Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[J.D. Schmidt]

Iván Sánchez Ortega skrev:
> El Miércoles, 13 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió:
>> Guys I've been in contact with them throughout to help this happen, I
>> guess that wasn't clear. I had planned a blog post but have been on a
>> plane from when they posted up until now.
> 
> Steve,
> 
> You have to switch to faster airlines.
> 
> 
> ;-)
Warning : Tongue in cheek post in progress:

After the A380 has entered regular service with SQuidAir (Singapore 
Airlines) Steve has planned to relocate his permanent residence to one 
of the "flats" on first class aboard their A380's - The funds that 
CloudMade has gotten must not go to waste you know. The problem is that 
"Connexion By Boing" has shut down, so no internet connection anymore 
while airborne.

He is working on that though, using USB thumbdrives to store blogposts 
and other data to be dissiminated online - OUFDO AKA 
OpenUSBFlashdriveDropOff.org is coming online, as soon as he has gotten 
enough people interested in waiting at the airports served by Singapore 
Airlines. The link with OSM is appearent on the OUFDO signup page, since 
any "USBCouriers" must map the routes taken to and from the airports and 
upload the corresponding tracklogs to OSM. Amazing what a little 
ingeniuity and some seed funds from investors can lead to :P

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Patrick Weber]

I guess Cloudmade's VC funding doesnt quite stretch to buy Steve a 
Gulfstream G550. What a shame :-)


Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:

El Miércoles, 13 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió:
  

Guys I've been in contact with them throughout to help this happen, I
guess that wasn't clear. I had planned a blog post but have been on a
plane from when they posted up until now.



Steve,

You have to switch to faster airlines.


;-)

  



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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Iván Sánchez Ortega]

El Miércoles, 13 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió:
> Guys I've been in contact with them throughout to help this happen, I
> guess that wasn't clear. I had planned a blog post but have been on a
> plane from when they posted up until now.

Steve,

You have to switch to faster airlines.


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[SteveC]

Guys I've been in contact with them throughout to help this happen, I  
guess that wasn't clear. I had planned a blog post but have been on a  
plane from when they posted up until now.

On 13 Aug 2008, at 04:30, J.D. Schmidt wrote:

> Iván Sánchez Ortega skrev:
>> El Lunes, 11 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interest
>>> ingness
>>
>> A friend of mine (thanks, rinzewind!) points me to this entry in  
>> the flickr's
>> developers blog:
>>
>> http://blog.flickr.net/en/2008/08/12/around-the-world-and-back-again/
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>
> Good find ! Now someone just needs to get in touch with them, and
> suggest that they use OSM data for IoM and Cyprus among other places.
> And then get that pressrelease out about it, in cooperation with the
> Flickr dudes, to the "oldstyle" media. The more innovative ways OSM  
> data
> is used, and the more that is is publized and evangilized through both
> "oldstyle" and "newstyle" (read "Web based non-deadtree") media, the
> better.
>
> Just my 0.01 sqkm worth...
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[J.D. Schmidt]

Iván Sánchez Ortega skrev:
> El Lunes, 11 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió:
>> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interest
>> ingness
> 
> A friend of mine (thanks, rinzewind!) points me to this entry in the flickr's 
> developers blog:
> 
> http://blog.flickr.net/en/2008/08/12/around-the-world-and-back-again/
> 
> 
> Cheers,

Good find ! Now someone just needs to get in touch with them, and 
suggest that they use OSM data for IoM and Cyprus among other places. 
And then get that pressrelease out about it, in cooperation with the 
Flickr dudes, to the "oldstyle" media. The more innovative ways OSM data 
is used, and the more that is is publized and evangilized through both 
"oldstyle" and "newstyle" (read "Web based non-deadtree") media, the 
better.

Just my 0.01 sqkm worth...

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Iván Sánchez Ortega]

El Lunes, 11 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió:
> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interest
>ingness

A friend of mine (thanks, rinzewind!) points me to this entry in the flickr's 
developers blog:

http://blog.flickr.net/en/2008/08/12/around-the-world-and-back-again/


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[80n]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:55 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> >> From:
> >> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
> >> --
> >> A new version of this license is available. You should use it for new
> >> works, and you may want to relicense existing works under it. No works
> >> are
> >> automatically put under the new license, however.
> >> --
> >>
> >
>
> This is direct from the CC site, and implies that they do not believe that
> there is an automatic upgrade from 2.0 to 3.0
>

Well, they (Yahoo!) haven't automatically upgraded it.  They have taken our
CC-BY-SA 2.0 licensed work and manually republished it under a new, but
compatible license.  It is their copy that is licensed under 3.0, ours is
still 2.0.  The 2.0 license allows them to do this.

What nobody can do is wave a magic wand and say that all copies are now
CC-BY-SA 3.0.  That's what I believe CC mean by  saying that there is no
automatic upgrade.

Best switch this thread to legal-talk, if you want to discuss further.
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[simon]

>> From:
>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
>> --
>> A new version of this license is available. You should use it for new
>> works, and you may want to relicense existing works under it. No works
>> are
>> automatically put under the new license, however.
>> --
>>
>

This is direct from the CC site, and implies that they do not believe that
there is an automatic upgrade from 2.0 to 3.0

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[80n]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 5:53 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:39 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interestingness
> >
> > What is the appropriate flickr/yahoo support address to bug them to
> > add the OSM layer to other areas on the flickr map? The area I'm in
> > only has a very rough outline of the geography [1] and would benefit
> > from it.
> >
> > 1. http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=h&lat=64.136824&lon=-21.883564&zoom=14
> >
> >
>
> I would agree 100%, the board (and all of us) should write to thank then
> and suggest that they make OpenStreetMaps available to cover the rest of
> the world (data is cheep/filtering specific areas is expensive).
>
> On a small point, they quote CC-SA 3.0. Isn't our data CC-SA 2.0??
>

Yes, but CC-BY-SA 2.0 has a forwards compatibility clause which allows them
to re-distribute under a later license: "You may distribute, publicly
display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform a Derivative Work
only under the terms of this License, *a later version of this License* with
the same License Elements as this License, or a Creative Commons iCommons
license that contains the same License Elements as this License (e.g.
Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Japan)."


>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/License
>
> From:
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
> --
> A new version of this license is available. You should use it for new
> works, and you may want to relicense existing works under it. No works are
> automatically put under the new license, however.
> --
>

I suspect that this is currently just a small scale experiment.  The URL of
the tiles perhaps gives some clues:
http://farm2.hv-static.flickr.com/1010/temp/osm/14/13488/6207.png

Their main map tiles and imagery are all served from a dynamic source,
whereas the URL suggests a small static temporary directory.  They'd need to
put a bit more infrastructure in place before they could rollout the whole
planet.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[simon]

> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:39 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interestingness
>
> What is the appropriate flickr/yahoo support address to bug them to
> add the OSM layer to other areas on the flickr map? The area I'm in
> only has a very rough outline of the geography [1] and would benefit
> from it.
>
> 1. http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=h&lat=64.136824&lon=-21.883564&zoom=14
>
>

I would agree 100%, the board (and all of us) should write to thank then
and suggest that they make OpenStreetMaps available to cover the rest of
the world (data is cheep/filtering specific areas is expensive).

On a small point, they quote CC-SA 3.0. Isn't our data CC-SA 2.0??

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/License

From:
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Dair Grant]

Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:

> Seeing other websites use OSM's data or tiles is not noticeable any more.
> Steve, please drop that irritating inferiority complex. OSM is a great thing.
> Really.

I think that's pretty unfair - flickr isn't just "another website", it's an
incredibly popular one.

Having someone like that be willing (and able) to use OSM is a significant
thing IMO.


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Seeing other websites use OSM's data or tiles is not noticeable any more. 
Steve, please drop that irritating inferiority complex. OSM is a great thing. 
Really.
 
Regards,
Lucas
 



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http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interestingness

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Gwenn]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 09:50:41AM +0100, Oliver Lewis wrote:
> When I navigate to this link, I don't see any attribution.  This
> could be a browser issue, so I'm just curious what the rest of you
> are getting.

In the bottom left corner i see "Map data CCBYSA 2008
OpenStreetMap.org contributors" with links to CC and OSM.

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[Shaun McDonald]

Hi,

I see the attribution in the very bottom left hand corner in both 
Firefox on Ubuntu and Safari on Mac OS X.

Shaun

Oliver Lewis wrote:
> When I navigate to this link, I don't see any attribution.  This could 
> be a browser issue, so I'm just curious what the rest of you are getting.
>  
> Oliver
>
>
>  
> On 8/11/08, *SteveC* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interestingness
> 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Oliver Lewis]

When I navigate to this link, I don't see any attribution.  This could be a
browser issue, so I'm just curious what the rest of you are getting.

Oliver



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> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interestingness
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:39 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interestingness

What is the appropriate flickr/yahoo support address to bug them to
add the OSM layer to other areas on the flickr map? The area I'm in
only has a very rough outline of the geography [1] and would benefit
from it.

1. http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=h&lat=64.136824&lon=-21.883564&zoom=14

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Jochen Topf]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 07:23:41AM +0200, Jannis Achstetter wrote:
> One thing I just noticed:
> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=49.9993&fLon=9.0702&zl=1&order_by=interestingness
> Since when is my street (Anne-Frank-Straße) correct in Navteq (and  
> partly in Teleatlas)? (compare:  
> http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemap&mt1=mapnik&lon=9.0705496&lat=49.999133&z=17)
>
> And: since when does Navteq have our McDonalds? (and why does it look  
> exactly the same as in OSM?):
> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=49.9939&fLon=9.0707&zl=1&order_by=interestingness
> (compare:  
> http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemap&mt1=mapnik&lon=9.0715581&lat=49.9946776&z=17)

Whats your point? I see some streets in a TeleAtlas/NavTeq/OSM maps that
overlap at some points and don't at some others. And why does the
McDonalds things look the same? Maybe because we are living in the same
reality and have surveyed the same place? From the maps you have shown
I certainly can't see any evidence or even a hint that data has been copied
there.

> By the way: How can WE as a project find out when someone uses our data  
> and publishes them without contribution? I mean in commercial maps you  
> have these little known mistakes but we try to avoid them so we can't  
> just say: "You have this mistake in your map so you copied from us".

If it is large scale copying, somebody will notice sooner or later. If
it is only something here or there it doesn't matter anyway.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Jochen Topf]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 07:35:46AM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> El Martes, 12 de Agosto de 2008, Jannis Achstetter escribió:
> > By the way: How can WE as a project find out when someone uses our data
> > and publishes them without contribution? I mean in commercial maps you
> > have these little known mistakes but we try to avoid them so we can't
> > just say: "You have this mistake in your map so you copied from us".
> 
> Well, I think we'll have to fight fire with fire in this case. In fact, I 
> discovered the same error in both the cadastrial (read: goverment) 
> cartography, and TeleAtlas'. I'll have to pay a visit to the cadastre office 
> in early september, and see how they enforce the copyrights.

Hm. Maybe that is because TeleAtlas buys maps from government as basis
for their work? They have been known to do that...

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

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El Martes, 12 de Agosto de 2008, Jannis Achstetter escribió:
> By the way: How can WE as a project find out when someone uses our data
> and publishes them without contribution? I mean in commercial maps you
> have these little known mistakes but we try to avoid them so we can't
> just say: "You have this mistake in your map so you copied from us".

Well, I think we'll have to fight fire with fire in this case. In fact, I 
discovered the same error in both the cadastrial (read: goverment) 
cartography, and TeleAtlas'. I'll have to pay a visit to the cadastre office 
in early september, and see how they enforce the copyrights.

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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Jannis Achstetter]

SteveC schrieb:

http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interestingness


Yap, I really do like this ;)

One thing I just noticed:
http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=49.9993&fLon=9.0702&zl=1&order_by=interestingness
Since when is my street (Anne-Frank-Straße) correct in Navteq (and 
partly in Teleatlas)? (compare: 
http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemap&mt1=mapnik&lon=9.0705496&lat=49.999133&z=17)


And: since when does Navteq have our McDonalds? (and why does it look 
exactly the same as in OSM?):

http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=49.9939&fLon=9.0707&zl=1&order_by=interestingness
(compare: 
http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemap&mt1=mapnik&lon=9.0715581&lat=49.9946776&z=17)


Either Navteq re-surveyed my town or they just copied. (Well, I 
didn't say anything)


By the way: How can WE as a project find out when someone uses our data 
and publishes them without contribution? I mean in commercial maps you 
have these little known mistakes but we try to avoid them so we can't 
just say: "You have this mistake in your map so you copied from us".



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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[J.D. Schmidt]

D Tucny skrev:
> 2008/8/12 Tim Waters (chippy) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> Very cool! Been panning around, is it just Beijing? No Isle of Man? ;)
>>
> 
> Looks like it's just Beijing... I'd guess due to the lack of Yahoo map
> coverage and the current large interest in Beijing... for some reason ;)
> 
> d
> 

Someone from the OSMF presscontact division ( Hi SteveC :P) should 
really make a pressrelease about the symbiotic relationship between 
Yahoo and OSM coming full circle - OSM was allowed to use the sat 
imagery Yahoo maps displayed, and now Yahoo benefits from being able to 
display OSM maps on their Flickr photosite worldmap.
This time, don't /. it, but send the pressrelease to CNN and similar 
"Old Media" companies. Remember to tell in the pressrelease, that 
Beijing isn't the only area where OSM has more and better data, than 
commercial geoproviders... Cyprus, IoM etc are good examples to mention.

If others can capitalize on the Olympic Games mediainterest, why 
shouldn't we also ?


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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[D Tucny]

2008/8/12 Tim Waters (chippy) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Very cool! Been panning around, is it just Beijing? No Isle of Man? ;)
>

Looks like it's just Beijing... I'd guess due to the lack of Yahoo map
coverage and the current large interest in Beijing... for some reason ;)

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Very cool! Been panning around, is it just Beijing? No Isle of Man? ;)

On 8/11/08, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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