Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dan S]

Op ma 28 sep. 2020 om 20:55 schreef Dave F via Talk-GB
:
>
> On 28/09/2020 17:53, Dan S wrote:
> > Hi Rodrigo
> >
> > I think Loomio is designed
> > for the purpose of making good decisions together:
>
> Come again? Why do you think "good decisions" can't be made here? What
> do those who don't wish to join yet another off-shoot do?

Please, Dave, try not to be so shocked by everything. Email is a tool.
Loomio is a tool. Mediawiki is a tool. The designers of Loomio tried
to create a tool specifically for group decision-making. That's all!

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

On 28/09/2020 17:53, Dan S wrote:

Hi Rodrigo

I think Loomio is designed
for the purpose of making good decisions together:


Come again? Why do you think "good decisions" can't be made here? What 
do those who don't wish to join yet another off-shoot do?


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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dan S]

Hi Chris,

Both the wiki, and the Loomio, require a separate log in account which
is not the same as the main OSM account. So the barriers are the same.

I don't think the Loomio is restricted to just OSM UK "official
business" - though I might be wrong! Someone please correct me.

I do agree with you that a vote isn't necessarily all that helpful. It
was one of the original ways that the OSM community started
self-organising its tagging, but because of various limitations it's
very much fallen into disrepair as a way of doing things. I hope that
"good decision-making tools" like Loomio might be a way forward - but
I don't imagine it's a silver bullet.

Best
Dan

Op ma 28 sep. 2020 om 18:31 schreef Chris Hill :
>
> {this time to the list]
>
> And the people who care about OSM and the way imports and automated
> edits affects OSM, but don't use Loomio and are not connected to OSM UK?
> What should they do?
>
> Everyone in OSM has access to the Wiki.
>
> Having said that, I'm not sure what a vote will do. OSM is very clearly
> not a democracy in any sense. Voting tends to give any outcome the
> veneer of consultation and listening to feedback, but in practice so few
> people vote that the process is meaningless.
>
> Chris (chillly)
>
> On 28/09/2020 17:53, Dan S wrote:
> > Hi Rodrigo
> >
> > Before you create a vote on the wiki, can I suggest a different
> > method? "OSM UK" has started using Loomio for discussions and votes,
> > and it generally seems to work out well. I think Loomio is designed
> > for the purpose of making good decisions together:
> > https://www.loomio.org/openstreetmap-uk/
> >
> > I'm sorry, I don't wish to confuse you with tools and differing opinions...
> >
> > Cheers
> > Dan
> >
> > Op ma 28 sep. 2020 om 15:31 schreef Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
> > :
> >> Thanks all of you for your messages.
> >>
> >> As a new joiner, I could not ask for more than other members engaging in 
> >> such a passionate way :)
> >>
> >> It's fair to say that there is no clear consensus of whether the proposal, 
> >> in its current form, is acceptable or not. So, I am going to create a 
> >> voting section on the wiki page to help us visualise what people think
> >>
> >> However, before I do that I would like to reply to a point that was made 
> >> by Andy
> >>
> >> Andy,
> >>
> >> I'm not actually convinced that's a problem - as others have said, web 
> >> browsers are perfectly capable of converting "www.mypub.com" into either 
> >> "https://www.mypub.com"or ""http://www.mypub.com"as appropriate, so this 
> >> doesn't really add any value.  "Letting the browser sort it out" is a 
> >> great approach as it can deal with now/near future things such as removal 
> >> TLS 1.0 and 1.1 support as well.
> >>
> >> This is not true based on my experience. I just tested on the latest 
> >> version of Chrome and Firefox and, if the URL scheme is not specified, 
> >> they both open the the URL using http even if https is also available for 
> >> it.
> >>
> >> You may have experienced a behaviour by which the user gets redirected 
> >> from the http url to the https one but that depends on the configuration 
> >> of the site server which is not always set-up.
> >>
> >> This is also well documented for Firefox here: 
> >> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/URL_Bar_Algorithm
> >>
> >> I see value in updating schemaless :website tags with the https version if 
> >> available.
> >> --
> >> Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
> >>
> >> w: http://rodrigodiez.io
> >> t: @rodrigodiez_pro
> >> p: 00 44 7513 638225
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 13:50, Andy Mabbett  
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:00, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> >>>
>  The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
>  conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
>  "wrong" URLs can be added at any time).
> >>> This seems like an argument for never fixing any error.
> >>>
>  So what your edit does is, it "touches" lots of objects and adds no
>  meaningful information whatsoever.
> >>> This statement is false, not least because in some cases "http://; is
> >>> added, in others "https://;; each of those - and the difference
> >>> between them - conveys meaningful information.
> >>>
>  It creates load on the database
> >>> The level of load is trivial. Have our database maintainers ever said
> >>> that a load of such small magnitude is problematic?
> >>>
>  There are many, many better ways to contribute to OSM than runnning a
>  useless automated conformity edit. Take a notebook or mobile editor, go
>  outside, check if the phone booths on OSM are still there on the ground,
>  add a few opening times, or even trees for that matter - a single hour
>  of such original work is more useful to OSM that what you are proposing
>  here.
> >>> Denigrating another's contribution - a valid and valuable contribution
> >>> - in this manner is antithetical to the spirit in which OSM 

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Chris Hill]

{this time to the list]

And the people who care about OSM and the way imports and automated 
edits affects OSM, but don't use Loomio and are not connected to OSM UK? 
What should they do?


Everyone in OSM has access to the Wiki.

Having said that, I'm not sure what a vote will do. OSM is very clearly 
not a democracy in any sense. Voting tends to give any outcome the 
veneer of consultation and listening to feedback, but in practice so few 
people vote that the process is meaningless.


Chris (chillly)

On 28/09/2020 17:53, Dan S wrote:

Hi Rodrigo

Before you create a vote on the wiki, can I suggest a different
method? "OSM UK" has started using Loomio for discussions and votes,
and it generally seems to work out well. I think Loomio is designed
for the purpose of making good decisions together:
https://www.loomio.org/openstreetmap-uk/

I'm sorry, I don't wish to confuse you with tools and differing opinions...

Cheers
Dan

Op ma 28 sep. 2020 om 15:31 schreef Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
:

Thanks all of you for your messages.

As a new joiner, I could not ask for more than other members engaging in such a 
passionate way :)

It's fair to say that there is no clear consensus of whether the proposal, in 
its current form, is acceptable or not. So, I am going to create a voting 
section on the wiki page to help us visualise what people think

However, before I do that I would like to reply to a point that was made by Andy

Andy,

I'm not actually convinced that's a problem - as others have said, web browsers are perfectly capable of converting 
"www.mypub.com" into either "https://www.mypub.com"or ""http://www.mypub.com"as 
appropriate, so this doesn't really add any value.  "Letting the browser sort it out" is a great approach as it 
can deal with now/near future things such as removal TLS 1.0 and 1.1 support as well.

This is not true based on my experience. I just tested on the latest version of 
Chrome and Firefox and, if the URL scheme is not specified, they both open the 
the URL using http even if https is also available for it.

You may have experienced a behaviour by which the user gets redirected from the 
http url to the https one but that depends on the configuration of the site 
server which is not always set-up.

This is also well documented for Firefox here: 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/URL_Bar_Algorithm

I see value in updating schemaless :website tags with the https version if 
available.
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 13:50, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:00, Frederik Ramm  wrote:


The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
"wrong" URLs can be added at any time).

This seems like an argument for never fixing any error.


So what your edit does is, it "touches" lots of objects and adds no
meaningful information whatsoever.

This statement is false, not least because in some cases "http://; is
added, in others "https://;; each of those - and the difference
between them - conveys meaningful information.


It creates load on the database

The level of load is trivial. Have our database maintainers ever said
that a load of such small magnitude is problematic?


There are many, many better ways to contribute to OSM than runnning a
useless automated conformity edit. Take a notebook or mobile editor, go
outside, check if the phone booths on OSM are still there on the ground,
add a few opening times, or even trees for that matter - a single hour
of such original work is more useful to OSM that what you are proposing
here.

Denigrating another's contribution - a valid and valuable contribution
- in this manner is antithetical to the spirit in which OSM activity
is supposed to be conducted.


Remember: OSM is not an IT project.

Of course it is. "Information technology (IT) is the use of computers
to store, retrieve, transmit, and manipulate data or information." [1]


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

28 wrz 2020, 13:53 od talk-gb@openstreetmap.org:

>
>
> On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
>> conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
>> "wrong" URLs can be added at any time).
>>
>
> Moot. Your claim applies to all tags, all the time. By your logic we might as 
> well not amend anything.
>
Yes, this argument would work as argument
against any type of fix.

fixing case of
 highway=mtorway to highway=motorway
would be useful, despite that it may appear
again and it is possible to add automatic fix
for that

(I am not enthusiastic about this pub edit,
as benefit are minimal but if someone
wants to spend time on that I see nothing
wrong with that)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dan S]

Hi Rodrigo

Before you create a vote on the wiki, can I suggest a different
method? "OSM UK" has started using Loomio for discussions and votes,
and it generally seems to work out well. I think Loomio is designed
for the purpose of making good decisions together:
https://www.loomio.org/openstreetmap-uk/

I'm sorry, I don't wish to confuse you with tools and differing opinions...

Cheers
Dan

Op ma 28 sep. 2020 om 15:31 schreef Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
:
>
> Thanks all of you for your messages.
>
> As a new joiner, I could not ask for more than other members engaging in such 
> a passionate way :)
>
> It's fair to say that there is no clear consensus of whether the proposal, in 
> its current form, is acceptable or not. So, I am going to create a voting 
> section on the wiki page to help us visualise what people think
>
> However, before I do that I would like to reply to a point that was made by 
> Andy
>
> Andy,
>
> I'm not actually convinced that's a problem - as others have said, web 
> browsers are perfectly capable of converting "www.mypub.com" into either 
> "https://www.mypub.com"or ""http://www.mypub.com"as appropriate, so this 
> doesn't really add any value.  "Letting the browser sort it out" is a great 
> approach as it can deal with now/near future things such as removal TLS 1.0 
> and 1.1 support as well.
>
> This is not true based on my experience. I just tested on the latest version 
> of Chrome and Firefox and, if the URL scheme is not specified, they both open 
> the the URL using http even if https is also available for it.
>
> You may have experienced a behaviour by which the user gets redirected from 
> the http url to the https one but that depends on the configuration of the 
> site server which is not always set-up.
>
> This is also well documented for Firefox here: 
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/URL_Bar_Algorithm
>
> I see value in updating schemaless :website tags with the https version if 
> available.
> --
> Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
>
> w: http://rodrigodiez.io
> t: @rodrigodiez_pro
> p: 00 44 7513 638225
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 13:50, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:00, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>>
>> > The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
>> > conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
>> > "wrong" URLs can be added at any time).
>>
>> This seems like an argument for never fixing any error.
>>
>> > So what your edit does is, it "touches" lots of objects and adds no
>> > meaningful information whatsoever.
>>
>> This statement is false, not least because in some cases "http://; is
>> added, in others "https://;; each of those - and the difference
>> between them - conveys meaningful information.
>>
>> > It creates load on the database
>>
>> The level of load is trivial. Have our database maintainers ever said
>> that a load of such small magnitude is problematic?
>>
>> > There are many, many better ways to contribute to OSM than runnning a
>> > useless automated conformity edit. Take a notebook or mobile editor, go
>> > outside, check if the phone booths on OSM are still there on the ground,
>> > add a few opening times, or even trees for that matter - a single hour
>> > of such original work is more useful to OSM that what you are proposing
>> > here.
>>
>> Denigrating another's contribution - a valid and valuable contribution
>> - in this manner is antithetical to the spirit in which OSM activity
>> is supposed to be conducted.
>>
>> > Remember: OSM is not an IT project.
>>
>> Of course it is. "Information technology (IT) is the use of computers
>> to store, retrieve, transmit, and manipulate data or information." [1]
>>
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology
>>
>> --
>> Andy Mabbett
>> @pigsonthewing
>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

On 28/09/2020 15:29, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:

Thanks all of you for your messages.

As a new joiner, I could not ask for more than other members engaging 
in such a passionate way :)


It's fair to say that there is no clear consensus of whether the 
proposal, in its current form, is acceptable or not. So, I am going to 
create a voting section on the wiki page to help us visualise what 
people think


However, before I do that I would like to reply to a point that was 
made by Andy


Andy,

/I'm not actually convinced that's a problem - as others have said, 
*web browsers are perfectly capable of converting "www.mypub.com 
" into either "https://www.mypub.com; 
or ""http://www.mypub.com; 
as appropriate*, so this doesn't really add any 
value. "Letting the browser sort it out" is a great approach as it can 
deal with now/near future things such as removal TLS 1.0 and 1.1 
support as well./


This is not true based on my experience. I just tested on the latest 
version of Chrome and Firefox and, if the URL scheme is not specified, 
they both open the the URL using http even if https is also available 
for it.


An example is Overpass Turbo which has three different pages:
https://overpass-turbo.eu/
http://overpass-turbo.eu/
www.overpass-turbo.eu/

If you've previously run different routines on each you'll see it 
displays them for each URL (tested on Firefox latest)


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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Rodrigo Díez Villamuera]

Thanks all of you for your messages.

As a new joiner, I could not ask for more than other members engaging in
such a passionate way :)

It's fair to say that there is no clear consensus of whether the proposal,
in its current form, is acceptable or not. So, I am going to create a
voting section on the wiki page to help us visualise what people think

However, before I do that I would like to reply to a point that was made by
Andy

Andy,

*I'm not actually convinced that's a problem - as others have said, web
browsers are perfectly capable of converting "www.mypub.com
" into either "https://www.mypub.com;
or ""http://www.mypub.com; as
appropriate, so this doesn't really add any value.  "Letting the browser
sort it out" is a great approach as it can deal with now/near future things
such as removal TLS 1.0 and 1.1 support as well.*

This is not true based on my experience. I just tested on the latest
version of Chrome and Firefox and, if the URL scheme is not specified, they
both open the the URL using http even if https is also available for it.

You may have experienced a behaviour by which the user gets redirected from
the http url to the https one but that depends on the configuration of the
site server which is not always set-up.

This is also well documented for Firefox here:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/URL_Bar_Algorithm

I see value in updating schemaless :website tags with the https version if
available.
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 13:50, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:00, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>
> > The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
> > conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
> > "wrong" URLs can be added at any time).
>
> This seems like an argument for never fixing any error.
>
> > So what your edit does is, it "touches" lots of objects and adds no
> > meaningful information whatsoever.
>
> This statement is false, not least because in some cases "http://; is
> added, in others "https://;; each of those - and the difference
> between them - conveys meaningful information.
>
> > It creates load on the database
>
> The level of load is trivial. Have our database maintainers ever said
> that a load of such small magnitude is problematic?
>
> > There are many, many better ways to contribute to OSM than runnning a
> > useless automated conformity edit. Take a notebook or mobile editor, go
> > outside, check if the phone booths on OSM are still there on the ground,
> > add a few opening times, or even trees for that matter - a single hour
> > of such original work is more useful to OSM that what you are proposing
> > here.
>
> Denigrating another's contribution - a valid and valuable contribution
> - in this manner is antithetical to the spirit in which OSM activity
> is supposed to be conducted.
>
> > Remember: OSM is not an IT project.
>
> Of course it is. "Information technology (IT) is the use of computers
> to store, retrieve, transmit, and manipulate data or information." [1]
>
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology
>
> --
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> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

Three things to note:
SO3166-1=GB is misnomered & includes Northern Ireland. (As I found out, 
some contributors there get annoyed with UK wide edits). You may want to 
use area(id:3600058447,3600058437,3600058446); // England Wales Scotland 
instead.


Many pubs are mapped as ways/relations so node won't return the full 
amount. Use nwr instead.


If you need the output to be as individual nodes use 'out center' option.

area["ISO3166-1"=GB];
rel(pivot)->.UK;
nwr(area)[amenity=pub][website][website!~"http"];
out center;
.UK out geom;

DaveF

On 27/09/2020 16:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:

Hi all,

First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and 
to thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!


After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step 
as a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.


Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with a 
proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community 
conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes on 
the way. Be merciful! :P


To the point now.

I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with 
amenity:pub) for a pet project.


When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a 
website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).


Ie: www.mypub.com  rather than 
http://www.mypub.com or https://www.mypub.com


This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website. 



I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these 
nodes to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag the 
nodes.


I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it here 
.


Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your 
feedback, comments and advises on how to proceed from here


Thanks in advance!








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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:00, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
> conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
> "wrong" URLs can be added at any time).

This seems like an argument for never fixing any error.

> So what your edit does is, it "touches" lots of objects and adds no
> meaningful information whatsoever.

This statement is false, not least because in some cases "http://; is
added, in others "https://;; each of those - and the difference
between them - conveys meaningful information.

> It creates load on the database

The level of load is trivial. Have our database maintainers ever said
that a load of such small magnitude is problematic?

> There are many, many better ways to contribute to OSM than runnning a
> useless automated conformity edit. Take a notebook or mobile editor, go
> outside, check if the phone booths on OSM are still there on the ground,
> add a few opening times, or even trees for that matter - a single hour
> of such original work is more useful to OSM that what you are proposing
> here.

Denigrating another's contribution - a valid and valuable contribution
- in this manner is antithetical to the spirit in which OSM activity
is supposed to be conducted.

> Remember: OSM is not an IT project.

Of course it is. "Information technology (IT) is the use of computers
to store, retrieve, transmit, and manipulate data or information." [1]


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

On 28/09/2020 10:56, Philip Barnes wrote:

On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 10:10 +0100, Mark Goodge wrote:

On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote:


Remember: OSM is not an IT project.

Indeed not. But this is also a good example of the truism that OSM
is
not a map, it's a database. Having the right data in the database
matters. Fixing clear and obvious errors, such as invalid URLs in a
"website" tag, seems to me to be a worthwhile project if someone is
prepared to put the time and effort into doing it.


Although in my experience the concept of pubs having websites is kind
of dated, typically online communication with customers is via facebook
these days.


Anything other than your experience, as mine is the opposite. Facebook 
is for short lifespan messages not information which needs to be 
repeatedly accessed (menus, opening times etc)

Simply fixing invalid urls is not really a solution, the question needs
to be asked is this data still valid and rather than a mechanical fix
these entries need to be visited and checked.


Two, separate endeavours.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 28.09.20 13:53, Dave F wrote:
> Anyone can contribute to OSM in ways that best suits them.
> He's here asking for advice & guidance

... and that's what he got from me. You're free to give different
advice, though I didn't find yours convincing in any way.

In my opinion the improvement that can be made by investing one hour in
a survey - any survey really - far outweighs the improvement that can be
made by investing one hour in automatically adding a string of
characters to a certain tag. And even besides that, I am not alone in
recommending that anyone getting more involved with OSM should do some
mapping first, before they embark on anything else. Just to know what
we're about.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Rodrigo,

On 27.09.20 17:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:

After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as
a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.

If your first idea of "how to contribute to OSM" is "how to write a
script that runs an automated edit on the body of OSM data", then
something is amiss!


Anyone can contribute to OSM in ways that best suits them.
He's here asking for advice & guidance & appears to be following the 
rules..



The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
"wrong" URLs can be added at any time).


Moot. Your claim applies to all tags, all the time. By your logic we 
might as well not amend anything.



Anyone consuming OSM data must
be able to work with URLs that miss a schema, and indeed today any
browser can do that.


I noted links without http or www. ie zonzorestaurant.com isn't 
recognized by OSM website, but is interpreted by web browsers.



So what your edit does is, it "touches" lots of objects and adds no
meaningful information whatsoever.


Conformity, accuracy.


  It creates load on the database;


Seriously? For how long?


it creates a new version of every object you touch which, informationally
speaking, is identical to the old version. It produces larger diff
files, larger history files, and on top of that runs the risk of making
data look more current than it is ("oh, this pub has last been changed
by someone two months ago, so surely it will still be in business" when
in fact the last OSMer who saw that pub with their own eyes did so five
years ago).


These are nit-picking excuses, that occur with all edits.

Unsure why some are against improving the quality of the database, 
especially by automated/mass edit*. Having one user amend hundreds of 
tags is the same as have hundreds of contributors amending individual 
tags, except there're all  checkable within one changeset & can *easily* 
be reverted if required.


* Please remember those who conceived this anti mass edit ruling were 
the ones who messed up the US TIGER import & couldn't be bothered to fix it.




There are many, many better ways to contribute to OSM than runnning a
useless automated conformity edit. Take a notebook or mobile editor, go
outside, check if the phone booths on OSM are still there on the ground,
add a few opening times, or even trees for that matter - a single hour
of such original work is more useful to OSM that what you are proposing
here.


This is my retort to the requests to join OSMF & sit through long, 
tedious committee meetings.

Again, we contribute to OSM in the way which best suits us.


Remember: OSM is not an IT project.


Tell that to the organisers/speakers at State of the Maps


DaveF

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Andy Townsend]

On 27/09/2020 16:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:


I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with 
amenity:pub) for a pet project.


Firstly - welcome!




When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a 
website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).


Ie: www.mypub.com  rather than 
http://www.mypub.com  or https://www.mypub.com 



I'm not actually convinced that's a problem - as others have said, web 
browsers are perfectly capable of converting "www.mypub.com" into either 
"https://www.mypub.com"or ""http://www.mypub.com"as appropriate, so this 
doesn't really add any value.  "Letting the browser sort it out" is a 
great approach as it can deal with now/near future things such as 
removal TLS 1.0 and 1.1 support as well.





This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website. 



Unfortunately, OSM's wiki doesn't always reflect actual usage and this 
is one example.  Changing "www.mypub.com" to "https://www.mypub.com; 
doesn't really add any value unless you're actually updating something 
else about the pub.  Actually, using "www.mypub.com" has some advantages 
here as it allows the user's web browser to negotiate https if available 
(the default nowadays) but fall back to http if not.




I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these 
nodes to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag the 
nodes.


I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it here 
.



What would be rather more interesting would be detecting websites that 
"don't or no longer represent the pub" in some way:


 * Perhaps the pub had a website, but now has new tenants, and they now
   communicate with customers on the facebook page?
 * Perhaps the website is (like one of your examples) just for the brewery?
 * Perhaps the website now points at domain parking?
 * Perhaps the https certificate has expired, which at the very least
   indicates that the website is unlikely to be kept up to date?

Any problems found would likely need to be resolved manually, but some 
at least of the above should be detectable automatically.


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Andy Townsend]

On 28/09/2020 10:25, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:


Anyone know if there's a way to at least use a UK based server or to 
conveniently ping multiple websites directly? 


In this case I don't see how that helps - it wouldn't detect domain 
parking pages, which is usually where a domain goes after the business 
that registers it folds and the domain has actual words in it (often the 
case here I suspect).


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Philip Barnes]

On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 10:10 +0100, Mark Goodge wrote:
> 
> On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> 
> > Remember: OSM is not an IT project.
> 
> Indeed not. But this is also a good example of the truism that OSM
> is 
> not a map, it's a database. Having the right data in the database 
> matters. Fixing clear and obvious errors, such as invalid URLs in a 
> "website" tag, seems to me to be a worthwhile project if someone is 
> prepared to put the time and effort into doing it.
> 
Although in my experience the concept of pubs having websites is kind
of dated, typically online communication with customers is via facebook
these days.

Simply fixing invalid urls is not really a solution, the question needs
to be asked is this data still valid and rather than a mechanical fix
these entries need to be visited and checked. Easy at the moment as any
valid site will have recent covid (table service/one way systems and
facemask information).

A simple sanity check of the three examples, and my browser does click
through without an issue.

The first does appear to be valid, although part of a large chain hence
the pub hence has IT support.

The second https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/20940218 leads to an
invalid url so a simple fix would be wrong.

The third https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/21648679 leads to the pub
operating companys site, a url should be for the actual object not the
owning company. 

All of the examples I note are from Cambridge, which is certainly not
typical of the UK in general.

Phil (trigpoint)




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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Rodrigo Díez Villamuera]

Thanks for your replies,

Frederik thanks for your reply and advice as well. I know it comes from a
good place and from the experience of working on this project, which I
respect.

However, please allow me to humbly disagree with the overall message as I
think it makes some assumptions, generalizations and false dilemmas. Also
please take my comments on a constructive way

The fact that I am addressing this community to talk about a specific
proposal does not mean that my contribution to OSM will be limited to it.

Your comment seems to assume that the fix will be temporary and dismiss it
for it, but my idea is for this change to be a first baby step which
hopefully can evolve into a more permanent and recurrent process. By
dismissing the former because of its limited usage we are killing the later.

"Anyone consuming OSM data must be able to work with URLs that miss a
schema", from an engineering perspective we are introducing lots of
unnecessary work to the project ecosystem, especially consumers. A problem
that can be solved easily in origin is ignored and we force all consumers
to implement workaround independently potentially leading to
inconsistencies in how users see OSM data. I myself had to implement a
temporary workaround.

Another wrong assumption is that :website tags are only consumed by
browsers. This is definitely not the case.

Regarding the overhead and load in the database, I confess that I am not
quite familiar with the implications of an edit like that. Thanks for
pointing it out, I will definitely try to get more familiar with it

I have to disagree with your comment regarding the changes adding "no
meaninful information whatsoever". With a 22% of websites that can be
migrated to an https scheme and being http highly discouraged and
considered plainly unsafe by all major browsers, these changes will
positively impact end users and the owners of the amenities themselves.

You say that there are multiple better ways to contribute to OSM and this,
although it may be 100% true IMHO is a false dilemma. The fact that I am
proposing to fix an issue in the data does not imply my contribution will
end there.

Think for a second about the content of your message if who was reading it
was an impaired person who can't go outside with a notebook and browse pubs
around but rather has to stay at home with IT being their only way of
contribute to the project. This is not my case, but, did you know about it
beforehand?



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On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:28, Dave F via Talk-GB 
wrote:

> On 27/09/2020 19:35, Andrew Hain wrote:
>
> Keep Right flags web links that have gone offline.
>
>
> Unfortunately it doesn't really do that. After a discussion with the
> developer I found out it tests whether a server in central Europe has a
> link to the UK URLs not if the actual link is current. I was coming across
> far too many time consuming false-positives for it to be useful.
>
> Anyone know if there's a way to at least use a UK based server or to
> conveniently ping multiple websites directly?
>
> DaveF
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew
> --
> *From:* Philip Barnes  
> *Sent:* 27 September 2020 18:49
> *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add
> missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites
>
> On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and to
> thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!
>
> After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a
> contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.
>
> Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with a
> proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community
> conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes on the
> way. Be merciful! :P
>
> To the point now.
>
> I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with amenity:pub)
> for a pet project.
>
> When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a
> website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).
>
> Ie: www.mypub.com rather than http://www.mypub.com or
> https://www.mypub.com
>
> This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website.
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website>
>
> I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these nodes
> to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag the nodes.
>
> I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it here
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/rodrigodi

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[ndrw]

On 27/09/2020 16:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:

Hi all,

First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and 
to thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!


After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step 
as a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.


Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with a 
proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community 
conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes on 
the way. Be merciful! :P


To the point now.

I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with 
amenity:pub) for a pet project.


When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a 
website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).


Ie: www.mypub.com  rather than 
http://www.mypub.com or https://www.mypub.com


This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website. 




The proposed procedure looks good and since the scale is so small (127 
records) it's not very different from performing it by hand. IMHO it's a 
good mini project for starting your journey with osm.



I would go a step further though:

"If no valid scheme is found, do nothing" - that's OK, but as the next 
step please could you *manually* verify these links and either fix them 
or add a fixme tag.


Ndrw



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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

On 27/09/2020 19:35, Andrew Hain wrote:

Keep Right flags web links that have gone offline.


Unfortunately it doesn't really do that. After a discussion with the 
developer I found out it tests whether a server in central Europe has a 
link to the UK URLs not if the actual link is current. I was coming 
across far too many time consuming false-positives for it to be useful.


Anyone know if there's a way to at least use a UK based server or to 
conveniently ping multiple websites directly?


DaveF




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*From:* Philip Barnes 
*Sent:* 27 September 2020 18:49
*To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: 
Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:

Hi all,

First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and 
to thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!


After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step 
as a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.


Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with 
a proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community 
conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes 
on the way. Be merciful! :P


To the point now.

I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with 
amenity:pub) for a pet project.


When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a 
website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema 
(http/https).


Ie: www.mypub.com <http://www.mypub.com> rather than 
http://www.mypub.com <http://www.mypub.com> or https://www.mypub.com


This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website. 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website>


I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these 
nodes to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag 
the nodes.


I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it here 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/rodrigodiez/Add_missing_URL_scheme_to_pub_websites_in_UK>.


Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your 
feedback, comments and advises on how to proceed from here


One issue I can think of with pubs and websites is that they need 
checking to ensure they are still current.


The defacto method most pubs use to communicate with customers is 
facebook.


A more general fix of urls missing http(s)://, why only pubs?.  is 
probably a maproulette quest.


Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dan S]

Thank you Frederik - that's a good way to put it all.

Welcome Rodrigo! You'll find that Frederik's advice fits pretty well
to a common strand of thinking in OpenStreetMap. His advice is
surprising, for many of us joining OSM from an IT background (or even
a Wikipedia background, where automated edits are more widespread).
But please do take some time to think about his advice.

Best wishes
Dan

Op ma 28 sep. 2020 om 10:02 schreef Frederik Ramm :
>
> Rodrigo,
>
> On 27.09.20 17:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:
> > After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as
> > a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.
>
> If your first idea of "how to contribute to OSM" is "how to write a
> script that runs an automated edit on the body of OSM data", then
> something is amiss!
>
> The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
> conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
> "wrong" URLs can be added at any time). Anyone consuming OSM data must
> be able to work with URLs that miss a schema, and indeed today any
> browser can do that.
>
> So what your edit does is, it "touches" lots of objects and adds no
> meaningful information whatsoever. It creates load on the database; it
> creates a new version of every object you touch which, informationally
> speaking, is identical to the old version. It produces larger diff
> files, larger history files, and on top of that runs the risk of making
> data look more current than it is ("oh, this pub has last been changed
> by someone two months ago, so surely it will still be in business" when
> in fact the last OSMer who saw that pub with their own eyes did so five
> years ago).
>
> There are many, many better ways to contribute to OSM than runnning a
> useless automated conformity edit. Take a notebook or mobile editor, go
> outside, check if the phone booths on OSM are still there on the ground,
> add a few opening times, or even trees for that matter - a single hour
> of such original work is more useful to OSM that what you are proposing
> here.
>
> Remember: OSM is not an IT project.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Mark Goodge]

On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote:


Remember: OSM is not an IT project.


Indeed not. But this is also a good example of the truism that OSM is 
not a map, it's a database. Having the right data in the database 
matters. Fixing clear and obvious errors, such as invalid URLs in a 
"website" tag, seems to me to be a worthwhile project if someone is 
prepared to put the time and effort into doing it.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Frederik Ramm]

Rodrigo,

On 27.09.20 17:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:
> After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as
> a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.

If your first idea of "how to contribute to OSM" is "how to write a
script that runs an automated edit on the body of OSM data", then
something is amiss!

The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
"wrong" URLs can be added at any time). Anyone consuming OSM data must
be able to work with URLs that miss a schema, and indeed today any
browser can do that.

So what your edit does is, it "touches" lots of objects and adds no
meaningful information whatsoever. It creates load on the database; it
creates a new version of every object you touch which, informationally
speaking, is identical to the old version. It produces larger diff
files, larger history files, and on top of that runs the risk of making
data look more current than it is ("oh, this pub has last been changed
by someone two months ago, so surely it will still be in business" when
in fact the last OSMer who saw that pub with their own eyes did so five
years ago).

There are many, many better ways to contribute to OSM than runnning a
useless automated conformity edit. Take a notebook or mobile editor, go
outside, check if the phone booths on OSM are still there on the ground,
add a few opening times, or even trees for that matter - a single hour
of such original work is more useful to OSM that what you are proposing
here.

Remember: OSM is not an IT project.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Rodrigo Díez Villamuera]

Thanks for your replies!

Regarding the question of why I am proposing to fix only pubs in this run.
I think it would be good to try this script with a reduced scope of nodes
first before raising a more global conversation. I imagine changesets will
be easy to retrieve and un-do.

Worth mentioning that, for the majority of the nodes affected, the websites
are not incorrect per-se, but they are not URLs because they miss a scheme.
This will cause problems to consumers depending on how they use the field
(I first noticed this issue when passing the :website tag to a third party
library which complained about this)

I ran the script on a local database and I have some numbers:

For a total of 159 :amenity=pub nodes with missing scheme on their :website

- 41 (~26%) can be updated with https as a scheme (safer for the end-user)
- 92 (~58%) don't work on https but http can be added as a scheme
- 26 (~16%) seem to be offline, not accessible neither on http or https
(maybe they can be automatically tagged for fixing? thoughts?)

How do I proceed from here? I have a small subset of nodes to test the
proposal with, I have tried the script locally with good results and I
believe the proposal makes the dataset better for consumers and safer for
end-users by adding an https URL to websites that support it

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 19:38, Andrew Hain 
wrote:

> Keep Right flags web links that have gone offline.
>
> --
> Andrew
> --
> *From:* Philip Barnes 
> *Sent:* 27 September 2020 18:49
> *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add
> missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites
>
> On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and to
> thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!
>
> After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a
> contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.
>
> Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with a
> proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community
> conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes on the
> way. Be merciful! :P
>
> To the point now.
>
> I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with amenity:pub)
> for a pet project.
>
> When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a
> website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).
>
> Ie: www.mypub.com rather than http://www.mypub.com or
> https://www.mypub.com
>
> This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website.
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website>
>
> I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these nodes
> to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag the nodes.
>
> I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it here
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/rodrigodiez/Add_missing_URL_scheme_to_pub_websites_in_UK>
> .
>
> Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your
> feedback, comments and advises on how to proceed from here
>
> One issue I can think of with pubs and websites is that they need checking
> to ensure they are still current.
>
> The defacto method most pubs use to communicate with customers is facebook.
>
> A more general fix of urls missing http(s)://, why only pubs?.  is
> probably a maproulette quest.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Andrew Hain]

Keep Right flags web links that have gone offline.

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From: Philip Barnes 
Sent: 27 September 2020 18:49
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing 
URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:
Hi all,

First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and to thank 
you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!

After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a 
contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.

Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with a proposal 
and, although I have done my best reading the community conventions and best 
practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes on the way. Be merciful! :P

To the point now.

I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with amenity:pub) for a 
pet project.

When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a website: 
tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).

Ie: www.mypub.com<http://www.mypub.com> rather than http://www.mypub.com or 
https://www.mypub.com

This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for 
website.<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website>

I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these nodes to 
find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag the nodes.

I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it 
here<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/rodrigodiez/Add_missing_URL_scheme_to_pub_websites_in_UK>.

Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your feedback, 
comments and advises on how to proceed from here

One issue I can think of with pubs and websites is that they need checking to 
ensure they are still current.

The defacto method most pubs use to communicate with customers is facebook.

A more general fix of urls missing http(s)://, why only pubs?.  is probably a 
maproulette quest.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Philip Barnes]

On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and
> to thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!
> 
> After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step
> as a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.
> 
> Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with
> a proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community
> conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes
> on the way. Be merciful! :P
> 
> To the point now.
> 
> I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with
> amenity:pub) for a pet project.
> 
> When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a
> website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema
> (http/https).
> 
> Ie: www.mypub.com rather than http://www.mypub.com or 
> https://www.mypub.com
> 
> This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website.
> 
> I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these
> nodes to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag
> the nodes.
> 
> I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it
> here.
> 
> Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your
> feedback, comments and advises on how to proceed from here
> 
One issue I can think of with pubs and websites is that they need
checking to ensure they are still current. 

The defacto method most pubs use to communicate with customers is
facebook.

A more general fix of urls missing http(s)://, why only pubs?.  is
probably a maproulette quest.

Phil (trigpoint)


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[Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Rodrigo Díez Villamuera]

Hi all,

First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and to
thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!

After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a
contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.

Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with a
proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community
conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes on the
way. Be merciful! :P

To the point now.

I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with amenity:pub)
for a pet project.

When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a
website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).

Ie: www.mypub.com rather than http://www.mypub.com or https://www.mypub.com

This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website.


I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these nodes
to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag the nodes.

I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it here

.

Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your
feedback, comments and advises on how to proceed from here

Thanks in advance!








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