Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data in JOSM

[Nev Wedding]

I have been using the LPI NSW Administrative Boundaries NPWS Reserve to enter 
the boundaries of each section of the Goobang National Park as I was recently 
there and recorded a few gps tracks as well.
It seems to me that I am probably wasting my efforts just following around the 
rest of the boundary and marking it out with mouse-clicks and the bottom 
section of the park, which I am still to do, is a big effort.
Is someone likely to import the database data for each park on which the layer 
is based…or should I continue with the mouse.
Once the boundary is done I will leave others to add other data from the other 
layers from LPI who are more familiar with the area.
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I have made a diary entry about using the LPI Base Map to add road names 
in Sydney using JOSM .. applies elsewhere too.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Warin61/diary/37528

The base map is also usefull for National Park boundaries ... some of 
these are rather 'confused'. It does not help for park to park boundaries.


On 13/12/2015 10:56 PM, Leon Kernan wrote:
Another fun one, they clearly took the imagery around Bathurst on the 
weekend of the Bathurst 1000


On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Leon Kernan > wrote:


Was just having a look at this imagery in around the Sydney CBD in
Potlatch 2.
It's such an improvement over Bing, no more towers obscuring all
the roads!

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andrew Harvey
mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 9 December 2015 at 02:22, Simon Poole mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote:
> May I suggest adding similar entries to
> https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index so that iD
and other
> editors can make the imagery available too?

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Another fun one, they clearly took the imagery around Bathurst on the
weekend of the Bathurst 1000

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Leon Kernan  wrote:

> Was just having a look at this imagery in around the Sydney CBD in
> Potlatch 2.
> It's such an improvement over Bing, no more towers obscuring all the roads!
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>> On 9 December 2015 at 02:22, Simon Poole  wrote:
>> > May I suggest adding similar entries to
>> > https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index so that iD and other
>> > editors can make the imagery available too?
>>
>> Done https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index/pull/118
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Was just having a look at this imagery in around the Sydney CBD in Potlatch
2.
It's such an improvement over Bing, no more towers obscuring all the roads!

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> On 9 December 2015 at 02:22, Simon Poole  wrote:
> > May I suggest adding similar entries to
> > https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index so that iD and other
> > editors can make the imagery available too?
>
> Done https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index/pull/118
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>Something is wrong with my mailing program... :-[
>I have just checked on the talk_au archive on the web ...
>I am missing a few messages .. one of which makes Andrews' position 
>clear. Apologises to those concerned!

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On Thursday, 10 December 2015, 11:24, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 On 7/12/2015 2:45 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> This conversation is quite scattered now but,
>

Snip
>
>
>
> I want to make sure that we have solid legal foundations for this, and 
> would like to run it by the legal-talk list first for advice.
>

What is your position?

You are uncertain of the legal use of the data, yet
you are using it (recent edits by you have LPI as the source)
and
you are encouraging its use by promoting it into the default imagery of 
OSM.





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On 10 December 2015 at 11:23, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I want to make sure that we have solid legal foundations for this, and
>> would like to run it by the legal-talk list first for advice.
>>
>
> What is your position?
>
> You are uncertain of the legal use of the data, yet
> you are using it (recent edits by you have LPI as the source)
> and
> you are encouraging its use by promoting it into the default imagery of OSM.

The concerns I had were in my view resolved once LPI issued another
statement which in my view resolved the uncertainty.

I agree though that I should have followed through with asking
legal-talk. I shall do so now.

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[Warin]

On 7/12/2015 2:45 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:

This conversation is quite scattered now but,



Something is wrong with my mailing program... :-[
I have just checked on the talk_au archive on the web ...
I am missing a few messages .. one of which makes Andrews' position 
clear. Apologises to those concerned!


The position is .. it is OK to use.

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[Warin]

On 7/12/2015 2:45 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:

This conversation is quite scattered now but,



Snip




I want to make sure that we have solid legal foundations for this, and 
would like to run it by the legal-talk list first for advice.




What is your position?

You are uncertain of the legal use of the data, yet
you are using it (recent edits by you have LPI as the source)
and
you are encouraging its use by promoting it into the default imagery of 
OSM.






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I've received a response from LPI, which is at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Government_Data.

Based on it I believe this is sufficient for people to include data
and derived data from LPI's CC BY 3.0 AU web services within
OpenStreetMap. Such inclusion of data doesn't affect the ability of
OSM to publish OSM under the ODbL so long as the attribution remains
as per the letter.

Since the response I got is slightly less ambiguous I've replaced the
attribution section at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data
with the response I got.

On 7 December 2015 at 14:45, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
> This conversation is quite scattered now but,
>
> I've followed up with contact given in your letter (Diana Stewart) with my
> concerns and questions. Specifically I've asked:
>
>> 1. what does the statement "Where specific licence terms (such as Creative
>> Commons) are applied to datasets, those licence terms shall prevail over any
>> inconsistent provisions in this statement." mean? Because we need these
>> additional permissions from LPI beyond the scope of the CC license to be
>> legally binding so that we may use LPI data within OpenStreetMap. We need
>> this additional permissions from LPI to prevail over the problematic clauses
>> within the CC license.
>>
>> 2. "To ensure consumers are informed of the currency and accuracy of data,
>> LPI asks that the date of extraction be marked in red." This requirement is
>> difficult to implement for us due to the way we would like to use LPI data,
>> furthermore if implemented it would be misleading. If the OpenStreetMap
>> community were to include LPI data or derived data within OpenStreetMap then
>> this would be an  ongoing adhoc inclusion of pieces of LPI data. As such,
>> any single statement intending to indicated data currency wouldn't be
>> accurate.
>>
>> 3. Could you please clarify that "on the 'Contributors' page of
>> OpenStreetMap" refers to
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia and not
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>
>
> I've asked this in the context of my pretext:
>
>> I am of the understanding that as it currently stands the Creative Commons
>> Attribution 3.0 Australia license
>> (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/legalcode) isn't compatible
>> with the terms we (OpenStreetMap) need for inclusion of such data or derived
>> data in OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> For example the above CC license in clauses 4A(b),4A(e),4B(a) certain
>> notices must be kept intact when we create new works derived from your CC
>> licensed LPI data. However, OpenStreetMap has decided that this level of
>> downstream attribution is too onerous (so for example if OpenStreetMap
>> included some data from LPI and a 3rd party web site includes an
>> OpenStreetMap map, that website shouldn't need to attribute LPI, rather they
>> would only attribute OpenStreetMap and in tern OpenStreetMap would attribute
>> LPI).
>>
>> Because of this, OpenStreetMap require specific explicit permission from
>> the copyright owner that such method of attribution is acceptable since it
>> is unclear if this is acceptable under the plan CC BY 3.0 AU license.
>>
>> Furthermore clause 4B(c) requires identification of changes made to the
>> original work. This isn't practical for OpenStreetMap so we require that
>> copyright holders grant us that we may simply state something such as "in
>> part derived from...".
>
>
> I want to make sure that we have solid legal foundations for this, and would
> like to run it by the legal-talk list first for advice.

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On 9 December 2015 at 02:22, Simon Poole  wrote:
> May I suggest adding similar entries to
> https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index so that iD and other
> editors can make the imagery available too?

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> Using the tile service is preferred since it will create less load on
> their servers and is faster to access since the tiles are already
> cached and we are just retrieving them as opposed to asking for
> arbitrary boundary requests. Why do you suggest WMS in this case?
I' guessing that due to Google eating my emails as spam you didn't see my 
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On 9 December 2015 at 02:22, Simon Poole  wrote:
> May I suggest adding similar entries to
> https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index so that iD and other
> editors can make the imagery available too?

Yes, I'll do that today.

On 6 December 2015 at 11:49, Andrew Davidson  wrote:
> It's easier to go with the WMS versions by choosing add WMS and pointing at:
>
> http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/services/public/NSW_Imagery/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities&service=WMS
>
> for the aerial imagery.
>
> http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities&service=WMS
>
> For the base map
>
> http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/services/public/NSW_Administrative_Boundaries/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities&service=WMS

Using the tile service is preferred since it will create less load on
their servers and is faster to access since the tiles are already
cached and we are just retrieving them as opposed to asking for
arbitrary boundary requests. Why do you suggest WMS in this case?

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May I suggest adding similar entries to
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index so that iD and other
editors can make the imagery available too?

Thanks

Simon

Am 08.12.2015 um 07:54 schrieb Andrew Harvey:
> I've put together a JOSM Imagery Sources document at
> https://gist.github.com/andrewharvey/84959a3025d32ef6237c and added
> this to the list for JOSM at
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Australia.
>
> Next job is to translate this into JSON for
> https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index.
>
> On 6 December 2015 at 11:32,   wrote:
>> Wow, this is like an early xmas present :-D
>> - I'm super-happy to get access to missing street names around Sydney
>> for OSM.
>>
>>> QUESTION
>>> How do I get this imagery into JOSM?! They have one access in javaGIS ... A 
>>> simple explanation ?
>> In JOSM, go to: Edit --> Preferences, WMS TMS tab, in the bottom right
>> click on "+ TMS" icon.
>> URL:
>> http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
>> maximum zoom: 19
>> The generated TMS URL should look like:
>> tms[19]:http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
>> Layer name: NSW LPI
>>
>> Then you're done :-)
>>
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I've put together a JOSM Imagery Sources document at
https://gist.github.com/andrewharvey/84959a3025d32ef6237c and added
this to the list for JOSM at
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Australia.

Next job is to translate this into JSON for
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index.

On 6 December 2015 at 11:32,   wrote:
> Wow, this is like an early xmas present :-D
> - I'm super-happy to get access to missing street names around Sydney
> for OSM.
>
>>QUESTION
>>How do I get this imagery into JOSM?! They have one access in javaGIS ... A 
>>simple explanation ?
>
> In JOSM, go to: Edit --> Preferences, WMS TMS tab, in the bottom right
> click on "+ TMS" icon.
> URL:
> http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
> maximum zoom: 19
> The generated TMS URL should look like:
> tms[19]:http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
> Layer name: NSW LPI
>
> Then you're done :-)
>
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[Warin]

On 8/12/2015 3:14 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:


On 8 December 2015 at 04:54, Paul Norman > wrote:


When we're talking about source tags, we should use whatever is
useful for mappers. In theory source date tags can be useful, but
in practice I've not seen them worth the bother.


Agreed. As a mapper something easy to type is ideal such as 
lpi_imagery, lpi_basemap, but I'm not overly fussed. I don't know how 
much I would use the Base map though since I generally favor on the 
ground verification. the Imagery will be very useful for more accurate 
tracing.



I have been surprised at how accurate the base map is in its location.  
The imagery would be usefull for building locations etc.


The base map has things like post offices, libraries, medical, RFS, 
parks, mountain tops, saddles, creeks, stations (homesteads, ranches) 
with their names. And  property address numbers for adding the address 
information.


On the ground sourcing is a much much slower process ... and has 'us' 
with lots of blank information. The base map will be very usefull to me 
at least... to get information that is presently missing in OSM. Must be 
1,000s of street names missing in Sydney alone.


I'm using JOSM .. and find a source tag can be nicely descriptive and 
used repetitively using a simple mouse click process once typed 
initially. You could also use a copy and paste system. I tend to use one 
source at at time so this works well for me.


Verification is a much quicker process - you spot what is wrong and only 
need to note that .. not every street name and its location.


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On 6 December 2015 at 18:17, cleary  wrote:

> I suggest we use the earliest date on which data is taken from a dataset
> but then add an amended date if, at any time, an update of the entire
> dataset is imported into OSM.
>

As part of other questions I've independently submitted to LPI after your
letter, I've inquired if a date range in the form "earliest date to
present" would meet their requirements. If okay, then we can simply list
all the datasets with "6 Dec 2015 to present" and mappers are free to pluck
out whichever bits of data whenever they like without needing to do
anything further.

On 8 December 2015 at 04:54, Paul Norman  wrote:

> When we're talking about source tags, we should use whatever is useful for
> mappers. In theory source date tags can be useful, but in practice I've not
> seen them worth the bother.
>

Agreed. As a mapper something easy to type is ideal such as lpi_imagery,
lpi_basemap, but I'm not overly fussed. I don't know how much I would use
the Base map though since I generally favor on the ground verification. the
Imagery will be very useful for more accurate tracing.
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I am removing my changes that used LPI data .. I have no faith that the 
data will remain available.


I would think that questions would be better placed here or sent to cleary.
The possibility that numerous people would contact LPI as participants 
of OSM may lead LPI to see OSM as not worth engaging with due to the 
'noise' that arises.


Hopefully the same will not occur with forth coming the Federal 
Government release. And that wont be imagery but POI data so maybe seen 
as less usefull.


 On 7/12/2015 2:45 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:

This conversation is quite scattered now but,

I've followed up with contact given in your letter (Diana Stewart) 
with my concerns and questions. Specifically I've asked:


1. what does the statement "Where specific licence terms (such as
Creative Commons) are applied to datasets, those licence terms
shall prevail over any inconsistent provisions in this statement."
mean? Because we need these additional permissions from LPI beyond
the scope of the CC license to be legally binding so that we may
use LPI data within OpenStreetMap. We need this additional
permissions from LPI to prevail over the problematic clauses
within the CC license.

2. "To ensure consumers are informed of the currency and accuracy
of data, LPI asks that the date of extraction be marked in red."
This requirement is difficult to implement for us due to the way
we would like to use LPI data, furthermore if implemented it would
be misleading. If the OpenStreetMap community were to include LPI
data or derived data within OpenStreetMap then this would be an
 ongoing adhoc inclusion of pieces of LPI data. As such, any
single statement intending to indicated data currency wouldn't be
accurate.

3. Could you please clarify that "on the 'Contributors' page of
OpenStreetMap" refers to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia and not
https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright


I've asked this in the context of my pretext:

I am of the understanding that as it currently stands the Creative
Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia license
(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/legalcode) isn't
compatible with the terms we (OpenStreetMap) need for inclusion of
such data or derived data in OpenStreetMap.

For example the above CC license in clauses 4A(b),4A(e),4B(a)
certain notices must be kept intact when we create new works
derived from your CC licensed LPI data. However, OpenStreetMap has
decided that this level of downstream attribution is too onerous
(so for example if OpenStreetMap included some data from LPI and a
3rd party web site includes an OpenStreetMap map, that website
shouldn't need to attribute LPI, rather they would only attribute
OpenStreetMap and in tern OpenStreetMap would attribute LPI).

Because of this, OpenStreetMap require specific explicit
permission from the copyright owner that such method of
attribution is acceptable since it is unclear if this is
acceptable under the plan CC BY 3.0 AU license.

Furthermore clause 4B(c) requires identification of changes made
to the original work. This isn't practical for OpenStreetMap so we
require that copyright holders grant us that we may simply state
something such as "in part derived from...".


I want to make sure that we have solid legal foundations for this, and 
would like to run it by the legal-talk list first for advice.



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Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data

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On 12/5/2015 11:17 PM, cleary wrote:
1. The requested acknowledgement, as specified by LPI, applies only to 
the information in the "Contributors" page of the wiki, not to the 
tags of each data item.  I think the source tag for each data item 
should be shorter but accurate e.g "NSW Base Map, LPI" or "NSW Points 
of Interest, LPI" etc.
2. Like one other mapper, I am also a little uncertain about including 
the date, however that is what has been requested and it is a small 
price to pay for access to such rich data. Where a whole dataset is 
imported on a particular date, it clearly makes sense but would seem 
less practical where data is extracted on an ongoing basis. Unless any 
clarification of this is received and since the stated intent of LPI 
was to indicate to users where data may be not the most recent, I 
suggest we use the earliest date on which data is taken from a dataset 
but then add an amended date if, at any time, an update of the entire 
dataset is imported into OSM. For example the current local government 
boundaries are to be extensively re-drawn in the next 6-9 months and 
it would be important to show whether any local government boundaries 
imported from LPI are the soon-to-be-obsolete 2015 version or a 
subsequent version.


When we're talking about source tags, we should use whatever is useful 
for mappers. In theory source date tags can be useful, but in practice 
I've not seen them worth the bother.


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This conversation is quite scattered now but,

I've followed up with contact given in your letter (Diana Stewart) with my
concerns and questions. Specifically I've asked:

1. what does the statement "Where specific licence terms (such as Creative
> Commons) are applied to datasets, those licence terms shall prevail over
> any inconsistent provisions in this statement." mean? Because we need these
> additional permissions from LPI beyond the scope of the CC license to be
> legally binding so that we may use LPI data within OpenStreetMap. We need
> this additional permissions from LPI to prevail over the problematic
> clauses within the CC license.
>
> 2. "To ensure consumers are informed of the currency and accuracy of data,
> LPI asks that the date of extraction be marked in red." This requirement is
> difficult to implement for us due to the way we would like to use LPI data,
> furthermore if implemented it would be misleading. If the OpenStreetMap
> community were to include LPI data or derived data within OpenStreetMap
> then this would be an  ongoing adhoc inclusion of pieces of LPI data. As
> such, any single statement intending to indicated data currency wouldn't be
> accurate.
>
> 3. Could you please clarify that "on the 'Contributors' page of
> OpenStreetMap" refers to
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia and not
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>

I've asked this in the context of my pretext:

I am of the understanding that as it currently stands the Creative Commons
> Attribution 3.0 Australia license (
> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/legalcode) isn't
> compatible with the terms we (OpenStreetMap) need for inclusion of such
> data or derived data in OpenStreetMap.
>
> For example the above CC license in clauses 4A(b),4A(e),4B(a) certain
> notices must be kept intact when we create new works derived from your CC
> licensed LPI data. However, OpenStreetMap has decided that this level of
> downstream attribution is too onerous (so for example if OpenStreetMap
> included some data from LPI and a 3rd party web site includes an
> OpenStreetMap map, that website shouldn't need to attribute LPI, rather
> they would only attribute OpenStreetMap and in tern OpenStreetMap would
> attribute LPI).
>
> Because of this, OpenStreetMap require specific explicit permission from
> the copyright owner that such method of attribution is acceptable since it
> is unclear if this is acceptable under the plan CC BY 3.0 AU license.
>
> Furthermore clause 4B(c) requires identification of changes made to the
> original work. This isn't practical for OpenStreetMap so we require that
> copyright holders grant us that we may simply state something such as "in
> part derived from...".
>

I want to make sure that we have solid legal foundations for this, and
would like to run it by the legal-talk list first for advice.
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[Simon Poole]

Andrew

Sydney was mostly empty post-licence change (for reasons I will not go
in to now) and lots of the roads were re-traced in an mad dash to patch
things up. At the time there was some expectation that it wouldn't take
all too much time for the street names to be fixed (given that Sydney is
not sooo small and in principle should support quite a large OSM
community), but as you see that didn't happen quite so fast. In any case
thank you for your work.

Simon

Am 06.12.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Andrew Davidson:
> Rather ironically I'm about half a dozen suburbs from completing
> Sydney.  When I started other people had done about 25% of the suburbs
> and I carried on with their approach of using the existing OSM map
> features that corresponded to the boundaries which are mostly streets,
> property boundaries and waterways. (Let me tell you I've see quite a
> large number of Sydney backyards ;-) ) I'd been using the ABS2011 as
> the basis for this but I had been checking with the NSWLPI stuff to
> see where they differed. I'd say that the ABS stuff was about 80-90%
> accurate with a few suburbs having very different boundaries and there
> being a number of new suburbs created since 2011. The interesting
> thing about the NSWLPI boundaries is that they don't always appear to
> be correct either (ie: boundaries obviously following streamlines but
> not lining up the the streams, probably because the data comes from a
> number of upstream data sources of varying accuracy) and that they
> have a lot of fine detail in them (ie: the suburb boundary jumping
> from one side of the street to the other or detouring up a walk way
> and back again, or passing straight through buildings).
>
> So there is a lot of interpretative work that went into putting these
> into OSM.
>
> What I quickly learnt was that the state of the OSM map in Sydney is
> pretty poor at the moment. It looks OK from low zoom levels but once
> you go in you discover that there are entire suburbs with no street
> names and that the street tracing is pretty rough in places. I'm
> guessing the problem has been that some of the early stuff was traced
> from NearMaps and the later stuff is from Bing.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 6 December 2015, 9:14, cleary  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have approached the NSW Government and have received permission for
> OpenStreetMap to use specified data from Land and Property Information
> NSW.
>
> I have added the appropriate attribution in the Contributors page of the
> wiki under New South Wales Government data and it includes a link
> ("explicit permission") to a transcription of the correspondence
> received, so that the details of the specified permission and requested
> attribution can be scrutinised.
>
> I do not have the skills to import whole datasets safely but it is my
> intention to utilise individual items of data where I can do so when
> editing OSM. I also recognise the dangers in importing data on a
> wholesale basis, for example the official NSW suburb boundaries (as
> shown in LPI data) are not the same as the ABS approximations which have
> already been included in some places and there would be scope for
> serious conflict of data if this particular LPI dataset were to be
> imported without a lot of care.
>
> Is there anything else that needs to be done in regard to appropriate
> publication of permission in the wiki? 
>
> I trust other users editing the New South Wales map will be interested
> in this new (and very rich) source of data.
>
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[Warin]

On 6/12/2015 6:17 PM, cleary wrote:
My thoughts in regard to issues raised today and a couple of 
additional thoughts about using NSW LPI data in OSM:
1. The requested acknowledgement, as specified by LPI, applies only to 
the information in the "Contributors" page of the wiki, not to the 
tags of each data item.  I think the source tag for each data item 
should be shorter but accurate e.g "NSW Base Map, LPI" or "NSW Points 
of Interest, LPI" etc.


As the data base is restricted to NSW Australia it may be sufficient to 
simply state LPI, base map (or Imagery or POI etc) .
2. Like one other mapper, I am also a little uncertain about including 
the date, however that is what has been requested and it is a small 
price to pay for access to such rich data. Where a whole dataset is 
imported on a particular date, it clearly makes sense but would seem 
less practical where data is extracted on an ongoing basis. Unless any 
clarification of this is received and since the stated intent of LPI 
was to indicate to users where data may be not the most recent, I 
suggest we use the earliest date on which data is taken from a dataset 
but then add an amended date if, at any time, an update of the entire 
dataset is imported into OSM. For example the current local government 
boundaries are to be extensively re-drawn in the next 6-9 months and 
it would be important to show whether any local government boundaries 
imported from LPI are the soon-to-be-obsolete 2015 version or a 
subsequent version.
3. The permission, as written, does not include the "six" mapping 
site, although I note that clicking on the preview page for the NSW 
Base Map takes one to the "six" site.. Our permission is for the 
datasets on 
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/lpi_web_services/access_lpi_web_services
The NSW Base Map is one of the datasets offered on this page and, 
although it appears to be basically the same as the "six" map, I think 
we should be careful to refer to the dataset names on webpage 
specified in the permission.


I think the 'six maps' is part of LPI ... certainly the URLs for the web 
displayed maps show that. e.g. 
http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Imagery/MapServer?f=jsapi


4. On the "Contributors" page of the wiki, I have included only the 
NSW Base Map dataset as that is the only one I am using now. However, 
as any of us starts to use data from any of the other datasets (such 
as the NSW Points of Interest dataset), we must be careful to add the 
respective dataset and specified information as a further dot point in 
the relevant part of the "Contributors" page.


The LPI Imagery appears to be more normal to the earths' surface, 
possibly taken at a lower altitude too - better resolution. This makes 
it better to resolve the footprint of a building. So that too will be 
usefull for some.


5. Some information in the different datasets is contradictory. For 
example, some of the road names etc in the "NSW Points of Interest" 
database are older obsolete names (different from those shown in the 
NSW Base Map dataset) so we should recognise that even within the LPI 
datasets there may be data that we do not wish to use. This may also 
be good reason that source tags for individual data items include not 
just "LPI NSW" but indicate the particular dataset relied upon.


Reluctantly agreed on the source tags :) . The base map appears to be a 
few years old - shows a local private hospital that was knocked down 
some years ago and is how some apartments.


I am interested if anyone has other thoughts on these points.


I note that I'm presently getting time outs through JOSM .. but not by 
displaying their data on the web. Possibly a few people loading up their 
servers, I'll wait to tomorrow and see what happens after, say, 10 am.


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Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data

[cleary]

My thoughts in regard to issues raised today and a couple of additional
thoughts about using NSW LPI data in OSM:

1. The requested acknowledgement, as specified by LPI, applies only to
   the information in the "Contributors" page of the wiki, not to the
   tags of each data item.  I think the source tag for each data item
   should be shorter but accurate e.g "NSW Base Map, LPI" or "NSW Points
   of Interest, LPI" etc.

2. Like one other mapper, I am also a little uncertain about including
   the date, however that is what has been requested and it is a small
   price to pay for access to such rich data. Where a whole dataset is
   imported on a particular date, it clearly makes sense but would seem
   less practical where data is extracted on an ongoing basis. Unless
   any clarification of this is received and since the stated intent of
   LPI was to indicate to users where data may be not the most recent, I
   suggest we use the earliest date on which data is taken from a
   dataset but then add an amended date if, at any time, an update of
   the entire dataset is imported into OSM. For example the current
   local government boundaries are to be extensively re-drawn in the
   next 6-9 months and it would be important to show whether any local
   government boundaries imported from LPI are the soon-to-be-obsolete
   2015 version or a subsequent version.

3. The permission, as written, does not include the "six" mapping site,
   although I note that clicking on the preview page for the NSW Base
   Map takes one to the "six" site.. Our permission is for the datasets
   on
   
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/lpi_web_services/access_lpi_web_services

The NSW Base Map is one of the datasets offered on this page and,
although it appears to be basically the same as the "six" map, I think
we should be careful to  refer to the dataset names on webpage specified
in the permission.

4. On the "Contributors" page of the wiki, I have included only the NSW
   Base Map dataset as that is the only one I am using now. However, as
   any of us starts to use data from any of the other datasets (such as
   the NSW Points of Interest dataset), we must be careful to add the
   respective dataset and specified information as a further dot point
   in the relevant part of the "Contributors" page.

5. Some information in the different datasets is contradictory. For
   example, some of the road names etc in the "NSW Points of Interest"
   database are older obsolete names (different from those shown in the
   NSW Base Map dataset) so we should recognise that even within the LPI
   datasets there may be data that we do not wish to use. This may also
   be good reason that source tags for individual data items include not
   just "LPI NSW" but indicate the particular dataset relied upon.

I am interested if anyone has other thoughts on these points.






>
>  On Sunday, 6 December 2015, 9:14, cleary  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have approached the NSW Government and have received permission for
> OpenStreetMap to use specified data from Land and Property
> Information NSW.
>
> I have added the appropriate attribution in the Contributors page of
> the wiki under New South Wales Government data and it includes a link
> ("explicit permission") to a transcription of the correspondence
> received, so that the details of the specified permission and
> requested attribution can be scrutinised.
>
> I do not have the skills to import whole datasets safely but it is my
> intention to utilise individual items of data where I can do so when
> editing OSM. I also recognise the dangers in importing data on a
> wholesale basis, for example the official NSW suburb boundaries (as
> shown in LPI data) are not the same as the ABS approximations which
> have already been included in some places and there would be scope for
> serious conflict of data if this particular LPI dataset were to be
> imported without a lot of care.
>
> Is there anything else that needs to be done in regard to appropriate
> publication of permission in the wiki?
>
> I trust other users editing the New South Wales map will be interested
> in this new (and very rich) source of data.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data

[Andrew Davidson]

Rather ironically I'm about half a dozen suburbs from completing Sydney.  When 
I started other people had done about 25% of the suburbs and I carried on with 
their approach of using the existing OSM map features that corresponded to the 
boundaries which are mostly streets, property boundaries and waterways. (Let me 
tell you I've see quite a large number of Sydney backyards ;-) ) I'd been using 
the ABS2011 as the basis for this but I had been checking with the NSWLPI stuff 
to see where they differed. I'd say that the ABS stuff was about 80-90% 
accurate with a few suburbs having very different boundaries and there being a 
number of new suburbs created since 2011. The interesting thing about the 
NSWLPI boundaries is that they don't always appear to be correct either (ie: 
boundaries obviously following streamlines but not lining up the the streams, 
probably because the data comes from a number of upstream data sources of 
varying accuracy) and that they have a lot of fine detail in them (ie: the 
suburb boundary jumping from one side of the street to the other or detouring 
up a walk way and back again, or passing straight through buildings).
So there is a lot of interpretative work that went into putting these into OSM.

What I quickly learnt was that the state of the OSM map in Sydney is pretty 
poor at the moment. It looks OK from low zoom levels but once you go in you 
discover that there are entire suburbs with no street names and that the street 
tracing is pretty rough in places. I'm guessing the problem has been that some 
of the early stuff was traced from NearMaps and the later stuff is from Bing.




On Sunday, 6 December 2015, 9:14, cleary  wrote:
 

 
I have approached the NSW Government and have received permission for
OpenStreetMap to use specified data from Land and Property Information
NSW.

I have added the appropriate attribution in the Contributors page of the
wiki under New South Wales Government data and it includes a link
("explicit permission") to a transcription of the correspondence
received, so that the details of the specified permission and requested
attribution can be scrutinised.

I do not have the skills to import whole datasets safely but it is my
intention to utilise individual items of data where I can do so when
editing OSM. I also recognise the dangers in importing data on a
wholesale basis, for example the official NSW suburb boundaries (as
shown in LPI data) are not the same as the ABS approximations which have
already been included in some places and there would be scope for
serious conflict of data if this particular LPI dataset were to be
imported without a lot of care.

Is there anything else that needs to be done in regard to appropriate
publication of permission in the wiki?  

I trust other users editing the New South Wales map will be interested
in this new (and very rich) source of data.


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[Warin]

On 6/12/2015 11:32 AM, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote:

Wow, this is like an early xmas present :-D
- I'm super-happy to get access to missing street names around Sydney
for OSM.


QUESTION
How do I get this imagery into JOSM?! They have one access in javaGIS ... A 
simple explanation ?

In JOSM, go to: Edit --> Preferences, WMS TMS tab, in the bottom right
click on "+ TMS" icon.
URL:
http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
maximum zoom: 19
The generated TMS URL should look like:
tms[19]:http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
Layer name: NSW LPI

Then you're done :-)

Cam.



:-D Happy Happy!!

Thank you and well done cleary and Cam.

-
Think more on the LPI request for acknowledgement.. how about putting it 
on the source tag?

For example ...
source=Land and Property Information NSW Australia, December 2015 by 
Warin61


It includes the name for the source, the date of entry and by who. Bit 
long!
Could Land and Property Information NSW Australia be abbreviated to LPI 
NSW Australia? It is their web URL, google finds it nicely.


Why?
the name gives you where it came from
the date gives you when
the author gives you who

Some may say;
a) the date should be the date of the data ... the 'common' mapper may 
not know that .. may get it wrong. So use what they will know and get right.
b) you can get this from the history ... yes and no. Yes from the 
original entry, No if someone changes it from the original and uses the 
same data source name but with updated data .. what changes in the 
source tag? Nothing?


I might put this on the OSM Golgafrincham B arc list otherwise called 
the OSM tagging list../.


Have a good (mapping) Xmass all. /
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[Andrew Davidson]

It's easier to go with the WMS versions by choosing add WMS and pointing at:
http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/services/public/NSW_Imagery/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities&service=WMS
for the aerial imagery.
http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities&service=WMS
For the base map
http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/services/public/NSW_Administrative_Boundaries/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities&service=WMS
for the administrative boundaries. If you choose "Store WMS enpoint only" you 
can have one menu entry that allows you to choose which admin boundaries you'd 
like to see. 


On Sunday, 6 December 2015, 11:34, "cam_...@fastmail.fm" 
 wrote:
 

 Wow, this is like an early xmas present :-D
- I'm super-happy to get access to missing street names around Sydney
for OSM.

>QUESTION
>How do I get this imagery into JOSM?! They have one access in javaGIS ... A 
>simple explanation ?

In JOSM, go to: Edit --> Preferences, WMS TMS tab, in the bottom right
click on "+ TMS" icon.
URL:
http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
maximum zoom: 19
The generated TMS URL should look like:
tms[19]:http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
Layer name: NSW LPI

Then you're done :-)

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Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data in JOSM

[cam_daw]

Wow, this is like an early xmas present :-D
- I'm super-happy to get access to missing street names around Sydney
for OSM.

>QUESTION
>How do I get this imagery into JOSM?! They have one access in javaGIS ... A 
>simple explanation ?

In JOSM, go to: Edit --> Preferences, WMS TMS tab, in the bottom right
click on "+ TMS" icon.
URL:
http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
maximum zoom: 19
The generated TMS URL should look like:
tms[19]:http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}.png
Layer name: NSW LPI

Then you're done :-)

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[Warin]

On 6/12/2015 9:16 AM, Nathanael Coyne wrote:

Excellent news - can you please publish here the actual wording from LPI?


Why not just view it on the OSMwiki?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Goverment_Data

Note the request to have the date of retrieval marked in red. Don't see 
how that can be meet .. a note may be added?


LPI info on their web 
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/lpi_web_services/access_lpi_web_services


--- 
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/lpi_web_services/access_lpi_web_services



This opens up the 'six' maps to use!!! Names of homesteads/farms, 
creeks, rivers, mountains , gaps and presence of campsites...


QUESTION
How do I get this imagery into JOSM?! They have one access in javaGIS 
... A simple explanation ?


http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/rest/services/public/NSW_Base_Map/MapServer?f=jsapi

Do I simply add this as type html?
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps#Documentation



---
There is also address info here too...




Nathanael Coyne

www.purecaffeine.com 

Canberra, Australia
0431 698 580


On 6 December 2015 at 09:12, cleary mailto:o...@97k.com>> 
wrote:



I have approached the NSW Government and have received permission for
OpenStreetMap to use specified data from Land and Property Information
NSW.

I have added the appropriate attribution in the Contributors page
of the
wiki under New South Wales Government data and it includes a link
("explicit permission") to a transcription of the correspondence
received, so that the details of the specified permission and
requested
attribution can be scrutinised.

I do not have the skills to import whole datasets safely but it is my
intention to utilise individual items of data where I can do so when
editing OSM. I also recognise the dangers in importing data on a
wholesale basis, for example the official NSW suburb boundaries (as
shown in LPI data) are not the same as the ABS approximations
which have
already been included in some places and there would be scope for
serious conflict of data if this particular LPI dataset were to be
imported without a lot of care.

Is there anything else that needs to be done in regard to appropriate
publication of permission in the wiki?

I trust other users editing the New South Wales map will be interested
in this new (and very rich) source of data.


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The letter has been transcribed and can be accessed at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/New_South_Wales_Goverment_Data


On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, at 09:16 AM, Nathanael Coyne wrote:
> Excellent news - can you please publish here the actual wording
> from LPI?
>
>
>
> Nathanael Coyne www.purecaffeine.com[1]


> Canberra, Australia 0431 698 580

>
> On 6 December 2015 at 09:12, cleary  wrote:
>>
>>
I have approached the NSW Government and have received permission for
>>
OpenStreetMap to use specified data from Land and Property Information
>>
NSW.
>>
>>
I have added the appropriate attribution in the Contributors page of the
>>
wiki under New South Wales Government data and it includes a link
>>
("explicit permission") to a transcription of the correspondence
>>
received, so that the details of the specified permission and requested
>>
attribution can be scrutinised.
>>
>>
I do not have the skills to import whole datasets safely but it is my
>>
intention to utilise individual items of data where I can do so when
>>
editing OSM. I also recognise the dangers in importing data on a
>>
wholesale basis, for example the official NSW suburb boundaries (as
>>
shown in LPI data) are not the same as the ABS approximations which have
>>
already been included in some places and there would be scope for
>>
serious conflict of data if this particular LPI dataset were to be
>>
imported without a lot of care.
>>
>>
Is there anything else that needs to be done in regard to appropriate
>>
publication of permission in the wiki?
>>
>>
I trust other users editing the New South Wales map will be interested
>>
in this new (and very rich) source of data.
>>
>>
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Excellent news - can you please publish here the actual wording from LPI?



Nathanael Coyne

www.purecaffeine.com

Canberra, Australia
0431 698 580

On 6 December 2015 at 09:12, cleary  wrote:

>
> I have approached the NSW Government and have received permission for
> OpenStreetMap to use specified data from Land and Property Information
> NSW.
>
> I have added the appropriate attribution in the Contributors page of the
> wiki under New South Wales Government data and it includes a link
> ("explicit permission") to a transcription of the correspondence
> received, so that the details of the specified permission and requested
> attribution can be scrutinised.
>
> I do not have the skills to import whole datasets safely but it is my
> intention to utilise individual items of data where I can do so when
> editing OSM. I also recognise the dangers in importing data on a
> wholesale basis, for example the official NSW suburb boundaries (as
> shown in LPI data) are not the same as the ABS approximations which have
> already been included in some places and there would be scope for
> serious conflict of data if this particular LPI dataset were to be
> imported without a lot of care.
>
> Is there anything else that needs to be done in regard to appropriate
> publication of permission in the wiki?
>
> I trust other users editing the New South Wales map will be interested
> in this new (and very rich) source of data.
>
>
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[talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data

[cleary]

I have approached the NSW Government and have received permission for
OpenStreetMap to use specified data from Land and Property Information
NSW.

I have added the appropriate attribution in the Contributors page of the
wiki under New South Wales Government data and it includes a link
("explicit permission") to a transcription of the correspondence
received, so that the details of the specified permission and requested
attribution can be scrutinised.

I do not have the skills to import whole datasets safely but it is my
intention to utilise individual items of data where I can do so when
editing OSM. I also recognise the dangers in importing data on a
wholesale basis, for example the official NSW suburb boundaries (as
shown in LPI data) are not the same as the ABS approximations which have
already been included in some places and there would be scope for
serious conflict of data if this particular LPI dataset were to be
imported without a lot of care.

Is there anything else that needs to be done in regard to appropriate
publication of permission in the wiki?  

I trust other users editing the New South Wales map will be interested
in this new (and very rich) source of data.


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