Re: [Talk-GB] How to mark a Manor House on the map?
Excellent. Thanks for the advice, all. job done. Chris. 2009/9/12 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: On 12/09/2009 11:21, Chris Andrew wrote: Hi, all. This morning, I mapped a Manor House here in Wiltshire. I have added the perimeter to OSM, and marked it as a boundary. I just thought, maybe this sort of tag is only for official boundaries, such as counties. I couldn't find a more suitable tag, as the manor house is not a castle, and is not a tourist attraction. It's just (!) a 500 year Grade 1 listed building. Can anyone put me straight, as I don't want to contribute to poor mapping practices. I've typically done this as building=... for the building and leisure=park for the estate parkland that is often around the house. I guess in many cases it would also be appropriate to mark this as access=private. No doubt we can argue about the value for building. I've used stately_home for some larger examples, but I see no reason you shouldn't use manor_house Examples I've done (all building=stately_home): Audley End, Essex (which is English Heritage): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.02076lon=0.22267zoom=16layers=B000FTF Wimpole Hall, Cambridgeshire (NT): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.13965lon=-0.04982zoom=16layers=B000FTF and a private one, Ryston Hall (Norfolk): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.58454lon=0.3989zoom=16layers=B000FTF David -- Reasons why you may want to try GNU/Linux: http://www.getgnulinux.org/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!
2009/9/11 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: JR is preparing the images at the moment and will start loading them up onto Flickr soon and we can then figure out what we can do with them. For anyone interested in the photos, it looks like they're going up at http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/sets/72157622214942341/ They look great! Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!
As for plans for how -- I sent an email to the OAM list for advice, and haven't gotten a reply. As for hosting, that's even more of a mystery. I'm not planning to put them all online in the short term -- while flickr would be able ot hold all 10GB of data, it would be an almost imposable ot access format. If anyone know how to process this type of data, or has even a little info that may be hlpful, please come with it. I had a go with http://warper.geothings.net -- the results were disappointing, and exceedingly slow. It's a good service, but it's designed for rectifying maps, not oblique photos. I have been investigating the possibilities of using something like Panorama Tools / hugin -- they are designed for panoramas, but the idea of auto identifying matching points between a set of images, and using them as the reference points for stitching sounds very appealing. If anyone knows of a way to do this, please help. If anyone wants a copy of the complete data set for anything open source/creative commons/sensible -- let me know, we can come ot some arangment involving posting things. JR 2009/9/13 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com I did note there was a call for help with rectifying. Are there any plans yet for how this will be done and where the eventual outcome will be hosted? 2009/9/13 Dan Karran d...@karran.net: 2009/9/11 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: JR is preparing the images at the moment and will start loading them up onto Flickr soon and we can then figure out what we can do with them. For anyone interested in the photos, it looks like they're going up at http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/sets/72157622214942341/ They look great! Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!
On 13 Sep 2009, at 16:03, John Robert Peterson wrote: As for plans for how -- I sent an email to the OAM list for advice, and haven't gotten a reply. As for hosting, that's even more of a mystery. I'm not planning to put them all online in the short term -- while flickr would be able ot hold all 10GB of data, it would be an almost imposable ot access format. Thanks for uploading those to Flickr. The ones that are most useful to me as simple photographs (ie not rectified) are the ones that show the larger areas of the town where it is possible to identify the area of town the photo is of and then add land-use to OSM and identify missing content such as streets etc. I have already added a little to the map but it would be great to have a good selection of these available on Flickr before the AGI conference. Here are the ones that work best for me:- http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/3910339688/in/set-72157622214942341/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/3909555361/in/set-72157622214942341/ Could you upload a reasonable selection of photos covering the town at that sort of scale to Flickr? If anyone know how to process this type of data, or has even a little info that may be hlpful, please come with it. Ok, so some expertise would be useful here. I believe that this is what OAM is meant to do - possibly when it is back working it will be a good place to host them. Other suggestions greatly appreciated. I had a go with http://warper.geothings.net -- the results were disappointing, and exceedingly slow. It's a good service, but it's designed for rectifying maps, not oblique photos. I have been investigating the possibilities of using something like Panorama Tools / hugin -- they are designed for panoramas, but the idea of auto identifying matching points between a set of images, and using them as the reference points for stitching sounds very appealing. If anyone knows of a way to do this, please help. Lets see what we can do with the straightforward photos in the short term while we figure out how to rectify and host them. If anyone wants a copy of the complete data set for anything open source/creative commons/sensible -- let me know, we can come ot some arangment involving posting things. Yes please! Regards, Peter JR 2009/9/13 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com I did note there was a call for help with rectifying. Are there any plans yet for how this will be done and where the eventual outcome will be hosted? 2009/9/13 Dan Karran d...@karran.net: 2009/9/11 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: JR is preparing the images at the moment and will start loading them up onto Flickr soon and we can then figure out what we can do with them. For anyone interested in the photos, it looks like they're going up at http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/sets/72157622214942341/ They look great! Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!
Hi, yes was about to suggest map warper (warper.geothings.net) it can handle oblique photos, given enough control points (which you'd need for a desktop equivalent) However, the server it's running on is crappy and shared and stingy on processes that need some power, so I've had to restrict it so that its only good for a few images where each image is about 1500x1500. Multiple images can then be stitched together. So would be best for lots of images which can be collaborativley rectified. However, the code is open source, and I have another unrestrcited server available which would be able to work with much larger images. if you would like a bespoke online warper instance. Let me know :) Cheers. Tim http:thinkwhere.wordpress.com (sent from a phone) On Sep 13, 2009 4:04 PM, John Robert Peterson jrp@gmail.com wrote: As for plans for how -- I sent an email to the OAM list for advice, and haven't gotten a reply. As for hosting, that's even more of a mystery. I'm not planning to put them all online in the short term -- while flickr would be able ot hold all 10GB of data, it would be an almost imposable ot access format. If anyone know how to process this type of data, or has even a little info that may be hlpful, please come with it. I had a go with http://warper.geothings.net -- the results were disappointing, and exceedingly slow. It's a good service, but it's designed for rectifying maps, not oblique photos. I have been investigating the possibilities of using something like Panorama Tools / hugin -- they are designed for panoramas, but the idea of auto identifying matching points between a set of images, and using them as the reference points for stitching sounds very appealing. If anyone knows of a way to do this, please help. If anyone wants a copy of the complete data set for anything open source/creative commons/sensible -- let me know, we can come ot some arangment involving posting things. JR 2009/9/13 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com I did note there was a call for help with rectifying. Are there any plans yet for how this ... ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!
@tim waters -- can I assume from the content of you email that you either wrote, or at least understand the code and maths running on warper? If so, if you have time, could you please take a look at the technology implemented in Panorama Tools / Hugin (I'd be happy to help you with it as a user of the software) -- it searches images for comon points, and automatically adds control points between images. this is not directly usable as control points in the sense that warper uses them, but I get the feeling that it's the closest to viable solution i've seen so far. If these 2 concepts were knited together (no pun intended) a managable number of proper contol points could be added accross a whole city to acuratly rectify it as opposed to the 20*600 that are needed as is. Could I also request the adition of control lines, which could be added on roads -- as such roads could be added as controls, even where the ends are not accessable -- even automatically, or is that a pipe dream? Also, can you inform me, does warper have support for correcting barel and pincusion distrotions?, I'm not sure if 3rd order polynomials are able to handle that. in the case of this survey, I chose a lens that had very low distortion for that reason, but other users may not have that option. @peter miller -- you want the whole data set, you can either post me a memory card, and i can post it back or i can post you some dvds. formats available are: high quality jpeg, not sure exactly, but should fit on a DVD; tif/zip 6GB; raw 10GB (not recomended as I've had to contract stretch due some perspex induced contrast issues) Thanks, JR 2009/9/13 Tim Waters (chippy) chippy2...@gmail.com Hi, yes was about to suggest map warper (warper.geothings.net) it can handle oblique photos, given enough control points (which you'd need for a desktop equivalent) However, the server it's running on is crappy and shared and stingy on processes that need some power, so I've had to restrict it so that its only good for a few images where each image is about 1500x1500. Multiple images can then be stitched together. So would be best for lots of images which can be collaborativley rectified. However, the code is open source, and I have another unrestrcited server available which would be able to work with much larger images. if you would like a bespoke online warper instance. Let me know :) Cheers. Tim http:thinkwhere.wordpress.com (sent from a phone) On Sep 13, 2009 4:04 PM, John Robert Peterson jrp@gmail.com wrote: As for plans for how -- I sent an email to the OAM list for advice, and haven't gotten a reply. As for hosting, that's even more of a mystery. I'm not planning to put them all online in the short term -- while flickr would be able ot hold all 10GB of data, it would be an almost imposable ot access format. If anyone know how to process this type of data, or has even a little info that may be hlpful, please come with it. I had a go with http://warper.geothings.net -- the results were disappointing, and exceedingly slow. It's a good service, but it's designed for rectifying maps, not oblique photos. I have been investigating the possibilities of using something like Panorama Tools / hugin -- they are designed for panoramas, but the idea of auto identifying matching points between a set of images, and using them as the reference points for stitching sounds very appealing. If anyone knows of a way to do this, please help. If anyone wants a copy of the complete data set for anything open source/creative commons/sensible -- let me know, we can come ot some arangment involving posting things. JR 2009/9/13 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com I did note there was a call for help with rectifying. Are there any plans yet for how this ... ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!
On 13 Sep 2009, at 22:05, Frankie Roberto wrote: 2009/9/13 John Robert Peterson jrp@gmail.com I'm not planning to put them all online in the short term -- while flickr would be able ot hold all 10GB of data, it would be an almost imposable ot access format. The photos look great btw. Such a nice day for it! Thing this one is my fav so far: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/3909552809/in/set-72157622214942341/ It'll be great to be able to tag individual fields and hedges - this is almost impossible to do from the ground (unless you're a fan of trespassing). I have been playing with warper and here is my first result. It seems to need a good number of control points but it is certainly a useful tool. Can one rectify a number of images and then stitch them together into a single image that can be used in Potlatch I wonder? http://warper.geothings.net/maps/preview/1204 Regards, Peter Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Just got this big apology from Gothy about the dodgy edit in Stratford
Peter Miller wrote: So... the message is that the undo feature may be used by people to take out their own mistakes which is something we haven't discussed until now. It's at times also the only course of action, since dirty reverts are very tricky and the revert scripts plainly refuse them at this time. PS: Changeset 2329425 seems to still be a clean revert at this point. -- Lennard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] A new Flickr group for old out-of-copyright OS Maps
I was lent 65 first-edition 1:500 OS maps of Ipswich dating back to 1882 a couple of days ago which I have now photographed and uploaded to Flickr. I was surprised to find that there was no Flickr group of out-of-copyright OS maps so I created it. The rules I have created says that all maps should be geo-coded, that the photos should be released CCBYSA and that the contributor agrees that the images can also be used to derive mapping for OSM (to cover use under ODBL where there derivation from CCBYSA is less certain. The group is here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1192...@n24/pool/ I have also just rectified one map using Warper. Four control points seemed to do the job very well. http://warper.geothings.net/maps/preview/1205 If anyone has any suggestions about adjusting the rules for the group or wants to be an admin then please let me know. Regards, Peter ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A new Flickr group for old out-of-copyright OS Maps
On 13 Sep 2009, at 22:41, Thomas Wood wrote: These maps are already rectified of course, it's usually good to convert the OS coordinates to Lat/Lons and then set the grid corners as reference points. But my photographs of the maps will have introduced some tilt and other distortions, so it does need some control points. Possibly you are saying that I can calculate the control points from the OS grid references for the corners. That may indeed be true. Quite a few sheets were done this way for Oxford. See http://warper.geothings.net/layers/7 for an example of what's possible. Very nice. Regards, Peter 2009/9/13 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: I was lent 65 first-edition 1:500 OS maps of Ipswich dating back to 1882 a couple of days ago which I have now photographed and uploaded to Flickr. I was surprised to find that there was no Flickr group of out-of-copyright OS maps so I created it. The rules I have created says that all maps should be geo-coded, that the photos should be released CCBYSA and that the contributor agrees that the images can also be used to derive mapping for OSM (to cover use under ODBL where there derivation from CCBYSA is less certain. The group is here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1192...@n24/pool/ I have also just rectified one map using Warper. Four control points seemed to do the job very well. http://warper.geothings.net/maps/preview/1205 If anyone has any suggestions about adjusting the rules for the group or wants to be an admin then please let me know. Regards, Peter ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A new Flickr group for old out-of-copyright OS Maps
2009/9/13 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: On 13 Sep 2009, at 22:41, Thomas Wood wrote: These maps are already rectified of course, it's usually good to convert the OS coordinates to Lat/Lons and then set the grid corners as reference points. But my photographs of the maps will have introduced some tilt and other distortions, so it does need some control points. Possibly you are saying that I can calculate the control points from the OS grid references for the corners. That may indeed be true. Yes, it is a shame that they're too large to be scanned at once, it'd make for a much better image. You seem to have achieved fairly reasonable results with a camera though. -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A new Flickr group for old out-of-copyright OS Maps
On 13 Sep 2009, at 22:55, Thomas Wood wrote: 2009/9/13 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: On 13 Sep 2009, at 22:41, Thomas Wood wrote: These maps are already rectified of course, it's usually good to convert the OS coordinates to Lat/Lons and then set the grid corners as reference points. But my photographs of the maps will have introduced some tilt and other distortions, so it does need some control points. Possibly you are saying that I can calculate the control points from the OS grid references for the corners. That may indeed be true. Yes, it is a shame that they're too large to be scanned at once, it'd make for a much better image. You seem to have achieved fairly reasonable results with a camera though. I would consider getting them scanned, but I have no idea where or how much is costs and I had a camera to hand! I tripod would have helped, but I was keen to get on with it. The plan now is to give the maps to the local records office however I though I would investigate getting the scanned first - or possibly the records office has a suitable scanner. I do know that Steve Chilton has access to one, but then there is the problem of getting them there and there might also be a charge of course. Regards, Peter -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Just got this big apology from Gothy about the dodgy edit in Stratford
I have now reverted this changeset - it went through cleanly and easily. BTW for reverts I do I'm using a different user id from my usual - GuardianAngel is me with a different hat on. I wonder whether you could contact him again Peter and find out what he did that led him to believe he wasn't changing anything - we need to find out why people are making edits they think are harmless. Is the Potlatch edit live, or is there something in the non-live version that's misleading people into saving their edits. (I'm sure you'll be encouraging as well - it's terribly embarrassing for someone when they do this kind of thing). David On 13/09/2009 22:11, Peter Miller wrote: I sent this message to Gothy I am doing some reviewing of Stratford upon Avon and notice that you made some changes on the 31th August and moved various features around. Was this based on sound local knowledge or were you experimenting? if it was an experiment then it worked! The features have been moved and we will need to move them back. If I don't hear from you in the next 24 hours we will attempt to revert the edit. Regards, Peter And got this response a few minutes later Hi Peter, I'm very sorry it was a complete mistake as I experimenting and didn't realise the changes would be permanent. I didn't know how to undo it and I hope it hasn't caused you too much inconvenience. Huge apologies, So... the message is that the undo feature may be used by people to take out their own mistakes which is something we haven't discussed until now. Regards, Peter ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
