Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
I think it is this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsf4OxUDS44 It seems very simple. Maybe I'll go in this direction. Thanks a lot. Marc On 16 March 2015 at 23:41, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: The only one I can think of is Maperitive. There is also this article on QGIS that I should still read: https://twitter.com/martinstabe/status/573893617909108737 Jo 2015-03-16 23:21 GMT+01:00 Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com: Yes this is really nice to see the bicycle tags on a slippy map. We can present it during the mapping party. But ideally I'll want to have a tool for creating PNG / PDF image for OSM with a nice presentation of the bicycle tags. Do you know such a tool ? Marc On 8 March 2015 at 21:53, Marc Zoutendijk marczoutend...@mac.com wrote: Op 8 mrt. 2015, om 21:41 heeft Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: A french cyclist association create this map : http://bicyclette69.free.fr/carte/carte.html. This map is really nice. But I think they use maperitive which is proprietary. For me, that site is not working at all. It responds to no click whatsoever. This site does the job quiet well: http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfietser/fiets/?map=cyclewayszoom=14lat=45.75156lon=4.86038layers=B0TFF And it has a lot of useful options. Marc. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- et en avant pour de folles aventures... ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- et en avant pour de folles aventures... ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
The only one I can think of is Maperitive. There is also this article on QGIS that I should still read: https://twitter.com/martinstabe/status/573893617909108737 Jo 2015-03-16 23:21 GMT+01:00 Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com: Yes this is really nice to see the bicycle tags on a slippy map. We can present it during the mapping party. But ideally I'll want to have a tool for creating PNG / PDF image for OSM with a nice presentation of the bicycle tags. Do you know such a tool ? Marc On 8 March 2015 at 21:53, Marc Zoutendijk marczoutend...@mac.com wrote: Op 8 mrt. 2015, om 21:41 heeft Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: A french cyclist association create this map : http://bicyclette69.free.fr/carte/carte.html. This map is really nice. But I think they use maperitive which is proprietary. For me, that site is not working at all. It responds to no click whatsoever. This site does the job quiet well: http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfietser/fiets/?map=cyclewayszoom=14lat=45.75156lon=4.86038layers=B0TFF And it has a lot of useful options. Marc. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- et en avant pour de folles aventures... ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
Yes this is really nice to see the bicycle tags on a slippy map. We can present it during the mapping party. But ideally I'll want to have a tool for creating PNG / PDF image for OSM with a nice presentation of the bicycle tags. Do you know such a tool ? Marc On 8 March 2015 at 21:53, Marc Zoutendijk marczoutend...@mac.com wrote: Op 8 mrt. 2015, om 21:41 heeft Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: A french cyclist association create this map : http://bicyclette69.free.fr/carte/carte.html. This map is really nice. But I think they use maperitive which is proprietary. For me, that site is not working at all. It responds to no click whatsoever. This site does the job quiet well: http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfietser/fiets/?map=cyclewayszoom=14lat=45.75156lon=4.86038layers=B0TFF And it has a lot of useful options. Marc. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- et en avant pour de folles aventures... ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
I'm organising a meetup in Leuven: https://www.couchsurfing.com/events/605667 Ben, can I also announce this on meetup.com and could you make me event host? So I can ask who is planning to eat à la carte. The venue needs to know this, if there are more than 12. The contribution for the venue is €25. So the €4 could be lower and it goes away if we consume for more than €100. Cheers, Jo 2015-03-08 21:53 GMT+01:00 Marc Zoutendijk marczoutend...@mac.com: Op 8 mrt. 2015, om 21:41 heeft Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: A french cyclist association create this map : http://bicyclette69.free.fr/carte/carte.html. This map is really nice. But I think they use maperitive which is proprietary. For me, that site is not working at all. It responds to no click whatsoever. This site does the job quiet well: http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfietser/fiets/?map=cyclewayszoom=14lat=45.75156lon=4.86038layers=B0TFF And it has a lot of useful options. Marc. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
Nicolas talk-be, On Mar 5, 2015 6:25 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be wrote: - Communication, for example, weekly OSM and managing the twitter-account/facebook group a bit better... ;-) Also a FR-speaking volunteer would help a lot. I volunteer for the French part. But I would very much like some active help and support. For example by Julien Fastré and/or marc Ducobu [en] For the WeeklyOSM part you are welcome to join the newly established French-speaking team and the global WeeklyOSM team if you want an editor/translator role. Or you can simply feed the WeeklyOSM team with news from your community. [fr] Pour participer à WeeklyOSM nous vous accueillons avec plaisir dans la récente équipe francophone pour participer à l'édition et/ou la traduction. Ou simplement vous pouvez transmettre à l'équipe WeeklyOSM les nouvelles de votre communauté. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
A french cyclist association create this map : http://bicyclette69.free.fr/carte/carte.html. This map is really nice. But I think they use maperitive which is proprietary. Why not create an XML mapnik style to have an equivalent map ? I think about starting with osm bright ( https://github.com/mapbox/osm-bright/ ) and adding cycling feature... I never do this but I think that we can use Tilemill ( https://www.mapbox.com/tilemill/ ) to create the carto css file that can be converted into the xml mapnik style. Proposing to cyclists a way to create easily a cycling map can attract a lot of persons. And the message is very simple : you like this map ? you want it for your city ? it is simple : encode (properly) the cycling infrastructure in OSM and you'll have the map. For the Gracq there exists a lot of local chapter ( http://www.gracq.be/GRACQ/006Contacts-002Locales ). I involve in the Mons chapter and the people of the chapter are very interested to discover OSM (and why not generate a map) and most of the people of the Gracq will go to the 25 Avril event as it is a training on a special subject. Marc On 7 March 2015 at 05:51, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be wrote: Hello, For April 25, we still need experienced mappers. For your information, a colleague of mine (Michel Willemse) who registered and will be present, is an active cyclist. He has already contacted Gracq, fietsersverbond ... GRACQ has reacted very positively ... but for the date : they already have a cyclist event in the very nearby parc de Bruxelles. Michel's idea is that, if the weather permit, instead or on top of doing some activities to start with and describe OSM, what can be done during the morning ... we (or at least some of us) do something similar at the Parc for the cyclist, leveraging the large number of cyclists who will be present for Gracsq's event. We could do so simply by preparing paper maps to fill and some printed papers to distribute stating where to download mapilliary / osmand (or the best OSM mapping tool), what to do ... I am thinking to a 1 page, simple to read, instructions. Yes, as Marc proposes, next time, we'll contact the walkers groups and maybe the people responsible for tourism in Brussels. We could also leverage them to better describe Brussels as a touristic place and map everything that could be touristically interessant and make links to descriptions (if possible text + sounds + videos) But this will be for another time. I am even considering that one activity that could become repetitive, with a short repeat time (if handled by the tourist authorities who pay a leader) would be guided tours of Brussels with mapping purposes. I am dreaming of tours every saturday morning for example, where walkers in the city would discover a new location in the city and at the same time map everything they encounter during the visit. Can you imagine what a good map we would hava after one year only ? With many information and on top, 52 guided tours on OSM. Have a good week end, Nicolas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- et en avant pour de folles aventures... ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
Le sam. 7 mars 2015 à 8:54, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com a écrit : Let's first do Brussels, see what works and what not. Adapt and then plan the next event (after summer perhaps). I also think that events on which people can just learn about OSM are more needed now that actual mapping parties. +1 The party on April 25 is for me more an opportunity to meet and learn together. The location (Brussels) is just a pretext. During those meetings we could help novice mappers with problems, but also talk about how to use OSM, ... Much like meetups but perhaps with a better possibility to do some mapping. +1 Regards NP ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
Hello everyone. Here is my reflexion about this conversation. #Todo list Thanks Ben for the todo list. But we have to detail it like - what are the problems of the drupal website (blog language ? ). Also it is good to have a tool that permit to the list to progress, create new category (one of this category can be the 25 avril event... ). I can try to help for the website improvement, sometimes for the french communication,... #Mapping party It is nice to have some mapping party but I think that a Belgium meeting (not only a mapping party is also interresing). The idea about this meeting is to develop the community : meeting each other, talk about how to develop the community, invite poeple for other community, Also it is nice to have some mapping party but we have to be careful trying to do 6 mapping party this year is maybe too ambitious. I prefer to have 3 good mapping parties in Belgium during 5 years than 6 during one year and nothing after. I don't want to refrain someone to organise mapping party, but we have to have attainable goals and there is a lot of work. A way to attract beginners in OSM is to contact ASBL / VZW or local organisation that can be interesting in OSM. For the 25 april we can contact the Gracq ( also the local chapter of the Gracq ) and the fietsersbond (I don't know if there exist local chapter). Another time we can contact walker group (and explain how to put osm on a gps device), tourism association, ...). Marc On 6 March 2015 at 09:36, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: So what I'm saying is: we need more and better source material. It's not difficult for people to help out with gathering / surveying this. Then during a mapping party, we can focus on using these pictures to add details to the map. The mapping party would serve to bring people with specific interests into contact with people who know how to add /integrate them into the OSM data. That's indeed a very good starting point. This is something that can be done during a mapping party. As a side note, pictures taking from cars do not always have the quality that is needed to use for mapping. I followed a track of pictures on Mapillary the other day, but the destination signs (in which I was interested were barely readable.) Typically to far away and the next one was past the sign. The problem to read the name of a pub. Lot's of work to get the sharp picture in the right spot. But after reading the thread on the Dutch forum on Mapillary, I wonder whether the company is interested in high-res pictures. regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- et en avant pour de folles aventures... ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
Hello, For April 25, we still need experienced mappers. For your information, a colleague of mine (Michel Willemse) who registered and will be present, is an active cyclist. He has already contacted Gracq, fietsersverbond ... GRACQ has reacted very positively ... but for the date : they already have a cyclist event in the very nearby parc de Bruxelles. Michel's idea is that, if the weather permit, instead or on top of doing some activities to start with and describe OSM, what can be done during the morning ... we (or at least some of us) do something similar at the Parc for the cyclist, leveraging the large number of cyclists who will be present for Gracsq's event. We could do so simply by preparing paper maps to fill and some printed papers to distribute stating where to download mapilliary / osmand (or the best OSM mapping tool), what to do ... I am thinking to a 1 page, simple to read, instructions. Yes, as Marc proposes, next time, we'll contact the walkers groups and maybe the people responsible for tourism in Brussels. We could also leverage them to better describe Brussels as a touristic place and map everything that could be touristically interessant and make links to descriptions (if possible text + sounds + videos) But this will be for another time. I am even considering that one activity that could become repetitive, with a short repeat time (if handled by the tourist authorities who pay a leader) would be guided tours of Brussels with mapping purposes. I am dreaming of tours every saturday morning for example, where walkers in the city would discover a new location in the city and at the same time map everything they encounter during the visit. Can you imagine what a good map we would hava after one year only ? With many information and on top, 52 guided tours on OSM. Have a good week end, Nicolas ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com wrote: It is nice to have some mapping party but I think that a Belgium meeting (not only a mapping party is also interresing). The idea about this meeting is to develop the community : meeting each other, talk about how to develop the community, invite poeple for other community, Also it is nice to have some mapping party but we have to be careful trying to do 6 mapping party this year is maybe too ambitious. I prefer to have 3 good mapping parties in Belgium during 5 years than 6 during one year and nothing after. I don't want to refrain someone to organise mapping party, but we have to have attainable goals and there is a lot of work. +1 Belgium is pretty small, so we might not need 6 parties a year. Let's first do Brussels, see what works and what not. Adapt and then plan the next event (after summer perhaps). I also think that events on which people can just learn about OSM are more needed now that actual mapping parties. During those meetings we could help novice mappers with problems, but also talk about how to use OSM, ... Much like meetups but perhaps with a better possibility to do some mapping. regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: So what I'm saying is: we need more and better source material. It's not difficult for people to help out with gathering / surveying this. Then during a mapping party, we can focus on using these pictures to add details to the map. The mapping party would serve to bring people with specific interests into contact with people who know how to add /integrate them into the OSM data. That's indeed a very good starting point. This is something that can be done during a mapping party. As a side note, pictures taking from cars do not always have the quality that is needed to use for mapping. I followed a track of pictures on Mapillary the other day, but the destination signs (in which I was interested were barely readable.) Typically to far away and the next one was past the sign. The problem to read the name of a pub. Lot's of work to get the sharp picture in the right spot. But after reading the thread on the Dutch forum on Mapillary, I wonder whether the company is interested in high-res pictures. regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
Hello I am very happy to read Marc and Ben proposals here under. I think we should use a project management tool to floow them in the most efficent way : who proposes what, what is done for when, who does what ... Le Jeu 5 mars 2015 11:37, Marc Gemis a écrit : - I'm willing to help with one mapping party/presentation every 2 months we can already plan the next 6 mapping parties/ what about organizing one in each large city of Belgium : we'll have one in Brussels on April 25. And we alternate a Flemisch speaking and a French speaking city. Let's imagine (end of the month of) - June : Antwerpen - September : Liege - November : Gent - January : Mons - March : Leuven - May : Namur - June : Oostende - September : (may start over with Brussels) or so. The one in Brussels is my next appointment. thanks - I could try to write some texts for osm.be on stuff that I do (e.g. middelheim, rose garden, heritage) similar to the presentation on OpenBelgium when that is useful to show what one can do with OSM. great - I'm willing to send an email to the province for the Atlas v/d buurtwegen (just give me the text :-) ) +1 - I've contacted an ex-colleague who used drupal for some project (website of a dogschool). I asked him whether he would be willing to upgrade the and improve the infrastructure. +2 I'm not the organising type, so I won't organise meetups, mapping parties, etc. but as said before I'm willing to help with the technical part. I am the kind of person interested in organizing and meeting the press. Much less tehcnically oriented (even though I am really interested to understand and practice the tools) - Helping Nicolas with the mapping party: You can help him by advertising showing up of just email him and ask him what you can do: nico...@pettiaux.be and more information is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities#Invitation_.C3.A0_une_Cartopartie_.5B1.5D_.C3.A0_Bruxelles_-_Samedi_25_Avril_2015.2C_9h_.C3.A0_13h imho, we need to write a full program, a trilingual press document describing what we'll do and how, to attract BEGINNERS (and not making them afraid) and transmit that to the press so that they can write good papers. - Organize a local meetup: Not very difficult just go and sit somewhere and wait for people to show up. We have noticed that this gets people more involved and communication improves. +1 - Organize a mapping party: A very good idea! YES - West-Vlaanderen community-contact-person: We need someone (preferable from WVL) that can communicate with me and local orgs like westtoer to organize a couple of mapping parties. Workload is very low except when it's about to happen (the mapping party that is). Other TODO's: - Website improvements: I think our website looks like . We urgently need some work on this. We also need someone to update drupal or move to another platform (less maintenance), and setup proper multilingual support. who can help ? - Communication, for example, weekly OSM and managing the twitter-account/facebook group a bit better... ;-) Also a FR-speaking volunteer would help a lot. I volunteer for the French part. But I would very much like some active help and support. For example by Julien Fastré and/or marc Ducobu - Emailing to your province about the 'Atlas der Buurtwegen': The rights to the maps are at provincial level. We need to contact each province individually and ask them (each and every one) to release the maps for use in OSM. This is an important issue because in the past it has been assumed free and open but these maps are NOT! yes these legal points need a dedicated team imho, we should try ton convince law students and teachers to help - Local Chapter: I want to submit a proposal to become a local chapter of OSMF. Anyone willing to help with some of the administration and reading the procedure, contacting Paul Norman, etc... +1 . Much thanks. I propose to assume, for the time being, with Ben some kind of twin headed lead of the OSM-be project. In my views, we would be (Ben and myself) just the 2 porte-paroles/woordvoeders (is this goede Nederlands ?)/leaders representing the most active united speaking communities of OSM-be (I insist, form me the is ONE OSM-be but, to face reality, I think it is appropriate to have one representative who is native speaker of eahc language) Some of these may seem strange and you could say that we should all just stick to mapping but I think these actions can improve our community and give more visibility to OSM. I think you are completely right. We need to better and more communicate. Much thanks and best regards to all. Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux - nico...@pettiaux.be Soutenons april.org , framasoft.org et laquadrature.net Let's participate in openstreetmap.be Participons à associalibre.be et openstreetmap.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
I was thinking about this location: http://www.wereldcafe.be/ The place is still available on Saturdays 21 and 28 of March. Due to personal limitations I'd want to get started at 16h. It's open until 23h. Of course, if people would want to start earlier, that's possible too, but somebody else would have to get started. There is wifi and catering. They have some sort of curtain to create a more closed off area, if needed. I can bring a projector and they have a white wall. For people who want to go out and map, both Begijnhof and Botanical garden are nearby, just like the city center and the Oude Markt. Parking is another matter... Maybe Gasthuisberg is the cheapest and most convenient way for people coming by car. There are many buses going into the center. Using the train is better, of course and again, there are many buses, but it's also possible to go on foot (and start surveying / mapillarying already :-) I'd like to show how to use Mapillary as a modern and convenient way of surveying in the field and then use those pictures and GPX tracks to add details to OSM. Jo 2015-03-05 18:23 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be: Hello I am very happy to read Marc and Ben proposals here under. I think we should use a project management tool to floow them in the most efficent way : who proposes what, what is done for when, who does what ... Le Jeu 5 mars 2015 11:37, Marc Gemis a écrit : - I'm willing to help with one mapping party/presentation every 2 months we can already plan the next 6 mapping parties/ what about organizing one in each large city of Belgium : we'll have one in Brussels on April 25. And we alternate a Flemisch speaking and a French speaking city. Let's imagine (end of the month of) - June : Antwerpen - September : Liege - November : Gent - January : Mons - March : Leuven - May : Namur - June : Oostende - September : (may start over with Brussels) or so. The one in Brussels is my next appointment. thanks - I could try to write some texts for osm.be on stuff that I do (e.g. middelheim, rose garden, heritage) similar to the presentation on OpenBelgium when that is useful to show what one can do with OSM. great - I'm willing to send an email to the province for the Atlas v/d buurtwegen (just give me the text :-) ) +1 - I've contacted an ex-colleague who used drupal for some project (website of a dogschool). I asked him whether he would be willing to upgrade the and improve the infrastructure. +2 I'm not the organising type, so I won't organise meetups, mapping parties, etc. but as said before I'm willing to help with the technical part. I am the kind of person interested in organizing and meeting the press. Much less tehcnically oriented (even though I am really interested to understand and practice the tools) - Helping Nicolas with the mapping party: You can help him by advertising showing up of just email him and ask him what you can do: nico...@pettiaux.be and more information is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities#Invitation_.C3.A0_une_Cartopartie_.5B1.5D_.C3.A0_Bruxelles_-_Samedi_25_Avril_2015.2C_9h_.C3.A0_13h imho, we need to write a full program, a trilingual press document describing what we'll do and how, to attract BEGINNERS (and not making them afraid) and transmit that to the press so that they can write good papers. - Organize a local meetup: Not very difficult just go and sit somewhere and wait for people to show up. We have noticed that this gets people more involved and communication improves. +1 - Organize a mapping party: A very good idea! YES - West-Vlaanderen community-contact-person: We need someone (preferable from WVL) that can communicate with me and local orgs like westtoer to organize a couple of mapping parties. Workload is very low except when it's about to happen (the mapping party that is). Other TODO's: - Website improvements: I think our website looks like . We urgently need some work on this. We also need someone to update drupal or move to another platform (less maintenance), and setup proper multilingual support. who can help ? - Communication, for example, weekly OSM and managing the twitter-account/facebook group a bit better... ;-) Also a FR-speaking volunteer would help a lot. I volunteer for the French part. But I would very much like some active help and support. For example by Julien Fastré and/or marc Ducobu - Emailing to your province about the 'Atlas der Buurtwegen': The rights to the maps are at provincial level. We need to contact each province individually and ask them (each and every one) to release the maps for use in OSM. This is an important issue because in the past it has been assumed free and open but these maps are NOT! yes these legal points need a dedicated team imho, we should try ton convince law students and teachers to
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
- I'm willing to help with one mapping party/presentation every 2 months or so. The one in Brussels is my next appointment. - I could try to write some texts for osm.be on stuff that I do (e.g. middelheim, rose garden, heritage) similar to the presentation on OpenBelgium when that is useful to show what one can do with OSM. - I'm willing to send an email to the province for the Atlas v/d buurtwegen (just give me the text :-) ) - I've contacted an ex-colleague who used drupal for some project (website of a dogschool). I asked him whether he would be willing to upgrade the and improve the infrastructure. I'm not the organising type, so I won't organise meetups, mapping parties, etc. but as said before I'm willing to help with the technical part. regards m. On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Glenn asked to elaborate on the todo-list: Mapping parties/meetups: We need more of this! - Helping Nicolas with the mapping party: You can help him by advertising showing up of just email him and ask him what you can do: nico...@pettiaux.be and more information is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities#Invitation_.C3.A0_une_Cartopartie_.5B1.5D_.C3.A0_Bruxelles_-_Samedi_25_Avril_2015.2C_9h_.C3.A0_13h - Organize a local meetup: Not very difficult just go and sit somewhere and wait for people to show up. We have noticed that this gets people more involved and communication improves. - Organize a mapping party: A very good idea! - West-Vlaanderen community-contact-person: We need someone (preferable from WVL) that can communicate with me and local orgs like westtoer to organize a couple of mapping parties. Workload is very low except when it's about to happen (the mapping party that is). Other TODO's: - Website improvements: I think our website looks like . We urgently need some work on this. We also need someone to update drupal or move to another platform (less maintenance), and setup proper multilingual support. - Communication, for example, weekly OSM and managing the twitter-account/facebook group a bit better... ;-) Also a FR-speaking volunteer would help a lot. - Emailing to your province about the 'Atlas der Buurtwegen': The rights to the maps are at provincial level. We need to contact each province individually and ask them (each and every one) to release the maps for use in OSM. This is an important issue because in the past it has been assumed free and open but these maps are NOT! - Local Chapter: I want to submit a proposal to become a local chapter of OSMF. Anyone willing to help with some of the administration and reading the procedure, contacting Paul Norman, etc... Some of these may seem strange and you could say that we should all just stick to mapping but I think these actions can improve our community and give more visibility to OSM. Cheers, Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
I wonder how we can attract new mappers with mapping parties. I understand that a Missing Maps party like the one in Antwerp can work. I understand how people can be motivated by the promise that they will help organisations like the Red Cross or Doctors without Borders. Even a topic like Map wheelchair access in your town or Find the missing bicycle paths are attractive. Bonus is that when you just leave the door of the room where the party is held, you find plenty of things you can add. Drawback is that properly mapping bicycle path is pretty hard. For good wheelchair mapping you should actually visit each shop restaurant (not only from the outside), another difficulty. Easier stuff then, simple POIs like shops, restaurants, BBs. Are they an attractive topic ? Don't know And some towns, e.g. Namur are already pretty well mapped regarding POIs in the center. House numbers ? Boring to most I think. Playground ? Schools ? more interesting, but are there enough of them near the venue ? Reading the past mappers of the month interviews, I see that they ask to focus on the core. Streets and house numbers. Basic street information (geometry names) is pretty well covered, but the additional attributes are still missing: max speed, height, weight, parking lanes, the width of the streets. But how can you show people that adding this data makes a difference. All routers use a default collection of max speeds for routing. There is one router (website) that takes max weight height into account, so that might work. The width of the street is hard to measure. (and no, measuring in JOSM does not work) The idea of OpenData ? Don't know whether any Google user or iPhoner is interested in that. I hope someone can let me know how a classic mapping party can attract new mappers. What do we need as topic ? How do you think that it should be organised ? regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Helping out OpenStreetMap Belgium Working Group! (was: 'Mapper of the month')
One of the problems I encountered when trying to add buildings from UrbIS, is that it's still necessary to be able to survey, even with excellent source data (that included the complete set of housenumbers and building contours) and great aerial imagery. The full picture needs the ability to have a look around in the streets to see what's there and where the entrances are. The problem when surveying is that it's almost impossible to decide what is important and what is important to you, is not what is important for the next mapper. A convenient way to survey is making pictures. But having them on your personal hard drive doesn't allow others to make use of them. Of course, Google Streetview is off limits and the efforts of AGIV are also beyond our reach. So I was extremely happy to learn about the existence of Mapillary. Finally a place where to send those thousands photos taken while surveying over the years. To me it's stil necessary to have people walk/drive/cycle through the streets of Brussels (and elsewhere) and making pictures. Thousands of them. My specific interest are bus stops and their surroundings. For a wheelmap it's interesting to make pictures of both accessible and non-accessible entrances of POIs. For a cycle map it's interesting to have pictures of bicycle infrastructure. This can go from dedicated parking space, bicycle rental pickup/dropoff, bicycle shops and repair, bicycle repair stations with tools, itineraries/routes, cycleways. Some things can be seen from above, but where it's allowed to ride a bicycle against the flow of one way streets, isn't usually. So what I'm saying is: we need more and better source material. It's not difficult for people to help out with gathering / surveying this. Then during a mapping party, we can focus on using these pictures to add details to the map. The mapping party would serve to bring people with specific interests into contact with people who know how to add /integrate them into the OSM data. It could also serve to demonstrate how to get get the specific data of interest out once again and render it nicely. Just my 200 cents. Jo 2015-03-06 7:55 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com: I wonder how we can attract new mappers with mapping parties. I understand that a Missing Maps party like the one in Antwerp can work. I understand how people can be motivated by the promise that they will help organisations like the Red Cross or Doctors without Borders. Even a topic like Map wheelchair access in your town or Find the missing bicycle paths are attractive. Bonus is that when you just leave the door of the room where the party is held, you find plenty of things you can add. Drawback is that properly mapping bicycle path is pretty hard. For good wheelchair mapping you should actually visit each shop restaurant (not only from the outside), another difficulty. Easier stuff then, simple POIs like shops, restaurants, BBs. Are they an attractive topic ? Don't know And some towns, e.g. Namur are already pretty well mapped regarding POIs in the center. House numbers ? Boring to most I think. Playground ? Schools ? more interesting, but are there enough of them near the venue ? Reading the past mappers of the month interviews, I see that they ask to focus on the core. Streets and house numbers. Basic street information (geometry names) is pretty well covered, but the additional attributes are still missing: max speed, height, weight, parking lanes, the width of the streets. But how can you show people that adding this data makes a difference. All routers use a default collection of max speeds for routing. There is one router (website) that takes max weight height into account, so that might work. The width of the street is hard to measure. (and no, measuring in JOSM does not work) The idea of OpenData ? Don't know whether any Google user or iPhoner is interested in that. I hope someone can let me know how a classic mapping party can attract new mappers. What do we need as topic ? How do you think that it should be organised ? regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
