Re: [Talk-ca] import complaints
I /think/ I'm responsible for that big error in Hudson Bay. I've fixed it, but can't quite figure out how two small mistakes caused that big glitch. Perhaps the real problem is that the coastlines are updated only a few times a year, I fixed the problem as soon as I saw it, and yet it will persist on all levels. (I don't know if this can be changed, don't interpret this as a demand or passing of the blame for the error) In regards to the imports. I mostly import in areas without any decent aerial imagery, or in some cases people (though in some cases images came after the import) . If someone is willing to pay me to map these areas (I don't mind donating time, but I need to eat/get there) and give me good aerial imagery and a high quality GPS I will swear off Canvec, but that doesn't seem likely. Sam Dyck On 11-12-02 04:56 PM, talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: We could ban imports. But we still want to have access to external sources. So let's start treating external like we treat aerial imagery. When you do a foot survey you take notes and photos and draw sketches. Then you map it by referring to your notes and photos and sketches and aerial imagery. That's how we notice that the aerial imagery is three years old doesn't show the new shopping plaza or extension on the old mill. And we consider all of those sources then take the best we can from every source and put it in OSM. That's why OSM is so good where we have a rich community. OSM is better than any other single source. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Argh, Canvec imports
Hi I /think/ I'm responsible for the problems in Hudson Bay. The issue was I forgot to delete the intermittent coastline from Canvec and only discovered my error once the coastline was updated. I've fixed the problem, but I have no idea if I am responsible for that big blob of grey in the southern half (I didn't do any editing there, I have to wait until the next update to find out). I've seen coastline errors many times before, I remember there was a large one in Southern Ontario for a while, and Newfoundland had several until recently. Here is the problem: -Editors don't notice their mistakes until the coastline is updated, so they stick around in the data for a while -When the mistakes are fixed it takes a few weeks for the corrections to show up on mapnik -Coastlines are handled differently than the natural=water tag, which confuses people -Mapnik doesn't render natural=water at high levels -Mapnik ignores the water=intermittent tag I'm not suggesting we use natural=water (that would be a terrible idea), there just needs to be a way for editors to check the rendering of their coastlines. Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Coastline on low zoom levels
Hi Everyone The sparse selection of North American lakes at low zoom levels on the mapnik layer has become embarrassing. Could we get the file used to generate the coastlines at low resolutions updated. Lakes missing: - Southern half of Lake Winnipeg - Lake Manitoba - Almost all of Great Slave Lake - Great Salt Lake - Lake of the Woods - Smallwood Reservoir - Lake Simcoe - Lesser Slave Lake And many others around the world. Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] User:CANVEC
Hi Maybe I missed something here, but who exactly is User:CANVEC http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CANVEC? They only joined in July and their edits have been confined to Ellesmere Island, southeastern Quebec and northwestern New Brunswick. Not suprisingly, all their edits are Canvec imports. A review of Talk-ca messages shortly before and after account creation yields no information. Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Tagging Cardlock gasoline
Hi everybody I have been away from the internet for much of the summer and am now entering information gathered in my travels into OSM. However I encountered some problems with some fuel stations. Many stations in rural Canada, particularly those owned by consumer co-ops are cardlocks: unstaffed stations that require the customer to insert a punchcard, they will receive a monthly bill for their purchases in the mail. As such most travellers cannot use them. Any suggestions as to how to tag them? Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Winnipeg Transit addresses
Hi everyone I was browsing through Winnipeg Transit's new PDDL API and experimenting with the possibility of getting data from it. I discovered a way to use a wildcard search to generate and XML file with all addresses on a street that start with the same number. I found a small street and manually created an OSM XML file for all address which I double checked against Bing and found it accurate. I did not import it. Is it worth creating a script to attempt to do this on a larger scale, especially if the servers are throttled at 100 requests per IP per key per minute? One advantage is it only has actual address, the reality of nonexistent houses (where the house numbers skip several on a street, e.g. my house is 725, my neighbour is 729, I have looked hard for 727 but can't find it) is one of the biggest problems with interpolation. If you want to play around with the API you can use my key. http://api.winnipegtransit.com/locations:414+osb?api-key=gFUVjeJObwFawLhOK75q Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
But per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2011-03-07#ODbL_phase_3_delayed_due_to_Creative_Commons, phase 3 has been delayed. Or has this changed? Sam On 11-03-26 05:18 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 26/03/11 04:03, Samuel Dyck wrote: Let me clarify, will the so called tainted data still be up for the near future, or will I be spending my week preforming hectic Canvec imports to save street names I gathered with a pen and paper? It doesn't look good for me http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=12lat=49.88177lon=-97.17517layers=B0. Please ignore Sam - there is no data removal planned for next week. I think he has confused the stages of the license change process - the next stage is to ask people to accept or decline the license before they can edit. It is not the point at which the license will change and problem data may have to be removed. It is not even the point at which people who decline will not be able to edit any more. More details about the implementation plan can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan As I understand things it is Phase 3 which we are close to entering, not Phase 5. Tom ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
So there is poor communication between the board and the community? I hate to argue, but the License change still has a large TODO notice next to the No option. This is a problem. Sam On 11-03-26 11:17 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 26/03/11 16:12, Samuel Dyck wrote: But per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2011-03-07#ODbL_phase_3_delayed_due_to_Creative_Commons, phase 3 has been delayed. Or has this changed? Those community updates are exactly that - written by a member of the community and not authoritative in any way. In this case I don't believe that what is written there is an accurate summary of the situation at all. Tom ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
*Decline*. You do not agree to the new OpenStreetMap Contributor Terms and, specifically, you refuse to re-license your existing contributions for use under the ODbL. (TODO: add more on what this means). Here. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F Stage 3 is is very late, and no reason is given as to why. As for the update, why is it not monitored? Sam On 11-03-26 11:36 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 26/03/11 16:33, Samuel Dyck wrote: So there is poor communication between the board and the community? I hate to argue, but the License change still has a large TODO notice next to the No option. This is a problem. As I thought I had explained that community update was not a communication from the board or LWG or anybody else official so I'm not sure how you can read into it anything about communication between the board and the community. I have no idea what TODO notice you are talking about - obviously code changes will be needed to implement future phases of the implementation plan and I understand that those are in progress. Tom ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
I see, my bad. I'm just a little frustrated about the lack of communication. I should say that I have already accepted the new terms (sorry Sam). On 11-03-26 11:48 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 26/03/11 16:42, Samuel Dyck wrote: *Decline*. You do not agree to the new OpenStreetMap Contributor Terms and, specifically, you refuse to re-license your existing contributions for use under the ODbL. (TODO: add more on what this means). Here. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F I think that's just out of date, like so much in the wiki. New users signing up are sent to a different wiki page when they decline: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined Stage 3 is is very late, and no reason is given as to why. I believe the main reason is because of the ongoing attempt to improve the contributor terms to deal with various issues which people raised with them. Unfortunately reworking them takes time because of the need to keep passing each draft over to the lawyers for review. As for the update, why is it not monitored? I don't know - maybe the board has established a Community Monitoring Group yet? Maybe you should suggest it to them? You seem to have me confused with somebody in authority ;-) Tom ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
Thanks Sam. Now hopefully no one on the other boards will rip into me for daring to import. :) You might also want to look at the MLI provincial forest data and the other goodies on the admin. boundaries list. (I don't know what you are interested in). Sadly with the exception of the Winnipeg Transit, the City of Winnipeg doesn't believe in open data. Sam On 11-03-26 12:15 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: I guess the OpenStreetMap Foundation's Map (odbl only) has not yet been started. Since the date of step 5 is 'to be determined'. So that's a good reason why i'm actively working on the alternative(s) :-) ... To get back on topic, I'll get back to this list once i have the rules.txt/.pl script and shp/.osm files available of the MLI park boundary data, since many would like to see this data on the various map APIs. cheers, Sam p.s. i'll probably be done it before step 5 roles around :-) On 3/26/11, Samuel Dycksamueld...@gmail.com wrote: I see, my bad. I'm just a little frustrated about the lack of communication. I should say that I have already accepted the new terms (sorry Sam). On 11-03-26 11:48 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 26/03/11 16:42, Samuel Dyck wrote: *Decline*. You do not agree to the new OpenStreetMap Contributor Terms and, specifically, you refuse to re-license your existing contributions for use under the ODbL. (TODO: add more on what this means). Here. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F I think that's just out of date, like so much in the wiki. New users signing up are sent to a different wiki page when they decline: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined Stage 3 is is very late, and no reason is given as to why. I believe the main reason is because of the ongoing attempt to improve the contributor terms to deal with various issues which people raised with them. Unfortunately reworking them takes time because of the need to keep passing each draft over to the lawyers for review. As for the update, why is it not monitored? I don't know - maybe the board has established a Community Monitoring Group yet? Maybe you should suggest it to them? You seem to have me confused with somebody in authority ;-) Tom ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
Hi Everyone The Canvec data for MB provincial park boundaries is horribly inaccurate and this bothers me greatly. The government of Manitoba offers good boundary data and a bunch of other cool stuff though the Manitoba Lands Initiative, which I believe we can use, but I've never converted Shapefiles to an API 0.6 compatible osm file (or at all really). How would I best do this? Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
I'm using an Ubuntu derived distro, so I should be good. Tyler converted the MLI building data and has been importing it into OSM already. I've read thought the terms, do I need to clear a import with someone? Sam On 11-03-25 03:32 PM, Paul Norman wrote: I prefer http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ogr2osm to do the conversions. To convert you have to write a python function that maps the shapefile tagging to osm tagging. This is not technically very hard, but mapping to osm tags is very easy to get wrong. If you're using Windows, I'd suggest using VirtualBox and Ubuntu to run it. -Original Message- From: Samuel Dyck [mailto:samueld...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 12:12 PM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries Hi Everyone The Canvec data for MB provincial park boundaries is horribly inaccurate and this bothers me greatly. The government of Manitoba offers good boundary data and a bunch of other cool stuff though the Manitoba Lands Initiative, which I believe we can use, but I've never converted Shapefiles to an API 0.6 compatible osm file (or at all really). How would I best do this? Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
Thanks Sam, that saves me a lot of work. Is all the tainted data being removed Friday, or just yours? Sam On 11-03-25 10:29 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, The National Parks data will be removed from the osm api next friday, as it will be considered 'tainted data' since the person who uploaded the data doesn't agree to the new contributor terms. This helps, as it makes it easier to add in the Manitoba parks data. Since knowone volunteered, the conversion script for the MLI data will be availbale on github :) and the shape files on koordinates.com Soon(TM) cheers, sam On 3/25/11, Samuel Dycksamueld...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone The Canvec data for MB provincial park boundaries is horribly inaccurate and this bothers me greatly. The government of Manitoba offers good boundary data and a bunch of other cool stuff though the Manitoba Lands Initiative, which I believe we can use, but I've never converted Shapefiles to an API 0.6 compatible osm file (or at all really). How would I best do this? Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Importing MLI park boundaries
Let me clarify, will the so called tainted data still be up for the near future, or will I be spending my week preforming hectic Canvec imports to save street names I gathered with a pen and paper? It doesn't look good for me http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=12lat=49.88177lon=-97.17517layers=B0. Sam Dyck On 11-03-25 10:56 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: That is upto the OpenStreetMap Foundation to decide on what todo, as they will effectivelly 'own' all the rights to the data, including all tainted data. We (as a community) do not have a say in this matter, unfortunatly. cc'd the lists, it's up to them to reply back. cheers, sam On 3/25/11, Samuel Dycksamueld...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Sam, that saves me a lot of work. Is all the tainted data being removed Friday, or just yours? Sam On 11-03-25 10:29 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, The National Parks data will be removed from the osm api next friday, as it will be considered 'tainted data' since the person who uploaded the data doesn't agree to the new contributor terms. This helps, as it makes it easier to add in the Manitoba parks data. Since knowone volunteered, the conversion script for the MLI data will be availbale on github :) and the shape files on koordinates.com Soon(TM) cheers, sam On 3/25/11, Samuel Dycksamueld...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone The Canvec data for MB provincial park boundaries is horribly inaccurate and this bothers me greatly. The government of Manitoba offers good boundary data and a bunch of other cool stuff though the Manitoba Lands Initiative, which I believe we can use, but I've never converted Shapefiles to an API 0.6 compatible osm file (or at all really). How would I best do this? Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] CanVec Vs. TIGER
Hi everyone I'm at home recovering from dental surgery, so I've had the opportunity to get a lot of imports done. But I've been importing along the US border alot, and have ran into some trouble with TIGER Data and need some advice. My problems are as follows: -Importing near the geopolitical oddity know as the Northwest Angle https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Northwest_Angle, I encountered a disagreement about the coastline of The Lake of the Woods. Canvec and data ends 150m north where TIGER data begins. (thought they are both roughly on the same Longitude). An inspection using Landsat and some surprisingly decent Bing imagry strongly favour Canvec and show the TIGER boundary to be full of twists and lagoons that don't appear to exist. How to I reconcile this? The Canvec boundaries appear to follow the exterior edge of a white surface that Canvec calls wetland, but may be ice. Sadly the one place of this lake I know has no white surface nearby. -TIGER is full of duplicate nodes. When I run Validator to check Canvec data I will often get 20+ duplicate node warnings from a TIGER road I partially downloaded. I can fix this without downloading the entire area of the way, but they I just hit more ways with problems. Thanks Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Reporting Canvec errors
Hi I've racked up a list of errors is Canvec data. We've probably gone over this before, but how do I report errors and out of date information in Canvec. Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Canvec vs. GPS
Hey everyone I am presently preparing a careful import of Canvec data into Mantario area. I have stumbled across a trail that appears to be a GPS track. The problem is that while this trail did not overlap with the old old low detail lake data, it conflicts in some areas with the Canvec data. Which data should I adjust? The overlap between the two ranges for 17cm to 30m. An inspection using Landsat (sadly the best imagery for the region) favours Canvec. I realize that this is a tricky subject. I'm assuming Godwin's law does not apply to this list. Sam Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Here we go again...
I'll second what Richard said. This whole argument of talk could have been avoided (or at least delayed) if someone had tried contacting me before I was accused. Perhaps I'm just upset but in my opinion it's better to raise the issue with the user first than on a list. We don't want another vreimer but I've found these trouble makers, are usually just misguided. Sa, Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Reply to concerns about CanVec imports in Quebec
Hi Everyone I've had a busy week. Sorry I wasn't paying attention to the discussions. I will be frank. I have never imported Canvec data outside of Manitoba (except where the tiles overlapped into Saskatchewan. I deny any involvement in the area surrounding Aylmer, Quebec. It is possible I may have made small edits there and they may have been part of a Canvec import elsewhere, but I personally did not knowingly perform any imports. Thank you. I apologize for any confusion. Samuel Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] My CanVec imports in the Ottawa area
Cross posted on Talk-ca Hi Everyone I've had a busy week. Sorry I wasn't paying attention to the discussions. I will be frank. I have never imported Canvec data outside of Manitoba (except where the tiles overlapped into Saskatchewan. I deny any involvement in the area surrounding Aylmer, Quebec. It is possible I may have made small edits there and they may have been part of a Canvec import elsewhere, but I personally did not knowingly perform any imports. Thank you. I apologize for any confusion. Samuel Dyck ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Bilingual operator names
Hi When I tag government facilities, I put the name in the predominant local language (English in Manitoba) in the name tag. Put the English name in the English name tag and the French name in the French name tag. But what about the operator tag? For example Winnipeg has a facility know in English as the Centre for the Commercialization of Biomedical Technology, which is run by the organization known in English as the National Research Council and in French as Le conseil national de recherches Canada (that is the capitalization used on their website). So when put them in the operator tag, how do I handle the name. Do I - Create operator:en and operator:fr tags? - Put both names in the operator tags? Thanks Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bilingual operator names
I took your advice and went east to Ottawa. I assumed that Parliament Hill would be a good model to follow. Sadly it is tagged exclusively in English as is the Supreme Court. Perhaps someone with with better French than myself should fix that. On the other side of the Ottawa River, The Museum of Civilization sets a better example by using a slash, which is what I will use. Sam On 11-01-25 07:23 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Some would argue that including a 'space' and forward slash '/' and French name, to be all on the same line. (some datasets do this) and others would argue that 'french rendermap' should show all french. . so it's osm, it's not perfect ... so just check out another federal facility that has french and copy :) Some would argue that we need a 'strict set of rules' ... and others argue 'free form rules with the masses and loudest' :) cheers, sam On 1/25/11, Samuel Dycksamueld...@gmail.com wrote: Hi When I tag government facilities, I put the name in the predominant local language (English in Manitoba) in the name tag. Put the English name in the English name tag and the French name in the French name tag. But what about the operator tag? For example Winnipeg has a facility know in English as the Centre for the Commercialization of Biomedical Technology, which is run by the organization known in English as the National Research Council and in French as Le conseil national de recherches Canada (that is the capitalization used on their website). So when put them in the operator tag, how do I handle the name. Do I - Create operator:en and operator:fr tags? - Put both names in the operator tags? Thanks Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Purging vreimer
Hi I've been looking at replacing much of vriemer's work in manitoba with Canvec data. Even replacing one tile is a daunting task, so I thought I'd ask the opions of others before I start work staring with Canvec tile 062H10. What do people think? Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Purging vreimer
Another thing we need to think about. Whatever you position on the license change, it is doubtful vreimer will take the trouble to consent to the new terms. So we should probably gat all his stuff removed anyways. Sam Sam On 11-01-14 09:50 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: What would be great is to extract an .osm file containing only vreimer's edits. Is this possable? It would be great to have this file, so then after vreimer's edits gets removed reom the osm api, they can be used to make other maps. and added into other api's :-) On 1/14/11, Samuel Dycksamueld...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've been looking at replacing much of vriemer's work in manitoba with Canvec data. Even replacing one tile is a daunting task, so I thought I'd ask the opions of others before I start work staring with Canvec tile 062H10. What do people think? Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Schools becoming prisons in Canvec 7
Hi I've been merging the street names from Canvec 7 in areas in Manitoba with Canvec 6 imports sans street names. And I noticed that what CanVec 6 called schools have all become prisons in Canvec 7. Now I aware of prison overcrowding problems but I doubt that all the schools in southern Manitoba have become penitentiaries. How would I go about reporting this error? Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Uploading geobase imagery
Hi Would it be possible to get the geobaseOrthoimage imagery up as and alternative to the Yahoo! Ariel imagery in Potlatch? In many rural areas the 10 metre imagery has significantly better resolution. Sam From: talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:30:57 PM Subject: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send Talk-ca mailing list submissions to talk-ca@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-ca-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-ca digest... Today's Topics: 1. CanVec /geobase NIDs (Sam Vekemans) 2. Re: OSM Geobase import: giving a try (Frank Steggink) 3. OSM GeoBase import: giving a try (Richard Degelder) 4. Re: OSM Geobase import: giving a try (Steve Singer) 5. Re: GeoBase Wiki edits (Steve Singer) 6. Re: GeoBase Wiki edits (Sam Vekemans) 7. Automatch for importing NHD (Sam Vekemans) 8. Re: OSM Geobase import: giving a try (Frank Steggink) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:44:06 -0800 From: Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com Subject: [Talk-ca] CanVec /geobase NIDs To: stegg...@steggink.org, talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 9dbbf3b20902151344k4741f45fk1b346be3a5f83...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, welcome to the team! I look forward to seeing the progress on the 021L07 area. Your questions were already answered, and thank you, as it gives me a better idea of how to make the wiki more clear :) re: nids i brought up the issue again as it needs to be further explained on the wiki, (with respect to CanVec also) as there is always 2 sides to decisions. -notion of 'expectancy' needs to be adressed in 1 page or less, and clearly understood. I am more in favor of using the 'automatch' for ALL map features. Does anyone know that the python script line that adds the OSM tags from the Database file. Hopefully someone can help? Trial error is the other method :) cheers, Sam -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:05:48 -0500 From: Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Geobase import: giving a try To: Steve Singer ssinger...@sympatico.ca Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 49989fcc@steggink.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Steve, Thanks for your response. Yes the wiki needs a cleanup, I've been hoping someone else would do it since that doesn't seem to be happening I will try to find sometime soon to delete all obsolete information from the wiki pages. I'll try to do some cleanup, once I have a better understanding of th eefforts of others. Yes please try to keep nids for data that actually comes from geobase. Not importing could limit us in the future. In what way would it limit us? When we'll receive a new dataset from Geobase? Or do you hint towards other datasets which are linked to the NID? In that case that additional data can't be linked to existing database, because that doesn't contain the NID attributes. b. How can we guarantee that the final import will be consistent? (See also my first question.) Depends what you mean by consitent. 1. Using consistent tags for things, the best way to ensure this is to look at what others are doing and share your scripts. 2. data consistency, ie roads line up and are joined between different imports or between the existing and geobase data. Right now we have no automated consistency tools, we are depending on people to manually line up/connect ways post import. Both meanings were intended. I wonder if automatic consistency will work. It seems to have a too high chance of failure. You are free to use your own processes and software. I don't think any two people are doing the exact same thing for importing. This is the process I follow You don't need to use roadmatcher, you just need to have some method of avoiding hundreds of duplicate roads. I actually wanted to use PostgreSQL/PostGIS, but it seems that no OSM data can be exported from it. At least not when OSM data was previously imported through osm2pgsql. Maybe it will work to keep the Geobase data in Postgis, export as OSM, and then apply some postprocessing (fixing in JOSM). For comparision purposes what I've done with the larger areas in Alberta: 1. Populate a postgis database with the NRN shapefile 2. Populate a postgis database with the OSM data using osm2pgsql 3. Generate a NRN and OSM shapefile for the area that I'm interested in using
[Talk-ca] NHN lake of the woods
Hi It looks like the NHN data is flawed because of the fact that the Lake of the Woods passes through the US. I will continue with mapping as normal. I notice that I am not the only one mapping the lake. I pay much more attention to detail than others. Is that okay? Sam __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
