Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:01 AM, yvecai wrote: > > You can ask the actual devs from all these already existing apps to let > their baby to contribute to an official one, or simply bet on the best horse > and collaborate to make it the de-facto standard. Yes, this can be the one of the solutions. All the developers can contribute a little to make the best out of all. Thank You. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: > A nice one would not simply give you one specific distribution, because you > want to use Linux. > Instead there would be some questions: what do you want to do with it? use > it as a windows replacement for office work, or for driver developement? > doing graphical stuff or running a server - and so on. > With regard to the answers there may be one or a few chosen distributions > the asked person would give you probably, and that's completely okay. Okay, yes having a number of option is a good thing but I think this 20 or 30 at the most would be good enough and can fulfill the purpose, but there is about 500 approximately. > If I ask you, which computer game to buy as a christmas present, you would > ask back, who should get it, too, and don't recommend the same for a > hardcore gamer as you would recommend for my 5 year old sister - and for me, > that sounds reasonable. If I take the example of maps: Google Maps is the best example of your every question, almost everyone uses these maps and comes default with the most of the smart-phones, although there are many Google maps based other applications most of the people love to use official releases and sometimes they don't even bother to change them. The other reference is I can take from Social Networking Website: Facebook is currently having 750 million accounts, and is it not a surprising thing that how taste of so many people meeting at one place and after that is twitter having the maximum number of users. Although there are so many social networking website exist. > If you want an "official" OSM application - what should it be able to do? > viewing osm maps? that's possible with hundrets of applications - and with > the osm.org website, too. > editing? There are people who prefer JOSM and others who prefer potlatch. > Both are highly connected and associated with osm without being "official". > routing? What kind of routing? How fast? online? offline? As I told earlier, that first of all the most basic features displaying maps should be both online and offline, along with the navigation and and tracking. > If you would want to make an official app supporting everything, I promise, > this is not stable for a long time, as it's very much maintenance work. > If you would want to do that supporting all(tm) platforms (android, iphone, > windows mobile, windows, linux, mac-os desktops, ...) it's much much more > difficult, and if you would not want to support some of these platforms, but > call it "official" you have to explain, why osm "officially" supports one > platform, but the other one. Ohh, That means I am talking about a very big thing. Thank You. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On 29. 11. 11 13:01, kenneth gonsalves wrote: we can live with it - according to me it is a good situation as this is how open source works. (and works well). You can ask the actual devs from all these already existing apps to let their baby to contribute to an official one, or simply bet on the best horse and collaborate to make it the de-facto standard. Yves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On 29/11/2011 12:30, Parveen Arora wrote: the moment when you will ask some one to recommend any of one among all there will be lot of different opinions, and there are approximately 500 distros of Linux available which I think is not required and is wastage of resources, time and energy. The cost of having to choose is less than the cost of not being able to choose. Central planning is the most efficient way to organize production - given perfect information. Were we able to collect and synthesize the requirements of all users, there would be an optimum set of programs covering them all at the least cost possible. Alas, most of us don't even quite understand what we need for ourselves - hence the need for continuously generating diversity to achieve global requirements coverage through trial and error on a massive scale, which free software makes easier than ever. In summary: diversity is a feature, not a bug. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 17:26 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:08 PM, kenneth gonsalves > wrote: > > not possible given the size of the community and the wildly varying > > viewpoints of the members. Remember OSM has a very low threshold for > > membership - and the lower the threshold, the looser the community. > > Then what should we do? > or what can be the possibilities according to you. we can live with it - according to me it is a good situation as this is how open source works. (and works well). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
Am 29.11.2011 12:30, schrieb Parveen Arora: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: Your question is the same as if someone asked "why isn't there an official Linux; not Ubuntu, not Mint, not Debian, but simply official Linux distribution". No doubt this is a good approach, but the moment when you will ask some one to recommend any of one among all there will be lot of different opinions, and there are approximately 500 distros of Linux available which I think is not required and is wastage of resources, time and energy. A nice one would not simply give you one specific distribution, because you want to use Linux. Instead there would be some questions: what do you want to do with it? use it as a windows replacement for office work, or for driver developement? doing graphical stuff or running a server - and so on. With regard to the answers there may be one or a few chosen distributions the asked person would give you probably, and that's completely okay. If I ask you, which computer game to buy as a christmas present, you would ask back, who should get it, too, and don't recommend the same for a hardcore gamer as you would recommend for my 5 year old sister - and for me, that sounds reasonable. Open source and open data don't work that way. A healthy ecosystem with lots of apps is the goal. Nothing is always perfect, One have to always work to things better and better. If you think the current system is absolutely right and there is no need of any change then it is ok. But someone on this thread told me that OSM is a loose community so I wondered why its like that, Can't we come as a strong community or organisation. OSM worldwide is a loose community, but there are some strong local communities and some individual connections between different local communities on top of that. And that's fine. It's not more complex than necessary, but it's possible to keep different opinions and styles for different groups. Some people want to meet regularly - and do so, others want to do their own thing individually most of the time. Some people want to start mapping projects with a specific goal, others feel good by continuously contributing small stuff. Next people (but only a few) are happy by fixing bugs in their lunch break, but not doing anything else. If you want an "official" OSM application - what should it be able to do? viewing osm maps? that's possible with hundrets of applications - and with the osm.org website, too. editing? There are people who prefer JOSM and others who prefer potlatch. Both are highly connected and associated with osm without being "official". routing? What kind of routing? How fast? online? offline? If you would want to make an official app supporting everything, I promise, this is not stable for a long time, as it's very much maintenance work. If you would want to do that supporting all(tm) platforms (android, iphone, windows mobile, windows, linux, mac-os desktops, ...) it's much much more difficult, and if you would not want to support some of these platforms, but call it "official" you have to explain, why osm "officially" supports one platform, but the other one. I don't think, anything would get better by this. regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:08 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: > not possible given the size of the community and the wildly varying > viewpoints of the members. Remember OSM has a very low threshold for > membership - and the lower the threshold, the looser the community. Then what should we do? or what can be the possibilities according to you. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 17:00 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > But someone on this thread told me that OSM is a loose community so I > wondered why its like that, Can't we come as a strong community or > organisation. not possible given the size of the community and the wildly varying viewpoints of the members. Remember OSM has a very low threshold for membership - and the lower the threshold, the looser the community. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Your question is the same as if someone asked "why isn't there an official > Linux; not Ubuntu, not Mint, not Debian, but simply official Linux > distribution". No doubt this is a good approach, but the moment when you will ask some one to recommend any of one among all there will be lot of different opinions, and there are approximately 500 distros of Linux available which I think is not required and is wastage of resources, time and energy. > Open source and open data don't work that way. A healthy ecosystem with lots > of apps is the goal. Nothing is always perfect, One have to always work to things better and better. If you think the current system is absolutely right and there is no need of any change then it is ok. But someone on this thread told me that OSM is a loose community so I wondered why its like that, Can't we come as a strong community or organisation. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
Your question is the same as if someone asked "why isn't there an official Linux; not Ubuntu, not Mint, not Debian, but simply official Linux distribution". Open source and open data don't work that way. A healthy ecosystem with lots of apps is the goal. Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Toby Murray wrote: > I'm not sure how you propose that "OSM" write an application. First of > all, would it be a map display/use app or a map data editing app? It should be just a map display with basic features(not all in one) which should only use the data of osm and osm layers to show the map. This application should be of name 'OSM' or should having the recommendation of OSM community to use it. > Typically when you try to write everything in one, it gets unwieldy > and hard to use. Yes, I am agree with you for this as I said earlier it should have only the basic features like display map, routing, navigation and track recording. > Do you want the OSMF board to write the code? Do you > want them to pay someone to write the code just so it can be > "official"? No I don't want to pay them to someone else. > That's not how OSM works. The OSMF runs basic > infrastructure and that's it. The community writes applications, > documentation, editors, etc. The same way I want that the community should write this application or should start it as a project or they can also recommend a already built application which only servers OSM data. > And that's what has happened for smartphones. I have 7 different OSM > related apps on my android and use them all for different things. As I concluded from the above discussion OSMAnd is the best one available and having the maximum features. But still I would like to ask you that which application would you recommend to someone to use from the all seven you are using. > I can get on- and off-line rendering and routing including turn-by-turn > voice navigation, data collection, and data editing apps which covers > pretty much everything OSM related I want to do on my phone. > > And in case you haven't found it yet, there is a big link right at the > top of http://osmand.net that goes directly to the nightly .apk file > for free. I have found it and already installed it on my device. Thank You for help. My point is just simple that how many of the people are using any common application related to OSM?, Just like openstreetmap.org there should also be one application named with OSM by OSM community, It doesn't matter on which infrastructure it has been built e.g osm.org uses portlatch for map editing, mapnik and mod_tile for rendering etc. Its just a idea to unite all the community and people to use one common application, but people can install as many applications as they want it will completely their choice. Because If people are not collaborating with OSM or open source day by day, for whom we are doing all this, writing a lot of application collecting all the data, they may be happy with using other organisation's map. PS: I have only represented my views, I don't want to hurt the feelings of anyone and I have no objection to use any application or software. So I apologies if someone felt so because of me. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Parveen Arora wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: >> I understand your desire to have an "official" application. If you'll >> notice, though, there is no "official" OSM editor. Instead, there's >> Potlatch for in-browser editing > Ohh, Yes there are different tools combined together to make OSM work. > > But I will still prefer to have something from OSM, because it doesn't > matter how many applications use osm data or how much better they are, > If application from OSM will be in the market people will definitely > like to use it. > > Same as there can be a lot of applications using Google maps but most > of the people prefer to use services being provided by Google itself > and moreover all the smart phones having android or ios are loaded > with google's map by default. > > So If there can be some core application from OSM only then we can > move the heavy number of users to use OSM and its data and one will > only contribute to it if he/she will use it and only then we can have > better and updated maps. > > Its very necessary unite all the community and fulfill the demand of > increasing maps through smart phones. > > I hope admins will be listening to my voice and something better will > be done soon. I'm not sure how you propose that "OSM" write an application. First of all, would it be a map display/use app or a map data editing app? Typically when you try to write everything in one, it gets unwieldy and hard to use. Do you want the OSMF board to write the code? Do you want them to pay someone to write the code just so it can be "official"? That's not how OSM works. The OSMF runs basic infrastructure and that's it. The community writes applications, documentation, editors, etc. And that's what has happened for smartphones. I have 7 different OSM related apps on my android and use them all for different things. I can get on- and off-line rendering and routing including turn-by-turn voice navigation, data collection, and data editing apps which covers pretty much everything OSM related I want to do on my phone. And in case you haven't found it yet, there is a big link right at the top of http://osmand.net that goes directly to the nightly .apk file for free. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On 28. 11. 11 09:18, Nick Whitelegg wrote: It worked well. It planned a route to the bus terminal in Seoul, which generally matched the route the bus actually took (naturally, I had no influence over the route the driver took). The moving map is quite mesmerising and all drawn from OSM vector data in real time. Incidentally do any of the available Android apps actually do route-planning client-side? I can imagine it would be rather slow, so I'm guessing the answer is perhaps no, but it would be good to have route planning in my own app and if someone's already written open source code to do planning, that would be good. Osmand can do Routing offline, at least in the latest build. Yves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: > Navit is available for Android, and it's probably very easy for you to try > it out. It's still 'under development', so not as slick as you might > expect, but it does work. Yes I have installed Navit, but unfortunately it didn't even started for me, my phone got hanged whenever I try to start it. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
I tried Navit a few weeks ago, and I keep using it. Offline vector maps, no internet access needed, the search engine isn't bad, ...Thanks to the xml file navit.xml, we can customize the app (ui, vehicle with no toll, stylesheets for maps, ...). It's free and opensource. However, the ui is not very convenient at the beginning. 2011/11/28 Nick Whitelegg > > > > >It worked well. It planned a route to the bus terminal in Seoul, which > >generally matched the route the bus actually took (naturally, I had no > >influence over the route the driver took). The moving map is quite > >mesmerising and all drawn from OSM vector data in real time. > > Incidentally do any of the available Android apps actually do > route-planning client-side? > I can imagine it would be rather slow, so I'm guessing the answer is > perhaps no, but > it would be good to have route planning in my own app and if someone's > already written > open source code to do planning, that would be good. > > Thanks, > Nick > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: > I understand your desire to have an "official" application. If you'll > notice, though, there is no "official" OSM editor. Instead, there's > Potlatch for in-browser editing Ohh, Yes there are different tools combined together to make OSM work. But I will still prefer to have something from OSM, because it doesn't matter how many applications use osm data or how much better they are, If application from OSM will be in the market people will definitely like to use it. Same as there can be a lot of applications using Google maps but most of the people prefer to use services being provided by Google itself and moreover all the smart phones having android or ios are loaded with google's map by default. So If there can be some core application from OSM only then we can move the heavy number of users to use OSM and its data and one will only contribute to it if he/she will use it and only then we can have better and updated maps. Its very necessary unite all the community and fulfill the demand of increasing maps through smart phones. I hope admins will be listening to my voice and something better will be done soon. Thank You. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
>It worked well. It planned a route to the bus terminal in Seoul, which >generally matched the route the bus actually took (naturally, I had no >influence over the route the driver took). The moving map is quite >mesmerising and all drawn from OSM vector data in real time. Incidentally do any of the available Android apps actually do route-planning client-side? I can imagine it would be rather slow, so I'm guessing the answer is perhaps no, but it would be good to have route planning in my own app and if someone's already written open source code to do planning, that would be good. Thanks, Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
Mike N wrote: > On 11/27/2011 4:30 PM, yvecai wrote: > >> Unless you are talking about a very small area, say just a > kilometer > >> or so across, I don 't think you are likely to get good results > trying > >> to render maps directly on the phone. Phones are rather limited in > >> memory and CPU speed compared to even a low-end desktop or laptop > >> computer. > >> > > John, you would be very surprised by the vector rendering on some > phones: > > You can load 1GB pbf of your country in a phone, and browse the map. > As > > simple as that ! > > I've been playing with the new PocketEarth, recently released for IOS. > > It browses very smoothly between max zoom and min zoom - progressively > > removing or adding details. > http://www.geomagik.com/en/pocketearth.html > I played around a bit with the vector-map mode of OSMAND today, and found that it worked better than I had expected. Whatever rules it has for deciding what to draw at a given zoom level work well. I had mixed results with searching for POIs. None of the restaurants near me that are in the OSM database were found if I search for restaurants, but they are found if I search for them by name. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
This weekend I took a bus trip to Seoul. I installed Navit and gpsd on my netbook, plugged in a USB gps receiver, and downloaded OSM data for all Korea using Navit's download tool. It worked well. It planned a route to the bus terminal in Seoul, which generally matched the route the bus actually took (naturally, I had no influence over the route the driver took). The moving map is quite mesmerising and all drawn from OSM vector data in real time. Navit is available for Android, and it's probably very easy for you to try it out. It's still 'under development', so not as slick as you might expect, but it does work. http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On 11/27/2011 4:30 PM, yvecai wrote: Unless you are talking about a very small area, say just a kilometer or so across, I don 't think you are likely to get good results trying to render maps directly on the phone. Phones are rather limited in memory and CPU speed compared to even a low-end desktop or laptop computer. John, you would be very surprised by the vector rendering on some phones: You can load 1GB pbf of your country in a phone, and browse the map. As simple as that ! I've been playing with the new PocketEarth, recently released for IOS. It browses very smoothly between max zoom and min zoom - progressively removing or adding details. http://www.geomagik.com/en/pocketearth.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
Parveen Arora writes: > One more thing about all third party applications is that their tile > rendering is blocked at higher zoom levels that's why i want osm's own > application without using any third party. I understand your desire to have an "official" application. If you'll notice, though, there is no "official" OSM editor. Instead, there's Potlatch for in-browser editing (I know of no serious competition to it, but there's definitely room for one written to use HTML5), and JOSM and Mercartor for application editing. A fellow was working on an editor written in Python, but he gave up after the API changed to remove segments and introduce relations. I use MapDroyd and have purchased NavDroyd. Same software; same UI; NavDroyd includes routing. I can't recommend it because it has some serious UI problems (can't get it to stay north oriented; stops tracking when you zoom in/out; doesn't use multitouch), and because its maps are proprietary, I can't change them to include abandoned railroads.[ -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On 27. 11. 11 22:20, John F. Eldredge wrote: Parveen Arora wrote: Hi all, Please let me know some good application to use vector data of osm on android phone becase tiles needs a lot of bandwidth to access the maps easily. I have tried many applications but not found any satisfactory applocation till now. All the applications availble are third party applications and ask to pay for them at some point. I want to know is there any official osm application for android or if there is any work going on it. Unless you are talking about a very small area, say just a kilometer or so across, I don 't think you are likely to get good results trying to render maps directly on the phone. Phones are rather limited in memory and CPU speed compared to even a low-end desktop or laptop computer. John, you would be very surprised by the vector rendering on some phones: You can load 1GB pbf of your country in a phone, and browse the map. As simple as that ! Yves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
Jo writes: > Did you see this presentation from SOTM 2011 in Denver? > > http://fosslc.org/drupal/content/building-efficient-map-apps-using-osm-vector-source-data > > That looks like an awesome application. What I don't understand completely, > if it actually exists as an application, or whether it's simply a basis for > creating applications, a software library. Martin Havnør mentions an application in the IOS app store, built on the inMAP API. Doesn't say a word about Android. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
Parveen Arora wrote: > Hi all, > > Please let me know some good application to use vector data of osm on > android phone becase tiles needs a lot of bandwidth to access the maps > easily. > > I have tried many applications but not found any satisfactory > applocation > till now. > > All the applications availble are third party applications and ask to > pay > for them at some point. > > I want to know is there any official osm application for android or if > there is any work going on it. > Unless you are talking about a very small area, say just a kilometer or so across, I don 't think you are likely to get good results trying to render maps directly on the phone. Phones are rather limited in memory and CPU speed compared to even a low-end desktop or laptop computer. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
Did you see this presentation from SOTM 2011 in Denver? http://fosslc.org/drupal/content/building-efficient-map-apps-using-osm-vector-source-data That looks like an awesome application. What I don't understand completely, if it actually exists as an application, or whether it's simply a basis for creating applications, a software library. Jo 2011/11/27 Parveen Arora > > On 27 Nov 2011 17:08, "David Paleino" wrote: > > > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:54:43 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > > > > > Yes i am also using this OSMand and almost all the applications > mentioned > > > on the wiki page of osm for android. > > > Only osmand+ is having the facility to use vector data not the free > version > > > of it and I have also not found any other freely available application > to > > > use vector data. > > > > If you did read the messages better, you would have seen that OsmAnd+ is > not > > necessarily to be paid ;) > > The pay version is really a "donation"; but you can get that same version > > without paying. > > Okay, I am tavelling currently so I felt the need of point I have raised. > I will try to use as explained in above message, Do I need to do anything > extra to use that means like compilation or packaging etc. or it is > available for direct use. > > > > Almost all the applications available in the android market are cheap > but > > > not all the users personally me would like to pay for using it because > its > > > data is already being provided by osm free of cost. > > > > Then we think differently :) > > I think that donations to free/opensource developers are a good way to > support > > them (i.e. free software shouldn't necessarily be "free as in beer") > > I am completely agree with your point but the thing is about osm's own > application. I wish more and more users to use osm. There are lot of other > methods to get paid from applications like adds and support . > > Because Google has never asked me to use all of its features and that is > also without any kind of adds. > > One more thing about all third party applications is that their tile > rendering is blocked at higher zoom levels that's why i want osm's own > application without using any third party. > > Thank You. > > -- > Parveen Arora > From my phone. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On 27 Nov 2011 17:08, "David Paleino" wrote: > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:54:43 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > > > Yes i am also using this OSMand and almost all the applications mentioned > > on the wiki page of osm for android. > > Only osmand+ is having the facility to use vector data not the free version > > of it and I have also not found any other freely available application to > > use vector data. > > If you did read the messages better, you would have seen that OsmAnd+ is not > necessarily to be paid ;) > The pay version is really a "donation"; but you can get that same version > without paying. Okay, I am tavelling currently so I felt the need of point I have raised. I will try to use as explained in above message, Do I need to do anything extra to use that means like compilation or packaging etc. or it is available for direct use. > > Almost all the applications available in the android market are cheap but > > not all the users personally me would like to pay for using it because its > > data is already being provided by osm free of cost. > > Then we think differently :) > I think that donations to free/opensource developers are a good way to support > them (i.e. free software shouldn't necessarily be "free as in beer") I am completely agree with your point but the thing is about osm's own application. I wish more and more users to use osm. There are lot of other methods to get paid from applications like adds and support . Because Google has never asked me to use all of its features and that is also without any kind of adds. One more thing about all third party applications is that their tile rendering is blocked at higher zoom levels that's why i want osm's own application without using any third party. Thank You. -- Parveen Arora >From my phone. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vector maps for Android
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 09:24, Parveen Arora wrote: > Hi all, > > Please let me know some good application to use vector data of osm on > android phone becase tiles needs a lot of bandwidth to access the maps Just a question how does Kothic-JS work on Android. It takes about 500MB of memory to render a page on my machine so it might not be very useful on android.. Try it at: http://kothic.org/js/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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-- Parveen Arora >From my phone. On 27 Nov 2011 17:08, "David Paleino" wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:54:43 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > > > Yes i am also using this OSMand and almost all the applications mentioned > > on the wiki page of osm for android. > > Only osmand+ is having the facility to use vector data not the free > version > > of it and I have also not found any other freely available application to > > use vector data. > > If you did read the messages better, you would have seen that OsmAnd+ is > not > necessarily to be paid ;) > The pay version is really a "donation"; but you can get that same version > without paying. > > > Almost all the applications available in the android market are cheap but > > not all the users personally me would like to pay for using it because > its > > data is already being provided by osm free of cost. > > Then we think differently :) > I think that donations to free/opensource developers are a good way to > support > them (i.e. free software shouldn't necessarily be "free as in beer") > > David > > -- > . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino > : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ > `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal > `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:54:43 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > Yes i am also using this OSMand and almost all the applications mentioned > on the wiki page of osm for android. > Only osmand+ is having the facility to use vector data not the free version > of it and I have also not found any other freely available application to > use vector data. If you did read the messages better, you would have seen that OsmAnd+ is not necessarily to be paid ;) The pay version is really a "donation"; but you can get that same version without paying. > Almost all the applications available in the android market are cheap but > not all the users personally me would like to pay for using it because its > data is already being provided by osm free of cost. Then we think differently :) I think that donations to free/opensource developers are a good way to support them (i.e. free software shouldn't necessarily be "free as in beer") David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On 27 Nov 2011 16:34, "David Paleino" wrote: > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:54:14 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > > > Please let me know some good application to use vector data of osm on > > android phone becase tiles needs a lot of bandwidth to access the maps > > easily. > > > > I have tried many applications but not found any satisfactory applocation > > till now. > > > > All the applications availble are third party applications and ask to pay > > for them at some point. > > I use OsmAnd, and I'm very satisfied with it. > > It has vector rendering, it has POI-search, it can do offline routing, as well > as online (using CloudMade or YOURS). It can also be used for simple mapping > things (add POIs, save GPX track), but I haven't used them (I use OSMTracker > for mapping). > > Also, it seems to use the PBF format, and I currently have all Italy loaded on > my Samsung Galaxy Next. It also has voices available for quite some languages. > > If you look in the Android Market, you see "OsmAnd" and "OsmAnd+" -- the first > is free, but won't get updates, the second is quite cheap. Yes i am also using this OSMand and almost all the applications mentioned on the wiki page of osm for android. Only osmand+ is having the facility to use vector data not the free version of it and I have also not found any other freely available application to use vector data. Almost all the applications available in the android market are cheap but not all the users personally me would like to pay for using it because its data is already being provided by osm free of cost. Thanks for your suggestions. -- Parveen Arora >From my phone. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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(no need to CC me, thanks :)) On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:17:25 +0100, Yves wrote: > Actually it is worth to notice that Osmand is free and open-source. Yup, forgot that, it's important to me too :) > Osmand+ is the ' donation' version, and night ly build is also available for > free from google-code. And also from the F-Droid repository I linked to :) -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Am 27.11.2011 11:51, schrieb Parveen Arora: On 27 Nov 2011 14:04, "Matthias Meißer" mailto:dig...@arcor.de>> wrote: > > Hi Parveen, > > no there is no offical App as OSM is just a loose community, Is it really? I think there are number of developers so I wonder how it is a loose application. >there exist a lot of Apps there are some what related to OSM and open source or at least free to use: Most of applications use osm data for there own benefit. So Its a very good and needful idea to develop application for core osm as its official release because now days smart phones are becoming very comon and need of good maps and applications are increasing day by day. Yes, we would all like to see an easy to use out-of-the-box solution with all the features we like. But unfortunatly there aren't that much Devs that are familar with OSM data processing and the most of them are very busy with their own projects. Other users recommend NAVIT that has a improved map loader compared to the original source. bye Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Actually it is worth to notice that Osmand is free and open-source. Osmand+ is the ' donation' version, and night ly build is also available for free from google-code. Digging a little, you'll also find ski map and contour lines for Osmand :) Yves -- Envoyé de mon téléphone Android avec K-9 Mail. Excusez la brièveté. David Paleino a écrit : On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:54:14 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > Please let me know some good application to use vector data of osm on > android phone becase tiles needs a lot of bandwidth to access the maps > easily. > > I have tried many applications but not found any satisfactory applocation > till now. > > All the applications availble are third party applications and ask to pay > for them at some point. I use OsmAnd, and I'm very satisfied with it. It has vector rendering, it has POI-search, it can do offline routing, as well as online (using CloudMade or YOURS). It can also be used for simple mapping things (add POIs, save GPX track), but I haven't used them (I use OSMTracker for mapping). Also, it seems to use the PBF format, and I currently have all Italy loaded on my Samsung Galaxy Next. It also has voices available for quite some languages. If you look in the Android Market, you see "OsmAnd" and "OsmAnd+" -- the first is free, but won't get updates, the second is quite cheap (it's 3€ here, don't know what your currency is, and gets updates. But they are also on the F-Droid market. [0] Kindly, David P.S.: no, I'm not affiliated in any way with OsmAnd, I'm just a happy user :) [0]: http://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.osmand.plus -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 _ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:54:14 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > Please let me know some good application to use vector data of osm on > android phone becase tiles needs a lot of bandwidth to access the maps > easily. > > I have tried many applications but not found any satisfactory applocation > till now. > > All the applications availble are third party applications and ask to pay > for them at some point. I use OsmAnd, and I'm very satisfied with it. It has vector rendering, it has POI-search, it can do offline routing, as well as online (using CloudMade or YOURS). It can also be used for simple mapping things (add POIs, save GPX track), but I haven't used them (I use OSMTracker for mapping). Also, it seems to use the PBF format, and I currently have all Italy loaded on my Samsung Galaxy Next. It also has voices available for quite some languages. If you look in the Android Market, you see "OsmAnd" and "OsmAnd+" -- the first is free, but won't get updates, the second is quite cheap (it's 3€ here, don't know what your currency is, and gets updates. But they are also on the F-Droid market. [0] Kindly, David P.S.: no, I'm not affiliated in any way with OsmAnd, I'm just a happy user :) [0]: http://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.osmand.plus -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On 27 Nov 2011 16:21, "Parveen Arora" wrote: > I think there are number of developers so I wonder how it is a loose application. Sorry for typo in above line. s/application/community -- Parveen Arora >From my phone. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 16:21 +0530, Parveen Arora wrote: > > Hi Parveen, > > > > no there is no offical App as OSM is just a loose community, > Is it really? > I think there are number of developers so I wonder how it is a loose > application. loose community -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On 27 Nov 2011 14:04, "Matthias Meißer" wrote: > > Hi Parveen, > > no there is no offical App as OSM is just a loose community, Is it really? I think there are number of developers so I wonder how it is a loose application. >there exist a lot of Apps there are some what related to OSM and open source or at least free to use: Most of applications use osm data for there own benefit. So Its a very good and needful idea to develop application for core osm as its official release because now days smart phones are becoming very comon and need of good maps and applications are increasing day by day. So there must be smartphone based applications directly by OSM. -- Parveen Arora >From my phone. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Hi Parveen, no there is no offical App as OSM is just a loose community, there exist a lot of Apps there are somewhat related to OSM and open source or at least free to use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android bye Matthias (user:!i!) Am 27.11.2011 09:24, schrieb Parveen Arora: Hi all, Please let me know some good application to use vector data of osm on android phone becase tiles needs a lot of bandwidth to access the maps easily. I have tried many applications but not found any satisfactory applocation till now. All the applications availble are third party applications and ask to pay for them at some point. I want to know is there any official osm application for android or if there is any work going on it. -- Parveen Arora From my phone. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
