problem is, he's making a lot of mistakes, such as roads not joining correctly at junctions, bridges drawn as a separate parallel line to the highway they should relate to, and other fairly unambiguous errors. up till now, i've corrected mistakes as i've seen them, but he does so much it's become a hell of a job, and feels like pointless duplication of effort Firstly, contact him. I contact people in my area who have made three or four edits - that way I know they are not just correcting a single error. I say 'Hi, if you need any help let me know', and nothing more at first. i would like to point out what he's doing, but am concerned i'll piss him off and/or discourage him from mapping at all. the area we're in doesn't have a huge number of mappers, so osm really needs his enthusiasm and knowledge Be encouraging, say how great it is that he is adding some stuff, which the area really needs. Then point out that the routing software needs roads to join up and explain how it's easier to join them up when they are first added than doing it later. Introducing the routing software hints that there are other uses than just a pretty map which he might not be aware of. Sadly you might scare him off, but if he has already added lots of stuff then probably not. any suggestions on how to approach this? i guess this is more of a training/diplomacy issue than mapping per se, but i was never great at either of those cheers -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Es Official! El Songa SOTM Mundial!
At 12:24 02/07/2010, Liz wrote: On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Mike Collinson wrote: > (c) 2010 Producciones Shi-Shi Bai S.A. oh no, copyright songs for SOTM? will you lot have to pay to sing them? ... and with my exquisite voice, I am expecting to make huge sums with people paying me NOT to sing them. Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
John Smith wrote: > Actually there is a 3rd option, some people prefer cc-by... By and large the "holy war" is share-alike vs non-share-alike. Attribution is kind of a sideshow; IMX most 'PD' advocates (myself included) would be equally content, maybe even more so, with an attribution licence such as CC-BY. We just use 'PD' as a shorthand for 'non-share-alike'. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Candidacy-AGM-Foundation-2010-Girona-tp522p5247287.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 2 July 2010 18:55, Emilie Laffray wrote: > In addition, it is clear that people are almost equally split between SA > licenses and PD domain, and it would be difficult to achieve any kind of Actually there is a 3rd option, some people prefer cc-by... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways
andrzej zaborowski gmail.com> writes: > I think the rules for joining segments by osm2pgsql should be something like: > * name='s are equal, > * highway/railway/waterway/aeroway class is equal (however I wouldn't > mind osm2pgsql joining a 3-segment way where the middle segment is > shared with a tramway) > * only two such ways meet at the common node -- not a Y type of > junction where all three ways have identical names & classes. > * (possibly) not divided by a crossing with a higher class way, > * (possibly) not meeting at a narrow angle > * oneway='s are equal (or inverse, in case the ways have opposite directions), > * unless it's a zoom level where the oneway arrows are invisible. Hi, I hope that if osm2pgsql will have this kind of Mapnik specific import rules, they would be optional. People are using osm2pgsql also for other purposes than Mapnik rendering. -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Es Official! El Songa SOTM Mundial!
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Mike Collinson wrote: > (c) 2010 Producciones Shi-Shi Bai S.A. oh no, copyright songs for SOTM? will you lot have to pay to sing them? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways
I could imagine some sort of duplicate/concatenate function that created additional ways based on matching certain tag values (eg highway=primary), and grouping based on a specified set of keys (eg highway & name), and simple end-on-end geometry. You'd then render names (with repeats if required) based on these new ways and not render names using the original ways. The main point of this would be that concatenation probably ought to be directed/controlled by the user. If it's done automatically (eg for name/ref tags on highways) in data-massaging/rendering software then the user will end up having to fix the source data to control the behaviour of the software. Richard On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Andy Allan wrote: > Yes, this is the issue at hand. For some properties (most often names, > but also things like shields) you want to join just that property into > a longer linestring. I would suggest this is done in osm2pgsql, but as > yet I haven't figured out a good approach. I think it might involve a > bit of rethinking the way that osm2pgsql works. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
Stefan, Stefan de Konink wrote: Now I know who *not* to vote for, I kinda requested the opposite. Even if we were to elect three ardent PD supporters, it is unlikely that they would be able to turn back the wheel on ODbL. I think that the way forward for those preferring PD would be to support ODbL for now but at the same time urge the community to make a pro-PD statement in the course of the license transition. If only a minority choose to make such a statement then the pro-PD faction is beaten. If a majority make such a statement then all the big talk about the importance of a share-alike license would lose credibility; we would still have the ODbL but we would know that a majority doesn't care which would influence the amount of work we'd put into implementing and enforcing the license. In a, hypothetical, case where 90% of mappers express a pro-PD stance, we'd still have ODbL to please the minority but that would hardly be a mandate for OSMF to spend much resources on implementing and policing ODbL. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Make a printable Map of Girona for SotM
Hi everyone State of the Map needs a small printable map for the conference in Girona[1]. We are therefore asking for submissions to our Map creating competition. What we need is a easy to read map to be included in our conference guide, with some basic POI:s. The winner will get a nice goodie from the conference and their work will be handed out to each attendee of the conference. Rules:. 1. Must fit an A5 with margins 2. Must be delivered as PDF, JPG or PNG 3. Delivered before Saturday 3rd of July at 23:30 4. Numbred POIs on map, or what ever you choose. 5. POI 1-6 are required, the rest are optional 6. The POI description will not be done by you, so any change in the numbers must be indicated. Deliver by mail to me: e...@stateofthemap.org [1] Map of Girona http://osm.org/go/xU1FEMB8-- State of the map site: http://stateofthemap.org/ POI list. 1. Venue http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.9857&mlon=2.811513&zoom=17 or http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/63921471 2. The saturday & sunday lunch breaks: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.987603&mlon=2.81421&zoom=17 3. The saturday & sunday evening soccer match: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.98816&mlon=2.81753&zoom=17 4. University - Are we going to host the workshops there, at last? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1005914 5. The train station and bus station http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.97983&mlon=2.81714&zoom=17 or http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1011346 6. Tourism information office: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.9832718&mlon=2.8237808&zoom=17 7. Excalibur - Irish pub, you were there. Don't know why, I always end up there. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.984678&mlon=2.825609&zoom=17 8. City Arms - Irish pub, large-ish (40-50 people), near-ish the venue: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.985971&mlon=2.820091&zoom=17 9. Turism: the Barri Vell: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.984767&mlon=2.825088&zoom=17 10. Turism: the Cathedral: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.98733&mlon=2.8258&zoom=17 or: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1012115 11. Plaça de la Independència - tourist trap, lots of restaurants & pubs: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.985827&mlon=2.823566&zoom=17 or: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/61944669 [1] Map of Girona http://osm.org/go/xU1FEMB8-- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
That's the idea of a vote :) Somehow I think most will support ODbL. Anyone wants to make a list of candidates opinions on this? Greets, Floris Stefan de Konink wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: > >> >>> Are there strategic votes pro PD and/or negative to ODbL? >> >> I am a strong supporter for the ODbL as I also mention in the last part >> of >> my manifesto[1] > > Now I know who *not* to vote for, I kinda requested the opposite. > > > Stefan > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: Are there strategic votes pro PD and/or negative to ODbL? I am a strong supporter for the ODbL as I also mention in the last part of my manifesto[1] Now I know who *not* to vote for, I kinda requested the opposite. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: > Say you have two connected ways: > > name=Foo Street > lanes=2 > > and > > name=Foo Street > lanes=4 > > You don't want to "join these ways" with osm2pgsql before rendering, > because you want to render them differently. You probably do, however, > want them to share a name label. Right? Yes, this is the issue at hand. For some properties (most often names, but also things like shields) you want to join just that property into a longer linestring. I would suggest this is done in osm2pgsql, but as yet I haven't figured out a good approach. I think it might involve a bit of rethinking the way that osm2pgsql works. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 1 July 2010 22:08, Stefan de Konink wrote: > Are there strategic votes pro PD and/or negative to ODbL? > My point of view on the license is very pragmatic. I support the ODbL as it is a continuation and a clarification of the CC-BY-SA. Ideally, a public domain license would be better but we can see how difficult it is to switch from a share alike license to another, so switching to a public domain license would be even more difficult due to the existing terms of CC-BY-SA. In addition, it is clear that people are almost equally split between SA licenses and PD domain, and it would be difficult to achieve any kind of meaningful consensus. It is a highly heated ideological debate which In addition, in my view, the only real change for me in ODbL is the introduction of the concept of produced work, which is likely to increase the use of OSM data by companies and some individuals. The rest is mostly clarification and precision of CC-BY-SA. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
>Are there strategic votes pro PD and/or negative to ODbL? I am a strong supporter for the ODbL as I also mention in the last part of my manifesto[1] Regards, Oliver [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oliver.kuehn/Manifesto -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Candidacy-AGM-Foundation-2010-Girona-tp522p5246861.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Es Official! El Songa SOTM Mundial!
Oh, this year I'm off to sunny Spain, Que viva mi mappa! I'm taking the Barcelona plane, [1] Que viva Espana! Then on to a local train [2] Que viva el RENFE (renfay)! Check into a hotel or aparta-mento [3] Que viva Girona! If you've not been to SOTM herefore Es un buen con-ferencia! [4] Da Me Map-pas Por Fa-vor! [optionally fire your rifle into the air at this point] Lyrics by Emiliano Mapata (c) 2010 Producciones Shi-Shi Bai S.A. More songs at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Concert_Contest Europeans, why sit at home and watch your team get beaten by the Brazilians? Switch off the TV and immediately follow these steps: [1] Book a flight to Barcelona or Girona (low cost operators like RyanAir). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Transport [2] Grab this 30% discount coupon by RENFE http://stateofthemap.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Butlleta_State-of-the-Map.pdf. This discount voucher is valid from wednesday July 7th until tuesday July 13th for RENFE tickets from/to Girona within Spain. [3] Book a hotel or share: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Accommodation [4] Register for SOTM on-line http://stateofthemap.org/register-now/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
On 2 Jul 2010, at 05:07, Robin Paulson wrote: > there's a mapper near me, who's very active adding data. > > the problem is, he's making a lot of mistakes, such as roads not > joining correctly at junctions, bridges drawn as a separate parallel > line to the highway they should relate to, and other fairly > unambiguous errors. > > up till now, i've corrected mistakes as i've seen them, but he does so > much it's become a hell of a job, and feels like pointless duplication > of effort > > i would like to point out what he's doing, but am concerned i'll piss > him off and/or discourage him from mapping at all. the area we're in > doesn't have a huge number of mappers, so osm really needs his > enthusiasm and knowledge > > any suggestions on how to approach this? Send a mail offering some help. Don't mention everything that they have been doing in one go. Instead five them a couple of things to change at a time. Offer to meetup and sit down with them to help them. One of the ways that has worked well for me in the past is to point out some tools that show up errors in the data such as a routing service using osm data. Most importantly thank them for their enthusiasm and encourage them to continue contributing. Shaun > > i guess this is more of a training/diplomacy issue than mapping per > se, but i was never great at either of those > > cheers > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Wiki page on links
I've written a summary of the recent mailing list discussions on links: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Link Please discuss on its talk page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
