Re: [Talk-es] [Geo-inquietos Madrid] Mapping Raymi para mapear la amazonía en OSM

2015-01-19 Per discussione Johnattan Rupire

Hola!
Aquí la nota en la web del medialab:
http://medialab-prado.es/article/mapazoniamappingraymienmadrid

y otros links...
http://mapazonia.org/
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapazonia
http://cuidadora.ourproject.org
http://osmpe.ourproject.org/2015/01/19/mapping-raymi-mapazonia-24-enero/

Saludos!

El 16/01/15 a las 14:01, Yansa Tejada Mengibar escribió:

Hola a todos!

Por motivos personales/laborales he estado bastante desvinculada, pero 
ahora que vuelvo a disponer de tiempo, me gustaria participar.


¿A que hora es la convocatoria? No he visto nada en  la agenda de 
medialab del día 24/01


saludos y besos

Yansa

El 14 de enero de 2015, 22:57, Johnattan Rupire jarja...@riseup.net 
mailto:jarja...@riseup.net escribió:


Estimadas/os maperas/os
desde la comunidad OSMpe participaremos en el proyecto Mapazonía
[1] que ha sido impulsado desde la comunidad latinoamericana de
OSM. En una reunión realizada hace un par de días decidimos
realizar Mapping Raymi [2] simultáneas en algunas ciudades de
Perú, inicialmente en Lima y Ayacucho; también propuse extender
una sede en Madrid, así que este correo es para invitar a quienes
quieran participar en esta jornada de mapeo transoceánico.

Tenemos una sala en el Medialab Prado, para reunirnos y poder
trabajar, así que todas las personas que quieran participar son
bienvenidas, también sus ideas y propuestas para mejorar el
proyecto, como no puede ser de otra manera...

La fecha es el día sábado *24 de enero*. Aun cuando queda poco
tiempo para realizarse la actividad espero que puedan incluirla en
sus agendas :)

Hago extensivo un saludo de parte de la comunidad de OSM en Perú.

Saludos!!!

[1] http://mapazonia.org/
[2] Mapping Raymi: le pusimos así a una de las primeras
actividades de mapeo que realizamos en Lima, por combinar un poco
del inglés Mapping con el quechua Raymi de celebración o
fiesta :)

http://osmpe.ourproject.org/2012/11/24/mapping-raymi-apredende-a-hacer-mapas-en-osm-desde-cero-24-nov-2012/
Es nuestra versión de la mapping party




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Re: [Talk-br] Kekanto usando OSM sem créditos

2015-01-19 Per discussione Wille
A mapbox vende apenas o serviço de tiles, o que não é o mapa pronto. 
Os desenvolvedores de cada empresa vão programar seus mapas, usando essa 
tile layer (e talvez outras) como base.


Por padrão, o mapboxjs, a leafletjs e a openlayers, algumas das 
principais bibliotecas, já vem com os créditos nos exemplos e na 
documentação. A mapbox já demonstrou preocupação com isso, inclusive:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21847
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21769

On 19-01-2015 23:02, Jose Carlos Medeiros wrote:


Se a empresa para para o MapBox, e ele hospeda as imagens, não deveria 
ser ele a colocar os créditos direto no mapa, já que criou um serviço 
que utiliza dados do OSM?
Como uma empresa vai saber que tem de colocar os créditos do OSM, 
sendo que já esta pagando para outra, no caso o MapBox?


[]'s
José Carlos

Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 22:46, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br 
mailto:wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu:


A questão não é pagar. Todos os três sites usam o serviço de tiles
da MapBox que é pago (o plano gratuito dá direito a apenas 3000
visualizações do mapa por mês). Não colocaram o crédito
provavelmente por falta de conhecimento da licença do OSM ou
resolveram não respeitar deliberadamente .


On 19-01-2015 22:41, Lists wrote:

Este mostrando 2 coisas

1) Pessoas, organizações, e empresas não quer pagar por “um mapa
no site”
2) Mesmo credenciar, que e tao simples e difícil por eles (medo
de tanque pagar?)

Aun Johnsen


On Jan 19, 2015, at 20:24, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com
mailto:tarci...@ymail.com wrote:

A imagem foi essa

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/bonecolagato/open20street20maps_zps886f0b54.png.
On 19-01-2015 20:11, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

Interessante...
Compartilha o /print/ aí, pra ver se alguém diz qual foi a macumba!
ahuahauahua

Alexandre Magno

Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 18:59, Tarcisio Oliveira
tarci...@ymail.com mailto:tarci...@ymail.com escreveu:

A Kekanto me respondeu, mandou um print mostrando que já
esta atribuindo os crédito, mas na página não aparece.
Vou entrar em contato novamente para corrigirem.


On 17-01-2015 21:13, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

Acho que, além do apelo jurídico implícito que já está
nessas solicitações, vale acrescentar um apelo emocional
explícito, no sentido do convencimento de que devolver
os créditos é promover a melhoria de um produto que eles usam.

Alexandre Magno





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Re: [Talk-us] ARNOLD highway data

2015-01-19 Per discussione Elliott Plack
Alex,

This looks promising and I'm interested to see where the community goes
with it. I just briefly looked at the data schema and there are some useful
attributes that would make for some great information. I'll look at it a
bit more before I take a position.

Kindly,

Elliott

On Mon Jan 19 2015 at 10:44:20 PM Alex Barth a...@openstreetmap.us wrote:

 The emerging ARNOLD national highway database by the US DOT is possibly
 interesting for people here. It does contain OSM relevant data. This blog
 post goes back to Thomas Roff from DOT reaching out to OSM US to explore
 areas of mutual benefit. The directions Martijn and I discussed with him
 were

 a) listening to OSM changes to help improve the ARNOLD dataset (with or
 without a previous import of ARNOLD data) - a little bit like this is set
 up for NYC http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/23588
 b) using OSM software for data management

 Martijn, Thomas - please add where I missed something.

 Both are blue sky ideas and wouldn't be executed by OpenStreetMap US as
 this is not our place.

 I'm sharing this here for everybody's consideration and comments.

 http://openstreetmap.us/2014/12/arnold-for-osm/

 Cheers -

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa Mercia events

2015-01-19 Per discussione Rob Nickerson
Missing link :-)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Events


On 19 January 2015 at 21:54, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi All,

 I've sketched out a blank template of upcoming Mappa Mercia events so that
 everyone knows the dates of our future meets. April's is on the day before
 Good Friday so we may want to consider moving that one closer to the date
 if it is apparent that attendance will be low.

 SUGGESTIONS: Please suggest mapping locations. We had a lot of success
 mapping Shenstone [1] last year as this turned out to be a perfect size for
 us to map in one evening.

 Best,
 Rob

 [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.6364/-1.8386

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Re: [Talk-br] Kekanto usando OSM sem créditos

2015-01-19 Per discussione Lists
Este mostrando 2 coisas

1) Pessoas, organizações, e empresas não quer pagar por “um mapa no site”
2) Mesmo credenciar, que e tao simples e difícil por eles (medo de tanque 
pagar?)

Aun Johnsen

 On Jan 19, 2015, at 20:24, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com wrote:
 
 A imagem foi essa 
 http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/bonecolagato/open20street20maps_zps886f0b54.png.
 On 19-01-2015 20:11, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:
 Interessante...
 Compartilha o print aí, pra ver se alguém diz qual foi a macumba!
 ahuahauahua
 
 Alexandre Magno
 
 Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 18:59, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com 
 mailto:tarci...@ymail.com escreveu:
 A Kekanto me respondeu, mandou um print mostrando que já esta atribuindo os 
 crédito, mas na página não aparece.
 Vou entrar em contato novamente para corrigirem.
 
 
 On 17-01-2015 21:13, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:
 Acho que, além do apelo jurídico implícito que já está nessas solicitações, 
 vale acrescentar um apelo emocional explícito, no sentido do convencimento 
 de que devolver os créditos é promover a melhoria de um produto que eles 
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Re: [Talk-br] Kekanto usando OSM sem créditos

2015-01-19 Per discussione Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros
Interessante...
Compartilha o *print* aí, pra ver se alguém diz qual foi a macumba!
ahuahauahua

Alexandre Magno

Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 18:59, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com
escreveu:

  A Kekanto me respondeu, mandou um print mostrando que já esta atribuindo
 os crédito, mas na página não aparece.
 Vou entrar em contato novamente para corrigirem.


 On 17-01-2015 21:13, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

  Acho que, além do apelo jurídico implícito que já está nessas
 solicitações, vale acrescentar um apelo emocional explícito, no sentido do
 convencimento de que devolver os créditos é promover a melhoria de um
 produto que eles usam.

  Alexandre Magno


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Re: [Talk-br] Kekanto usando OSM sem créditos

2015-01-19 Per discussione Wille
na página dos estabelecimentos agora aparecem os créditos, exemplo: 
http://br.kekanto.com/biz/the-fifties-15


mas em outras páginas, como as dos bairros e cidades, não:
http://br.kekanto.com/sp/sao-paulo/moema
http://br.kekanto.com/sp/sao-paulo/bares-baladas-e-vida-noturna/865

Achei mais um caso, mas esse internacional: http://lanyrd.com. Usa 
bastante os mapas e não colocou crédito em nenhuma página.


On 19-01-2015 21:24, Tarcisio Oliveira wrote:
A imagem foi essa 
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/bonecolagato/open20street20maps_zps886f0b54.png.

On 19-01-2015 20:11, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

Interessante...
Compartilha o /print/ aí, pra ver se alguém diz qual foi a macumba!
ahuahauahua

Alexandre Magno

Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 18:59, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com 
mailto:tarci...@ymail.com escreveu:


A Kekanto me respondeu, mandou um print mostrando que já esta
atribuindo os crédito, mas na página não aparece.
Vou entrar em contato novamente para corrigirem.


On 17-01-2015 21:13, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

Acho que, além do apelo jurídico implícito que já está nessas
solicitações, vale acrescentar um apelo emocional explícito, no
sentido do convencimento de que devolver os créditos é
promover a melhoria de um produto que eles usam.

Alexandre Magno





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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa Mercia events

2015-01-19 Per discussione Matthijs Melissen
Hi all,

Some suggestions:

- In Coventry there's always a lot to do, and there are not so many
local mappers, so I'd suggest to revisit Coventry.
- The Black Country also has gotten less attention than other places.
It's probably best to meet somewhere along the railway or tramway.
Would Tipton be suitable?
- Stourbridge
- Within Birmingham there are also some areas that are mapped less
densely, such as around Small Heath and Handsworth. Perhaps not the
nicest areas, but I'm sure we'd be able to find a pub somewhere around
there. The advantage of staying in the city is of course that we don't
have too much travel time.

I have the impression that Saturday meetings seem to have a higher
turnout than evening meetings, as they also allow people from a bit
further afield to join. Maybe we could also plan again one or two
Saturday meetings in the Summer?

Best regards,
Matthijs

On 19 January 2015 at 21:54, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 I've sketched out a blank template of upcoming Mappa Mercia events so that
 everyone knows the dates of our future meets. April's is on the day before
 Good Friday so we may want to consider moving that one closer to the date if
 it is apparent that attendance will be low.

 SUGGESTIONS: Please suggest mapping locations. We had a lot of success
 mapping Shenstone [1] last year as this turned out to be a perfect size for
 us to map in one evening.

 Best,
 Rob

 [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.6364/-1.8386

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[talk-ph] Fwd: [HOT] Missing Maps Field Roster

2015-01-19 Per discussione maning sambale
Hi,

No doubt, there are people here who can assist the MissingMaps Project.


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Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 7:43 AM
Subject: [HOT] Missing Maps Field Roster
To: h...@openstreetmap.org h...@openstreetmap.org


Hi All,

Today we are launching the Missing Maps Field Roster(1). With the
growth of the Missing Maps Project there is a need to have an existing
roster of people able to teach OSM and mapping as part of the Missing
Maps Project(2). The idea is to have a roster of pre-screen
individuals that can be asked to go assist with Missing Maps projects.
Sometimes projects come up quickly and we wanted to have a fair way to
select individuals to go.

To apply please read the qualifications on HOT's website(1) and then
send your CV/resume to ap...@hotosm.org and fill out the application
form available here(3).

Best,

-Kate

(1) http://hot.openstreetmap.org/get_involved/missing_maps_field_roster
(2) http://www.missingmaps.org/
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Re: [Talk-br] Kekanto usando OSM sem créditos

2015-01-19 Per discussione Wille
A questão não é pagar. Todos os três sites usam o serviço de tiles da 
MapBox que é pago (o plano gratuito dá direito a apenas 3000 
visualizações do mapa por mês). Não colocaram o crédito provavelmente 
por falta de conhecimento da licença do OSM ou resolveram não respeitar 
deliberadamente .


On 19-01-2015 22:41, Lists wrote:

Este mostrando 2 coisas

1) Pessoas, organizações, e empresas não quer pagar por “um mapa no site”
2) Mesmo credenciar, que e tao simples e difícil por eles (medo de 
tanque pagar?)


Aun Johnsen

On Jan 19, 2015, at 20:24, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com 
mailto:tarci...@ymail.com wrote:


A imagem foi essa 
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/bonecolagato/open20street20maps_zps886f0b54.png.

On 19-01-2015 20:11, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

Interessante...
Compartilha o /print/ aí, pra ver se alguém diz qual foi a macumba!
ahuahauahua

Alexandre Magno

Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 18:59, Tarcisio Oliveira 
tarci...@ymail.com mailto:tarci...@ymail.com escreveu:


A Kekanto me respondeu, mandou um print mostrando que já esta
atribuindo os crédito, mas na página não aparece.
Vou entrar em contato novamente para corrigirem.


On 17-01-2015 21:13, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

Acho que, além do apelo jurídico implícito que já está nessas
solicitações, vale acrescentar um apelo emocional explícito, no
sentido do convencimento de que devolver os créditos é
promover a melhoria de um produto que eles usam.

Alexandre Magno





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Re: [Talk-br] Kekanto usando OSM sem créditos

2015-01-19 Per discussione Lists
No verdade, nao e necessário coloque o credito em cima do quadrado do tiles, 
mas preciso ser junto com a mapa e logicamente visível como credito. Pode por 
exemplo ser em baixo do mapa, num “infobox” ao lado da mapa e tal. MapBox como 
um empresa comercial vender o serviço, mas o client e responsável. 
Juridicamente, MapBox pode ser chamado como responsável junto com o cliente, 
mas nunca em vez de cliente.

Aun Johnsen

 On Jan 19, 2015, at 22:21, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br wrote:
 
 A mapbox vende apenas o serviço de tiles, o que não é o mapa pronto. Os 
 desenvolvedores de cada empresa vão programar seus mapas, usando essa tile 
 layer (e talvez outras) como base.
 
 Por padrão, o mapboxjs, a leafletjs e a openlayers, algumas das principais 
 bibliotecas, já vem com os créditos nos exemplos e na documentação. A mapbox 
 já demonstrou preocupação com isso, inclusive: 
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21847 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21847
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21769 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21769
 
 On 19-01-2015 23:02, Jose Carlos Medeiros wrote:
 
 Se a empresa para para o MapBox, e ele hospeda as imagens, não deveria ser 
 ele a colocar os créditos direto no mapa, já que criou um serviço que 
 utiliza dados do OSM?
 Como uma empresa vai saber que tem de colocar os créditos do OSM, sendo que 
 já esta pagando para outra, no caso o MapBox?
 
 []'s
 José Carlos
 
 Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 22:46, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br 
 mailto:wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu:
 A questão não é pagar. Todos os três sites usam o serviço de tiles da MapBox 
 que é pago (o plano gratuito dá direito a apenas 3000 visualizações do mapa 
 por mês). Não colocaram o crédito provavelmente por falta de conhecimento da 
 licença do OSM ou resolveram não respeitar deliberadamente .
 
 
 On 19-01-2015 22:41, Lists wrote:
 Este mostrando 2 coisas
 
 1) Pessoas, organizações, e empresas não quer pagar por “um mapa no site”
 2) Mesmo credenciar, que e tao simples e difícil por eles (medo de tanque 
 pagar?)
 
 Aun Johnsen
 
 On Jan 19, 2015, at 20:24, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com 
 mailto:tarci...@ymail.com wrote:
 
 A imagem foi essa 
 http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/bonecolagato/open20street20maps_zps886f0b54.png.
 On 19-01-2015 20:11, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:
 Interessante...
 Compartilha o print aí, pra ver se alguém diz qual foi a macumba!
 ahuahauahua
 
 Alexandre Magno
 
 Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 18:59, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com 
 mailto:tarci...@ymail.com escreveu:
 A Kekanto me respondeu, mandou um print mostrando que já esta atribuindo 
 os crédito, mas na página não aparece.
 Vou entrar em contato novamente para corrigirem.
 
 
 On 17-01-2015 21:13, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:
 Acho que, além do apelo jurídico implícito que já está nessas 
 solicitações, vale acrescentar um apelo emocional explícito, no sentido 
 do convencimento de que devolver os créditos é promover a melhoria de 
 um produto que eles usam.
 
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Re: [Talk-br] Kekanto usando OSM sem créditos

2015-01-19 Per discussione Tarcisio Oliveira
A imagem foi essa 
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/bonecolagato/open20street20maps_zps886f0b54.png.

On 19-01-2015 20:11, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

Interessante...
Compartilha o /print/ aí, pra ver se alguém diz qual foi a macumba!
ahuahauahua

Alexandre Magno

Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 18:59, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com 
mailto:tarci...@ymail.com escreveu:


A Kekanto me respondeu, mandou um print mostrando que já esta
atribuindo os crédito, mas na página não aparece.
Vou entrar em contato novamente para corrigirem.


On 17-01-2015 21:13, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

Acho que, além do apelo jurídico implícito que já está nessas
solicitações, vale acrescentar um apelo emocional explícito, no
sentido do convencimento de que devolver os créditos é promover
a melhoria de um produto que eles usam.

Alexandre Magno





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Re: [Talk-br] Kekanto usando OSM sem créditos

2015-01-19 Per discussione Jose Carlos Medeiros
Se a empresa para para o MapBox, e ele hospeda as imagens, não deveria ser
ele a colocar os créditos direto no mapa, já que criou um serviço que
utiliza dados do OSM?
Como uma empresa vai saber que tem de colocar os créditos do OSM, sendo que
já esta pagando para outra, no caso o MapBox?

[]'s
José Carlos

Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 22:46, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu:

  A questão não é pagar. Todos os três sites usam o serviço de tiles da
 MapBox que é pago (o plano gratuito dá direito a apenas 3000 visualizações
 do mapa por mês). Não colocaram o crédito provavelmente por falta de
 conhecimento da licença do OSM ou resolveram não respeitar deliberadamente .


 On 19-01-2015 22:41, Lists wrote:

 Este mostrando 2 coisas

  1) Pessoas, organizações, e empresas não quer pagar por “um mapa no site”
 2) Mesmo credenciar, que e tao simples e difícil por eles (medo de tanque
 pagar?)

  Aun Johnsen

  On Jan 19, 2015, at 20:24, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com wrote:

  A imagem foi essa
 http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/bonecolagato/open20street20maps_zps886f0b54.png
 .
 On 19-01-2015 20:11, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

  Interessante...
  Compartilha o *print* aí, pra ver se alguém diz qual foi a macumba!
  ahuahauahua

  Alexandre Magno

 Em 19 de janeiro de 2015 18:59, Tarcisio Oliveira tarci...@ymail.com
 escreveu:

  A Kekanto me respondeu, mandou um print mostrando que já esta atribuindo
 os crédito, mas na página não aparece.
 Vou entrar em contato novamente para corrigirem.


 On 17-01-2015 21:13, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:

   Acho que, além do apelo jurídico implícito que já está nessas
 solicitações, vale acrescentar um apelo emocional explícito, no sentido do
 convencimento de que devolver os créditos é promover a melhoria de um
 produto que eles usam.

  Alexandre Magno




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[OSM-talk-fr] Besoin d'un intervenant pour présentation OSM proche Valenciennes (59)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Brice MALLET

Bonjour,

Suite à sensibilisation de ma part, la Communauté d'agglomération de la 
Porte du Hainaut (http://www.agglo-porteduhainaut.fr) organise un 
atelier d'initiation OSM à l'attention d'une 20aine d'animateurs 
multimédia de son réseau d'Espaces Numériques de Proximité 
(http://www.agglo-porteduhainaut.fr/Vie-numerique/Espaces-Numeriques-de-Proximite-Cyber-base.html).


Cette initiation aurait lieu le mardi 24 février de 14h00 à 16h30 et 
serait suivie de 2 nouvelles séances au printemps 2015.
J’avais envisagé d'assurer cette présentation mais c'est trop compliqué 
car je suis sur Paris.


Un contributeur expert sur le Nord Pas-de-Calais souhaiterait-il prendre 
le relais avec cette collectivité ?

Paiement possible à hauteur de 250 €.

Possible de me contacter en direct ; après échanges, je ferai la mise en 
relation avec la Communauté d'agglomération de la Porte du Hainaut.


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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione Paul Johnson
In that case, it sounds like the penndot blade sign refs are similar to
Oregon's highways as opposed to routes, in which I have to wonder where
the added value is in having these even mapped.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:48 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 Well, with keeping it as 'ref:penndot', it would allow some of the outside
 cases where the internal route numbers on the primary system have a
 different number on the little white signs.  As an example, take a look at
 PA-380 [1].  It's internal number is SR-400 since 'SR-380' is applied to
 I-380.  This is one of a few cases like this.  Another example like this is
 PA-99 [2] which is officially SR-699 because I-99 has the 'SR-99' number
 (but wasn't always the case as both shared it for awhile till 2008).  Even
 PA-283 is 'SR-300' because I-283 is 'SR-283' [3].  I think there are a few
 other cases like this, but I can't recall them right now, but some of them
 might be split state routes where one half is the base number, and the
 other half another number if there is no chance of them being joined.

 -James

 [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_380
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_380
 [2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_99
 [3] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Route_283

  To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
  From: m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us
  Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 13:06:14 -0800
  Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes
 
  On 2015-01-16 07:52, Paul Johnson wrote:
   I'm very much in favor of PA instead of SR for disambiguation purposes.
 
  With James' proposal to change `ref` to `ref:penndot` (or something even
  more explicit like `ref:penndot:quadrant`), there's no need for
  disambiguation. A prefix of PA isn't going to solve the problem of
  mappers conflating PennDOT's two networks either.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione Paul Johnson
Are they actually separate networks, though?  Just because there's more
digits doesn't a different network make.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us
wrote:

 On 2015-01-16 07:52, Paul Johnson wrote:

 I'm very much in favor of PA instead of SR for disambiguation purposes.


 With James' proposal to change `ref` to `ref:penndot` (or something even
 more explicit like `ref:penndot:quadrant`), there's no need for
 disambiguation. A prefix of PA isn't going to solve the problem of
 mappers conflating PennDOT's two networks either.

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Re: [Talk-de] TagFinder - eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OSM Tags (Prototyp)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Andreas Labres
On 19.01.15 18:06, Stefan Keller wrote:
 Am 19. Januar 2015 um 17:30 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at:
 * Irgendwie weiß man nicht, in welcher Sprache man grade mit dem Tool
 interagiert. Das sollte irgendwie leicht auswählbar sein.
 Rechts oben steht eine Flagge und Deutsch. Meintest du das?

Ja, offensichtlich habe ich das komplett übersehen! Ich denke, wenn ich die
Seite aufrufe, konzentriere ich mich unwillkürlich auf das Eingabefeld. Eine
Flagge hätte ich dort in der Nähe gesucht.

 * Die Ergebnisse sollten eine sinnvolle Reihenfolge haben, z.B. eine Suche 
 nach
 Arzt sollte das treffendste amenity=doctors *weit* vor dem /Fehler/
 amenity=doctor liefern!
 Es gibt eine Reihenfolge: Zuerst diejenigen Tags, in denen der
 Suchbegriff direkt im Key oder Value vorkommt.

Naja, grade der Suchbegriff Arzt zeigt, dass da grob das Falsche herauskommt!
Zu betonen wären Hits innerhalb der description des Templates (oder im
ersten Absatz oder in der category (wieder Hinweis auf Hierarchien).

Hier hätte unbedingt amenity=doctors der erste  hervorgehobene Treffer sein
müssen, das amenity=doctor (wie gesagt, ein bekannter Fehler) hätte man eher
verschweigen sollen (oder nur ganz unten unter ferner liefen anführen).
Vielleicht wäre das auch über das Wiki erlernbar (für die Software), wenn man
konsequent eine common errors Sektion einführt. Oder man macht im Wiki eine
Ausnahmen-Seite ein, wo solche Besonderheiten aufgeführt sind (z.B. mit
Einträgen der Art ignore amenity=doctor).

 Was sinnvoll bzw. richtig ist, kann fast nur ein Mensch entscheiden.

Nein. Wenn ein tag-Hit gefunden wird und dort doctor in der description
gefunden wird, ist das ein richtiger Tag.

Und auch bei der Unterscheidung: 'Es gibt zwei Hits, wo doctor in der Value
vorkommt (mal doctor, mal doctors), welcher ist der richtige?'
muss der Hit den Vorrang haben, zu dem es auch einen Tag-Eintrag im Wiki gibt!
Aber wie gesagt, mir scheint die description im Wiki wichtiger als die Value
eines Tags.

 Wie soll das System entscheiden, welche der 100% treffende Ergebnisse
 zu wählen ist?

Ähm, wo kommt auf den Wiki-Seiten
* Tag:sport=archery
* Tag:military=range
das Wort Praxis vor? Da kann ja nur irgendeine Fuzzy-Suche zugeschlagen haben,
das meinte ich mit: 100%ig ist ein übereinstimmender Hit, nix fuzzy.

 * Das Ding sollte Hierarchien verstehen und entsprechend anschaulich/leicht
 fasslich darstellen, z.B. eine Suche nach Wohnstraße findet ja richtig den 
 Tag
 highway=living_street und den Key highway, es sollte dem Nutzer aber auch 
 sofort
 klar sein, dass der Key der Überbegriff ist, der Tag das konkrete 
 (passende)
 Key/Value-Paar.
 Das ist ein sehr interessanter Aspekt:
 Nur schon wie wir solche Modellierungs-Dinge nennen sollten, ist mir unklar.

Ich stelle mir das so vor:

Wenn ich nach Wohnstraße suche, ist der passendste Hit:
DE:Tag:highway=living_street (übrigens würde ich mir einen Link auf die DE-Seite
wünschen, wenn Sprache Deutsch und die DE-Seite vorhanden). Und dann könnte man
die hierarchische Einordnung angeben, also DE:Key:highway, dann die
group/Gruppe (idF wieder Highway).

   Tag: highway=living_street
   +--- Key: highway=*
  +--- Gruppe: highway (also Straßen/Wege)

 Ich nehme an, du meinst Hierarchien im Sinne der OSM-Tags?
 Begriffshierarchien kennt der TagFinder über einen eigens erstellten
 Thesaurus (Bevorzugter Begriff, Überbegriff, Unterbegriff).
 Bei OSM ist es leider nicht immer so, dass der Key der Überbegriff ist
 (z.B. bei building=yes)...

   Tag: building=house
   +--- Key: building=*
  +--- Gruppe: Man made

Zusatztags, sind wieder ein eigenes Thema, da müßte man wohl erst eine
Hierarchie heraussuchen, also

   Key: maxspeed=*
   +--- Zusatztag zu Key: highway=*
  +--- Gruppe: highway (also Straßen/Wege)

oder

   Tag: cycleway=opposite lane
   +--- Key: cycleway=*
  +--- Zusatztag zu Key: highway=*
 +--- Gruppe: highway (also Straßen/Wege)

Übrigens wäre auch schön, wenn man leicht (z.B. durch unterschiedliches Layout)
erfassen könnte, was ein Key und was ein Value Eintrag ist.

/al


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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa Mercia events

2015-01-19 Per discussione Rob Nickerson
Hi All,

I've sketched out a blank template of upcoming Mappa Mercia events so that
everyone knows the dates of our future meets. April's is on the day before
Good Friday so we may want to consider moving that one closer to the date
if it is apparent that attendance will be low.

SUGGESTIONS: Please suggest mapping locations. We had a lot of success
mapping Shenstone [1] last year as this turned out to be a perfect size for
us to map in one evening.

Best,
Rob

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.6364/-1.8386
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Re: [Talk-br] Kekanto usando OSM sem créditos

2015-01-19 Per discussione Tarcisio Oliveira
A Kekanto me respondeu, mandou um print mostrando que já esta atribuindo 
os crédito, mas na página não aparece.

Vou entrar em contato novamente para corrigirem.

On 17-01-2015 21:13, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros wrote:
Acho que, além do apelo jurídico implícito que já está nessas 
solicitações, vale acrescentar um apelo emocional explícito, no 
sentido do convencimento de que devolver os créditos é promover a 
melhoria de um produto que eles usam.


Alexandre Magno

Em 17 de janeiro de 2015 15:55, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br 
mailto:wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu:


O Kekanto também está usando o OSM sem nenhum crédito:
http://kekanto.com

Quem quiser um texto de exemplo para mandar pra eles:

Sou membro da comunidade OpenStreetMap e vi que vocês estão
utilizando nossos mapas em seu site. Consideramos excelente que
nossos mapas estejam sendo utilizados, no entanto é necessário
adicionar créditos ao OpenStreetMap no mapa. Para mais
informações, veja: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright

É possível entrar em contato com eles por esses dois links (já
enviei nos dois, mas é sempre bom mais gente solicitar os créditos):
http://br.kekanto.com/bug
http://ajuda.kekanto.com/anonymous_requests/new



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Re: [Talk-de] Abwesenheitsnotiz

2015-01-19 Per discussione mail
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

vom 19.01. bis einschließlich 23.01.2015 befinde ich mich im Urlaub.
In dieser Zeit werden Ihre Mails nicht weitergeleitet.
In dringenden Fällen bin ich über mein Handy zu erreichen.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Martin Scholtes



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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione Minh Nguyen

On 2015-01-19 01:30, Minh Nguyen wrote:

On 2015-01-19 00:50, Paul Johnson wrote:

Are they actually separate networks, though?  Just because there's more
digits doesn't a different network make.


What distinguishes the various networks that a given agency maintains?
For our purposes, I think we're most interested in:

1. Significant differences in signage (signage type, shield designs,
bannered routes)
2. Potential overlaps in numbering

Given the extra digits, #2 is unlikely, but the quadrant routes are
signed very differently than ordinary state routes. It looks like
they're only indicated as secondary information on out-of-the-way
mile-markerish signs. (It also appears that conventionally one is
prefixed PA while the other is prefixed SR.)

For example, here's a directional sign for PA 443:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4176740362/

There's a quadrant route number on the marker beneath it. It's the
four-digit number next to SR, above 210. Unlike PA 443, SR 3009
is inappropriate for how OSM clients use the `ref` tag. It might be
worth mapping inasmuch as bridge inventory numbers are worth mapping,
but I agree with James that we should keep mappers from conflating the
two systems. And if the solution starts with `ref:penndot`, there's no
need to square that with route networks in other states. :-)


Forgot to mention: 3009 was just a guess based on [1]. My vision isn't 
*that* good.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_443

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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione James Mast
 US:PA:Turnpike (possibly only one member?)
There are 3 routes in that (not counting the mainline PA Turnpike relation).

PA Turnpike 43
PA Turnpike 66
PA Turnpike 576 (Future I-576 maybe when it connects to I-79 in 2019, or maybe 
in the distant future when it connects to PA Turnpike 43)


There were two others, but they are now both signed as Interstates.

PA 9 (this never got the current 'PA Turnpike' signage, just a normal Keystone 
shield before it became an Interstate)  I-476 (in 1996)
PA Toll 60 (Toll was in the top of the normal Keystone shield)  PA Turnpike 60 
 I-376 (in 2009)

-James
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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione James Mast
They all already have those types of relations.

And the master relation for all of them is here: Pennsylvania Turnpike Network 
(3075726)  https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3075726 

-James

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 04:49:59 -0600
From: ba...@ursamundi.org
To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
CC: m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us; talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

OK, so three, possibly four, routes that could have US:PA:Turnpike relations.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:45 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote:



 US:PA:Turnpike (possibly only one member?)
There are 3 routes in that (not counting the mainline PA Turnpike relation).

PA Turnpike 43
PA Turnpike 66
PA Turnpike 576 (Future I-576 maybe when it connects to I-79 in 2019, or maybe 
in the distant future when it connects to PA Turnpike 43)


There were two others, but they are now both signed as Interstates.

PA 9 (this never got the current 'PA Turnpike' signage, just a normal Keystone 
shield before it became an Interstate)  I-476 (in 1996)
PA Toll 60 (Toll was in the top of the normal Keystone shield)  PA Turnpike 60 
 I-376 (in 2009)

-James
  



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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione Paul Johnson
Alright, in that case, I'm throwing my support into retagging ref=SR 
in Pennsylvania to ref:penndot=* en masse, since it's at least an edge-case
useful tag to those familiar with the system but not particularly useful or
obvious for the average user.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:28 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 Fully agree with you there Paul.  Just have to watch out for those few
 'rare' exceptions to the rule I mentioned before for the future
 'ref:penndot' tag where some mainline route have different 'SR' numbers in
 the white boxes.

 -James

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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 05:15:38 -0600
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 To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
 CC: m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us; talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

 The ref should be what appears on the keystone shields.  I believe a
 quick at-a-glance sanity check would suggest that any ref outside the range
 of PA 3 and PA 999 is probably incorrect or a ref:penndot.


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[OSM-talk-nl] SBI code gebruiken om winkels op de kaart te zetten?

2015-01-19 Per discussione Marc Zoutendijk
Taglocator [1] maakte duidelijk dat er nog plaatsen zijn waar geen enkele 
winkel op de kaart is terug te vinden.
Om dat met de hand allemaal te gaan oplossen is een klus van oneindige duur, 
vandaar dat Stefan de Konink met een voorstel kwam om dat middels de SBI code 
uit de openKvK te gaan doen.

Die discussie is hier na te lezen:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=29622

Daar vind je ook alle verwijzingen naar de betreffende documentatie en wiki.
Dat ga ik hier niet allemaal herhalen.

Marc.


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Re: [Talk-dk] Relaxed/strict match på Nominatim-søgninger

2015-01-19 Per discussione Jørgen Elgaard Larsen
Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen skrev:
 jeg søger på vestre strandvej tjæreborg og får ingen resultater
[...]
 Nominatim opfatter vejen som en del af Sønderby (Type: place:hamlet),

Det er desværre et generelt problem med adressesøgning: Alle vores
adressenoder indeholder postnummer og by - men de bruges næsten ikke af
søgemaskiner og navigationssoftware. I stedet prøver de at gætte,
hvilken by, en adresse hører til i.

Det er til dels en konsekvens af, at vi ikke har mappet postdistrikter i
Danmark. Det er der flere grunde til:

1) Postdistrikter i Danmark er ikke en fysisk grænse, og er ikke
   skiltet i virkeligheden.

2) Don't map for the renderer.

3) Tidligere har den eneste kilde til postdistrikter været under en
   problematisk licens.

Hvad angår 1) mener jeg ikke, at der er forskel på postdistrikter og
f.x. kommunegrænser.

Jeg mener generelt, at 2) er en meget vigtig regel. Omvendt lader det
til, at det er undtagelsen, at renderen kan finde ud af at kigge på
addr:city. Så det her er lidt et grænsetilfælde.

I forhold til 3) så kan man nu finde polygoner for postnumre på DAWA.
Som vi tidligere har diskuteret om f.x. FOT-data, så er det muligvis
uklart, om licensen vil muliggøre import i OSM.


Hvad mener I andre - bør vi mappe postdistrikter i Danmark, og kan vi
importere dem fra DAWA?




Hvad angår Nominatim's strictness: Jeg er helt enig med dig - men der er
ikke så meget, vi kan gøre ved det på denne liste. Det rigtige er at
indberette en forslag gennem Nominatim's bugtracker:

https://trac.openstreetmap.org/query?status=newstatus=assignedstatus=reopenedcomponent=nominatimorder=iddesc=1

Der er allerede flere indberetninger, der handler om det samme.

Hvis man kigger på udviklingsplanerne for Nominatim
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/Version2), kan man se, at
det er på tegnebrættet. Men det er et spørgsmål om, hvordan det kan
implementeres effektivt:

* (TODO) 'Did you means' Suggestions. Can't use standard - too many
   words and phrases (too slow) - so:

High level admin features only?
Modified levenshtein btree?
Geographic indexing of suggestions?
Word context based indexing?



Men jeg har indberettet søgningen på addr:city:
  https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/5270


- Jørgen

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] touching inner rings détecté par OSM Inspector

2015-01-19 Per discussione Romain MEHUT
Bonjour,

Le 15 janvier 2015 15:46, sly (sylvain letuffe) lis...@letuffe.org a
écrit :

 On jeudi 15 janvier 2015, Romain MEHUT wrote:
  c'est à dire qu'il utilise un segment de landuse pour l'attribuer dans
 deux
  relations définissant les landuses contigus. C'est compliqué les choses
 là
  où ce n'est pas nécessaire...

 J'ai peur que l'on ne puisse pas trancher le c'est compliquer les choses,
 c'est affaire de goûts, d'outils et d'habitudes.
 A titre personnel, j'enrage quand je dois découdre puis re-coudre des
 polygones de landuse qui se superposent sur des centaines de noeuds, j'ai
 l'impression de devoir tout coudre 2 fois ou parfois de devoir cliquer
 comme
 un parkinsonien car les outils de duplication/fusion me perdent.
 J'imagine que pour toi, c'est l'inverse ;-)

 Bref, je préfère la solution du multi-polygon (sans touching inners ou
 outers), sans doute car j'ai morflé longtemps sur les limites
 admininistratives et que je me suis habitué. Le bosquet d'arbre de 7
 noeuds ne
 suffira pas à me motiver pour sortir les relations mais au delà de 50
 noeuds
 ou des 6 morceaux de frontière, oui.


Tu aurais un exemple sous la main?

Merci.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Snizovani kvality dat pri importu RUIAN/LPIS

2015-01-19 Per discussione Petr Souček
Dobrý den, napište mi prosím lokalitu, nechám to prověřit na příslušném
katastrálním pracovišti. Děkuji Petr Souček

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From: Martin Janda [mailto:jan...@crcdata.cz] 
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 9:53 PM
To: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Snizovani kvality dat pri importu RUIAN/LPIS

Zjistil jsem ze v RUIAN jsou spatne zenesene garaze. Misto toho aby uzivatel
Salamander nahlasil chybu naimportoval chybne polygony se spatnym tagovanim
aniz by zkontroloval skutecny stav. Polygony garazi pred jeho zmenami byly
spravne. 
  Jiz jsem mu poslal zpravu (nevim jestli zareaguje). Navrhuji provect
revert na jeho changesety a nareportovat  problem do RUIAN. 

 Dekuji
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] WM Boundary relations

2015-01-19 Per discussione Andy Robinson
Nice one  Brian.

 

Should be pretty easy to filter all the ways with an overpass query and then 
just do a mass change for each boundary in one go. I can’t look at the mo but 
could do so in Feb if nobody does it beforehand. 

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 19 January 2015 14:53
To: OSM Group WM
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] WM Boundary relations

 

Hi everyone

I've changed all the boundary relations in the former county of the West 
Midlands to admin level 6 as they are Metropolitan District Councils with 
Unitary Authority status. I've not changed any boundary WAYS as that is a 
massive job. I think that we  really don't need the ways any longer as the 
relations will get rendered, but that's another discussion entirely and a 
tedious job to do. But perhaps we'd better do it to avoid confusing software 
and humans

Regards

Brian

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Re: [Talk-de] TagFinder - eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OSM Tags (Prototyp)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Stefan Keller
Danke für die Tipps.

Wir haben tatsächlich die Infos aus dem Taginfo API entnommen. Ich
schaue mal, was sich machen lässt - nun auch im Taginfo Code.

@Michael: Klar ist klar, dass man Thumbnails nehmen sollte, falls vorhanden :-)
Wer's ganz ohne Bilder haben will, nutzt die TagFinder API.
Aber höchste Prio. hat das nicht, da es ja primär (Desktop) Webapp ist
und keine Mobile Webapp.
Vielmehr interessiert mich, ob die inhaltlichen Resultate und die
dargebotenen Infos des TagFinders den Erwartungen entsprechen...

LG, -S.




Am 19. Januar 2015 um 16:44 schrieb Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org:
 On Mo, Jan 19, 2015 at 04:31:48 +0100, Michael Kugelmann wrote:
 Am 18.01.2015 um 23:52 schrieb Stefan Keller:
 Am 18. Januar 2015 um 23:17 schrieb Joachim Kast osm...@dd1gj.de:
 Für die Thumbnail-Darstellung wird ein
 Bild von 1.704px × 2.272px und einer Größe von 1,8 MB heruntergeladen.
 Schmalband-Anbindungen machen da schlapp.
 Hmm, stimmt.
 Ist aber etwas schwierig für den Empfänger, das vorauszusehen :-) !??
 Grundsatz: Thumbnails sind klein zu halten = sollten nicht als das große
 Bild übertragen werden sondern eine andere Datei sein, ganz einfach.
 Typische Lösung könnte sein: Pfad zum Bild: xyz/datei.jpg Pfad zum
 Thumbnail: xyz/thumbnail/datei.jpg .   Solche Dinge sind IMHO eigentlich
 basics beim Gestalten von Tools oder Webseiten...

 Ich stimme Dir zu, dass klar sein sollte, dass man die Thumbnails verwendet.

 Aber leider ist das nicht so einfach mit dem Mediawiki. Man kann nicht einfach
 aus der Bild-URL die Thumbnail-URL berechnen. Das liegt daran, dass man Bilder
 aus Wikimedia Commons einbinden kann und da ist das alles etwas anders. 
 Details
 weiss ich auch nicht mehr genau, aber ich hab in Taginfo extra einbauen 
 müssen,
 dass er die Thumbnail-URL über die Wikimedia-API vom Server sich geben läßt,
 weil es nicht funktionierte nur die URL anzupassen.

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[Talk-it] Codemotion Roma 2015

2015-01-19 Per discussione Germano Massullo
Sono stato contattato da una persona che collabora con Mozilla Italia,
che si è presa la responsabilità di trovare diverse comunità che
vogliano avere uno stand al Codemotion Roma 2015.
Mi è stato riferito che lo stand è fornito gratuitamente solo se è
interattivo col pubblico con dei contest o delle gare mentre per le
proposte di talk c'è la CFP aperta fino al 27 gennaio.
La cosa importante è che vogliono la disponibilità per tutta la durata
dell'evento, in poche parole la postazione non deve rimanere sguarnita.
Chi è interessato a partecipare?
Personalmente facendo parte di più community coinvolte, non potrò
assicurare la mia presenza esclusiva allo stand di OSM


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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] WM Boundary relations

2015-01-19 Per discussione Brian Prangle
Hi everyone

I've changed all the boundary relations in the former county of the West
Midlands to admin level 6 as they are Metropolitan District Councils with
Unitary Authority status. I've not changed any boundary WAYS as that is a
massive job. I think that we  really don't need the ways any longer as the
relations will get rendered, but that's another discussion entirely and a
tedious job to do. But perhaps we'd better do it to avoid confusing
software and humans

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-de] TagFinder - eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OSM Tags (Prototyp)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Michael Kugelmann

Am 18.01.2015 um 23:52 schrieb Stefan Keller:

Am 18. Januar 2015 um 23:17 schrieb Joachim Kast osm...@dd1gj.de:

Für die Thumbnail-Darstellung wird ein
Bild von 1.704px × 2.272px und einer Größe von 1,8 MB heruntergeladen.
Schmalband-Anbindungen machen da schlapp.

Hmm, stimmt.
Ist aber etwas schwierig für den Empfänger, das vorauszusehen :-) !??
Grundsatz: Thumbnails sind klein zu halten = sollten nicht als das 
große Bild übertragen werden sondern eine andere Datei sein, ganz einfach.
Typische Lösung könnte sein: Pfad zum Bild: xyz/datei.jpg Pfad zum 
Thumbnail: xyz/thumbnail/datei.jpg .   Solche Dinge sind IMHO eigentlich 
basics beim Gestalten von Tools oder Webseiten...



Grüße,
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Re: [Talk-de] TagFinder - eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OSM Tags (Prototyp)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Jochen Topf
On Mo, Jan 19, 2015 at 04:31:48 +0100, Michael Kugelmann wrote:
 Am 18.01.2015 um 23:52 schrieb Stefan Keller:
 Am 18. Januar 2015 um 23:17 schrieb Joachim Kast osm...@dd1gj.de:
 Für die Thumbnail-Darstellung wird ein
 Bild von 1.704px × 2.272px und einer Größe von 1,8 MB heruntergeladen.
 Schmalband-Anbindungen machen da schlapp.
 Hmm, stimmt.
 Ist aber etwas schwierig für den Empfänger, das vorauszusehen :-) !??
 Grundsatz: Thumbnails sind klein zu halten = sollten nicht als das große
 Bild übertragen werden sondern eine andere Datei sein, ganz einfach.
 Typische Lösung könnte sein: Pfad zum Bild: xyz/datei.jpg Pfad zum
 Thumbnail: xyz/thumbnail/datei.jpg .   Solche Dinge sind IMHO eigentlich
 basics beim Gestalten von Tools oder Webseiten...

Ich stimme Dir zu, dass klar sein sollte, dass man die Thumbnails verwendet.

Aber leider ist das nicht so einfach mit dem Mediawiki. Man kann nicht einfach
aus der Bild-URL die Thumbnail-URL berechnen. Das liegt daran, dass man Bilder
aus Wikimedia Commons einbinden kann und da ist das alles etwas anders. Details
weiss ich auch nicht mehr genau, aber ich hab in Taginfo extra einbauen müssen,
dass er die Thumbnail-URL über die Wikimedia-API vom Server sich geben läßt,
weil es nicht funktionierte nur die URL anzupassen.

Jochen
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] WM Boundary relations

2015-01-19 Per discussione Ed Loach
Brian wrote:

 I've not changed any boundary WAYS as that is a massive job. I think that we 
 really don't need the ways any longer as the relations will get rendered, but 
 that's another discussion entirely and a tedious job to do. But perhaps we'd 
 better do it to avoid confusing software and humans

I've done it - my boundary analyser that generates the data for 
http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/boundaries/
allows me (when run manually rather than as a scheduled task) to open just the 
boundary ways which should have the specified admin level (but don't) in JOSM.

I used to 'fix' these nationally on a fairly regular basis, decided they were 
optional, so stopped doing so. However, I believe it makes rendering easier if 
they are specified and 'correct' based on the boundary relations they are in.

I've tried to restrict the ones I've changed today to just those in the West 
Midlands area, but may have got any that are in the same bbox but outside the 
region. I updated 47 ways:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/28255092

Ed


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[Talk-us] Coloado mapping party on Saturday

2015-01-19 Per discussione Steve Coast
Come help map a new park:

http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/events/219878946/

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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione Minh Nguyen

On 2015-01-19 00:50, Paul Johnson wrote:

Are they actually separate networks, though?  Just because there's more
digits doesn't a different network make.


What distinguishes the various networks that a given agency maintains? 
For our purposes, I think we're most interested in:


1. Significant differences in signage (signage type, shield designs, 
bannered routes)

2. Potential overlaps in numbering

Given the extra digits, #2 is unlikely, but the quadrant routes are 
signed very differently than ordinary state routes. It looks like 
they're only indicated as secondary information on out-of-the-way 
mile-markerish signs. (It also appears that conventionally one is 
prefixed PA while the other is prefixed SR.)


For example, here's a directional sign for PA 443:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4176740362/

There's a quadrant route number on the marker beneath it. It's the 
four-digit number next to SR, above 210. Unlike PA 443, SR 3009 
is inappropriate for how OSM clients use the `ref` tag. It might be 
worth mapping inasmuch as bridge inventory numbers are worth mapping, 
but I agree with James that we should keep mappers from conflating the 
two systems. And if the solution starts with `ref:penndot`, there's no 
need to square that with route networks in other states. :-)


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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione Paul Johnson
Not totally sure that relation even needs to exist given that you can fire
off an XAPI request for everything in the US:PA:Turnpike network without it
anyway, but good to know that it's already sorted.  But yeah, back to the
point, I think the refs that appear on the blade signs belongs in
ref:penndot and not ref (especially as it appears that these are only
county-unique at best on some more careful prodding).  The ref should be
what appears on the keystone shields.  I believe a quick at-a-glance
sanity check would suggest that any ref outside the range of PA 3 and PA
999 is probably incorrect or a ref:penndot.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:09 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 They all already have those types of relations.

 And the master relation for all of them is here: Pennsylvania Turnpike
 Network (3075726)  https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3075726

 -James

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 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 04:49:59 -0600
 From: ba...@ursamundi.org
 To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
 CC: m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us; talk-us@openstreetmap.org

 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

 OK, so three, possibly four, routes that could have US:PA:Turnpike
 relations.

 On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:45 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

  US:PA:Turnpike (possibly only one member?)

 There are 3 routes in that (not counting the mainline PA Turnpike
 relation).

 PA Turnpike 43
 PA Turnpike 66
 PA Turnpike 576 (Future I-576 maybe when it connects to I-79 in 2019, or
 maybe in the distant future when it connects to PA Turnpike 43)


 There were two others, but they are now both signed as Interstates.

 PA 9 (this never got the current 'PA Turnpike' signage, just a normal
 Keystone shield before it became an Interstate)  I-476 (in 1996)
 PA Toll 60 (Toll was in the top of the normal Keystone shield)  PA
 Turnpike 60  I-376 (in 2009)

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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione James Mast
Fully agree with you there Paul.  Just have to watch out for those few 'rare' 
exceptions to the rule I mentioned before for the future 'ref:penndot' tag 
where some mainline route have different 'SR' numbers in the white boxes.

-James

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 05:15:38 -0600
From: ba...@ursamundi.org
To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
CC: m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us; talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

The ref should be what appears on the keystone shields.  I believe a quick 
at-a-glance sanity check would suggest that any ref outside the range of PA 3 
and PA 999 is probably incorrect or a ref:penndot.
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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:30 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us
wrote:

 On 2015-01-19 00:50, Paul Johnson wrote:

 Are they actually separate networks, though?  Just because there's more
 digits doesn't a different network make.


 What distinguishes the various networks that a given agency maintains? For
 our purposes, I think we're most interested in:


I'd say the signed network, as visible to the layman.  This varies a bit
from state to state.  Using values for network=* for relations, I'd say
some valid examples would be:

US:PA
US:PA:Turnpike (possibly only one member?)
US:MO
US:MO:Supplemental
US:OK:Turnpike
US:TX
US:TX:Toll
US:TX:NASA
(keep going at least another 7 iterations for Texas networks alone, being
the most extreme example).

What I would not consider a separate network:

Oregon Highways (as opposed to Oregon Routes, as the routes are visible on
the shields, and the highways are pretty thoroughly useless if you don't
work with ODOT and aren't a geek).

1. Significant differences in signage (signage type, shield designs,
 bannered routes)
 2. Potential overlaps in numbering

 Given the extra digits, #2 is unlikely, but the quadrant routes are signed
 very differently than ordinary state routes. It looks like they're only
 indicated as secondary information on out-of-the-way mile-markerish signs.
 (It also appears that conventionally one is prefixed PA while the other
 is prefixed SR.)

 For example, here's a directional sign for PA 443:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4176740362/

 There's a quadrant route number on the marker beneath it. It's the
 four-digit number next to SR, above 210. Unlike PA 443, SR 3009 is
 inappropriate for how OSM clients use the `ref` tag. It might be worth
 mapping inasmuch as bridge inventory numbers are worth mapping, but I agree
 with James that we should keep mappers from conflating the two systems. And
 if the solution starts with `ref:penndot`, there's no need to square that
 with route networks in other states. :-)


OK, this really seems like it's identical to Oregon's situation with
Highways (which are signed only on blades and often don't match the same
number as the state route for highways created before roughly 2006, like this
one from OR 47, indicating Highway 102
http://www.oregonhighways.us/image_files/Pictures/hwy-102_bridge_marker.jpg,
and state parks often never have state routes, even though things like
campground RV loops and above the low tide line on beaches are technically
state highways; and similar Oklahoma's situation with highways 0, 00, and
000 (they're not signed as state highways at all to my knowledge, so can't
really provide a visual for this).

These definitely don't belong in ref=* at all, ref:penndot does sound
acceptable (in which I doubt you really need the SR, but who cares since
we're talking agency-specific tagging now?).
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Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Per discussione Paul Johnson
OK, so three, possibly four, routes that could have US:PA:Turnpike
relations.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:45 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:

  US:PA:Turnpike (possibly only one member?)

 There are 3 routes in that (not counting the mainline PA Turnpike
 relation).

 PA Turnpike 43
 PA Turnpike 66
 PA Turnpike 576 (Future I-576 maybe when it connects to I-79 in 2019, or
 maybe in the distant future when it connects to PA Turnpike 43)


 There were two others, but they are now both signed as Interstates.

 PA 9 (this never got the current 'PA Turnpike' signage, just a normal
 Keystone shield before it became an Interstate)  I-476 (in 1996)
 PA Toll 60 (Toll was in the top of the normal Keystone shield)  PA
 Turnpike 60  I-376 (in 2009)

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[Talk-br] RES: Estadão usando OSM

2015-01-19 Per discussione Reinaldo Neves
No complemento envie mensagem para o falecom.est...@estadao.com também.

 

Vamos ver se alguém se pronuncia.

 

 

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Equação Informática

(11) 3221-3722

 

 

 

De: Manfred A. Reiter [mailto:ma.rei...@gmail.com] 
Enviada em: sábado, 17 de janeiro de 2015 09:51
Para: OpenStreetMap no Brasil
Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] Estadão usando OSM

 

Oi pessoal, 

 

2015-01-17 11:51 GMT+01:00 Wille wi...@wille.blog.br:

O estadao fez um mapa com relatos de falta de água em SP usando mapa do 
OpenStreetMap (renderização da MapBox. Apesar de ter o crédito ao Leaflet, 
faltou o crédito ao OSM.

Já tentei contato pelo twitter pedindo pra acrescentarem os créditos, mas se 
mais gente relatar, temos mais chances de corrigirem.

Esse é o mapa: http://sao-paulo.estadao.com.br/redes-sociais/sp-sem-agua/
Meu post no twitter: https://twitter.com/_wille/status/556402058832920576

abraços,

 

Tivemos um caso semelhante com a Deutsche Telekom na Alemanha.

Exigimos não só a correção, mas também uma reparação.

 

... e emfin, eles fizeram anúncios gratuitos para OSM. ;-) 

 

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[Talk-br] Mapa Cultural BH

2015-01-19 Per discussione Gerald Weber
Oi Turma

http://www.otempo.com.br/divers%C3%A3o/magazine/mapa-colaborativo-da-cultura-1.975806

https://culturabh.crowdmap.com/

abraço

Gerald

PS: até onde vejo, a atribuição ao OSM aparece OK.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Mechanical Edit : le mal ( était : peut-il guérir le mal ?)

2015-01-19 Per discussione sly (sylvain letuffe)
On dimanche 18 janvier 2015, Art Penteur wrote:
- Écrire un bot qui tente de faire une correction automatique.
(...)
 Vos avis ?

J'interviens ici à la limite du HS concernant ton titre :
Mechanical Edit : le mal (...)

Frédéric a à mon avis bien répondu à la problématique spécifique des noms des 
bureaux de postes: il faut prévenir, informer, et reverter le cas précis que 
tu as mentionné.

A la question sous-jaccente que je crois lire : les Mechanical Edit sont ils 
toujours le mal, peut-on les utiliser pour corriger un autre mal, ou même, 
peut on les utiliser pour faire le bien, j'ai envie d'intervenir :
Plusieurs savent combien ce sujet est tendu, certaines communautés d'osm 
comme nos voisins anglais comptent dans leurs rangs de farouches défenseurs 
d'un interdit quasi-religieux anti-Mechanical Edit. Selon ces personnes, on 
devrait tout faire à sueur de souris et contrôler point par point et tag par 
tag, car sinon, des erreurs seront commises et c'est mal de toucher aux 
affaires des autres.
A l'opposé, on trouvera des contributeurs qui pensent que tout ça se régule 
très bien tout seul et qu'a coup d'édit war, la vérité fini toujours par 
éclater (les historiques des objets aussi !).

Pour ma part, je pense que les Mechanical Edit ont tout à fait leur place 
dans osm, et s'il est devenu impossible d'en faire à l'échelle mondial car la 
police veille, ce que je ne considère pas comme un mal car c'est un bon garde 
fou, j'aimerais les voir utilisé plus souvent à l'échelle française en 
considérant que bien fait (et bien discuté) c'est un très bon outil pour une 
homogénéisation efficace et la correction d'erreurs triviales.
Pour cela, il faudrait leur rendre quelques lettres de noblesse (ne pas les 
stigmatiser comme un mal pour commencer) et ne pas pendre trop vite ceux qui 
voudraient avant tout améliorer la qualité de la base.
Par le passé, en france, certains se souviendront de douloureuses mise en 
majuscules dont le processus avait pu déraper légèrement, mais j'en retire, 
qu'au final, on a eu un sacré coup de balais à cette époque.
Depuis, c'est presque devenu un tabou d'en proposer, et j'en suis triste.

Je répond donc à ce qui était peut-être ta question sous-jaccente, selon moi, 
ça aurait pu être bien de mass corriger le nom des bureaux de poste, même avec 
quelques mauvaises corrections si, par exemple, le revert avait été tenté trop 
tard et aurait conduit à plein d'autres pertes d'info que de tenter 
maladroitement de revenir en arrière.

Les Mechanical Edit c'est pas le mal, proposez en, j'y suis favorable de 
principe.


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Re: [Talk-de] TagFinder - eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OSM Tags (Prototyp)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Andreas Labres
On 18.01.15 20:48, Stefan Keller wrote:
 Es freut mich, eine neue Webapp TagFinder vorzustellen. TagFinder
 ist eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OpenStreetMap Tags

 http://tagfinder.herokuapp.com/

Gute Sache, danke!

Folgende Dinge sind mir aufgefallen:

* Irgendwie weiß man nicht, in welcher Sprache man grade mit dem Tool
interagiert. Das sollte irgendwie leicht auswählbar sein. Dementsprechend
ergeben sich eigenartige Suchergebnisse, z.B. auf der Suche nach Praxis findet
er bei weitem nicht alle Ärzte-Tags, anderseits aber auch sehr unpassende
Ergebnisse.

* Die Ergebnisse sollten eine sinnvolle Reihenfolge haben, z.B. eine Suche nach
Arzt sollte das treffendste amenity=doctors *weit* vor dem /Fehler/
amenity=doctor liefern! Letzteren sollte man wohl eher ausblenden, wenn es
mehrere 100% treffende Ergebnisse gibt.

* Das Ding sollte Hierarchien verstehen und entsprechend anschaulich/leicht
fasslich darstellen, z.B. eine Suche nach Wohnstraße findet ja richtig den Tag
highway=living_street und den Key highway, es sollte dem Nutzer aber auch sofort
klar sein, dass der Key der Überbegriff ist, der Tag das konkrete (passende)
Key/Value-Paar.

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[Talk-it] Lavatoio

2015-01-19 Per discussione demon.box
come si tagga correttamente un'antico lavatoio?
è composto da una tettoia, da una vasca e da un getto d'acqua spesso
potabile.
chiedo questo perché un utente qui dalle mie parti li ha mappati tutti come
amenity=fountain ma leggendo il wiki capisco che è soltanto per quelle
decorative, ma non penso sia corretto nemmeno watering_place  e neanche
semplicemente drinking_water...
che dite?
ovviamente potrò mettere drinkable=yes oppure no a seconda che sia potabile,
ma il resto?
grazie



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Re: [Talk-de] TagFinder - eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OSM Tags (Prototyp)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Stefan Keller
Übrigens lässt sich TagFinder - wie übrigens Taginfo auch - als
Suchmaschine in die Suchleiste der meisten Browser einfügen
(OpenSearch-Standard)...

-S.

Am 19. Januar 2015 um 18:06 schrieb Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com:
 Am 19. Januar 2015 um 17:30 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at:
 * Irgendwie weiß man nicht, in welcher Sprache man grade mit dem Tool
 interagiert. Das sollte irgendwie leicht auswählbar sein.

 Rechts oben steht eine Flagge und Deutsch. Meintest du das?

 * Die Ergebnisse sollten eine sinnvolle Reihenfolge haben, z.B. eine Suche 
 nach
 Arzt sollte das treffendste amenity=doctors *weit* vor dem /Fehler/
 amenity=doctor liefern!

 Es gibt eine Reihenfolge: Zuerst diejenigen Tags, in denen der
 Suchbegriff direkt im Key oder Value vorkommt.
 Danach fließt das Tag-Vorkommen ins Ranking ein.
 Das Beispiel mit doctor ist ein spezieller Fall (der natürlich auch
 wichtig ist).
 Was sinnvoll bzw. richtig ist, kann fast nur ein Mensch entscheiden.
 Aber ja: Mit den vielen falschen Positiven kämpfen wir noch.

 Letzteren sollte man wohl eher ausblenden, wenn es
 mehrere 100% treffende Ergebnisse gibt.

 Wie soll das System entscheiden, welche der 100% treffende Ergebnisse
 zu wählen ist?

 * Das Ding sollte Hierarchien verstehen und entsprechend anschaulich/leicht
 fasslich darstellen, z.B. eine Suche nach Wohnstraße findet ja richtig den 
 Tag
 highway=living_street und den Key highway, es sollte dem Nutzer aber auch 
 sofort
 klar sein, dass der Key der Überbegriff ist, der Tag das konkrete 
 (passende)
 Key/Value-Paar.

 Das ist ein sehr interessanter Aspekt:
 Nur schon wie wir solche Modellierungs-Dinge nennen sollten, ist mir unklar.
 Ich stelle mir so eine Art Haupt-Tag (= in der Modellierung
 Entitätsmengen-Namen genannt) vor mit Zusatz-Tags (=
 Entitätsmengen-Attribute).

 Ich nehme an, du meinst Hierarchien im Sinne der OSM-Tags?
 Begriffshierarchien kennt der TagFinder über einen eigens erstellten
 Thesaurus (Bevorzugter Begriff, Überbegriff, Unterbegriff).
 Bei OSM ist es leider nicht immer so, dass der Key der Überbegriff ist
 (z.B. bei building=yes)...

 LG, Stefan


 Am 19. Januar 2015 um 17:30 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at:
 On 18.01.15 20:48, Stefan Keller wrote:
 Es freut mich, eine neue Webapp TagFinder vorzustellen. TagFinder
 ist eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OpenStreetMap Tags

 http://tagfinder.herokuapp.com/

 Gute Sache, danke!

 Folgende Dinge sind mir aufgefallen:

 * Irgendwie weiß man nicht, in welcher Sprache man grade mit dem Tool
 interagiert. Das sollte irgendwie leicht auswählbar sein. Dementsprechend
 ergeben sich eigenartige Suchergebnisse, z.B. auf der Suche nach Praxis 
 findet
 er bei weitem nicht alle Ärzte-Tags, anderseits aber auch sehr unpassende
 Ergebnisse.

 * Die Ergebnisse sollten eine sinnvolle Reihenfolge haben, z.B. eine Suche 
 nach
 Arzt sollte das treffendste amenity=doctors *weit* vor dem /Fehler/
 amenity=doctor liefern! Letzteren sollte man wohl eher ausblenden, wenn es
 mehrere 100% treffende Ergebnisse gibt.

 * Das Ding sollte Hierarchien verstehen und entsprechend anschaulich/leicht
 fasslich darstellen, z.B. eine Suche nach Wohnstraße findet ja richtig den 
 Tag
 highway=living_street und den Key highway, es sollte dem Nutzer aber auch 
 sofort
 klar sein, dass der Key der Überbegriff ist, der Tag das konkrete 
 (passende)
 Key/Value-Paar.

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[OSM-talk-fr] Visualisation par un média national avec des données OSM

2015-01-19 Per discussione Eric Debeau
Salut

Encore un grand média national qui utilise les données OSM pour des
visualisations avec une bonne attribution ;-)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualite/Anatomie-du-peloton/529127
OSM va-t-il devenir la source de référence pour la visualisation des
données ?

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Re: [Talk-it] Lavatoio

2015-01-19 Per discussione sabas88
Il giorno 19 gennaio 2015 17:26, demon.box e.rossin...@alice.it ha
scritto:

 come si tagga correttamente un'antico lavatoio?
 è composto da una tettoia, da una vasca e da un getto d'acqua spesso
 potabile.
 chiedo questo perché un utente qui dalle mie parti li ha mappati tutti come
 amenity=fountain ma leggendo il wiki capisco che è soltanto per quelle
 decorative, ma non penso sia corretto nemmeno watering_place  e neanche
 semplicemente drinking_water...
 che dite?
 ovviamente potrò mettere drinkable=yes oppure no a seconda che sia
 potabile,
 ma il resto?


amenity=lavoir http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lavoir
Esempio
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/227572053#map=19/44.40408/8.93302


 grazie



Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-de] TagFinder - eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OSM Tags (Prototyp)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Andreas Goss

Related Terms:

Also soweit ich das sehe werden die aus irgendeinem Wörterbuch gezogen, 
oder?


z.B. wenn ich gym suche...
http://tagfinder.herokuapp.com/search?query=gymlang=en
...bekomme ich leisure=sports_centre und dort ist gym nicht angegeben. 
Das finde ich etwas unglücklich, da man bei OpenStreetMap oft sehr wert 
legt auf genaues Tagging und soetwas dann sehr irreführend sein könnte.


Fände es besser, wenn man auf die Wiki related terms zugreift und 
anzeigt und vielleicht him Hintergrund noch andere Datenbanken mit 
einbezieht.


PS @ all: Die richtige Wiki Syntax ist übrigens
{{RelatedTermList| {{RelatedTerm|Begriff1}} {{RelatedTerm|Begriff2}} 
{{RelatedTerm|Begriff3}} }}

und nicht nur die related term Klammern einzeln.
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Re: [Talk-it] Lavatoio

2015-01-19 Per discussione Luigi Toscano
On Monday 19 of January 2015 09:26:17 demon.box wrote:
 come si tagga correttamente un'antico lavatoio?
 è composto da una tettoia, da una vasca e da un getto d'acqua spesso
 potabile.
 chiedo questo perché un utente qui dalle mie parti li ha mappati tutti come
 amenity=fountain ma leggendo il wiki capisco che è soltanto per quelle
 decorative, ma non penso sia corretto nemmeno watering_place  e neanche
 semplicemente drinking_water...
 che dite?
Che merita un tag separato.

Una vita fa, quando il mond... la mappa era giovane (2008!) avevo marcato come 
amenity=public_wash-house un antico lavatoio di Catania:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/27103612#map=19/37.51826/15.06906

Poi ho lasciato stare, vedo che un po' dopo qualcuno ha proposto 
amenity=lavoir
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lavoir
che mi parebbe una proposta più sensata.

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Re: [Talk-de] TagFinder - eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OSM Tags (Prototyp)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Stefan Keller
Am 19. Januar 2015 um 17:30 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at:
 * Irgendwie weiß man nicht, in welcher Sprache man grade mit dem Tool
 interagiert. Das sollte irgendwie leicht auswählbar sein.

Rechts oben steht eine Flagge und Deutsch. Meintest du das?

 * Die Ergebnisse sollten eine sinnvolle Reihenfolge haben, z.B. eine Suche 
 nach
 Arzt sollte das treffendste amenity=doctors *weit* vor dem /Fehler/
 amenity=doctor liefern!

Es gibt eine Reihenfolge: Zuerst diejenigen Tags, in denen der
Suchbegriff direkt im Key oder Value vorkommt.
Danach fließt das Tag-Vorkommen ins Ranking ein.
Das Beispiel mit doctor ist ein spezieller Fall (der natürlich auch
wichtig ist).
Was sinnvoll bzw. richtig ist, kann fast nur ein Mensch entscheiden.
Aber ja: Mit den vielen falschen Positiven kämpfen wir noch.

 Letzteren sollte man wohl eher ausblenden, wenn es
 mehrere 100% treffende Ergebnisse gibt.

Wie soll das System entscheiden, welche der 100% treffende Ergebnisse
zu wählen ist?

 * Das Ding sollte Hierarchien verstehen und entsprechend anschaulich/leicht
 fasslich darstellen, z.B. eine Suche nach Wohnstraße findet ja richtig den 
 Tag
 highway=living_street und den Key highway, es sollte dem Nutzer aber auch 
 sofort
 klar sein, dass der Key der Überbegriff ist, der Tag das konkrete (passende)
 Key/Value-Paar.

Das ist ein sehr interessanter Aspekt:
Nur schon wie wir solche Modellierungs-Dinge nennen sollten, ist mir unklar.
Ich stelle mir so eine Art Haupt-Tag (= in der Modellierung
Entitätsmengen-Namen genannt) vor mit Zusatz-Tags (=
Entitätsmengen-Attribute).

Ich nehme an, du meinst Hierarchien im Sinne der OSM-Tags?
Begriffshierarchien kennt der TagFinder über einen eigens erstellten
Thesaurus (Bevorzugter Begriff, Überbegriff, Unterbegriff).
Bei OSM ist es leider nicht immer so, dass der Key der Überbegriff ist
(z.B. bei building=yes)...

LG, Stefan


Am 19. Januar 2015 um 17:30 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at:
 On 18.01.15 20:48, Stefan Keller wrote:
 Es freut mich, eine neue Webapp TagFinder vorzustellen. TagFinder
 ist eine Volltext-Suchmaschine für OpenStreetMap Tags

 http://tagfinder.herokuapp.com/

 Gute Sache, danke!

 Folgende Dinge sind mir aufgefallen:

 * Irgendwie weiß man nicht, in welcher Sprache man grade mit dem Tool
 interagiert. Das sollte irgendwie leicht auswählbar sein. Dementsprechend
 ergeben sich eigenartige Suchergebnisse, z.B. auf der Suche nach Praxis 
 findet
 er bei weitem nicht alle Ärzte-Tags, anderseits aber auch sehr unpassende
 Ergebnisse.

 * Die Ergebnisse sollten eine sinnvolle Reihenfolge haben, z.B. eine Suche 
 nach
 Arzt sollte das treffendste amenity=doctors *weit* vor dem /Fehler/
 amenity=doctor liefern! Letzteren sollte man wohl eher ausblenden, wenn es
 mehrere 100% treffende Ergebnisse gibt.

 * Das Ding sollte Hierarchien verstehen und entsprechend anschaulich/leicht
 fasslich darstellen, z.B. eine Suche nach Wohnstraße findet ja richtig den 
 Tag
 highway=living_street und den Key highway, es sollte dem Nutzer aber auch 
 sofort
 klar sein, dass der Key der Überbegriff ist, der Tag das konkrete (passende)
 Key/Value-Paar.

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Re: [Talk-de] Abwesenheitsnotiz

2015-01-19 Per discussione malenki
m...@martin-scholtes.de schrieb schon zweimal:

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

vom 19.01. bis einschließlich 23.01.2015 befinde ich mich im Urlaub.
In dieser Zeit werden Ihre Mails nicht weitergeleitet.
In dringenden Fällen bin ich über mein Handy zu erreichen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Martin Scholtes

Ist das eine wiederholte Einladung zur Facebook-Party in der
sturmfreien Bude?



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[OSM-talk-ie] FW: Sheet request

2015-01-19 Per discussione Dave Foley
Can I request sheets 32/17 SW and SE. Planning to complete Wicklow once I have 
the missing sheets.
I also came across a townland that seems to have the same name as an adjacent 
townland, Ashtown, beside Wicklow town - 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.97393/-6.06740 . Anyone know why this 
would be and how I should map it?
Dafo
  
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Re: [Talk-bd] OSM for mitigation project

2015-01-19 Per discussione Syed Ishtiaque Ahmed
Hi Fred,

Thanks for your email. I think deploying drones will be a great idea for
mapping those places for better hydrological modeling. I believe the marked
areas are mostly rural in nature, and I don't expect tall buildings there.
However, we sure can check that accurately. I also believe that the
permission from the flight regulation authority is possible. I know couple
of people, who can help us on that regard. Previously, we have seen drones
being deployed in different agricultural projects in rural Bangladesh, and
I dont think it will be difficult for us to get the permission.

I am copying this email with couple of my friends, who can give you more
information. Please let us know if you have any other question. Also,
please feel free to keep me in the loop.

Regards,
Ishtiaque



On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear all,

 Terre des Hommes has conducted a DRR (disaster risk reduction) mission in
 Haiti with OSM Haiti (they have seen the Drone + mapping party
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTiYoi33_gfeature=youtu.be
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTiYoi33_gfeature=youtu.be%C2%A0%20
 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oou32o-jR0M
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oou32o-jR0M%C2%A0%20 )

 And now Tdh Bangladesh would like to deploy the OSM Haiti methodology and
 Drone in Bangladesh for their mitigation project in this area of interest
 http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/tdh-bangladesh-drr_24362#10/25.6811/89.8242

 What do you think?  The idea is to have the best open database to improve
 hydrological modelling  (we discussed  the methodology in this events
 http://eguworkshop.deltares.nl/index.php/agenda/index

 Including local knowledge about the risk, a good elevation model (height
 of the building, an up to date land cover, road, etc).

 For sure we will need to obtain permission from the flight regulation
 authority,
 http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2014/01/30/caab-baf-permission-needed-to-fly-drones
 , Any idea, possible not possible in your country.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Visualisation par un média national avec des données OSM

2015-01-19 Per discussione JB

Le 19/01/2015 18:52, Eric Debeau a écrit :




http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualite/Anatomie-du-peloton/529127


« Désolé, la page que vous cherchez n’existe pas ou plus. »
Il faut un abonnement, ou quelque chose ?
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Visualisation par un média national avec des données OSM

2015-01-19 Per discussione sly (sylvain letuffe)
On lundi 19 janvier 2015, JB wrote:
 Le 19/01/2015 18:52, Eric Debeau a écrit :
  http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualite/Anatomie-du-peloto
  n/529127
 
 « Désolé, la page que vous cherchez n’existe pas ou plus. »
 Il faut un abonnement, ou quelque chose ?
 JB.

Comme quoi, il vaut souvent mieux faire un copier/coller ;-)

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Anatomie-du-peloton/529127
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[Talk-it] Osm routing mobile webapp

2015-01-19 Per discussione Bertalan Ivan
Ciao listaroli,

Circa un paio di anni fa è passato un msg in lista in merito alprogetto di
una webapp italiana che permetteva di ottenere un percorso con
openstreetmap.

Chi si ricorda della pagina web o dell'autore?

Grazie,
Berti
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Réunion contributeurs Toulouse ?

2015-01-19 Per discussione Laurent GUERBY
On Mon, 2015-01-19 at 21:08 +0100, Florian LAINEZ wrote:
 Bonjour les toulousains,
 Je suis content que certains d'entre vous puisse se libérer demain.
 Pour les autres ce n'est que partie remise :)
 
 Quelqu'un a une suggestion de lieu ?

Bonsoir,

Si quasi tout le monde est en voiture vous pouvez venir squatter
pendant/avant le repas/glou hebdomadaire des toulousains de
tetaneutral.net (internet libre) :

http://lists.tetaneutral.net/pipermail/tetaneutral/2015-January/000204.html

Nous organisons un repas convivial tetaneutral.net ouvert à tou(te)s
au restaurant « la Paniolade », 146 bd Suisse (31200 Toulouse) 
le **Mardi** 20 janvier 2015 à partir de 20h30 et jusque vers 22h30.


Ca ouvre a 19h, il y a une biere toute simple a la pression,
plein de place et pas besoin de reserver (on fait de 4 a 20 personnes
selon les soir sans prevenir), c'est direct rocade sortie 31 b ou pont
jumeaux, facile de se garer (et 15mn a pied de metro canal du midi et
nougaro, station vélo 62 boulevard de Suisse a 3 minutes a pied).

On a commencé a jouer avec umap/leaflet pour faire
nos cartes d'antennes tetaneutral.net donc on a des sujets
en commun :).

Sincèrement,

Laurent
tel 06 43 09 45 15

 On 15 Jan 2015 19:04, lenny.libre lenny.li...@orange.fr wrote:
 Désolé, je ne pourrais pas venir
 Cordialement
 Lenny
 
 Le 11/01/2015 23:09, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
 Frédéric Bonifas a écrit :
 Je serai présent aussi !
 Cool, nous sommes donc au moins quatre sur la
 région. :)
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Réunion contributeurs Toulouse ?

2015-01-19 Per discussione Sébastien Dinot
Florian LAINEZ a écrit :
 Je suis content que certains d'entre vous puisse se libérer demain.
 Pour les autres ce n'est que partie remise :)

Honte à moi, je n'avais pas détecté la collision de date entre cette
proposition et une obligation professionnelle à laquelle je dois donner
la priorité. La rencontre se fera donc sans moi, j'en suis sincèrement
navré. :(

Suivant l'heure et le lieu retenus, j'essaierai quand même de passer
vous dire bonjour avant de me rendre à mon rendez-vous.

Sébastien, penaud.


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Re: [Talk-dk] Relaxed/strict match på Nominatim-søgninger

2015-01-19 Per discussione Rasmus Vendelboe
Hej Jørgen,

Att. punkt 1) så er der (stadigvæk) den forskel at kommunegrænsen er
skiltet, mens postdistriktet ikke er det. Første lykkedes det os, at lave
med +99 % sikkerhed uden at skelne andres datasæt, mens du er helt fortabt
og gift med andres datasæt hvis du vil have postgrænserne ind.

Designcasen (i dag)  handler for mig om fordelen ved at have
postgrænse-dataen direkte i databasen mod at skulle vedligeholde og drifte
den. Jeg kan ikke umiddelbart se en usercase og derfor ser jeg det som god
design, at holde dataen ude af OSM.

Mvh
Rasmus (rasmusv)

Med venlig hilsen
Rasmus Vendelboe

2015-01-19 15:20 GMT+01:00 Jørgen Elgaard Larsen j...@elgaard.net:

 Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen skrev:
  jeg søger på vestre strandvej tjæreborg og får ingen resultater
 [...]
  Nominatim opfatter vejen som en del af Sønderby (Type: place:hamlet),

 Det er desværre et generelt problem med adressesøgning: Alle vores
 adressenoder indeholder postnummer og by - men de bruges næsten ikke af
 søgemaskiner og navigationssoftware. I stedet prøver de at gætte,
 hvilken by, en adresse hører til i.

 Det er til dels en konsekvens af, at vi ikke har mappet postdistrikter i
 Danmark. Det er der flere grunde til:

 1) Postdistrikter i Danmark er ikke en fysisk grænse, og er ikke
skiltet i virkeligheden.

 2) Don't map for the renderer.

 3) Tidligere har den eneste kilde til postdistrikter været under en
problematisk licens.

 Hvad angår 1) mener jeg ikke, at der er forskel på postdistrikter og
 f.x. kommunegrænser.

 Jeg mener generelt, at 2) er en meget vigtig regel. Omvendt lader det
 til, at det er undtagelsen, at renderen kan finde ud af at kigge på
 addr:city. Så det her er lidt et grænsetilfælde.

 I forhold til 3) så kan man nu finde polygoner for postnumre på DAWA.
 Som vi tidligere har diskuteret om f.x. FOT-data, så er det muligvis
 uklart, om licensen vil muliggøre import i OSM.


 Hvad mener I andre - bør vi mappe postdistrikter i Danmark, og kan vi
 importere dem fra DAWA?




 Hvad angår Nominatim's strictness: Jeg er helt enig med dig - men der er
 ikke så meget, vi kan gøre ved det på denne liste. Det rigtige er at
 indberette en forslag gennem Nominatim's bugtracker:


 https://trac.openstreetmap.org/query?status=newstatus=assignedstatus=reopenedcomponent=nominatimorder=iddesc=1

 Der er allerede flere indberetninger, der handler om det samme.

 Hvis man kigger på udviklingsplanerne for Nominatim
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/Version2), kan man se, at
 det er på tegnebrættet. Men det er et spørgsmål om, hvordan det kan
 implementeres effektivt:

 * (TODO) 'Did you means' Suggestions. Can't use standard - too many
words and phrases (too slow) - so:

 High level admin features only?
 Modified levenshtein btree?
 Geographic indexing of suggestions?
 Word context based indexing?



 Men jeg har indberettet søgningen på addr:city:
   https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/5270


 - Jørgen

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Mechanical Edit : le mal ( était : peut-il guérir le mal ?)

2015-01-19 Per discussione Art Penteur
Il y avait de la provoc et du second degré, dans mon message : je sais
bien la polémique que génèrent les Mechanical Edit.

Personnellement, je suis pour. On fait du traitement automatisé
d'information, oui ou non ? Sinon, autant revenir à BANO sur un
registre tenu à la plume d'oie, et à des cartes sur
parchemin.Certaines erreurs signalées par Osmose m'énervent : Espace
en double, ou au début où à la fin de name. A chaque fois, j'ai envie
de lui dire : vas-y, qu'est-ce que tu attends pour corriger ? C'est
pas un cas ambigu où il y a besoin d'un cerveau, D'ailleurs, j'ai mon
petit bot qui s'occupe de ça, de temps à autre.

Pour en revenir aux bureaux de poste, je pense qu'il y en a un peu
trop pour faire du cas pas cas. Un rapide tour de France m'a trouvé :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3148788085
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3022395244
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1373812282
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2866951586
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3264481046

et il y en a d'autres (nombre inconnu). C'est pour ça que je propose
de passer à l'automatisation, soit du mail de sensibilisation, soit de
la correction.

Allez, je peux essayer quelques messages spécifiques, pour voir si ça
donne quelque chose.

Art.

Le 19 janvier 2015 17:30, sly (sylvain letuffe) lis...@letuffe.org a écrit :
 On dimanche 18 janvier 2015, Art Penteur wrote:
- Écrire un bot qui tente de faire une correction automatique.
 (...)
 Vos avis ?

 J'interviens ici à la limite du HS concernant ton titre :
 Mechanical Edit : le mal (...)

 Frédéric a à mon avis bien répondu à la problématique spécifique des noms des
 bureaux de postes: il faut prévenir, informer, et reverter le cas précis que
 tu as mentionné.

 A la question sous-jaccente que je crois lire : les Mechanical Edit sont ils
 toujours le mal, peut-on les utiliser pour corriger un autre mal, ou même,
 peut on les utiliser pour faire le bien, j'ai envie d'intervenir :
 Plusieurs savent combien ce sujet est tendu, certaines communautés d'osm
 comme nos voisins anglais comptent dans leurs rangs de farouches défenseurs
 d'un interdit quasi-religieux anti-Mechanical Edit. Selon ces personnes, on
 devrait tout faire à sueur de souris et contrôler point par point et tag par
 tag, car sinon, des erreurs seront commises et c'est mal de toucher aux
 affaires des autres.
 A l'opposé, on trouvera des contributeurs qui pensent que tout ça se régule
 très bien tout seul et qu'a coup d'édit war, la vérité fini toujours par
 éclater (les historiques des objets aussi !).

 Pour ma part, je pense que les Mechanical Edit ont tout à fait leur place
 dans osm, et s'il est devenu impossible d'en faire à l'échelle mondial car la
 police veille, ce que je ne considère pas comme un mal car c'est un bon garde
 fou, j'aimerais les voir utilisé plus souvent à l'échelle française en
 considérant que bien fait (et bien discuté) c'est un très bon outil pour une
 homogénéisation efficace et la correction d'erreurs triviales.
 Pour cela, il faudrait leur rendre quelques lettres de noblesse (ne pas les
 stigmatiser comme un mal pour commencer) et ne pas pendre trop vite ceux qui
 voudraient avant tout améliorer la qualité de la base.
 Par le passé, en france, certains se souviendront de douloureuses mise en
 majuscules dont le processus avait pu déraper légèrement, mais j'en retire,
 qu'au final, on a eu un sacré coup de balais à cette époque.
 Depuis, c'est presque devenu un tabou d'en proposer, et j'en suis triste.

 Je répond donc à ce qui était peut-être ta question sous-jaccente, selon moi,
 ça aurait pu être bien de mass corriger le nom des bureaux de poste, même avec
 quelques mauvaises corrections si, par exemple, le revert avait été tenté trop
 tard et aurait conduit à plein d'autres pertes d'info que de tenter
 maladroitement de revenir en arrière.

 Les Mechanical Edit c'est pas le mal, proposez en, j'y suis favorable de
 principe.


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Re: [Talk-it] Lavatoio

2015-01-19 Per discussione demon.box
riporto alcuni esempi:

http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5830610/23967623.jpg 

http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5830610/86659355.jpg 

entrambi hanno acqua potabile come la taggo?

e nel caso di questo fontanile?

http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5830610/96220763.jpg 

non è un lavatoio, metto soltanto amenity=drinking_water?



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Réunion contributeurs Toulouse ?

2015-01-19 Per discussione Florian LAINEZ
Bonjour les toulousains,
Je suis content que certains d'entre vous puisse se libérer demain. Pour
les autres ce n'est que partie remise :)

Quelqu'un a une suggestion de lieu ?
On 15 Jan 2015 19:04, lenny.libre lenny.li...@orange.fr wrote:

 Désolé, je ne pourrais pas venir
 Cordialement
 Lenny

 Le 11/01/2015 23:09, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :

 Frédéric Bonifas a écrit :

 Je serai présent aussi !

 Cool, nous sommes donc au moins quatre sur la région. :)

 Sébastien




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