Re: [Talk-at] Minimundus und OLM

2015-03-09 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 09.03.2015 11:25, martin ringer wrote:
 Daran war ich beteiligt, kenn ich, danke!
 Ich hätte gerne gewusst, welche Taggs ich bei den Objekten anfügen/ändern
 muss, damit diese von Openlinkmap angezeigt werden und die User einen
 Mehrwert haben.

Erst mal muss man sich fragen, um welche User es überhaupt geht. Ich glaube,
die Openlinkmap ist sowas wie ein proof of concept, nichts was von vielen
Leuten im Alltag verwendet wird. Wenn sich ein normaler Mensch dorthin
verirrt, dann wird er probehalber ein bisschen herumzoomen und -klicken. Von
daher ist es nicht so wichtig, welche Links angezeigt werden, sondern
hauptsächlich dass überhaupt welche angezeigt werden, damit die Seite
spannend wird. Will man das ganze jedoch seriöser gestalten, dann sollte,
wenn man den Minimundus-Eiffelturm anklickt, nicht eine Seite übern
Original-Eiffelturm aufgehen, sondern eine Seite übern
Minimundus-Eiffelturm. Bilder vom Original-Eiffelturm hat sowieso schon
jeder tausendmal gesehen, spannend ist wie das Modell in Minimundus
aussieht. Und genau das erwartet man auch, wenn man dort einen Link
anklickt. Wenn ich Infos übern Original-Eiffelturm sehen will, zoome ich
nicht auf Klagenfurt, sondern auf Paris und klicke den dortigen Eiffelturm an.

Rein technisch ist klar, dass die Openlinkmap derzeit bei den
Minimundus-Objekten keine Links anzeigt, denn es sind keine der Link-Tags
gesetzt, die von der Openlinkmap ausgewertet werden
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenLinkMap#Necessary_tags), sondern nur
das kaum etablierte subject:wikipedia=*.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Vykreslování turistických tras (Re: semestralni projekt - napady)

2015-03-09 Thread Pavel Pisa
Zdravím,

všiml jsem si diskuze na téma vykreslování značek.

Možná jdu s křížkem po funuse, ale celosvětové vykreslování
značek ne jen pro pěší již před mnohal lety vyšešila
Sarah Hoffmann Lonvia.de. Projekt je nyní přesunutý na

http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/

Vzhledem k rozmanitosti způsobů značení nevyužívá barvy
pro trasy, ale pouze pro rozdělení tras podle důležitosti.
Značku pak přidává jako zmenšený náhled/symbol podle osmc.

Kompletní projekt je v GITu na GitHubu https://github.com/lonvia

Doplnění hledání tras by bylo pěkné.

Na druhou stranu pro českou republiku jsou mapy na poloha.net
přehlednější. I když mě by se líbilo, pokud by šlo u tras nastavit
trasparenci. Někdy vedení značky středem cesty zakrývá typ komunikace.

Jinak studentské projekty pro openstreetmap také rádi studentům
nabídneme. Letos chceme, aby si studenti i něco s OSM daty
vyzkoušeli v rámci předmětu Open Source Programování

https://support.dce.felk.cvut.cz/osp/

Pokud by se našel čas, tak bychom si i rádi s někým o možnostech
popovídali. Čas je ale opravdu problém.

S pozdravem,

   Pavel Píša
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Maps for townlands

2015-03-09 Thread Donal Diamond
On 9 March 2015 at 10:55, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 Can I have the following scanned?

 26/29 SE


Uploaded:
http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-26-29show_warped=0


 26/27 SE


Already up:
http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-26-27show_warped=0


 26/25 NE


Already up:
http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-26-25show_warped=0



 They're the remaining ones needed to complete Meath


Meath about 73% complete - won't be long now.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Vykreslování turistických tras (Re: semestralni projekt - napady)

2015-03-09 Thread Václav Kubíček
Ahoj,
mně se docela zamlouvá styl http://www.freemap.sk/ Lze přepínat jednotlivé typy 
map (auto / turistika / cyklo...) + lze zobrazit jednotlivé POI.
MTB mapa se mi místy zdá už trochu přehuštěná.
Vašek
 

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Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-09 Thread Harald Kliems
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:15 AM Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 or are they dynamic (meaning you can waive your hand in any place along
 the route and the bus will stop)? In this case I'd not map any bus stops
 (as there aren't actually spots).


 Also possible so much as there isn't an actually signposted stop within 1
 city block.  But that does solve the other question.

From your initial description and then looking at the Tulsa transit page, I
thought what we're talking about is not just the relatively common you can
get off wherever you want _on a fixed route_. With the deviation areas to
me it sounds more like You can get off wherever you want _in an area of x
blocks around the nominally fixed route_. Which seems much harder to tag.
Am I misunderstanding?

Harald.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Codes Fantoir erronés

2015-03-09 Thread Vincent de Château-Thierry
Bonjour,

 De: Vincent de Château-Thierry osm.v...@free.fr
 
 J'ai placé sur cette page :
 http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/fantoir_errone.html
 un listing des codes Fantoir connus seulement d'OSM, car absents du
 fichier Fantoir. Il s'agit donc d'anomalies, souvent dûes à des
 fautes de frappe lors de la saisie en base. Vous reconnaîtrez sur la
 page les liens présents sur
 http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/ afin de permettre
 l'édition des objets concernés, l'objectif étant de réduire à 0 le
 nombre de lignes de cette page.

Merci à Ano59 qui a donné ce week-end un grand coup de balai dans les ~70 
erreurs qui restaient listées sur cette page.

À noter que depuis la mise à jour BANO d'hier matin, nous utilisons un 
millésime 2015 du FANTOIR. Si vous avez souvenir de voies créées en cours 
d'année dernière il peut être intéressant de voir si elles sont maintenant 
rapprochées.

vincent

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Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:15 AM Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 or are they dynamic (meaning you can waive your hand in any place along
 the route and the bus will stop)? In this case I'd not map any bus stops
 (as there aren't actually spots).


 Also possible so much as there isn't an actually signposted stop within 1
 city block.  But that does solve the other question.

 From your initial description and then looking at the Tulsa transit page,
 I thought what we're talking about is not just the relatively common you
 can get off wherever you want _on a fixed route_. With the deviation areas
 to me it sounds more like You can get off wherever you want _in an area of
 x blocks around the nominally fixed route_. Which seems much harder to
 tag. Am I misunderstanding?


I'm dealing with both problems.
http://tulsatransit.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Traveler-March-2015-2.pdf
is the current edition of The Traveler, our quarterly master schedule book
which I'll be referencing since I can't link directly to what I'm talking
about.

Most routes (with the possible exception of 251 (future 751?) Fast Track
and the 9xx buses, which only serves like 8 or 10 signposted stops
exclusively) have many stops with no physical presence that are officially
bus stops recognized by Tulsa Transit.  The unmarked stops that appear in
the GTFS and driver's schedule paddles (of which I've only seen one driver
ever actually use; Tulsa Transit very much runs on indian time and drivers
typically radio to each other if they've got transfers, holding the
receiving bus where it crosses the originating line, so a long term goal is
getting a GTFS-Realtime feed going) are essentially locations where it's
very routine for passengers to hail a bus and the agency just started to
officially recognize it as such.  Bonus round is that there's a few *transfer
points* like this, where it's essentially impossible to use the system
without local knowledge as a result (a situation I'm trying to fix through
documentation).

Routes 508 and all of the 8xx routes have deviation areas, marked stops,
unmarked stops, and you can wave it down anywhere outside a one block
radius of a marked stop.

Humorous bit in that book: on PDF page 26/print page 24, you can find the
offline trip planner (no joke, you mail it in!).
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Re: [Talk-cz] Vykreslování turistických tras (Re: semestralni projekt - napady)

2015-03-09 Thread Ladislav Laska
Ahoj,

 Možná jdu s křížkem po funuse, ale celosvětové vykreslování

o různých pozitivech a negativech vykreslování již diskuse proběhla, včetně 
waymarkedtrails a historie, takže se k tomu nebudu vyjadřovat a raději se 
odkážu 
na předchozí emaily.

 Jinak studentské projekty pro openstreetmap také rádi studentům
 nabídneme. Letos chceme, aby si studenti i něco s OSM daty
 vyzkoušeli v rámci předmětu Open Source Programování
 
 https://support.dce.felk.cvut.cz/osp/
 
 Pokud by se našel čas, tak bychom si i rádi s někým o možnostech
 popovídali. Čas je ale opravdu problém.

Inu, to vypadá podobně, jako předmět který u nás chvíli vedl Pasky na MFF :-).  
Myslím, že se nějaké vhodně obtížná práce najde třeba v mapovátku Merkaartor, 
které jsem nedávno adoptoval a snažím se ho trošku zvelebovat. Třeba do té doby 
doženu majitele serveru k oživení webu :-)

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Katedra Aplikované Matematiky, MFF UK   tel.: +420 739 464 167

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Re: [Talk-it] no track !

2015-03-09 Thread girarsi_liste
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Il 09/03/2015 10:37, Alessandro Chiostri ha scritto:
 Ciao a tutti.
 
 Ho notato che lungo l’Arno, vicino al centro città, alcune tracce
 sterrate mostranti il passaggio di veicoli sono state taggate con
 Track ma non hanno affatto uso agricolo o forestale.
 
 Possono essere state create per raggiungere la pescaia ed avere
 scopi di polizia idraulica, oppure consentire alle ruspe di
 scendere a riva per rimuovere i tronchi, ma in ogni modo quale tag
 sarà èiù adatto ?
 
 Path?
 
 Service? Nel caso, con quali altre specifiche ?
 

Se non sei sicuro usa highway=road, vale a dire non classificabile.

Altrimenti se esiste una segnaletica, in base a quella ci si regola.

higway=service credo abbia senso se cè segnaletica, perchè poi si
accompagna con un service=*, ed access=*.


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Re: [Talk-br] nomear saídas de rodovias

2015-03-09 Thread Gerald Weber
2015-03-09 12:23 GMT-03:00 Helio Cesar Tomio hcto...@gmail.com:

 Estou com a mesma dúvida.
 Vejo placas de sinalização indicando saída 55A, saída 55B...
 Seria legal nomear estas vias tipo link cfe as placas.
 Assim, qq aplicativo de navegação indicaria corretamente a via a ser
 utilizada.


highway=motorway_junction
ref=55A

abraço

Gerald
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Re: [Talk-it] no track !

2015-03-09 Thread Alessandro Barbieri

Il 09/03/2015 17:03, girarsi_liste ha scritto:


Se non sei sicuro usa highway=road, vale a dire non classificabile.

road è temporaneo e vuol dire non so classificarlo ma va classificato.

This is intended as a temporary tag to mark a road until it has been 
properly surveyed. Once it has been surveyed, the classification 
should be updated to the appropriate value. 


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Re: [Talk-br] nomear saídas de rodovias

2015-03-09 Thread Helio Cesar Tomio
Estou com a mesma dúvida.
Vejo placas de sinalização indicando saída 55A, saída 55B...
Seria legal nomear estas vias tipo link cfe as placas.
Assim, qq aplicativo de navegação indicaria corretamente a via a ser
utilizada.
 Em 09/03/2015 09:09, talk-br-requ...@openstreetmap.org escreveu:

 Enviar submissões para a lista de discussão Talk-br para
 talk-br@openstreetmap.org

 Para se cadastrar ou descadastrar via WWW, visite o endereço
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
 ou, via email, envie uma mensagem com a palavra 'help' no assunto ou
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 Quando responder, por favor edite sua linha Assunto assim ela será
 mais específica que Re: Contents of Talk-br digest...


 Tópicos de Hoje:

1. Fwd: Nomear saídas de rodovia (belnu...@pop.com.br)


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 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 00:01:46 -0300
 From: belnu...@pop.com.br
 To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org talk-br@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [Talk-br] Fwd: Nomear saídas de rodovia
 Message-ID:
 20150309000146.horde.5m0e5gh_abai4hgtotyf...@webmail.pop.com.br
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 DelSp=Yes

 No exemplo enviado há um erro de sentido de via

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1742045410

  Tópicos de Hoje:
 
1. Nomear saídas de rodovia (belnu...@pop.com.br)
2. Re: Nomear saídas de rodovia (Gerald Weber)
 
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 Message: 1
 
 Não se nomeia as saídas de rodovias , usando para isto o que
 consta
  nas
 placas de sinalização colocadas na via ?
 
  https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-23.68966/-46.56494
 
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 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 15:42:52 -0300
 From: Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com
 
 Não sei se entendi direito a pergunta, mas se forem coisas como
  acesso à
 marginal  com certeza não, pois isto não é um nome como Avenida
  Augusta.
 
 O que você pode usar são as tags destination
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination
 
 ou se for a saída de uma motorway, pode marcar o ponto da saída como
 highway=motorway_junction (só no nó, não no caminho inteiro)
 
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction
 
 e descrever para onde sai com exit_to, por exemplo exit_to=Aeroporto,
  se a
 saída for numerada pode colocar algo como ref=409 (só no nó, não
 no
  caminho
 inteiro)
 
 aqui um exemplo completo
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1742045410
 
 abraço
 
 Gerald
 
 2015-03-07 12:22 GMT-03:00 belnu...@pop.com.br:
 
 
 
  Não se nomeia as saídas de rodovias , usando para isto o que
  consta  nas
  placas de sinalização colocadas na via ?
 
  https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-23.68966/-46.56494
 
 
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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Nomear saídas de rodovia

2015-03-09 Thread Gerald Weber
2015-03-09 0:01 GMT-03:00 belnu...@pop.com.br:



  No exemplo enviado há um erro de sentido de via

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1742045410


Não encontrei erro nenhum ao redor deste ponto, ou então alguém já corrigiu.

Gerald
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')

2015-03-09 Thread Jo
I'm organising a meetup in Leuven:

https://www.couchsurfing.com/events/605667

Ben, can I also announce this on meetup.com and could you make me event
host? So I can ask who is planning to eat à la carte. The venue needs to
know this, if there are more than 12. The contribution for the venue is
€25. So the €4 could be lower and it goes away if we consume for more than
€100.

Cheers,


Jo



2015-03-08 21:53 GMT+01:00 Marc Zoutendijk marczoutend...@mac.com:


 Op 8 mrt. 2015, om 21:41 heeft Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com het
 volgende geschreven:

 A french cyclist association create this map :
 http://bicyclette69.free.fr/carte/carte.html. This map is really nice.
 But I think they use maperitive which is proprietary.


 For me, that site is not working at all. It responds to no click
 whatsoever.

 This site does the job quiet well:

 http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfietser/fiets/?map=cyclewayszoom=14lat=45.75156lon=4.86038layers=B0TFF

 And it has a lot of useful options.

 Marc.


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[OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM to geocode commercial data

2015-03-09 Thread Charles Henck
Hello all,I work for a company that has a system that allows customers to 
request location-specific information.  E.g. they can drop a request a specific 
latitude and longitude, and those requests are then answered by users of our 
app.  I just want to clarify that my understanding is correct based on the 
current license and the proposed guidelines.Q: Would using OSM data to get the 
app users' countries from their latitude and longitude (to find nearby tasks) 
require us to open our database for redistribution?  
It seems like this probably would not, by any standard, since we don't even 
store the data.Q: More confusingly, if we used OSM to get the geocode a 
latitude/longitude (or reverse geocode an address) for a dropped request, would 
the database of requests (and private responses) be open?  
My understanding is that the database of locations-geocodes would need to be 
made available to others, or alternatively that the locations would be a 
produced work and that we should place a copyright on the map displaying the 
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[Talk-de] GraphHopper Routenplaner 0.4 veröffentlicht

2015-03-09 Thread Peter
Hallo zusammen,

die neue Version 0.4 von GraphHopper ist nun verfügbar:
https://karussell.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/releasing-graphhopper-0-4-and-the-graphhopper-directions-api/


Grüße,
Peter vom GraphHopper Team


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Re: [Talk-it] no track !

2015-03-09 Thread Alessandro Barbieri

Il 09/03/2015 10:37, Alessandro Chiostri ha scritto:


Ciao a tutti.

Ho notato che lungo l’Arno, vicino al centro città, alcune tracce 
sterrate mostranti il passaggio di veicoli sono state taggate con 
Track ma non hanno affatto uso agricolo o forestale.


Possono essere state create per raggiungere la pescaia


uso agricolo


ed avere scopi di polizia idraulica, oppure consentire alle ruspe di 
scendere a riva per rimuovere i tronchi,



uso forestale

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[Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Harald Kliems
With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:

- Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
opening hours, backrests on benches.
- Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together or
in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
- Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
Laptops are available at the library.

Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?

 Harald.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Page Indoor mapping en français (était: Carte des données indoor : OpenLevelUp!)

2015-03-09 Thread althio
Bonjour,

Je trouve la page très claire, du très beau boulot pour une première
ébauche.

Est-ce que vous allez reboucler avec les contributeurs internationaux ?
Ils ont peut-être un avis sur les schémas et les outils avec du support et
ceux tombés en désuétude.
Ce serait aussi une occasion de rafraîchir la page en anglais, si la
discussion avance.

2015-03-07 16:32 GMT+01:00 PanierAvide panierav...@riseup.net:
 Bonjour,

 J'ai créé une première ébauche de page en français pour l'indoor mapping,
en
 reprenant pour partie les idées de la page en anglais, en ne mettant que
les
 outils à priori stables et fonctionnels, et en explicitant la différence
 entre les schémas de tags. C'est ici :
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Indoor_Mapping

 Cordialement,

 PanierAvide.


 Le 07/03/2015 11:16, PanierAvide a écrit :

 Le 06/03/2015 18:17, dHuy Pierre a écrit :

 Pour le reste on est entièrement d'accord. Ce sujet m'intéresse depuis
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Mapillary is your friend.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote:

 I've given up the dedicated GPS and/or pen and paper for data collection
 and I do everything using the camera and notes application on my smartphone.

 All the pictures I take are geotagged.  I transfer the photos to a
 computer via the USB port and then load them into JOSM with a marker
 showing where they were taken.

 There are also smartphone applications to create GPX files, but this seems
 superfluous for most things I map since recent high-resolution aerial
 photos are available from Bing.

 Peter


 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote:

 With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
 hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
 weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
 party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
 various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:

 - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
 surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
 things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
 opening hours, backrests on benches.
 - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together
 or in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
 - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
 library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
 Laptops are available at the library.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')

2015-03-09 Thread althio
Nicolas  talk-be,

On Mar 5, 2015 6:25 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be wrote:

  - Communication, for example, weekly OSM and managing the
  twitter-account/facebook group a bit better... ;-) Also a FR-speaking
  volunteer would help a lot.
 I volunteer for the French part. But I would very much like some active
 help and support. For example by Julien Fastré and/or marc Ducobu

[en]

For the WeeklyOSM part you are welcome to join the newly established
French-speaking team and the global WeeklyOSM team if you want an
editor/translator role. Or you can simply feed the WeeklyOSM team with news
from your community.

[fr]

Pour participer à WeeklyOSM nous vous accueillons avec plaisir dans la
récente équipe francophone pour participer à l'édition et/ou la traduction.
Ou simplement vous pouvez transmettre à l'équipe WeeklyOSM les nouvelles de
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[OSM-talk] Partial Website + API outage

2015-03-09 Thread Grant Slater
Hi All,

OpenStreetMap is currently offline due to a network problem at the
data centre which hosts us.

Status updates here: https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/

Alternative: #osm-dev on http://irc.openstreetmap.org/

We are trying to get everything back up ASAP, but currently do not yet
have an ETA.

Kind regards,
Grant
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[OSRM-talk] arrive to destination on the adequate side in two-way streets

2015-03-09 Thread Fernando Pacheco
Hi all.

We are developing an application for routing solid waste collection
trucks. We use OSRM to calculate distances between collecting points
(intermediate points).

Some customers are located in two-way streets (simple, no separators)
... How can I say to OSRM that must arrive to the collecting points at
the adequate side of the street? That is, on the side where the client
is, without crossing the opposite direction of the street to access the
load.

Is it possible?. Thanks in advance. Fernando.

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Re: [Talk-us] Mappy hour tomorrow!

2015-03-09 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/8/15 11:49 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
 Sorry you can't make it Jack. 

 The direct hangout link is here - I
 think: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/cpiqg6sldpjconoipvhmd3skhcc 
 Sorry, Google+ makes it really hard to just share a link to an event.
 I still don't quite understand how it works.
that link is telling me i need an invitation; i have requested one and
am waiting for it.

i agree, the G+ interface for hangouts is remarkably confusing.

richard

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Tod Fitch
I find using an app like OsmPad useful when collecting address data. About as 
fast, maybe faster than, writing numbers on paper when collecting data. And 
much faster when editing in JOSM.

Tod

On Mar 9, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote:

 I've given up the dedicated GPS and/or pen and paper for data collection and 
 I do everything using the camera and notes application on my smartphone.
 
 All the pictures I take are geotagged.  I transfer the photos to a computer 
 via the USB port and then load them into JOSM with a marker showing where 
 they were taken.
 
 There are also smartphone applications to create GPX files, but this seems 
 superfluous for most things I map since recent high-resolution aerial photos 
 are available from Bing.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Steven Johnson
Hi Harald,
It's great to see more events like this popping up all over. Is it due to
the spring thaw? Or greater community interest?

Generally, your plan sounds good. A few points that may help:
* I'm a vocal proponent of using local libraries from start to finish for
these events as they provide a central point from which to operate. It
makes the field work much easier if you don't have to lug all your stuff.
Most libraries now allow patrons to bring their own coffee and snacks.

* The ratio of surveying-to-editing sounds about right (1 hr of surveying =
roughly 2 hrs of editing in OSM).

* Consider using Mapillary during your survey. Here's a case study[2] of
how we're using Mapillary to conduct street surveys here in WashDC. See
also how Elliot Plack did it in Baltimore[3].

* Other tools: clipboards  pens (for recording data on Field Papers), a
power strip (older libraries sometimes lack enough electrical outlets)

Hope the weather cooperates. Have fun,
SEJ


[1] http://mapillary.com
[2] http://teachosm.org/en/cases/DCGreatStreets_survey_casestudy/
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ElliottPlack/diary/26065


-- SEJ
-- twitter: @geomantic
-- skype: sejohnson8

There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate from
incomplete data.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote:

 With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
 hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
 weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
 party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
 various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:

 - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
 surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
 things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
 opening hours, backrests on benches.
 - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together or
 in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
 - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
 library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
 Laptops are available at the library.

 Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?

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[Talk-hr] Fw: Partial Website + API outage

2015-03-09 Thread goranracic1

Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone

-Original Message-
From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 17:38:07 
To: OSM Dev Listd...@openstreetmap.org; Talk 
Openstreetmapt...@openstreetmap.org; annou...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Announce] Partial Website + API outage

Hi All,

OpenStreetMap is currently offline due to a network problem at the
data centre which hosts us.

Status updates here: https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/

Alternative: #osm-dev on http://irc.openstreetmap.org/

We are trying to get everything back up ASAP, but currently do not yet
have an ETA.

Kind regards,
Grant
Part of the OSM sysadmin team

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Re: [Talk-it] (senza oggetto)

2015-03-09 Thread Aury88
se sei nuovo ti consiglio di dare una veloce occhiata a questa guida [1]
soprattutto  il capitolo OpenStreetMap.org nella parte dell'inserimento dei
punti [2]
mentre la lista di possibili tag (gli elementi nodi/way/relation servono a
definire la geometria dell'elemento mentre i tag dicono che cosa è
effettivamente l'elemento segnato) la puoi trovare qui [3]
ti consiglio di provare l'editor online ID che permette di inserire i tag
facendo una ricerca in linguaggio umano.


[1] http://learnosm.org/it/
[2]http://learnosm.org/it/beginner/start-osm/#inserire-i-tuoi-primi-punti
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features



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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Peter Dobratz
I've given up the dedicated GPS and/or pen and paper for data collection
and I do everything using the camera and notes application on my smartphone.

All the pictures I take are geotagged.  I transfer the photos to a computer
via the USB port and then load them into JOSM with a marker showing where
they were taken.

There are also smartphone applications to create GPX files, but this seems
superfluous for most things I map since recent high-resolution aerial
photos are available from Bing.

Peter


On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote:

 With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
 hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
 weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
 party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
 various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:

 - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
 surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
 things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
 opening hours, backrests on benches.
 - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together or
 in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
 - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
 library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
 Laptops are available at the library.

 Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?

  Harald.

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Harald Kliems
Thanks for the advice, Steven!

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:13 PM Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's great to see more events like this popping up all over. Is it due to
 the spring thaw? Or greater community interest?

Let's say that they're probably both necessary ingredients to make this
happen :)


 * I'm a vocal proponent of using local libraries from start to finish for
 these events as they provide a central point from which to operate. It
 makes the field work much easier if you don't have to lug all your stuff.
 Most libraries now allow patrons to bring their own coffee and snacks.

I was thinking coffee shop because the area around the library is already
pretty well mapped. Your point about lugging things around, though, is well
taken


 * Consider using Mapillary during your survey. Here's a case study[2] of
 how we're using Mapillary to conduct street surveys here in WashDC. See
 also how Elliot Plack did it in Baltimore[3].

Yes, definitely had that on my plan. I was also thinking of capturing some
mapillary imagery before the meeting in order for it be up and usable by
the time of the event.

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Re: [Talk-hr] Fw: Partial Website + API outage

2015-03-09 Thread hbogner

Ti u zadnje vrijeme samo neke loše vijesti prenosiš :D
Daj malo neku dobru :D


On 03/09/2015 07:00 PM, 
goranrac...@gmail.com wrote:


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-Original Message-
From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 17:38:07
To: OSM Dev Listd...@openstreetmap.org; Talk Openstreetmapt...@openstreetmap.org; 
annou...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Announce] Partial Website + API outage

Hi All,

OpenStreetMap is currently offline due to a network problem at the
data centre which hosts us.

Status updates here: https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/

Alternative: #osm-dev on http://irc.openstreetmap.org/

We are trying to get everything back up ASAP, but currently do not yet
have an ETA.

Kind regards,
Grant
Part of the OSM sysadmin team

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM to geocode commercial data

2015-03-09 Thread Simon Poole


Am 09.03.2015 um 17:24 schrieb Charles Henck:
...
 
 Q: More confusingly, if we used OSM to get the geocode a
 latitude/longitude (or reverse geocode an address) for a dropped
 request, would the database of requests (and private responses) be open?  
 
...

I have difficulties understanding exactly what a dropped request is
supposed to be.

In any case the share alike terms of the ODbL only apply to a derivative
database that has been publicly conveyed.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 10 March 2015 at 08:30, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:


 These hazards exist for all kinds of traffic and not indicated on maps.
 Usually people are expected to be aware of their surroundings, not to rely
 on other aids as to what is visually obvious? :-\



The idea here is not to use it as a replacement for being visually aware,
but possibly to avoid (or minimise) these hazards when planning a cycle
route.  That said, I think we still have to find a way to map objective and
verifiable facts to that end.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Page Indoor mapping en français (était: Carte des données indoor : OpenLevelUp!)

2015-03-09 Thread PanierAvide
Ce serait l'idéal de pouvoir faire avancer la situation au niveau 
international. Déjà si l'on clarifie bien la documentation en français 
(autant sur les schémas que les tags individuellement), elle pourra 
servir de point de départ à une amélioration des pages en anglais, au 
moins sur ce qui ne fait pas (trop) débat. Du coup si certaines 
personnes sont motivées pour l'effort de traduction et amélioration de 
la doc, les pages sont listées dans la discussion de FR:Indoor Mapping, 
y a plus qu'à ;)



Le 09/03/2015 17:49, althio a écrit :


Bonjour,

Je trouve la page très claire, du très beau boulot pour une première 
ébauche.


Est-ce que vous allez reboucler avec les contributeurs internationaux ?
Ils ont peut-être un avis sur les schémas et les outils avec du 
support et ceux tombés en désuétude.
Ce serait aussi une occasion de rafraîchir la page en anglais, si la 
discussion avance.


2015-03-07 16:32 GMT+01:00 PanierAvide panierav...@riseup.net 
mailto:panierav...@riseup.net:

 Bonjour,

 J'ai créé une première ébauche de page en français pour l'indoor 
mapping, en
 reprenant pour partie les idées de la page en anglais, en ne mettant 
que les

 outils à priori stables et fonctionnels, et en explicitant la différence
 entre les schémas de tags. C'est ici :
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Indoor_Mapping

 Cordialement,

 PanierAvide.


 Le 07/03/2015 11:16, PanierAvide a écrit :

 Le 06/03/2015 18:17, dHuy Pierre a écrit :

 Pour le reste on est entièrement d'accord. Ce sujet m'intéresse depuis
 longtemps, si tu commences un draft je te donnerai un coup de main :)

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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Nomear saídas de rodovia

2015-03-09 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Além destas tags, também é possível utilizar a tag name (conjuntamente com
a tag ref) para nomear as saídas das autoestradas no nó
highway=motorway_junction. Por exemplo:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1999089024

Quando todas as saídas estão nomeadas, rodovias especialmente urbanas ficam
bem interessantes, veja por exemplo a Linha Amarela aqui no Rio:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-22.8814/-43.2735


[]s
Arlindo

2015-03-09 12:31 GMT-03:00 Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com:



 2015-03-09 0:01 GMT-03:00 belnu...@pop.com.br:



  No exemplo enviado há um erro de sentido de via

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1742045410


 Não encontrei erro nenhum ao redor deste ponto, ou então alguém já
 corrigiu.

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 (obviously for nearly every thing except large scale
 geometry changes vespucci is the only reasonable solution :-)).


Simon,
Your are going to have to come to Seattle and teach us how to use Vespucci.
We really struggle trying to use it. Maybe it has something to do with all
the legal pot we have available :-)


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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Harald Kliems
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:20 PM Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:


 The real core question is: will you have newbies or not?

I believe we will be more on the newbie side. There was a Maptime meet with
an introduction to OSM in November, which generated a couple new
contributors who will hopefully show up. So I'm personally aiming at
showing people who already know what OSM is how to do non-armchair mapping.
Actually improving data quality is only a secondary goal. If things go
well, we can have follow-up meetings that focus more on the later. But who
knows who's actually going to show up.

It just occurred to me that I have no clue how to edit with iD. Probably
something to look into before the meet-up.


 If you have newbies you need to think about if you want to pair them up
 with old hands or have them go out and learn the ropes on their own
 (I've tried both and there are likely an even number of pros and cons
 for both).

I would have gone with the former option but see how the other option could
work too.

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[Talk-br] Fwd: Nomear saídas de rodovia

2015-03-09 Thread belnuovo

2015-03-09 0:01 GMT-03:00 belnuovo em pop.com.br:




 No exemplo enviado há um erro de sentido de via

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1742045410



Não encontrei erro nenhum ao redor deste ponto, ou então alguém já corrigiu.

Gerald


Caro Gerald

Veja a entrada do viaduto Augusto Patrus vindo da MG-010 Pista Marginal .

Abraços


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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread Warin

On 9/03/2015 9:08 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:

On 09/03/2015, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:

There are in places bicycle specific warning signs (e.g. sharp curve
bicylists beware)
and THOSE can definitely be mapped.

Agreed, we can probably draw the line on wether the hazard is
signposted. And most of the values in taginfo and the proposal look
like they can fit that criteria.




Sharp curves .. would they not be obvious from the map it self .. one 
node on the sharp corner compared to many for a 'smooth' corner.'Masked' 
corners where some object hides on coming traffic (e.g. building, 
vegetation)  are also a hazard.


These hazards exist for all kinds of traffic and not indicated on maps. 
Usually people are expected to be aware of their surroundings, not to 
rely on other aids as to what is visually obvious? :-\
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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Nomear saídas de rodovia

2015-03-09 Thread Tarcisio Oliveira

Acho que isso.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/162291747

On 09-03-2015 17:14, belnu...@pop.com.br wrote:

2015-03-09 0:01 GMT-03:00 belnuovo em pop.com.br:




 No exemplo enviado há um erro de sentido de via

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1742045410


Não encontrei erro nenhum ao redor deste ponto, ou então alguém já 
corrigiu.


Gerald


Caro Gerald

Veja a entrada do viaduto Augusto Patrus vindo da MG-010 Pista Marginal .

Abraços


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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Partial Website + API outage

2015-03-09 Thread Clifford Snow
+1
On Mar 9, 2015 2:39 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Grant Slater
 openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
  All servers are now back to normal.


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Re: [Talk-cz] Vykreslování turistických tras (Re: semestralni projekt - napady)

2015-03-09 Thread Pavel Machek
Ahoj!

On Sun 2015-03-08 10:35:14, Ladislav Laska wrote:
  Zobrazuje telefoni budky, ale nezobrazuje hrady.
  Zobrazuje jeskyně, ale už ne štoly a závrty.
  A je toho vícero.
  :)
 
 ... osobně si myslím, že zájmové body by měly být konfigurovatelné nehledě na 
 vrstvu (možná chci hrady, možná restaurace, co já vím...). To by ale 
 vyžadovalo 
 kreslit je jinak, než přímo do renderu, takže jako bych nic neřekl :-)
 
 Ale dovedu si představit, že zobrazování hradů je všude, protože jich tolik 
 není; na turistické by ale neměly chybět.

Hlavne... hrad je orientacni bod, takze od nejakeho zoomu by mel byt
na kazde mape.

  
  IMHO by hlavní mapa měla renderovat co nejvíce a poskytovat referenční 
  design. 
  Speciální mapy by měli spíše odebírat a zvýrazňovat. Např. zimní mapa 
  nepotřebuje renderovat jezy na vodě a naopak vodácká mapa nemusí renderovat 
  sjezdovky. A zimní mapa zvýrazní sjezdovky že je bude renderovat i při 
  menším 
  zvětšení než na refernční mapě.
 
 Je blbost, aby hlavní mapa renderovala turistické, cyklistické, konské 
 stezky, 
 relace MHD a dálkové dopravy, či cokoliv takového ražení. Stalo by se to 
 nepřehledným. Naopak zájmové body, proč ne, obzvláště když jsou viditelné 
 jenom 
 na malých zoom levelech (to s turistickou nejde, stane se potom na
 prd).

Proc by to neslo? IMO by klidne turisticke trasy pri vysokem zoomu
viditelne byt mohly. A je pravda ze to pak nepujde pouzit pro
planovani trasy, ale aspon uvidim, ze to je zmapovany, a kdyz se budu
rozhodovat mezi 2ma cestickama v lese, treba vyberu tu znacenou...

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Partial Website + API outage

2015-03-09 Thread Pierre Béland
+1Should we buy a super-heros suit to @firefishy1?  
Pierre 

  De : Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
 À : Richard Weait rich...@weait.com 
Cc : dev Openstreetmap d...@openstreetmap.org; annou...@openstreetmap.org; 
Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Lundi 9 mars 2015 17h10
 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Partial Website + API outage
   
+1

On Mar 9, 2015 2:39 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Grant Slater
openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
 All servers are now back to normal.


Thank you, Admin Super Heroes.  :-)

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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Nomear saídas de rodovia

2015-03-09 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
2015-03-09 16:22 GMT-03:00 Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com:
 Quando todas as saídas estão nomeadas, rodovias especialmente urbanas ficam
 bem interessantes, veja por exemplo a Linha Amarela aqui no Rio:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-22.8814/-43.2735

Mas isso não é o destino da saída? (destination, portanto)

E esses nós http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/163546973 não são saídas
(a não ser que seja algo muito estranho, não deveriam ter nada)

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Simon Poole
Now days there is quite a lot of on-device help for the not so obvious
parts (not that there are many). I admit that that needs to be dumped on
a website (is one of the things fairly high on the TODO list).

Back on topic: naturally one of the interesting things about a mapping
party -is- to see how other mappers work, even for contributors very
much ingrained in how they do it.

Simon

Am 09.03.2015 um 20:23 schrieb Clifford Snow:
 
 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
 mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote:
 
 (obviously for nearly every thing except large scale
 geometry changes vespucci is the only reasonable solution :-)).
 
 
 Simon,
 Your are going to have to come to Seattle and teach us how to use
 Vespucci. We really struggle trying to use it. Maybe it has something to
 do with all the legal pot we have available :-)
 
 
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 osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us http://osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Partial Website + API outage

2015-03-09 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Grant Slater
openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
 All servers are now back to normal.


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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote:

 With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
 hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
 weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
 party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
 various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:

 - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
 surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
 things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
 opening hours, backrests on benches.
 - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together or
 in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
 - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
 library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
 Laptops are available at the library.

 Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?




Madison is a great place to map. I haven't been back in a while, but it is
a really nice town. Have fun!

If you have a chance, add buildings prior to the mapping party. It will
make it easier for people to map from field papers.

I like meeting a coffee shops with plenty of seating, which leaves
Starbucks out, and using the library as a destination for updating OSM. If
you have someone with limited mobility they can stay at the coffee
shop/library and update OSM via cell phone with the survey crew.

I usually ask people if they have smart phones, especially iOS devices.
GoMap!! for iPhone/iPad is a great app for field surveys. (I don't really
like Vespucci but others might.) OSM Tracker for Android is a nice app for
tagging benches, information signs, waste baskets, etc. Plus OSM Tracker
can take photos and record audio. Also suggest going into business
establishments to ask for business cards. Use the business card to add
website, address, and hours to POIs.  Plus it is a great way to bring up
OSM to shop owners. I've only had one person get upset with me for
wasting her time. Everyone else is usually very interested in hearing that
we want to add their business to the map.

Some of the other no so typical information as you suggested is number of
parking spaces, internet availability, bike parking, and postal boxes (blue
boxes.) Please ask the participants to collect addresses, including unit
numbers as appropriate.

If possible I like to have teams of two or three, with at least one person
familiar with OSM.

+1 on Peter and Steve's suggestion of taking photos.

With field papers, suggest that they just mark the location with a number
and then keep a separate list with the tagging data. Field papers can get
very confusing when adding a bunch of businesses.

Good luck,
Clifford

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Simon Poole

The real core question is: will you have newbies or not?

Old hands will have their favourite method of mapping anyway and are
unlikely to change (obviously for nearly every thing except large scale
geometry changes vespucci is the only reasonable solution :-)). For them
you simply need a reasonable way of splitting up the area in question,
essentially any print out of OSM will do OK, field papers working
particularly well.

If you have newbies you need to think about if you want to pair them up
with old hands or have them go out and learn the ropes on their own
(I've tried both and there are likely an even number of pros and cons
for both).

Simon



Am 09.03.2015 um 17:09 schrieb Harald Kliems:
 With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
 hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
 weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
 party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
 various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:
 
 - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
 surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
 things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
 opening hours, backrests on benches.
 - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together
 or in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying. 
 - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
 library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
 Laptops are available at the library.
 
 Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of? 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Partial Website + API outage

2015-03-09 Thread Grant Slater
On 9 Mar 2015 17:38, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 OpenStreetMap is currently offline due to a network problem at the
 data centre which hosts us.

 Status updates here: https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/

 Alternative: #osm-dev on http://irc.openstreetmap.org/

 We are trying to get everything back up ASAP, but currently do not yet
 have an ETA.


All servers are now back to normal.

Kind regards,
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread SomeoneElse

On 09/03/2015 16:09, Harald Kliems wrote:

Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?


I'll apologise upfront in case any of this sounds like the bleeding 
obvious - I'm sure you'll have thought through lots of this and more 
already...


One thing that immediately comes to mind is not to assume that people 
have much idea about what OpenStreetMap is - I'd definitely include some 
sort of brief, simple introduction (e.g. what's the difference between 
OSM and public domain government sources, and what's the difference 
between OSM and Google etc.).


I'd also try not to be too prescriptive about how people record stuff - 
cameras work for some people, paper and pencil for others, other methods 
for others again.  Try and pick an area where there's a variety of new 
stuff to map.


With regards to the editing part, check at the library first what kit 
is available with what web browser (if it's IE only you'll be using 
Potlatch 2 rather than iD as the default in-browser editor, and even 
then only if Flash is supported).  By all means mention JOSM, but I 
wouldn't suggest it to newbies unless they're familar with something 
like AutoCAD (which uses some similar control mechanisms) - and 
downloading and running Java software on the library computers may be 
restricted.


People will have different priorities - some may want to just do the 
outdoor mapping part, some the social bit and some the editing 
afterwards, so try and make sure that the timetable is public upfront 
(with contact details available in case of problems) and try and make 
space for whatever people want to do.  Don't try and rush it - let 
people discover things that they can map.


Finally - remember to have fun!

Cheers,

Andy




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Re: [Talk-br] Marginal Tiete é autoestrada ? (Flavio Bello Fialho)

2015-03-09 Thread Flavio Bello Fialho
Sim, nesse caso colocam-se os dois tags. Por exemplo, tem caso em que a
velocidade máxima para veículos leves é 110km/h, para ônibus é 100km/h e
para caminhões é 90km/h. Nesse caso, colocam-se três tags:

maxspeed=110
maxspeed:bus=100
maxspeed:hgv=90

Isso vale em qualquer via em que as velocidades são diferentes.

Em 7 de março de 2015 04:34, belnu...@pop.com.br escreveu:

 Só para que eu possa entender melhor :
 - é mantida a velocidade máxima para veículos leves , que no caso é de 90
 Km/h e é adicionada a etiqueta : maxspeed:hgv ?
 Isto se aplica a todas as vias ?


 A Marginal Tiete e a Marginal Pinheiros são motorway. A diferença entre
 motorway e trunk é que a motorway não tem cruzamentos em nível e a trunk
 sim. Ela também faz parte da rota BR-116 (é por ela que a BR-116 cruza a
 cidade de São Paulo). Quanto à velocidade, se puderes, por favor coloque o
 tag maxspeed nos trechos correspondentes. Em locais onde a velocidade é
 diferente para caminhões, use também maxspeed:hgv.


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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread stevea
I don't want to gush in a too self-congratulatory way, but the 
comments, tone, replies... we've seen on this thread have been 
awesome.  Very nicely contributed, everybody, back pats and thumbs up 
all around.


Keeping quiet for a bit now,

SteveA
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-de] Formal proposal: mechanically reverting fixme=set␣better␣denotation / denotation=cluster

2015-03-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:

 Ok, call for additional perhaps final comments on this worldwide
 mechanical cleanup for the impacts of the denotation=cluster import.


Fire in the hole: the first changeset is 29373065
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Re: [Talk-hr] Bing linije - trebaju li nam?

2015-03-09 Thread hbogner

Obrisao 11 komada i relaciju koja ih je sadržavala.
Dobro je da smo ih sad brisali, kansije bi bilo još teže.
Nevjerovatno koliko je ljudi spajalo šume i ceste na te linije.
Najveći dio vremena sam rješavao konflikte...

On 03/08/2015 08:57 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote:

Ja ih brišem kako koju vidim. Obrisao sam ih dvije-tri do sada.

Dana 8. ožujka 2015. u 13:11 hbogner hbog...@gmail.com je napisao/la:


Svi koji su se javili na ovu temu se slažu za brisanje.
Tko preuizama brisanje na sebe?


On 01/21/2015 11:03 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote:


Pozdrav,

slažemo li se da obrišemo ove linije? Kad se zbroje Bing i Mapbox, bilo bi
lakše ucrtati gdje nema pozadine. Ove više nitko ne održava, samo bezveze
stoje i ne daju nikakvu informaciju.

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[Talk-cz] Licence (zase)

2015-03-09 Thread Petr Vejsada
Ahoj,

ač, jak víte, jsem ohledně licence docela v klidu, tak toto mě tedy 
vydráždilo:

http://rosa-os.cz/nase-sluzby/azylovy-dum/

defaultně vrstva OSM, attribution Google-podmínky použití.

Můžete to, prosím, zkontrolovat, zda jsem něco nepřehlédl? Zdvořilý mail už 
mám připravený, ale než ho odešlu, rád bych, aby se na to někdo podíval.

Díky.

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Re: [OSM-talk] New taginfo feature and a challenge...

2015-03-09 Thread colliar
Am 05.03.2015 um 17:28 schrieb Jochen Topf:
 Hi!
 
 Taginfo just got a new feature, it can now find keys similar to other keys.
 This is useful to find related keys, but also to find misspelled keys. I
 hope the community uses this feature to clean up those wayward keys...
 
 More at
 http://blog.jochentopf.com/2015-03-05-new-taginfo-features-and-a-challenge.html

Thanks a lot.

Not sure if it is connected but I have problems with the taginfo website.

If I want to have a closer look at a tag (key=value) like
highway=cycleway [1], I only get one page with the former tabs as links
but clicking on them does not change anything except the URL [2]. The
page stays the same.

Did try it with firefox 36 and chromium 37 on Linux with exactly the
same outcome.

Is it only my setup or do others have the same problem ?

Cheers colliar

[1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/highway=cycleway
[2] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/highway=cycleway#combinations



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Re: [OSM-ja] fixme (Re: KSJ2バス停データインポートについて(Was: Geodata Platform))

2015-03-09 Thread Satoshi IIDA
いいだです。

ただし、インポートによってこのタグを付与するのは避けよう、という状況です。
 なぜなのでしょう?
 それに削除が提案されていても、そう決定したわけじゃないのですよね?
多くの人が削除に賛同しており、少しずつ削除が行われることが確定しています。

非常に長い議論の末、まずは以下のタグが削除されることがほぼ確定しました。
222kオブジェクトほどあるようです。

   fixme=set␣better␣denotation
  denotation=cluster

Keep Rightなどの品質管理ツールを使う、Notes機能を使うなど、
fixmeタグ以外の方法を使うというひとも多数いるようです。
(もちろん、fixmeタグを使うというひとも多数います)



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Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-03-09 Thread Alex Barth
Bryce - this is an interesting review, thanks for sharing.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 As for Scout, I talked about this in my diary entry
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/28208 some time ago -
 not all of these are going to be useful and there is going to be noise.
 We're looking at improving the quality of the notes that make it through -
 which is already a tiny, tiny fraction the notes we get internally. Only
 through making mistakes do we learn how to get it right - not by not doing
 it in the first place. I would say it's a stretch to call this a 'huge
 waste' of our time - as I write this there are only a little over 100 notes
 posted on OSM through our Scout users.


For the same reason we don't just open a note for map feedback we get from
the feedback button on Mapbox maps. Only about ~~1% of all feedback we
receive winds up as a note on OpenStreetMap and that only happens after the
feedback has been reviewed manually.

In general I think it should be easier, not harder, to create notes and
 Ian's onosm is a good example of how to accomplish that. Adding artificial
 friction makes no sense to me. Less notes should not be an objective,
 smarter ways to look at them and process them should.


I agree, simplicity rules.

Some ideas to manage the overkill, not all of this is necessarily stuff
that needs to be built into osm.org:

- An interface for reviewing notes fast - this would allow for allowing
some of us to triage notes. E. g. close them or classify them as needs
local knowledge / needs armchair mapping.
- A friendly walk through for the first time user.  Hey, using notes for
the first time? Like we iD does this. Goal: set expectations of what notes
are for.
- Some ways of dealing with spam (would be useful to quantify some of the
issues you found for this)
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des données indoor : OpenLevelUp!

2015-03-09 Thread PanierAvide

Le 09/03/2015 10:31, dHuy Pierre a écrit :

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:image
Ce tag a été rejeté pour cause d'inactivité, mais utilisé sur 25 000 
nodes et 18 000 ways. Il faut noter que ce tag est aussi recommandé 
dans d'autres discussions (sur les caméras, sur le mapping de plan... etc)

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons
Ce tag est un draft.
C'est pas faux, je vais faire en sorte d'ajouter un affichage de ces 
images si l'un des deux champs est renseigné.



Sinon il y a aussi cette solution pour faire des liens entre des objets
OSM et des photos :
http://www.3liz.com/blog/rldhont/index.php?post/2013/02/18/OsmFlickr-%3A-Gestion-des-liens-OpenStreetMap-Flickr

Nicolas
C'est une alternative intéressante si l'on ne souhaite pas héberger 
soi-même ses photos, mais l'utilisation de l'ID de l'objet OSM ne risque 
pas de poser problème ? Si l'objet est recréé (objet précédemment noeud 
qui devient chemin), y a t-il un moyen de modifier toutes les photos 
avec tel ID directement ?
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[OSM-talk-ie] Maps for townlands

2015-03-09 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi

Can I have the following scanned?

26/29 SE
26/27 SE
26/25 NE

They're the remaining ones needed to complete Meath

Regards

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Re: [Talk-cz] Vykreslování turistických tras (Re: semestralni projekt - napady)

2015-03-09 Thread Marián Kyral


-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Pavel Pisa ppisa4li...@pikron.com
Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 9. 3. 2015 14:37:29
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Vykreslování turistických tras (Re: semestralni 
projekt - napady)

Zdravím,

všiml jsem si diskuze na téma vykreslování značek.

Možná jdu s křížkem po funuse, ale celosvětové vykreslování
značek ne jen pro pěší již před mnohal lety vyšešila
Sarah Hoffmann Lonvia.de. Projekt je nyní přesunutý na

http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/

Vzhledem k rozmanitosti způsobů značení nevyužívá barvy
pro trasy, ale pouze pro rozdělení tras podle důležitosti.
Značku pak přidává jako zmenšený náhled/symbol podle osmc.

Kompletní projekt je v GITu na GitHubu https://github.com/lonvia

Doplnění hledání tras by bylo pěkné.




Ty barvy jsou strašný nezvyk. Ta nastavitelná průhlednost není špatný nápad,
ale nevím, jestli by mne to po nějakém čase nezačalo otravovat. Přece jen, 
když je trase vedle cesty, vidím všechny podstatné informace najednou. 





Na druhou stranu pro českou republiku jsou mapy na poloha.net
přehlednější. I když mě by se líbilo, pokud by šlo u tras nastavit
trasparenci. Někdy vedení značky středem cesty zakrývá typ komunikace.




Jít by to mělo. Jen si s tím trochu pohrát.


http://geohackers.in/2013/10/leafelt-layer-opacity-control-using-html5-
slider/


 

Marián




Jinak studentské projekty pro openstreetmap také rádi studentům
nabídneme. Letos chceme, aby si studenti i něco s OSM daty
vyzkoušeli v rámci předmětu Open Source Programování

https://support.dce.felk.cvut.cz/osp/

Pokud by se našel čas, tak bychom si i rádi s někým o možnostech
popovídali. Čas je ale opravdu problém.

S pozdravem,

Pavel Píša
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Re: [Talk-in] Bangalore mapping party on Sunday

2015-03-09 Thread Ravi Kumar
Great event to inspire other events.

On Sun, 3/8/15, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Bangalore mapping party on Sunday
 To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org talk-in@openstreetmap.org
 Date: Sunday, March 8, 2015, 11:27 PM
 
 We had a pretty
 awesome afternoon yesterday, thanks to everyone who came.
 I've made a small report: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Events/Bangalore_Mapping_Party_1#Report
 Highlights:- Map of Indiranagar 1st
 Stage is getting really detailed now, house numbering
 coverage at 50%: http://osm.org/go/yy4fNgj6g--
 Success in rendering a fully Kannada streetmap using Mapbox
 Studio by user:yogi_ks : http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/ 
 We're hoping to get the Kannada map in print
 and out on the streets. Stay tuned for the next
 party!
 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at
 12:11 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 One of my dreams of having a Kannada
 neighborhood map got some progress last week at the map
 design workshop hosted at Mapbox: pic.twitter.com/xtC03xuZ2a
 Its pretty exciting to see this getting some
 movement and would love to have more hands to help getting
 this out on the streets. Join me this Sunday afternoon to
 play around if you are interested in doing some mapping
 together. Age no bar.
 Details: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Events/Bangalore_Mapping_Party_1
 
 -- 
 
 
 Arun Ganesh (planemad)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 
 Arun Ganesh (planemad)
 
 
 
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Re: [Talk-cz] Vykreslování turistických tras (Re: semestralni projekt - napady)

2015-03-09 Thread Petr Vejsada
Ahoj,

teď se vykreslují turistické cesty do hlavní vrstvy, ale není problém je 
vypnout.

--
Petr

Dne Út 10. března 2015 05:27:06, Marián Kyral napsal(a):

 
 Na druhou stranu pro českou republiku jsou mapy na poloha.net
 přehlednější. I když mě by se líbilo, pokud by šlo u tras nastavit
 trasparenci. Někdy vedení značky středem cesty zakrývá typ komunikace.
 
 
 
 
 Jít by to mělo. Jen si s tím trochu pohrát.
 
 
 http://geohackers.in/2013/10/leafelt-layer-opacity-control-using-html5- 
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Re: [Talk-cz] Vykreslování turistických tras (Re: semestralni projekt - napady)

2015-03-09 Thread Marián Kyral


-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Ladislav Laska la...@kam.mff.cuni.cz
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 9. 3. 2015 15:08:37
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Vykreslování turistických tras (Re: semestralni 
projekt - napady)

Inu, to vypadá podobně, jako předmět který u nás chvíli vedl Pasky na MFF :
-). 
Myslím, že se nějaké vhodně obtížná práce najde třeba v mapovátku 
Merkaartor, 
které jsem nedávno adoptoval a snažím se ho trošku zvelebovat. Třeba do té 
doby 
doženu majitele serveru k oživení webu :-)
 

Jaké jsou výhody Merkaartoru oproti JOSM (kromě toho, že je v C++)?




Marián

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-03-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 Less notes should not be an objective, smarter ways to look at them and
 process them should.
 I agree, simplicity rules.

 Some ideas to manage the overkill.


While we can build better tools to process large numbers of notes, the one
thing we can't
do under the current system is ask the person who wrote the note for more
information.  There's (usually)
just one chance to collect that information.  And when the map is updated,
is an excellent time to draw
people back to OSM for a second look (so they can take pride in having
contributed).

For both reasons I think that getting more contact information outweighs
simplicity.
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Russ Nelson
Alex Barth writes:
  It would be great to have this topic at State of the Map US as a talk,
  workshop or a mapping party http://stateofthemap.us/

Whoa! We could have a mapping party to talk about mapping parties!
Awesome!

I expect to be there. I will bring my Columbus V-990, which is the
most awesome piece of mapping hardware in existance.

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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

2015-03-09 Thread Henry Haselgrove
I agree… with a dataset this large prioritisation is important. All your 
specific suggestions for culling parts from missing.osm sound good. It would be 
easy to add an option to the scripts to exclude highway={primary, secondary, 
track}. And the suggestions you made via github look good too.

 

However, I think that some more significant changes to the script should be 
done before this data is unleased onto maproulette. The roads that are 
currently in missing.osm fall (more or less) under three categories:

-- roads that are completely absent in OSM

-- roads that appear in OSM, but have an empty name

-- roads that appear in OSM and have a non-empty name which is 
different to the datasa name, either because OSM is wrong or datasa is wrong 
(or because both are right, such as “Mount Magnificent Road” versus “Mt. 
Magnificent Road”)

 

I propose to modify the script to automatically exclude as much as possible 
from the third category. Because, it will be hard for an armchair mapper to 
decide whether OSM or datasa is wrong in those cases. I could try to do this 
over the coming week. 

 

I’m not sure I agree that the Adelaide metro area should be given particular 
priority over other areas. But I’m probably biased, since I grew up in rural SA!

 

Probably we should make a posting to the osm “imports” list before too much 
longer, to let them know what we’re thinking. 

 

From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 9 March 2015 5:32 AM
To: Henry Haselgrove
Cc: Alex Sims; OSM Australian Talk List
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

 

So, after doing this manually for a bit; it's generally working well.

 

There are some where spot checking against other sources suggests the dataset 
is wrong, how do you suggest we indicate these?

 

I've put in NOTE or FIXME on the relevant way.

 

 

The thing that is troubling me is the size of the dataset - a few hours work 
barely makes a dent.

 

I've taken to deleting all Primary/Trunk, Secondary and Track ways from the 
data set; and then cropping stuff down to the metro adelaide area; and it's 
still very sizable.

 

 

I'd be really keen on maproulette at this point - you seem to be able to 
produce updated files fairly regularly, adding a few bash scripts to turn that 
into curl friendly statements seems achievable.

 

Going to start sending a few pull requests your way to get us started on this.

 

 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 09/03/2015, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sharp curves .. would they not be obvious from the map it self .. one
 node on the sharp corner compared to many for a 'smooth' corner.'Masked'
 corners where some object hides on coming traffic (e.g. building,
 vegetation)  are also a hazard.

 These hazards exist for all kinds of traffic and not indicated on maps.
 Usually people are expected to be aware of their surroundings, not to
 rely on other aids as to what is visually obvious? :-\

From the osm perspective, all these extra bits of information may not
maped yet (road width, vegetation height...) or ever (relief). Even
when they are, deducing the visibility algorythmically is hard. You
might not want to render hazard=curve, but still want to provide it to
drive-assist software.

As for drivers being aware of their suroundings, if the local
authority decided to signpost a curvy road, it's a good hint that osm
should as well. It's not much different from tagging maxspeed.

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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

2015-03-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/osm-scripts/tree/add_maproulette is what I
started last night.

Biggest missing part is a persistent identifier, because I manipulated the
samples via JOSM first (thus nuking a repeatable task id); and it's not
100% clear around if I should be creating One Big Task GeoJSON or a lot of
little ones.

I doubt my ruby script is going to scale well to the whole dataset either;
so if you wanted to produce .geojson in the format of
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/CloCkWeRX/osm-scripts/add_maproulette/maproulette/task.json

then the rest is pretty easy!

See http://dev.maproulette.org/api/challenges?return_inactive=1 for the
project stub.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I agree… with a dataset this large prioritisation is important. All your
 specific suggestions for culling parts from missing.osm sound good. It
 would be easy to add an option to the scripts to exclude highway={primary,
 secondary, track}. And the suggestions you made via github look good too.



 However, I think that some more significant changes to the script should
 be done before this data is unleased onto maproulette. The roads that are
 currently in missing.osm fall (more or less) under three categories:

 -- roads that are completely absent in OSM

 -- roads that appear in OSM, but have an empty name

 -- roads that appear in OSM and have a non-empty name
 which is different to the datasa name, either because OSM is wrong or
 datasa is wrong (or because both are right, such as “Mount Magnificent
 Road” versus “Mt. Magnificent Road”)



 I propose to modify the script to automatically exclude as much as
 possible from the third category. Because, it will be hard for an armchair
 mapper to decide whether OSM or datasa is wrong in those cases. I could try
 to do this over the coming week.



 I’m not sure I agree that the Adelaide metro area should be given
 particular priority over other areas. But I’m probably biased, since I grew
 up in rural SA!



 Probably we should make a posting to the osm “imports” list before too
 much longer, to let them know what we’re thinking.



 *From:* Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, 9 March 2015 5:32 AM
 *To:* Henry Haselgrove
 *Cc:* Alex Sims; OSM Australian Talk List
 *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au



 So, after doing this manually for a bit; it's generally working well.



 There are some where spot checking against other sources suggests the
 dataset is wrong, how do you suggest we indicate these?



 I've put in NOTE or FIXME on the relevant way.





 The thing that is troubling me is the size of the dataset - a few hours
 work barely makes a dent.



 I've taken to deleting all Primary/Trunk, Secondary and Track ways from
 the data set; and then cropping stuff down to the metro adelaide area; and
 it's still very sizable.





 I'd be *really* keen on maproulette at this point - you seem to be able
 to produce updated files fairly regularly, adding a few bash scripts to
 turn that into curl friendly statements seems achievable.



 Going to start sending a few pull requests your way to get us started on
 this.





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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Nomear saídas de rodovia

2015-03-09 Thread thundercel

O http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/162291747 está com sentido invertido.

-Mensagem Original- 
From: belnu...@pop.com.br

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 5:14 PM
To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-br] Fwd: Nomear saídas de rodovia

2015-03-09 0:01 GMT-03:00 belnuovo em pop.com.br:




 No exemplo enviado há um erro de sentido de via

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1742045410



Não encontrei erro nenhum ao redor deste ponto, ou então alguém já corrigiu.

Gerald


Caro Gerald

Veja a entrada do viaduto Augusto Patrus vindo da MG-010 Pista Marginal .

Abraços



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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

2015-03-09 Thread Alex Barth
Casting the net a little wider:

What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
the Map?



On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hey all,

 I put together a 3 minute survey about the upcoming State of the Map US
 conference. The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of
 talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or
 organizations you would want to see a talk from. You can find the survey
 here: http://goo.gl/forms/YZpm2aPk2O

 If you don't want to fill out the survey, you can also send your opinion
 my way in an email. In any case, thanks in advance for taking the time.

 Remember, the Call for Papers will be open for another 3 weeks:
 http://stateofthemap.us/talk/

 Thanks again,
 --
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Alex Barth
It would be great to have this topic at State of the Map US as a talk,
workshop or a mapping party http://stateofthemap.us/

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd also suggest the Pushpin app for iPhones too, it's a very quick way to
 add points that you can then add the details to later. On a previous
 mapathon I was doing Pushpin while my buddy was writing down the details
 (address, hours, website etc) to add back when we got to the library. It
 worked great!

 Andrew


 On Monday, March 9, 2015, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:

 I don't want to gush in a too self-congratulatory way, but the comments,
 tone, replies... we've seen on this thread have been awesome.  Very nicely
 contributed, everybody, back pats and thumbs up all around.

 Keeping quiet for a bit now,

 SteveA
 California

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Re: [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

2015-03-09 Thread Alex Barth
Casting the net a little wider:

What do you think are the big topics and challenges for OpenStreetMap as
we're about to go into the second decade? What does this mean for State of
the Map?



On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hey all,

 I put together a 3 minute survey about the upcoming State of the Map US
 conference. The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of
 talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or
 organizations you would want to see a talk from. You can find the survey
 here: http://goo.gl/forms/YZpm2aPk2O

 If you don't want to fill out the survey, you can also send your opinion
 my way in an email. In any case, thanks in advance for taking the time.

 Remember, the Call for Papers will be open for another 3 weeks:
 http://stateofthemap.us/talk/

 Thanks again,
 --
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] sheet 5/5 sw

2015-03-09 Thread Caroline Lewis
ok - thanks :)
 On 8 Mar 2015, at 21:12, Dave Foley daf...@outlook.ie wrote:
 
 I've added 3 control points which is enough to get you started but you will 
 need to have about 20 for it to align closely.
 
 On the 'Rectify' tab you need to add matching points and then make sure you 
 click on the 'Warp Image' button at the bottom when finished.
 
 When adding points I usually choose road junctions as they are the easiest to 
 match up.
 
 dafo
 
 From: carolinele...@eircom.net
 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 20:49:27 +
 To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] sheet 5/5 sw
 
 i
 On 8 Mar 2015, at 12:50, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 Hi - i am trying to rectify sheet 5/5 sw but it is not showing up on 
 oocmaps so i guess it hasn’t been uploaded?
 I have cropped it though in map warper
 can anyone help ?  - it is mainly ocean!
 thanks
 c :)
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des données indoor : OpenLevelUp!

2015-03-09 Thread Nicolas Moyroud


D'accord, dans ce cas oui ça aurait toute sa place dans l'outil. Après 
comment ça se ferait concrètement ? Le conservateur publierait des 
photos sur Commons, et un lien serait fait avec les données dans OSM 
(il y a apparemment une clé wikimedia_commons) ?
Sinon il y a aussi cette solution pour faire des liens entre des objets 
OSM et des photos :

http://www.3liz.com/blog/rldhont/index.php?post/2013/02/18/OsmFlickr-%3A-Gestion-des-liens-OpenStreetMap-Flickr

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Re: [Talk-us] Mappy hour tomorrow!

2015-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Normally this would work out better for me but I'm either going to be
picking up the Cherry Bomb (my truck, so named after an incident in which
an ether-fuelled backfire burned off my beard and half my hair about 3
weeks ago) from the shop or comatose.

On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hey all,

 It's time for Mappy Hour tomorrow! I changed the time slot to 11am Pacific
 / 2pm Eastern, let's try that a few weeks and see if it works for more
 people. Let me know.

 https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cpiqg6sldpjconoipvhmd3skhcc

 We will start doing a theme as promised, I just don't know what it should
 be and haven't had time to think about it. Any suggestions?
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Re: [Talk-in] Bangalore mapping party on Sunday

2015-03-09 Thread Arun Ganesh
We had a pretty awesome afternoon yesterday, thanks to everyone who came.
I've made a small report:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Events/Bangalore_Mapping_Party_1#Report

Highlights:
- Map of Indiranagar 1st Stage is getting really detailed now, house
numbering coverage at 50%: http://osm.org/go/yy4fNgj6g-
- Success in rendering a fully Kannada streetmap using Mapbox Studio by
user:yogi_ks : http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/

We're hoping to get the Kannada map in print and out on the streets. Stay
tuned for the next party!

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com
wrote:

 One of my dreams of having a Kannada neighborhood map got some progress
 last week at the map design workshop hosted at Mapbox:
 pic.twitter.com/xtC03xuZ2a http://t.co/xtC03xuZ2a

 Its pretty exciting to see this getting some movement and would love to
 have more hands to help getting this out on the streets. Join me this
 Sunday afternoon to play around if you are interested in doing some mapping
 together. Age no bar.

 Details:
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Events/Bangalore_Mapping_Party_1

 --
  Arun Ganesh
 (planemad) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad
  http://j.mp/ArunGanesh




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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
There are in places bicycle specific warning signs (e.g. sharp curve
bicylists beware)
and THOSE can definitely be mapped.
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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

2015-03-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
So, after doing this manually for a bit; it's generally working well.

There are some where spot checking against other sources suggests the
dataset is wrong, how do you suggest we indicate these?

I've put in NOTE or FIXME on the relevant way.


The thing that is troubling me is the size of the dataset - a few hours
work barely makes a dent.

I've taken to deleting all Primary/Trunk, Secondary and Track ways from the
data set; and then cropping stuff down to the metro adelaide area; and it's
still very sizable.


I'd be *really* keen on maproulette at this point - you seem to be able to
produce updated files fairly regularly, adding a few bash scripts to turn
that into curl friendly statements seems achievable.

Going to start sending a few pull requests your way to get us started on
this.


On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Well spotted, Alex. It is interesting that both of the errors you have
 found have been in the “type” part of the name (e.g., street/lane/terrace
 etc). There seems to be approximately 1000 roads where the difference
 between the OSM and datasa versions is the type (excluding cases that could
 easily be determined to be typos in OSM, like terace, cresent,  etc). I
 wonder what proportion of those 1000 are errors in datasa?



 I have decided to modify my scripts so that they omit from “missing.osm”
 cases where the difference is only in the road-type portion of the name.
 The script will now put these cases into a different file,
 “different_road_type.osm”, instead. Except, the cases of obviously
 misspelled OSM road types will stay in missing.osm.



 I have placed my latest versions of missing.osm and
 different_road_type.osm in the Google Drive folder. I have also pushed the
 new versions of the scripts to Github.



 Incidentally, the scripts now put the tag “upload=false” into the .osm
 files, so that if you accidentally hit “Upload” in JOSM when you are on
 that layer bad things won’t happen!



 Cheers,



 Henry



 *From:* Alex Sims [mailto:a...@softgrow.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, 26 February 2015 1:35 AM
 *To:* OSM Australian Talk List
 *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au



 I’ve started finding errors not on OpenStreetMap but in the DPTI data.



 I’ve documented a fix process at
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Roads#Errors_in_the_source_data



 It’s not as easy as an edit on the Map but it should work



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Re: [Talk-it] no track !

2015-03-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-09 10:37 GMT+01:00 Alessandro Chiostri alech.b...@gmail.com:

 Ciao a tutti.

 Ho notato che lungo l’Arno, vicino al centro città, alcune tracce sterrate
 mostranti il passaggio di veicoli sono state taggate con Track ma non hanno
 affatto uso agricolo o forestale.

 Possono essere state create per raggiungere la pescaia ed avere scopi di
 polizia idraulica, oppure consentire alle ruspe di scendere a riva per
 rimuovere i tronchi, ma in ogni modo quale tag sarà èiù adatto ?



questi usi penso potrebbero forse ancora ricadere in track (oppure
pescaia non c'entra nulla con la pesca? Perché per me pesca rientra in
agricultura e forestale come da OSM), altrimenti service.



 Path?



-1, path non si usa per percorsi che possono essere utlizzati da veicoli a
quattro ruote



 Service? Nel caso, con quali altre specifiche ?



surface=*
non credo c'è un tag service=* che potrebbe specificare meglio il tipo di
service in questo caso.

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-09 Thread Marc Gemis
So you mean that there is at least a pole to indicate the stop, something
as on this picture [1] ?

regards

m


[1] http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2015/2015-03-08-Kester/i-LFFfVns

On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
 dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:


  Am 07.03.2015 um 20:34 schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
 
  How do we deal with bus stops that exist in transit schedules but have
 no physical presence?

 does the bus stop always at the same stop?


 If someone pulls the cord or there's someone waiting at it, yes.  But it's
 not like a bus station where the bus will always stop regardless of demand.


 Where would you wait if you wanted to take the bus at this stop?


 Next to the road roughly guesstimating the closest safe spot for the
 driver to stop at.  Occasionally an advertising company will notice the
 presence of passengers waiting and drop a bench with a billboard on it, but
 the city, the transit agency and/or the landowner they left it on are
 somewhat quick to remove them.


 Or is it just for getting off?


  No, you can board, too.

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Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
No.  There's nothing.  It just appears on the schedule.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:58 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 So you mean that there is at least a pole to indicate the stop, something
 as on this picture [1] ?

 regards

 m


 [1] http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2015/2015-03-08-Kester/i-LFFfVns

 On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
 dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:


  Am 07.03.2015 um 20:34 schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
 
  How do we deal with bus stops that exist in transit schedules but have
 no physical presence?

 does the bus stop always at the same stop?


 If someone pulls the cord or there's someone waiting at it, yes.  But
 it's not like a bus station where the bus will always stop regardless of
 demand.


 Where would you wait if you wanted to take the bus at this stop?


 Next to the road roughly guesstimating the closest safe spot for the
 driver to stop at.  Occasionally an advertising company will notice the
 presence of passengers waiting and drop a bench with a billboard on it, but
 the city, the transit agency and/or the landowner they left it on are
 somewhat quick to remove them.


 Or is it just for getting off?


  No, you can board, too.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 09/03/2015, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
 There are in places bicycle specific warning signs (e.g. sharp curve
 bicylists beware)
 and THOSE can definitely be mapped.

Agreed, we can probably draw the line on wether the hazard is
signposted. And most of the values in taginfo and the proposal look
like they can fit that criteria.

Note that http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenHazardMap seems to
use a different set of keys, with usage stats comparable to hazard=*.
We probably want to merge the two schemes together.

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Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'd tag them as highway=bus_stop (or whatever scheme you prefer, or both),
 and if you want to get detailed add stuff like bench=no, shelter=no etc.


Sounds good.  I think I need to roll back and reimport then, since this
fundamentally changes my conflation and tagging strategy (and not to
mention does make it *way* easier now).


 You'd likely have to know the area well in order to locate those spots,


A problem I'm trying to solve.  ;o)


 or are they dynamic (meaning you can waive your hand in any place along
 the route and the bus will stop)? In this case I'd not map any bus stops
 (as there aren't actually spots).


Also possible so much as there isn't an actually signposted stop within 1
city block.  But that does solve the other question.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des données indoor : OpenLevelUp!

2015-03-09 Thread dHuy Pierre
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:imageCe tag a été rejeté pour cause 
d'inactivité, mais utilisé sur 25 000 nodes et 18 000 ways. Il faut noter que 
ce tag est aussi recommandé dans d'autres discussions (sur les caméras, sur le 
mapping de plan... etc)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commonsCe tag est un draft.

 

 Le Lundi 9 mars 2015 10h16, Nicolas Moyroud nmoyr...@free.fr a écrit :
   

 
 D'accord, dans ce cas oui ça aurait toute sa place dans l'outil. Après 
 comment ça se ferait concrètement ? Le conservateur publierait des 
 photos sur Commons, et un lien serait fait avec les données dans OSM 
 (il y a apparemment une clé wikimedia_commons) ?
Sinon il y a aussi cette solution pour faire des liens entre des objets 
OSM et des photos :
http://www.3liz.com/blog/rldhont/index.php?post/2013/02/18/OsmFlickr-%3A-Gestion-des-liens-OpenStreetMap-Flickr

Nicolas

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[Talk-it] no track !

2015-03-09 Thread Alessandro Chiostri
Ciao a tutti.

Ho notato che lungo l’Arno, vicino al centro città, alcune tracce sterrate
mostranti il passaggio di veicoli sono state taggate con Track ma non hanno
affatto uso agricolo o forestale.

Possono essere state create per raggiungere la pescaia ed avere scopi di
polizia idraulica, oppure consentire alle ruspe di scendere a riva per
rimuovere i tronchi, ma in ogni modo quale tag sarà èiù adatto ?

Path?

Service? Nel caso, con quali altre specifiche ?



Ciao,

Ale.
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Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-08 16:12 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:

 On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
 dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:


 If someone pulls the cord or there's someone waiting at it, yes.  But it's
 not like a bus station where the bus will always stop regardless of demand.



I won't see this as a problem, indeed in rural areas around here, almost
all bus stops (with exception of the terminal stop and some important ones
in city centers) work like this.





 Where would you wait if you wanted to take the bus at this stop?


 Next to the road roughly guesstimating the closest safe spot for the
 driver to stop at.



I'd put the stop in OSM at that position. Even if it is not marked in any
way (what would be easier for mapping purposes) it is still a bus stop in
the end.





 Or is it just for getting off?


  No, you can board, too.



I'd tag them as highway=bus_stop (or whatever scheme you prefer, or both),
and if you want to get detailed add stuff like bench=no, shelter=no etc.
You'd likely have to know the area well in order to locate those spots, or
are they dynamic (meaning you can waive your hand in any place along the
route and the bus will stop)? In this case I'd not map any bus stops (as
there aren't actually spots).

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-08 12:24 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:

  Am 08.03.2015 um 11:53 schrieb Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com:
 
  I actually wonder, if this is a case for WikiProject Cleanup?


 +1, the German page is not a translation of the proposal page, but the
 latter is much older and dates back to 2007.



I propose the German page for deletion. The only 3 documented values occur
1, 1 and 2 times, so this is clearly not a page documenting best practise,
and should have been added in the proposal name space.

Is there a template to propose page deletions in the wiki so WikiProject
Cleanup gets noticed?

Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-at] Minimundus und OLM

2015-03-09 Thread martin ringer
Daran war ich beteiligt, kenn ich, danke!
Ich hätte gerne gewusst, welche Taggs ich bei den Objekten anfügen/ändern muss, 
damit diese von Openlinkmap angezeigt werden und die User einen Mehrwert haben.

 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 17:51:40 +0100
 From: norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com
 To: talk-at@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-at] Minimundus und OLM
 
 On 03/08/2015 08:54 AM, martin ringer wrote:
  Kann mir jemand verraten, warum die POIs von Minimundus auf openlinkmap 
  nicht mehr dargestellt werden?
 
 Möglicherweise hat es mit der Diskussion vom April 2013 zu tun, wo es
 genau darum ging, dass die Wikipedia Links nur auf das echte Bauwerk
 gehören und nicht auf jedes nachgebaute Modell:
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-at/2013-April/005586.html
 
 Norbert
 
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-09 Thread SomeoneElse

On 08/03/2015 15:12, Paul Johnson wrote:


If someone pulls the cord or there's someone waiting at it, yes.  But 
it's not like a bus station where the bus will always stop regardless 
of demand.




In the UK customary stops like this tend to get tagged as 
physically_present=no:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/502390265

Cheers,

Andy


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