Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
Travelling about northern NSW in the lead up to xmas I noticed this location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585129264 Is no longer a BP, but has Liberty signs up... BP states they update their dataset monthly but it seems they're a bit slack... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: To be a complete hypocrit, I could check it out on my way to work tomorrow. If driving, I drive straight past it, if riding, I pass within a few blocks. Then again, had a quick look with streetview, looks like BPs on both sides. Both look pretty established, so I'm guessing it's demolished rather than new. Yes, it's definitely been razed. The big BP sign is still there, so it's unclear whether they're just rebuilding it from below ground level or what. The one over the road (north/outbound side) is still there. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/16 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Yes, it's definitely been razed. The big BP sign is still there, so it's unclear whether they're just rebuilding it from below ground level or what. Ahh ok, I couldn't make out signs from NearMap, then again I wasn't looking that much after seeing a hole in the ground :) The one over the road (north/outbound side) is still there. Yea you can see it on the NearMap imagery, maybe they'll level it once they get done with this one? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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BP have this location on their site: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585128133 Except when you view it with NearMap the site has been leveled, not sure if BP is rebuilding it or what ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: BP have this location on their site: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585128133 Except when you view it with NearMap the site has been leveled, not sure if BP is rebuilding it or what To be a complete hypocrit, I could check it out on my way to work tomorrow. If driving, I drive straight past it, if riding, I pass within a few blocks. Then again, had a quick look with streetview, looks like BPs on both sides. Both look pretty established, so I'm guessing it's demolished rather than new. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Then again, had a quick look with streetview, looks like BPs on both sides. Both look pretty established, so I'm guessing it's demolished rather than new. The NearMap imagery is very recent, the same can't be said for sat imagery or streetview, even so there may be construction since the last NearMap pass. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2 Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2 Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags... I just noticed since that contains version numbers etc, you can just use that file in JOSM to edit/update and don't need to screw about downloading from OSM before editing, you may need to periodically update from OSM data to make sure your local copy is in sync with what everyone else is doing but it's easier than editing otherwise. I just dumped a copy of all amenity=fuel in Australia to the work server, rather than operator=BP... This will help with duplicate fuel station locations that didn't have an operator tag... http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/fuel.osm.bz2 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Here's an example of OSM beating even BP to the punch... This location doesn't exist in the BP dataset: http://osm.org/go/uN9xpckXA-- You can make out BP signs with NearMap and according to OSM data, it was tagged on the 3rd of November... http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/552634810/history ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: 2009/12/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2 Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags... I just noticed since that contains version numbers etc, you can just use that file in JOSM to edit/update and don't need to screw about downloading from OSM before editing, you may need to periodically update from OSM data to make sure your local copy is in sync with what everyone else is doing but it's easier than editing otherwise. I just dumped a copy of all amenity=fuel in Australia to the work server, rather than operator=BP... This will help with duplicate fuel station locations that didn't have an operator tag... http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/fuel.osm.bz2 Thanks for the list I just found one 32.7km away from home Darlington Point Truck Stop found a long way west ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: H BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more service stations? :) I joined two together in Grenfell same address same phone number same stuff for sale i think they represent wholesale and retail. I'd only found one BP when in Grenfell ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/13 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: H BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more service stations? :) I joined two together in Grenfell same address same phone number same stuff for sale i think they represent wholesale and retail. I'd only found one BP when in Grenfell Were the ID numbers the same? If they were and you don't track the ID numbers they may get re-imported in future. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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John Smith wrote: H BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more service stations? :) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3360844 I notice that both are tagged with: fuel:octane_91 = no implying that neither sell ordinary unleaded petrol. That's the normal high-volume seller, or have you banned it in Qld? Other fuel tags are: fuel:GTL_diesel = yes fuel:diesel = no fuel:e10 = yes fuel:lpg = yes fuel:octane_95 = yes fuel:octane_98 = yes John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/13 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: John Smith wrote: H BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more service stations? :) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3360844 I notice that both are tagged with: fuel:octane_91 = no implying that neither sell ordinary unleaded petrol. That's the normal high-volume seller, or have you banned it in Qld? That's assuming BP tagged their locations correctly. Two near by locations are tagged as selling that fuel: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585129781 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585129778 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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I notice that both are tagged with: fuel:octane_91 = no implying that neither sell ordinary unleaded petrol. That's the normal high-volume seller, or have you banned it in Qld? fuel:e10 = yes Replaces 91 octane at lots of BP servos. At least they have 95, 98 and lpg which suits me as the truck really does not like e10. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Ross Scanlon wrote: fuel:e10 = yes Replaces 91 octane at lots of BP servos. At least they have 95, 98 and lpg which suits me as the truck really does not like e10. Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even though Nissan say not to. I've never had a problem with drivability or with the fuel or intake system. On the contrary, e10 is actually about 93 or 94 octane, as the ethanol raises the octane number of the 91 base fuel. Occasionally I'll use ordinary ordinary ULP where e10 isn't available, and then I'll hear the occasional pinking from the engine momentarily until the knock sensor retards the spark. Running with more spark advance on e10 makes up for its marginally lower energy content. Just my 2¢ worth in an emotional and off-topic debate. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/14 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com: Ross Scanlon wrote: fuel:e10 = yes Replaces 91 octane at lots of BP servos. At least they have 95, 98 and lpg which suits me as the truck really does not like e10. Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even though Nissan say not to. I've never had a problem with drivability or with the fuel or intake system. Most cars made after the mid-80s in the US had to be capable of ethernol based fuels, I'm guessing that most cars built since will be capable of ethernol since the US is such a large market etc. The main problem as I understand it is with the fuel line, due to alcohol eating away unsuitable rubber/plastic. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even though Nissan say not to. I've never had a problem with drivability or with the fuel or intake system. On the contrary, e10 is actually about 93 or 94 octane, as the ethanol raises the octane number of the 91 base fuel. Occasionally I'll use ordinary ordinary ULP where e10 isn't available, and then I'll hear the occasional pinking from the engine momentarily until the knock sensor retards the spark. Running with more spark advance on e10 makes up for its marginally lower energy content. Just my 2¢ worth in an emotional and off-topic debate. John Bit different in engine type, mines a 5.8l V8 which will run on e10 or 91 octane but it's not good. Fuel consumption increases by about 5l per 100km. Prefered fuel is 98 or 95 with octane boost. I'd actually like to be able to run e85 or e100 but would need fuel injection to do it practicable. Would also be able to produce enough ethanol at home for local use and just use what ever fuel is available when touring. Our XR8 runs quite nicely on e10 maybe I should just get an XR8 engine and put it in the truck. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords go wonky, wonder if they want more accurate co-ords... I've found one that is almost 20km out - and wondered whether this is the worst one found so far?: http://www.bp.com/iframe.do?categoryId=9012436contentId=7017653 It's in the dataset as Lehmann Motors Coominya, but it's actually in Tarampa to the south south. I'm almost certain this is a geo-coding from address error, because the servo listed address is Main Street Tarampa, and the nearest occurrence of Main Street is in Coominya a fair bit further North. The new location in OSM is http://osm.org/go/ueB_yMDYg- I drove out there to check and be certain on the weekend so have removed the FIXME tag. Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/14 Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com: I've found one that is almost 20km out - and wondered whether this is the worst one found so far?: http://www.bp.com/iframe.do?categoryId=9012436contentId=7017653 The one at Moree was plotted 20km out of Moree to the North, but the servo is on the south side of Moree. The address is just listed as Newell Highway, Moree, so most deff geo-coding errors because of the address fed into them. Although the funny thing is most Gold Coast locations were almost spot on, they looked manually placed because they were located on top of the servo rather than on a nearby street, some had some very obscure address information too which also made me think they were manually located. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: I drove out there to check and be certain on the weekend so have removed the FIXME tag. Wow, someone cares about their servos :) Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: I drove out there to check and be certain on the weekend so have removed the FIXME tag. Wow, someone cares about their servos :) Why haven't you? :P ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records... And if the public dataset is simply used address to geo lookups, then which geocoder did they use? And is BP allowed to publish the derived dataset? Brendan On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:43:08 +1100, Liz wrote: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords go wonky, wonder if they want more accurate co-ords... Dear BP, We gather that you have misplaced several of your service stations. We are pleased to inform you that we have located them at the following locations: ... We trust this puts your mind at ease. Love, OpenStreetMap I think we should advise them of where their servos have gone ;) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Brendan Morley wrote: I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records... The Beckom one was so far up the road it had moved to a rest area Others like Young, address on an intersection, were on the intersection literally And if the public dataset is simply used address to geo lookups, then which geocoder did they use? And is BP allowed to publish the derived dataset? Questions without answers... Brendan -- BOFH excuse #297: Too many interrupts ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/12 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au: I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records... They probably don't need to know/care about the geo data. And if the public dataset is simply used address to geo lookups, then which geocoder did they use? And is BP allowed to publish the derived dataset? Since nowwhere.com.au/mapds is doing the mapping they probably provided the geocoder too, as for them being allowed, that is most likely a contractual issue and if they're publishing the information they probably have the rights to, or there will be some legal spats at some point in the future :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/11 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On Wednesday, December 09, 2009, at 03:25PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations. Has anyone asked any of the other companies yet? If not, I'll send some emails about: http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx http://www.shell.com.au/home/content/aus/products_services/on_the_road/shell_station_locator/site_locator.html http://apps.exxonmobil.com.au/apps/htm/mn_mobil_products_stations.asp Travelling about yesterday there is also others like Matilda chain and United among others. www.matildafuel.com.au www.unitedpetroleum.com.au And of course family owned ones, but I doubt most of them would be easily located centrally. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on the link you posted? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482lon=153.029376zoom=18layers=B000FTF - David John Smith-131 wrote: Anyone familiar with the BP at this location? 44 Bowen Bridge Rd, Herston QLD 4006 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.446834lon=153.029365zoom=18 Looking at Nearmap imagery, I just can't see anything close by that looks like service station. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Australia-BP-service-station-dataset---suitable-for-bulk-import--tp26705038p26764126.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Australian Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on the link you posted? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482lon=153.029376zoom=18layers=B000FTF - David John Smith-131 wrote: Anyone familiar with the BP at this location? 44 Bowen Bridge Rd, Herston QLD 4006 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.446834lon=153.029365zoom=18 Looking at Nearmap imagery, I just can't see anything close by that looks like service station. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Australia-BP-service-station-dataset---suitable-for-bulk-import--tp26705038p26764125.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Australian Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/13 David Dean dd...@ieee.org: Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on the link you posted? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482lon=153.029376zoom=18layers=B000FTF Mmmm that was a tad obvious, dunno how I missed it ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Arie Paap wrote: How should duplicates which are already in OSM (but weren't close enough to be picked up when processed) be dealt with? For example BP Bellevue: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.8941lon=116.0263zoom=17layers=B000 FTF (both appear on southern side of Great Eastern Hwy if your browser window is wide enough; Node 332954025 is at the correct location). Should information be transferred to older node or should the new node be moved to correct position and old one deleted? Arie. P.S. Apologies to John for duplicate sent directly to him. the one i did i dragged the node to the surveyed place, merged the two, and left the source as bp?; survey i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at blanchetown, so either its not bp any more, or because the node was close the new data has not been imported ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/11 Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com: How should duplicates which are already in OSM (but weren't close enough to be picked up when processed) be dealt with? For example BP Bellevue: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.8941lon=116.0263zoom=17layers=B000FTF (both appear on southern side of Great Eastern Hwy if your browser window is wide enough; Node 332954025 is at the correct location). Should information be transferred to older node or should the new node be moved to correct position and old one deleted? Actually some people have drawn an area and labelled it as amenity=fuel as well. As you pointed out, there is 2 options, you can copy the details and delete the new node, or you can move the new node and delete the old node, either should be fine. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/11 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx I wouldn't bother with nowwhere, it's a mapds website and they are most likely hosting the data on behalf of caltex, and so they probably wouldn't be able or willing to release the data. http://www.shell.com.au/home/content/aus/products_services/on_the_road/shell_station_locator/site_locator.html http://apps.exxonmobil.com.au/apps/htm/mn_mobil_products_stations.asp After we've done fuel stations what about fast food locations? :) Then you have supermarket chains, and so on. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/11 Liz ed...@billiau.net: i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at blanchetown, so either its not bp any more, or because the node was close the new data has not been imported I think you found it, unless you mean there is 2 BPs at Blanchetown? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, you wrote: 2009/12/11 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, you wrote: i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at blanchetown, so either its not bp any more, or because the node was close the new data has not been imported Or the geodata is wrong and the node is 10km away. or they moved it 10km in the last year?? I'm yet to see any of the geo data being correct, they're all guesstimates based on the street address fed to the geolocation code. If the address is on a corner then the node will be sitting on a corner (eg the wagga one) but if the address is really helpful like Sturt Highway Blanchetown it could be anywhere. -- BOFH excuse #153: Big to little endian conversion error ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/10 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2009/12/10 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: [26] = ATM You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point? I added tag k='amenity:atm' v='no' / tag k='amenity:eftpos' v='yes' / tag k='rent:trailers' v='no' / tag k='rent:lpg_bottles' v='no' / tag k='amenity:carwash' v='no' / tag k='amenity:cleango' v='no' / tag k='amenity:superwash' v='no' / What about http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:atm%3Dyes for the ATM? Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Also do we need to include tags when there is nothing present. I think the basic case is that those services are not present. Including them only when they are present would make more sense in my view and would not take as much space in the database. Yeah, but then you can't tell the difference between unknown information, and known absence. I'd say if we know for certain that a service is not present, might as well mark it as such. I'm not losing sleep either way, though. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: All 1,381 locations have been uploaded, there was a few more duplicates I missed before but these have been removed as well. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3340910 Bound to be some duplicates that already exist in the system, but most will need to be moved in any case because the geo data is bad. How should duplicates which are already in OSM (but weren't close enough to be picked up when processed) be dealt with? For example BP Bellevue: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.8941lon=116.0263zoom=17layers=B000FTF (both appear on southern side of Great Eastern Hwy if your browser window is wide enough; Node 332954025 is at the correct location). Should information be transferred to older node or should the new node be moved to correct position and old one deleted? Arie. P.S. Apologies to John for duplicate sent directly to him. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wednesday, December 09, 2009, at 03:25PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations. Has anyone asked any of the other companies yet? If not, I'll send some emails about: http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx http://www.shell.com.au/home/content/aus/products_services/on_the_road/shell_station_locator/site_locator.html http://apps.exxonmobil.com.au/apps/htm/mn_mobil_products_stations.asp ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Make sure if you are going to enter fuel information then you include all types, (lpg, 91, 95, 98 octane, diesel, etc) More: Automotive LPG is different tax-wise from barbecue LPG and therefore sold and dispensed differently, sometimes you can refill your own LPG bottle and sometimes you can only buy a full one or swap an empty one for a full one. Alpine diesel is a different fuel from normal diesel and usually only sold during the winter months in alpine areas. Ethanol is for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so it should be noted for those of us who'd rather push the car than put E10 in it. Also some servos have pre-mixed two-stroke fuel, kerosene or firewood available, just in case you drive a ride-on mower or a wood-fired traction engine with satnav. Or maybe that's going a little too far. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
2009/12/9 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au: and usually only sold during the winter months in alpine areas. Ethanol is for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so As if the govt doesn't get enough tax already, and they get tax on top of tax when the GST kicks in. Anyway, this is getting off topic, the fields from the BP are as following, most are binary fields (Y or N), no idea what the other field is for. NAME,X,Y, LocationNo, Street, Town, State, Postcode, Phone, Unlead, PremiumUnlead, BPUltimate, E10, Diesel, Any_Autogas, Hours_24, Trailers, LPGBottle, Toilets, CarWash, CleanGo, SuperWash, Other, Pay, EFTPOS, GIFT_CARD, ATM, Restaurant, TruckStops, Express, BP_UltimateDiesel ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
2009/12/9 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Sam Couter wrote: Ethanol is for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so it should be noted for those of us who'd rather push the car than put E10 in it. I thought E10 was so I didn't have to pay a 30c per litre premium to put 95 octane fuel in a car. The problem with E10 for most cars is it doesn't recognise the extra oxygen atom so the car runs less effiecent by about 3% which is why it's 3% cheaper most of the time, however cars in the US can run up to E85 because the chip in the car can auto sense the extra oxygen and alter the the fuel/air mix. The other problem for older cars is the the fuel line may not be able to cope with the ethernol and can eat the rubber/plastic away, most/all modern cars don't suffer this problem. Of course by using ethernol you are burning food, luckily most of which is from sugar cane in Australia, which has about an 8x return of energy unlike the silly americans burning corn which doesn't even break even energy wise and it's driving up the cost of fertilisers etc and making food production more expensive and so the world goes on starving. Of course if they pumped the waste from coal fire power plants into green houses that have water tanks full of algea and then turn the algea into fuel you gat something like 40,000-80,000L of ethernol per acre, it gets rid of all the emissions in a safe manner and we don't need to import crude oil. But of course that would be too smart so we can't have that. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: Anyway, this is getting off topic, the fields from the BP are as following, most are binary fields (Y or N), no idea what the other field is for. NAME,X,Y, LocationNo, Street, Town, State, Postcode, Phone, Unlead, PremiumUnlead, BPUltimate, E10, Diesel, Any_Autogas, Hours_24, Trailers, LPGBottle, Toilets, CarWash, CleanGo, SuperWash, Other, Pay, EFTPOS, GIFT_CARD, ATM, Restaurant, TruckStops, Express, BP_UltimateDiesel give us some practical examples and we can go and visit our local BP servos and try to work out what Other is ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: NAME,X,Y, LocationNo, Street, Town, State, Postcode, Phone, Unlead, PremiumUnlead, BPUltimate, E10, Diesel, Any_Autogas, Hours_24, Trailers, LPGBottle, Toilets, CarWash, CleanGo, SuperWash, Other, Pay, EFTPOS, GIFT_CARD, ATM, Restaurant, TruckStops, Express, BP_UltimateDiesel Can we really maintain this? These services come and go fairly frequently. Also, if you're doing a bulk import, how do you avoid double tagging existing servos? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
2009/12/9 Liz ed...@billiau.net: give us some practical examples and we can go and visit our local BP servos and try to work out what Other is AA Oakleigh 145.09 -37.88 5362162 - 168 Warrigal Rd Oakleigh VIC 3166 AA Reservoir145.02 -37.72 372235 - 37 Gisborne Cres Reservoir VIC 3073 BP Capalaba 153.19 -27.52 4208Corner Of Old Cleveland Road And Dollery RoadCapalabaQLD 4157 BP Connect Eagle Vale 150.82 -34.03 2806Cnr Eagle Vale Dr Gould Rd Eagle Vale NSW 2558 BP Connect Elizabeth Vale 138.68 -34.74 5204Cnr Main North Rd Hogarth Rd Elizabeth Vale SA 5112 BP Connect Loganholme 153.19 -27.69 81424120 Pacific MotorwayLOGANHOLME QLD 4129 BP Connect Wembley 115.82 -31.94 6211240 Cambridge StWembley WA 6014 BP Darlington 138.58 -35.01 59451483 South Rd Darlington SA 5047 BP Express Modbury 138.68 -34.83 9132931 North East Rd Modbury SA 5092 BP Georges Hall 151 -33.92 9513Cnr Marion St Surrey Ave GEORGES HALLNSW 2198 BP Granville151 -33.83 558527 Woodville Road Granville NSW 2142 BP Holden Hill 138.67 -34.85 5965724 North East Road Holden Hill SA 5088 BP Kelmscott116.02 -32.12 54962907 Albany Highway Kelmscott WA 6111 BP Kootingal Country Inn151.05 -31.06 85912 Chelmsford St Kootingal NSW 2352 BP Loftus 151.05 -34.05 899 127 Loftus avenue loftus NSW 2232 BP Marmor 150.74 -23.69 5360Bruce Hwy Marmor QLD 4702 BP Seven Hills 150.94 -33.77 985 156 Prospect HwySeven Hills NSW 2147 BP Steel River 151.73 -32.89 582310 Murray Dwyer Circuit Mayfield West NSW 2304 BP Tarneit 144.69 -37.85 5801CORNER OF DERRIMUT ROAD AND SAYERS ROADTARNEIT VIC 3029 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
2009/12/9 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Can we really maintain this? These services come and go fairly frequently. Just keep a list of nodes/ways and the location ID and it should be trivial to keep up to date. Also, if you're doing a bulk import, how do you avoid double tagging existing servos? You can pull nodes within a few hundred metres and try to auto match, or manual import. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
On 09/12/2009, at 8:26 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: Can we really maintain this? These services come and go fairly frequently. Individual things like whether they have LPG filling for bbqs maybe, but servos don't move that often (usually taken over by another one). In any case, it's probably not going to get out of date any worse than restaurant names/cuisines or a lot of other things. If the BP data has IDs for servos, just put that into OSM too, and match it up if/when they release updated data. Also, if you're doing a bulk import, how do you avoid double tagging existing servos? I'd suggest doing something like import if there is not an existing amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/9 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: I'd suggest doing something like import if there is not an existing amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is. The only problem with that is where you get 2 or 3 service stations close/next to each other. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
On 09/12/2009, at 8:41 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:37 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: I'd suggest doing something like import if there is not an existing amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is. Ah, didn't know that kind of thing was possible, cool. It's probably not in any of the editor, like JOSM, but if someone was going to write a small script that converts the data it wouldn't be hard to make it check a planet extract (or the main db) as well. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:14:32 +1100 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Make sure if you are going to enter fuel information then you include all types, (lpg, 91, 95, 98 octane, diesel, etc) More: Automotive LPG is different tax-wise from barbecue LPG and therefore sold and dispensed differently, sometimes you can refill your own LPG bottle and sometimes you can only buy a full one or swap an empty one for a full one. The lpg in the BP data is for automotive lpg. If Chris is going to do a bulk import then the inclusion of fuel:type tags would be very easy. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with E10 for most cars is it doesn't recognise the extra oxygen atom Australian electronic fuel injection systems have O2 sensors, this isn't a problem. The reduced energy of E10 compared to the same volume of petrol is a problem, is basic physics, and can't be changed. and making food production more expensive and so the world goes on starving. People don't starve for a worldwide lack of food, they starve because the excess of food is in the wrong place, ie, not their belly. This is caused by world politics, corruption, local warlords, complete lack of central government in some places, etc, and the application of more food in places that already have enough won't fix any of that. Of course if they pumped the waste from coal fire power plants into green houses that have water tanks full of algea and then turn the algea into fuel you gat something like 40,000-80,000L of ethernol per acre, it gets rid of all the emissions in a safe manner and we don't need to import crude oil. But of course that would be too smart so we can't have that. Ethanol producers have pulled a fast one on the public and hooked government subsidies to create a very profitable and completely unsustainable industry. They won't let that go. Your solution still isn't carbon neutral either because you're burning coal, but that's a hell of a lot better than burning coal *and* oil. Our only feasible truly carbon neutral options are solar and nuclear. Solar's expensive and nuclear scares the NIMBYs even though it releases less radioactive waste than burning coal. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As if the govt doesn't get enough tax already, and they get tax on top of tax when the GST kicks in. The government gets *less* money from E10. Fuel excise is reduced and its production is subsidised. Anyway, this is getting off topic, Yes, but a near-incoherant rant is good fun sometimes. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
Ok, getting back on topic, I spent a little time this morning generating an OSM file that can be opened in JOSM. For those curious/interested: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPtest.osm.bz2 I haven't included all fields, I left out the following: [16] = Trailers [17] = LPGBottle [19] = CarWash [20] = CleanGo [21] = SuperWash [22] = Other [25] = GIFT_CARD [23] = Pay [24] = EFTPOS [26] = ATM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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[26] = ATM You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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2009/12/10 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: [26] = ATM You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point? I added tag k='amenity:atm' v='no' / tag k='amenity:eftpos' v='yes' / tag k='rent:trailers' v='no' / tag k='rent:lpg_bottles' v='no' / tag k='amenity:carwash' v='no' / tag k='amenity:cleango' v='no' / tag k='amenity:superwash' v='no' / Also if people have better suggestions for tag names I'm happy to update the file, just the best ones I could think of at the time. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Also I think some of the co-ords are way off, there is 2 BP locations in Carnarvon for example and when you zoom in on them there doesn't look to be a service station anywhere within the vicinity. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords go wonky, wonder if they want more accurate co-ords... Dear BP, We gather that you have misplaced several of your service stations. We are pleased to inform you that we have located them at the following locations: ... We trust this puts your mind at ease. Love, OpenStreetMap ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
2009/12/9 Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com: ref: Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import? BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations. They also offer another CSV dataset download with servo phone numbers, names and address. Could these two be useful to OpenStreetMap as a datasource? I think so. The data URL: http://www.bp.com/iframe.do?categoryId=9026935contentId=7049357 I'd be interested in volunteering to bulk upload this data via an API; but as I've only recently joined the project, I'd be grateful for some guidance on whether this is a good idea and also what API to use and how to go about it. My only concern is that I couldn't easily find a license for the data. There is very few points so it would possibly be easiest just to do it manually, by the time you sort out the data and upload it via a batch script it will probably take just as long. Before you upload it is usually good to think about what to tag, there is a bunch of useful information beyond phone numbers include the types of fuels sold, if the place is 24 hours etc. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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I just opened the all states csv files and pasted them into a spread sheet and ended up with 1,387 rows, there was 2 duplicate rows I removed and 1 row without co-ords. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:37:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/9 Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com: ref: Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import? BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations. They also offer another CSV dataset download with servo phone numbers, names and address. Could these two be useful to OpenStreetMap as a datasource? I think so. The data URL: http://www.bp.com/iframe.do?categoryId=9026935contentId=7049357 I'd be interested in volunteering to bulk upload this data via an API; but as I've only recently joined the project, I'd be grateful for some guidance on whether this is a good idea and also what API to use and how to go about it. My only concern is that I couldn't easily find a license for the data. There is very few points so it would possibly be easiest just to do it manually, by the time you sort out the data and upload it via a batch script it will probably take just as long. Before you upload it is usually good to think about what to tag, there is a bunch of useful information beyond phone numbers include the types of fuels sold, if the place is 24 hours etc. Make sure if you are going to enter fuel information then you include all types, (lpg, 91, 95, 98 octane, diesel, etc) Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
