Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: > Hi all, > I've been working on getting the base map in place in my rural community, > now I'd like to get new contributors filling in the details with tag > amenities etc. > > I started working on a 'Put your community on The Map' poster, but my > artistic skill are that artistic, which I think would be an effective > tool. > > >> It took me a while to develop a mapping style. I tried riding blocks by >> bicycle, but that's not very enticing to me. Now I follow some cycle >> routes and map all the side streets/paths I encounter. This results in >> quite a lot of 'stumps', but I'm sure somebody else or myself later on >> will pick up where I left off, wiki style. >> >> > > I think that these stumps are a good idea, particularly in rural Canada > where it's extremely unlikely that all of the range/township roads are > ever going to get driven. > > Just whizzing past them on the highway and taking a shot of the sign to > label the stub would be a good job for the co-driver. These stubs can then > be traced from aerial maps. > In fact I got myself a Bluetooth keyboard. If I can't stand still and take pictures up close (like I do when riding the bicycle, they are no good). This keyboard allows me to use the bus or when riding with somebody else for mapping purposes. Of course it helps that I can type with all 10 fingers. Polyglot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
Hi all, I've been working on getting the base map in place in my rural community, now I'd like to get new contributors filling in the details with tag amenities etc. I started working on a 'Put your community on The Map' poster, but my artistic skill are that artistic, which I think would be an effective tool. > It took me a while to develop a mapping style. I tried riding blocks by > bicycle, but that's not very enticing to me. Now I follow some cycle > routes and map all the side streets/paths I encounter. This results in > quite a lot of 'stumps', but I'm sure somebody else or myself later on > will pick up where I left off, wiki style. > I think that these stumps are a good idea, particularly in rural Canada where it's extremely unlikely that all of the range/township roads are ever going to get driven. Just whizzing past them on the highway and taking a shot of the sign to label the stub would be a good job for the co-driver. These stubs can then be traced from aerial maps. Cheers, Mungewell. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
mariner wrote: > hy guys, I signed up yesterday and I haven't got any mail. > > At the moment I understand the basics of the system. But not more. > > It's hard I think to learn it in a efficent way. I think the wiki is to > messy. A clear structure in there would help while doing the first > steps.. And may some better descriptions about the do's and don't's > using JOSM would also help.. > > or are there sch pages and I haven't found them? > > cheers > Hi Mariner, It took me a few days to get started and about a month to get fully up to speed harvesting and entering data. I started on the main page, consumed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide devoured a few months of mailing lists messages in the archive of talk, tentatively mapped the river that passes my home town with Potlatch. There certainly is enough information floating around and further it takes some experimentation, advancing little by little. I use both JOSM and Potlatch because I think they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but generally they complement each other well. It took me a while to develop a mapping style. I tried riding blocks by bicycle, but that's not very enticing to me. Now I follow some cycle routes and map all the side streets/paths I encounter. This results in quite a lot of 'stumps', but I'm sure somebody else or myself later on will pick up where I left off, wiki style. Polyglot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
mariner wrote: > It's hard I think to learn it in a efficent way. I think the wiki > is to > messy. Yeah, I and (I think) lots of other people agree. There's an 'edit' tab if you want to do something about it. :) cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
hy guys, I signed up yesterday and I haven't got any mail. At the moment I understand the basics of the system. But not more. It's hard I think to learn it in a efficent way. I think the wiki is to messy. A clear structure in there would help while doing the first steps.. And may some better descriptions about the do's and don't's using JOSM would also help.. or are there sch pages and I haven't found them? cheers Rob wrote: > just a thought: do new users get a welcome email ? > if so, they could be guided/pointed to the maillinglist, forum, wiki, irc.. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
At 12:09 PM 3/13/2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: ... >However it is not easy to contact new users if they wish to remain in the >background. We could however help the project without compromising privacy >if we obtained a little more information at signup (www) and then provided >those new users with the names of those near them that are willing to help >answer questions. If all users selected their location (dropdown list of >country/city or clickable map), then this would be easy to do. Additionally >users who wish to be "mentors" can mark their own user pages with this >election and the server can do the rest. Neither party need know where the >other actually resides but simply that they have an interest/reside in the >same basic geographical area. That might be same country, region or city. > >We all keep promoting the community spirit of OSM but we don't exactly make >it very easy to be a social community when you first sign up. > >Anyone else have some ideas? Stealing some of the ideas already suggested, a key thing would be to get in engagement in, or at least awareness of, some of the community resources *immediately* on sign up. I guess a "new user" by definition is one who signs up at http://www.openstreetmap.org/create-account.html (as distinct from the wiki). 1) Further encourage folks to to sign up by putting a link in the main page "OpenStreetMap is a free editable map ..." box that non-logged in users see. Yes, there is a "sign up" link, but it does not explain why or encourage! 2) Expand the sign up page: - pre-checked main and/or new newbie mailing list tick boxes (but easy and obvious to opt out) - drop-down country and state/city box as Andy suggests. 3) A welcome email with some of the key starter links on the wiki and an invitation to the country-specific mailing list of country selected and said mailing list exists (hmm, can that be confirmed programmatically?). 4) Needs thinking through, but some sort of easy path to also signing up for a wiki account and using the neat "Your home" feature on the User details settings page. I remember I found it a little confusing that I had to sign-up twice. Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
David Earl wrote: > One thing I am considering putting into JOSM is a "message of the day" > facility, so that we can let people who aren't on the mailing lists know > that there are important changes. > > The same could be done in Potlatch. Not a bad idea, as long as it's done sparingly - i.e. we only use it when there's something important to say - and with some discernment so that Potlatch users don't see JOSM-specific messages, and vice versa. In addition, for a while I've been considering making Potlatch aware of a "wiki" tag. So if you tagged (say) the Swaffham Bulbeck place node with "wiki=Ely", Potlatch would pop up a little message saying "Click here to discuss mapping this area", hyperlinked to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Ely . cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
just a thought: do new users get a welcome email ? if so, they could be guided/pointed to the maillinglist, forum, wiki, irc.. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Edoardo Marascalchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [disclaimer mode on] > i'm sorry for my bad english, i'm italian and i never attended english > classes... > [disclaimer mode off] Your English is fine, and certainly better than my Italian. > Can i ask for the n-th time to have enabled the wiki Special:newusers > plugin and to modify the welcome message to the newly registered users > at the www website to please him to register on the wiki too and to add > to their user page the Geographical categories? First up, if you want something like that done a ticket in trac is more like to get noticed than a message on the mailing list. More to the point it certainly won't be forgotten about. More importantly, you need to tell me exactly what I need to do as I know nothing about mediawiki. So tell me where I gave to go to get this plugin and what I have to do with it to install it and it's much more likely to happen than if you just make a vague request. As far as changing the main website goes, a patch will go a long way, or add a ticket in trac and somebody will hopefully get a chance to look at it. > Right now is quite easy to find new user edits in Italy just because we > are "blank", but in context like London or Nederlands, new users could > be newer noticed and aproached. Well hopefully they will set their home location and then they will show up on the "nearby users" list for other people in the area. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
David Earl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Sent: 13 March 2008 11:33 AM >To: Andy Robinson (blackadder) >Cc: 'Edoardo Marascalchi'; talk@openstreetmap.org; 'talk- >it_at_openstreetmap' >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users > >On 13/03/2008 11:09, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: >> Edorado, I am of the same view. We have fast approaching 30,000 >registered >> users and only a small number of those regularly contribute to the >project. >> Encouraging and helping more to do so should be an aim of the project. >> >> However it is not easy to contact new users if they wish to remain in the >> background. ... > >One thing I am considering putting into JOSM is a "message of the day" >facility, so that we can let people who aren't on the mailing lists know >that there are important changes. > >The same could be done in Potlatch. > >These two are the key points of contact for pretty much everyone who is >contributing at least something. > Interesting idea, although that won't reach out to those users who never try either of course. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
On 13/03/2008 11:09, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: > Edorado, I am of the same view. We have fast approaching 30,000 registered > users and only a small number of those regularly contribute to the project. > Encouraging and helping more to do so should be an aim of the project. > > However it is not easy to contact new users if they wish to remain in the > background. ... One thing I am considering putting into JOSM is a "message of the day" facility, so that we can let people who aren't on the mailing lists know that there are important changes. The same could be done in Potlatch. These two are the key points of contact for pretty much everyone who is contributing at least something. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users
Edoardo Marascalchi wrote: >Sent: 13 March 2008 10:49 AM >To: talk@openstreetmap.org; talk-it_at_openstreetmap >Subject: [OSM-talk] Contacting new users > >[disclaimer mode on] >i'm sorry for my bad english, i'm italian and i never attended english >classes... >[disclaimer mode off] > >I'm here again with the same question as above... > >I'm trying to find the new users browsing the map for new edits and >searching the user name rendered near the ways, but this is a very >time-consuming way > >Can i ask for the n-th time to have enabled the wiki Special:newusers >plugin and to modify the welcome message to the newly registered users >at the www website to please him to register on the wiki too and to add >to their user page the Geographical categories? > >[[Category:Users in _your_country|_your_nick_]] >[[Category:Users in _your_town_|_your_nick_]] > >Right now is quite easy to find new user edits in Italy just because we >are "blank", but in context like London or Nederlands, new users could >be newer noticed and aproached. >I think we should be pro-active to new users to help in the first edits >and to resolve the tipical problems. >Too often new users register only to the www and ignore the wiki side of >the projet! > >I'm strongly convinced we have to catch the new users in a couple of days.. > Edorado, I am of the same view. We have fast approaching 30,000 registered users and only a small number of those regularly contribute to the project. Encouraging and helping more to do so should be an aim of the project. However it is not easy to contact new users if they wish to remain in the background. We could however help the project without compromising privacy if we obtained a little more information at signup (www) and then provided those new users with the names of those near them that are willing to help answer questions. If all users selected their location (dropdown list of country/city or clickable map), then this would be easy to do. Additionally users who wish to be "mentors" can mark their own user pages with this election and the server can do the rest. Neither party need know where the other actually resides but simply that they have an interest/reside in the same basic geographical area. That might be same country, region or city. We all keep promoting the community spirit of OSM but we don't exactly make it very easy to be a social community when you first sign up. Anyone else have some ideas? Cheers Andy >Edoardo >-- >Edoardo Marascalchi >ICT Consultant > >website: http://www.edoardomarascalchi.it >skype: My status > >___ >talk mailing list >talk@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
