[talk-ph] Does the new iOS 6 Maps using OpenStreetMap for the Philippines?
The new iOS6 Maps is getting a lot of bad press recently. We all know they used an old OSM extract for the iPhoto app but is the new Maps app uses OSM? The closest screenshot I saw was this: http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/31930316525/not-sure-if-an-embassy-or-a-school In OSM we have the Indonesian Embassy but not as a school: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/255071587/history -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] SOTM 2012 videos and slides
Dear everyone, The slides and videos of SOTM2012 in Tokyo are now available in the wiki [0]. I recommend you watch Ikiya and Hameed's presentation on the very personal mapping stories they shared [1]. - Hameed is mapping Afghanistan and sometimes encounter IEDs along the way. - Ikiya is from Fukushima where he did mapping before and after the quake and tsunami. A good review of Ikiya's presentation by Alyssa is available in OpenGeo's blog [2]. There is also a funny and amusing talk by Tim Waters on OSM Addiction [3] which I'm sure some of you can relate to. The majority of the talks centered on the use of OSM in disaster and routing but what I like the most are the personal mapping stories. Personally, I had some amusing encounters during mapping (like being chased by 5 angry dogs, hiding my GPS to avoid the scrutiny of military checkpoints, being questioned by local tambays when taking geo-tag photos because they suspected me as an election officer documenting election poster violations during the campaign period) but nothing like encountering IEDs or exposure to nuclear radiation. [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2012 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2012/Thursday [2] http://blog.opengeo.org/2012/09/18/state-of-the-map-2012-tokyo/ [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2012/Saturday -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 50, Issue 20
Not sure how you define old or new but I downloaded the OSM app a few days ago for my iPhone that is in IOS5 and it shows my farm lot that I added about 6 to 9 months ago. On Sep 21, 2012, at 7:00 PM, talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send talk-ph mailing list submissions to talk-ph@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-ph-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of talk-ph digest... Today's Topics: 1. Does the new iOS 6 Maps using OpenStreetMap for the Philippines? (maning sambale) 2. SOTM 2012 videos and slides (maning sambale) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:55:07 +0800 From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-ph] Does the new iOS 6 Maps using OpenStreetMap for the Philippines? Message-ID: CAPzumuGiBsmJ+TpDSFPp=kowutrxux2qgxevh3cwnyxa5+5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The new iOS6 Maps is getting a lot of bad press recently. We all know they used an old OSM extract for the iPhoto app but is the new Maps app uses OSM? The closest screenshot I saw was this: http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/31930316525/not-sure-if-an-embassy-or-a-school In OSM we have the Indonesian Embassy but not as a school: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/255071587/history -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:27:34 +0800 From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 videos and slides Message-ID: capzumuekcaypvrxiqjmcggztcty-dqhneh0sx0tsypb9udg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear everyone, The slides and videos of SOTM2012 in Tokyo are now available in the wiki [0]. I recommend you watch Ikiya and Hameed's presentation on the very personal mapping stories they shared [1]. - Hameed is mapping Afghanistan and sometimes encounter IEDs along the way. - Ikiya is from Fukushima where he did mapping before and after the quake and tsunami. A good review of Ikiya's presentation by Alyssa is available in OpenGeo's blog [2]. There is also a funny and amusing talk by Tim Waters on OSM Addiction [3] which I'm sure some of you can relate to. The majority of the talks centered on the use of OSM in disaster and routing but what I like the most are the personal mapping stories. Personally, I had some amusing encounters during mapping (like being chased by 5 angry dogs, hiding my GPS to avoid the scrutiny of military checkpoints, being questioned by local tambays when taking geo-tag photos because they suspected me as an election officer documenting election poster violations during the campaign period) but nothing like encountering IEDs or exposure to nuclear radiation. [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2012 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2012/Thursday [2] http://blog.opengeo.org/2012/09/18/state-of-the-map-2012-tokyo/ [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2012/Saturday -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph End of talk-ph Digest, Vol 50, Issue 20 *** ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 50, Issue 20
Dear Frank, Are you using the new iOS6 Maps [0] application or another app with OSM? [0] http://www.apple.com/ios/maps/ On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Frank Woolf fr...@frankwoolf.com wrote: Not sure how you define old or new but I downloaded the OSM app a few days ago for my iPhone that is in IOS5 and it shows my farm lot that I added about 6 to 9 months ago. On Sep 21, 2012, at 7:00 PM, talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send talk-ph mailing list submissions to talk-ph@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-ph-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of talk-ph digest... Today's Topics: 1. Does the new iOS 6 Maps using OpenStreetMap for the Philippines? (maning sambale) 2. SOTM 2012 videos and slides (maning sambale) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:55:07 +0800 From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-ph] Does the new iOS 6 Maps using OpenStreetMap for the Philippines? Message-ID: CAPzumuGiBsmJ+TpDSFPp=kowutrxux2qgxevh3cwnyxa5+5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The new iOS6 Maps is getting a lot of bad press recently. We all know they used an old OSM extract for the iPhoto app but is the new Maps app uses OSM? The closest screenshot I saw was this: http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/31930316525/not-sure-if-an-embassy-or-a-school In OSM we have the Indonesian Embassy but not as a school: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/255071587/history -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:27:34 +0800 From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 videos and slides Message-ID: capzumuekcaypvrxiqjmcggztcty-dqhneh0sx0tsypb9udg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear everyone, The slides and videos of SOTM2012 in Tokyo are now available in the wiki [0]. I recommend you watch Ikiya and Hameed's presentation on the very personal mapping stories they shared [1]. - Hameed is mapping Afghanistan and sometimes encounter IEDs along the way. - Ikiya is from Fukushima where he did mapping before and after the quake and tsunami. A good review of Ikiya's presentation by Alyssa is available in OpenGeo's blog [2]. There is also a funny and amusing talk by Tim Waters on OSM Addiction [3] which I'm sure some of you can relate to. The majority of the talks centered on the use of OSM in disaster and routing but what I like the most are the personal mapping stories. Personally, I had some amusing encounters during mapping (like being chased by 5 angry dogs, hiding my GPS to avoid the scrutiny of military checkpoints, being questioned by local tambays when taking geo-tag photos because they suspected me as an election officer documenting election poster violations during the campaign period) but nothing like encountering IEDs or exposure to nuclear radiation. [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2012 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2012/Thursday [2] http://blog.opengeo.org/2012/09/18/state-of-the-map-2012-tokyo/ [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2012/Saturday -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph End of talk-ph Digest, Vol 50, Issue 20 *** ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list
Re: [talk-ph] Does the new iOS 6 Maps using OpenStreetMap for the Philippines?
just did an overnight upgrade. my area in qc is in disarray. i will get lost here :) not using OSM :) --- On Sep 21, 2012, at 3:55 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: The new iOS6 Maps is getting a lot of bad press recently. We all know they used an old OSM extract for the iPhoto app but is the new Maps app uses OSM? The closest screenshot I saw was this: http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/31930316525/not-sure-if-an-embassy-or-a-school In OSM we have the Indonesian Embassy but not as a school: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/255071587/history -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Does the new iOS 6 Maps using OpenStreetMap for the Philippines?
From what I read online they are using data from Tomtom. Here is the link I read: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/09/20/apple-map-app-problems.html?cmp=rss Michael On Sep 21, 2012, at 3:55 PM, maning sambale wrote: The new iOS6 Maps is getting a lot of bad press recently. We all know they used an old OSM extract for the iPhoto app but is the new Maps app uses OSM? The closest screenshot I saw was this: http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/31930316525/not-sure-if-an-embassy-or-a-school In OSM we have the Indonesian Embassy but not as a school: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/255071587/history -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph Michael J. Fast seats...@gmail.com South East Asian Theological Schools, Inc. discipling leaders • building nations ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] PV réunion du 12 septembre 2012
Hi, A little refresh... During your week-end, if you have some time to spent, please have a look at the PICC (http://cartocit1.wallonie.be/pw/index.jsp) and fill your ideas about the most importants subject we could import (not automatically!) in OSM ! You may write down your ideas there : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Contacts_with_local_autorities/Wallonia/Meeting_2012-09-26 If you are most interested in licences issues, we would like a list of licence odbl-compatible used in other countries/regions. Julien Le 17/09/12 23:36, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit : 2012/9/17 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com mailto:benlae...@gmail.com On Sunday 16 September 2012 21:12:14 Julien Fastré wrote: Bonjour, Vous trouverez le PV de la réunion du 12 septembre dernier sur le wiki : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities/2012-09-1 2-namur N'hésitez pas à le corriger si nécessaire. I see that the page mentions creating a ASBL/VZW, it should be noted that some discussion about that has happened in the past (see mailing list archives). It was decided at the time that we didn't need it yet, but a draft for the articles of association has already been made: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Chapter indeed. Thanks Ben. I remember this very well. And this is also the conclusion of the discussion we had last week in Namur. We concluded in details that 1/ as far as we could, we would like to work with the informal setup (aka this list and the wiki) that we have, mixing languages English, Dutch and French in a respectful manner, 2/ that is case an institution once ask for a more official representation body for OSM in Belgium, we would come back to the list to discuss the case, and possibly we would then need to consider the way to make it in the simplest and most efficient manner, probably taking into consideration the effective split of Belgium in 3 with respect to languages. But this is only for the hypothetical future. NP -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc - gsm : +32 496 24 55 01 Lepacte.be - « promouvoir les libertés numériques en Belgique » - hetpact.be http://hetpact.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] highway-tag per ongeluk verwijderd
Beste Jo, Dit heb ik aangepast :-). Het station en de 'veemarkt' zal een langdurig project worden en zal ik ook eens ter plaatsen moeten gaan bekijken. Groet, Joren Op 19/09/12 11:00, Jo schreef: Hallo Joren, Zou je eens naar lijnen 130 en 131 kunnen kijken. Ik heb het busstation van Lier wat meer gedetailleerd uitgewerkt, maar ik zie niet hoe bus 131 zijn weg verderzet naar het westen, nadat hij langs perron 8 gereden is. Waarschijnlijk is dat voor de andere richting, maar het is handiger als iemand ter plaatse kan gaan kijken. Wat de namen van de routes betreft, ik doe dat ook zo. Ik was het enkel vergeten te vermelden. Ook de via's moeten vaak worden omgedraaid. Groeten, Jo Op 13 september 2012 16:11 schreef Joren DC joren.libreoff...@telenet.be mailto:joren.libreoff...@telenet.be het volgende: Jo, Dupliceer de relatie en wissel from en to om in de kopie. Sluit de relation editor vensters. Wat is de conventie om bij 'name' te schrijven. Ik zet hier nu consistent formaat: 'De Lijn nummer from - to'. Als ik een lijn dupliceer om een route in de tegenovergestelde richting te maken, wijzig ik dus niet alleen tag 'from' en 'to', maar ook 'name'. Is dit correct? Kan dit beter? Vriendelijke groet, Joren ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Conférence «Vers une société numérique libre» de R. Stallman le jeudi 27 septembre 2012 à l’Université libre de Bruxelles
Cher ami, amie, connaissance, Je participe à l'organisation d'une conférence à laquelle je souhaite t'inviter car je considère que son thème est très important et son orateur de très grande qualité. Au plaisir de te voir, Nicolas Le BxLug http://bxlug.be, groupe bruxellois des utilisateurs de GNU/Linux et de logiciels libres, et lepacte.be, pacte des libertés numérique, en collaboration avec l’Université libre de Bruxelles http://ulb.ac.be(ULB), l'École nationale supérieure des arts visuels de La Cambre http://www.lacambre.be, l’École supérieure d’informatique http://heb.be/esi, les jeudis du librehttp://jeudisdulibre.be/, le BetaGroup http://coworking.betagroup.be/ et le soutien de la Fédération Wallonie-Bruxelles http://www.federation-wallonie-bruxelles.be/ et de la Commission communautaire française http://www.cocof.irisnet.be ont le plaisir de vous inviter ce *jeudi 27 septembre 2012 à 19 h 30* sur le campus du Solbosch, dans l’auditoire Khttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.8148mlon=4.3818zoom=18layers=Mde l'ULB, à assister à la conférence non technique, en français de Richard M Stallman http://www.gnu.org intitulée *Vers une société numérique libre* Dans cette conférence au titre clair, Richard Stallman développera ce thème très actuel : *Les efforts développés pour inciter les gens à utiliser les nouvelles technologies numériques sont réalisés sur la supposition que cette utilisation est invariablement une bonne chose. En jugeant par le seul aspect pratique immédiat, cela semble être le cas. Cependant, si on juge en termes de droits de l’homme, que cette entrée dans ce monde soit bonne ou mauvaise dépend du monde numérique dans lequel nous voulons être inclus. Si nous nous fixons cette inclusion comme objectif, il nous incombe de nous assurer que cela soit réalisé de la bonne manière.* Biographie Né en 1953, à Manhattan, le Dr Richard M. Stallman (RMS) a lancé le mouvement du logiciel libre en 1983 et a commencé le développement du système d’exploitation GNU (voir www.gnu.org) en 1984. GNU est un logiciel libre : tout le monde a la liberté de l’utiliser, de le copier et le redistribuer, avec ou sans modifications. Le système GNU/Linux, essentiellement le système d’exploitation GNU utilisant le noyau Linux, est aujourd’hui utilisé sur des dizaines de millions d’ordinateurs parmi lesquels des smartsphones, des supercalculateurs ... Richard Stallman, diplomé de l'université de Harvard, est un orateur hors pair, lauréat de nombreux prix exceptionnels comme une «bourse de génie» et plus de 8 diplômes de docteur honoris causa. Richard Stallman considère que le logiciel libre est à la périphérie des droits humains et, par conséquent, fait partie intégrante de l’écosystème de défense des libertés. ** Logistique Le *lieu* est : avenue Adolphe Buyl 87 à 1050 Bruxelles. Pour l'*affiche* en pdf et plus d'information : http://www.bxlug.be/rms2012 Pour l'*inscription* (optionnelle) : http://framadate.org/mrx4i83fc13jywkx(pour la logistique car l'auditoire de 800 places peut accueillir beaucoup de monde) De la documentation, des livres tels la biographie de Richard Stallman, et d'autres matériels seront disponibles avant et après la conférence. Merci de faire circuler ce message et inviter vos proches et amis, bref tous les utilisateurs de l'informatique et de l'internet que Mr Stallman a contribué à créer. -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc - gsm : +32 496 24 55 01 Lepacte.be - « promouvoir les libertés numériques en Belgique » - hetpact.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova
Hi Bekim, If nobody else gives you feedback I will do so next week. I am away at the moment. Regards, Michael Collinson On 20 Sep 2012, at 19:11, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Mike, Hopefully someone will send some feedback. Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I dont understand that myself, it seems a bit fuzzy to me but this is the right mailing list and I hope you will get some feedback, thanks mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Ok but I don't know how to go about and do that! That's my problem. Where is the starting point? I am ready to approve, sign, confirm anything required! Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Bekim, I have been working on understanding the new license even today. it is cc-by-sa + database rights (odbl) + the right for osm to change the licence at will in the future. basically you need to grant the osm the rights to use the data, Michael can give you more info about this, thanks, mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Gent's, Some days ago I noticed that all those detailed roads that were on OSM in Kosova were removed. Does anyone have any information, like when? why? were removed. I am about to contact OSM and any assistance and additional information is welcome! Best, Bekim -- about.me/bekim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups GIS Kosova group. To post to this group, send email to gis-kos...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to gis-kosova+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/gis-kosova?hl=en. -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova
Thanks Michael, I'll be waiting for your reply then. Best, Bekim On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Hi Bekim, If nobody else gives you feedback I will do so next week. I am away at the moment. Regards, Michael Collinson On 20 Sep 2012, at 19:11, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Mike, Hopefully someone will send some feedback. Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I dont understand that myself, it seems a bit fuzzy to me but this is the right mailing list and I hope you will get some feedback, thanks mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Ok but I don't know how to go about and do that! That's my problem. Where is the starting point? I am ready to approve, sign, confirm anything required! Best, Bekim On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Bekim, I have been working on understanding the new license even today. it is cc-by-sa + database rights (odbl) + the right for osm to change the licence at will in the future. basically you need to grant the osm the rights to use the data, Michael can give you more info about this, thanks, mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Gent's, Some days ago I noticed that all those detailed roads that were on OSM in Kosova were removed. Does anyone have any information, like when? why? were removed. I am about to contact OSM and any assistance and additional information is welcome! Best, Bekim -- about.me/bekim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups GIS Kosova group. To post to this group, send email to gis-kos...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to gis-kosova+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/gis-kosova?hl=en. -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 -- about.me/bekim -- about.me/bekim ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response
pavithran wrote: The new map replacement from apple in its IOS has drawn a lot of criticism . Just to correct the link ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/sep/20/apple-maps-ios6-station-tower and another read http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/sep/20/apple-google-maps-headache Begs the question - are any of the OSM routing options iPhone friendly? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Any OSM social activities in Europe in the next 2 weeks?
I'm about to leave for a 2 week trip to Europe and wondered if there were any local OSM gatherings I could drop in on. Our time isn't precisely planned out but here are the highlights. Obviously the arrival/departure dates are fixed. The other ones are subject to change. Budapest: Arriving here on the 23rd and staying for a few days. Innsbruck: Will probably be here over the weekend of the 29th/30th plus a few days Prague: We leave from here on October 6th, will probably arrive a day or two earlier. London: Spending the evening of the 6th before continuing home We will hit Vienna and probably Salzburg along the way but I'm not sure how long we will be there. Feel free to contact me off list with details. Or on the list if you want more exposure for your event! Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response
Some examples of the curiosities in ios6 maps: http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/ Greets, Floris On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:39 PM, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote: The new map replacement from apple in its IOS has drawn a lot of criticism . quote from http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/sep/20/apple-maps-ios6-station-towe Within minutes of the launch of the iOS6 operating system, which comes preloaded with Apple Maps, users were reporting that London had been relocated to Ontario, Paddington station had vanished, the Sears Tower in Chicago had shrunk, and Helsinki railway station had been turned into a park. /quote Having said that How much is it OSM data? There have been messages saying its the TomTom data but if you look at http://gspa21.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.html there is a line (OSM) OpenStreetMap contributors, http://www.openstreetmap.org/ Pretty confusing and sad to say that many of the comments were against the map app and suggesting that they would hardly accept anything other than google maps . Also note that it was just reported in IRC that 4chan got it in their heads that they could troll apple maps by editing OSM: http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/27736265 The OP and at least one user's edits have been reverted already but as always, keep an eye out for vandalism. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
2012/9/20 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: My own interest here is more historic than current and I was looking for the development of areas relating to my family tree, but there seems to be a general consensus that once an object ceases to exist it should be deleted from the database. there is not this general consensus in the community for completely removing former objects (but it might be a majority who doesn't want them, not sure). Have a look at abandoned and disused features, some historic features and also objects to be expected in the future (proposed and construction). Just a few days ago someone proposed on the German ML to agree on a standard way for tagging these by applying the status as a prefix (e.g. disused:amenity=pub). There is some well established objects that work differently though (railway=abandoned, etc.) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: My own interest here is more historic than current and I was looking for the development of areas relating to my family tree, but there seems to be a general consensus that once an object ceases to exist it should be deleted from the database. there is not this general consensus in the community for completely removing former objects (but it might be a majority who doesn't want them, not sure). Have a look at abandoned and disused features, some historic features and also objects to be expected in the future (proposed and construction). Just a few days ago someone proposed on the German ML to agree on a standard way for tagging these by applying the status as a prefix (e.g. disused:amenity=pub). There is some well established objects that work differently though (railway=abandoned, etc.) I am thinking that a second database 'layer' is the best way of handling some of this. I think that this also marries up with other historic data such as 'imports' which can then be retained in a compatible manor and used to process a new 'import' to provide difference reports at least. railway=abandoned is something of a grey area. The abandoned line over the road from here is still classified as active, so a bridge had to be built to accommodate electric running. Sounds silly perhaps, but the local steam preservation group have extended the line to Broadway, and have an option to extend to Honeybourne to connect to the 'main line' so had the 'abbandoned line' not been marked ... But the one thing I lobby for very strongly is that the correct 'start_date' is attached to an object. This is the one aspect of the recent confusion that has probably been overlooked. Having deleted existing buildings, the fact that they already exist has been lost, so there is no way to identify them from new buildings that only appear in the latest import ... With all the historic mapping now available we have the option to add historic dates to objects as well ... without interfering with anybody else? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response
On 9/21/2012 3:12 AM, Lester Caine wrote: Begs the question - are any of the OSM routing options iPhone friendly? GPS Nav/2 from Skobbler ($): Can do offline routing OpenTripPlanner for transit on the iPhone - I'm guessing about 2 months yet until a release http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/228865951/transit-app-for-ios-6-and-beyond/posts/311435 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response
2012/9/20 pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com: Having said that How much is it OSM data? That's a question I am also interested in. When the first preview of their maps became available it looked very much like OSM data to me in my area. The forests were taken from OSM, no doubt (same shape and coverage only where there is coverage in OSM, I am speaking for central Italy here, and other places might well be created from different sources). On the other hand I tried to find the typo of the florence dome in OSM data (Santa Maria del Fiore, in iOS maps Santa Maria dei Fiori) and couldn't find it (neither in the current geometry, nor in the deleted one): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43768260/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23298906/history (checked more, but none of them had the name in it) Didn't have a full-history at hand, but maybe someone who does could make a grep? First picture here shows a screenshot of this place in iOS: http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/ if you look at http://gspa21.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.html there is a line (OSM) OpenStreetMap contributors, http://www.openstreetmap.org/ Does this mean that all of those maps are now under OdbL? (At least, if they use up to date data only available under ODbL?) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance
Am 20.09.2012 22:38, schrieb Christian Rogel: So, as we have a DWG a making tremendous efforts for maintaining a good policy for the data (including the boring chase of proprietary ones), it may happen and it will happen more and more that a projected decision exceed the field of the data policy to jump into a political field. I believe one of the issues here is the categorization of the separate account requirement as political, when I suspect most would see it as a purely administrative/technical matter and the textual change as a clarification of existing policy well within the remit of the DWG. I would like to make it very clear that the policy is being applied evenly, there was for example a 50'000 man hole import in Germany (in one city nota bene) a couple of weeks ago that ran in to similar issues and caused a minor ruckus. In no way is the French community being singled out. The sheer volume of the cadastre import is simply making it more likely that there are more French mappers importing data at a such level that they will catch the attention of the DWG. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Any OSM social activities in Europe in the next 2 weeks?
Hello Toby, I'm about to leave for a 2 week trip to Europe and wondered if there were any local OSM gatherings I could drop in on. the only general hint that I can provide is to have a look at the calender in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Calendar A lot of regular meetings e.g. in Germany are listed there. Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: I believe one of the issues here is the categorization of the separate account requirement as political, when I suspect most would see it as a purely administrative/technical matter and the textual change as a clarification of existing policy well within the remit of the DWG. Here is the lack of understanding. Since the policy is not defined by technical reasons, nor by consensus, neither by The community (OSM is a sum of communities: local contributors, devs, admins, data consumers, etc), it is fixed by one or part of the communities participating to the project. At the end, it is really perceived as a pure administrative/political matter by (some) other communities. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
On jeudi 20 septembre 2012, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Hi, If the negative effects however affect other/different people - perhaps because they are using the API outside of specifications, or causing more work for people elsewhere in the project - then they can't. I can only fully agree with that. But it don't think the changes to the guidelines I'm proposing are not abeying to that obvious pre-requist. They are just not expressing it clearly because I'm only proposing to change the Mandatory dedicated account for imports and not the guidelines to constuct local guidelines which could be wrote in another paragraph. And this allready exist on chapter 8, 9 and 10 of the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines Which I am not proposing to change because those rules your are refering to should still be applied (and enforced) to all type of imports, even if some local community proposes otherwise, in which case, contact should me made with that community to tell it it is proposing invalid guidelines conflicting with general ones. Real life exemple : during the redaction bot, any types of import have been forbiden, and one french contributor got blocked because importing in this period even if the information was made available globally and locally by all means we (french community) could. The block is then perfectly justified, although we (french community) would have prefered to block him ourself, and sent him a french language message to explain why. There are very simple technical things. For example, assume that there was a French DWG dealing only with French cases; we don't have the means to set things up in a way that the French DWG can only block French users. imho, and without any offense, your view on that is too technicaly narrowed and based on a lack of trust. The technical feature blocking a user exists (no doubt about this ;-) ), what you are probably saying is that there is no technical way to narrow that right to block to a region ? Yet, the DWG group has this right ? why would you, and wouldn't I (or cquest) ? Because of this very lack of trust ! You don't have the technical mean to restrict, but you still have the means to do it : trust. Just ask him to restrict himself at blocking cadastre imports, in France, and I'm sure he will respect that. (Here I'm betting that by French users you meant users operating in France, because if not, we are in a deep disagreeing) We don't even have a proper definition of local communities Not proper, and not for all doesn't mean we don't have a far enough definition for at least the french community and we are discussing here. French community = people subscribe to talk-fr, participating in our forum or web site or members of our local fondation. So, what if a Toulouse mapper comes to OSMF and complains that OSMF-FR is unfairly suppressing Languedoc self-determination? What if local communities decide stuff that is considered harmful to the project as a whole by someone on the other side of the world? Who would adjudicate such a conflict? Can the world-wide community be called to a vote that is binding for France? Can the French community make a binding rule for Toulouse? How many is a community, anyway? Do they have to be incorporated? Do they have to be democratic? What if a national community - as has been the case in the past with some Eastern European national communities - takes a very liberal attitude towards copyright (the government web page says private use only but they never prosecuted anyone...)? Can a national community make a deal with a sponsor and allow the sponsor to carry the OSM logo? In here, you are only expressing a fear from the futur, from things that haven't yet happen and that might never happen. Come on ! Have trust in the future and our (the world community) ability to solve problems as they come. (And even more when my question, here, was returning back to rules that have been there for a long time. They might have prooved not enough, but not as bad as it is now for the french community) I think that your suggestion is too much like case law: There's a rule that leads to a result you don't like, and then you amend it with a little extra rule specifically for that purpose. You seam to forgot that, in the first place, someone from the DWG did exactly that : changed a recommandation into a law that the same group is enforcing because a result was what it liked What I'm doing, is proposing something that is between (therefore the amendment of a special rule) what was, and what DWG wants. Maybe because I'm used to it in France, but I suspect the case is the same elsewhere. Laws are made of a 1st version, and then dozen of amendments to counter it's bad effects we discover later, don't you think there is something good in it ? (In your case, you have built a regional limited import special rule into the separate import
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
Am 20.09.2012 13:43, schrieb sly (sylvain letuffe): which isolated processes ? You are the guy that requests that the French community is doing things different than the rest of the OSM-word. So you must answer your question by yourself... Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
On jeudi 20 septembre 2012, Lester Caine wrote: sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: The 'mechanisms' that we use MUST be managed centrally, What are you talking about ? What mechanisms are you refering to ? Simply the methods by which data is added to the database. There are several methods in play to make data includes in the database, and not only I think we don't MUST but we can't, that's pure utopia. My moving mouse clicing in JOSM is part of my method to enter data in the database, do you wish to manage my moving mouse centrally ? Sorry to play dumb, but if we want to discuss mechanisms in one and only rule : that won't work, so let's return to the one special class of mechanisms I was refering to : semi-manual imports, done with JOSM by one contributor, on a smaller scale than a country for wish the community of that country has described guidelines and has allowed not to use a dedicated account And all I am trying to understand now is why if we HAVE digital data to work with for which further versions will be provided over the coming decades someone has to manually check every line every year or so? I think this is off topic, even if related, but I'll be glad to explain for the case I know if you wish. Although, it was partially explained for the special case of the french import in the thread Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance for wich that question is also off topic. You can start a new topic like why are french importing from cadastre if every line as to me checked every year or more general for any import like : why are people importing data from other sources and I'll be glad to answer No, I'm not asking you to go away because you are bothering me, it just looks like you want more informations on what we do and why we do it with our french cadastre. But since this thread is allready a bit confused, I'll try to keep it focused on : Import guidelines proposal update This data was in the database, so only the changes needed to be posted, but a mistake was made. We learn from mistakes and so what I am trying to learn is if we could have HELPED by reducing the chance of the mistake? By providing tools that take advantage of the data and process it in a way that it is more useful ... in a format that is compatible with later importing to OSM. Every thing can be improved right ? To stay in topic, my point is that letting the local community have some final decision, and possibility to contact in his language, the owner of the offending changeset, not only will the error be better understood by the community, but the author is also less likely to close the OSM dors with frustration. Like it might well happen with this user after beeing blocked : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dd40cestmoi He went on our forum to present himself, to talk, to say he will ask questions, then was sent an english email and then blocked by pnorman and that guy never appeared again even to ask us why he couldn't edit. (maybe it's only temporary, but that guy let a terrible mess behing that he couldn't correct because he was blocked) I'll be contacting him soon to try to keep him (are we not a community ?) and aked him if he could clean the mess, or understand why it led to that mess. (For the rest, this is slightly off topic here imho, and this more a matter of how technically improve imports, and I guess the dev list is best suited) -- sly qui suis-je : http://sly.letuffe.org email perso : sylvain chez letuffe un point org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
Hi, On 09/21/12 14:12, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: No problems, let's discuss. But while we do talk about a future rule, the previous one should (I mean must) still apply until the new one is ready to replace it. This is not about one rule. This is about the whole question of rules and authority. No need to say what was the previous rule right ? You mean the previous rule as in yesterday? Half a year ago? Two years ago? Or back when we had nodes and segments in our data model ;) The current situation is that DWG does their job as they see fit and defines rules they think are necessary. For example: We do not have a rule in OSM that says you must use a changeset comment, and we don't have a rule that says you must reply when other mappers send you messages. It's good style to do it but there's no rule that you *must*. Creating rules for these situations would be awkward - it would raise all kinds of questions like what exactly counts as a reply and so on. And it would also sound like contributing to OSM was a major problem because there are so many rules. So we don't have any. However, every once in a while DWG gets a complaint about a particular user making lots of edits that are questionable. Not outright vandalism or edit warring, but something exotic enough to make other mappers in the area uneasy. The other mappers watch the user in question but it is hard to watch him because all his changeset comments are just small fixes. The other mappers try to contact the user but he never replies. In cases like this, I have occasionally told the mapper in question that OSM is a teamwork project, and that he must be a teamplayer and communicate with his peers, else we cannot use his work even if it is good. I have occasionally had to put a block on people like that in order to get them to reply at all. Now there's no written rule for this. If the guy started a thread on the talk list about where is it written that you need to respond to emails? I would not even be able to point to a wiki page - it's simply something that we take for granted. The separate account rule is just such a rule, that DWG has created to do their job. I will not continue discussing this: As long as DWG have to clean up the mess they will make the rules governing imports and mechanical edits. Exceptions from the rules can be negotiated with DWG in advance if someone thinks they really need one. I say as long as... because the subsidiarity I mentioned in my post is a real possibility; if the French community has a couple of willing and capable people maybe we could experiment with setting up a sub-DWG responsible for France only. Maybe we should just try it out and see if it improves the situation. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: As long as DWG have to clean up the mess they will make the rules governing imports and mechanical edits. Exceptions from the rules can be negotiated with DWG in advance if someone thinks they really need one. Thanks Frederik for this clear statement. This is also different from the previous replies from the DWG where it was just said The DWG follows the guidelines defined by the community.. It is also clear that the French community never went to the DWG asking them to clean up the French cadastre mess. This is something we already did ourselves in the past. As already said, we still need the DWG to block someone when required. And this is also something we did in the past and will continue to do. I say as long as... because the subsidiarity I mentioned in my post is a real possibility; if the French community has a couple of willing and capable people maybe we could experiment with setting up a sub-DWG responsible for France only. Maybe we should just try it out and see if it improves the situation. Very happy to see some progress here. We have Christian who already applied for this role but we don't know if he received some answer so far. Another thread showed that recruiting a DWG member works by co-optation. Perhaps for some unknow reasons, you don't want him for this try in which case, you could select another one or we can call for other applicants. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
On 20 September 2012 08:02, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: I'm mostly a lurker in these discussions, and generally more pro-import than many who participate in import decisions. But I find the 'separate account for import' to be an utterly reasonable (along with the rest of the guidlines), easy to follow rule, and I am boggled by the objections to it. I haven't followed all of this thread, but here's my experience with this rule or recommendation. First of all setting the username through which you're uploading your edit is such a small issue that it doesn't really matter for the person uploading. But then I don't see it as solving any problem compared to source= tagging either on objects being uploaded, or changeset (often the granularity provided by tagging entire changesets is completely unpractical and would result in more than 50% false positives). Secondly I don't see it as an overwhelming trend currently in OSM. Thirdly it introduces the problem of how many import accounts to use, what to name them and potential anonymity of the person uploading the changes if the account name doesn't contain their nickname. In the Spanish community there has been a strong will to follow all the import guidelines when the Corine Land Cover dataset was being discussed, analysed and prepared for importing. The import guidelines wiki page gave everyone the idea that it would be best to use a single collective account with the same login details used by all the people participating. It's now obvious that this wasn't a good idea because it was difficult to contact the person who did the actual work in case there was a need for discussion, on top of that there's the practical problem of sharing login details. As with most imports there's days or weeks (sometimes months) of manual processing that needs to be done before data is ready for upload to OSM, and this is done by a real person. I think the whole point of having accounts in OSM is for the people uploading their work to be easily contactable. Fast forward two years and the current (lasting for about a year now) Spanish cadastre discussions and import attempts have an even stronger push to follow all the import guidelines because the DWG has blocked these import attempts on various occasions (which from my point of view is continuing to damage OSM in Spain because mappers are left in a limbo -- there's no point drawing building outlines in their towns from imagery if they have a better source at hand). Well, this time a single import account has been registered per province with a single person coordinating the (potential) imports in each province. The assignments have been documented on the wiki. This is better but the account names are still not directly linked with real people, and the division by provinces is artificial because the data was supposed to be uploaded by users only for the areas they know personally, which may be on village level for example. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
On vendredi 21 septembre 2012, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Hi again, This is not about one rule. This is about the whole question of rules and authority. No problems, let's also talk about rules and authority. But we (french community) are facing one problem right now, not problems, one problem, and this problem appeared one month ago. Are you asking us to let go with the only reason that this will probably, one day, be solved by a new document we are secretly discussing so please wait ? and accept, that, during all this discussion M. Norman (from who I have much respect for his volounteer work of tracking and stopping vandalism) is still blocking users of our community : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/248 because that poor guy doesn't read english, was following what we've always done. With, I admit an terrible error that will also be detected by our own radars and that I have starting to discuss the issues with him ? No.. maybe too late.. that guy might be gone because the DWG doesn't played it nice with him. Have we lost a vandal ? have we lost a member ? I couldn't tell, nor the DWG can. Is that building communities ? No need to say what was the previous rule right ? You mean the previous rule as in yesterday? Half a year ago? Two years ago? Or back when we had nodes and segments in our data model ;) Nice try ;-) But I said previous and rule. We now have a de facto rule about a mandatory second import account right ? because if we don't comply, we are blocked, I call this a rule. What we had to that *previous* rule about mandatory second import account ? Nothing, we had nothing because it wasn't a rule but a strong recommandation. Therefore, the previous rule to that is no rules. No matter how far you go back, dinosaures didn't have any special rules about mandatory import accounts. The current situation is that DWG does their job as they see fit and defines rules they think are necessary. I've seen that. And I do think I understand why it is so : volonteers, lack of time, no time for talking and lack of massive complaints. Therefore, a quick law was created so that vandals won't argue they haven't been warn and make it faster for quick unarguing bans with as a result, limited numbers of imports, wich means less radar alerts over the xk nodes barrier. That it is enough as a first step if complaints are low, because you are probably facing a vandal arguing for himself. We are not in this case, we have found what we considere a little flaw in this procedure and a large part of a community has confirmed that. Your missing volonteers ? we have As it been proven that accepting the amendment I'm proposing causes harm to the project ? no what's left ? I have no other clue than maybe pride forcing the DWG not to accept a step back. So we don't have any. (rules) Forcing someone to do something arguing there is a text somewhere that says so is a rule, or we have missunderstandings... And I don't argue against all rules, of course not ! we need rules. Blocking a mass good data deleting user is good, and should be written as a rule, and enforce as such. Now there's no written rule for this. If the guy started a thread on the talk list about where is it written that you need to respond to emails? I would not even be able to point to a wiki page - it's simply something that we take for granted. I do agree that we need flexibilty above rules (that's what judges do), and accept that it may have some collateral dommage sometimes. But what if 50 people comes to you saying that responding to emails is not writent anywhere ? will you still ignore them and continue answering and loosing time ? Well I guess no, time for rules. Accepted rules of course. The separate account rule is just such a rule, that DWG has created to do their job. I will not continue discussing this: As long as DWG have to clean up the mess they will make the rules governing imports and mechanical edits. Exceptions from the rules can be negotiated with DWG in advance if someone thinks they really need one. You don't want to discuss that ? If the core of the problem is that the DWG has no time to clean up the mess, therefore is creating rules. That's where we should work. What mess ? the data mess ? I say as long as... because the subsidiarity I mentioned in my post is a real possibility; if the French community has a couple of willing and capable people maybe we could experiment with setting up a sub-DWG responsible for France only. Maybe we should just try it out and see if it improves the situation. Good ! let's try. What we have to lose by trying ? some complaining users having been blocked because they have done bad imports without respect of general guidelines and france's cadastre special guidelines ? That shouldn't change much from now ;-) beside understanding why they've been blocked... -- sly qui suis-je : http://sly.letuffe.org email
Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response
On 21 September 2012 16:09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean that all of those maps are now under OdbL? (At least, if they use up to date data only available under ODbL?) That raises some interesting questions because ODBL planet was available only recently , Did apple wait till last minute to get them ? Or are they mixing the old planet(CC by SA) with new datasets(ODBL) ? Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/248 because that poor guy doesn't read english, was following what we've always done. Hang on - they've been editing since 5th September, it's just over two weeks later; their changeset 13180810 contains 21976 nodes and they've imported some buildings in error 4 times? Surely they're exactly the sort of person who needs to be told whoa horsey! and given a suggestion that they have a chat with someone in the local community? Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
2012-09-20 Frederik Ramm However, every once in a while DWG gets a complaint about a particular user making lots of edits that are questionable. Not outright vandalism or edit warring, but something exotic enough to make other mappers in the area uneasy. The other mappers watch the user in question but it is hard to watch him because all his changeset comments are just small fixes. The other mappers try to contact the user but he never replies. In cases like this, I have occasionally told the mapper in question that OSM is a teamwork project, and that he must be a teamplayer and communicate with his peers, else we cannot use his work even if it is good. I have occasionally had to put a block on people like that in order to get them to reply at all. This is not only a question of guidelines. And the DWG role is more of last intervention when the community was not able to discuss with mappers and correct the situation. The DWG work would be facilitated if communications were developped with local communities and first contacts made by these local communities. This would also contribute to develop more experienced and responsible mappers. To my point of view, it is essential to favorize development of local communities, to empower these communities with tools adapted to them. Pierre De : Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org À : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 21 septembre 2012 9h40 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update Hi, On 09/21/12 14:12, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: No problems, let's discuss. But while we do talk about a future rule, the previous one should (I mean must) still apply until the new one is ready to replace it. This is not about one rule. This is about the whole question of rules and authority. No need to say what was the previous rule right ? You mean the previous rule as in yesterday? Half a year ago? Two years ago? Or back when we had nodes and segments in our data model ;) The current situation is that DWG does their job as they see fit and defines rules they think are necessary. For example: We do not have a rule in OSM that says you must use a changeset comment, and we don't have a rule that says you must reply when other mappers send you messages. It's good style to do it but there's no rule that you *must*. Creating rules for these situations would be awkward - it would raise all kinds of questions like what exactly counts as a reply and so on. And it would also sound like contributing to OSM was a major problem because there are so many rules. So we don't have any. However, every once in a while DWG gets a complaint about a particular user making lots of edits that are questionable. Not outright vandalism or edit warring, but something exotic enough to make other mappers in the area uneasy. The other mappers watch the user in question but it is hard to watch him because all his changeset comments are just small fixes. The other mappers try to contact the user but he never replies. In cases like this, I have occasionally told the mapper in question that OSM is a teamwork project, and that he must be a teamplayer and communicate with his peers, else we cannot use his work even if it is good. I have occasionally had to put a block on people like that in order to get them to reply at all. Now there's no written rule for this. If the guy started a thread on the talk list about where is it written that you need to respond to emails? I would not even be able to point to a wiki page - it's simply something that we take for granted. The separate account rule is just such a rule, that DWG has created to do their job. I will not continue discussing this: As long as DWG have to clean up the mess they will make the rules governing imports and mechanical edits. Exceptions from the rules can be negotiated with DWG in advance if someone thinks they really need one. I say as long as... because the subsidiarity I mentioned in my post is a real possibility; if the French community has a couple of willing and capable people maybe we could experiment with setting up a sub-DWG responsible for France only. Maybe we should just try it out and see if it improves the situation. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote: That raises some interesting questions because ODBL planet was available only recently , Did apple wait till last minute to get them ? Or are they mixing the old planet(CC by SA) with new datasets(ODBL) They'll never say. They're a closed shop. If 4chan wants to troll Apple; stop buying their stuff. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
On vendredi 21 septembre 2012, SomeoneElse wrote: sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/248 because that poor guy doesn't read english, was following what we've always done. Surely they're exactly the sort of person who needs to be told whoa horsey! and given a suggestion that they have a chat with someone in the local community? I totally agree, and that's what I've done today (In a language I'm sure he understand because we allready spoke on our forum) But more than that, I've asked him why he has done it this way, what exactly happen, what procedure he has followed and if he needs help to sort the mess. Not only will this, hopefully, convince him not to leave but will also help our community to improve our documentation, our guidelines, our integration procedure... or to sharpen our blades (kind of joking as it needs to be the last resort) -- sly qui suis-je : http://sly.letuffe.org email perso : sylvain chez letuffe un point org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response
Question: I don't have iOS6 here. Is the map data the same as shown on http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/ ? (Choose Apple iPhoto on the combobox) On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote: That raises some interesting questions because ODBL planet was available only recently , Did apple wait till last minute to get them ? Or are they mixing the old planet(CC by SA) with new datasets(ODBL) They'll never say. They're a closed shop. If 4chan wants to troll Apple; stop buying their stuff. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector
I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more potential coastline errors in the new Questionable category. Questionable shows coastline rings with possible problems. There are several different kinds of problems that are shown in this way: a) Coastline rings that touch other coastline rings in a single point. Those should probably be fixed. b) Coastline rings having the wrong direction. Those should be fixed. c) Smaller water areas inside a continent. Those should probably be changed to use natural=water or similar tags. Use your judgement in all these cases! See http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=coastline Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector
2010-09-21 Jochen Topf I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more potential coastline errors in the new Questionable category. Jochen, it is a nice addition. Looking at the map, I see all of America coastline being tagged with Invalid geometry. Invalid geometry definition : Invalid for some unspecified reasons. This is never supposed to happen and must be fixed. This definition is ambiguous to me. Do you mean that we should not see this error or that we have to fix something. Other then that, with such a long coastline, it is difficult to detect where the error is. Pierre De : Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org À : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 21 septembre 2012 14h52 Objet : [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more potential coastline errors in the new Questionable category. Questionable shows coastline rings with possible problems. There are several different kinds of problems that are shown in this way: a) Coastline rings that touch other coastline rings in a single point. Those should probably be fixed. b) Coastline rings having the wrong direction. Those should be fixed. c) Smaller water areas inside a continent. Those should probably be changed to use natural=water or similar tags. Use your judgement in all these cases! See http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=coastline Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:50:03PM +0100, Pierre Béland wrote: 2010-09-21 Jochen Topf I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more potential coastline errors in the new Questionable category. Jochen, it is a nice addition. Looking at the map, I see all of America coastline being tagged with Invalid geometry. Invalid geometry definition : Invalid for some unspecified reasons. This is never supposed to happen and must be fixed. This definition is ambiguous to me. Do you mean that we should not see this error or that we have to fix something. Other then that, with such a long coastline, it is difficult to detect where the error is. This is described a bit better on the wiki page for this view at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/Views/Coastline I changed the short message to be a bit more helpful: Geometry is invalid for some unspecified reason. Fix all other errors shown and this should go away. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector
2012-09-21 Jochen Topf pb Invalid geometry definition : Invalid for some unspecified reasons. This is never supposed to happen and must be fixed. pb This definition is ambiguous to me. Do you mean that we should not see this error or that we have to fix something. This is described a bit better on the wiki page for this view at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/Views/Coastline I changed the short message to be a bit more helpful: Geometry is invalid for some unspecified reason. Fix all other errors shown and this should go away. Jochen, looking more deeply without showing lines, I found that the problem arises north of Long Island New-York where we see Intersection nodes. In fact, i see two coaslines polygons crossing one over the other. Thanks a lot for this. Pierre De : Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org À : Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 21 septembre 2012 16h00 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:50:03PM +0100, Pierre Béland wrote: 2010-09-21 Jochen Topf I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more potential coastline errors in the new Questionable category. Jochen, it is a nice addition. Looking at the map, I see all of America coastline being tagged with Invalid geometry. Invalid geometry definition : Invalid for some unspecified reasons. This is never supposed to happen and must be fixed. This definition is ambiguous to me. Do you mean that we should not see this error or that we have to fix something. Other then that, with such a long coastline, it is difficult to detect where the error is. This is described a bit better on the wiki page for this view at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector/Views/Coastline I changed the short message to be a bit more helpful: Geometry is invalid for some unspecified reason. Fix all other errors shown and this should go away. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more potential coastline errors in the new Questionable category. Very nice. Thank you for this. The questionable category is pointing out some reversed coastline ways on islands in the great lakes. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
andrzej zaborowski wrote: Well, this time a single import account has been registered per province with a single person coordinating the (potential) imports in each province. The assignments have been documented on the wiki. This is better but the account names are still not directly linked with real people, and the division by provinces is artificial because the data was supposed to be uploaded by users only for the areas they know personally, which may be on village level for example. To my eyes that provides a perfect base to work from, but if you have not been following the thread ... What I have been asking is how we can manage on-going imports of a dataset that is being updated regularly. This is probably on 'off-line' function, and could well be managed by the 'local chapter' on their own computers. This is the 'process' I'm looking to be developed, so that the raw import data is held in a format that later imports can be compared against, and only differences then get further procession. Breaking this process down into provinces, and importing the pre-processed RAW data via an import account gives us a clean base which mappers can then work against and improve the data ... and changes to the 'imported' data would then be mirrored back to the staging process. Seeing that an element is version 1 by the import user immediately tells you that it may need additional local information adding ( we need to be able to see who last edited an object! ). Where the import HAS nice unique object identifiers things are a lot easier, but raw vector data like the French import, and I think the Spanish data you are talking about CAN still be 'diffed' against earlier imports, and result in perhaps new data that can simply be imported, or perhaps an overlay that identifies conflicts that need a human eye. Isn't it better to spend time working out a GOOD way of using the data going forward rather than having to manually merge the whole lot again in a couple of years time ... and every couple of years. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
From: sly (sylvain letuffe) [mailto:li...@letuffe.org] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 7:41 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update On vendredi 21 septembre 2012, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Hi again, This is not about one rule. This is about the whole question of rules and authority. No problems, let's also talk about rules and authority. But we (french community) are facing one problem right now, not problems, one problem, and this problem appeared one month ago. Are you asking us to let go with the only reason that this will probably, one day, be solved by a new document we are secretly discussing so please wait ? and accept, that, during all this discussion M. Norman (from who I have much respect for his volounteer work of tracking and stopping vandalism) is still blocking users of our community : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/248 because that poor guy doesn't read english, was following what we've always done. With, I admit an terrible error that will also be detected by our own radars and that I have starting to discuss the issues with him ? A 0-hour block is largely placed to make sure that the message is read. They go away when someone logs in and reads the message. If you can suggest an email that I can cc initial messages to for follow up I could do so. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Schedule for State Of The Map US is live
Hi all, The schedule for State Of The Map US, Portland OR, Oct 13-14 is live now on the web site! http://stateofthemap.us/ It is going to be a jam packed couple of days with tracks covering Switching to OSM, Cartography, Editors, Communities and pretty much everything in between. So if you were waiting for the schedule to register, don't delay any longer. Tickets are going pretty fast now. And for those of you who weren't so sure if SOTM US would have something in store for them, I hope a look at the schedule will change your mind! See you in Portland in three weeks! -- martijn van exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
2012-09-21 Lester Caine What I have been asking is how we can manage on-going imports of a dataset that is being updated regularly. This is probably on 'off-line' function, and could well be managed by the 'local chapter' on their own computers. This is the 'process' I'm looking to be developed, so that the raw import data is held in a format that later imports can be compared against, and only differences then get further procession. Breaking this process down into provinces, and importing the pre-processed RAW data via an import account gives us a clean base which mappers can then work against and improve the data ... and changes to the 'imported' data would then be mirrored back to the staging process. Seeing that an element is version 1 by the import user immediately tells you that it may need additional local information adding ( we need to be able to see who last edited an object! ). Where the import HAS nice unique object identifiers things are a lot easier, but raw vector data like the French import, and I think the Spanish data you are talking about CAN still be 'diffed' against earlier imports, and result in perhaps new data that can simply be imported, or perhaps an overlay that identifies conflicts that need a human eye. Isn't it better to spend time working out a GOOD way of using the data going forward rather than having to manually merge the whole lot again in a couple of years time ... and every couple of years. In Canada, Natural Ressources Canada, the national mapping agency is collaborating with OSM, producing OSM import files from is topographic database Canvec. The OSM collaborators are following a procedure to carefully integrate this data into OSM. NRCan compared recently Osm and Canvec data for planning road network update field work for Canvec. They also provided this helpful information to the OSM community with detected differences. see http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2012-July/004934.html I think that this shows that even without an unique ID, it is possible to develop monitoring tools of imports. The fixme attribute is used to monitor differences between the two databases. The Fixme Highlight Warnings style, in JOSM, offers the possibility to monitor database discrepancies. Pierre De : Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk À : OSM talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 21 septembre 2012 17h33 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update andrzej zaborowski wrote: Well, this time a single import account has been registered per province with a single person coordinating the (potential) imports in each province. The assignments have been documented on the wiki. This is better but the account names are still not directly linked with real people, and the division by provinces is artificial because the data was supposed to be uploaded by users only for the areas they know personally, which may be on village level for example. To my eyes that provides a perfect base to work from, but if you have not been following the thread ... What I have been asking is how we can manage on-going imports of a dataset that is being updated regularly. This is probably on 'off-line' function, and could well be managed by the 'local chapter' on their own computers. This is the 'process' I'm looking to be developed, so that the raw import data is held in a format that later imports can be compared against, and only differences then get further procession. Breaking this process down into provinces, and importing the pre-processed RAW data via an import account gives us a clean base which mappers can then work against and improve the data ... and changes to the 'imported' data would then be mirrored back to the staging process. Seeing that an element is version 1 by the import user immediately tells you that it may need additional local information adding ( we need to be able to see who last edited an object! ). Where the import HAS nice unique object identifiers things are a lot easier, but raw vector data like the French import, and I think the Spanish data you are talking about CAN still be 'diffed' against earlier imports, and result in perhaps new data that can simply be imported, or perhaps an overlay that identifies conflicts that need a human eye. Isn't it better to spend time working out a GOOD way of using the data going forward rather than having to manually merge the whole lot again in a couple of years time ... and every couple of years. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Schedule for State Of The Map US is live
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, The schedule for State Of The Map US, Portland OR, Oct 13-14 is live now on the web site! http://stateofthemap.us/ It is going to be a jam packed couple of days with tracks covering Switching to OSM, Cartography, Editors, Communities and pretty much everything in between. So if you were waiting for the schedule to register, don't delay any longer. Tickets are going pretty fast now. And for those of you who weren't so sure if SOTM US would have something in store for them, I hope a look at the schedule will change your mind! See you in Portland in three weeks! On the topic of SOTM US, I just saw this edit to the wiki page[1] earlier today: We're looking for volunteers to help at the conference with registration, video recording (especially if you have equipment!), and session moderation. We'll comp registration costs for everyone who volunteers for two or more shifts. If you'd like to help, email Bonnie Bogle at sotm...@mapbox.com. So if cost is a barrier to coming, jump on this! [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SOTM_US Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response
2012/9/21 Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com: Question: I don't have iOS6 here. Is the map data the same as shown on http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/ ? (Choose Apple iPhoto on the combobox) no, it is different. In the meantime I could take a look and there doesn't seem to be OSM data in this map, at least from the copyright notice it seems as if it is mostly Tomtom data. Didn't find a hint for osm data in it so far. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response
On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 01:10 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/9/21 Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com: Question: I don't have iOS6 here. Is the map data the same as shown on http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/ ? (Choose Apple iPhoto on the combobox) no, it is different. In the meantime I could take a look and there doesn't seem to be OSM data in this map, at least from the copyright notice it seems as if it is mostly Tomtom data. Didn't find a hint for osm data in it so far. Barmaid had it on her iPhone tonight. It didn't look like OSM to me when I looked at areas I have mapped. Also a oneway error on OSM, reported on mapdust wasn't there. I am planning to fix this when I can survey to verify. Phil (trig222) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update
From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update who last edited an object! ). Where the import HAS nice unique object identifiers things are a lot easier, but raw vector data like the French import, and I think the Spanish data you are talking about CAN still be 'diffed' against earlier imports, and result in perhaps new data that can simply be imported, or perhaps an overlay that identifies conflicts that need a human eye. Isn't it better to spend time working out a GOOD way of using the data going forward rather than having to manually merge the whole lot again in a couple of years time ... and every couple of years. My thoughts on how to handle this for data with persistent unique identifiers without adding those as tags is to a. Record the correspondence between source ID and temporary pre-upload negative OSM ID b. Record the correspondence between pre-upload negative OSM ID and OSM ID c. Combine for a correspondence between source ID and OSM ID, and save this d. When updating, identify objects that have changed or been added to the source e. For changed or deleted objects if the OSM object was last edited by the importer's import account, upload a new version reflecting the changes. Objects that have been edited by a person will require manual intervention, like now f. Handle new objects like before g. Identify objects deleted in OSM and check these, then submit corrections to the source. The one case this doesn't handle very well is POIs that have been changed from a node into a way. I'm going to be working on implementing this in a limited way for updating addresses locally. Addresses are different because the address should be unique in the city. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: Gebruikersvoorwaarden BAG niet meer van toepassing
On 2012-09-19 12:14, Minko wrote: En zouden die techneuten dat evt ook op het forum willen delen, of is dat teveel gevraagd? Zie http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=274222#p274222 Op de volgende eenvoudige manier kan ik de woonplaatsen er uit halen: cat _*WPL*xml|sed -e 's//\n/g'|grep woonplaatsNaam|sed -e 's/bag_LVC:woonplaatsNaam//'|sed -e 's/\/bag_LVC:woonplaatsNaam//'|sed -e s/apos;/'/g|sed -e 's/#226;/â/g'|sed -e 's/#235;/ë/g'|sed -e 's/#251;/û/g'|sort|uniq Maar hoe is te zien of het om een gemeente, woonplaats of buurtschap gaat? Kan ik dan beter met osmosis aan de slag gaan? ZMW schreef: Is een een techneut die deze BAG data als transparant layer voor JOSM beschikbaar kan stellen? ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OpenStreetMap presentatie bij Den Bosch Linux Users Group?
Beste Emilien, Henk Hoffman, alias ToffeHoff zou your men moeten zijn. Guts, Knowledge and Entertainment. Stuur hem een PMmetje. Met vriendelijke groeten Robert Elsenaar Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com schreef: Ik heb wel zin, maar niet echt ervaring met presentaties geven, zeker niet over OSM. En het scheelt natuurlijk een stuk dat ik zelf ook uit Den Bosch kom. André 2012/9/20 Emilien Klein emilien+...@klein.st: Hoi NL mappers, De Den Bosch Linux Users Group is op zoek naar een enthousiaste OSMmapper die ons graag een presentatie zou willen geven over OpenStreetMap! Dit is een leuke opportuniteit om OSM breder te laten kennen, en om eventuele toekomstige mappers in dit project geïnteresseerd te krijgen. Heeft een van jullie zin om dit te doen? Neem dan contact met mij op. Ook al ben jij niet van de presentatie-gever type maar heb je wel interesse om zo'n presentatie mee te maken, en jou motivatie en ideeën met ons te delen, laat het mij weten zo dat ik jou op de hoogte kan houden wanneer dit plaats zal nemen. Over de dbLUG: Wij komen elke eerste dinsdag van de maand samen in Den Bosch [0]. Toegang is voor iedereen gratis. Meer informatie: http://lug.project073.nl/ en http://www.meetup.com/project073/ Groeten, +Emilien http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Emilien [0] Knoflook (Vereniging Ontspoord), Havendijk 3, 's-Hertogenbosch ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: Gebruikersvoorwaarden BAG niet meer van toepassing
Een nettere manier om de woonplaatsnamen er uit te halen is met xslt. Ik heb een .xslt bestandje bijgevoegd waarmee je eenvoudig een csv bestandje kan maken met woonplaats codes en namen. Instructies voor het gebruik staan in het bestandje. Gertjan On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 13:20 +0200, Pander wrote: On 2012-09-19 12:14, Minko wrote: En zouden die techneuten dat evt ook op het forum willen delen, of is dat teveel gevraagd? Zie http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=274222#p274222 Op de volgende eenvoudige manier kan ik de woonplaatsen er uit halen: cat _*WPL*xml|sed -e 's//\n/g'|grep woonplaatsNaam|sed -e 's/bag_LVC:woonplaatsNaam//'|sed -e 's/\/bag_LVC:woonplaatsNaam//'|sed -e s/apos;/'/g|sed -e 's/#226;/â/g'|sed -e 's/#235;/ë/g'|sed -e 's/#251;/û/g'|sort|uniq Maar hoe is te zien of het om een gemeente, woonplaats of buurtschap gaat? Kan ik dan beter met osmosis aan de slag gaan? ZMW schreef: Is een een techneut die deze BAG data als transparant layer voor JOSM beschikbaar kan stellen? ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl woonplaatsen.xslt Description: application/xslt ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets
On 20/09/12 22:30, Stephen Hope wrote: I'm not saying that a mini-roundabout isn't a roundabout, it is, and all the normal signs and laws apply. What it also is, however, is traversable. If you have a vehicle that cannot go around it, because it is too large, then you're allowed to go over it. No, a mini-roundabout can be traversed by ANY vehicle legally and this is not the case in Australia. You can only do so where impracticable for the vehicle. I'd be just a happy to use a normal roundabout way, and mark it as traversable with traversable=yes. Traversable could have values like yes/no/semi (for those ones that have a traversable skirt but a raised centre plinth). However, when I suggested that on the talk list a while Agree. Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets
On 20/09/12 22:41, Ross Scanlon wrote: No, a mini-roundabout can be traversed by ANY vehicle legally and this is not the case in Australia. You can only do so where impracticable for the vehicle. That bit about ANY vehicle is not part of the current definition of a mini_roundabout in OSM. A mini-roundabout is a one-way street with right-of-way and a traversable center island. In particular, large vehicles are allowed to drive across the center island if otherwise not possible due to their dimensions, i.e. it might be impossible for a large vehicle to drive through a roundabout but possible to drive through a mini-roundabout with the same dimensions. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundabout#Possible_misinterpretations John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] National borders
Hi, finally I got the process sorted out to generate a border from natural=coastline, natural=reef and the baseline segments. The resulting osm-file can be found at [1]. Using the dataset I also updated the picture from the post below to show the differences [2]. It doesn't look that bad everywhere but especially along the Queensland coast that's not the only place like this. So no my question is how we should move on from here. I see different options: - Upload the dataset as is - Try to get it better e.g. by * manually by adding baseline segments (close bays, low water) * do a more accurate buffer computation * trace more reefs from Bing * ... - dump the idea and look for a better one - ... BTW this time I've taken notes so if anyone is interested I could share the process I've used. The processing hasn't been too acurate given the limitations of the data. Especially I used a buffer of 0.2 degrees instead of exactly 12 nautical miles so the distance is always a bit too short. Michael - [1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3882550/OSM/NationalBorder.osm.bz2 [2] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3882550/OSM/ComputedCoastline.png ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] National borders
My inclination is.. 1. Document accurately the process you have used 2. Note the activity required to increase the accuracy (reefs, bay closure) 3. Upload the borders currently there (things aren't working properly right now). 4. Work to increase the accuracy. 5. Update the borders accordingly. Ian. On 22/09/12 03:24, Michael Krämer wrote: Hi, finally I got the process sorted out to generate a border from natural=coastline, natural=reef and the baseline segments. The resulting osm-file can be found at [1]. Using the dataset I also updated the picture from the post below to show the differences [2]. It doesn't look that bad everywhere but especially along the Queensland coast that's not the only place like this. So no my question is how we should move on from here. I see different options: - Upload the dataset as is - Try to get it better e.g. by * manually by adding baseline segments (close bays, low water) * do a more accurate buffer computation * trace more reefs from Bing * ... - dump the idea and look for a better one - ... BTW this time I've taken notes so if anyone is interested I could share the process I've used. The processing hasn't been too acurate given the limitations of the data. Especially I used a buffer of 0.2 degrees instead of exactly 12 nautical miles so the distance is always a bit too short. Michael - [1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3882550/OSM/NationalBorder.osm.bz2 [2] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3882550/OSM/ComputedCoastline.png ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Blocks of land - residential housing
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Leathal leatha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I was just wondering what the tagging standard is for residential housing in suburbs? I can't find anything definitive, and most of the common methods such as landuse=residential is set aside for large scale areas (which is correct IMO). So, I was just wondering if there is some kind of standard that everyone is using? Or if anyone is using at all? I just don't like this method of numbers only: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-19.295319lon=146.71811zoom=18layers=M I can't point to standards, but I can offer my preferences. I like the address numbers, but I'd prefer that they were on the building outlines. Also, the addr:housenumber should also have addr:street, iirc. I'm not a fan of mapping property lines as shown in the untagged ways in that area, for reasons that have been discussed amply on talk@ and talk-us@. To summarize; we can't know or guess where the property line is, in many jurisdictions there will be a set back from physical objects that we can see like the road or fence. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Blocks of land - residential housing
On 21 September 2012 20:41, Leathal leatha...@gmail.com wrote: I just don't like this method of numbers only: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-19.295319lon=146.71811zoom=18layers=M That's the way I do it. OSM is never going to become a cadastral map just from tracing. The numbers are the important info. Some people seem to like tracing building outlines. This looks pretty on the rendering, but I personally don't think the effort to reward is there when there are so many other features untraced. Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] GPS accuracy
That is absolutely fantastic - cant wait to see it. BJ Sent from my iPhone On 21/09/2012, at 12:20, Russell Edwards russ...@edwds.net wrote: Hi all, On this topic -- for what it's worth I have written a JOSM plugin to help with GPS accuracy in the case of having multiple tracks covering the same . You can highlight a set of GPX tracks along a straight path (or taken from a fixed position) and it will a) average them all to find their geometric centre and b) find the direction of maximum variation, to find the likely direction of the path along which they were recorded. I hope to have it available within the next week or two. You should get an accuracy improvement factor of equal to or greater than the square root of the number of tracks. When you have dozens or hundreds of tracks on the same paths, as I do (logs from my runs around town), then it should be a great help in pinning down any offset in the imagery (and potentially, rotation, too). Russell ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] National borders
Hi Michael, I'm keen to read up on the process, so that I learn a little more about the mapping workflows on OSM. And happy to help, so let me know if I can be of any assistance. BTW, won't the bays be self closing during buffer creation (if the mouth is less than the offset)? Cheers, Paul. -Original Message- From: Michael Krämer Sent: 21 Sep 2012 17:24:23 GMT To: Ian Sergeant,Talk-AU OSM,Paul HAYDON Subject: Re: [talk-au] National borders Hi, finally I got the process sorted out to generate a border from natural=coastline, natural=reef and the baseline segments. The resulting osm-file can be found at [1]. Using the dataset I also updated the picture from the post below to show the differences [2]. It doesn't look that bad everywhere but especially along the Queensland coast that's not the only place like this. So no my question is how we should move on from here. I see different options: - Upload the dataset as is - Try to get it better e.g. by * manually by adding baseline segments (close bays, low water) * do a more accurate buffer computation * trace more reefs from Bing * ... - dump the idea and look for a better one - ... BTW this time I've taken notes so if anyone is interested I could share the process I've used. The processing hasn't been too acurate given the limitations of the data. Especially I used a buffer of 0.2 degrees instead of exactly 12 nautical miles so the distance is always a bit too short. Michael - [1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3882550/OSM/NationalBorder.osm.bz2 [2] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3882550/OSM/ComputedCoastline.png ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Blocks of land - residential housing
Hi, For fast numbering, you might want to check out the technique I tried for Wharf Street, Forster NSW. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-32.18045lon=152.51021zoom=17layers=M This uses the address interpolation technique. I wasn't sure at the time if I'd done it the right way because nomonatim hadn't been getting updated, but since then it has... and I can tell you it works a treat! If you search for any valid number on Wharf Street Forster it will point you there with surprising accuracy. Just draw a parallel way from corner to corner with start/end numbers and tell it whether odd or even. Very nice way to quickly make the map massively more useable. Search the wiki for more details. BJ Sent from my iPhone On 21/09/2012, at 20:41, Leathal leatha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I was just wondering what the tagging standard is for residential housing in suburbs? I can't find anything definitive, and most of the common methods such as landuse=residential is set aside for large scale areas (which is correct IMO). So, I was just wondering if there is some kind of standard that everyone is using? Or if anyone is using at all? I just don't like this method of numbers only: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-19.295319lon=146.71811zoom=18layers=M Any help appreciated. :) Leathal. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Knight awards $575k to improve OpenStreetMap infrastructure
Bin ja gespannt, wie sie die OSM Community einbeziehen. Am 21.09.2012 um 00:14 schrieb Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de: FYI: 575k$ sind doch eine beachtiche Summe an Geld, die zur Verbesserung innerhalb von OSM verwendet werden soll... Original-Nachricht Betreff: [OSM-talk] Knight awards $575k to improve OpenStreetMap infrastructure Datum:Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:26:58 -0400 Von: Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com An: t...@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Hello everyone - I'm excited to announce that the Knight Foundation has awarded a grant of $575,000 to Development Seed and MapBox to improve OpenStreetMap infrastructure. Myself and my colleages from the Development Seed and MapBox team are looking forward to closely work with other OpenStreetMap community members to put this money to good use. The goal is to improve editing infrastructure to enable better and more focused editors, update openstreetmap.org with social features to allow better interaction around common tasks, and make it easier to access and use OpenStreetMap data. These three components together aim to allow a fast growing community to scale better. The community has already identified issues in these areas and begun to make massive improvements. We'll collaborate with existing efforts as much as possible and do all work in the open, on platforms like GitHub and producing exclusively open source code. These are broad brushstrokes for now, without much technical detail. Right now we're getting our house in order - we will follow up in the next weeks with more detailed thoughts on where we would like to go. In the meantime, fire away with questions here or feel free to get in touch directly under a...@mapbox.com. Links to announcements: http://mapbox.com/blog/knight-invests-openstreetmap/ http://www.knightfoundation.org/press-room/press-release/six-ventures-bring-data-public-winners-knight-news/ == About the Knight Foundation The Knight Foundation supports transformational projects in journalism, media, community and the arts. Knight has a strong track record in providing key funding to open source projects such as Document Cloud or Panda. Development Seed has worked with Knight in more than one instance before, noteably TileMill was launched on a Knight grant. - TileMill http://www.knightfoundation.org/grants/20094589/ - Panda http://www.knightfoundation.org/grants/20110660/ - DocumentCloud http://www.knightfoundation.org/grants/20110146/ Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Knight awards $575k to improve OpenStreetMap infrastructure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-21 02:40, Tirkon wrote: Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de wrote: FYI: 575k$ sind doch eine beachtiche Summe an Geld, die zur Verbesserung innerhalb von OSM verwendet werden soll... Original-Nachricht .. About the Knight Foundation ... gibt es auch einen Wikipedia Artikel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._and_James_L._Knight_Foundation Also doch ned Michael Knight und K.I.T.T. SCNR MfG, Lars Schimmer - -- - - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schim...@cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBcA5gACgkQmWhuE0qbFyNThACfVrMyBgdUrkAOuu5z4PidfdUg 6ucAn3Ehk1Ry5TmWvhYORuic2NDRG2Vz =lmNi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] iOS-6-Maps - Heise
Hallo! Weiß jemand zufällig, welches Kartenmaterial Apple bei iOS-6-Maps verwendet? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Unmut-und-Erheiterung-ueber-iOS-6-Maps-1714063.html Ich nehme an, OSM ist es in diesem Bereich NICHT. Da gab's ja mal Berichte, dass Apple in anderen Bereichen auf OSM setzt. Der im Artikel-Bild angeführte Kartenausschnitt dürfte wahrscheinlich von hier sein: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.28694lon=-6.23221zoom=17layers=M An den Hauptobjekten ist seit ca. 3 Jahren nichts mehr verändert worden und es ist eindeutig als Farm und Touristen-Attraktion und nicht als Flugplatz getaggt, zum Glück. Grüße, Günther ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] iOS-6-Maps - Heise
TomTom hat gestern verkündet, sie hätten u.a. die Daten geliefert. Aber was Apple daraus macht, dafür sind sie nicht verantwortlich. Am 21.09.2012 um 08:14 schrieb Günther Zin. o...@fh15.homeip.net: Hallo! Weiß jemand zufällig, welches Kartenmaterial Apple bei iOS-6-Maps verwendet? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Unmut-und-Erheiterung-ueber-iOS-6-Maps-1714063.html Ich nehme an, OSM ist es in diesem Bereich NICHT. Da gab's ja mal Berichte, dass Apple in anderen Bereichen auf OSM setzt. Der im Artikel-Bild angeführte Kartenausschnitt dürfte wahrscheinlich von hier sein: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.28694lon=-6.23221zoom=17layers=M An den Hauptobjekten ist seit ca. 3 Jahren nichts mehr verändert worden und es ist eindeutig als Farm und Touristen-Attraktion und nicht als Flugplatz getaggt, zum Glück. Grüße, Günther ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Adressen
Moin, Am 19.09.2012 19:06, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: M.E. sollte in die Adress-tags die echte Adresse, nicht die der Postzustellung, d.h. oben müsste die Adresse rein, und für die Post-adresse könnte man einen neuen tag entwerfen (so man das denn erfassen will). Key:addr To provide postal address information for buildings and facilities. Du verbiegst hier den (Datenbank-) Inhalt, um Routinginformationen zu erzeugen. Das klappt dann, wenn man den POI nach dem Firmennamen sucht oder nach Ort und _Zufahrtstraße_ gesucht wird. Aber nicht mehr, wenn man nach der eigentlich nach außen bekannten Adresse (Ort, Straße, Hausnummer) sucht. Das Karlsruher Schema hat für solche Sonderfälle die roadaccess-Relation vorgeschlagen. Diesen Weg halte ich für sinnvoller. Es ist ja nicht nur die Adresse, unter der die Post zugestellt wird, sondern schlicht auch die Adresse, unter der das Unternehmen firmiert. Das sind die Angaben, die der Nutzer nun mal in der Regel hat, wenn er die Firma sucht. So oder so braucht man die Zusatzangaben, um die Firma zu finden und (sinnvoll) dahin zu routen. Da macht es in meinen Augen mehr Sinn, nur die Zusatzangabe zu machen, statt auch noch den Inhalt zu vertauschen. Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Adressen
Am 21. September 2012 08:40 schrieb Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.de: Du verbiegst hier den (Datenbank-) Inhalt, um Routinginformationen zu erzeugen. es ging mir nicht ums routing sondern eher um eine Art is_in: wenn ein Objekt die tags addr:city und addr:street hat dann würde man davon ausgehen, dass das Objekt sich auch in addr:city und addr:street befindet, bzw. zumindest einen Eingang mit dieser Anschrift hat (was auch bei dem Beispiel hier der Fall zu sein scheint). Grtuß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Garagenanlagen und Gassen in Wohnsiedlungen
Moin! Wie mapt ihr diese Gassen zwischen den in Wohnsiedlungen häufig vorkommenden Garagenreihen? highway=service service=[driveway|parking_aisle|irgendwasanderes] Weiters: Diese Reihenhausansammlungen haben oft sehr schmale Stichstraßen zu den abzweigenden Reihenhäusern. Meist Sackgassen. Manche sind so schmal, daß kein Auto reinpaßt, manche, etwas breitere, werden offensichtlich genutzt, um den Wochenendeinkauf vor der Haustür zu entladen, in der Zeit paßt aber nichts anderes da hindurch. Gelegentlich findet sich am Ende eine einzelne Garage oder ein Carport. Die ganz schmalen sind offensichtlich Fußwege. Verpaßt ihr diesen und den etwas größeren Stichwegen auch den Straßennamen? Access grundsätzlich als private annehmen, auch wenn kein Schild da steht? Rainer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wiki: wir möchten die Liznez ändern
HI ich habe gerade auf http://www.openstreetmap.de/lizenzaenderung.html gesehen das dort noch die Planung und nicht die umgesetzte Version steht. Vielleicht kann sich einer von den Admin der Seite das mal anpassen. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Garagenanlagen und Gassen in Wohnsiedlungen
Am 21. September 2012 11:17 schrieb Rainer Knaepper sm...@gmx.de: Wie mapt ihr diese Gassen zwischen den in Wohnsiedlungen häufig vorkommenden Garagenreihen? highway=service service=[driveway|parking_aisle|irgendwasanderes] service=alley oder driveway, je nachdem. Ein driveway ist eine Auf-/Zufahrt, während die alley für schmalere Gassen z.B. zwischen Garagenreihen passt. Weiters: Diese Reihenhausansammlungen haben oft sehr schmale Stichstraßen zu den abzweigenden Reihenhäusern. Meist Sackgassen. Manche sind so schmal, daß kein Auto reinpaßt, footway/path od. service + alley (wenn man da z.B. mit dem Motorrad reinfahren darf, weiss nicht, ob das in Deutschland vorkommt). manche, etwas breitere, werden offensichtlich genutzt, um den Wochenendeinkauf vor der Haustür zu entladen , in der Zeit paßt aber nichts anderes da hindurch. Gelegentlich findet sich am Ende eine einzelne Garage oder ein Carport. driveway Die ganz schmalen sind offensichtlich Fußwege. Verpaßt ihr diesen und den etwas größeren Stichwegen auch den Straßennamen? Access grundsätzlich als private annehmen, auch wenn kein Schild da steht? kommt drauf an, wie der Zugang geregelt ist. Wenn da kein Schild steht und man prinzipiell den Weg benutzen kann/darf, würde ich nicht private verwenden, eher yes oder permissive (letzteres, wenn es sich um ein Privatgrundstück handelt, wo jederzeit der Besitzer einen Zaun ziehen könnte und den Zugang untersagen). Oft sind diese Privatwege auch für fremde Kfz verboten. aber als Radfahrer und Fußgänger kann man durchgehen. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien
Oliver Raupach oli...@raupach.cc wrote: du bist der Admin - oder? Kannst du mir mal diesen Bereich neu erstellen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=6.48771lon=99.29961zoom=16layers=M Ich bin der Admin des deutschen kartenstils und nach Jochens Anregung hab ich das jetzt mal so umgestellt, dass ab sofort fürs rendering immer die neuesten Shapefiles von http://openstreetmapdata.com verwendet werden. http://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=6.48771lon=99.29961zoom=16 sieht doch schon viel schöner aus :) Die Grenzlinie ist allerdings immer noch Murks. Sven -- If you don't make lower-resolution mapping data publicly available, there will be people with their cars and GPS devices, driving around with their laptops (Tim Berners-Lee) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Adressen
Mit den Einträgen der tags addr: war ich unsicher, habe dann gemäß der Zeile über der Tabelle im Wiki die postalische Anschrift eingetragen. is_in stammt von den Lagebezeichnungen für places, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in nennt nur ein paar Kombinationen. is_in:postcode habe ich an addr:postcode angelehnt. is_in:postal_code habe ich nirgends gefunden, hinter is_in: werden weitere Ausprägungen (values) der Merkmale place aufgeführt, keine Merkmale (keys) direkt. Eigentlich ist die Postleitzahl im vorliegenden Fall ohnehin falsch, denn die Firma liegt nicht im Postleitzahlgebiet von Heddesheim. Das wäre nur zur Unterscheidung der Gemeinde, falls es mehrere Heddesheim gäbe. Das Karlsruhe-Schema habe ich mal versucht anzuwenden und der Relation zusätzlich einen Namen verpasst. Die roadAccess-Relation ist http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2427724 Ich vermute, die Router werden weder das tag is_in noch die roadAccess-Relation auswerten. Ähnlich ist das mit den Heddesheimer Höfen am Hirschländerweg. Das Geo-Informations-System der Stadt Mannheim http://www.gis-mannheim.de/mapserver_mann/ kennt den Hirschländerweg, teilt aber mit Es sind keine Hausnummern eingetragen. Logisch, die Höfe sind auch nicht auf Mannheimer Boden. Der von Heddesheim verlinkte Stadtplan http://www.1001-stadtplan.de/stadtplan/heddesheim/kartenstartpunkt/stadtpla n-heddesheim.map kennt dagegen den Hirschländerweg nicht, der liegt ja auch in Mannheim. Bei www.openstreetmap.org findet man die Höfe auch nicht, egal ob man eingibt z. B. heddesheim, hirschländerweg 30 oder mannheim, hirschländerweg 30 Nur hirschländerweg 30 findet das richtige Haus, nennt aber Viernheim als Stadt. viernheim, hirschländerweg 30 wird aber auch nicht gefunden. Bernhard -Original Message- From: Georg Feddern [mailto:o...@bavarianmallet.de] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 8:41 AM To: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch Subject: Re: [Talk-de] Adressen Moin, Am 19.09.2012 19:06, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: M.E. sollte in die Adress-tags die echte Adresse, nicht die der Postzustellung, d.h. oben müsste die Adresse rein, und für die Post-adresse könnte man einen neuen tag entwerfen (so man das denn erfassen will). Key:addr To provide postal address information for buildings and facilities. Du verbiegst hier den (Datenbank-) Inhalt, um Routinginformationen zu erzeugen. Das klappt dann, wenn man den POI nach dem Firmennamen sucht oder nach Ort und _Zufahrtstraße_ gesucht wird. Aber nicht mehr, wenn man nach der eigentlich nach außen bekannten Adresse (Ort, Straße, Hausnummer) sucht. Das Karlsruher Schema hat für solche Sonderfälle die roadaccess-Relation vorgeschlagen. Diesen Weg halte ich für sinnvoller. Es ist ja nicht nur die Adresse, unter der die Post zugestellt wird, sondern schlicht auch die Adresse, unter der das Unternehmen firmiert. Das sind die Angaben, die der Nutzer nun mal in der Regel hat, wenn er die Firma sucht. So oder so braucht man die Zusatzangaben, um die Firma zu finden und (sinnvoll) dahin zu routen. Da macht es in meinen Augen mehr Sinn, nur die Zusatzangabe zu machen, statt auch noch den Inhalt zu vertauschen. Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Adressen
Am 21. September 2012 16:57 schrieb Bernhard Weiskopf bweisk...@gmx.de: Ähnlich ist das mit den Heddesheimer Höfen am Hirschländerweg. Das Geo-Informations-System der Stadt Mannheim http://www.gis-mannheim.de/mapserver_mann/ kennt den Hirschländerweg, teilt aber mit Es sind keine Hausnummern eingetragen. Logisch, die Höfe sind auch nicht auf Mannheimer Boden. Der von Heddesheim verlinkte Stadtplan http://www.1001-stadtplan.de/stadtplan/heddesheim/kartenstartpunkt/stadtpla n-heddesheim.map kennt dagegen den Hirschländerweg nicht, der liegt ja auch in Mannheim. Ich würde sagen, daß, wenn die Höfe in Heddesheim liegen, sie zwingend auch eine Heddesheimer Adresse besitzen und würde diese auch bevorzugt eintragen, Post-interne Kuriositäten hin oder her. Wem das Flurstück gehört, auf dem die Straße liegt, ist dabei erstmal egal - es ist m.W. recht selten, dass Grenzen tatsächlich in Straßenmitte verlaufen, dieser Fall hier ist also eher normal. Hast du mal das Heddesheimer WebGIS auf deren Homepage befragt? Bei mir funktioniert das nicht, mangels Internet Explorer. Bei www.openstreetmap.org findet man die Höfe auch nicht, egal ob man eingibt z. B. heddesheim, hirschländerweg 30 oder mannheim, hirschländerweg 30 Nur hirschländerweg 30 findet das richtige Haus, nennt aber Viernheim als Stadt. viernheim, hirschländerweg 30 wird aber auch nicht gefunden. Da hast du eine Unzulänglichkeit in Nominatim gefunden. Ich habe es gerade mal mit einem Beispiel bei mir um die Ecke ausprobiert: Nominatim scheint immer gesamte Straßen einer Verwaltungsgrenze zuzuordnen, und damit alle ihre Hausnummern, ungeachtet von deren Lage oder addr:city. Beim Hirschländerweg wird anscheinend ein Teil Viernheim zugeordnet, der andere Mannheim - obwohl beide vollständig im Mannheimer Polygon liegen. Ich bin übernächste Woche in Heddesheim und wollte dort auch ein wenig mappen, vielleicht lässt sich vor Ort ja etwas herausfinden. Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Adressen
Hallo Martin, ich kenne nur die Mannheimer Postanschrift, auch die Telefonanbindung geschieht über eine Mannheimer Vermittlungsstelle mit Mannheimer Vorwahl. Die Straße Hirschländerweg (inkl. Bankett) liegt vollständig auf Mannheimer Gemarkung. In OSM war vor einiger Zeit der Verlauf der Landesgrenze BW/HE ziemlich verschoben eingetragen und Teile des Hirschländerwegs lagen dann in Hessen. Vielleicht arbeitet Nominatim mit ziemlich alten Daten, obwohl mir das noch nie aufgefallen ist. Das Heddesheimer WebGIS läuft bei mir auch nicht mangels Internet Explorer. Der Länder-Grenzstein an der Kreuzung mit dem Straßenheimer Weg ist leicht zu finden. Am dortigen Abzweig fehlt theoretisch (seit gefühlter Ewigkeit) das Verbotsschild, aber dieses 300 m lange schlechte Stück fährt ohnehin niemand freiwillig. Bernhard -Original Message- From: Martin Simon [mailto:grenzde...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 6:05 PM To: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch Subject: Re: [Talk-de] Adressen Am 21. September 2012 16:57 schrieb Bernhard Weiskopf bweisk...@gmx.de: Ähnlich ist das mit den Heddesheimer Höfen am Hirschländerweg. Das Geo-Informations-System der Stadt Mannheim http://www.gis-mannheim.de/mapserver_mann/ kennt den Hirschländerweg, teilt aber mit Es sind keine Hausnummern eingetragen. Logisch, die Höfe sind auch nicht auf Mannheimer Boden. Der von Heddesheim verlinkte Stadtplan http://www.1001- stadtplan.de/stadtplan/heddesheim/kartenstartpunkt/stadtpla n-heddesheim.map kennt dagegen den Hirschländerweg nicht, der liegt ja auch in Mannheim. Ich würde sagen, daß, wenn die Höfe in Heddesheim liegen, sie zwingend auch eine Heddesheimer Adresse besitzen und würde diese auch bevorzugt eintragen, Post-interne Kuriositäten hin oder her. Wem das Flurstück gehört, auf dem die Straße liegt, ist dabei erstmal egal - es ist m.W. recht selten, dass Grenzen tatsächlich in Straßenmitte verlaufen, dieser Fall hier ist also eher normal. Hast du mal das Heddesheimer WebGIS auf deren Homepage befragt? Bei mir funktioniert das nicht, mangels Internet Explorer. Bei www.openstreetmap.org findet man die Höfe auch nicht, egal ob man eingibt z. B. heddesheim, hirschländerweg 30 oder mannheim, hirschländerweg 30 Nur hirschländerweg 30 findet das richtige Haus, nennt aber Viernheim als Stadt. viernheim, hirschländerweg 30 wird aber auch nicht gefunden. Da hast du eine Unzulänglichkeit in Nominatim gefunden. Ich habe es gerade mal mit einem Beispiel bei mir um die Ecke ausprobiert: Nominatim scheint immer gesamte Straßen einer Verwaltungsgrenze zuzuordnen, und damit alle ihre Hausnummern, ungeachtet von deren Lage oder addr:city. Beim Hirschländerweg wird anscheinend ein Teil Viernheim zugeordnet, der andere Mannheim - obwohl beide vollständig im Mannheimer Polygon liegen. Ich bin übernächste Woche in Heddesheim und wollte dort auch ein wenig mappen, vielleicht lässt sich vor Ort ja etwas herausfinden. Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien
Hallo Sven, *, Am 21. September 2012 14:59 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de : [..] Ich bin der Admin des deutschen kartenstils und nach Jochens Anregung hab ich das jetzt mal so umgestellt, dass ab sofort fürs rendering immer die neuesten Shapefiles von http://openstreetmapdata.com verwendet werden. entschuldige, dass ich den thread kapere, aber http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.650473lon=-27.227793zoom=18layers=M sieht immer noch bescheiden aus (Ich hoffe, Du erkennst die Gegend wieder ;-) ) , obwohl http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.64545lon=-27.22203zoom=15layers=M ganz ordentlich aussieht. Wo kann ich denn nachlesen, warum das so ist. GLG Manfred ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien
Am 21.09.2012 14:59, schrieb Sven Geggus: Oliver Raupach oli...@raupach.cc wrote: du bist der Admin - oder? Kannst du mir mal diesen Bereich neu erstellen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=6.48771lon=99.29961zoom=16layers=M Ich bin der Admin des deutschen kartenstils und nach Jochens Anregung hab ich das jetzt mal so umgestellt, dass ab sofort fürs rendering immer die neuesten Shapefiles von http://openstreetmapdata.com verwendet werden. Ja, das ist gut. Aber was machst du, wenn die Küste ein Loch hat oder kaputt ist? http://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=6.48771lon=99.29961zoom=16 sieht doch schon viel schöner aus :) Die Grenzlinie ist allerdings immer noch Murks. ... ja ist mir auch schon aufgefallen. Ich kenne mich aber mit Grenzlinien nicht so gut aus. Wo müssen die denn verlaufen? Direkt an der Küste? Oder gehört auch Meer dazu? -- Oliver ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien
Am 21.09.2012 19:24, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: entschuldige, dass ich den thread kapere, aber http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.650473lon=-27.227793zoom=18layers=M sieht immer noch bescheiden aus (Ich hoffe, Du erkennst die Gegend wieder ;-) ) , obwohl http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.64545lon=-27.22203zoom=15layers=M ganz ordentlich aussieht. Wo kann ich denn nachlesen, warum das so ist. Ja, da ist was im Busch. Werden die gerade neu gerendert? Sind noch nicht alle aktualisiert. Ist aber an vielen Stellen im Moment so. -- Oliver ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 07:29:07PM +0200, Oliver Raupach wrote: Am 21.09.2012 14:59, schrieb Sven Geggus: Oliver Raupach oli...@raupach.cc wrote: du bist der Admin - oder? Kannst du mir mal diesen Bereich neu erstellen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=6.48771lon=99.29961zoom=16layers=M Ich bin der Admin des deutschen kartenstils und nach Jochens Anregung hab ich das jetzt mal so umgestellt, dass ab sofort fürs rendering immer die neuesten Shapefiles von http://openstreetmapdata.com verwendet werden. Ja, das ist gut. Aber was machst du, wenn die Küste ein Loch hat oder kaputt ist? Die Datenaufbereitung für openstreetmapdata.com benutzt das Programm OSMCoastline (näheres im Wiki). Das erkennt sehr viele Fehler und repariert einige davon. Wenn die Fehler zu gross sind, dann wird keine neue Version der Coastline generiert und man muss einen Tag warten, bis es wieder durchläuft. Kleinere Fehler werden also u.U. ignoriert, aber wenn ein Fehler dazu führt, dass z.B. eine größere Insel verschwinden würde, dann wird der Update angehalten. Der Coastline View des OSMI hilft Fehler zu finden und zu korrigieren: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=coastline Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien
Hier gehen jetzt verschiedene Sachen durcheinander: 1. Der deutsche Kartenstil auf dem *deutschen Tileserver* (tile.openstreetmap.de) benutzt jetzt wie Sven schreibt die aktuellen Küstenlinien. Der Tileserver von .org tut das nicht. Da sind also immernoch veraltete Küstenlinien zu erwarten. Wenn wir etwas mehr Erfahrung damit haben, wie zuverlässig das bei .de läuft, dann werde ich mal mit den Admins von .org reden, ob die das auch da einführen wollen. 2. Wenn die Küstenlinien zu kaputt sind, dann gibt es auch bei .de keinen Update. Wir wollen ja nicht, dass zu viel kaputt geht. 3. Die andere Sache ist natürlich immernoch, dass nicht immer alle Tiles auch gleich geupdated werden, wenn es neue Daten gibt. Das hängt von den Kapazitäten der Server ab. Also: Die Details was wann wo warum geupdated wird oder nicht sind komplex und es kann an verschiedenen Gründen liegen, auf die der Mapper nur begrenzt Einfluss hat. Auf der dt. Karte sollte das jetzt schneller gehen und wir streben natürlich an, dass das auf den internationalen Karten auch so wird. Jochen On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 07:24:30PM +0200, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: Am 21. September 2012 14:59 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de : [..] Ich bin der Admin des deutschen kartenstils und nach Jochens Anregung hab ich das jetzt mal so umgestellt, dass ab sofort fürs rendering immer die neuesten Shapefiles von http://openstreetmapdata.com verwendet werden. entschuldige, dass ich den thread kapere, aber http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.650473lon=-27.227793zoom=18layers=M sieht immer noch bescheiden aus (Ich hoffe, Du erkennst die Gegend wieder ;-) ) , obwohl http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.64545lon=-27.22203zoom=15layers=M ganz ordentlich aussieht. Wo kann ich denn nachlesen, warum das so ist. GLG Manfred ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Verbesserter Coastline-View im OSM-Inspector
Ich habe gerade eine Änderung im OSM-Inspector scharf gestellt. Es werden jetzt noch mehr mögliche Fehler in der Küstenlinie erkannt und im Layer Questionable dargestellt. Mehrere verschiedene Fehler werden in dieser Kategorie angezeigt: a) Küstenlinienringe, die andere Küstenlinienringe in einem einzigen Punkt treffen. Das sollte man wahrscheinlich korrigieren, denn die Küste wird kaum wirklich so aussehen. b) Ringe, in in der falschen Richtung eingetragen sind (sollten korrigiert werden) c) Kleinere Wasserflächen innerhalb der Kontinente. Diese sollten eher als natural=water oder dergleichen getagged werden. Beim Bearbeiten aber bitte vorsichtig vorgehen und den Einzelfall prüfen, nicht alles muss unbedingt ein Fehler sein. http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=coastline Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien
Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: entschuldige, dass ich den thread kapere, aber http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.650473lon=-27.227793zoom=18layers=M sieht immer noch bescheiden aus Erstmal: openstreetmap.org ist nicht meine Baustelle sondern nur *.tile.openstreetmap.de Den Trick mit dem /dirty kennst Du? Nachdem ich den angewendet habe sieht http://tile.openstreetmap.de/tiles/osmde/18/111245/100512.png definitiv besser aus als http://tile.openstreetmap.org/18/111245/100512.png Gruss Sven -- Das allgemeine Persönlichkeitsrecht (Art. 2 Abs.1 i.V.m. Art.1 Abs. 1GG) umfasst das Grundrecht auf Gewährleistung der Vertraulichkeit und Integrität informationstechnischer Systeme. (BVerfG, 1BvR 370/07) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien
Oliver Raupach oli...@raupach.cc wrote: ... ja ist mir auch schon aufgefallen. Ich kenne mich aber mit Grenzlinien nicht so gut aus. Wo müssen die denn verlaufen? Direkt an der Küste? Oder gehört auch Meer dazu? Das ist diese 3-Meilen Zone um die Inseln rum. Da bräuchte man eigentlich mal ein josm plugin, das aus Küstenlinien die Grenzlinie anpassen kann. Mich darfst Du das aber eigentlich nicht fragen, denn ich finde sowieso, dass OSM als weltweites Projekt gar keine Grenzen erfassen sollte, die es physikalisch (Mauer, Zaun, ...) nicht gibt. Gruss Sven -- /* Fuck me gently with a chainsaw... */ (David S. Miller in /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/ptrace.c) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Verbesserter Coastline-View im OSM-Inspector
Hallo Jochen, Was macht eigentlich Amerika derzeit zur Invalid geometry? Ich fürchte, dass das niemand korrigieren kann, denn freiwillig wird wohl kaum jemand tausende von Kilometern auf vermeintliche Fehler überprüfen. Sven -- Every time you use Google, you're using a Linux machine (Chris DiBona, a programs manager for Google) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien
Am 21. September 2012 23:44 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Oliver Raupach oli...@raupach.cc wrote: ... ja ist mir auch schon aufgefallen. Ich kenne mich aber mit Grenzlinien nicht so gut aus. Wo müssen die denn verlaufen? Direkt an der Küste? Oder gehört auch Meer dazu? Das ist diese 3-Meilen Zone um die Inseln rum. Da bräuchte man eigentlich mal ein josm plugin, das aus Küstenlinien die Grenzlinie anpassen kann. ob das so sinnvoll ist, weiss ich nicht. In Italien werden (bzw. wurden) für die Grenzen auf dem Meer anhand der sog. Basislinie berechnet (sie sind ein Offset um 12 nautische Meilen). Der Verlauf dieser Basislinie ist in einem Gesetz festgelegt und entspricht natürlich nur näherungsweise der Küstenlinie. Vermutlich gibt es so eine Basislinie auch in Deutschland? Die in OSM enthaltenen Staatsgrenzen von Teilen Europas kommen AFAIK aus einem pd-dataset von der EU. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] [RINGRAZIAMENTI] OSMAnd e mappers Toscani...
Lo scorso weekend sono stato in toscana per un matrimonio, zona Siena, e ho utilizzato con ottimi risultati OSMAnd e le mappe di agosto su gfoss sul mio scarsissimo LG Optimus One. Grazie. ;-) PS: ecco, unica nota, il telefono insisteva pervicacemente a volermi far entrare in macchina a San Gimignano, per la porta sud... -- Io, Yolande Mukagasana, dichiaro di fronte all'umanita` che chiunque non voglia prendere conoscenza del calvario del popolo rwandese e` complice dei carnefici. (Yolande Mukagasana) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [RINGRAZIAMENTI] OSMAnd e mappers Toscani...
Il giorno 20 settembre 2012 11:10, Marco Gaiarin marcog...@libero.it ha scritto: PS: ecco, unica nota, il telefono insisteva pervicacemente a volermi far entrare in macchina a San Gimignano, per la porta sud... ... perché è un bel posto e ci teneva che tu lo vedessi :-) Anch'io uso proficuamente OsmAnd, sono molto soddisfatto. Ciao /niubii/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [RINGRAZIAMENTI] OSMAnd e mappers Toscani...
Direttamente dalle impostazioni nell'app puoi scaricare la mappa dell'Italia aggiornata a metà settembre. A giorni uscirà inoltre la ver 0.8.3 che dovrebbe risolvere alcuni bug sul ricalcolo automatico della rotta. Gianmario Mengozzi sent by GNexus Il giorno 21/set/2012 08:35, Marco Gaiarin marcog...@libero.it ha scritto: Lo scorso weekend sono stato in toscana per un matrimonio, zona Siena, e ho utilizzato con ottimi risultati OSMAnd e le mappe di agosto su gfoss sul mio scarsissimo LG Optimus One. Grazie. ;-) PS: ecco, unica nota, il telefono insisteva pervicacemente a volermi far entrare in macchina a San Gimignano, per la porta sud... -- Io, Yolande Mukagasana, dichiaro di fronte all'umanita` che chiunque non voglia prendere conoscenza del calvario del popolo rwandese e` complice dei carnefici. (Yolande Mukagasana) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [RINGRAZIAMENTI] OSMAnd e mappers Toscani...
Salve, ho visto che avete utilizzato OsmAnd ma sapete se con questa App è possibile navigare un percorso offline facendo una simulazione?GRazie. :-) Il 21 settembre 2012 09:28, Gianmario Mengozzi gianmario.mengo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Direttamente dalle impostazioni nell'app puoi scaricare la mappa dell'Italia aggiornata a metà settembre. A giorni uscirà inoltre la ver 0.8.3 che dovrebbe risolvere alcuni bug sul ricalcolo automatico della rotta. Gianmario Mengozzi sent by GNexus Il giorno 21/set/2012 08:35, Marco Gaiarin marcog...@libero.it ha scritto: Lo scorso weekend sono stato in toscana per un matrimonio, zona Siena, e ho utilizzato con ottimi risultati OSMAnd e le mappe di agosto su gfoss sul mio scarsissimo LG Optimus One. Grazie. ;-) PS: ecco, unica nota, il telefono insisteva pervicacemente a volermi far entrare in macchina a San Gimignano, per la porta sud... -- Io, Yolande Mukagasana, dichiaro di fronte all'umanita` che chiunque non voglia prendere conoscenza del calvario del popolo rwandese e` complice dei carnefici. (Yolande Mukagasana) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] La fondazione Knight investe in OSM
Qui la notizia: http://mapbox.com/blog/knight-invests-openstreetmap/ Spero non sia la stessa Fondazione Knight del Michael Knight di Supercar... Saluti a tutti Fabrizio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] La fondazione Knight investe in OSM
Ahah è la stessa cosa che ho pensato anch'io Il giorno 21/set/2012 13:47, Fabrizio Tambussa ftambu...@gmail.com ha scritto: Qui la notizia: http://mapbox.com/blog/knight-invests-openstreetmap/ Spero non sia la stessa Fondazione Knight del Michael Knight di Supercar... Saluti a tutti Fabrizio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [RINGRAZIAMENTI] OSMAnd e mappers Toscani...
Ciao, al momento non è possibile però vedo che le versioni di sviluppo subiscono importanti migliorie e aggiunta di nuove funzionalità di settimana in settimana perciò penso che non ci vorrà molto. Ora ad esempio c'è, in quella di sviluppo, la possibilità di aggiungere delle mete intermedie prima della destinazione finale. Ciao, Mirco -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/RINGRAZIAMENTI-OSMAnd-e-mappers-Toscani-tp5726634p5726736.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [RINGRAZIAMENTI] OSMAnd e mappers Toscani...
Mirco grazie per la risposta...ma conosceresti qualche altra App,oltre amap factor che cmq mi permette di fare la simulazione e aggiorna velocemente le mappe?(perchè map factor ha fatto l'ultimo aggiornamento delle mappe a luglio)! Il 21 settembre 2012 18:31, mircozorzo mircozo...@inwind.it ha scritto: Ciao, al momento non è possibile però vedo che le versioni di sviluppo subiscono importanti migliorie e aggiunta di nuove funzionalità di settimana in settimana perciò penso che non ci vorrà molto. Ora ad esempio c'è, in quella di sviluppo, la possibilità di aggiungere delle mete intermedie prima della destinazione finale. Ciao, Mirco -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/RINGRAZIAMENTI-OSMAnd-e-mappers-Toscani-tp5726634p5726736.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [RINGRAZIAMENTI] OSMAnd e mappers Toscani...
GpsMid oltre al routing ha anche una simulazione (non ricordo se dandogli come input un file GPX o se la fa sull'itinerario di routing); la APP su Android ha ancora qualche problemino mentre su Symbian gira benissimo. Alessandro a.k.a. Ale_zena_IT Messaggio originale Da: lorellalambe...@gmail.com Data: 21/09/2012 19.37 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] [RINGRAZIAMENTI] OSMAnd e mappers Toscani... Mirco grazie per la risposta...ma conosceresti qualche altra App,oltre amap factor che cmq mi permette di fare la simulazione e aggiorna velocemente le mappe?(perchè map factor ha fatto l'ultimo aggiornamento delle mappe a luglio)! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-se] mer i Uppsala : OSM-kurs
Hej! Vi i Uppsala Cykelförening har fått en volontär till vårt uppdrag att arbeta med OSM-kartering till cykelkartan. Kanske kommer det fler ... Vi planerar att göra en OSM-kurs någon gång i oktober / november, med genomgång av OSM i stort, insamling av data och sen JOSM etc. Trolig tid för kursen en lördag kl 10-18 eller något sådant. Frågor: 1. Känner du någon som är intresserad att gå på en sådan kurs? 2. Är du intresserad av att vara med som instruktör? I övrigt: Om du är intresserad av att träffa oss, kom till resecentrum kl 11-13 på lördag (nu 22/9), eller på cykelparad för bilfri dag; se http://ucf.se/bilfri-2012/ /Per Eric -- ^): Per Eric Rosén http://rosnix.net/~per/ / p...@rosnix.net GPG 7A7A BD68 ADC0 01E1 F560 79FD 33D1 1EC3 1EBB 7311___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] OSM-träff i Lund inkommande lördag (22/9)?
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:52:11 +0200, Joakim Fors wrote: Någon som är sugen på att träffas i Lund inkommande lördag (22 sep) kl 19:00 (+ akademisk kvart ;)) för att bara prata lite OSM, kartlägga en del och kanske dricka en öl? Jag tänkte att Gräddhyllan borde fungera som mötesplats då de har wifi, öl samt relativt lugna lokaler. Låter skoj, jag hänger gärna på. /Robert ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] OSM-träff i Lund inkommande lördag (22/9)?
Känns som Gloria's skulle vara bättre val än hyllan. Ska jag ringa och boka ett bord för ~8 där? /Joakim On 20 sep 2012, at 22:12, Johan Emilsson johan.emils...@eupi.org wrote: Är sugen på att delta men en nyligen hemkommen flickvän gör det med största säkerhet inte troligt. Angående lokal så är Ariman fullt möjligt att sitta i fram till iaf 20-21 då de har öppet in i de bakre rummen där inte så mycket folk rör sig. Hade annars föreslagit Carlssons trädgård för något år sedan men de har haft bekymmer med alkoholtillståndet vet jag så det är troligtvis ett nogo-ställe. Någon med mer uppdaterad info? Det är mycket nollningar nu så nationerna är nog fullsatta, men finns det ingen doktorand eller annan med tillgång till universitetslokaler i sällskapet så kan man väl sitta där? /Johan E 2012/9/20 Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org On 20 sep 2012, at 20:51, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Jag vet inte direkt om jag hade tänkt släpa dit min dator men jag har i vilket fall en dongel för mobilt nätverk som jag kan ta med om någon vill låna (om jag hittar den). Jag tror att Telenors installationsprogram ligger på den. Finns det några stillsamma uteställen i centrala Lund en lördagskväll...? Ariman är nog inget alternativ, för där är alltid ett himla liv och det brukar väl vara nattklubbsnivå på musiken där på helgkvällarna. För några år sen satt vi på John Bull på en Wikipediaträff. De har lite lägre ljudnivå, och det gick helt okej att snacka i hyfsat normal samtalston där. Bishop's Arms är väl också helt okej på den fronten. Mycket folk är det ju ändå, och jag vet inte hur det ser ut på internetfronten. Båda två är ju rätt så traditionella pubbar med lite äldre målgrupp. Mjo, Hade funderat på både Bishop's Arms och Glorias. Skulle det inte vara lika höstruskigt så har Gloria's en trevlig uteplats på bakgården. Där vill man dock knappast sitta inkommande lördag. :) /Andreas 2012/9/20 Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Gissar det beror på många variabler hur mycket folk det är där. Var dit och rekognoserade idag och tydligen ljög internet (och mitt minne) om att de skulle ha internet men så var inte fallet. Så har någon något bättre förslag så går det väl bra att byta lokal. Skulle Ebbas skafferi ha öl så hade det varit trevligt ställe. Ariman är ett annat men är minst lika livat som Gräddhyllan. Synd att Vildandspubben har stängt för det hade varit ultimata platsen. Vet inte om kravet på gratis internet är så viktigt. Har tänkt släpa med en extra maskin samt 3G som kan fungera som router samt Maproxy maskin. Men som sagt. Om någon har bättre förslag på mötesplats i centrala Lund så är det bara att skriva. Att de serverar öl är dock ett krav. ;) /Joakim On 20 sep 2012, at 20:30, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Eftersom jag precis råkade vända på mitt dygn hade jag också varit intresserad. Jag har bara varit på Gräddhyllan en gång, men är det inte så att deras inre lokaler är mer stuk av dyrrestaurang, medan de yttre lokalerna brukar vara rätt överfulla? Det var intrycket jag fick då i alla fall, men de kan ju vara fel. 19.15 hade passat bra för min del. /Andreas 2012/9/20 Tobias Johansson t...@mensa.se: Jo jag e nog intresserad. kör bil från gbg då. Den 19 september 2012 23:52 skrev Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Hejsan! Någon som är sugen på att träffas i Lund inkommande lördag (22 sep) kl 19:00 (+ akademisk kvart ;)) för att bara prata lite OSM, kartlägga en del och kanske dricka en öl? Jag tänkte att Gräddhyllan borde fungera som mötesplats då de har wifi, öl samt relativt lugna lokaler. /Joakim ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] OSM-träff i Lund inkommande lördag (22/9)?
Såja, bokat bord för 8 (+ eluttag ;)) till kl 19 i morgon på Glorias. Har själv 3G prylar som jag tänkte ta med och dela ut via Wifi om någon behöver uppkoppling. /Joakim On 21 sep 2012, at 14:14, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Det låter bra, klockan 19.15 då? Önskade någon låna mobilt bredband-dongel? Släpar nog som sagt inte med min dator, även om jag kanske ångrar mig... /Andreas 2012/9/21 Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Känns som Gloria's skulle vara bättre val än hyllan. Ska jag ringa och boka ett bord för ~8 där? /Joakim On 20 sep 2012, at 22:12, Johan Emilsson johan.emils...@eupi.org wrote: Är sugen på att delta men en nyligen hemkommen flickvän gör det med största säkerhet inte troligt. Angående lokal så är Ariman fullt möjligt att sitta i fram till iaf 20-21 då de har öppet in i de bakre rummen där inte så mycket folk rör sig. Hade annars föreslagit Carlssons trädgård för något år sedan men de har haft bekymmer med alkoholtillståndet vet jag så det är troligtvis ett nogo-ställe. Någon med mer uppdaterad info? Det är mycket nollningar nu så nationerna är nog fullsatta, men finns det ingen doktorand eller annan med tillgång till universitetslokaler i sällskapet så kan man väl sitta där? /Johan E 2012/9/20 Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org On 20 sep 2012, at 20:51, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Jag vet inte direkt om jag hade tänkt släpa dit min dator men jag har i vilket fall en dongel för mobilt nätverk som jag kan ta med om någon vill låna (om jag hittar den). Jag tror att Telenors installationsprogram ligger på den. Finns det några stillsamma uteställen i centrala Lund en lördagskväll...? Ariman är nog inget alternativ, för där är alltid ett himla liv och det brukar väl vara nattklubbsnivå på musiken där på helgkvällarna. För några år sen satt vi på John Bull på en Wikipediaträff. De har lite lägre ljudnivå, och det gick helt okej att snacka i hyfsat normal samtalston där. Bishop's Arms är väl också helt okej på den fronten. Mycket folk är det ju ändå, och jag vet inte hur det ser ut på internetfronten. Båda två är ju rätt så traditionella pubbar med lite äldre målgrupp. Mjo, Hade funderat på både Bishop's Arms och Glorias. Skulle det inte vara lika höstruskigt så har Gloria's en trevlig uteplats på bakgården. Där vill man dock knappast sitta inkommande lördag. :) /Andreas 2012/9/20 Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Gissar det beror på många variabler hur mycket folk det är där. Var dit och rekognoserade idag och tydligen ljög internet (och mitt minne) om att de skulle ha internet men så var inte fallet. Så har någon något bättre förslag så går det väl bra att byta lokal. Skulle Ebbas skafferi ha öl så hade det varit trevligt ställe. Ariman är ett annat men är minst lika livat som Gräddhyllan. Synd att Vildandspubben har stängt för det hade varit ultimata platsen. Vet inte om kravet på gratis internet är så viktigt. Har tänkt släpa med en extra maskin samt 3G som kan fungera som router samt Maproxy maskin. Men som sagt. Om någon har bättre förslag på mötesplats i centrala Lund så är det bara att skriva. Att de serverar öl är dock ett krav. ;) /Joakim On 20 sep 2012, at 20:30, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Eftersom jag precis råkade vända på mitt dygn hade jag också varit intresserad. Jag har bara varit på Gräddhyllan en gång, men är det inte så att deras inre lokaler är mer stuk av dyrrestaurang, medan de yttre lokalerna brukar vara rätt överfulla? Det var intrycket jag fick då i alla fall, men de kan ju vara fel. 19.15 hade passat bra för min del. /Andreas 2012/9/20 Tobias Johansson t...@mensa.se: Jo jag e nog intresserad. kör bil från gbg då. Den 19 september 2012 23:52 skrev Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Hejsan! Någon som är sugen på att träffas i Lund inkommande lördag (22 sep) kl 19:00 (+ akademisk kvart ;)) för att bara prata lite OSM, kartlägga en del och kanske dricka en öl? Jag tänkte att Gräddhyllan borde fungera som mötesplats då de har wifi, öl samt relativt lugna lokaler. /Joakim ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se
Re: [Talk-at] Turn-Restrictions bei Beschleunigungsspuren und Co.
Am 20.09.2012 22:15, schrieb Daniel Kraft: Ich hab keine Ahnung, ob so etwas erlaubt wäre und explizit Schilder stehen müssen, um das zu verbieten, Eine Sperrlinie (die ja meistens vor/nach Kreuzungen vorhanden ist) sollte als Grund für die Turn-Restriction imho reichen. aber ich halte es zumindest in diesen Fällen durchaus für sinnvoll, wenn das Navi klipp und klar weiß, dass es so etwas an der entsprechenden Kreuzung nicht machen soll. Oder denkt ihr, dass das besser über entsprechende Heuristiken (highway-Typ, wie nahe die Auffahrt zur Abfahrt ist, wie scharf die Wende wäre, ...) gelöst werden sollte? Weiß jemand, ob man so eine Wende grundsätzlich machen dürfte / sollte? Ich finde Heuristiken immer gefährlich, da steckt ja schon in der Definition des Wortes drin, dass es in 10% der Fälle nicht hinhaut - wenn es explizit gemappt ist, braucht die Heuristik erst garnicht versuchen zu raten ;-) Liebe Grüße, Daniel lg, Michi ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] YA Hausnummern in Wien
On 12.08.2012 00:48, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 25.07.2012 13:59, Stefan Nagy wrote: wollte nur sagen, dass ich die Idee sehr gut finde und fragen, ob du das Proposal schreiben wirst. Ich hab jetzt einen Draft angelegt: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses Ihr könnt es gern verbessern und/oder euch als zusätzliche Proponenten eintragen, bevor der RFC rausgeht. Mit Verbessern oder als Proponenten eintragen meinte ich nicht, dass alle reinschreiben I oppose this. Erst waren alle dafür, doch kaum war der Draft angelegt, da war er noch gar nicht fertig, hagelte es nur noch Ablehnungen. Ich habe ihn jetzt trotzdem auf RFC gesetzt, hab schon eine Menge Arbeit hineingesteckt, und jetzt ist es um so frustrierender, dass alle nur herumnörgeln ohne das Proposal richtig gelesen zu haben. Ich werde jetzt sicher nicht als Einzelkämpfer a la Eckhart Wörner auf alles antworten. Also bleibt das Proposal halt liegen und kriegt irgendwann Status abandoned. Aber danach taggen kann man trotzdem... Hier nochmal der Link: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses Bei der Gelegenheit habe ich auch folgendes Proposal auf RFC gestellt: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcross Das ist insbesondere in AT von Bedeutung, wegen der vielen Gipfelkreuze. Das anderwärtig vorgeschlagene summit:cross=yes auf den Gipfelnode halte ich für verfehlt, erstens weil das Kreuz einen anderen Namen haben kann als der Gipfel, und zweitens weil das Gipfelkreuz zig Meter vom Gipfel entfernt stehen kann. Und jene Kreuze, die weder Weg- noch Gipfelkreuze sind, würden erst wieder nicht abgedeckt werden. Z.B. das auf der Donaubrücke bei Pöchlarn ist sicher kein Gipfelkreuz... -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-cz] tagování cukrárny
Ahoj všichni, jak tagujete cukrárny? Asi nejbližší termín z těch dostupných by byl confectionery. Ale ono je to shop=confectionery, a podle obrázků na wiki je to spíš prodejna sladkostí než cukrárna kde se dá posedět... Přitom místa, kde se jí (a ne jen nakupuje), zřejmě tak nějak přirozeně spadají pod amenity=*. Až na to že tam zase nic cukrárně odpovídajícího není, nejbližší je asi kavárna. Což ovšem cukrárna v drtivé většině případů je... Tak jsem z toho jelen. Hezký den! Vláďa ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] JOSM installé dans un domaine
Effectivement, je parlais de domaine d'utilisateurs. Le problème est que je n'ai pas les droits d'administrateur de mon poste et que l'administrateur a installé JOSM avec son profil. JOSM étant installé sur mon poste, même s'il est dans un profil différent, c'est bizarre que je ne puisse pas y avoir accès, non? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/JOSM-installe-dans-un-domaine-tp5726552p5726629.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] JOSM installé dans un domaine
Non c'est normal. Ce qui est stocké dans les répertoires privés d'un compte utilisateur n'est pas accessible à un autre. Télécharge le JNLP parmi tes fichiers (tu peux laisser le fichier JNLP dans le répertoire de téléchargement par défaut du navigateur), et tu n'as plus qu'à l'exécuter pour qu'il installe une copie à toi de JOSM (ce sera stocké dans le deployment cache par défaut installé dans ton propre compte utilisateur), et une icône à toi sur ton bureau (et pas le sien). Une icône que tu peux déplacer dans la barre d'icône si tu préfères. Chacun sur le poste gère alors sa propre version de JOSM : tu pourrais choisir le JNLP des versions en développement ou le JNLP des versions stables, tu peux même vouloir les deux, chacune des versions ne s'écrasant pas mutuellement dans ton cache de déploiement Java. Et chacun travaille avec ses propres préférences dans ses propres dossiers personnels, et ses propres fichiers .osm d'import/export. Pour des tonnes de raisons (restrictions de sécurité sur un domaine), l'installation partagée entre tous les utilisateurs ne marche pas bien puisque pour le supporter il faudrait sans arrêt dans le code réaliser des impersonations, pour modifier certains fichiers partagés, dont le code JAR lui-même lors des mises à jour, et qu'une telle impersonnation demanderait sans arrêt une autorisation de l'administrateur de domaine (et tu te prendrais aussi les alertes Windows pour une tentative d'accès à l'administrateur). D'ailleurs ce n'est pas propre à Windows car le même problème peut se poser également sous Linux, où l'installation par JNLP est également recommandée (cela se fera là aussi dans le dossier de déploiement personnel pour Java, lequel est créé dans un dossier Java créé dans le /home/~ de l'utilisateur, et où Java stocke les données propres à l'utilisateur). Tant pis si cela duplique du code (les JAR) copié dans chaque espace utilisateur (ce qui n'est pas garanti car chacun gère ses versions). JOSM ne doit requérir pour fonctionner aucune autorisation de l'administrateur local ou du domaine. La seule chose qui est partagée c'est la machine virtuelle Java elle-même (à installer sur ton poste par l'administrateur) : le JRE standard suffit. A toi de paramétrer alors dans ton compte utilisateur la version de Java à utiliser (consulte le panneau de configuration Java standard pour définir ta machine virtuelle préférée s'il y a plusieurs versions de Java installées, ce qui est courant sur un poste pour le développement Java, où on trouve un JDK et souvent plusieurs JRE dans des versions différentes), et où tu veux créer ton dossier personnel pour le ache de déploiement si tu n'utilises pas le dossier proposé par défaut auquel tu devrais avoir les droits d'accès dans ton home directory personnel. Le 21 septembre 2012 08:10, Tony Emery tony.em...@yahoo.fr a écrit : Effectivement, je parlais de domaine d'utilisateurs. Le problème est que je n'ai pas les droits d'administrateur de mon poste et que l'administrateur a installé JOSM avec son profil. JOSM étant installé sur mon poste, même s'il est dans un profil différent, c'est bizarre que je ne puisse pas y avoir accès, non? ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
