Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
Hi all I'm still a relative newcomer to OSM (and am still in wonder at the complexity and enormity of the task!) and have found this discussion quite interesting. I only use Potlatch as I was advised it was simple, and for beginners, and it loaded by default in the edit screen. I use an Oregon300 GPS. I started only using the tag source=survey until Potltach added the GPS tag. I thought that the Wiki had simply not been updated but that some official (so to speak) decision had been made to encourage the use of the tag source=GPS. I then went back to my traces and changed the source to GPS to keep up with the default application. From what I've read I now will go back to source=survey and add the tag survey=gps. I will consider further the advantages of further definition to GPS type (I think that could well end up in a Commodore/Falcon and Landcruiser/Patrol debate). I do want to say though that I do appreciate the attention you guys give to such matters. When I am confident enough to comment beyond a newbie I hope to add constuctively to some of the serious stuff. Dan From: Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, 24 September, 2009 2:07:49 PM Subject: Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag If source=GPS (or source=gps) is unallowable, then why is it a preset in Potlatch? No idea, whoever wrote the presets for potlatch probably thinks it's a good idea but did not read the wiki. I'd prefer to stick to the guidelines, rather than making up tags - as long as I know what the guidelines actually are! Then RTFW, it's on the map features page and source=survey is a core recommended feature set and corresponding tag and states: source | survey | gpx track or other physical survey If you feel that it needs to be amplified that the survey is from gps then add survey=gps or note=survey by gps, this is the intent of the add your own tags. But most would understand that it's from a gps survey rather than using theodolite/compass and chain/etc -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au __ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] The source tag [Was] More on the survey tag
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:35:56 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/24 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: so who's aerial_photography is it? Those may need an attributation=* tag, should be easy enough to work out where they came from. A quick look shows http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/MatthewC tagged ways that way, I'm guessing yahoo sat imagery + he surveyed for the names. Exactly the point. These should then be source=Yahoo and source:name=survey if that's where they came from. Then if there is any issue with copyright the source can be readily identified. Also the DB has south eastern asia + New Zealand + pacific islands, not just Australia and it's external territories. Understood, I was only looking at the ones in Australia. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
2009/9/24 Dan O#39;Hara detect...@yahoo.com.au: GPS. I started only using the tag source=survey until Potltach added the GPS tag. I thought that the Wiki had simply not been updated but that some I've mailed the main talk list over this, no doubt it'll end up in a pointless debate, either the wiki will be updated to reflect this or more likely potlatch devs will be prompted to do the right thing. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
I'm still a relative newcomer to OSM (and am still in wonder at the complexity and enormity of the task!) and have found this discussion quite interesting. I only use Potlatch as I was advised it was simple, and for beginners, and it loaded by default in the edit screen. I use an Oregon300 GPS. I started only using the tag source=survey until Potltach added the GPS tag. I thought that the Wiki had simply not been updated but that some official (so to speak) decision had been made to encourage the use of the tag source=GPS. I then went back to my traces and changed the source to GPS to keep up with the default application. Potlatch is good for simple edits, josm is much better in the long run. Have a look at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_editors as you can see there a few to chose from. From what I've read I now will go back to source=survey and add the tag survey=gps. I will consider further the advantages of further definition to GPS type (I think that could well end up in a Commodore/Falcon and Landcruiser/Patrol debate). Good idea of John's wasn't it. Yes gps type could easily end up like that and I don't see any great advantage, unless you have dgps or the like. Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
2009/9/24 Dan O#39;Hara detect...@yahoo.com.au: From what I've read I now will go back to source=survey and add the tag survey=gps. I will consider further the advantages of further definition to GPS type (I think that could well end up in a Commodore/Falcon and Landcruiser/Patrol debate). Not really, cars have had over 120 years to get to this point in time, electronics is much less mature and there is significant differences between the GPS chipset in iPhones which does poorly compared to some other phones, then you have various dedicated GPS devices some of which would be more accurate than others, and you have current technology verses older technology all of which can decrease acuracy compared to other devices. I've played with 3 different phones with GPS some were better than others, and if they had 3G coverage/capability they were more accurate again. I've also played with a couple of GPS loggers, one of which is more accurate than the phones, the other is much worst. Then you get into DGPS like Ross suggested, you also have devices that can mostly lock onto the secondary GPS frequency which gives the device more certainty by being able to work out the atmospheric conditions better. You also have the farming GPS stuff which is good down to the 4cm or sub-cm accuracy levels. It's all about how much money you have to burn but there is significant differences between technologies for various reasons. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: You're blowing smoke, it's obvious source=gps is the same thing as source=survey, however source=survey is a core set of features and already in wide spread and common usage. If you think in the Venn diagram source=survey is a big box source=gps is a subset of that box and then some other subsets of gps would be needed just for fun I've printed out a walking-papers page and am going to see if it is any use for tagging shops in a suburban strip shopping strip and then how will I define the survey= ?? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
2009/9/24 Liz ed...@billiau.net: If you think in the Venn diagram source=survey is a big box source=gps is a subset of that box and then some other subsets of gps would be needed GPS on it's own isn't more meaningful either, not without knowing the hardware used, since most surveys will be using consumer grade GPS anyway. and then how will I define the survey= source=survey survey=observation ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] http://maposmatic.org/
http://maposmatic.org/ John ! I want! It says it needs translation from French and some organisation of admin boundaries... OK Please John, how can we have this for Australia? How can we help make this happen for us? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] TidyMyStreet
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: Another thing I'd like to do is to generate a street map (with a grid reference of all the roads) of a council boundary, there's a few utilities that can do that already, but they're not terribly well supported / user friendly just yet, but in time they will be better :D -- see maposmatic.org (just being repetitive) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
On 24/09/2009, at 2:07 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: I'd prefer to stick to the guidelines, rather than making up tags - as long as I know what the guidelines actually are! Then RTFW There's no need to be rude. The obvious place to look at the wiki is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source - however on this page even source=survey is missing. Yes, is it on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features but it's not exactly the most obvious place to look. Anyway, I originally made the post because someone had made the change from gps to source at around the time that we were discussing which tag to use on this list. I wasn't expecting the talk to degenerate. As long as a consensus is reached I am happy to go with it. Mark P. --- They offered to transport me back to any point in history that I would care to go, and so I had them send me back to last Thursday night, so I could pay my phone bill on time. (Weird Al Yankovic, Everything You Know Is Wrong) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] What's the best way to edit on holidays?
In the past when I have gone on holidays, I have uploaded the GPS tracks at the end, then (usually over a couple of weeks) added the roads via Potlatch using audio annotations made during the trip. I have been thinking about whether there is a better way. I might be going to Flinders Island later this year (currently no roads on the map), and will definitely be going to South America and Antarctica next year (I should be able to complete the Antarctica highway system on the trip :-P ). Here's what I have been thinking: 1. Before the trip, download the data in JOSM and save it. 2. During the trip, make changes / additions as I go. 3. On my return, upload the changes (as I generally don't have internet access on the trip). There is one major snag that I can see - prior to uploading I will need to download any changes made since I initially downloaded the data. (For the overseas trip this would be several weeks worth of changes, although I'm sure not much would change on the Antarctic peninsula!) What happens to ways that someone else has changed? I assume that the way on the server would have priority, but how does that affect junctions added to the way when I've added a new way? Will I need to re-do these junctions before uploading. Hopefully someone else on the list will have already dealt with this problem. Mark P. --- They offered to transport me back to any point in history that I would care to go, and so I had them send me back to last Thursday night, so I could pay my phone bill on time. (Weird Al Yankovic, Everything You Know Is Wrong) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Great Western Highway relation question
I recently added a relation for the Great Western Highway (Bathurst to Lapstone), and extended the existing NR32 relation to Lapstone (stopping where NR32/Great Western Highway becomes M4/Western Motorway). The Great Western Highway does continue further, although there is a break between the end at the Motorway and the bottom of Mitchell's Pass. I was wondering whether the Great Western Highway relation should continue from Mitchell's pass to Sydney, or whether it should be a separate relation? My thought is that it should be a separate relation (or just left as it is), as there is no way to drive between the two ends of the break at Lapstone. Anyone have any thoughts on this? The relations are: NR32: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/207581 Great Western Highway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/254498 Mark P. --- They offered to transport me back to any point in history that I would care to go, and so I had them send me back to last Thursday night, so I could pay my phone bill on time. (Weird Al Yankovic, Everything You Know Is Wrong) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
2009/9/24 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au: on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features but it's not exactly the most obvious place to look. That should be the first place to look, not the last. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What's the best way to edit on holidays?
2009/9/24 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au: There is one major snag that I can see - prior to uploading I will need to download any changes made since I initially downloaded the data. (For the overseas trip this would be several weeks worth of changes, although I'm sure not much would change on the Antarctic peninsula!) What happens to ways that someone else has changed? I assume that the way on the server would have priority, but how does that affect junctions added to the way when I've added a new way? Will I need to re-do these junctions before uploading. Hopefully someone else on the list will have already dealt with this problem. JOSM has conflict resolution, but it's really poor and I usually ditch changes and start over 7 or 8 times out of 10. There is also a limit on the age OSM will accept changes. You might be best using 2 layers, 1 layer for the downloaded data, the 2nd layer for your changes, that way everything you do will be new, the only thing then would be to download a fresh downloaded layer when you get back to make sure you aren't duplicating. In any case I wish you the best of luck it's not something I'd want to try :) Maybe you could try the main talk list, maybe they can suggest things people have done in africa with limited/no net connectivity. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Great Western Highway relation question
2009/9/24 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au: I recently added a relation for the Great Western Highway (Bathurst to Lapstone), and extended the existing NR32 relation to Lapstone (stopping where NR32/Great Western Highway becomes M4/Western Motorway). The Great Western Highway does continue further, although there is a break between the end at the Motorway and the bottom of Mitchell's Pass. I was wondering whether the Great Western Highway relation should continue from Mitchell's pass to Sydney, or whether it should be a separate relation? My thought is that it should be a separate relation (or just left as it is), as there is no way to drive between the two ends of the break at Lapstone. Anyone have any thoughts on this? NR's are usually end to end they don't usually have gaps, although they can share sections of ways with other routes. I've been on that road but it's been a while and I can't remember it :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:11:30 +1000 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: On 24/09/2009, at 2:07 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: I'd prefer to stick to the guidelines, rather than making up tags - as long as I know what the guidelines actually are! Then RTFW There's no need to be rude. Read the full wiki. The obvious place to look at the wiki is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source - however on this page even source=survey is missing. Yes, is it on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features but it's not exactly the most obvious place to look. The Map_Features is the first place you should be looking not the last. All other pages are just additional to that. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] source=lansat
I noticed in tagwatch that there are some source tags that have values lansat. Is this an incorrect entry for landsat? It seems to be about 3 or 4 users that have entered these. Google references the nasa landsat page or a definition of a type of berry. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] source=lansat
2009/9/24 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: I noticed in tagwatch that there are some source tags that have values lansat. Is this an incorrect entry for landsat? I'm guessing so, and it's easy with JOSM at least to replicate these errors with it's auto complete based on what tags are already loaded. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] source=lansat
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:25:52 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/24 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: I noticed in tagwatch that there are some source tags that have values lansat. Is this an incorrect entry for landsat? I'm guessing so, and it's easy with JOSM at least to replicate these errors with it's auto complete based on what tags are already loaded. My thoughts exactly so I'll fix it shortly. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Great Western Highway relation question
I recently added a relation for the Great Western Highway (Bathurst to Lapstone), and extended the existing NR32 relation to Lapstone (stopping where NR32/Great Western Highway becomes M4/Western Motorway). The Great Western Highway does continue further, although there is a break between the end at the Motorway and the bottom of Mitchell's Pass. I was wondering whether the Great Western Highway relation should continue from Mitchell's pass to Sydney, or whether it should be a separate relation? My thought is that it should be a separate relation (or just left as it is), as there is no way to drive between the two ends of the break at Lapstone. Anyone have any thoughts on this? The relations are: NR32: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/207581 Great Western Highway: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/254498 Mark P. --- They offered to transport me back to any point in history that I would care to go, and so I had them send me back to last Thursday night, so I could pay my phone bill on time. (Weird Al Yankovic, Everything You Know Is Wrong) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://maposmatic.org/
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/24 Liz ed...@billiau.net: http://maposmatic.org/ John ! I want! It says it needs translation from French and some organisation of admin boundaries... OK Please John, how can we have this for Australia? How can we help make this happen for us? The short answer no idea... The longer answer is no idea :) They didn't seem to have a link to download it and even if they did I only know a limited number of computer languages, I don't know perl or ruby or python which are common languages for stuff done for OSM It's Python using Django and PostGIS (a PostgreSQL addon). http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/maposmatic/ocitysmap.git/tree/ http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/maposmatic.git/tree/ as linked off http://maposmatic.org/about/ James Andrewartha ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: The obvious place to look at the wiki is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source - however on this page even source=survey is missing. I'm with Mark - this should be cleaned up, preferably by someone who has a clearer understanding of the consensus than I. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What's the best way to edit on holidays?
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Mark Pulley wrote: (I should be able to complete the Antarctica highway system on the trip :-P ) Now to be able to say that I have completed the entire highway for a continent singlehanded surely is better than North Star for completing a town http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Awards ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: ideas for subsets gps_chip=antaris/sirfstar3/mediatek/trimble/ gps_model= hdop= pdop= (precision would be some rough figure for the track, i wouldn't want to see them on each single node) May I suggest adding source:*=* to the front of these (and other) keys to make it absolutely clear they refer to the source and not to the tagged element? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: ideas for subsets gps_chip=antaris/sirfstar3/mediatek/trimble/ gps_model= hdop= pdop= (precision would be some rough figure for the track, i wouldn't want to see them on each single node) May I suggest adding source:*=* to the front of these (and other) keys to make it absolutely clear they refer to the source and not to the tagged element? Roy i'm not really suggesting tag forms but a logical set of the tags so if we made up a wiki page on how to be obsessional with tagging the source of data we would need to set the tags out in a reasonable way as you noted -- BOFH excuse #404: Sysadmin accidentally destroyed pager with a large hammer. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bugs - TidyMyStreet
Awesome, bugs.bigtincan.com (TidyMyStreet) is working again, thanks :). I'll continue popping up council errors, most notably street sign problems there. So far the reception by the two councils I've rung up to submit the problems with the street signs has been very well received. Thanks again for both doing TidyMyStreet and fixing the errors :). On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:05 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/24 Lindley Bowers lindleybow...@gmail.com: I've just been submitting streetname sign errors to bugs.bigtincan.com. This seems like an excellent idea to introduce OSM to councils and help street signs to be more accurate. However now all the errors I've submitted have disappeared just as I was about to ring up the next local council to introduce them to the site? Also I can't seem to add any more errors? What is happening? The text from users wasn't properly handled when sent to the browser so it was causing a javascript error to occur, I've fixed it so the locations should show again now. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: just for fun I've printed out a walking-papers page and am going to see if it is any use for tagging shops in a suburban strip shopping strip and then how will I define the survey= source=survey survey=observation I don't think survey=observation means anything. source=survey always implies survey=observation - that is, if you visit someplace and don't make any *observations*, you aren't doing mapping. The source of an element, I think, comes from two places: source of lat/long (e.g. the location of the road) - how about source:location=* - and source of tag values (e.g. the name of the road) - already defined as source:key=*. It may be useful to tag these separately. For the walking-papers example, for each new shop node where shop=* and name=* is entered, presumably you would have source:location=walking-papers; source:name=survey; source:shop=survey. This implies that you used the walking-papers only to decide where to locate the new shop nodes. If you used a GPS and added a waymark on the ground, or used photo- or audio-mapping synchronised to a gpx track, you would instead use source:location=survey; survey=gps, etc. If you named the shop from memory, rather than on-the-ground survey, you'd use source:name=knowledge. If you added a shop node *in a particular location* from memory (e.g. you remember it's on this particular corner), you'd use source:location=knowledge. Another example: If going out with a GPS and filling in noname roads, where the locations are already traced from, say yahoo, I think you would only need to add source:name=survey. In this instance I don't think your GPS has anything to do with adding name=* to pre-mapped noname roads. And so on and so forth. That was a bit long winded. In short, to be thorough, use source:location=* and source:key=*. As long as location is never used as a key name (I can't see why it would be), it'll work :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] comments on being argumentative
there have been a few comments made on John Smith being persistent in argument. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/8032 Comment: should have fixed the date of birth ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Roy i'm not really suggesting tag forms but a logical set of the tags so if we made up a wiki page on how to be obsessional with tagging the source of data we would need to set the tags out in a reasonable way as you noted Liz, I know - I wasn't trying to be critical, just adding my thoughts :) we might make up a wiki page on the variations of survey, deliberately never put it to vote, because that is a useless process and then we could say that survey with no further definition *is* gps and keep pointing people in that direction -- BOFH excuse #353: Second-system effect. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: just for fun I've printed out a walking-papers page and am going to see if it is any use for tagging shops in a suburban strip shopping strip and then how will I define the survey= source=survey survey=observation I don't think survey=observation means anything. source=survey always implies survey=observation - that is, if you visit someplace and don't make any *observations*, you aren't doing mapping. The source of an element, I think, comes from two places: source of lat/long (e.g. the location of the road) - how about source:location=* - and source of tag values (e.g. the name of the road) - already defined as source:key=*. It may be useful to tag these separately. For the walking-papers example, for each new shop node where shop=* and name=* is entered, presumably you would have source:location=walking-papers; source:name=survey; source:shop=survey. This implies that you used the walking-papers only to decide where to locate the new shop nodes. If you used a GPS and added a waymark on the ground, or used photo- or audio-mapping synchronised to a gpx track, you would instead use source:location=survey; survey=gps, etc. If you named the shop from memory, rather than on-the-ground survey, you'd use source:name=knowledge. If you added a shop node *in a particular location* from memory (e.g. you remember it's on this particular corner), you'd use source:location=knowledge. Another example: If going out with a GPS and filling in noname roads, where the locations are already traced from, say yahoo, I think you would only need to add source:name=survey. In this instance I don't think your GPS has anything to do with adding name=* to pre-mapped noname roads. And so on and so forth. That was a bit long winded. In short, to be thorough, use source:location=* and source:key=*. As long as location is never used as a key name (I can't see why it would be), it'll work :) Sorry for additional email - Alternatively, use source=* ONLY with regards to lat/long, and source:key=*. Unfortunately, in that case some would probably persist with source=survey when adding name=* to noname roads... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://maposmatic.org/
2009/9/25 James Andrewartha tr...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au: It's Python using Django and PostGIS (a PostgreSQL addon). http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/maposmatic/ocitysmap.git/tree/ http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/maposmatic.git/tree/ as linked off http://maposmatic.org/about/ PostGIS is just some libs and tables in Postgres which I'm running for the tile server anyway. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] comments on being argumentative
2009/9/25 Liz ed...@billiau.net: there have been a few comments made on John Smith being persistent in argument. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/8032 Comment: should have fixed the date of birth You mean I beat out Roy for the prize, I feel so honoured! ;) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
Something else worth noting, as I've been doing postcode boundaries I've noticed some people have wiped some of the ABS tags so they could do their roads or what not. I've added them back in as it's only fair to attribute the ABS for their data but has anyone else noticed this at all, or even removed the tags, accidental or otherwise? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
