Re: [Talk-hr] SRTM za Hrvatsku i Europu?
valent.turko...@gmail.com napisa: Ekipa znam da se može naći ali mi ne ide pa ako netko može me uputiti gdje skinuti SRTM za Hrvatsku to bi mi puno pomoglo. Na ovom linku http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version1/Eurasia/ Za Hrvatsku tražiš N45E16 i sl. datoteke. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [OSM-talk] Details about wooded belt in Saratov Oblast?
Also see The Plough that Broke the Steppes: Agriculture and Environment on Russia's Grasslands, 1700-1914 by David Moon - Oxford University Press, 2013 where the Saratov shelter belts are described as being planted in the 1870/1880's era. Phillip PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 207 430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk WWW.ITN.CO.UK Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? From: malenki o...@malenki.ch Sent: 25 January 2014 05:57 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Details about wooded belt in Saratov Oblast? On 25.01.2014 00:08, osm@0sg.net wrote: First of all, my sincere thanks go to everyone who sent a reply to my question. :) Am 24.01.2014 07:22, schrieb Ilya Zverev - zve...@textual.ru: Hi! Sadly there is no English version of that wiki page, but you can read about that and other forest belts using google translation: http://tinyurl.com/windforest . Ilya, your link was crucial for me in understanding what those forest belts are all about. Thanks! I'd like to thank for that link too. Some years ago I read in one of Bernhard Grzimek's¹ books (from ~1965) about big wood belts planned in the Soviet Union. He believed that this was a good idea (I too) and that the descendants of the planters would be thankful to their ancestors. But doing research at that time I could not find nothing about these woods. Now I have to dig through the books to add another source to that Russian Wikipedia page. Regards malenki ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Grzimek ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] How to Tag Closed Airport
An airport recently closed. How should it be tagged? The airfield is still there, it just not operational. http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/107422#map=15/46.2171/-119.2058layers=N website of field announcing closure: http://www.vistafield.org/ -- Clifford @osm_seattle OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to Tag Closed Airport
I favor disused=yes, perhaps with access=no and a note=. The wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disused would favor disused:aeroway=aerodrome -Byce Notes 1) Were there an objectnote:en= feature meant for display in map clients, this would be a good addition also. Note 2) While not relevant here, the OSM lifecycle tags are missing a number of steps: broken when last observed is the lifecycle stage I most frequently want to map. There's also under construction but not finished when last observed. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-br] Usar imagem via satélites do Mapbox no OSM.
Olá Comunidade, Como faço para usar as imagem via satélites do Mapbox no editor ID do Openstreetmap? Abraços ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Usar imagem via satélites do Mapbox no OSM.
Você só pode utilizar o Mapbox até o nível 12 de zoom (que vai dar para traçar grosseiramente objetos muito grandes, mas não objetos menores e mais detalhados). Níveis maiores não podem: = Mapbox grants You a license to use zoom levels 0-12 of the Mapbox “Satellite” layer to produce derivative datasets for commercial and non-commercial purposes. Satellite imagery at zoom levels 13 and higher is provided by DigitalGlobe. Producing derivative datasets from DigitalGlobe imagery is strictly prohibited. = https://www.mapbox.com/tos/ ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Usar imagem via satélites do Mapbox no OSM.
Olá Nelson, Ok, mas como eu faço isso? alias, eu vou conseguir traçar as ruas? pois é esse o meu objetivo. 2014-01-25 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com Você só pode utilizar o Mapbox até o nível 12 de zoom (que vai dar para traçar grosseiramente objetos muito grandes, mas não objetos menores e mais detalhados). Níveis maiores não podem: = Mapbox grants You a license to use zoom levels 0-12 of the Mapbox “Satellite” layer to produce derivative datasets for commercial and non-commercial purposes. Satellite imagery at zoom levels 13 and higher is provided by DigitalGlobe. Producing derivative datasets from DigitalGlobe imagery is strictly prohibited. = https://www.mapbox.com/tos/ ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Usar imagem via satélites do Mapbox no OSM.
2014-01-25 Igor Lemos igorlem...@gmail.com: Ok, mas como eu faço isso? alias, eu vou conseguir traçar as ruas? pois é esse o meu objetivo. Para mim não é utilizável para esse propósito. Por exemplo, em Registro o nível máximo de zoom permitido para traçar: http://i.imgur.com/liF34os.png Dá para traçar grosseiramente rios largos e rodovias grandes (quando essas não têm imagens no Bing ou tracks de GPS). ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Usar imagem via satélites do Mapbox no OSM.
Como posso conseguir imagens para mapear? tem alguma outra forma? Em 25 de janeiro de 2014 21:03, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.comescreveu: 2014-01-25 Igor Lemos igorlem...@gmail.com: Ok, mas como eu faço isso? alias, eu vou conseguir traçar as ruas? pois é esse o meu objetivo. Para mim não é utilizável para esse propósito. Por exemplo, em Registro o nível máximo de zoom permitido para traçar: http://i.imgur.com/liF34os.png Dá para traçar grosseiramente rios largos e rodovias grandes (quando essas não têm imagens no Bing ou tracks de GPS). ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Usar imagem via satélites do Mapbox no OSM.
2014-01-25 Igor Lemos igorlem...@gmail.com: Como posso conseguir imagens para mapear? tem alguma outra forma? Se não tiver no Bing pode-se utilizar tracks de GPS. Não conheço outros mapas disponíveis para o Brasil, no entanto. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Usar imagem via satélites do Mapbox no OSM.
Autorização para importação no OpenStreetMap, seguindo as regras da Open Database License. http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright []s Arlindo 2014-01-25 Igor Lemos igorlem...@gmail.com Se eu for solicitar mapas com a prefeitura da cidade, que tipo de autorização eu preciso pedir para não ter problemas com o OSM? Em 25 de janeiro de 2014 21:08, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.comescreveu: 2014-01-25 Igor Lemos igorlem...@gmail.com: Como posso conseguir imagens para mapear? tem alguma outra forma? Se não tiver no Bing pode-se utilizar tracks de GPS. Não conheço outros mapas disponíveis para o Brasil, no entanto. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] [Cocar] [RJ] Alterações viárias no Centro com a segunda fase da demolição da Perimetral
Geaquinto fez as alterações do item 2) http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20161185 e eu as do item 3) http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20204405 vamo que vamo! =) []s Arlindo 2014-01-23 Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com Fiz agora o upload das alterações, de forma que as mudanças poderão ser acompanhadas pelo changeset a seguir. Se alguém quiser revisar as alterações, será muito bem-vindo. http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20170127 Marcelo, infelizmente não salvei uma cópia do .osm original. Vou fazer isso das próximas vezes. []s Arlindo 2014/1/21 Marcelo Pereira pereirahol...@gmail.com Arlindo, Não sei se é isso q vc comentou sobre visualizar as alterações, mas comigo eu faço o seguinte ( lembro que uso o ubuntu ) - Como imagino que vc esteja baixando partes do mapa via JOSM, salve o arquivo inicial, sem qualuqer alteração, digamos RJ_original.osm - Crie uma cópia deste arquivo, digamos para RJ_atualizado.osm, e neste faça altere tudo o que quiser. - Use a ferramenta Osmosis ( http://goo.gl/M0YVl ) para criar um arquivo de diferenças entre 2 arquivos .osm, exemplo osmosis --read-xml file=RJ_atualizado.osm --read-xml file=RJ_original.osm --derive-change --write-xml-change file=RJ_mudancas.osc Veja que a ordem dos arquivos no comando é indicar primeiro o alterado e depois o original, isso é importante para identificar corretamente o que foi alterado. O arquivo .osc gerado pode ser aberto no JOSM, e até usado para fazer o upload. Se o arquivo abrir no JOSM mas não aparecer nada na tela, é só usar o comando Update, que atualizará os nodes ( que não foram incluídos no .osc ) e assim tudo fica visível. Eu uso esse artificio nos processamentos que estou fazendo dos mapas estaduais ( veja post no talk-br http://goo.gl/ZQgfCr ) Att, Marcelo Pereira Em 21 de janeiro de 2014 21:53, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Marcio, bacana a alteração nas cercanias do aeroporto. Raramente passo por ali - e geralmente de ônibus - mas considero ser muito importante manter as vias da região atualizadas. Quanto a alteração que estou fazendo neste primeiro passo, estou modificando somente as tags de estacionamento de rua (parking:lane:[side]=no_parking), acredito que o GPS que vocês utilizam nos carros não traz essa informação (nenhum traz, eu acho). Me refiro a este conjunto de tags: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane Essa informação nem poderia ser traduzida num POI de estacionamento (considerando POI como um ponto), se não teríamos uma parede de POIs de estacionamentos por toda a cidade, o que não faz muito sentido. Essas alterações são de baixo interesse, por assim dizer, pois só podem ser vistas neste renderizador específico, veja como está o Centro do Rio neste momento: http://parking.openstreetmap.de/?zoom=15lat=-22.90688lon=-43.18074layers=B00FT Os outros passos serão mais fáceis, úteis e divertidos de se fazer =) 2014/1/17 thunder...@gpsinfo.com.br Arlindo, vinha eu mantendo o mapa do Rio de Janeiro para o Tracksource e para manter aquele mapa atualizado, tinha eu me inscrito em diversos sites da Prefeitura onde alterações e interdições da malha viária eram informadas. Algumas vezes a situação não ocorria na data prevista e isso me dava muito trabalho de reversão. Por vezes me deparo com situações não divulgadas como por exemplo a chegada no Aeroporto Internacional do Rio de Janeiro já editada por mim no mapa. Se observar a edição interromperam a pista da Av 20 de Janeiro em direção ao aeroporto porque no trecho estão ampliando o viaduto ali existente para comportar a faixa da Transcarioca. Para essa “demorada obra” construíram uma via de acesso aos terminais 2 e 1 e para se chegar ao Terminal 1 é uma volta grande. Qualquer decisão sobre manter a circulação no Rio de Janeiro atualizada é bem vinda e pode contar comigo nessa empreitada. []s Marcio *From:* Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com *Sent:* Friday, January 17, 2014 5:21 PM *To:* OSM talk-br talk-br@openstreetmap.org ; Cooperativa de Cartografia Digital Livre co...@cocardl.com.br *Subject:* [Cocar] [RJ] Alterações viárias no Centro com a segunda fase da demolição da Perimetral Olá amigos mapeadores do Rio de Janeiro, o projeto de derrubada de Perimetral começará em janeiro uma segunda fase. Vejam detalhes no link a seguir: http://www.rio.rj.gov.br/web/smtr/exibeconteudo?id=4552877 Durante a primeira fase, éramos basicamente somente eu Geaquinto mapeando de forma contínua aqui no Rio de Janeiro, de forma que discutimos as alterações somente entre nós. Como agora somos mais mapeadores, acredito que possamos discutir as alterações coletivamente. Proponho que construamos coletivamente os changesets, os discutamos aqui na lista, e quando estivermos todos de acordo, fazemos o upload na hora exata da alteração viária em questão (eu posso fazer
Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Ortsnamen in Osteuropa
Am Freitag, 24. Januar 2014, 21:21:43 schrieb Richard Z.: inmitten der Ukraine Das Beispiel ist gut gewählt. Südliche Ukraine, bekannt als Bessarabien, ist durchaus ein multikulturelles Gebiet. Nicht nur gewesen, auch jetzt. Neben vielen Nationalitäten natürlich, Rumänen, Moldauer, Polen, Tataren, Deutsche. Um nur die wichtigsten zu nennen. War vor zwei Jahren in Sarata http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarata und konnte mich mit einem Bulgaren auf Russisch unterhalten :-) Obwohl eine Deutsche Ortsgründung wurde der Name aus dem Rumänischen genommen und klingt irgendwie Ukrainisch, oder? Den können wir doch mit name:de lassen. Wir sollten das aber auch mit Akkerman so tun. Aktuell: name:de=Bilhorod-Dnistrowskyj name:en=Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi name:hu=Dnyeszterfehérvár name:ro=Cetatea Albă name:ru=Белгород-Днестровский name:tr=Akkerman name:uk=Білгород-Дністровський name=Білгород-Дністровський old_name=Тіра, Акерман gibt es neben Ukrainisch für Ungarisch, Rumänisch, Türkisch und Russisch den in diesen Sprachen gebräuchlichen Namen. Warum aber für Deutsch die Umschreibung? Und nicht name:de=Akkerman mushroommapper hat es mit Gnadental in Bessarabien so gemacht: name:de=Doliniwka/Gnadental vielleicht auch ein gangbarer Weg. -- mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz-Jürgen Oertel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Ortsnamen in Osteuropa
Am 24.01.2014 21:36, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: finde ich gut, alle Namen die es in Sprachen und Dialekten gibt für einen Ort, dort auch einzutragen. old_name ist in erster Linie für ehemalige Namen, wenn es einen neuen Namen gibt in dieser Sprache. Nein, old_name ist für Namen, die bei den Sprechern dieser Sprache nicht mehr gebräuchlich sind. Ob sie heute stattdessen einen neuen Namen in ihrer Sprache oder einen aus einer anderen Sprache verwenden, ist für die Einstufung als old_name egal. Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] I dati sui civici resi disponibili da ISTAT per metà Febbraio?
Diciamo che sarebbe un buon inizio per poi migliorarli sul campo. Il giorno 25 gennaio 2014 08:52, Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com ha scritto: speriamo! dai che forse piano piano anche l'italia si allinea agli altri paesi civili in termini di opendata. I numeri civici per tutte le città sopra i 2 abitanti non sarebbe male anche se sospetto risulterebbero in molti casi comunque di qualità inferiore alla mappatura diretta da parte dei mappers osm - Ciao, Aury -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/I-dati-sui-civici-resi-disponibili-da-ISTAT-per-meta-Febbraio-tp5794148p5794294.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Import assistito
A proposito del problema di import citato i questo thread [1] sto valutando un server SVN (subversion) per la distribuzione tra più utenti dei lavori sul codice (nel nostro caso sui file .osm). In sintesi tale server mantiene una copia di partenza del file e memorizza tutte le modifiche che gli utenti generano con le loro sessioni di editing (un po' come il sistema dei changeset). Questo metodo potrebbe aiutare alcuni casi di import che dovrebbero essere affrontati in modo assistito. Se ISTAT apre la grande risorsa dei numeri civici, posizionandoli però solo sul centroide del poligono al quale appartengono, si deteriora l'usabilità del dato per elementi grandi (conodomini, magazzini, centri commerciali ecc). Si presenta quindi la necessità di un lavoro distribuito preliminare all'upload. Il file viene messo sul server SVN, gli utenti istallano un client (per esempio RapidSVN) che si presenta come un esplora risorse esteso, il quale però gestisce anche le versioni ed i conflitti sul file in lavoro. - si apre il file con l'applicazione dedicata (p.es. JOSM), - si taglia gli elementi che si intende editare - su un nuovo layer i fanno le sistemazioni (i civici al posto giusto) e upload in OSM - si esegue un commit rimettendo le modifiche (il file originario meno gli elementi tagliati) sul server [1] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Quanti-civici-avete-inseriti-td5784993.html - -- cascafico.altervista.org twitter.com/cascafico -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Import-assistito-tp5794345.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] ref:corine_land_cover=*
Mi sto dilettando nell'import della copertura del suolo dell'Emila Romagna Suggerirei l'utilizzo del TAG: ref:corine_land_cover=* magari da estendere a tutte le regioni italiane Che ne dite? Ciao Beppe ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-ar] Convención Transporte Público Argentina
Por las dudas aviso por acá, para que estén todos al tanto y puedan opinar, como algunos ya saben armé una wiki especial para todo el transporte público de Argentina, la misma tiene convenciones para las lineas de bondi, que deben ser aprobadas y discutidas por los demás. La convención para trenes la dejo para mas adelante por ahora. La idea es que esta wiki sea la primera que cualquiera pueda ver antes de ir a las de las ciudades. Por ahora, y hasta que me den el OK, la wiki solo está accesible desde el link de abajo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tran … _Argentinahttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Transporte_p%C3%BAblico_Argentina Cualquier aporte, opinión, corrección que quiran hacer, por favor hacerlo en el foro: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=22816p=2 Saludos, Agustín. ___ Talk-ar mailing list Talk-ar@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ar
[Talk-at] Template für Lizenzverstoss-Hinweismail
Hallo, gibt es Templates für Mails an Webseitenbetreiber die eine OSM-Karte ohne Lizenzhinweis auf ihrer Seite haben? Konkreter Fall: http://www.bk-faserverbundtechnik.at/shop/ lg, Florian ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ajouter passage train manuel?
Bonjour Je pense à du : railway=crossing crossing=* Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Shop Brands
Bonjour, En me promenant dans les données, je tombe sur un magasin Gifi sans tag shop. Pour voir comment c'est taggé ailleurs, je charge les données taginfo.fr. Il y a 11 valeurs différentes pour 61 objets. clothes department_store discount doityourself furniture general gift harware interior_decoration variety_store yes De plus, taginfo.fr indique : 71 Gifi, 24 GIFI, 18 GiFi. Une grosse dispersion qui diminue la pertinence de l'info. Je crains que ce genre de dispersion existe pour nombre d'enseignes à couverture nationale. On peut envisager une page wiki (avec un template) et un outil osmose pour harmoniser ce genre de chose ? Un peu comme le tagwatchcleaner[1]. Avant de lancer une page sur le wiki, j'attends vos réactions, vos idées sur la méthodologie et vos suggestions sur les critères de filtre. De plus, il y a longtemps que je n'ai plus le code en local pour le filtre tagwatchcleaner pour construire un filtre en interaction avec une page wiki. [1] http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/?item=3030 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/TagwatchCleaner -- FrViPofm ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Shop Brands
Bonjour Le 25/01/2014 11:00, Vincent Pottier a écrit : De plus, taginfo.fr indique : 71 Gifi, 24 GIFI, 18 GiFi. d'après [1], c'est « GiFi » . [1] http://www.rhtalents.gifi.fr/notre-histoire.html -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] GPS pour enregistrer ses traces
Bonjour, j'ai souhaité vous faire connaitre un nouveau projet qui me semble intéressant pour les personnes qui souhaitent produire des traces GPS (GPX ...). Il s'agit de modules compatibles Arduino, de petites tailles et très bon marché. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/navspark-arduino-compatible-with-gps-gnss-receiver/x/6111015 L'auteur du projet vient d'ajouter un module avec carte microSD et batterie : http://www.skytraq.com.tw/Adapter2.pdf Cyrille ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Shop Brands
Bonjour Le 25/01/2014 11:06, David Crochet a écrit : Bonjour Le 25/01/2014 11:00, Vincent Pottier a écrit : De plus, taginfo.fr indique : 71 Gifi, 24 GIFI, 18 GiFi. d'après [1], c'est « GiFi » . [1] http://www.rhtalents.gifi.fr/notre-histoire.html Pour éviter des annulations sur des supposées erreurs par la suite , je propose : name=GiFi alt_name = Gifi official_name = GiFi source:name=http://www.rhtalents.gifi.fr/notre-histoire.html Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] GPS pour enregistrer ses traces
Bonjour, Ne pas manquer la possibilité d'acheter un lot de 2 modules équipés de puces GPS skytraq S1315F qui sont suportés par RTKlib pour faire du positionnement de précision. Plutôt sympa également la possibilité d'utiliser des antennes externes. Et 50€ pour l'ensemble, c'est vraiment pas cher. L'idéal aurait été d'avoir une formule en Raw multi-constellation. Tant pis. Un billet du blog de Michele Bavaro donne un bon état des lieux de la situation fin 2013 / début 2014 : http://michelebavaro.blogspot.fr/2013/12/wrapping-up-2013-gnss-facts.html Le 25 janvier 2014 11:11, Cyrille DERORY cyrille.der...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Bonjour, j'ai souhaité vous faire connaitre un nouveau projet qui me semble intéressant pour les personnes qui souhaitent produire des traces GPS (GPX ...). Il s'agit de modules compatibles Arduino, de petites tailles et très bon marché. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/navspark-arduino-compatible-with-gps-gnss-receiver/x/6111015 L'auteur du projet vient d'ajouter un module avec carte microSD et batterie : http://www.skytraq.com.tw/Adapter2.pdf Cyrille ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- ab_fab http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ab_fab Il n'y a pas de pas perdus, Nadja ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] USOSM sur quel way ?
Bonjour, Le 25/01/2014 08:57, Ista Pouss a écrit : Bonjour, Je vous ai parlé il y a qq temps de ma petite appli USOSM qui permet de découvrir de nouveaux contributeurs un peu confirmés dans une région donnée. L'idée en avait été proposée dans une discussion sur cette liste. Elle se trouve à http://88.191.156.81:8080/usosm/ et le projet github à https://github.com/Iratetou/usosm Mais je n'ai eu que peu de réponse à mon annonce, et les issues du projet github restent vides. Pourtant, si je regarde les logs, il y a quelques utilisateurs... Des personnes recherchent les nouveaux contributeurs sur l'Auvergne, la Haute Normandie, l'Aquitaine, ou les Pays de la Loire je le vois, tout est pisté, vous savez bien, sur internet ;-) Je me permets cette relance, car ma petite appli ne trouvera jamais un large public ; c'est un éventuel outil parmi les outils de suivi d'osm, c'est tout. , mais j'ai tout de même besoin que les quelques personnes qui utilisent ça me disent ce qu'il en pensent, si ça marche, si c'est seulement utile (peut être qu''ils ont mis ça dans un lecteur de feeds et qu'ils l'ont oublié ensuite ? ), dans quelle direction il faut que je mène les évolutions, etc. j'avoue l'avoir rentré dans un lecteur de feeds (donc une des pistes en aquitaine, c'est moi, je suis fiché!). En quelques mots sachant que je n'ai pour l'instant passé que le temps nécessaire à l'ajout du flux : * théoriquement intéressant comme outil car pour moi il vient à point nommé pour l'évaluation du projet openaquimap.org, qui vise à favoriser la contribution en aquitaine autour d'osm (suivi de l'apparition de nouveaux contributeurs suite à des formation, carto, ...) * imagine pouvoir suivre ainsi l'impact de formation et carto sur un territoire donné, * peut permettre d'interpeller des personnes s'investissant dans osm, si ils souhaitent participer et rencontrer d'autres contributeurs sans forcément connaître la communauté, * je ne suis pas sur mon ordi de boulot, mais dans mon souvenir j'ai bien quelques flux qui ont signalé de nouveaux contributeursdonc cela semble marcher Mon petit retour, merci, cordialement. -- Vincent Bergeot ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Sélectionner les nœuds d'une voie dans JOSM
Bonsoir, Une idée de suggestion que je souhaitais soumettre à la communauté avant d’envisager la création d'un ticket. Éditant beaucoup de lignes électriques, il faut apposer des tags à la fois sur la voie elle-même et sur les nœuds. La sélection à la main des nœuds est fastidieuse, consomme du temps et je ne trouve pas de moyen simple de sélectionner tous ces noeuds d'un coup. Aussi serait-il pertinent de fournir une entrée du menu sélection permettant de transformer la sélection d'une voie par la sélection de ses nœuds. Si cela existe déjà, je n'ai vraiment pas trouvé le raccourci :( Bonne soirée. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sélectionner les nœuds d'une voie dans JOSM
Le 25/01/2014 23:06, François Lacombe a écrit : Bonsoir, Une idée de suggestion que je souhaitais soumettre à la communauté avant d’envisager la création d'un ticket. Éditant beaucoup de lignes électriques, il faut apposer des tags à la fois sur la voie elle-même et sur les nœuds. La sélection à la main des nœuds est fastidieuse, consomme du temps et je ne trouve pas de moyen simple de sélectionner tous ces noeuds d'un coup. Aussi serait-il pertinent de fournir une entrée du menu sélection permettant de transformer la sélection d'une voie par la sélection de ses nœuds. Si cela existe déjà, je n'ai vraiment pas trouvé le raccourci :( Ctrl+Shift+N Il faut le greffon UtilsPlugin2 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Plugin/UtilsPlugin2 Bonne soirée. Librement, -- Christophe Merlet (RedFox) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sélectionner les nœuds d'une voie dans JOSM
Bonsoir, Le 25/01/2014 23:10, Christophe Merlet a écrit : Le 25/01/2014 23:06, François Lacombe a écrit : Si cela existe déjà, je n'ai vraiment pas trouvé le raccourci :( Ctrl+Shift+N Il faut le greffon UtilsPlugin2 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Plugin/UtilsPlugin2 Variante sans greffon : une fois le way sélectionné, taper dans le menu Rechercher : child selected vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sélectionner les nœuds d'une voie dans JOSM
Un grand merci ! *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com Le 25 janvier 2014 23:10, Christophe Merlet red...@redfoxcenter.org a écrit : Le 25/01/2014 23:06, François Lacombe a écrit : Bonsoir, Une idée de suggestion que je souhaitais soumettre à la communauté avant d’envisager la création d'un ticket. Éditant beaucoup de lignes électriques, il faut apposer des tags à la fois sur la voie elle-même et sur les nœuds. La sélection à la main des nœuds est fastidieuse, consomme du temps et je ne trouve pas de moyen simple de sélectionner tous ces noeuds d'un coup. Aussi serait-il pertinent de fournir une entrée du menu sélection permettant de transformer la sélection d'une voie par la sélection de ses nœuds. Si cela existe déjà, je n'ai vraiment pas trouvé le raccourci :( Ctrl+Shift+N Il faut le greffon UtilsPlugin2 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Plugin/UtilsPlugin2 Bonne soirée. Librement, -- Christophe Merlet (RedFox) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sélectionner les nœuds d'une voie dans JOSM
Je crois que le validator hurle quand il y a une ligne électrique avec des nœuds sans tags. Il permet d'appliquer le tag de pilier automatiquement aux nœuds correspondants. Greg 2014/1/25 François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu Un grand merci ! *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com Le 25 janvier 2014 23:10, Christophe Merlet red...@redfoxcenter.org a écrit : Le 25/01/2014 23:06, François Lacombe a écrit : Bonsoir, Une idée de suggestion que je souhaitais soumettre à la communauté avant d’envisager la création d'un ticket. Éditant beaucoup de lignes électriques, il faut apposer des tags à la fois sur la voie elle-même et sur les nœuds. La sélection à la main des nœuds est fastidieuse, consomme du temps et je ne trouve pas de moyen simple de sélectionner tous ces noeuds d'un coup. Aussi serait-il pertinent de fournir une entrée du menu sélection permettant de transformer la sélection d'une voie par la sélection de ses nœuds. Si cela existe déjà, je n'ai vraiment pas trouvé le raccourci :( Ctrl+Shift+N Il faut le greffon UtilsPlugin2 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Plugin/UtilsPlugin2 Bonne soirée. Librement, -- Christophe Merlet (RedFox) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sélectionner les nœuds d'une voie dans JOSM
On 01/25/2014 11:20 PM, Vincent de Château-Thierry wrote: Le 25/01/2014 23:10, Christophe Merlet a écrit : Le 25/01/2014 23:06, François Lacombe a écrit : Si cela existe déjà, je n'ai vraiment pas trouvé le raccourci :( Ctrl+Shift+N Il faut le greffon UtilsPlugin2 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Plugin/UtilsPlugin2 Variante sans greffon : une fois le way sélectionné, taper dans le menu Rechercher : child selected Je n'arrive pas à croire que François, fan de lignes électriques, ait survécu jusqu'à maintenant sans ça... J'ai tenu le temps d'une seule ligne HT faite à la main avant d'aller trouver une méthode pour étiqueter les pylones... Le faire sans c'est héroïque ! ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Government Licence
Hi All, Okay, I'm going to take a different approach and look at the original intention of the OS OpenData initiative (ignoring OpenStreetMap). Not that this relates to the original OS OpenData product. A) Following public consultation [1]: Central government has negotiated a commercial agreement with Ordnance Survey for the licence for OS OpenData and for its ongoing maintenance. As set out above, this licence will allow the data to be used and re-used for free by the public, including for commercial use. --Quote from paragraph 3.14 of the consultation government response [2]. B) From the same document (paragraph 3.8): The modified package of datasets to be released has been named OS OpenData(tm). This will provide access to a set of Ordnance Survey products free of charge and without restrictions on use and re-use. C) The Ordnance Survey are financially compensated for this: Our revenue recognition policy for OS OpenData has resulted in £20m of new revenue in 2010-11, which comprises a fee for the data and a service element to reflect the additional annual cost of serving a wider customer base, including royalties and transaction costs. -- Quote from page 10 of OS's Annual Report and Accounts 2010-11 [3] D) Current confusion over the exact licence has been raised with the regulator, the Office of Public Sector Information (OPSI), and with the Open Data User Group (ODUG). ODUG has put forward a paper requesting that the licence be simplified (i.e. to adopt the standard OGL). Please continue to file complaints with OPSI. E) Whilst we are waiting for this, I suggest that the best next step is to put a FOI request in for a copy of the commercial agreement between Central government (DCLG) and the OS to see if their OS OpenData licence is in breach of this agreement. Any volunteers? Regards, Rob [1] Policy options for geographic information from Ordnance Survey [2] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/government-response-os-consultation.pdf [3] http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/hc1012/hc11/1188/1188.pdf ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Government Licence
Rob, I think you just did ;-) Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 25/01/2014 16:58, Rob Nickerson wrote: Any volunteers? Regards, Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Government Licence
On 24 January 2014 11:00, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: If you read to the end of the OGL, you'll find that it helpfully says: These terms are compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution License 4.0 and the Open Data Commons Attribution License, both of which license copyright and database rights. This means that when the Information is adapted and licensed under either of those licences, you automatically satisfy the conditions of the OGL when you comply with the other licence. So you can be confident that if you have data under the OGL then you would have sufficient rights to allow re-distribution under the ODC-By licence, which in turn implies it's ok for OSM to distribute it under the ODbL. One thing that confuses me is how different licenses that require attribution can be compatible, or even how a work under one license requiring attribution can be re-used under that same license. The OGL requires the attribution 'Contains public sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v2.0' (or a more specific attribution). Openstreetmap requires '© OpenStreetMap contributors'. So if someone re-uses Openstreetmap data that contains OGL data and only attributes it with '© OpenStreetMap contributors', would that not be a violation of the license of the OGL data, because the government is not attributed? Can someone clarify that? Kind regards, Matthijs ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Government Licence
2014-01-25 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: On 24 January 2014 11:00, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: If you read to the end of the OGL, you'll find that it helpfully says: These terms are compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution License 4.0 and the Open Data Commons Attribution License, both of which license copyright and database rights. This means that when the Information is adapted and licensed under either of those licences, you automatically satisfy the conditions of the OGL when you comply with the other licence. So you can be confident that if you have data under the OGL then you would have sufficient rights to allow re-distribution under the ODC-By licence, which in turn implies it's ok for OSM to distribute it under the ODbL. One thing that confuses me is how different licenses that require attribution can be compatible, or even how a work under one license requiring attribution can be re-used under that same license. The OGL requires the attribution 'Contains public sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v2.0' (or a more specific attribution). Openstreetmap requires '© OpenStreetMap contributors'. So if someone re-uses Openstreetmap data that contains OGL data and only attributes it with '© OpenStreetMap contributors', would that not be a violation of the license of the OGL data, because the government is not attributed? Can someone clarify that? In the example you give, the OGL means that OpenStreetMap has to attribute the government, but the OGL does not require that OpenStreetMap should force that same requirement onto anyone who uses OpenStreetMap data. The requirement to attribute the government is not inherited. Similarly, the ODbL requires that if I produce a pretty picture made from OpenStreetMap data, I have to attribute OpenStreetMap, but I do not have to force any users of my picture to also attribute OpenStreetMap. Best Dan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Government Licence
I'm no expert, in fact I'm worse than an amateur commenting on legal matters, I'm an amateur applying common sense to legal matters, but here goes! ;-) I would have thought that licensing cascades down, so as long as OSM attributes OGL then any other uses of OSM are inferring an attribution to OGL! Otherwise when we receive our Oscar instead of just thanking our Parents and God, we'd have to thank our parents and grand-parents and great gran-parents and great great grand-parents ad infinitum and God! Which means we'd never get to thank God! Then where would we be ;-) Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 25/01/2014 17:09, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 24 January 2014 11:00, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: If you read to the end of the OGL, you'll find that it helpfully says: These terms are compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution License 4.0 and the Open Data Commons Attribution License, both of which license copyright and database rights. This means that when the Information is adapted and licensed under either of those licences, you automatically satisfy the conditions of the OGL when you comply with the other licence. So you can be confident that if you have data under the OGL then you would have sufficient rights to allow re-distribution under the ODC-By licence, which in turn implies it's ok for OSM to distribute it under the ODbL. One thing that confuses me is how different licenses that require attribution can be compatible, or even how a work under one license requiring attribution can be re-used under that same license. The OGL requires the attribution 'Contains public sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v2.0' (or a more specific attribution). Openstreetmap requires '© OpenStreetMap contributors'. So if someone re-uses Openstreetmap data that contains OGL data and only attributes it with '© OpenStreetMap contributors', would that not be a violation of the license of the OGL data, because the government is not attributed? Can someone clarify that? Kind regards, Matthijs ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Government Licence
Agree, we also have both OGL 1.0 (e.g., Natural England) and OGL 2.0 (e.g, OSGB). I've been reading the licenses again, and I think the main sticking point is the *viral attribution* clause. Thus it may be that we need to check that Natural England, Norwich County Council etc. are happy with whatever the OSGB agreed to regarding viral attribution (and presumably the Royal Mail did not). The other point is *sublicensing *of data within the OGL data. The local government authority, QUANGO etc, should have checked with OSGB *BEFORE *releasing data under the OSGB OGL. I presume that this is because some datasets contain various quantities of MasterMap data, which they are not entitled to license. (Check the Land Registry INSPIRE Parcel data OGL termshttp://www.landregistry.gov.uk/market-trend-data/inspire/inspire-faq#i23for an example where this more or less eliminates any of our considered uses of the data). Thus it is the OSGB who have to make a judgement about whether the other body's release of geodata under OGL may impair what OSGB do with MasterMap (not just sales, but VARs and other services built round MasterMap). I know this is what Nottingham City Council did with their footpath data. Also note that notionally not all of a dataset contains OSGB data (for instance footpath names and identifiers contain no OSGB data). What I agree is very important to check is whether the releasing body has consulted with the OSGB and that they have got the basic license terms right (see ONS reference before). Jonathan mentioned good faith, I'm not sure that this is works terribly well with copyright stuff. So to recap, these seem to me to be the key questions which we need to ask or be satisfied about: - Which data (attributes) in a data set belong solely to the body licensing the data? - Which data (and attributes) in a data set contain, belong, or are derived from another data set not owned by the licensor? (this is mainly OGSB data in our case) - Has the licensor sought the opinion, permission, etc of any components in the data set which are not wholly owned by them? - What restrictions are implied by any sub-licensed data (see LR Inspire)? - Has the licensor applied the correct license, given the source and content of their data set? - Is the licensor willing to vary 'viral' attribution terms for insubstantial extracts produced works (as per ODbL 1.0). Of course it would be much better if everything was released under plain OGL, but we are moving to a point, where, for footpaths, in particular, councils think that providing a file to rowmaps is all they need to do. I think this slapdash approach to providing data is a more significant problem than the nitty gritty of licenses. As these license issues will be outside the normal skills of council/QUANGO lawyers it will continue to be cheaper to say NO. Nottingham explicitly adopted its Open Data project to reduce admin costs, so I'm surprised that these organisations are leaving so much ambiguity in how they do things so as to invite expensive queries. As in an Agatha Christie, it pays to ask where's the money?. Valuable data sets such as PAF or MasterMap land parcel boundaries will be defended in one way or another (not Open, restrictions, onerous attribution terms, avoiding answering questions). Others are less likely to be problematic (including footpaths as these are less likely to be 'snapped' to MasterMap features, and many natural datasets because the land is less valuable and therefore less likely to generate mapping revenue). Personally I don't want to make a huge amount of usage from these datasets: I'm definitely interested in attributes such as footpath references, and I'd like to have accurate boundaries for things like National Parks, Access Land, SSSIs and other Nature Reserves. However in the main I feel that we as a whole do a better job by using these things as a guide for mapping. Of course the ODbL also creates problems because we can't release any mashups of footpath data from OSGB OGL sources and OSM (for instance as a Garmin IMG file): the resulting DB has to be released under ODbL. Sorry this has ended up as a mishmash of thoughts after the more germane couple of points. What we really need to do is to create some standard letters with the critical text as boilerplate and get emailing these govt bodies. Regards, Jerry On 24 January 2014 17:47, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.comwrote: You need to formally ask: Any other dataset published under the OS OpenData License by other organisations, such as English Heritage, (or by OS if any). is unclear: ask who? Ask the organisation doing the publishing (eg Norfolk CC), or OS? My impression of the Mike Collinson dialogue was that OS basically agreed that *indirect* use of their mapbase in this fashion as the context for someone else's data was OK, but that the someone else also had to agree, not that OS had to be
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Government Licence
2014-01-25 SK53 sk53@gmail.com: Agree, we also have both OGL 1.0 (e.g., Natural England) and OGL 2.0 (e.g, OSGB). I've been reading the licenses again, and I think the main sticking point is the viral attribution clause. [...snip...] I don't want to divert from Jerry's main points, but I just want to make sure no-one misreads his reply the same way I just did. The OGL does not have any viral attribution clause - which happens to be the point I was making in my reply to Matthijs earlier today! It's the Ordnance Survey's version of OGL which has a viral attribution clause. I agree with Jerry's analysis, but I note that there's no _viral_ attribution when using data that is under the standard OGL (and is uncontaminated by any second-hand OSGB content). Best Dan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
