Re: [talk-ph] Slum Mapping Party (was Re: OSM related research in slum areas (BASECO and Sitio Pajo))
@ rally, The mapper who contacted me is a german professor teaching Landscape Architecture in Singapore they have some contacts within GK sites to assist in their slum upgrading projects as part of their students field work activities. @ eugene and wayne, Would Jan 16 be OK? It's a Sunday, and I suspect Eugene would be too tired coming from the wikipedia gig. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Yup, can it be on another date? I'll be helping out with Wikimedia Philippines' Wikipedia Takes Manila to celebrate Wikipedia's 10th year anniversary. http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Manila On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Wayne Manuel wdman...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia Philippines will be having their Wikipedia Takes the CIty. Wayne Manuel On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:25 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: The author of the article posted below is requesting for a mapping party for one of their project area on January 15, 2011. He should be posting the specific area in a few days, it will probably be a slum/GK site. Anyone interested? I'll create a wikipage once I get more details. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:35 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: “Grassroots GIS: Digital outdoor designing where the streets have no name” ( Rekittke Paar, 2010, URL: https://files.me.com/paar/8t58bd ) We can contribute a lot by helping community organization create their own map for slum upgrading projects. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] ph data stats 20101125
So what's the stats right now? There have been tons of tracing since Bing came out. :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:17 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just some stats of our existing data coverage as of 20101125. XML file size : 304 MB Total Ways: 116,151 Total Nodes: 1,435,281 Total Relations: 617 Contributors: 655 (88% of all nodes came from the top 20 contributors) Total length of highways: 56,877.305 kilometers (~35% of total highway length according to CIA factbook) Posting as a reference point for the much anticipated bing thing. :) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] ph data stats 20101125
Here, in parenthesis is the % increase: Data as of 20110103 XML file size : 324 MB (+8%) Total Ways: 127,544 (+9%) Total Nodes: 1,528,760 (+9%) Total Relations: 645 (+9%) Contributors: 701 (+8%) of which, 83% of all nodes came from the top 20 contributors. Total length of highways: 59,968.586 kilometers (+9%). ~30% of total highways according to the *revised* CIA factbook. Interesting for me is the increase of users and the decrease of total nodes contributions from the top 20 users. Caveat: Version and data history were not analyzed. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: So what's the stats right now? There have been tons of tracing since Bing came out. :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:17 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just some stats of our existing data coverage as of 20101125. XML file size : 304 MB Total Ways: 116,151 Total Nodes: 1,435,281 Total Relations: 617 Contributors: 655 (88% of all nodes came from the top 20 contributors) Total length of highways: 56,877.305 kilometers (~35% of total highway length according to CIA factbook) Posting as a reference point for the much anticipated bing thing. :) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline
I've just had my attention drawn to these lines in the minutes from 11-12 Dec: The Board unanimously agrees that it is time to move forward after several years of work on the new license. ... The OSMF board mandates the LWG to enforce mandatory acceptance of the CT and ODBL in order to edit the database by March 31st. My first question is: which version of the CT is referred to there? Does this mean the totally broken v1.0, the partially broken proposed v1.2.2, or some hopefully non-broken v1.3? If the answer to the previous is some hopefully non-broken v1.3, what if it is not ready in time for April? I'm extremely concerned about the potential loss of all Nearmap-derived data for Australia: both because it represents a lot of high quality mapping, and personally because of the hundreds of hours of my own effort that will be completely wasted. And seemingly there is not an irreconcilable difference here, but simply that Nearmap and the LWG have not had the time or resources to find a wording that is suitable to both parties. Have I misunderstood the situation, or is that pretty much the size of it: on April 1st, all Nearmap-derived data (and presumably data from certain other providers who also use a strict CC-BY-SA licence) will be wiped? Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Hello, in this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Hi Oscar, I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you want to be sure. --Ciprian On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, in this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Hello, Ciprian. Is it not strange that each OSM community has to explicitly ask EEA about it? we're are talking about _one_ database (OSM) and _one_ dataset (CLC)? The confirmation you received was limited to the Romanian data? The CLC dataset is not homogeneous in terms of license then? --Oscar --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:32 AM Hi Oscar, I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you want to be sure. --Ciprian On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, in this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Until recently, the data was owned by each state. You had to ask each one of them to get the data. In addition, CLC 2000 is pretty much useless which was the only one available for free. 2006 is the one you want to start working with. Emilie Laffray On 3 Jan 2011 11:47, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Ciprian. Is it not strange that each OSM community has to explicitly ask EEA about it? we're are talking about _one_ database (OSM) and _one_ dataset (CLC)? The confirmation you received was limited to the Romanian data? The CLC dataset is not homogeneous in terms of license then? --Oscar --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:32 AM Hi Oscar, I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you want to be sure. --Ciprian On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, in this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Hello I have just sent an email asking for clarification, will forward their response. Ciprian: ...I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA website at some point... Where exactly? --Oscar --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: From: Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com Cc: Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com, talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 12:11 PM Until recently, the data was owned by each state. You had to ask each one of them to get the data. In addition, CLC 2000 is pretty much useless which was the only one available for free. 2006 is the one you want to start working with. Emilie Laffray On 3 Jan 2011 11:47, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Ciprian. Is it not strange that each OSM community has to explicitly ask EEA about it? we're are talking about _one_ database (OSM) and _one_ dataset (CLC)? The confirmation you received was limited to the Romanian data? The CLC dataset is not homogeneous in terms of license then? --Oscar --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ciprian Talaba cipriantal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 11:32 AM Hi Oscar, I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you want to be sure. --Ciprian On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, in this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Hi, On 3 January 2011 13:53, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello I have just sent an email asking for clarification, will forward their response. Ciprian: ...I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA website at some point... There have been different statements because the license has been changing numerous times. As of February 2010 the seamless CLC2006 shp is available under the normal EEA terms and users in Spain and in Poland have considered it OSM-compatible from that point. (For the record there's some ongoing work on CLC06 mixed with GMES Urban Atlas data import for Poland and Spain) Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Hello, in this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar We (OSM contributors) already have a blanket permission to use any data not specifically restricted on the EEA website. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/European_Environment_Agency Also see the thread at http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2010-June/000584.html The caveat here is that the CLC 2006 dataset is not publicly available through the EEA website. -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Andrzej: there's some ongoing work on CLC06 mixed with GMES Urban Atlas data import for Poland and Spain I'm preparing an import of forests (3 shapefiles) and olive groves (1 shapefile) for Spain. Where can I see that on-going work? --- On Mon, 1/3/11, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data To: Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com Cc: Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com, talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 1:15 PM Hi, On 3 January 2011 13:53, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello I have just sent an email asking for clarification, will forward their response. Ciprian: ...I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA website at some point... There have been different statements because the license has been changing numerous times. As of February 2010 the seamless CLC2006 shp is available under the normal EEA terms and users in Spain and in Poland have considered it OSM-compatible from that point. (For the record there's some ongoing work on CLC06 mixed with GMES Urban Atlas data import for Poland and Spain) Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
On 3 January 2011 14:36, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Andrzej: there's some ongoing work on CLC06 mixed with GMES Urban Atlas data import for Poland and Spain I'm preparing an import of forests (3 shapefiles) and olive groves (1 shapefile) for Spain. Where can I see that on-going work? Actually it hasn't advanced much for the last month, but I posted a link to the WMS showing the polygons that would be imported back in November (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2010-November/006366.html). The WMS is currently down because I decided to re-generate all the data using a different schema to help in joining of the two datasets, but later had no time to complete it. I'll try to revive the WMS later today. I have a postgres database filled with all of the CLC06 data for Europe and GMES Urban Atlas for Spain, if you would like to work on it I can set up an account for you (Javier Sanchez also has been playing with that database) Here are the problems that I'd like to solve before starting an actual import. * Some Urban Atlas land classes contain many CLC06 classes (for example Urban Atlas has a class forest, while CLC06 has separate classes for mixed forests, coniferous forests etc.), so it would be best to take the geometry from the Urban Atlas, but the exact subclass from CLC06. * The upload tool needs be intelligent and needs to detect collisions with existing OSM polygons, and then the colliding polygons need to be put into a webservice that lets people download .osm files for each polygon and handle the conflict manually. It would also be nice if the uploader tool used the diffs from planet.osm.org to find existing nodes so that the automatically uploaded polygons re-use nodes instead of creating duplicates (even if the nodes were created manually). * I'd like the WMS to visualise colliding polygons too. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Hi Ciprian, Was this positive response you received, in response to licensing their data under the previous OSM licence or the proposed new one? This is something to be mindful of if requesting permission from EEA, and continuing to use the data long-term. The issues with them changing their licence several times after granting permission to use, is not dissimilar to ongoing discussions here. It is important to understand the terms of use of the data that you're using and recognising they may be different from a statement given some time in the past on the wiki. David On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:32 +0200, Ciprian Talaba wrote: Hi Oscar, I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you want to be sure. --Ciprian On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, in this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
I'm curious. So here's a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; http://bit.ly/ii3cKg Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
On 03/01/2011 17:14, Steve Coast wrote: I'm curious. So here's a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; http://bit.ly/ii3cKg Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show. Being curious in return, why are you curious? Your survey doesn't ask why we chose one over the other so you'd know way of knowing if we're open source nuts. I suspect if you ask most android users (but probably not users on this forum) whether it was OS, they'd say I don't know of even What's open source? Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
I have a BlackBerry Storm 9530, purchased before I learned about OSM. It works OK for mapping, but has some other, annoying quirks, so I plan to replace it with an Android phone when my contract runs out. ---Original Email--- Subject :[OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have? From :mailto:st...@asklater.com Date :Mon Jan 03 11:14:39 America/Chicago 2011 I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; http://bit.ly/ii3cKg Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all open source nuts or if it’s more balanced? Only the data will show. Steve___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
On 03/01/2011 17:14, Steve Coast wrote: I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; http://bit.ly/ii3cKg Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all open source nuts or if it’s more balanced? Only the data will show. Somewhat confusing survey - is it about the make/model of the phone, or the operating system it runs? eg there are many makes of Android or Windows phones. And Nokia make some phones that run Symbian, or others that are just simple phones. And why specifically Windows Phone 7, and not other versions of Windows Mobile / Windows CE etc? FWIW, I currently use a Sony Ericsson K850, so not a smartphone or anything. Though it can run Java midlets - I'm using GpsMid for OSM maps. I am thinking about getting some sort of Android phone. Craig ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data
Hi David, Our question was related to OSM in general, not speaking about a specific license. Their current license makes things much easier (at that time - November 2009 - things were not that clear); EEA standard re-use policy: unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided that the source is acknowledged [1] --Ciprian [1] http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/clc-2006-vector-data-version On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:52 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Hi Ciprian, Was this positive response you received, in response to licensing their data under the previous OSM licence or the proposed new one? This is something to be mindful of if requesting permission from EEA, and continuing to use the data long-term. The issues with them changing their licence several times after granting permission to use, is not dissimilar to ongoing discussions here. It is important to understand the terms of use of the data that you're using and recognising they may be different from a statement given some time in the past on the wiki. David On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:32 +0200, Ciprian Talaba wrote: Hi Oscar, I have found different statements about the license of CLC data on the EEA website at some point so we (Romania's OSM users) took the time to send them an email asking about using their data in OSM. The response was positive and was delivered in around 2 weeks. So I recommend to do the same thing if you want to be sure. --Ciprian On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, in this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover it says Until now, the terms of use did not allow commercial use unless the Agency has expressly granted the right to do so [2], but if you go to link [2], it says Unless otherwise indicated, re-use of content on the EEA website for commercial or non-commercial purposes is permitted free of charge, provided that the source is acknowledged. Is our wiki out-of-date? CLC data can now be used in OSM (not only in France and other specific areas)? --Oscar ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
* Steve Coast st...@asklater.com [2011-01-03 09:14 -0800]: I'm curious. So here's a little survey I have a Palm Pre, so I answered Palm, but I'll not there's a world of difference between the older PalmOS and their current OS, WebOS. Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show. I got the Palm Pre because it's the most open platform I've seen short of OpenMoko, though I keep considering switching to Android for the greater variety of apps. -- ...computer contrarian of the first order... / http://aperiodic.net/phil/ PGP: 026A27F2 print: D200 5BDB FC4B B24A 9248 9F7A 4322 2D22 026A 27F2 --- -- joe heh, linux cash register. joe 'The only downside is that beer always rings up as free.' -- seen on #megazeux --- -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; http://bit.ly/ii3cKg Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all open source nuts or if it’s more balanced? Only the data will show. When I wrote my mobile app, I chose Windows CE over OpenMoko based on what devices will be cheaply available a couple of years down the line without having to rewrite large parts of the code. (It was a bit tricky to support all the variations of Windows CE, but still quite successful). By the same logic, Android will rule amongst hobbyists over the next few years, while Iphone will make all the money. You don't need to be an open source nut to see that. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open source nuts or if it's more balanced? I have an openmoko freerunner because I'm open source nuts. But it's not in the list :( Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 05:50:16PM +, Shaun McDonald wrote: so should we be 1) adding explicit info to ways about town/county No, that causes huge amounts of duplicate info that is difficult to update. or 2) fixing county town boundary relations This is much better. Once the boundary has been fixed, then the point that may be there for the place should be removed too. Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it. Kurt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Which software are people using on Symbian?
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Jeremy Stocks jeremyl...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi there, + I'm a newbie to OSM but and oldie in GIS, and am trying to find a decent app for my Nokia 6230 Nuron phone. I currently use Trek Buddy but I wondered what others use? I'm not sure what version symbian that is, but I'm using WhereAmI ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WhereAmI ) on a nokia 9310i for a while now with no major problems. Jeremy. Yes, shrubberies are my trade. I am a shrubber. My name is Roger the Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies. at http://iamrogertheshrubber.wordpress.com/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://blogs.linux.ie/kenguest/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
SteveC wrote: Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show. I have a Samsung B130. It's fantastic. You can make phone calls on it, and stuff. Actually, no. You can make phone calls on it. According to a user review on CNet it's proper donky shit which pretty much sums it up. http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/essential/SGH-B130CNAXTC/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/What-phones-do-OSMers-have-tp5886033p5886914.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Which software are people using on Symbian?
Hello, I have a Nokia 5800 XPressMusic (Symbian S60) here. I use MGMaps (a Java app) to display Mapnik + Osmarender maps, and AFTrack to make traces (it works great, and exports directly to GPX). I have yet to find better apps for my phone. Regards, Raphaël On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Jeremy Stocks jeremyl...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi there, + I'm a newbie to OSM but and oldie in GIS, and am trying to find a decent app for my Nokia 6230 Nuron phone. I currently use Trek Buddy but I wondered what others use? Jeremy. Yes, shrubberies are my trade. I am a shrubber. My name is Roger the Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies. at http://iamrogertheshrubber.wordpress.com/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Which software are people using on Symbian?
And AFTrack displays Mapnick through WMS, too, by the way. Raphaël 2011/1/3 Raphaël Pinson raph...@gmail.com Hello, I have a Nokia 5800 XPressMusic (Symbian S60) here. I use MGMaps (a Java app) to display Mapnik + Osmarender maps, and AFTrack to make traces (it works great, and exports directly to GPX). I have yet to find better apps for my phone. Regards, Raphaël On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Jeremy Stocks jeremyl...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi there, + I'm a newbie to OSM but and oldie in GIS, and am trying to find a decent app for my Nokia 6230 Nuron phone. I currently use Trek Buddy but I wondered what others use? Jeremy. Yes, shrubberies are my trade. I am a shrubber. My name is Roger the Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies. at http://iamrogertheshrubber.wordpress.com/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?
Is there an Android OS app for osm? nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?
There are a few: I use OpenSatNav for a viewer / track logger, but there is another one called AndNav that looks good too, but I have not used it much. There is an editor called Vespucci. Graham. On 3 January 2011 23:14, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Is there an Android OS app for osm? nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:14 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Is there an Android OS app for osm? Several! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android I personally have used OsmAnd for navigation. It can also add simple POIs. Vespucci is a pretty powerful editor but not the easiest to use and has a relatively big footprint I think. Works fine on my Galaxy S but I have heard complaints about it being slow or not working on other phones. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:24:34PM -0600, Toby Murray wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it. It seems like duplicate information to me. Like mapping a walmart with both a building outline tagged as a shop and a point in the middle tagged the same way. What do you define as the center of a town? If it is just the centroid of the border polygon then this can be determined from the boundary. If you mean the central business district or town hall, then that should be mapped appropriately with landuse and building polygons. The center is ussually a market place or the church or something like that. It's ussually where the oldest building are and the rest was build around it. It has nothing to do with the centre of the admin level boundary, but might be the center of one of the various landuses. It's the place where I expect the name of the place to be on the map. It's not always a very specific place, but ussually a rather small area. The lowest mapped admin level might have several places in it which each their own name, and the lowest admin level is one of those. And it's not always possible to map lower admin levels. Kurt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?
Also check out Oruxmaps that allows you to package osm and other maps for offline use. Kevin On 3 Jan 2011 23:15, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Is there an Android OS app for osm? nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places
On 1/3/11 6:25 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:24:34PM -0600, Toby Murray wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Kurt Roeckxk...@roeckx.be wrote: Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it. It seems like duplicate information to me. Like mapping a walmart with both a building outline tagged as a shop and a point in the middle tagged the same way. What do you define as the center of a town? If it is just the centroid of the border polygon then this can be determined from the boundary. If you mean the central business district or town hall, then that should be mapped appropriately with landuse and building polygons. The center is ussually a market place or the church or something like that. It's ussually where the oldest building are and the rest was build around it. It has nothing to do with the centre of the admin level boundary, but might be the center of one of the various landuses. It's the place where I expect the name of the place to be on the map. It's not always a very specific place, but ussually a rather small area. it's still duplication. what i'd suggest is perhaps a centroid role in the boundary relation, which can be a node representing the mythical center of the bounded area. what i see a bit right now in the US are places where we have a central node from one import and a boundary with the same name from another, and as a result two names showing up. it's mildly annoying. richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; http://bit.ly/ii3cKg Might have generated useful data to have the option I don't have a smart phone. Seemed to be a bit of an assumption there Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 09:14 -0800, Steve Coast wrote: I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all open source nuts or if it’s more balanced? Only the data will show. I have an old nokia, so I selected nokia from the list and no further questions were asked. I hope that doesnt indicate that Ive selected I have a nokia GPS phone, if so, sorry for messing up your stats. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places
Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes: what i see a bit right now in the US are places where we have a central node from one import and a boundary with the same name from another, and as a result two names showing up. it's mildly annoying. That may be true but Kurt is right.For most towns in New England there is a polygon for the boundary, and then a specific place, often an intersection or a village green or a few streets that should properly be labeled as a point. If having a polygon with the name and a point with the name as a populated place produces two names on the map, then the rendering is arguably broken. It may be that if the town center point is in the map view, the label should be put more or less there. But if it isn't, then there shoudl be some label on both sides of the boundary with the two town names. Choosing labeling by context is a bit of an art in manually-prepared maps, and we should expect that writing programs to do it is also an art. In the OSM db we should encode as much semantics as is cleanly possible and not worry too much about what today's renderers do - there's a lot worse that can happen besides two town names. pgpc8Te9YQegC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places
On 4 January 2011 00:25, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:24:34PM -0600, Toby Murray wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it. It seems like duplicate information to me. Like mapping a walmart with both a building outline tagged as a shop and a point in the middle tagged the same way. What do you define as the center of a town? If it is just the centroid of the border polygon then this can be determined from the boundary. If you mean the central business district or town hall, then that should be mapped appropriately with landuse and building polygons. There's a practice to add such a node to the boundary's relationwith the role admin_centre (and other *_centre's I guess), which is easier for a tool to understand than a bunch of building polygons. However, the claim that having both a relation and a place= node is duplicate information is incorrect, it's just a different way to express the admin_centre role. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places
On 1/3/11 9:51 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net writes: what i see a bit right now in the US are places where we have a central node from one import and a boundary with the same name from another, and as a result two names showing up. it's mildly annoying. That may be true but Kurt is right.For most towns in New England there is a polygon for the boundary, and then a specific place, often an intersection or a village green or a few streets that should properly be labeled as a point. If having a polygon with the name and a point with the name as a populated place produces two names on the map, then the rendering is arguably broken. It may be that if the town center point is in the map view, the label should be put more or less there. there is an underlying data problem. the boundaries and center points are disconnected bits of data, and i would argue that it's not reasonable to demand that the rendering engines figure that relationship out. this is why i suggested adding a centroid tag to the boundary relations as a way to convey the place that is by convention considered the center of town. the existing gnis object for West Sand Lake, NY then can be placed in a boundary relation for West Sand Lake with a role of centroid. now the rendering engine can just see if there's a centroid and use that, if not, it can compute its own. if it doesn't check for the centroid and computes its own anyway, that's really not particularly a failure, just not as nice as it could have been. richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places
On 4 January 2011 04:10, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2011 00:25, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:24:34PM -0600, Toby Murray wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote: Having a node to indicate the center of a town/city/... can be useful too, even if you already have a boundary for it. It seems like duplicate information to me. Like mapping a walmart with both a building outline tagged as a shop and a point in the middle tagged the same way. What do you define as the center of a town? If it is just the centroid of the border polygon then this can be determined from the boundary. If you mean the central business district or town hall, then that should be mapped appropriately with landuse and building polygons. There's a practice to add such a node to the boundary's relationwith the role admin_centre (and other *_centre's I guess), which is easier for a tool to understand than a bunch of building polygons. I should say that there are also comments that it's an abuse of the boundary relation to add other data than the boundary to it, and really it needs a new relation type (type=place?) that woudl incorporate the boundary, the central node(s), and other data. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places
Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes: On 1/3/11 9:51 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net writes: That may be true but Kurt is right.For most towns in New England there is a polygon for the boundary, and then a specific place, often an intersection or a village green or a few streets that should properly be labeled as a point. If having a polygon with the name and a point with the name as a populated place produces two names on the map, then the rendering is arguably broken. It may be that if the town center point is in the map view, the label should be put more or less there. there is an underlying data problem. the boundaries and center points are disconnected bits of data, and i would argue that it's not reasonable to demand that the rendering engines figure that relationship out. this is why i suggested adding a centroid tag to the boundary relations as a way to convey the place that is by convention considered the center of town. the existing gnis object for West Sand Lake, NY then can be placed in a boundary relation for West Sand Lake with a role of centroid. now the rendering engine can just see if there's a centroid and use that, if not, it can compute its own. if it doesn't check for the centroid and computes its own anyway, that's really not particularly a failure, just not as nice as it could have been. Sorry, I understand what you are saying now. I thought you were objecting to defining the traditional centers as redundant with geometric centroid. I now think you're saying that those should be part of the boundary relation so that it's clear and easy to process with less matching up that can go wrong with editing. The word centroid seems best avoided. It has a well established geometrical meaning and that isn't what we mean. admin_centre seems fine for boundaries with admin_level tags. Or just traditional_center for any boundary relation. pgp5JRZRWnMvg.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places
It makes sense to me to label the administrative center, if any, as well as the geometric centroid of the town polygon. It is not unusual for a town to expand more in one direction than another, particularly if is near a natural barrier such as a mountain range Orr a lake. Note that towns don't necessarily have their own administrative center; where I live (Nashville, Tennessee, USA), there is a metropolitan government (a merger of the Nashville city government and county government) that administers most of Davidson County), but a few communities have chosen to have their own local government. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places From :mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Date :Mon Jan 03 21:12:16 America/Chicago 2011 On 1/3/11 9:51 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net writes: what i see a bit right now in the US are places where we have a central node from one import and a boundary with the same name from another, and as a result two names showing up. it's mildly annoying. That may be true but Kurt is right.For most towns in New England there is a polygon for the boundary, and then a specific place, often an intersection or a village green or a few streets that should properly be labeled as a point. If having a polygon with the name and a point with the name as a populated place produces two names on the map, then the rendering is arguably broken. It may be that if the town center point is in the map view, the label should be put more or less there. there is an underlying data problem. the boundaries and center points are disconnected bits of data, and i would argue that it's not reasonable to demand that the rendering engines figure that relationship out. this is why i suggested adding a centroid tag to the boundary relations as a way to convey the place that is by convention considered the center of town. the existing gnis object for West Sand Lake, NY then can be placed in a boundary relation for West Sand Lake with a role of centroid. now the rendering engine can just see if there's a centroid and use that, if not, it can compute its own. if it doesn't check for the centroid and computes its own anyway, that's really not particularly a failure, just not as nice as it could have been. richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?
2011/1/4 nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au: Is there an Android OS app for osm? When you want to use your phone for mapping, you should definitily not forget OSMTracker. Searching for osm in the Market on my phone (results may vary because Market searches are phone abilty aware) results in 46 finds. Regards, Frank ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:14:39 -0800, Steve Coast wrote: I'm curious. So here's a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; http://bit.ly/ii3cKg [1] Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show. I hope you're not inferring anything from that little poll. I've answered Nokia, becuause my primary phone is a Nokia 6310i. I'd be interested to see if someone can make a JAVA app for OSM for that phone. ;) Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 21:52 -0500, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Being curious in return, why are you curious? Well, he does work for Microsoft... Explains the assumption that everyone has a latest and greatest brand name GPS-enabled smartphone hardware. Out of interest, are you showing the results of this rough survey publicly? David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:14:39 -0800, Steve Coast wrote: I'm curious. So here's a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; http://bit.ly/ii3cKg [1] Specifically I'm wondering if everyone has androids because we're all open source nuts or if it's more balanced? Only the data will show. I hope you're not inferring anything from that little poll. I've answered Nokia, becuause my primary phone is a Nokia 6310i. Note that that there will also be some folks that have a Nokia phone because they're open souce nuts and use a Maemo-linux Nokia phone. AFAIK Maemo, Palm's Webos and Android are all about the same level of open, i.e. linux-based but including some closed source drivers or libraries. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel
Laten we dat maar vastzetten. Lokatie t.b.a. Groet, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++Â...@rtijn.org laziness â impatience â hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: Hilversum lijkt me ook prima! za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit. Henk Hoff wrote: Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam ;-) Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum (voor de verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het station (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari iedereen prima in de oren? Gr, Henk Hoff On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel. Wie heeft zin om te organiseren? Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :) Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness â impatience â hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel
Ideetje: http://www.cafedudok.nl/ ? Is op kruipafstand van NS station Hilversum. Groet, Floris Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Laten we dat maar vastzetten. Lokatie t.b.a. Groet, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++Â...@rtijn.org laziness â impatience â hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: Hilversum lijkt me ook prima! za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit. Henk Hoff wrote: Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam ;-) Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum (voor de verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het station (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari iedereen prima in de oren? Gr, Henk Hoff On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel. Wie heeft zin om te organiseren? Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :) Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness â impatience â hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger
Op 2 januari 2011 19:07 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende: Ik heb even de .../full gegevens wat zitten filteren en zoek-en-vervangen en kwam er achter dat met wat headergegevens uit de relatie en de lat/lon gegevens (afgerond op 16 cijfers) en de time gegevens mijn GPS er snel veel van ging begrijpen. Zowel met trk als met rte begrijpt hij het helemaal. header: ?xml version=1.0? gpx version=1.1 creator=Iwan Oprins xmlns:xsi= http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns= http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1; xsi:schemaLocation= http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd; Natuurlijk is niet iedere relatie gesloten. Dit ligt aan de maker van de relatie. Als je een relatie laat analyseren, dan krijg je ook te horen dat een relatie bestaat uit een zeker aantal segmenten. Deze segmenten kunnen dan toch eenvoudig in GPX tracksegmenten geplaatst worden. Met een beetje sleutelen kan er toch vrij snel in plaats van .../full ook een .../gpxtrack en/of gpxroute gemaakt worden zodat de noeste arbeid van relatiebouwers er in een keurige bruikbare GPX bestand uit kunnen komen en door OpenStreetMap gebruikers hergebruikt worden. Is dit uitvoerbaar? -Robert- Uitvoerbaar ja, zal meer een kwestie van tijd en zin zijn denk ik... Rob ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel
Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter uitkomt ;-) Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord? Gr, Henk H. 2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu Laten we dat maar vastzetten. Lokatie t.b.a. Groet, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl http://schaaltreinen.xn--nl-qia | http://martijnvanexel.nl http://martijnvanexel.xn--nl-qia | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: Hilversum lijkt me ook prima! za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit. Henk Hoff wrote: Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam ;-) Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum (voor de verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het station (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari iedereen prima in de oren? Gr, Henk Hoff On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel. Wie heeft zin om te organiseren? Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :) Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel
Goed wat mij betreft! On 1/3/2011 12:39 PM, Henk Hoff wrote: Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter uitkomt ;-) Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord? Gr, Henk H. 2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu mailto:o...@floris.nu Laten we dat maar vastzetten. Lokatie t.b.a. Groet, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl http://schaaltreinen.xn--nl-qia | http://martijnvanexel.nl http://martijnvanexel.xn--nl-qia | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu mailto:o...@floris.nu: Hilversum lijkt me ook prima! za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit. Henk Hoff wrote: Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam ;-) Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum (voor de verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het station (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari iedereen prima in de oren? Gr, Henk Hoff On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org wrote: Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel. Wie heeft zin om te organiseren? Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :) Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- Martijn van Exel Senior Researcher / Software Engineer - Geodan SR President Kennedylaan 1 1079 MB Amsterdam (NL) - Tel: +31 (0)20 - 5711 318 Fax: +31 (0)20 - 5711 333 - E-mail: mart...@geodan.nl Website: www.geodan.nl KvK-nummer: 33 247475 Disclaimer: www.geodan.nl/disclaimer - ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] gemeentelijke herindeling
Op 2 januari 2011 23:52 schreef Lennard l...@xs4all.nl het volgende: On 2-1-2011 12:19, Rob wrote: Per 1 januari zijn er weer verschillende gemeenten samengevoegd. De vraag is nu gaan we dit individueel oppakken of is er iemand die dit al op z'n todo lijst heeft staan ? Het stond op mijn todo, maar jij mag ook hoor. Neuh, be my guest ;) Toevallig zitten hier om de hoek 2 gemeentes die samengaan. Groeten Rob ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger
Rob, Dat snap ik. Zal kijken wat de verdere opties zijn. Ik vind zelf deze relaties in je GPS kunnen krijgen eigenlijk bijna net zo belangrijk als een mooie kaart. Zin in hebben is altijd subjectief en ik ben inmiddels bezig om een dev omgeving te krijgen. Kan ik meteen mijn eigen DO'tje voor het controleren van Wandelrouterelaties uitvoeren. groet -Robert- Citeren Rob interru...@gmail.com: Op 2 januari 2011 19:07 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende: Ik heb even de .../full gegevens wat zitten filteren en zoek-en-vervangen en kwam er achter dat met wat headergegevens uit de relatie en de lat/lon gegevens (afgerond op 16 cijfers) en de time gegevens mijn GPS er snel veel van ging begrijpen. Zowel met trk als met rte begrijpt hij het helemaal. header: ?xml version=1.0? gpx version=1.1 creator=Iwan Oprins xmlns:xsi= http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns= http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1; xsi:schemaLocation= http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd; Natuurlijk is niet iedere relatie gesloten. Dit ligt aan de maker van de relatie. Als je een relatie laat analyseren, dan krijg je ook te horen dat een relatie bestaat uit een zeker aantal segmenten. Deze segmenten kunnen dan toch eenvoudig in GPX tracksegmenten geplaatst worden. Met een beetje sleutelen kan er toch vrij snel in plaats van .../full ook een .../gpxtrack en/of gpxroute gemaakt worden zodat de noeste arbeid van relatiebouwers er in een keurige bruikbare GPX bestand uit kunnen komen en door OpenStreetMap gebruikers hergebruikt worden. Is dit uitvoerbaar? -Robert- Uitvoerbaar ja, zal meer een kwestie van tijd en zin zijn denk ik... Rob ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel
Whatever, ik ben van de partij! Martijn van Exel wrote: Goed wat mij betreft! On 1/3/2011 12:39 PM, Henk Hoff wrote: Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter uitkomt ;-) Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord? Gr, Henk H. 2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu mailto:o...@floris.nu Laten we dat maar vastzetten. Lokatie t.b.a. Groet, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org laziness â impatience â hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl http://schaaltreinen.xn--nl-qia | http://martijnvanexel.nl http://martijnvanexel.xn--nl-qia | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu mailto:o...@floris.nu: Hilversum lijkt me ook prima! za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit. Henk Hoff wrote: Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam ;-) Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum (voor de verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het station (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari iedereen prima in de oren? Gr, Henk Hoff On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org wrote: Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel. Wie heeft zin om te organiseren? Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :) Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org laziness â impatience â hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- Martijn van Exel Senior Researcher / Software Engineer - Geodan SR President Kennedylaan 1 1079 MB Amsterdam (NL) - Tel: +31 (0)20 - 5711 318 Fax: +31 (0)20 - 5711 333 - E-mail: mart...@geodan.nl Website: www.geodan.nl KvK-nummer: 33 247475 Disclaimer: www.geodan.nl/disclaimer - ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel
-1 Helaas moet ik dan afhaken, want dat komt mij erg slecht uit. -Robert- Citeren Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com: Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter uitkomt ;-) Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord? Gr, Henk H. 2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu Laten we dat maar vastzetten. Lokatie t.b.a. Groet, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness âEUR impatience âEUR hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl http://schaaltreinen.xn--nl-qia | http://martijnvanexel.nl http://martijnvanexel.xn--nl-qia | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: Hilversum lijkt me ook prima! za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit. Henk Hoff wrote: Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam ;-) Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum (voor de verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het station (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari iedereen prima in de oren? Gr, Henk Hoff On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel. Wie heeft zin om te organiseren? Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :) Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness âEUR impatience âEUR hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger
We hebben ooit eens een poi export gemaakt ik kan me goed voorstellen dat je zo ook een relatie / route export applicatie wilt hebben. (vreemd dat dit nog niet bestaat) Rob Op 3 januari 2011 13:11 schreef rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende: Rob, Dat snap ik. Zal kijken wat de verdere opties zijn. Ik vind zelf deze relaties in je GPS kunnen krijgen eigenlijk bijna net zo belangrijk als een mooie kaart. Zin in hebben is altijd subjectief en ik ben inmiddels bezig om een dev omgeving te krijgen. Kan ik meteen mijn eigen DO'tje voor het controleren van Wandelrouterelaties uitvoeren. groet -Robert- Citeren Rob interru...@gmail.com: Op 2 januari 2011 19:07 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende: Ik heb even de .../full gegevens wat zitten filteren en zoek-en-vervangen en kwam er achter dat met wat headergegevens uit de relatie en de lat/lon gegevens (afgerond op 16 cijfers) en de time gegevens mijn GPS er snel veel van ging begrijpen. Zowel met trk als met rte begrijpt hij het helemaal. header: ?xml version=1.0? gpx version=1.1 creator=Iwan Oprins xmlns:xsi= http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns= http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1; xsi:schemaLocation= http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd; Natuurlijk is niet iedere relatie gesloten. Dit ligt aan de maker van de relatie. Als je een relatie laat analyseren, dan krijg je ook te horen dat een relatie bestaat uit een zeker aantal segmenten. Deze segmenten kunnen dan toch eenvoudig in GPX tracksegmenten geplaatst worden. Met een beetje sleutelen kan er toch vrij snel in plaats van .../full ook een .../gpxtrack en/of gpxroute gemaakt worden zodat de noeste arbeid van relatiebouwers er in een keurige bruikbare GPX bestand uit kunnen komen en door OpenStreetMap gebruikers hergebruikt worden. Is dit uitvoerbaar? -Robert- Uitvoerbaar ja, zal meer een kwestie van tijd en zin zijn denk ik... Rob ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger
Nou, kijk, dat vind ik ook erg vreemd. HEt zou toch een eenvoudige en geweldige optie zijn om wandel of fietsroutes, maar ook wellicht autoroutes die opgeslagen staan in OSM op te vragen en te gebruiken om eenvoudig een tourtochtje te maken? -Robert- Citeren Rob interru...@gmail.com: We hebben ooit eens een poi export gemaakt ik kan me goed voorstellen dat je zo ook een relatie / route export applicatie wilt hebben. (vreemd dat dit nog niet bestaat) Rob Op 3 januari 2011 13:11 schreef rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende: Rob, Dat snap ik. Zal kijken wat de verdere opties zijn. Ik vind zelf deze relaties in je GPS kunnen krijgen eigenlijk bijna net zo belangrijk als een mooie kaart. Zin in hebben is altijd subjectief en ik ben inmiddels bezig om een dev omgeving te krijgen. Kan ik meteen mijn eigen DO'tje voor het controleren van Wandelrouterelaties uitvoeren. groet -Robert- Citeren Rob interru...@gmail.com: Op 2 januari 2011 19:07 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende: Ik heb even de .../full gegevens wat zitten filteren en zoek-en-vervangen en kwam er achter dat met wat headergegevens uit de relatie en de lat/lon gegevens (afgerond op 16 cijfers) en de time gegevens mijn GPS er snel veel van ging begrijpen. Zowel met trk als met rte begrijpt hij het helemaal. header: ?xml version=1.0? gpx version=1.1 creator=Iwan Oprins xmlns:xsi= http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns= http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1; xsi:schemaLocation= http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd; Natuurlijk is niet iedere relatie gesloten. Dit ligt aan de maker van de relatie. Als je een relatie laat analyseren, dan krijg je ook te horen dat een relatie bestaat uit een zeker aantal segmenten. Deze segmenten kunnen dan toch eenvoudig in GPX tracksegmenten geplaatst worden. Met een beetje sleutelen kan er toch vrij snel in plaats van .../full ook een .../gpxtrack en/of gpxroute gemaakt worden zodat de noeste arbeid van relatiebouwers er in een keurige bruikbare GPX bestand uit kunnen komen en door OpenStreetMap gebruikers hergebruikt worden. Is dit uitvoerbaar? -Robert- Uitvoerbaar ja, zal meer een kwestie van tijd en zin zijn denk ik... Rob ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel
Je moet zeker gaan wandelen? ;) Wat mij betreft komt het allebei even goed / even slecht uit. Ongeacht de dag weet ik niet zeker of ik er ben. Hilversum als locatie vind ik prima. Frank Quoting rob...@elsenaar.info: -1 Helaas moet ik dan afhaken, want dat komt mij erg slecht uit. -Robert- Citeren Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com: Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter uitkomt ;-) Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord? Gr, Henk H. 2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu Laten we dat maar vastzetten. Lokatie t.b.a. Groet, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness âEUR impatience âEUR hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl http://schaaltreinen.xn--nl-qia | http://martijnvanexel.nl http://martijnvanexel.xn--nl-qia | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: Hilversum lijkt me ook prima! za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit. Henk Hoff wrote: Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam ;-) Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum (voor de verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het station (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari iedereen prima in de oren? Gr, Henk Hoff On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel. Wie heeft zin om te organiseren? Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :) Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness âEUR impatience âEUR hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel
Nee sorry, dit keer niet wandelen. ;) Alhoewel ik heb een jaarlijks winter event van een andere hiobby van me: Boogschieten. En dat is even belangrijker dan een nieuwjaarsborrel. Tot komende zondag allemaal. Daar is ook wel drank aanwezig. Wellicht een prima alternatief voor de 15de of de 16de. Zorg ik voor Champagne en bier. Gaan we eerst www.openstreetmap.nl opkalefateren en aansluitend vieren we het nieuwe jaar uit. Wie mee wil helpen aan de site komt om 12:00 uur (lunch met Erwtensoep) en wie alleen wil borrelen komt om 17:00 uur. Is dat een goed alternatief? groet -Robert- Citeren stegg...@steggink.org: Je moet zeker gaan wandelen? ;) Wat mij betreft komt het allebei even goed / even slecht uit. Ongeacht de dag weet ik niet zeker of ik er ben. Hilversum als locatie vind ik prima. Frank Quoting rob...@elsenaar.info: -1 Helaas moet ik dan afhaken, want dat komt mij erg slecht uit. -Robert- Citeren Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com: Bedenk me ineens dat zondag 16 januari me eigenlijk best een stuk beter uitkomt ;-) Wanneer geen bezwaar, dan stel ik voor om het toch op zondag (middag en uitloop naar de avond?) te doen. Ik zal de komende dagen even op zoek gaan naar een locatie. Hilversum akkoord? Gr, Henk H. 2011/1/3 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu Laten we dat maar vastzetten. Lokatie t.b.a. Groet, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Staat de 15e inderdaad? Ik zet 't in mijn agenda. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness âEUR impatience âEUR hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl http://schaaltreinen.xn--nl-qia | http://martijnvanexel.nl http://martijnvanexel.xn--nl-qia | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/12/22 Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu: Hilversum lijkt me ook prima! za of zo maakt mij niet zoveel uit. Henk Hoff wrote: Jeetje, *alweer* Amsterdam ;-) Ik stel voor eens ergens anders heen te gaan. Mijn lijkt Hilversum (voor de verandering) wel wat. Er zijn daar een paar locaties vlak bij het station (Cafe Dudok en Cafe Cartouche bv). En klinkt zaterdag 15 januari iedereen prima in de oren? Gr, Henk Hoff On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Een mooie traditie, de OSM nieuwjaarsborrel. Wie heeft zin om te organiseren? Als ik het doe, wordt het weer Amsterdam, je bent gewaarschuwd :) Ergens in de eerste of tweede week van januari lijkt me. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness âEUR impatience âEUR hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger
Op 1 januari 2011 18:41 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende: Op verschillende pagina's in OSM worden opgeslagen relaties gedocumenteerd, voorbeeld: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Nederland_Wandelroutes Bij ieder relatie nummer staat de letter x waarmee je een XML bestand van de relatie kunt downloaden. Deze XML geeft echter niet voldoende informatie (lat/lon) om deze te gebruiken als input voor de GPS. Heb je het ook al via de letter a (van OSM Relation Analyzer) geprobeert. Is het te downloaden GPX bestand op de resultpagina wel bruikbaar voor je GPS? Remco ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger
@Remco: Je bent geweldig. Eindelijk iemand die mij de juiste uithoek heeft kunnen tonen. Even alle gekheid op een stokje: 1) GPS bestand is voldoende en wordt geaccepteerd en weergegeven. 2) Niet alle nuttige relatieinformatie wordt meegegeven. (Optimalisatie) 3) Nodes in de relatie zoude meegegeven kunnen worden als WayPoints. (Optimalisatie) 4) GPX download zou vanaf een pagina direct bereikbaar moeten zijn: baseURL/relatienummer (Optimalisatie) Wie heeft de mogelijkheid / zin om deze optimalisaties samen met mij door te voeren? - Robert - From: rethna Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:50 PM To: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XML voor mijn GPS Ontvanger Op 1 januari 2011 18:41 schreef Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info het volgende: Op verschillende pagina's in OSM worden opgeslagen relaties gedocumenteerd, voorbeeld: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Nederland_Wandelroutes Bij ieder relatie nummer staat de letter x waarmee je een XML bestand van de relatie kunt downloaden. Deze XML geeft echter niet voldoende informatie (lat/lon) om deze te gebruiken als input voor de GPS. Heb je het ook al via de letter a (van OSM Relation Analyzer) geprobeert. Is het te downloaden GPX bestand op de resultpagina wel bruikbaar voor je GPS? Remco --- Tekst ingevoegd door Panda GP 2011: Als het hier gaat om een ongevraagde e-mail (SPAM), klik dan op de volgende link om de e-mail te herclasseren: It is SPAM! --- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ouderdom Bing-tiles
Dat zou ik op mijn versie ook graag willen doen, maar mijn server is helaas net overleden... Ik heb vandaag bij http://osm.org/?node=241602395 een nieuwe lamp gekocht. Daarvoor was het nodig om de stroom eraf te gooien, anders was ik er niet meer. De server zit in dezelfde groep als de lamp. De fan van de server loopt soms aan als ik de server start. Zo ook nadat ik de stroom weer inschakelde en genoot van mijn nieuwe licht. Meestal is het mogelijk om met een 'corrigerende tik' van een schroevendraaier de ongewenste bijgeluiden te doen verdwijnen. Dit werkt dan tot de volgende reboot. Deze keer dus niet. Er brak zelfs een stukje plastic uit die fan. Dit is dus het einde van mijn server. Hij heeft 2011 gehaald, maar helaas was dat het dan. Ik zal m'n vader nog eens herinneren aan het feit dat naast wat osm tools ook zijn muziekverzameling erop staat, de schijven zijn immers nog intact. Intussen zijn donaties altijd welkom, een eventueel overschot gaat naar OSM toe! Groeten, Peter Op 3 januari 2011 07:42 heeft Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org het volgende geschreven: Ik ben nog met een paar dingetjes bezig. een OSM-laag hoort daar ook bij. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2011/1/2 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: Martijn van Exel wrote: Ik heb 't voor elkaar: http://lima.schaaltreinen.nl/mvexel/bing/tile.phps Ik heb een plek gevonden waar de Bing map datum toch helemaal verkeerd is. http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/?lat=51.35040877040094lon=6.153000235559913zoom=17 Waar nu de A73 ligt is de laatste jaren heel wat gebouwd en aangepast. Maaar vanaf ergens begin 2000 lag waar nu de A73 ligt de aansluitende weg van de Zuiderbrug in Venlo naar de de N271 en uiteindelijk. Bij de aanleg van de A73 is die een vervangen door die A73 (en een paar meter beetje oostelijk als 50km weg opnieuw aangelegd). Maar op bovenstaande link zie je dat die weg vanuit het NW opeens niet meer op de kaart staat. Volgens Bing zijn die kaarten van juni 2005. Maar ik heb toch echt tracks uit 2002 dat ik over die weg gereden ben. Als je nog een niveau verder inzoomt dan zie je die weg opeens wel liggen, maar dan geeft Bing een datum van juni 2006. Wat overigens nog een hele leuke toevoeging zou zijn is een transparante overlay met de huidige OSM kaart. Is dat te realiseren Martijn? Groeten, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Weekbulletin
Ha allemaal, Het nieuwe weekbulletin is weer gepubliceerd[1]. Voor degenen die nog niet hebben bijgedragen: dat kan je doen door gewoon de Google Doc te openen via deze link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bihWQMlO-ucLUqPy04OoUVQxZiXP4xOOEXuCjcF2wh8/edit?hl=enauthkey=CIqZu-QG# ..en je bijdrage in te voegen. Op zondagavond kan het bulletin worden gepost op blog.openstreetmap.nl. Martijn [1] http://blog.openstreetmap.nl/index.php/2011/01/04/weekbulletin-week-51-52-2010/ Martijn van Exel +++...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[talk-au] highway shields: AU
Hi All, I've been working on better highway shield rendering in Canada and the US for a while. I added a few Australian shields today. My rendering of shields relies on the network tag as documented http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Road_Routes and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields#Australia To make these work well globally, the network tag should be namespaced with the country and if needed, the state / province. I've added the AU_ prefix to the Australian shields in the wiki link above. If you have a more thorough discussion of the AU network tag please point me to it. For now I've implemented a Dirty Hack(r) on my server to allow rendering for this example below. The server connection is a bit fragile, so if you get nothing try again tomorrow. http://weait.com:8080/map/shield.html?lat=-37.75568lon=144.92465zoom=11layers=BTF In future, I'll tweak the shield images a bit, but probably not for a few weeks. If, in your future highway editing, you could update your network tags to the AU_NH, AU_NR, etc. form, that will mean that Australian shields will continue to render after I clean up the Dirty Hack(r). ;-) I'd like your feedback, including which other shields should be added? Metroads? Best regards and Happy New Year, Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:15:58 -0500 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: If, in your future highway editing, you could update your network tags to the AU_NH, AU_NR, etc. form, that will mean that Australian shields will continue to render after I clean up the Dirty Hack(r). ;-) we now put network tags in relations so another line in the relation would be appropriate but thanks for making highway shields ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Locations of underground creeks
Hi all, I was having a look at trying to connect the end of scotchman's creek in Melbourne with where it runs into Gardiner's Creek. It disappears underground here: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.88404,145.090248z=21t=knmd=20101120 And reappears here: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.876498,145.079487z=21t=knmd=20101120 Melway shows it meandering back and forth underneath the freeway. Any ideas where to get information on the shape of the tunnel, if that's what it is? If not, do we just draw a straight line from inlet to outlet? Suggestions? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU
On 4 January 2011 06:15, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: To make these work well globally, the network tag should be namespaced with the country and if needed, the state / province. I've added the AU_ prefix to the Australian shields in the wiki link above. If you have a more thorough discussion of the AU network tag please point me to it. Why do you need to do this when there is country boundaries to use? If you must add something like this do it in post processing... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2011 06:15, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: To make these work well globally, the network tag should be namespaced with the country and if needed, the state / province. I've added the AU_ prefix to the Australian shields in the wiki link above. If you have a more thorough discussion of the AU network tag please point me to it. Why do you need to do this when there is country boundaries to use? Two reasons, so far. We have found highways maintained outside the border of the expected jurisdiction. So a NY shield is required in Pennsylvania. But mostly because we have to describe the shield in the context of a file system, as well, to find the shield images. Finding the M shield is easier when we know if it should be the AU_M, UK_M or another. If you must add something like this do it in post processing... We're not describing the jurisdiction, but the network, or essentially the shield background image. It can't always be extracted from the location. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU
On 4 January 2011 12:34, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Two reasons, so far. We have found highways maintained outside the border of the expected jurisdiction. So a NY shield is required in Pennsylvania. But mostly because we have to describe the shield in the context of a file system, as well, to find the shield images. Finding the M shield is easier when we know if it should be the AU_M, UK_M or another. Then tag the exception, rather than everything, and in the case of Australia, which road exactly goes outside the country border? If you must add something like this do it in post processing... We're not describing the jurisdiction, but the network, or essentially the shield background image. It can't always be extracted from the location. See above... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] highway shields: AU
On 4 January 2011 14:07, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Then tag the exception, rather than everything, and in the case of Australia, which road exactly goes outside the country border? Oh almost forgot, if you have to do this, use an existing tag like addr:state=* ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Locations of underground creeks
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:51:54 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Yer, but GPS's don't work underground. you need an INS ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] What's happening in April? (was: Re: Suitable Garmin GPS Devices)
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On being able to add to the data - note that there is a split in the community over the new licence for OSM and some substantial contributors to the Australian map will provide no more data to OSM after April Fool's Day. We will have alternate data sources by then. Oh, this is news. What's happening in April? (I guess I am not one of the substantial contributors :)) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What's happening in April? (was: Re: Suitable Garmin GPS Devices)
/me is hoping that there will be multiple API instances globally so then the planet load can be shared. Ideally, designated country-specific APIs which require a unique login will be setup and ready for april 1st.. This makes for merging the API's at a later date (when the dust settles) MUCH easier. cheers, Sam On 1/3/11, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On being able to add to the data - note that there is a split in the community over the new licence for OSM and some substantial contributors to the Australian map will provide no more data to OSM after April Fool's Day. We will have alternate data sources by then. Oh, this is news. What's happening in April? (I guess I am not one of the substantial contributors :)) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Relatório OSM-br: 02/01/2011
Em Dom, 2011-01-02 às 09:44 -0200, vitor escreveu: Status dos Atividades OSM-br B250C - Brasil 250 Cidades Página do Projeto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/Brasil_250_Cidades 2a. fase Conectividade em 84,83% (+5.27%) Grid Atualizado (html): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.html (15 Mb) Grid Atualizado (zip): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.zip (2,6 Mb) JOSM - Tradução ao português Página do Projeto: https://translations.launchpad.net/josm/trunk/+pots/josm Indicador: Percentual de strings traduzidas em 62.44% (+1,65%) Tradução do Texto de Notícias do JOSM: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/StartupPageSource Só pra atualizar o relatório.. Eu estou traduzindo o JOSM e já passei de 90%. Assim que terminar irei enviar o .PO via Launchpad. -- Djavan Fagundes E-mail | xmpp: dja...@comum.org http://djavan.comum.org/blog/ http://butequeiro.comum.org/ http://comum.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Relatório OSM-br: 02/01/2011
Eu traduzi hoje algumas coisas direto da interface web do Launchpad, então deve dar alguns conflitos. 2011/1/3 Djavan Fagundes dja...@comum.org Em Dom, 2011-01-02 às 09:44 -0200, vitor escreveu: Status dos Atividades OSM-br B250C - Brasil 250 Cidades Página do Projeto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/Brasil_250_Cidades 2a. fase Conectividade em 84,83% (+5.27%) Grid Atualizado (html): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.html (15 Mb) Grid Atualizado (zip): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.zip (2,6 Mb) JOSM - Tradução ao português Página do Projeto: https://translations.launchpad.net/josm/trunk/+pots/josm Indicador: Percentual de strings traduzidas em 62.44% (+1,65%) Tradução do Texto de Notícias do JOSM: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/StartupPageSource Só pra atualizar o relatório.. Eu estou traduzindo o JOSM e já passei de 90%. Assim que terminar irei enviar o .PO via Launchpad. -- Djavan Fagundes E-mail | xmpp: dja...@comum.org http://djavan.comum.org/blog/ http://butequeiro.comum.org/ http://comum.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Relatório OSM-br: 02/01/2011
Em Seg, 2011-01-03 às 15:22 -0300, Bráulio escreveu: Eu traduzi hoje algumas coisas direto da interface web do Launchpad, então deve dar alguns conflitos. Tentarei ver o diff para inserir as suas traduções. Eu tenho conta de revisor no LP, então eu traduzo offline e envio direto, é bem melhor. Se possível, aguarde uns dias até que eu termine e envie, então você pode revisar pra ver se usei os termos corretos. -- Djavan Fagundes E-mail | xmpp: dja...@comum.org http://djavan.comum.org/blog/ http://butequeiro.comum.org/ http://comum.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Relatório OSM-br: 02/01/2011
Se não me engano também tinha um caso de tanto grave_yard quanto cemetery estarem traduzidas como cemitério. Acho que o grave_yard ficaria melhor como túmulo. LMB 2011/1/3 Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com: Uma dica que eu dou a todos é prestar atenção em coisas que parecem mas não são. Por exemplo, eu corrigi um dia desses a tag de baby hatch ( estava como berçário, mas é na verdade um lugar para depósito anônimo de bebês ) e também a de motel ( motor hotel X love hotel ). 2011/1/3 Djavan Fagundes dja...@comum.org Em Seg, 2011-01-03 às 15:22 -0300, Bráulio escreveu: Eu traduzi hoje algumas coisas direto da interface web do Launchpad, então deve dar alguns conflitos. Tentarei ver o diff para inserir as suas traduções. Eu tenho conta de revisor no LP, então eu traduzo offline e envio direto, é bem melhor. Se possível, aguarde uns dias até que eu termine e envie, então você pode revisar pra ver se usei os termos corretos. -- Djavan Fagundes E-mail | xmpp: dja...@comum.org http://djavan.comum.org/blog/ http://butequeiro.comum.org/ http://comum.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Re-2: Importaçôes ilegais d o usuário deltabrasil
Sabe, tem 108 pontas de Tracksource ainda no Banco de Dados (na dia 24/12). Tem alugem para collectar os pontos para reverçao? Eu so sem tempo ate fim de Janeiro. Original Message Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Importaçôes ilegais do usuário deltabrasil (02-Jan-2011 21:28) From:Leandro Motta Barros lmbar...@gmail.com To: c...@geobahia.net.br Olás, Acho que existe um segundo changeset (esse bem pequeno) com importações do Tracksource: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/6668309 LMB 2010/12/31 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Eu não sei como é possível o Tracksource reclamar copyright se os seus dados são baseados em sua maioria nos mapas da garmin e do google maps, que são os detentores originais do copyright. Para mim, todo e qualquer dado do Tracksource deve ser ignorado, para não nos trazer problemas futuros. 2010/12/30 Leandro Motta Barros lmbar...@gmail.com Acho que o Tracksource deveria ser tirado dali... o FAQ deles e é bem claro: Mas, os dados e fontes dos mapas são de propriedade exclusiva do Tracksource, protegidos por Copyright e sujeitos à licença de utilização. (http://www.tracksource.org.br/index.php?option=com_contentview=article; id=26Itemid=51#FAQ-003) LMB 2010/12/30 c...@geobahia.net.br: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#Brasil Original Message Subject: [Talk-br] Importaçôes ilegais do usuário deltabrasil (27-Dez-2010 21:32) From: Djavan Fagundes dja...@comum.org To: �...@geobahia.net.br Pessoal, Editando agora, encontrei este changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/6778093 Veio tudo do tracksource. Djavan ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-is] Er að skoða hjólastígana
Takk fyrir greinargóðar upplýsingar, þær eiga eftir að nýtast vel. Mitt markmið með þessum vangaveltum er það að fá hjólavefsjá til að virka að eitthverju marki eins og til er ætlast. Ég er svo mikill nýgræðingur í þessum málun að ég efast stórlega að okkar fundur myndi skila okkur miklu, (að okkur báðum ólöstuðum). Ég byrjaði líkelga að sýna þessu verkefni áhuga á álíka tíma og þú, Þ.E. þegar umræðan um hjólavfefsjá fór á skrið. Svo á ég líka frekar erfvitt með mannamót þessi misserin, þar sem að ég stunda af kappi langar og strangar næturvaktir. Fyrir mér hafa samt eylífar vangaveltur, skoðanir og skilgreiningar á hjóavísum, reinum, greinum stígum slóðum, leiðum, vegköntum, gangbrautum og þessháttar bara verið til travala, þvæst fyrir og ruglað mig í ríminu. Hreinlega tafið mig í að koma eitthverju í verk. Stæðsta vandamálið sem ég sé í sambandi við þessa hjóavefsjá eru skortur á tengingum á milli hjólaleiða þ.e.hjóaleiða sem td. fara í gegnum eða yfir almennar umferðargötur. Þar slitnar oft leiðin og routing vélin fer skrítnar krókaleiðir. Ég ætla að klára seltjarnarnes og vesturbæ eftir reglunum sem eru á wiki síðunni við fyrsta tækifæri (hvenær sem það verður) og skoða svo virknina á vefsjánni. En áður en ég geri það þarf ég að verða mér uppi um upplýsingar um hvaða tög henta ridethecity vefsjánni best. Kv. Kalli 2011/1/3 Arni Davidsson arni...@gmail.com Sæll Karl Ég væri til í að hittast og skoða þetta saman. Til dæmis gæti ég komið eftir kl. 15 á morgun eða á fimmtudaginn. Einu raunverulegu hjólastígarnir eru á köflum frá Ægisíðu inn eftir Fossvogsdal, og í Lönguhlíð og um 200 m bútur á Laugavegi. Allir aðrir stígar eru blandaðir göngu og hjólreiðastígar og þar á ekki að vera nein miðlína eða 1+2 lína (hjólarein eins og þú kallar það á Sæbrautinni). Reykjavíkurborg er búin að gefa það út að þeir séu hættir að skipta þessum blönduðu stígum upp með línu í svo kallaða 1+2 stíga. Borgin tímir hinsvegar ekki að afmá þær þannig að þær verða lengi að hverfa. Eftir það ætti venjuleg hægri umferð að gilda á stígunum með framúrtöku vinstra megin ef aðstæður leyfa. Samkvæmt umferðarlögum eiga gangandi vegfarendur forgang fram yfir hjólandi á stígum og gangstéttum með blandaðri umferð sbr. 4 mgr. 39. gr.: Heimilt er að hjóla á gangstétt og gangstíg, enda valdi það ekki gangandi vegfarendum hættu eða óþægindum. Hjólreiðamaður á gangstétt eða gangstíg skal víkja fyrir gangandi vegfarendum. Það er með þessu undanþáguákvæði sem hjólreiðar eru leyfðar á stígum og gangstéttum. Þessir blönduðu göngu og hjólreiðastígar og gangstéttir sem eru merktar á hjólakorti Reykjavíkurborgar og á höfuðborgarsvæðinu eru misjafnir. Sumstaðar eru þeir ágætir, einkum þar sem stígsýnin er góð og umferð gangandi er lítil. Aðrir henta illa til hjólreiða, a.m.k. á venjulegum hraða. Það er spurning hvernig á að merkja þessa stíga. Annaðhvort ættu þeir að vera Tag:highway=footway with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Dyes Tag:bicycle=yes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Dyes sem rímar betur við stöðu þeirra skv. umferðarlögum eða þá með: Tag:highway=path http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath with Tag:bicycle=yeshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Dyes and Tag:foot=yes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:foot%3Dyes. En sem fyrr segir eiga blönduðu stígarnir ekki að vera með línu sem skiptir þeim í framtíðinni. * *Raunverulegir hjólastígar ættu að vera með: Tag:highway=cyclewayhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcyclewayen spurning með : Tag:foot=designatedhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:foot%3Ddesignated and Tag:segregated=yeshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:segregated%3Dyesaction=editredlink=1. * *Hver útkoman er í hjólavefsjánni m.v. þessar merkingar veit ég ekki. Hugsanlega þarf að taka tillit til þess? Til viðbótar við stígana eru síðan hjólavísar á götum. Þeir eru á Suðurgötu sunnan Hringbrautar, Einarsnesi, Langholtsvegi og Laugarásvegi. Suðurgata norðan Hringbrautar er með hjólarein í norðurátt gegn einstefnu bíla og hjólavísa í suðurátt á bílaakreininni. kveðja Árni Davíðsson formaður Landssamtaka hjólreiðamanna www.LHM.is s: 862 9247 * * 2011/1/2 Karl Georg ka...@ekkert.org Fysti pósturinn minn virðist ekki hafa skilað sér enn hann má sjá hér að neðan, og reyndar í fyrra svari mínu líka: Kv. Kalli 2011/1/2 Kalli G ka...@ekkert.orgka...@ekkert.org *Hæ,* *Mig langar svolítið að yfirfara hjólastígana með því að leiðarljósi að festa saman leiðir sem sem virka ekki í hjólavefsjá vegna þess að endar ná ekki saman. Fysta skref mitt er að fara yfir obinbert hjólakort reykjavíkurborgar,sjá:* http://www.reykjavik.is/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-3546/5704_view-1026/ http://www.reykjavik.is/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-3546/5704_view-1026/ Heildarkort af Reykjavík 2010 (PDF útgáfa - 2,7
[Talk-is] Notkun upplýsinga um pósthús og p óstkassa
Góðan dag Við höfum fengið leyfi Íslandspósts til að nota upplýsingar um staðsetningar póstkassa og pósthúsa eins og þær koma fyrir á heimasíðu þeirra. kv. Daníel G. ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is
Re: [Talk-de] Karte im Netzt
http://map.naturschutz.rlp.de/ [...] selbst Grundstückgrenzen werden wiedergegeben. [...] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks
Am 03.01.2011 07:22, schrieb Gary68: also das was da ist hat nun über 30h rechenzeit gekostet. das ist mir für wöchentlich etwas viel. Hallo Gary, ich bin z. Z. in Tunis, Libreville, Bamako und Nouakschott tätig. Wenn (fast) fertig, werde ich mir ein neues Gebiet suchen. Wenn das Rechnen mit der derzeitigen Methode so aufwändig ist, werden Frederik und Co. das Problem - wie angdeutet- doch noch weiter überlegen/besprechen müssen, was man da machen kann. Brauchen wir weitere Server und einen Spendenaufruf? Gruß Dieter Jasper kannst du näher einschränken, wo du arbeiten möchtest? nord/süd? west/ost? oder brauchst du den einen oder anderen check nicht? danke gerhard On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 12:59 +0100, dieter jasper wrote: Am 02.01.2011 09:24, schrieb Gary68: hi, unter http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/africa/africa.zip gibt es bereits zwei checks zum thema. weitere werden folgen, wenn fertig gerechnet. aktualisierung auf anfrage Hallo, danke für die schnelle Reaktion. Ist evtl. eine wöchentliche Aktualisierung möglich? Gruß Dieter Jasper ciao und viel spaß beim fehler beheben! gerhard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] denomination bei evangelischen Kirchen
Hallo, Rainer Knaepper rain...@smial.prima.de wrote: Evangelisch muss vom im 20. Jahrhundert entstandenen Begriff evangelikal unterschieden werden, omfg, nu ist das also auch bei osm angekommen? Rainer (der gruselige Grabenkämpfe um diese Begriffe in der WP sah) Mein dringender Rat in dieser Sache waere, jegliches Tagging, das ueber place_of_worship=church, building=yes, name=xyz und religion=christian hinausgeht, der oertlichen Gemeinde zu ueberlassen (und manchmal laesst man das religion=christian vielleicht auch besser noch weg). Es mag gut gemeint sein, wenn man versucht, aus dem Namen irgendwelche Schluesse zu ziehen, und wir haben auch ein paar Spezialisten, die das weltweit tun - aber meiner Ansicht nach ist der Nutzen davon gering im Vergleich zu dem potentiellen Schaden, den man durch unzulaessige Schluesse und Verallgemeinerungen verursacht. Wenn ich, weil ich von Sport keine Ahnung habe, ein Fussballfeld versehentlich als sport=rugby tagge, ist das halb so wild, aber durch falsches Tagging im Religionsbereich kann man zahlreichen Leuten auf die Fuesse treten. Wenn man selber nicht fanatisch (sondern moderat oder gar nicht) religioes ist, vergisst man das gern, aber Menschen toeten fuer sowas (und zwar nicht bloss irgendwo im Nahen Osten - gerade erst kam durch WikiLeaks heraus, dass in England ernsthafte Sorgen bestanden, es koennte zu gewalttaetigen Ausschreitungen gegen Katholiken kommen, weil der Papst anglikanischen Bischoefen ein grosszuegiges Uebertrittsangebot unterbreitet hatte). Ich kann niemandem was vorschreiben, aber ich persoenlich mache einen ganz grossen Bogen um irgendwelche Religionstags, wenn ich nicht gerade vor der Kirche stehe und das Schild abschreibe. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks
hi, ich kann von cloudmate die poly files einzelner länder ziehen. damit ließe sich der aufwand deutlich reduzieren. nu habe ich mir - burkina faso - gabon - tunisia geholt. aber bamakos gibt es viele... welches land fehlt also? ich denke, so kann das wöchentlich laufen. ciao gerhard - original Nachricht Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks Gesendet: Mo, 03. Jan 2011 Von: dieter jasperdieter_jas...@web.de Am 03.01.2011 07:22, schrieb Gary68: also das was da ist hat nun über 30h rechenzeit gekostet. das ist mir für wöchentlich etwas viel. Hallo Gary, ich bin z. Z. in Tunis, Libreville, Bamako und Nouakschott tätig. Wenn (fast) fertig, werde ich mir ein neues Gebiet suchen. Wenn das Rechnen mit der derzeitigen Methode so aufwändig ist, werden Frederik und Co. das Problem - wie angdeutet- doch noch weiter überlegen/besprechen müssen, was man da machen kann. Brauchen wir weitere Server und einen Spendenaufruf? Gruß Dieter Jasper kannst du näher einschränken, wo du arbeiten möchtest? nord/süd? west/ost? oder brauchst du den einen oder anderen check nicht? danke gerhard On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 12:59 +0100, dieter jasper wrote: Am 02.01.2011 09:24, schrieb Gary68: hi, unter http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/africa/africa.zip gibt es bereits zwei checks zum thema. weitere werden folgen, wenn fertig gerechnet. aktualisierung auf anfrage Hallo, danke für die schnelle Reaktion. Ist evtl. eine wöchentliche Aktualisierung möglich? Gruß Dieter Jasper ciao und viel spaß beim fehler beheben! gerhard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de --- original Nachricht Ende ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] In welchen Breiten ist OSM besonders aktiv
Eben entdeckt: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Nodes_by_lat.png 2006 waren wir besonders zwischen 30°N und 50°N aktiv. Gibt es neuere Untersuchungen? Könnte sich durch Bing verändert haben... Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] denomination bei evangelischen Kirchen
Hallo Frederik, so schlimm ist es nun auch nicht. Sicher hat Religion etwas mit Emotion zu tun. Aber lass dann doch mal die Kirche im Dorf. wegen ein paar Duchgeknallten gleich das gesamte Thema der Religionsgemeinschaften zum verminten Gebiet zu erklären ist doch wohl etwas weit hergeholt. Sicherlich ist es aber gut, wirklich nur das zu Mappen was man auch gut kennt, aber das ist doch eigentlich sowieso Mapperprinzip oder...? happy mapping UMAX974 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks
Am 03.01.11 13:23, schrieb Gary G:: hi, ich kann von cloudmate die poly files einzelner länder ziehen. damit ließe sich der aufwand deutlich reduzieren. nu habe ich mir - burkina faso - gabon - tunisia geholt. aber bamakos gibt es viele... welches land fehlt also? Das hier: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamako ist die Hauptstadt von Mali. Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks
Am 03.01.2011 13:23, schrieb Gary G:: hi, ich kann von cloudmate die poly files einzelner länder ziehen. damit ließe sich der aufwand deutlich reduzieren. nu habe ich mir - burkina faso - gabon - tunisia geholt. aber bamakos gibt es viele... welches land fehlt also? Bamako, Mali Gruß Dieter Jasper ich denke, so kann das wöchentlich laufen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] denomination bei evangelischen Kirchen
Hallo, On 01/03/11 13:39, UMAX974 wrote: Sicher hat Religion etwas mit Emotion zu tun. Aber lass dann doch mal die Kirche im Dorf. wegen ein paar Duchgeknallten gleich das gesamte Thema der Religionsgemeinschaften zum verminten Gebiet zu erklären ist doch wohl etwas weit hergeholt. Ich meinte hauptsaechlich, dass bei bei Religionsgemeinschaften noch weniger als sonst als Aussenseiter irgendwas taggen sollte. (Und Aussenseiter ist fuer mich jeder, der nicht zu der lokalen Gemeinde gehoert). Sicherlich ist es aber gut, wirklich nur das zu Mappen was man auch gut kennt, aber das ist doch eigentlich sowieso Mapperprinzip oder...? Wenn ich irgendwo in Asien was vom Luftbild abpinsele, dann erlaube ich mir durchaus ab und zu auch einen educated guess - z.B. ich hab zwar keine Ahnung, was die hier so fuer Sportarten haben, aber das hier sieht aus wie ein Tennisplatz, also tagge ich das mal so, wenns falsch ist, soll es halt jemand fixen. Bei Religionen wuerde ich das nicht machen, obwohl ich sicher bin, dass ein erfahrener Bilder-Angucker in vielen Faellen vom Luftbild schon relativ sicher sagen kann, was fuer eine Glaubensrichtung so ein Gotteshaus hat. Ebensowenig wuerde ich Kirchen in Deutschland eine denomination verpassen, die ich rein aus ihrem Namen abgeleitet habe (so nach dem Motto irgendwas mit St. Vitus im Namen ist bestimmt katholisch oder so). Der Nutzen ist geringer als der potentielle Aerger, finde ich. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Was ist in OSM eine Autobahn?
Ich wollte mal Fragen, ob es beim Tagging einer nicht eindeutigen Autobahn eine feste Regel gibt. Und zwar geht es mir um die Frage: Bezeichnet highway=motorway die straßenrechtliche oder die straßenverkehrsrechtliche Einstufung als Autobahn? Die straßenrechrliche Einstufung beinhaltet die sogenannte Widmung. Das ist die amtliche Bezeichnung der Straße und so dann auch in den amtlichen Daten eingetragen [1]. Die straßenverkehrsrechtliche Einstufung beinhaltet die Beschilderung als Autobahn nach StVO mit Zeichen 330 [2]. Und dann gibt es da auch noch die ausgeschilderte Nummer auf den Wegweisern. Diese 3 Dinge stimen in über 99% aller Fälle auch überein (Eine Bundesautobahn mit Zeichen 330, die mit der amtlichen Nummer beschildert ist), es gibt allerdings auch einige Stellen in Deutschland, wo das nicht alles übereinstimmt. Diese sind in OSM bisher uneinheitlich erfasst: 1. Es gibt einbahnige Abschnitte im Zuge der Bundesautobahnen A60 [3], A62 [4] und A98 [5][6]. Diese Abschnitte sind als Bundesautobahn gewidmet und auch mit ihrer amtlichen Nummer beschildert, allerdings sind sie keine Autobahnen nach StVO, sondern Kraftfahrstraßen. Während A62 und (z.T.) A98 als highway=trunk mit einem Way erfasst sind, sind A8 und A60 als highway=motorway und fälschlicherweise mit 2 Ways erfasst. 2. Die B28 von der A7 bis Ulm [7]. Als Relikt einer inzwischen aufgegebenen Autobahnplanung ist diese Bundesstraße als StVO-Autobahn beschildert. In OSM als highway=trunk erfasst. 3. Die A40/B1 im Westen von Dortmund [8]. Auch wenn sie als A40-Autobahn beschildert ist, ist die Straße weiterhin als B1 gewidmet. 4. Die A44/B1 östlich von Dortmund [9]. Genaueres unter [10]. Es gibt auch noch ein paar weitere Fälle, dazu verweise ich auf 2 (nicht zwingend vollständige) Listen in der Wikipedia [11] [12] Ich würde mir Wünschen, wenn es hier ein einheitliche Linie geben würde. Deshalb mein Vorschlag: 1. Alles was mit StVO-Zeichen 330 beschildert ist, ist highway=motorway, alles was nicht damit beschildert ist, ist maximal highway=trunk. Und das unabhängig von der Widmung. 2. In ref=* kommt im Zweifel die ausgeschilderte Nummer. 3. Alle Straßen kommen in die route-Relation der Straße, als die sie gewidmet sind. Ergänzend könnte man für die amtliche Nummer noch sowas wie admin_ref=* einführen. Dieser Vorschlag ist an dem orientiert, was man vor Ort vofindet. Ganz einfach, weil ich denke, dass es so z.B. beim Routing die wenigsten Fehler/ Unklarheiten geben dürfte. [1] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=strassennrwlon=7.42932lat=51.49267zoom=8 [2] http://www.sicherestrassen.de/VKZKatalog/Frameaufbau.htm?http://www.sicherestrassen.de/VKZKatalog/Kat330.htm [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.1999lon=6.2906zoom=12layers=M [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.318lon=7.614zoom=11layers=M [5] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.57497lon=8.09329zoom=15layers=M [6] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.6284lon=8.2974zoom=14layers=M [7] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.3583lon=10.0287zoom=12layers=M [8] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4949lon=7.418zoom=14layers=M [9] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.5154lon=7.6323zoom=14layers=M [10] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/B1_Howi_Unna [11] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Autobahnen,_die_keine_Bundesautobahnen_sind [12] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Bundesautobahnen,_die_keine_Autobahnen_sind ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] denomination bei evangelischen Kirchen
René Falk li...@falconaerie.de wrote: Sorry, hab mich da unklar ausgedrückt. Die vorgeschlagene Recherche bezieht sich natürlich auf die betreffende Kirche. Häufig steht das im Wikipedia Artikel des betreffenden Ortes oder Ortsteils. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Was ist in OSM eine Autobahn?
Am 03.01.2011 15:22, Robert S.: Ich wollte mal Fragen, ob es beim Tagging einer nicht eindeutigen Autobahn eine feste Regel gibt. Nein, bei nicht eindeutigen Autobahnen gibt es keine festen Regeln. (mehrere Beispiele entfernt) Ich würde mir Wünschen, wenn es hier ein einheitliche Linie geben würde. Deshalb mein Vorschlag: 1. Alles was mit StVO-Zeichen 330 beschildert ist, ist highway=motorway, alles was nicht damit beschildert ist, ist maximal highway=trunk. Und das unabhängig von der Widmung. So tagge ich auch. 2. In ref=* kommt im Zweifel die ausgeschilderte Nummer. Ja, was sonst? 3. Alle Straßen kommen in die route-Relation der Straße, als die sie gewidmet sind. Ergänzend könnte man für die amtliche Nummer noch sowas wie admin_ref=* einführen. Äh... Nö, warum denn? Ich nehme die Straße in die Route-Relation auf, die beschildert ist. Dürfte ich denn das amtliche Datum der Widmung übernehmen? Ist das öffentliche ersichtlich? Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks
hallo dieter. ok, die vier länder sind nun eingestellt. lasse es wöchentlich laufen. sollte immer so dienstags abends da sein. evtl. kannst du ja mal die eine oder andere aktion starten? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aktionen dann wird dir geholfen :-) ciao gerhard On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 14:00 +0100, dieter jasper wrote: Am 03.01.2011 13:23, schrieb Gary G:: hi, ich kann von cloudmate die poly files einzelner länder ziehen. damit ließe sich der aufwand deutlich reduzieren. nu habe ich mir - burkina faso - gabon - tunisia geholt. aber bamakos gibt es viele... welches land fehlt also? Bamako, Mali Gruß Dieter Jasper ich denke, so kann das wöchentlich laufen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Was ist in OSM eine Autobahn?
Hallo Robert, On 01/03/11 15:22, Robert S. wrote: Diese 3 Dinge stimen in über 99% aller Fälle auch überein (Eine Bundesautobahn mit Zeichen 330, die mit der amtlichen Nummer beschildert ist), es gibt allerdings auch einige Stellen in Deutschland, wo das nicht alles übereinstimmt. Diese sind in OSM bisher uneinheitlich erfasst: Und das wird auch so bleiben. Wir muessen damit klar kommen, dass solche schwierigen Dinge von Leuten unterschiedlich bewertet und getaggt werden. Eine einheitliche Linie definieren zu wollen, ist fruchtlos, denn wir koennen die Objekte nicht vor Aenderungen schuetzen oder ein grosses Schild Achtung, bitte nur nach Studium dieser Richtlinien aendern dran pappen. Ich finde es kurzweilig, sich ueber solche Spezialfaelle Gedanken zu machen; die meisten haben ja eine interessante Geschichte. Wir muessen aber damit leben, dass die meisten Leute, die bei OSM mitarbeiten, von Strassenverkehrsrecht, Widmung etc. keine Ahnung haben. Die Herausforderung an uns nicht nicht, eindeutige Kataloge zu definieren, an die sich die anderen halten sollen - sondern damit klarzukommen, dass uneindeutige Situationen auch immer uneindeutig gemappt werden werden. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] AIO fehlt völlig
Hallo, On 12/30/10 14:00, fla...@googlemail.com wrote: Sehe das hier alös Notlösung an. Wenn ich selber mit dem System zufrieden bin gibts dazu einen Artikel im Blog. http://blog.openstreetmap.de/ Auf der englischsprachigen Talk-Liste wird auch schon gefragt, was denn mit der tollen AIO-Karte los sei... Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wo sind weiße Flecken?
Am 11. Dezember 2010 11:55 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Am Samstag 11 Dezember 2010, 11:04:33 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: m.E. am besten grundsätzlich highway=road taggen, da man damit sozusagen ein Fixme gleich mitliefert, und es immer mal Einschränkungen geben kann, z.B. Einbahnstraßen, Maxweight, etc., und ref und name ja sowieso fehlen dürften. Ein road ist in praktisch jeder OSM Karte als solches zu erkennen und lädt zum Verbessern ein. Allerdings bitte nicht für eindeutig Kfz-befahrbare Straßen. Dass wir in den betreffenden Orten keine Mapper haben, ist ja offensichtlich, sonst wären es keine weißen Flecken mehr, die Einladung zum Verbessern wird also keiner so leichterdings annehmen. Und wenn wir jetzt extra das alles per Luftbild erfassen, dann bitte auch so, dass man rudimentär damit navigieren kann. highway=road wird aus gutem Grund von den mir bekannten Routing-Anwendungen nicht benutzt, da es ja auch ein matschiger Waldweg sein kann. m.E. ist gerade das rudimentäre Navigieren ein Argument für highway=road. Irgendeine Straße/Weg ist da zwar, vermutlich kommt man irgendwie durch, drauf verlassen kann man sich allerdings nicht (könnte gesperrt, beschränkt zugänglich oder eine Einbahnstraße sein). Das ist ja gerade der Sinn von road. Wer also auch rudimentär mit quasi unerfassten Wegen (also welchen die nicht vor Ort begutachtet worden sind) navigieren will, der sollte highway=road in seinem Router eben aktivieren. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] AIO fehlt völlig
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Auf der englischsprachigen Talk-Liste wird auch schon gefragt, was denn mit der tollen AIO-Karte los sei... Mich würde mal der technische Hintergrund des Problem interessieren. Gruss Sven -- Trotz der zunehmenden Verbreitung von Linux erfreut sich der Bär, und - dank Knut - insbesondere der Eisbär, deutlich größerer Beliebtheit als der Pinguin. (Gefunden bei http://telepolis.de/) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Africa Routing Checks
Hallo Gary, noch eine kleine Korrektur. Für Nouakchott brauche ich Mauretanien. Mit Burkina Faso können wir gleich mal Ouagadougou prüfen. Gruß Dieter Jasper Am 03.01.2011 16:57, schrieb Gary68: hallo dieter. ok, die vier länder sind nun eingestellt. lasse es wöchentlich laufen. sollte immer so dienstags abends da sein. evtl. kannst du ja mal die eine oder andere aktion starten? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aktionen dann wird dir geholfen :-) ciao gerhard On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 14:00 +0100, dieter jasper wrote: Am 03.01.2011 13:23, schrieb Gary G:: hi, ich kann von cloudmate die poly files einzelner länder ziehen. damit ließe sich der aufwand deutlich reduzieren. nu habe ich mir - burkina faso - gabon - tunisia geholt. aber bamakos gibt es viele... welches land fehlt also? Bamako, Mali Gruß Dieter Jasper ich denke, so kann das wöchentlich laufen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Statistik
Am 21. Dezember 2010 10:53 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Hier auch! und hier erst Die habe ich jetzt als Spam unter Mappers near you herum liegen. Du kannst ja einen Spamfilter in den Rails Code einbauen: Mapper ohne Edits ausblenden :) das wäre in der Tat eine sinnvolle Verbesserung, sobald das einige mehr werden ist es regelrecht Arbeit, die Spreu vom Weizen zu trennen, und hindert einen durch das Limit auch daran, die etwas Aktiveren gleich zu finden (klar, es gibt noch andere Wege, und wer ne Menge macht, bleibt nicht lange unentdeckt, wäre aber trotzdem nett). Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Anmeldung Stand Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2011
Hallo, vergesst nicht die Anmeldung des Standes für die Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2011. Ist nur noch bis Mittwoch möglich. http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2011/ Dort unter Linux-Live zu finden. Danke, Jens -- Jens Poenisch, EMail: jens.poeni...@ruessel.in-chemnitz.de - Bisher haben die Astropsychologen noch nicht herausgefunden, woran die Elefanten denken. -- T. Pratchett -An Elefantinnen, meint OJe___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] AIO fehlt völlig
Ich bekomme das Skript, welches nicht von mir ist nicht zum laufen, verstehe auch nicht so ganz was es macht. Ab morgen wird es alternativ eine AIO-Europa-Karte geben aber NUR mit dem Basemap Layer. Die anderen Layer werden dann nach und nach (so wie ich es hinbekomme) hinzugefügt.Wenn jemand helfen möchte dann pse per persönlicher Mail/ am besten mit Festnetznummer melden. Lg Dirk Am 3. Januar 2011 17:34 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Auf der englischsprachigen Talk-Liste wird auch schon gefragt, was denn mit der tollen AIO-Karte los sei... Mich würde mal der technische Hintergrund des Problem interessieren. Gruss Sven -- Trotz der zunehmenden Verbreitung von Linux erfreut sich der Bär, und - dank Knut - insbesondere der Eisbär, deutlich größerer Beliebtheit als der Pinguin. (Gefunden bei http://telepolis.de/) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de -- Wikipedia -- http://tools.wikimedia.de/~flacus/IWLC/ OSM -- http://osm.flacus.de/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de