Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[cleary]

Thanks for the feedback.   I now realise that the easily accessible data from 
Transport NSW is NOT licensed under Creative Commons and I would need 
assistance to access the licensed data. Andrew, thanks for the offer to assist 
in accessing the data.  However, on reflection, I don't think it should be a 
priority.  The Transport NSW website  https://transportnsw.info/routes/bus  
shows the most useful information , route by route, superimposed on the OSM 
map.  For the time being, this is probably adequate for most users  rather than 
refer to OSM's transport map layer.

So, at this stage,  I will leave it to others, with more knowledge and skills,  
to progress use of this data when time permits.

Thanks again for the feedback and offer of assistance.





On Wed, 5 Feb 2020, at 11:32 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 10:09, cleary  wrote:
> > 
> >  Some Sydney bus routes have changed and I have modified a few by survey 
> > (catching buses and recording routes and stops). Using TfNSW data would be 
> > much easier.
> > 
> >  1. Can I use the TfNSW data now to modify/add some local bus routes or do 
> > we need to await discussion and an agreed import plan?
> 
> If you plan to do everything manually I think that's okay for you to go 
> ahead. If you're planning on doing that on a mass scale (like trying to 
> do all of them) then a heads up would be appreciated, but otherwise I 
> have no problems.
> 
> If you're using TfNSW data and applying some transformation on it to 
> the OSM schema and plan on using that, then please post first so we can 
> do a review to make sure there are no issues. 
> 
> Technically we only have permission to use TfNSW's open data, so if you 
> need help with the GTFS feed to visualise routes I can try.
> 
> I would eventually like to see a semi-automated process to import bus 
> stops, I just don't have the time now, but I can review plans if 
> someone else wanted to.
> 
> >  2. Depending on the answer to the above, do we need to add TfNSW to the 
> > List of Conributors in the wiki? and does the waiver need to published in 
> > the wiki?
> 
> Yes, if the data is used in OpenStreetMap, per the waiver agreement we 
> need to add attribution at 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data,
>  specifying which dataset we used and providing the attribution.
> 
> The waiver is already published to the wiki at 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:TfNSW_OSM_CCBY_Signed_Waiver.pdf

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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Andrew Harvey]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 10:58, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 09:34, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> 2. Depending on the answer to the above, do we need to add TfNSW to the
>>> List of Conributors in the wiki?  and does the waiver need to published in
>>> the wiki?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, if the data is used in OpenStreetMap, per the waiver agreement we
>> need to add attribution at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data,
>> specifying which dataset we used and providing the attribution.
>>
>
> Would that need to be listed as the Source (eg GTFS data) against
> individual nodes (bus stops)?
>

It's not a legal requirement, that's why we ask for the waiver so that we
can provide attribution on the Contributors page, and not need to tag this
on every object.

The problem with the source tag on objects is there are usually a few
different sources, and different sources for the existence, location of the
object and then different sources for each tag. Then over time as other
contributors change tags, the source tag can become incorrect. What's worse
is if people feel like they can't edit an object since it's got a source
tag then it looks like an import that can't be touched.

I still add source to individual objects where I can, and change existing
source tags if I modify an object in a way that the original source no
longer applies, but it's not mandatory.

You should at a minimum specify the source on the changeset though, that's
helpful for other mappers to understand an edit.

>
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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 09:34, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

>
>
>> 2. Depending on the answer to the above, do we need to add TfNSW to the
>> List of Conributors in the wiki?  and does the waiver need to published in
>> the wiki?
>>
>
> Yes, if the data is used in OpenStreetMap, per the waiver agreement we
> need to add attribution at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data,
> specifying which dataset we used and providing the attribution.
>

Would that need to be listed as the Source (eg GTFS data) against
individual nodes (bus stops)?

  Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Andrew Harvey]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 10:09, cleary  wrote:

>
> Some Sydney bus routes have changed and I have modified a few by survey
> (catching buses and recording routes and stops).  Using TfNSW data would be
> much easier.
>
> 1. Can I use the TfNSW data now to modify/add some local bus routes or do
> we need to await discussion and an agreed import plan?
>

If you plan to do everything manually I think that's okay for you to go
ahead. If you're planning on doing that on a mass scale (like trying to do
all of them) then a heads up would be appreciated, but otherwise I have no
problems.

If you're using TfNSW data and applying some transformation on it to the
OSM schema and plan on using that, then please post first so we can do a
review to make sure there are no issues.

Technically we only have permission to use TfNSW's open data, so if you
need help with the GTFS feed to visualise routes I can try.

I would eventually like to see a semi-automated process to import bus
stops, I just don't have the time now, but I can review plans if someone
else wanted to.


> 2. Depending on the answer to the above, do we need to add TfNSW to the
> List of Conributors in the wiki?  and does the waiver need to published in
> the wiki?
>

Yes, if the data is used in OpenStreetMap, per the waiver agreement we need
to add attribution at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data,
specifying which dataset we used and providing the attribution.

The waiver is already published to the wiki at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:TfNSW_OSM_CCBY_Signed_Waiver.pdf
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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[cleary]

Some Sydney bus routes have changed and I have modified a few by survey 
(catching buses and recording routes and stops).  Using TfNSW data would be 
much easier.

1. Can I use the TfNSW data now to modify/add some local bus routes or do we 
need to await discussion and an agreed import plan?
2. Depending on the answer to the above, do we need to add TfNSW to the List of 
Conributors in the wiki?  and does the waiver need to published in the wiki?







On Thu, 30 Jan 2020, at 5:59 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> We just received the CC BY waiver from TfNSW. That includes their GTFS 
> feed (transport routes and stops), cycle network data, boat rames 
> (those seem more directly useful to OSM).
> 
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 11:42, Runarsson, Sigurjon 
>  wrote:
> > Hi Sebastian,
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > Currently we are mostly focusing on A to B trip planning for public 
> > transport modes including walking. So our main focus atm is to enhance the 
> > data around interchanges i.e. stations layouts to support routing indoors 
> > as well as outdoors. Saying that, we are determined to contribute to all 
> > attributes within the osm database based on internal and external 
> > feedback.
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > Guidelines – I would say that we need more assistance/guidance from the osm 
> > users like yourself in most instances:) but yes we would contribute in 
> > discussion and wiki if needed. 
> 
> > Based on discussion that I have had internally for the last few days we 
> > feel that making the data available in osm by importing and regularly 
> > maintain the data like bus stops is the way to go rather than telling the 
> > users how to map ie naming a bus stop. So based on that we are now actively 
> > working on getting approval for a waiver signed for bus stops in particular 
> > so we can proceed. If successful, more datasets would follow. 
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > Maybe discussion for later date but I feel that other datasets like suburbs 
> > and address data could be updated (bulk import) into osm on regular basis 
> > as more and more consumers are directly taking the osm database into their 
> > products. Hopefully we can get waivers signed and go down that path.
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > I will keep you posted with any developments on the waiver(s). In the 
> > meantime please let us know if you have specific questions related to 
> > public transport.
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > Defiantly interested in regular local meetups. Unfortunately cannot make 
> > the 30 March.
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > Regards,____
> 
> > Sigurjon____
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > *From:* Seb Mapping [mailto:mapp...@consebt.de] 
> > *Sent:* Friday, 15 March 2019 4:14 PM
> > *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Runarsson, Sigurjon; 
> > talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)
> 
> > __ __
> 
> > Hi Sigurjon,
> >  Welcome and thanks for reaching out.
> >  I like that you set up the wiki page to tell us how you use OSM. What I'm 
> > wondering is, are there rules, key topics etc TfNSW or better your group is 
> > focusing on in their contributions?
> > 
> >  Would you be interested to provide or document in the wiki mapping 
> > examples for e.g. bus stops?
> > 
> >  Regards Sebastian
> >  PS: you might be interested in local meet ups, see other thread.
> 
> > On 14 March 2019 8:53:16 am AEDT, "Runarsson, Sigurjon" 
> >  wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> 
> > 
> 
> > My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data 
> > Services team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the many 
> > digital products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole. The team 
> > are responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with an emphasis 
> > on quality and efficiency.
> 
> > 
> 
> > The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve 
> > OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW Trip 
> > Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, through 
> > review and updates that are identified as part of their wide reaching 
> > day-to-day activities, feedback from their extensive network of 
> > customer/public facing channels, and other TfNSW internal stakeholders.
> 
> > 
> 
> > You can find further information on our wiki page 
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW

Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Warin]

On 30/1/20 4:59 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote:
We just received the CC BY waiver from TfNSW. That includes their GTFS 
feed (transport routes and stops), cycle network data, boat rames 
(those seem more directly useful to OSM).



Wowhoo ...

So much to map... have not even finished the LPI data ...



On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 11:42, Runarsson, Sigurjon 
<mailto:sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au>> wrote:


Hi Sebastian,

Currently we are mostly focusing on A to B trip planning for
public transport modes including walking.  So our main focus atm
is to enhance the data  around interchanges i.e. stations layouts
to support routing indoors as well as outdoors.  Saying that, we
are determined to contribute to all attributes within the osm
database based on internal and external feedback.

Guidelines – I would say that  we need more assistance/guidance
from the osm users like yourself in most instances:)  but  yes we
would contribute in discussion and wiki if needed.

Based on discussion that I have had internally for the last few
days we feel that making the data available in osm by importing
and regularly maintain the data like bus stops is the way to go
rather than telling the users how to map ie naming  a bus stop. 
So based on that we are now actively working on getting approval
for a waiver signed for bus stops in particular so we can
proceed.  If successful, more datasets would follow.

Maybe discussion for later date but I feel that other datasets
like suburbs and address data could be updated (bulk import) into
osm on regular basis as more and more consumers are directly
taking the osm database into their products.  Hopefully we can get
waivers signed and go down that path.

I will keep you posted with any developments on the waiver(s).  In
the meantime please let us know if you have specific questions
related to public transport.

Defiantly interested in regular local meetups.  Unfortunately
cannot make the 30 March.

Regards,

Sigurjon

*From:*Seb Mapping [mailto:mapp...@consebt.de
<mailto:mapp...@consebt.de>]
*Sent:* Friday, 15 March 2019 4:14 PM
*To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>; Runarsson, Sigurjon;
talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
    *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

Hi Sigurjon,
Welcome and thanks for reaching out.
I like that you set up the wiki page to tell us how you use OSM.
What I'm wondering is, are there rules, key topics etc TfNSW or
better your group is focusing on in their contributions?

Would you be interested to provide or document in the wiki mapping
examples for e.g. bus stops?

Regards Sebastian
PS: you might be interested in local meet ups, see other thread.

On 14 March 2019 8:53:16 am AEDT, "Runarsson, Sigurjon"
mailto:sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au>> wrote:

Hi all,

My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW)
Data Services team which is a small but dedicated group which
underpin the many digital products and projects that form part of
TfNSW as a whole. The team are responsible for sourcing, managing
and providing data with an emphasis on quality and efficiency.

The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve
OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the
TfNSW Trip Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end
of 2018, through review and updates that are identified as part of
their wide reaching day-to-day activities, feedback from their
extensive network of customer/public facing channels, and other
TfNSW internal stakeholders.

You can find further information on our wiki
pagehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW

Please don’t hesitate to contact me
onsigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au

<mailto:sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au>,https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11or
use our group mailbox and another member of the team will
endeavour to help you:timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au
<mailto:timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au>

Thanks,

Sigurjon

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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Sigurjon Runarsson]

Very pleased that this has finally come through…hopefully many more to come.



From: Andrew Harvey [mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 4:59 PM
To: Sigurjon Runarsson 
Cc: Seb Mapping ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

We just received the CC BY waiver from TfNSW. That includes their GTFS feed 
(transport routes and stops), cycle network data, boat rames (those seem more 
directly useful to OSM).

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 11:42, Runarsson, Sigurjon 
mailto:sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au>>
 wrote:
Hi Sebastian,

Currently we are mostly focusing on A to B trip planning for public transport 
modes including walking.  So our main focus atm is to enhance the data  around 
interchanges i.e. stations layouts to support routing indoors as well as 
outdoors.  Saying that, we are determined to contribute to all attributes 
within the osm database based on internal and external feedback.

Guidelines – I would say that  we need more assistance/guidance from the osm 
users like yourself in most instances:)  but  yes we would contribute in 
discussion and wiki if needed.
Based on discussion that I have had internally for the last few days we feel 
that making the data available in osm by importing and regularly maintain the 
data  like bus stops is the way to go rather than telling the users how to map 
ie naming  a bus stop.  So based on that we are now actively working on getting 
approval for a waiver signed for bus stops in particular so we can proceed.  If 
successful, more datasets would follow.

Maybe discussion for later date but I feel that other datasets like suburbs and 
address data could be updated (bulk import) into osm on regular basis as more 
and more consumers are directly taking the osm database into their products.  
Hopefully we can get waivers signed and go down that path.

I will keep you posted with any developments on the waiver(s).  In the meantime 
please let us know if you have specific questions related to public transport.


Defiantly interested in regular local meetups.  Unfortunately cannot make the 
30 March.


Regards,
Sigurjon



From: Seb Mapping [mailto:mapp...@consebt.de<mailto:mapp...@consebt.de>]
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2019 4:14 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>; Runarsson, 
Sigurjon; talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

Hi Sigurjon,
Welcome and thanks for reaching out.
I like that you set up the wiki page to tell us how you use OSM. What I'm 
wondering is, are there rules, key topics etc TfNSW or better your group is 
focusing on in their contributions?

Would you be interested to provide or document in the wiki mapping examples for 
e.g. bus stops?

Regards Sebastian
PS: you might be interested in local meet ups, see other thread.
On 14 March 2019 8:53:16 am AEDT, "Runarsson, Sigurjon" 
mailto:sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au>>
 wrote:
Hi all,

My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data Services 
team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the many digital 
products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole. The team are 
responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with an emphasis on 
quality and efficiency.

The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve OpenStreetMap, 
which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW Trip Planner 
(https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, through review and 
updates that are identified as part of their wide reaching day-to-day 
activities, feedback from their extensive network of customer/public facing 
channels, and other TfNSW internal stakeholders.

You can find further information on our wiki page 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW

Please don’t hesitate to contact me on 
sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au<mailto:sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au>,
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11 or use our group mailbox and 
another member of the team will endeavour to help you: 
timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au<mailto:timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au>


Thanks,

Sigurjon


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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Andrew Harvey]

We just received the CC BY waiver from TfNSW. That includes their GTFS feed
(transport routes and stops), cycle network data, boat rames (those seem
more directly useful to OSM).

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 11:42, Runarsson, Sigurjon <
sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au> wrote:

> Hi Sebastian,
>
>
>
> Currently we are mostly focusing on A to B trip planning for public
> transport modes including walking.  So our main focus atm is to enhance the
> data  around interchanges i.e. stations layouts to support routing indoors
> as well as outdoors.  Saying that, we are determined to contribute to all
> attributes within the osm database based on internal and external feedback.
>
>
>
> Guidelines – I would say that  we need more assistance/guidance from the
> osm users like yourself in most instances:)  but  yes we would contribute
> in discussion and wiki if needed.
>
> Based on discussion that I have had internally for the last few days we
> feel that making the data available in osm by importing and regularly
> maintain the data  like bus stops is the way to go rather than telling the
> users how to map ie naming  a bus stop.  So based on that we are now
> actively working on getting approval for a waiver signed for bus stops in
> particular so we can proceed.  If successful, more datasets would follow.
>
>
>
> Maybe discussion for later date but I feel that other datasets like
> suburbs and address data could be updated (bulk import) into osm on regular
> basis as more and more consumers are directly taking the osm database into
> their products.  Hopefully we can get waivers signed and go down that path.
>
>
>
> I will keep you posted with any developments on the waiver(s).  In the
> meantime please let us know if you have specific questions related to
> public transport.
>
>
>
>
>
> Defiantly interested in regular local meetups.  Unfortunately cannot make
> the 30 March.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sigurjon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Seb Mapping [mailto:mapp...@consebt.de]
> *Sent:* Friday, 15 March 2019 4:14 PM
> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Runarsson, Sigurjon;
> talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)
>
>
>
> Hi Sigurjon,
> Welcome and thanks for reaching out.
> I like that you set up the wiki page to tell us how you use OSM. What I'm
> wondering is, are there rules, key topics etc TfNSW or better your group is
> focusing on in their contributions?
>
> Would you be interested to provide or document in the wiki mapping
> examples for e.g. bus stops?
>
> Regards Sebastian
> PS: you might be interested in local meet ups, see other thread.
>
> On 14 March 2019 8:53:16 am AEDT, "Runarsson, Sigurjon" <
> sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data
> Services team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the many
> digital products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole. The team
> are responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with an emphasis
> on quality and efficiency.
>
>
>
> The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve
> OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW Trip
> Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, through
> review and updates that are identified as part of their wide reaching
> day-to-day activities, feedback from their extensive network of
> customer/public facing channels, and other TfNSW internal stakeholders.
>
>
>
> You can find further information on our wiki page
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW
>
>
>
> Please don’t hesitate to contact me on
> sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au,
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11 or use our group mailbox
> and another member of the team will endeavour to help you:
> timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Sigurjon
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Sigurjon Runarsson]

That’s great Andrew.  Sounds strange but now that we have better access we are 
also going out to validate stations during next coming days to update osm.

Sigurjon

From: Andrew Harvey [mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 12:03 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

I did a Mapillary survey yesterday (will upload later this week) and have been 
updating OSM around the stations, some areas were still marked in construction 
or access=no when this wasn't the case. The stations certainly aren't complete 
in OSM yet, they can still be mapped in more detail with respect to indoors and 
the surface footway network as well.

On Sun, 26 May 2019 at 15:54, Warin 
<61sundow...@gmail.com<mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sydney driver-less trains Tallawong to Chatswood now 'running' (read public 
alpha testers) with a few teething problems.

I'll be staying away for a week to let things settle.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-26/sydney-metro-driverless-train-opens-but-delays-occur/11150794




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[Andrew Harvey]

I did a Mapillary survey yesterday (will upload later this week) and have
been updating OSM around the stations, some areas were still marked in
construction or access=no when this wasn't the case. The stations certainly
aren't complete in OSM yet, they can still be mapped in more detail with
respect to indoors and the surface footway network as well.

On Sun, 26 May 2019 at 15:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sydney driver-less trains Tallawong to Chatswood now 'running' (read
> public alpha testers) with a few teething problems.
>
> I'll be staying away for a week to let things settle.
>
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-26/sydney-metro-driverless-train-opens-but-delays-occur/11150794
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[Warin]

Sydney driver-less trains Tallawong to Chatswood now 'running' (read public 
alpha testers) with a few teething problems.

I'll be staying away for a week to let things settle.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-26/sydney-metro-driverless-train-opens-but-delays-occur/11150794




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On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 11:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This one failed - unordered gap. I have repaired it.. good enough to be
> usable.
>
> Possibly the trains will not change to the other platform at Tallawong
> where they terminate, but for the moment in OSM they do. This will become
> clear when they start operating.
>

Thanks Warin. Yes I was unsure exactly which platform will be used at
Tallawong too. We can wait and see, but likely both will be used. The PT
schema doesn't like multiple options for the route, it wants a single
continuous route, so not sure the best approach...

> A lot of the roads around the new stations are still tagged construction,
> let's try to keep a close eye on them opening up to the public.
>
>
> If you change the tags from highway=construction, teh tag construction=*
> should be removed .. leaving it there causes confusion.
>

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[Warin]

On 15/04/19 18:21, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Signage is up, platforms are open. In order to have our data ready and 
useful for customers from day one I've changed the rail related 
features to no longer in construction and added an opening_date tag so 
data consumers know if opened yet or not (OpenStreetBrowser uses this 
tag).


Master route relation for the line
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9487066

Then two routes, one for each direction
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8631621

This one passes OSMInspector tests.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9470134


This one failed - unordered gap. I have repaired it.. good enough to be 
usable.


Possibly the trains will not change to the other platform at Tallawong 
where they terminate, but for the moment in OSM they do. This will 
become clear when they start operating.




A lot of the roads around the new stations are still tagged 
construction, let's try to keep a close eye on them opening up to the 
public.


If you change the tags from highway=construction, teh tag construction=* 
should be removed .. leaving it there causes confusion.



On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 17:46, Andrew Harvey > wrote:


Testing has already commenced for a while now, just the other day
I saw the metro train come into Chatswood, then leave again. It's
hard to justify the tracks themselves being in construction when
trains are running... In fact I used this justification to change
the lines over, but keen to change over the stations.


https://7news.com.au/politics/nsw/sydney-to-unveil-first-line-of-brand-new-metro-network-after-seven-years-of-work-c-42494
 says
to open within a month.

https://twitter.com/kypros1992/status/1113210299551690752 says May
5th.

With the opening_date key, even if it gets pushed back we can just
revise the date. I'm still in the camp that stations and lines can
be out of construction even if there are no scheduled services
running yet.

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 16:40, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
> wrote:

On 09/04/19 10:13, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> I know TfNSW will not be able to confirm, but rumour out
there is the
> Metro will start operating early May.
>
> Given this, and that many OSM data consumers rely on offline
extracts,
> and given it's accepted practice to only mark things as
construction
> when they span months, I'd like to start migrating the tags
for the
> Metro over from construction to operational, adding in
provisional
> opening_date
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Yes/no?

How reliable is this 'rumour'?

Possibly the 'rumour' is when testing will commence.. rather than
regular customer operations?
Report in Aug 2018 said no earlier than 5 th May... so it is
possible.

There .. having said all that it is now certain to start early
May:))
Despite that.. I'd not add it until we have official
confirmation...
don't want to jinx it.






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[Andrew Harvey]

Signage is up, platforms are open. In order to have our data ready and
useful for customers from day one I've changed the rail related features to
no longer in construction and added an opening_date tag so data consumers
know if opened yet or not (OpenStreetBrowser uses this tag).

Master route relation for the line
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9487066

Then two routes, one for each direction
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8631621
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9470134

A lot of the roads around the new stations are still tagged construction,
let's try to keep a close eye on them opening up to the public.


On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 17:46, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

> Testing has already commenced for a while now, just the other day I saw
> the metro train come into Chatswood, then leave again. It's hard to justify
> the tracks themselves being in construction when trains are running... In
> fact I used this justification to change the lines over, but keen to change
> over the stations.
>
>
> https://7news.com.au/politics/nsw/sydney-to-unveil-first-line-of-brand-new-metro-network-after-seven-years-of-work-c-42494
>  says
> to open within a month.
>
> https://twitter.com/kypros1992/status/1113210299551690752 says May 5th.
>
> With the opening_date key, even if it gets pushed back we can just revise
> the date. I'm still in the camp that stations and lines can be out of
> construction even if there are no scheduled services running yet.
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 16:40, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/04/19 10:13, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>> > I know TfNSW will not be able to confirm, but rumour out there is the
>> > Metro will start operating early May.
>> >
>> > Given this, and that many OSM data consumers rely on offline extracts,
>> > and given it's accepted practice to only mark things as construction
>> > when they span months, I'd like to start migrating the tags for the
>> > Metro over from construction to operational, adding in provisional
>> > opening_date https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Yes/no?
>>
>> How reliable is this 'rumour'?
>>
>> Possibly the 'rumour' is when testing will commence.. rather than
>> regular customer operations?
>> Report in Aug 2018 said no earlier than 5 th May... so it is possible.
>>
>> There .. having said all that it is now certain to start early May:))
>> Despite that.. I'd not add it until we have official confirmation...
>> don't want to jinx it.
>>
>>
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[Andrew Harvey]

Testing has already commenced for a while now, just the other day I saw the
metro train come into Chatswood, then leave again. It's hard to justify the
tracks themselves being in construction when trains are running... In fact
I used this justification to change the lines over, but keen to change over
the stations.

https://7news.com.au/politics/nsw/sydney-to-unveil-first-line-of-brand-new-metro-network-after-seven-years-of-work-c-42494
says
to open within a month.

https://twitter.com/kypros1992/status/1113210299551690752 says May 5th.

With the opening_date key, even if it gets pushed back we can just revise
the date. I'm still in the camp that stations and lines can be out of
construction even if there are no scheduled services running yet.

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 16:40, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09/04/19 10:13, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> > I know TfNSW will not be able to confirm, but rumour out there is the
> > Metro will start operating early May.
> >
> > Given this, and that many OSM data consumers rely on offline extracts,
> > and given it's accepted practice to only mark things as construction
> > when they span months, I'd like to start migrating the tags for the
> > Metro over from construction to operational, adding in provisional
> > opening_date https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Yes/no?
>
> How reliable is this 'rumour'?
>
> Possibly the 'rumour' is when testing will commence.. rather than
> regular customer operations?
> Report in Aug 2018 said no earlier than 5 th May... so it is possible.
>
> There .. having said all that it is now certain to start early May:))
> Despite that.. I'd not add it until we have official confirmation...
> don't want to jinx it.
>
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[Warin]

On 09/04/19 10:13, Andrew Harvey wrote:
I know TfNSW will not be able to confirm, but rumour out there is the 
Metro will start operating early May.


Given this, and that many OSM data consumers rely on offline extracts, 
and given it's accepted practice to only mark things as construction 
when they span months, I'd like to start migrating the tags for the 
Metro over from construction to operational, adding in provisional 
opening_date https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date


Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Yes/no?


How reliable is this 'rumour'?

Possibly the 'rumour' is when testing will commence.. rather than 
regular customer operations?

Report in Aug 2018 said no earlier than 5 th May... so it is possible.

There .. having said all that it is now certain to start early May:))
Despite that.. I'd not add it until we have official confirmation... 
don't want to jinx it.






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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Andrew Harvey]

I know TfNSW will not be able to confirm, but rumour out there is the Metro
will start operating early May.

Given this, and that many OSM data consumers rely on offline extracts, and
given it's accepted practice to only mark things as construction when they
span months, I'd like to start migrating the tags for the Metro over from
construction to operational, adding in provisional opening_date
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Yes/no?

On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 08:55, Runarsson, Sigurjon <
sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data
> Services team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the many
> digital products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole. The team
> are responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with an emphasis
> on quality and efficiency.
>
>
>
> The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve
> OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW Trip
> Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, through
> review and updates that are identified as part of their wide reaching
> day-to-day activities, feedback from their extensive network of
> customer/public facing channels, and other TfNSW internal stakeholders.
>
>
>
> You can find further information on our wiki page
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW
>
>
>
> Please don’t hesitate to contact me on
> sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au,
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11 or use our group mailbox
> and another member of the team will endeavour to help you:
> timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Sigurjon
>
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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Dion Moult]

Hi Sigurjon!

Welcome to talk-au OSM! Really happy to see TfNSW involvement!

David and I are doing the NSW address import in our spare time here and there 
:) Always happy for more people to join. 
https://gitlab.com/dionmoult/osm-nsw-address-import

It'd be good if you could join the meetup to say hi - you can mark yourself as 
"not attending" but at least then you will be on the list so I can send updates 
when there is another meetup: 
https://gettogether.community/events/1001/sydney-osm-mappers/

Dion Moult

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, 19 March 2019 11:41 AM, Runarsson, Sigurjon 
 wrote:

> Hi Sebastian,
>
> Currently we are mostly focusing on A to B trip planning for public transport 
> modes including walking.  So our main focus atm is to enhance the data  
> around interchanges i.e. stations layouts to support routing indoors as well 
> as outdoors.  Saying that, we are determined to contribute to all attributes 
> within the osm database based on internal and external feedback.
>
> Guidelines – I would say that  we need more assistance/guidance from the osm 
> users like yourself in most instances:)  but  yes we would contribute in 
> discussion and wiki if needed.
>
> Based on discussion that I have had internally for the last few days we feel 
> that making the data available in osm by importing and regularly maintain the 
> data  like bus stops is the way to go rather than telling the users how to 
> map ie naming  a bus stop.  So based on that we are now actively working on 
> getting approval for a waiver signed for bus stops in particular so we can 
> proceed.  If successful, more datasets would follow.
>
> Maybe discussion for later date but I feel that other datasets like suburbs 
> and address data could be updated (bulk import) into osm on regular basis as 
> more and more consumers are directly taking the osm database into their 
> products.  Hopefully we can get waivers signed and go down that path.
>
> I will keep you posted with any developments on the waiver(s).  In the 
> meantime please let us know if you have specific questions related to public 
> transport.
>
> Defiantly interested in regular local meetups.  Unfortunately cannot make the 
> 30 March.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sigurjon
>
> From: Seb Mapping [mailto:mapp...@consebt.de]
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2019 4:14 PM
> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Runarsson, Sigurjon; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)
>
> Hi Sigurjon,
> Welcome and thanks for reaching out.
> I like that you set up the wiki page to tell us how you use OSM. What I'm 
> wondering is, are there rules, key topics etc TfNSW or better your group is 
> focusing on in their contributions?
>
> Would you be interested to provide or document in the wiki mapping examples 
> for e.g. bus stops?
>
> Regards Sebastian
> PS: you might be interested in local meet ups, see other thread.
>
> On 14 March 2019 8:53:16 am AEDT, "Runarsson, Sigurjon" 
>  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data 
> Services team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the many 
> digital products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole. The team 
> are responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with an emphasis on 
> quality and efficiency.
>
> The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve 
> OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW Trip 
> Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, through 
> review and updates that are identified as part of their wide reaching 
> day-to-day activities, feedback from their extensive network of 
> customer/public facing channels, and other TfNSW internal stakeholders.
>
> You can find further information on our wiki page 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW
>
> Please don’t hesitate to contact me on 
> sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au, 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11 or use our group mailbox and 
> another member of the team will endeavour to help you: 
> timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sigurjon
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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Runarsson, Sigurjon]

Hi Sebastian,

Currently we are mostly focusing on A to B trip planning for public transport 
modes including walking.  So our main focus atm is to enhance the data  around 
interchanges i.e. stations layouts to support routing indoors as well as 
outdoors.  Saying that, we are determined to contribute to all attributes 
within the osm database based on internal and external feedback.

Guidelines – I would say that  we need more assistance/guidance from the osm 
users like yourself in most instances:)  but  yes we would contribute in 
discussion and wiki if needed.
Based on discussion that I have had internally for the last few days we feel 
that making the data available in osm by importing and regularly maintain the 
data  like bus stops is the way to go rather than telling the users how to map 
ie naming  a bus stop.  So based on that we are now actively working on getting 
approval for a waiver signed for bus stops in particular so we can proceed.  If 
successful, more datasets would follow.

Maybe discussion for later date but I feel that other datasets like suburbs and 
address data could be updated (bulk import) into osm on regular basis as more 
and more consumers are directly taking the osm database into their products.  
Hopefully we can get waivers signed and go down that path.

I will keep you posted with any developments on the waiver(s).  In the meantime 
please let us know if you have specific questions related to public transport.


Defiantly interested in regular local meetups.  Unfortunately cannot make the 
30 March.


Regards,
Sigurjon



From: Seb Mapping [mailto:mapp...@consebt.de]
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2019 4:14 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Runarsson, Sigurjon; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

Hi Sigurjon,
Welcome and thanks for reaching out.
I like that you set up the wiki page to tell us how you use OSM. What I'm 
wondering is, are there rules, key topics etc TfNSW or better your group is 
focusing on in their contributions?

Would you be interested to provide or document in the wiki mapping examples for 
e.g. bus stops?

Regards Sebastian
PS: you might be interested in local meet ups, see other thread.
On 14 March 2019 8:53:16 am AEDT, "Runarsson, Sigurjon" 
 wrote:
Hi all,

My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data Services 
team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the many digital 
products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole. The team are 
responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with an emphasis on 
quality and efficiency.

The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve OpenStreetMap, 
which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW Trip Planner 
(https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, through review and 
updates that are identified as part of their wide reaching day-to-day 
activities, feedback from their extensive network of customer/public facing 
channels, and other TfNSW internal stakeholders.

You can find further information on our wiki page 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW

Please don’t hesitate to contact me on 
sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au<mailto:sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au>,
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11 or use our group mailbox and 
another member of the team will endeavour to help you: 
timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au<mailto:timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au>


Thanks,

Sigurjon


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[Warin]

I wish you and us all good luck with that waver endeavour.



On 15/03/19 15:55, Runarsson, Sigurjon wrote:


It is great to have joined the au list!

Warin is correct in that CC by 4.0 licence does not allow data to be 
added to OSM but as for our team we are going to be pushing for waver 
on datasets particular related to trip planning.  That would include 
the transit stops and gtfs data.


We will of course keep you informed on any developments.

Cheers,

Sigurjon

*From:*Warin [mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, 14 March 2019 5:56 PM
*To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

On 14/03/19 16:17, cleary wrote:

As a supporter of OSM and a regular user of NSW public transport,
I am pleased to see this development.

I have a question in regard to use of TfNSW data in OSM. At the
moment the list of data sources on the Contributors page in the
OSM wiki does not include TfNSW data as an approved source.

(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data)

<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data>
If you represent the owners of the data, I presume there is no
copyright issue with any data you add to OSM.  I am interested in
using NSW Transport data for (1) sourcing bus stop numbers and (2)
identifying rural railway stations which continue to offer
services as distinct from those that are now un-used.  I am unsure
of the copyright restrictions on TfNSW data.  Is it possible for
your branch to obtain/grant approval for OSM editors to use TfNSW
data and have this information added to the Contributors page of
the wiki?


Probably a different section. And the government may be in 'caretaker 
mode' so things are unlikely to occur between now and the end of the 
state election.


CC by 4.0 copyright does not let OSM use it... see 
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/


If OSM obtains a specific waver then it may be possible to do a bulk 
import of data into OSM using GTFS?


The GTFS stuff is preferable as it avoids human errors (though open to 
software errors) and can be updated very rapidly.


Anyway - welcome to the Au talking list 'hand of God'.


On Thu, 14 Mar 2019, at 8:55 AM, Runarsson, Sigurjon wrote:

Hi all,

My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW)
Data Services team which is a small but dedicated group which
underpin the many digital products and projects that form part of
TfNSW as a whole. The team are responsible for sourcing, managing
and providing data with an emphasis on quality and efficiency.

The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve
OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the
TfNSW Trip Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end
of 2018, through review and updates that are identified as part of
their wide reaching day-to-day activities, feedback from their
extensive network of customer/public facing channels, and other
TfNSW internal stakeholders.

You can find further information on our wiki
pagehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW

Please don’t hesitate to contact me
onsigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au

<mailto:sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au>,https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11or
use our group mailbox and another member of the team will
endeavour to help you:timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au
<mailto:timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au>

Thanks,

Sigurjon



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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Seb Mapping]

Hi Sigurjon,
Welcome and thanks for reaching out.
I like that you set up the wiki page to tell us how you use OSM. What I'm 
wondering is, are there rules, key topics etc TfNSW or better your group is 
focusing on in their contributions?

Would you be interested to provide or document in the wiki mapping examples for 
e.g. bus stops?

Regards Sebastian
PS: you might be interested in local meet ups, see other thread.

On 14 March 2019 8:53:16 am AEDT, "Runarsson, Sigurjon" 
 wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data
>Services team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the
>many digital products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole.
>The team are responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with
>an emphasis on quality and efficiency.
>
>The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve
>OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW
>Trip Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018,
>through review and updates that are identified as part of their wide
>reaching day-to-day activities, feedback from their extensive network
>of customer/public facing channels, and other TfNSW internal
>stakeholders.
>
>You can find further information on our wiki page
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW
>
>Please don't hesitate to contact me on
>sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au,
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11 or use our group mailbox
>and another member of the team will endeavour to help you:
>timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sigurjon
>
>
>This email is intended only for the addressee and may contain
>confidential information. If you receive this email in error please
>delete it and any attachments and notify the sender immediately by
>reply email. Transport for NSW takes all care to ensure that
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>assume no liability for any loss, damage or other consequences which
>may arise from opening or using an attachment.
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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Runarsson, Sigurjon]

It is great to have joined the au list!

Warin is correct in that CC by 4.0 licence does not allow data to be added to 
OSM but as for our team we are going to be pushing for waver on datasets 
particular related to trip planning.  That would include the transit stops and 
gtfs data.
We will of course keep you informed on any developments.

Cheers,
Sigurjon






From: Warin [mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2019 5:56 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

On 14/03/19 16:17, cleary wrote:
As a supporter of OSM and a regular user of NSW public transport, I am pleased 
to see this development.

I have a question in regard to use of TfNSW data in OSM. At the moment the list 
of data sources on the Contributors page in the OSM wiki does not include TfNSW 
data as an approved source. 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data)<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data>
If you represent the owners of the data, I presume there is no copyright 
issue with any data you add to OSM.  I am interested in using NSW Transport 
data for (1) sourcing bus stop numbers and (2) identifying rural railway 
stations which continue to offer services as distinct from those that are now 
un-used.  I am unsure of the copyright restrictions on TfNSW data.  Is it 
possible for your branch to obtain/grant approval for OSM editors to use TfNSW 
data and have this information added to the Contributors page of the wiki?

Probably a different section. And the government may be in 'caretaker mode' so 
things are unlikely to occur between now and the end of the state election.

CC by 4.0 copyright does not let OSM use it... see 
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/

If OSM obtains a specific waver then it may be possible to do a bulk import of 
data into OSM using GTFS?

The GTFS stuff is preferable as it avoids human errors (though open to software 
errors) and can be updated very rapidly.

Anyway - welcome to the Au talking list 'hand of God'.







On Thu, 14 Mar 2019, at 8:55 AM, Runarsson, Sigurjon wrote:

Hi all,



My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data Services 
team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the many digital 
products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole. The team are 
responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with an emphasis on 
quality and efficiency.



The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve OpenStreetMap, 
which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW Trip Planner 
(https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, through review and 
updates that are identified as part of their wide reaching day-to-day 
activities, feedback from their extensive network of customer/public facing 
channels, and other TfNSW internal stakeholders.



You can find further information on our wiki page 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW



Please don’t hesitate to contact me on 
sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au<mailto:sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au>,
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11 or use our group mailbox and 
another member of the team will endeavour to help you: 
timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au<mailto:timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au>





Thanks,



Sigurjon



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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Warin]

On 14/03/19 16:17, cleary wrote:
As a supporter of OSM and a regular user of NSW public transport, I am 
pleased to see this development.


I have a question in regard to use of TfNSW data in OSM. At the moment 
the list of data sources on the Contributors page in the OSM wiki does 
not include TfNSW data as an approved source. 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Government_data) 
 
If you represent the owners of the data, I presume there is no 
copyright issue with any data you add to OSM.  I am interested in 
using NSW Transport data for (1) sourcing bus stop numbers and (2) 
identifying rural railway stations which continue to offer services as 
distinct from those that are now un-used.  I am unsure of the 
copyright restrictions on TfNSW data.  Is it possible for your branch 
to obtain/grant approval for OSM editors to use TfNSW data and have 
this information added to the Contributors page of the wiki?


Probably a different section. And the government may be in 'caretaker 
mode' so things are unlikely to occur between now and the end of the 
state election.


CC by 4.0 copyright does not let OSM use it... see 
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/


If OSM obtains a specific waver then it may be possible to do a bulk 
import of data into OSM using GTFS?


The GTFS stuff is preferable as it avoids human errors (though open to 
software errors) and can be updated very rapidly.


Anyway - welcome to the Au talking list 'hand of God'.







On Thu, 14 Mar 2019, at 8:55 AM, Runarsson, Sigurjon wrote:


Hi all,


My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data 
Services team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the 
many digital products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a 
whole. The team are responsible for sourcing, managing and providing 
data with an emphasis on quality and efficiency.



The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve 
OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW 
Trip Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, 
through review and updates that are identified as part of their wide 
reaching day-to-day activities, feedback from their extensive network 
of customer/public facing channels, and other TfNSW internal 
stakeholders.



You can find further information on our wiki 
pagehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW



Please don’t hesitate to contact me 
onsigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au 
,https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11or 
use our group mailbox and another member of the team will endeavour 
to help you:timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au 





Thanks,


Sigurjon


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Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Andrew Harvey]

Welcome!

On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 08:55, Runarsson, Sigurjon <
sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> My name is Sigurjon and I work for the Transport for NSW (TfNSW) Data
> Services team which is a small but dedicated group which underpin the many
> digital products and projects that form part of TfNSW as a whole. The team
> are responsible for sourcing, managing and providing data with an emphasis
> on quality and efficiency.
>
>
>
> The TfNSW Data Services team aim to contribute and help improve
> OpenStreetMap, which we started to use in our products like the TfNSW Trip
> Planner (https://transportnsw.info/trip#/) from the end of 2018, through
> review and updates that are identified as part of their wide reaching
> day-to-day activities, feedback from their extensive network of
> customer/public facing channels, and other TfNSW internal stakeholders.
>
>
>
> You can find further information on our wiki page
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW
>
>
>
> Please don’t hesitate to contact me on
> sigurjon.runars...@transport.nsw.gov.au,
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maradona11 or use our group mailbox
> and another member of the team will endeavour to help you:
> timeta...@transport.nsw.gov.au
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Sigurjon
>
>
>
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