Re: [OSM-talk-fr] WhatOSM, un guide des outils de contributions

[PanierAvide]

Bonjour,

Merci :-) Oui la liste des outils intégrés est ici : 
https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM/tree/master/src/config/tools


Et pour en rajouter des nouveaux, il y a même une documentation (en 
anglais) : 
https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM/tree/master#list-of-toolsprojects


Cordialement,

Adrien.


Le 19/09/2017 à 07:50, Jean-Christophe Becquet a écrit :


Bonjour,

Merci Adrien, c'est intéressant.

Y a t-il un moyen de lister tous les outils de la base ?

Bonne journée

JC



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] WhatOSM, un guide des outils de contributions

[Jean-Christophe Becquet]

Le 16/09/2017 09:04, PanierAvide a écrit :
> Pour que chacun s'y retrouve, et puisse trouver rapidement un outil de
> contribution qui lui correspond, j'ai créé un petit guide interactif
> nommé WhatOSM. Il vous propose, en répondant à trois questions (votre
> niveau, le temps disponible, et si vous êtes dehors ou non), une liste
> d'outils pouvant vous intéresser. C'est ici :
> 
> http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/

Bonjour,

Merci Adrien, c'est intéressant.

Y a t-il un moyen de lister tous les outils de la base ?

Bonne journée

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Re: [OSM-talk] Putting simple scripts in the Wiki without violating CC BY-SA 2.0

[Yuri Astrakhan]

Hi, I would still highly advise putting it into git, because
* it's easier to discover by others, code search, etc
* it is far easier to propose changes, discuss them, track who submitted
what, etc
* it is easier to fork to try different things, and for others to see your
forks and possibly adapt them too

At the end of the day, wiki is a front end to a simple version control
system, whereas git is what most developers are used to nowadays.  I have
done a lot of "on-wiki" coding, and unless there are very good reasons to
keep it on wiki, it is far better to store it in repo.  Plus you wouldn't
have the licensing questions :)

As for license - you could put at the top that "this code is MIT licensed
to remove ambiguity, but IANAL.  My understanding is that by default, all
content is licensed as whatever it said at the bottom.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:14 AM, SwiftFast  wrote:

> I have a bot[1]. I'd like to publish its scripts. A versioning  system
> like GIT would be overkill, because the scripts are short and rarely
> changing.
>
> I'm not a lawyer, and I have some questions:
>
> 1. Suppose I don't state any license, would that implicitly the same
> license of the wiki itself?[2]
>
> 2. Can I explicitly state a license such as MIT/Apache/GPL? Would any
> of those licenses conflict with the license of the Wiki itself?
>
> Thanks!
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SwiftFast#SwiftFast_bot
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_content_license
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[SwiftFast]

I have a bot[1]. I'd like to publish its scripts. A versioning  system
like GIT would be overkill, because the scripts are short and rarely
changing.

I'm not a lawyer, and I have some questions:

1. Suppose I don't state any license, would that implicitly the same
license of the wiki itself?[2]

2. Can I explicitly state a license such as MIT/Apache/GPL? Would any
of those licenses conflict with the license of the Wiki itself?

Thanks!

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SwiftFast#SwiftFast_bot
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_content_license

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[OSM-legal-talk] Putting simple scripts in the Wiki without violating CC BY-SA 2.0

[SwiftFast]

I have a bot[1]. I'd like to publish its scripts. A versioning  system
like GIT would be overkill, because the scripts are short and rarely
changing.

I'm not a lawyer, and I have some questions:

1. Suppose I don't state any license, would that implicitly the same
license of the wiki itself?[2]

2. Can I explicitly state a license such as MIT/Apache/GPL? Would any
of those licenses conflict with the license of the Wiki itself?

Thanks!

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SwiftFast#SwiftFast_bot
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_content_license

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Re: [Talk-us] Requesting to remove stoplines in San Jose

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 09/18/2017 08:39 PM, Vivek Bansal wrote:
> Hey, I noticed pfliers has added lots of unconnected ways w/
> `highway=stopline` all over San Jose. It’s really been cluttering up our
> workflows in iD, and now it’s triggering JOSM’s validator as we’re
> adding sidewalks. Can we remove them in one big mechanical edit? Even if
> the concept is good, they’d have to be remapped in order to be useful
> anyways. Maybe they should be a node along the centerline.  Or instead
> they should be a road_marking.

Ideally, the position of the highway=stop/yield node should convey this
information. In the case of a nearby highway=traffic_signals I could
maybe see road_marking=stopline, but not under highway=*.

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[OSM-talk] Export Tool 3.0 LIVE

[Mhairi O'Hara]

*Version 3.0 Launched*


*[image: Inline image 1]*

Version 3 of the Export Tool officially LAUNCHED on 18th September 2017.
The new version is now hosted at export.hotosm.org, with Version 2
available at old-export.hotosm.org until mid November 2017, when it will be
decommissioned .

Major changes include opening up all regions for export, adding more ways
to select the area of interest, additional file formats, enhancing the
feature selection process and redesigning the UI to follow a more
consistent HOT brand across its tools, as well as make it a more intuitive
experience for users.

Please check out the launch blog
 for
more details about Version 3, and stay tuned for a series of ‘Learn Export
Tool’ blogs to follow over the coming weeks, as we take users through
different aspects of the tool’s key functionality:


   1. Selecting Area of Interest (September 25th)
   2. Data File Formats (October 2nd)
   3. Customising Map Features (October 9th)
   4. Applying Exported Data (October 16th)


And if you're attending the State of the Map SOTM-US from the 20th to the
22nd of October in Boulder, come join us for the Export Tool workshop
!


Kind regards,

Mhairi

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[Talk-us] Requesting to remove stoplines in San Jose

[Vivek Bansal]

Hey, I noticed pfliers has added lots of unconnected ways w/
`highway=stopline` all over San Jose. It’s really been cluttering up our
workflows in iD, and now it’s triggering JOSM’s validator as we’re adding
sidewalks. Can we remove them in one big mechanical edit? Even if the
concept is good, they’d have to be remapped in order to be useful anyways.
Maybe they should be a node along the centerline.  Or instead they should
be a road_marking.

This also affects Phoenix, Arizona.

Here is a link to pfliers history:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pflier/history#map=6/38.882/-117.411

Here is pfliers proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/stop_line

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Re: [Talk-ca] Les méfaits de Telenav dans La Prairie

[Martijn van Exel]

Bonjour Pierre, 

Thanks for checking it out.. Again my apologies on behalf of the team, we 
should have been more careful.

Martijn

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:
> 
> Bonjour Marjin,
> 
> Je suis allé sur place Samedi avec Dega et pris des photos  près du 
> rond-point. Elles devraient apparaitre bientôt sur Mapillary. Les sentiers 
> sont obstrués avec des barrières et seuls les piétons peuvent y  circuler.
>  
> Pierre 
> 
> 
> De : Martijn van Exel 
> À : James  
> Cc : Ga Delap ; talk-ca 
> Envoyé le : lundi 18 Septembre 2017 15h03
> Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Les méfaits de Telenav dans La Prairie
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Allow me to respond in English...Sorry..
> Thanks for pointing out the problem with the non-existing roads. We did some 
> additional research ourselves as well after your report and concluded the 
> same thing. Checking two sources in this case proved to be not enough, and I 
> will make sure we proceed even more carefully when the evidence is 
> inconclusive...I am really sorry about this.
> I have deleted the ways in question, 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52154252 
>  
> We will take extra care in the future that the source list in the changeset 
> really does reflect all the sources we used. (In this case, there was no OSC 
> imagery available).
> 
> Martijn
> 
> 
> 2017-09-15 7:10 GMT-06:00 James  >:
> des photos*
> 
> 2017-09-15 9:10 GMT-04:00 James  >:
> OSC C'est OpenStreetCam. C'est comme Mapillary ou google street view, mais 
> opensource et on peut l'utiliser comme référence pour OSM. Essentiellement le 
> monde se promenes avec leur cameras dans leur voitures et prennent des 
> voitures
> 
> 2017-09-15 9:07 GMT-04:00 James  >:
> Est-ce que tu as contacté Martijn à ce propos? Il est la personne qui 
> coordonne le plus avec la communauté OSM
> 
> 2017-09-15 8:58 GMT-04:00 Ga Delap  >:
> Bonjour à tous et toutes
> J'ai récemment consulté notre carte et, par hasard, j'ai aperçu dans La 
> Prairie des rues que je ne connaissais pas. Je suis allé sur place et j'ai 
> constaté que ces rues n'existent pas.
> 
> Je vous invite à aller voir les chemins suivants:
>   chemin 472613767: portion de "Avenue Jacques-Martin"
>   chemin 13470677: portion de "Avenue de la Belle-Dame"
>   chemin 472613765: "Rue du Cuivré-des-Marais"
>   chemin 472613760: "Rue du Satyre-des-Prés"
>   chemin 472613763: "Rue du Cuivré-des-Marais"
> qu'on peut voir sur: http://www.openstreetmap.org/# map=17/45.39428/-73.47327 
> 
> 
> Ces 5 chemins ont été ajoutés en février 2017 par andreis_telenav et il a 
> spécifié que ses sources étaient: "Bing, Geobase Roads, Canvec,OSC"
> Or, Bing ne connait pas ces rues et je serais surpris que Geobase ou CanVec 
> les connaissent.
> Quant à OSC, je ne sais pas ce que c'est.
> 
> Ces rues étaient prévues dans le projet SymbioCité, un développement 
> commercial qui a été frappé d'un interdit par un décret spécial visant à 
> protéger les habitats de la Reinette-Faux-Grillon. Ce décret a été émis en 
> juin 2016.
> Pour les intéressés: http://www.lereflet.qc.ca/actu 
> alites/2016/6/22/le-projet-dom iciliaire-symbiocite-est-une-- 
> menace-imminente--pou.html 
> 
> 
> Mais revenons au sujet.
> L'individu andreis_telenav a inscrit sur la carte des rues qui n'existent pas 
> et qui n'existeront pas dans le futur. C'est un problème.
> Il a probablement utilisé comme source un document de construction ou 
> d'avant-projet mais cette source n'est pas citée.
> Telenav est une compagnie californienne et je déplore qu'il n'ait pas pris 
> contact avec un cartographe local pour vérifier que l'information était 
> valide.
> 
> Ce n'est pas la 1ère fois que je détecte des problèmes créés par Telenav et 
> je me pose des questions quant à leur éthique et leurs méthodes de travail.
> 
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> 
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[Ga Delap]

You wrote:
> I will make sure we proceed even more carefully when the evidence is
inconclusive...

You may even contact a local mapper!

dega

Le 18 septembre 2017 à 15:02, Martijn van Exel  a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> Allow me to respond in English...Sorry..
> Thanks for pointing out the problem with the non-existing roads. We did
> some additional research ourselves as well after your report and concluded
> the same thing. Checking two sources in this case proved to be not enough,
> and I will make sure we proceed even more carefully when the evidence is
> inconclusive...I am really sorry about this.
> I have deleted the ways in question, https://www.
> openstreetmap.org/changeset/52154252
> We will take extra care in the future that the source list in the
> changeset really does reflect all the sources we used. (In this case, there
> was no OSC imagery available).
>
> Martijn
>
>
> 2017-09-15 7:10 GMT-06:00 James :
>
>> des photos*
>>
>> 2017-09-15 9:10 GMT-04:00 James :
>>
>>> OSC C'est OpenStreetCam. C'est comme Mapillary ou google street view,
>>> mais opensource et on peut l'utiliser comme référence pour OSM.
>>> Essentiellement le monde se promenes avec leur cameras dans leur voitures
>>> et prennent des voitures
>>>
>>> 2017-09-15 9:07 GMT-04:00 James :
>>>
 Est-ce que tu as contacté Martijn à ce propos? Il est la personne qui
 coordonne le plus avec la communauté OSM

 2017-09-15 8:58 GMT-04:00 Ga Delap :

> Bonjour à tous et toutes
> J'ai récemment consulté notre carte et, par hasard, j'ai aperçu dans
> La Prairie des rues que je ne connaissais pas. Je suis allé sur place et
> j'ai constaté que ces rues n'existent pas.
>
> Je vous invite à aller voir les chemins suivants:
>   chemin 472613767: portion de "Avenue Jacques-Martin"
>   chemin 13470677: portion de "Avenue de la Belle-Dame"
>   chemin 472613765: "Rue du Cuivré-des-Marais"
>   chemin 472613760: "Rue du Satyre-des-Prés"
>   chemin 472613763: "Rue du Cuivré-des-Marais"
> qu'on peut voir sur: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#
> map=17/45.39428/-73.47327
>
> Ces 5 chemins ont été ajoutés en février 2017 par andreis_telenav et
> il a spécifié que ses sources étaient: "Bing, Geobase Roads, Canvec,OSC"
> Or, Bing ne connait pas ces rues et je serais surpris que Geobase ou
> CanVec les connaissent.
> Quant à OSC, je ne sais pas ce que c'est.
>
> Ces rues étaient prévues dans le projet SymbioCité, un développement
> commercial qui a été frappé d'un interdit par un décret spécial visant à
> protéger les habitats de la Reinette-Faux-Grillon. Ce décret a été émis en
> juin 2016.
> Pour les intéressés: http://www.lereflet.qc.ca/actu
> alites/2016/6/22/le-projet-domiciliaire-symbiocite-est-une--
> menace-imminente--pou.html
>
> Mais revenons au sujet.
> L'individu andreis_telenav a inscrit sur la carte des rues qui
> n'existent pas et qui n'existeront pas dans le futur. C'est un problème.
> Il a probablement utilisé comme source un document de construction ou
> d'avant-projet mais cette source n'est pas citée.
> Telenav est une compagnie californienne et je déplore qu'il n'ait pas
> pris contact avec un cartographe local pour vérifier que l'information
> était valide.
>
> Ce n'est pas la 1ère fois que je détecte des problèmes créés par
> Telenav et je me pose des questions quant à leur éthique et leurs méthodes
> de travail.
>
> Vos commentaires svp
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Champs phone : futur projet du mois ?

[osm . sanspourriel]

Ce n'est pas incompatible E.123 dit qu'un numéro de téléphone peut 
comporter des espaces pour la lisibilité.


Et en France le regroupement se fait usuellement par paquets de 2 
chiffres hormis le premier si on passe au format international.


Par contre l'exemple pose soucis car il est contradictoire avec 
l'exemple de la France métropolitaine.
De plus on avait dit que dans certains cas (numéros mnémotechniques) 
d'autres regroupements étaient possibles.


Jean-Yvon

Le 18/09/2017 à 22:24, Romain MEHUT - romain.me...@gmail.com a écrit :

Bonsoir,

Désolé mais je ne comprends pas cette spécificité française. Le wiki 
était déjà clair avec un exemple 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:phone?uselang=fr#Exemples Un 
numéro de téléphone fixe classique en France métropolitaine, dont 
l'indicateur régional serait 04 s'inscrirait de la manière suivante : 
*phone*=+33 4 12345678


Et maintenant on a un point 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:phone?uselang=fr#En_France_m.C3.A9tropolitaine 
qui dit autrement


Elle est où la logique ?

Romain

Le 7 septembre 2017 à 04:47, Jérôme Amagat > a écrit :


ça serait bien de laisser une trace sur le wiki de comment il faut
indiquer les numéro.
J'ai ajouté 3 lignes sur la page en français :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:phone


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Re: [Talk-ca] Les méfaits de Telenav dans La Prairie

[Pierre Béland]

Bonjour Marjin,
Je suis allé sur place Samedi avec Dega et pris des photos  près du rond-point. 
Elles devraient apparaitre bientôt sur Mapillary. Les sentiers sont obstrués 
avec des barrières et seuls les piétons peuvent y  circuler.
 
Pierre 


  De : Martijn van Exel 
 À : James  
Cc : Ga Delap ; talk-ca 
 Envoyé le : lundi 18 Septembre 2017 15h03
 Objet : Re: [Talk-ca] Les méfaits de Telenav dans La Prairie
   
Hi all, 
Allow me to respond in English...Sorry..Thanks for pointing out the problem 
with the non-existing roads. We did some additional research ourselves as well 
after your report and concluded the same thing. Checking two sources in this 
case proved to be not enough, and I will make sure we proceed even more 
carefully when the evidence is inconclusive...I am really sorry about this.
I have deleted the ways in question, 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52154252 We will take extra care in the 
future that the source list in the changeset really does reflect all the 
sources we used. (In this case, there was no OSC imagery available).
Martijn

2017-09-15 7:10 GMT-06:00 James :

des photos*

2017-09-15 9:10 GMT-04:00 James :

OSC C'est OpenStreetCam. C'est comme Mapillary ou google street view, mais 
opensource et on peut l'utiliser comme référence pour OSM. Essentiellement le 
monde se promenes avec leur cameras dans leur voitures et prennent des voitures

2017-09-15 9:07 GMT-04:00 James :

Est-ce que tu as contacté Martijn à ce propos? Il est la personne qui coordonne 
le plus avec la communauté OSM

2017-09-15 8:58 GMT-04:00 Ga Delap :

Bonjour à tous et toutes
J'ai récemment consulté notre carte et, par hasard, j'ai aperçu dans La Prairie 
des rues que je ne connaissais pas. Je suis allé sur place et j'ai constaté que 
ces rues n'existent pas.

Je vous invite à aller voir les chemins suivants:
  chemin 472613767: portion de "Avenue Jacques-Martin"
  chemin 13470677: portion de "Avenue de la Belle-Dame"
  chemin 472613765: "Rue du Cuivré-des-Marais"
  chemin 472613760: "Rue du Satyre-des-Prés"
  chemin 472613763: "Rue du Cuivré-des-Marais"
qu'on peut voir sur: http://www.openstreetmap.org/# map=17/45.39428/-73.47327

Ces 5 chemins ont été ajoutés en février 2017 par andreis_telenav et il a 
spécifié que ses sources étaient: "Bing, Geobase Roads, Canvec,OSC"
Or, Bing ne connait pas ces rues et je serais surpris que Geobase ou CanVec les 
connaissent.
Quant à OSC, je ne sais pas ce que c'est.

Ces rues étaient prévues dans le projet SymbioCité, un développement commercial 
qui a été frappé d'un interdit par un décret spécial visant à protéger les 
habitats de la Reinette-Faux-Grillon. Ce décret a été émis en juin 2016.
Pour les intéressés: http://www.lereflet.qc.ca/actu 
alites/2016/6/22/le-projet-dom iciliaire-symbiocite-est-une-- 
menace-imminente--pou.html

Mais revenons au sujet.
L'individu andreis_telenav a inscrit sur la carte des rues qui n'existent pas 
et qui n'existeront pas dans le futur. C'est un problème.
Il a probablement utilisé comme source un document de construction ou 
d'avant-projet mais cette source n'est pas citée.
Telenav est une compagnie californienne et je déplore qu'il n'ait pas pris 
contact avec un cartographe local pour vérifier que l'information était valide.

Ce n'est pas la 1ère fois que je détecte des problèmes créés par Telenav et je 
me pose des questions quant à leur éthique et leurs méthodes de travail.

Vos commentaires svp

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Champs phone : futur projet du mois ?

[Romain MEHUT]

Bonsoir,

Désolé mais je ne comprends pas cette spécificité française. Le wiki était
déjà clair avec un exemple
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:phone?uselang=fr#Exemples Un
numéro de téléphone fixe classique en France métropolitaine, dont
l'indicateur régional serait 04 s'inscrirait de la manière suivante :
*phone*=+33 4 12345678

Et maintenant on a un point
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:phone?uselang=fr#En_France_m.C3.A9tropolitaine
qui dit autrement

Elle est où la logique ?

Romain

Le 7 septembre 2017 à 04:47, Jérôme Amagat  a
écrit :

> ça serait bien de laisser une trace sur le wiki de comment il faut
> indiquer les numéro.
> J'ai ajouté 3 lignes sur la page en français : https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/FR:Key:phone
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Re: [Talk-ca] Les méfaits de Telenav dans La Prairie

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

Allow me to respond in English...Sorry..
Thanks for pointing out the problem with the non-existing roads. We did
some additional research ourselves as well after your report and concluded
the same thing. Checking two sources in this case proved to be not enough,
and I will make sure we proceed even more carefully when the evidence is
inconclusive...I am really sorry about this.
I have deleted the ways in question,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52154252
We will take extra care in the future that the source list in the changeset
really does reflect all the sources we used. (In this case, there was no
OSC imagery available).

Martijn


2017-09-15 7:10 GMT-06:00 James :

> des photos*
>
> 2017-09-15 9:10 GMT-04:00 James :
>
>> OSC C'est OpenStreetCam. C'est comme Mapillary ou google street view,
>> mais opensource et on peut l'utiliser comme référence pour OSM.
>> Essentiellement le monde se promenes avec leur cameras dans leur voitures
>> et prennent des voitures
>>
>> 2017-09-15 9:07 GMT-04:00 James :
>>
>>> Est-ce que tu as contacté Martijn à ce propos? Il est la personne qui
>>> coordonne le plus avec la communauté OSM
>>>
>>> 2017-09-15 8:58 GMT-04:00 Ga Delap :
>>>
 Bonjour à tous et toutes
 J'ai récemment consulté notre carte et, par hasard, j'ai aperçu dans La
 Prairie des rues que je ne connaissais pas. Je suis allé sur place et j'ai
 constaté que ces rues n'existent pas.

 Je vous invite à aller voir les chemins suivants:
   chemin 472613767: portion de "Avenue Jacques-Martin"
   chemin 13470677: portion de "Avenue de la Belle-Dame"
   chemin 472613765: "Rue du Cuivré-des-Marais"
   chemin 472613760: "Rue du Satyre-des-Prés"
   chemin 472613763: "Rue du Cuivré-des-Marais"
 qu'on peut voir sur: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#
 map=17/45.39428/-73.47327

 Ces 5 chemins ont été ajoutés en février 2017 par andreis_telenav et il
 a spécifié que ses sources étaient: "Bing, Geobase Roads, Canvec,OSC"
 Or, Bing ne connait pas ces rues et je serais surpris que Geobase ou
 CanVec les connaissent.
 Quant à OSC, je ne sais pas ce que c'est.

 Ces rues étaient prévues dans le projet SymbioCité, un développement
 commercial qui a été frappé d'un interdit par un décret spécial visant à
 protéger les habitats de la Reinette-Faux-Grillon. Ce décret a été émis en
 juin 2016.
 Pour les intéressés: http://www.lereflet.qc.ca/actu
 alites/2016/6/22/le-projet-domiciliaire-symbiocite-est-une--
 menace-imminente--pou.html

 Mais revenons au sujet.
 L'individu andreis_telenav a inscrit sur la carte des rues qui
 n'existent pas et qui n'existeront pas dans le futur. C'est un problème.
 Il a probablement utilisé comme source un document de construction ou
 d'avant-projet mais cette source n'est pas citée.
 Telenav est une compagnie californienne et je déplore qu'il n'ait pas
 pris contact avec un cartographe local pour vérifier que l'information
 était valide.

 Ce n'est pas la 1ère fois que je détecte des problèmes créés par
 Telenav et je me pose des questions quant à leur éthique et leurs méthodes
 de travail.

 Vos commentaires svp

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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[John F. Eldredge]

On 9/18/2017 11:01 AM, Simon Poole wrote:

Am 18.09.2017 um 11:47 schrieb Stephan Knauss:

Hello Simon,

On 18.09.2017 10:17, Simon Poole wrote:

Depending on the territory you can have rights in marks that you have
not registered and it is probably completely undisputed that OSM is
associated as strongly as OpenStreetMap with the project.

My main interest is whether we actually have OSM as a mark.

I assume you refer to this:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/markeng/__4.html


I wasn't actually specifically referenceing Germany, as said it really
depends on which territory you are looking at.

This requires a majority of the "users" associating OSM with the
OpenStreetMap Foundation, or maybe with the product the OSMF has which
is our database.

I assume without a registered trademark it would be up to the OSMF to
actually prove that they created the OSM mark by using it, right?

In general all trademarks require that you actually use them to at least
maintain your rights,


So wouldn't it be wise to actually register OSM to prevent any doubts
on having that mark? Costs don't seem that high. Googling mentions 300
EUR for a registration.

Are we confident, the majority associates OSM with OpenStreetMap?
There was the OSMAPS@ mark a while ago. It belonged to Ordnance Survey
Maps, which can also be abbreviated as OSM.

Can we even legally use OSM with Ordnance Survey having OSMM?
https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/002782688

Wouldn't they be legally required to protect their mark by asking us
to stop using OSM?

Where is the difference between us weakening the OSMM mark and FOSM
weakening the OSM mark?


Obviously I can't comment or even speculate on OS views on their marks,
and it is just as pointless speculating what we we would do if we were
not constrained by financial and manpower resources (as for example the
WMF for all practical purposes is not). As of now we are just covering
the most important things,

Simon


Under US law, at least, a trademark has to be defended (i.e., 
periodically searching for people making infringing use of the 
trademark, and sending them cease-and-desist letters), or else risk 
having a court later decide that the trademark has been abandoned and is 
now in the public domain, free for anyone to use without requiring 
permission.  This has happened over the years to a number of 
trademarks.  Once a trademark has been defended for a certain number of 
years (I am not certain how long), it gets further legal protection and 
you don't have to defend it quite so vigorously. Back about 15 years 
ago, I worked for a small company that was having to defend its 
trademark, so I have a layman's understanding of the issue.


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[Talk-us] Virtual Mappy Hours reboot

[Martijn van Exel]

Hey all, 

I decided to give the Virtual Mappy Hours another go. The first one will be 
next Wednesday at 5:30 pacific. We’ll talk about State of the Map US. I hope 
you can join! Details are in this diary entry: 
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Re: [Talk-cz] LinuxDays a OpenAlt 2017

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, zadavam data pro OpenAlt /SotM CZ 2017 a potreboval bych vedet
nasledujici:

- OSM track je v Nedeli, prijedes uz na So a budes tedy chtit ubytovani?
- velikost tricka
- 4-6 vet abstrakt prednasky o stavu tur tras, viz.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:SotM2017

Diky


Dne 28. června 2017 1:51 o...@kub.cz  napsal(a):
> Na SOTM mohu přispět krátkým "State of the Trails" jako loni aneb stručný
> přehled toho jak si stojíme podle stejné metodiky jako loni. Kam a jak mě
> zařadíte nechám na aktivněji se podílejících se.
>
> Otázka: Jak bude SOTM probíhat v rámci OpenAlt? Stejně jako bez něho, tj.
> setkání v "přednáškové místnosti"? Jen chci mít představu. Díky
>
>
>
>
> On 04/25/2017 07:45 PM, Marián Kyral wrote:
>
> Ahoj,
> tak se zase pomalu blíží podzim ;-) a s tím i Linux Days [1] a OpenAlt [2].
>
> Letos uvažuji, že bych se zúčastnil obou akcí. Na Linux Days se mi posledně
> líbilo, a mohl bych pokračovat ve své loňské přednášce "OSM včera, dnes a
> zítra". Loni jsem za 50 minut stěží stihl historii, letos by to mohla být
> současnost a za rok si dáme budoucnost :-D
> Na OpenAlt jsem sice ještě nebyl, ale možné pokračování loňského SOTM si
> nemůžu nechat ujít ;-)
>
> Přidá se někdo? Co třeba nějaký stánek propagující OSM na Linux Days? Loni
> se mně na to ptali, ale já nejsem typ na tyhle věci. A letos je ještě
> relativně dost času něco zorganizovat, sehnat sponzory, vyrobit propagační
> předměty…
>
> [1] https://www.linuxdays.cz/2017/
> [2] https://openalt.cz/2017/
>
> Marián
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

It is not bad. But it is centered on two data bases - the Wikidata and 
the OSM. What if in the future there will be more open data sources 
readily available?


Say, a query to listen to an audio-book or listen to music written in a 
certain city, view vacancies, see paintings from museums in a region, 
aerial images of an area, etc.


If synergy, the creation of a whole that is greater than the simple sum 
of its parts, is possible for two parts, then it may be possible for 
more parts too.


Oleksiy

On 9/18/2017 5:13 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote:
I like WOQ. Or maybe WOQL to continue with the SQL, SparQL, MySQL and 
so on. Wok imagery seems nice too.


Janko

pon, 18. ruj 2017. u 09:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev 
> 
napisao je:


Wikipedia is not only about data directly related to the map, it
is also
about mathematics, music, astronomy, etc.  But these disciplines
certainly have a relation to a map via places of birth, study, etc.
So what if to continue the traditions of:
MySQL
PostgresSQL
SparQL
Transact-SQL
etc.

Those who worked with a SQL Structured Query Language know what a
powerful tool it is. The Wikipedia (Wikidata) describes the
universe as
we on Earth know it. So my suggestion:

UniverSQL
or a short final variant:
U-SQL

Univers is the French variant of the english word Universe (lat.
Universum).
Best regards,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Use of Drones

[Malcolm Herring]

On 18/09/2017 11:03, Brian Prangle wrote:

Does anyone have any experience of using drones?


I once used a drone to map an inaccessible island in the Humber. The 
drone's camera can be pointed directly downwards, so I flew it around 
the island, keeping the high water mark in the centre of the frame. I 
then used the stored GPS track to update the map.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Simon Poole]

Am 18.09.2017 um 11:47 schrieb Stephan Knauss:
> Hello Simon,
>
> On 18.09.2017 10:17, Simon Poole wrote:
>> Depending on the territory you can have rights in marks that you have
>> not registered and it is probably completely undisputed that OSM is
>> associated as strongly as OpenStreetMap with the project.
>
> My main interest is whether we actually have OSM as a mark.
>
> I assume you refer to this:
> https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/markeng/__4.html
>
I wasn't actually specifically referenceing Germany, as said it really
depends on which territory you are looking at.
> This requires a majority of the "users" associating OSM with the
> OpenStreetMap Foundation, or maybe with the product the OSMF has which
> is our database.
>
> I assume without a registered trademark it would be up to the OSMF to
> actually prove that they created the OSM mark by using it, right?
In general all trademarks require that you actually use them to at least
maintain your rights,

>
> So wouldn't it be wise to actually register OSM to prevent any doubts
> on having that mark? Costs don't seem that high. Googling mentions 300
> EUR for a registration.
>
> Are we confident, the majority associates OSM with OpenStreetMap?
> There was the OSMAPS@ mark a while ago. It belonged to Ordnance Survey
> Maps, which can also be abbreviated as OSM.
>
> Can we even legally use OSM with Ordnance Survey having OSMM?
> https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/002782688
>
> Wouldn't they be legally required to protect their mark by asking us
> to stop using OSM?
>
> Where is the difference between us weakening the OSMM mark and FOSM
> weakening the OSM mark?
>
Obviously I can't comment or even speculate on OS views on their marks,
and it is just as pointless speculating what we we would do if we were
not constrained by financial and manpower resources (as for example the
WMF for all practical purposes is not). As of now we are just covering
the most important things,

Simon



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[OSM-talk-fr] Importation des hauteurs de bâtiments sur Nice

[Vincent Frison]

Hello,

Je projette d'importer dans OSM la hauteur des bâtiments de la ville de
Nice, un peu comme je l'avais fait il y a 2 ans pour Paris:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Paris,_France/Buildings_Heights_Import

Ici les données viennent du MNT (modèle numérique de terrain) et MNS
(modèle numérique de surface) disponible sur le portail Open Data de la
métropole Nice Côte d'Azur:
http://opendata.nicecotedazur.org/data/dataset/modele-numerique-de-terrain-de-nice-cote-d-azur

En fait j'ai déjà lancé un sujet sur le forum:
http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewtopic.php?f=5=6373

Mais comme je n'ai pas trop eu de retour je poste ici car il y a
visiblement bien plus de trafic (dommage c'est sympa un forum).

De ce que j'ai pu voir mes hauteurs calculées sont suffisamment précises
mais je ne suis pas contre un petit retour avant de faire l'import (2
fichiers d'exemple sont attachés dans mon dernier message du forum). Sinon
je compte je faire l'import dès que j'aurai un peu de temps...

Merci, Vincent.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/17/2017 11:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
> woq.com

Minimum offer 90 EUR, who knows maybe you're lucky. Otherwise, why not
stick with WOQ as the name and use a domain likq woqservice.* et al.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-it] FOSS4G-IT 2018

[Marco Minghini]

> Infine volevo capire da chi è composto il comitato scientifico perchè,
> sul sito, ci sono i loghi di enti o associazioni, ma non i nomi delle
> persone.


Cliccando sul tab "COMITATI" (in alto) trovi le persone che compongono il
Comitato Scientifico (sono abbastana certo sia apertissimo all'ingresso di
altre persone) e quello Organizzatore. Tempo fa ho domandato se ci fosse (e
chi fosse) il chair del convegno, ma non ho avuto risposta, quindi ho
dedotto che non ci sia chair.


> Inoltre, sappiamo bene, che dire Wikimedia Italia vuol dire
> anche OpenStreetMap Italia quindi i loghi - visti come comitato
> scientifico - appaiono ridondanti.
>

Su questo sono d'accordo, eliminerei il logo di OSM per lasciare solo
quelli degli enti organizzatori.

Marco
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[Talk-br] Estudo sobre Motivação para Colaborar com o OpenStreetMap

[Odair Mestrado]

Olá pessoal,



Sou Engenheiro Cartógrafo por formação e faço mestrado na mesma área do
conhecimento com ênfase nos aspectos da *Cartografia Colaborativa*. Minha
pesquisa visa retratar os *Fatores Motivadores e os Perfis Comportamentais
apresentados pelo OpenStreetMap* para melhor compreensão sobre que leva um
indivíduo a participar ou se manter participativo em sistemas desta
natureza. Tenho participado timidamente do OpenStreetMap na área onde
resido, mas acompanho há muito tempo o mapeamento feito pelos voluntários.
Depois de 8 meses de análises de perfis, quantidade de contribuições e
padrões de comportamento, cheguei na fase de entrevistas da minha pesquisa,
que servirão para validar o que foi pesquisado. Por isso estou aqui, para
pedir a quem estiver disposto a me ajudar responder uma seqüência de 7
perguntas rápidas sobre a sua participação no OpenStreetMap.


O questionário está aqui: https://goo.gl/forms/kq7U0Uzk27NjmTEY2




Caso esteja disponível em responder outras perguntas com maior profundidade
(que muito me auxiliarão), ou, se desejar, responda a esse e-mail para que
eu possa entrar em contato.



Muito obrigado!


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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Janko Mihelić]

I like WOQ. Or maybe WOQL to continue with the SQL, SparQL, MySQL and so
on. Wok imagery seems nice too.

Janko

pon, 18. ruj 2017. u 09:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev 
napisao je:

> Wikipedia is not only about data directly related to the map, it is also
> about mathematics, music, astronomy, etc.  But these disciplines
> certainly have a relation to a map via places of birth, study, etc.
> So what if to continue the traditions of:
> MySQL
> PostgresSQL
> SparQL
> Transact-SQL
> etc.
>
> Those who worked with a SQL Structured Query Language know what a
> powerful tool it is. The Wikipedia (Wikidata) describes the universe as
> we on Earth know it. So my suggestion:
>
> UniverSQL
> or a short final variant:
> U-SQL
>
> Univers is the French variant of the english word Universe (lat.
> Universum).
> Best regards,
> Oleksiy
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura linee autobus

[Jo]

normalmente é bastante con gli highway=bus_stop/public_transport=platform
su un node.

Polyglot

2017-09-18 16:30 GMT+02:00 marco zampiva :

> Grazie a tutti per i chiarimenti.
>
> Ora per quanto riguarda ordine delle fermate e percorso la cosa mi è
> abbastanza chiara.
>
> Per quanto riguarda le fermate per ora sto inserendo
> public_transport=platform con i relativi tag associati (e con
> higway=bus_stop per retro conpatibilità) nel punto dove si trova la palina,
> ma leggo che si dovrebbe inserire nella way il punto di arresto del mezzo
> con public_transport=stop_position.
>
> Secondo voi sono necessario o comunque è consigliato inserirli tutti e due
> o è sufficiente public_transport=platform?
>
> Grazie per l’attenzione
>
> Saluti
>
> Marco
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrea Albani [mailto:aob...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:11 PM
> *To:* openstreetmap list - italiano
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura linee autobus
>
>
>
> Da "specifiche" le fermate dovrebbero essere messe prima e il loro ordine
> deve seguire quello del percorso descritto nella relazione.
>
>
> Anche l'ordine dei tratti del percorso è importante e non a caso JOSM da
> errori in tal senso nel relation editor.
>
>
>
> Nella proposta sui trasporti pubblici approvata [0] si trovano queste
> indicazioni in modo chiaro:
>
>
>
> The stops (stop_positions and platforms) should be inserted beginning with
> the initial stop_position/platform and ending with the terminal
> stop_position/platform. The ordering of the stop positions in the relation
> will determine the direction of the route.
>
> ...
> After all the stops all the used ways should be inserted into the relation
> with an empty role. The ways should be inserted beginning with the way at
> the initial stop position and ending with the way at the terminal stop
> position.
>
> Altri aspetti da considerare sono:
>
> - creare una relazione per ogni senso di marcia di ogni linea e per ogni
> eventuale variante
>
> - creare una relazione route master che metta insieme tutte le relazioni
> di linea
>
> - evitare l'uso dei ruoli forward, backward e alternate
>
> Ciao
>
>
> [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport
>
>
>
> Il giorno 16 settembre 2017 16:43, marco zampiva  ha
> scritto:
>
> Buongiorno a tutti,
>
> guardando sia la documentazione sia quanto mappato in Italia vedo che in
> alcuni casi la relazione che descrive una linea di bus contiene all’inizio
> le fermate e di seguito il percorso, in altri casi succede il contrario
> prima il percorso e poi le fermata.
>
> Le due modalità di mappatura sono equivalenti oppure ci sono dei motivi
> per preferirne una rispetto all’altra?
>
> Saluti
>
> Marco
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura linee autobus

[marco zampiva]

Grazie a tutti per i chiarimenti.

Ora per quanto riguarda ordine delle fermate e percorso la cosa mi è abbastanza 
chiara.

Per quanto riguarda le fermate per ora sto inserendo public_transport=platform 
con i relativi tag associati (e con higway=bus_stop per retro conpatibilità) 
nel punto dove si trova la palina, ma leggo che si dovrebbe inserire nella way 
il punto di arresto del mezzo con public_transport=stop_position.

Secondo voi sono necessario o comunque è consigliato inserirli tutti e due o è 
sufficiente public_transport=platform?

Grazie per l’attenzione

Saluti

Marco

 

 

From: Andrea Albani [mailto:aob...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:11 PM
To: openstreetmap list - italiano
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura linee autobus

 

Da "specifiche" le fermate dovrebbero essere messe prima e il loro ordine deve 
seguire quello del percorso descritto nella relazione.


Anche l'ordine dei tratti del percorso è importante e non a caso JOSM da errori 
in tal senso nel relation editor.

 

Nella proposta sui trasporti pubblici approvata [0] si trovano queste 
indicazioni in modo chiaro:

 

The stops (stop_positions and platforms) should be inserted beginning with the 
initial stop_position/platform and ending with the terminal 
stop_position/platform. The ordering of the stop positions in the relation will 
determine the direction of the route. 

...
After all the stops all the used ways should be inserted into the relation with 
an empty role. The ways should be inserted beginning with the way at the 
initial stop position and ending with the way at the terminal stop position.

Altri aspetti da considerare sono:

- creare una relazione per ogni senso di marcia di ogni linea e per ogni 
eventuale variante

- creare una relazione route master che metta insieme tutte le relazioni di 
linea

- evitare l'uso dei ruoli forward, backward e alternate

Ciao


[0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport

 

Il giorno 16 settembre 2017 16:43, marco zampiva  ha 
scritto:

Buongiorno a tutti,

guardando sia la documentazione sia quanto mappato in Italia vedo che in alcuni 
casi la relazione che descrive una linea di bus contiene all’inizio le fermate 
e di seguito il percorso, in altri casi succede il contrario prima il percorso 
e poi le fermata.

Le due modalità di mappatura sono equivalenti oppure ci sono dei motivi per 
preferirne una rispetto all’altra?

Saluti

Marco


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Re: [Talk-us] Edits in Phoenix, Arizona

[Greg Morgan]

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Horea Meleg 
wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> We are editing in Maricopa and Pinal counties area, where we have tiger
> and approved local data. Thanks for all input and advice. We already talked
> with Hans about highway tags when we had some concerns. We talked with some
> mappers in Phoenix about signpost and the tag destination:street, which we
> used before in other areas but in Phoenix it’s not used. Could you give us
> some pointers: why do you not use it? Could we?
>

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/60547575
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/756209453

Look at the history on these to objects.  Was name, ref, exit_to, or
destination the tag to use or now is it destination:street?  Do you put the
tags on the node or the way? In my case, freeway exit numbers and mileposts
are important.  I put in many of the exit numbers.  I found something
better to do that keep up with all the "shall we do it this way
discussions".  Go right ahead and make the changes.  Your changes will be a
model for other future exits or exits left unchanged.

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Re: [OSM-ja] 長距離のGPXデータを手軽に作図する方法を教えて下さい．

[Toshihisa Tanaka]

としです．


ikiyaです。

JOSMでのGPX>OSM変換と大して変わらない気はしますが、
"困った時のGPSBabel"で、変換フリーソフトGPSBabelを勧めています。
ほとんどのものをよいしょとOSMフォーマットにしてくれます。


あ，今でも GPSBabel での OSM データ作成は使われるのですね．


もう一点、100m間隔の作図ですが、GPXから変換したOSMデータを使う前提でお話しすると、JOSMのSimplifyAreaプラグインお勧めします。


SimplifyAreaプラグインは知りませんでした．ありがとうございます．
JOSM は不慣れなのですが，どうも「ツール」ー「ウェイの単純化」と
言うのがあり，これで間引きが出来るようでした．


２つともとしさんの質問外していそうですが、ご参考まで。


いえいえ，ありがとうございます．
先ほどの muramoto さんから頂いたフォローもふまえて，先ほど
新日本海フェリー航路（敦賀〜新潟〜秋田まで）を作図できました．

ではこれにて

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Re: [Talk-GB] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[SK53]

That was the work of Yuwei Lin and Manuela Schmidt:
https://www.slideshare.net/linyuwei/sot-m-femalemapperslinschmidt


On 18 September 2017 at 12:50, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> I have memories of this being in a talk at SOTM 2013 in Birmingham.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
> On 18 September 2017 12:04:01 BST, Harry Wood 
> wrote:
>>
>> So I guess you're looking for : https://vimeo.com/44870758
>> SheepCamp 2012, Monica Stephens
>>
>>
>> There's a pretty big list of articles and talks on the Diversity wiki page 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity
>>
>> Harry
>> --
>>
>> From: Zoe Gardner 
>> To: Dave F 
>> Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
>> Sent: Monday, 18 September 2017, 11:25
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Open survey on participation biases in OSM
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave
>>
>> Here is a link to the article you are talking about. The author is Monica 
>> Stephens. It may be tricky to access if you're not affiliated to an 
>> institution that subscribes to the journal. However, you should be able 
>> access the abstract. I haven't seen her presenting this work but with the 
>> info from the link you may be able to find something.
>>
>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10708-013-9492-z
>>
>>
>> Hope its what you were looking for.
>>
>> Zoe
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Dave F  wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>> My Youtube history got cleared. Does anyone have a link the video of
>>>
>>a woman giving a lecture about contribution discrepancies in open
>>data projects. She used OSM brothels & childcare as examples.
>>
>>>
>>> Ta
>>> DaveF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/09/2017 11:38, Zoe Gardner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>


 Dear OSM talk-gb subscriber

>
> I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the 
> University of Nottingham, interested in participation biases in 
> geospatial crowdsourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered 
> Geographical Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is 
> concerned with the way in which participation biases in OSM may 
> potentially affect the usability of the data that is collected and 
> subsequently what is available to location based service providers which 
> use OSM as their primary geospatial database.
> The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong male 
> bias in OSM participation. This has led to assertions that various 
> geospatial knowledge could be under represented or poorly recorded on the 
> map. However, the actual consequences of this bias remain little explored 
> or reported. By collecting information about contributors to OSM, which 
> can then be analyzed along with their editing patterns, the impacts of 
> this bias might begin to be measured and therefore better understood. I 
> have therefore published an online survey designed to collect information 
> directly from OSM editors and I would like to invite as many of you as 
> possible to participate. The survey is anonymous and takes a couple of 
> minutes to complete.
> If you are an OSM contributor and are interested in or would like to 
> participate in the study, please click on the link below, which will take 
> you to the Bristol Online Survey website where you will find more 
> information and an opportunity to participate in the survey. As a small 
> incentive, at the close of the survey in a few weeks’ time, 60 
> respondents will be drawn at random to receive a £15 Amazon voucher.
>
> To participate in the survey, click on the link below:
>
> https://nottingham.onlinesurve ys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles
>
> Please do think about participating. It is hoped that knowledge about the 
> way participation biases impact on crowdsourced maps will enable new 
> strategies to be developed to address any resulting voids in the 
> geospatial information provided by amateur mappers. In turn this could 
> strengthen the role played by platforms such as OSM in urban planning and 
> sustainability and raise the profile of the important mapping work that 
> you all do.
>
> In the meantime, if you would like to know more about me, my research 
> activities or the project, please visit my University webpage (link 
> below) and do not hesitate to get in touch directly or via the OSM 
> messaging service.
>
> https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/e ngineering/people/zoe.gardner
>
> Thank you
> Zoe
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-it] nuovi tag per idrante e correlato, era Idrante

[Alberto]

> La cosa che non riesco a capire è l'interesse per le chiavi di manovra. Non 
> ho visto sinceramente se si prendono in considerazione gli attacchi degli > 
> idranti (Storz, UNI 45, UNI 70 ecc ecc.). Poi perché fermarsi alla sola 
> chiave e non prendere in considerazione tutto il corredo idrante?

Il tipo di chiave per aprirli è utile perché se uno ha con sé solo uno o due 
tipi di chiave, sa quali idranti riuscirà ad aprire, specialmente quando si 
viene chiamati per un'emergenza al di fuori del proprio territorio di lavoro 
abituale.

Gli attacchi vengono definiti da questi tag:
couplings=* numero di attacchi
couplings:type=* tipo di standard UNI, Storz, ecc
couplings:diameters=* diametri dei vari attacchi, separati da ; (esempio 
couplings:diameters=45;45;70)

Se uno vuole prendere in considerazione tutto l'idrante può usare i tag:
model=*
manufacturer=*

Ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Strada interrotta e routing

[Francesco Pelullo]

Il giorno 18 settembre 2017 13:22, Fabrizio Carrai <
fabrizio.car...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
> Ho provato quelli accessibili dalla mappa di OSM (www.openstreetmap.org)
> e con OpenRouteService.
>

OpenRouteService offre un servizio di routing su dati "in tempo reale"
proprio per eventi calamitosi.
Il sito è disaster.openrouteservice.org
Purtroppo in questo momento è attivo soltanto per alcune aree degli USA, i
Caraibi ed il Bangladesh.
Credo che si possa richiedere l'attivazione di un'altra area per la
Liguria, ma non ho idea di cosa/come fare.




>
>
>>
>> In generale, si aggiornano abbastanza di rado, tipo una volta al mese o
>> giù di lì.
>>
>
> Per delle prove mi serve qualcosa di più reattivo...
>
>
>>
>> Se ti riferisci al routing di OsmAnd, ed hai l'abbonamento alle live
>> maps, devi abilitare il routing sui dati live (c'è un'opzione apposta).
>>
>
> No, almeno inizialmente mi serviva qualcosa da usare da un PC.
>
>

Se non riesci a risolvere tramite disaster.openrouteservice.org, puoi
tentare la carta estrema... :-)

Con Windows: installi Garmin Basemap, scarichi le mappe OSM di Luca
Delucchi da http://www.geodati.fmach.it/italia_osm.html (aggiornate ogni
24h) e usi il routing offline

Con Linux: installi QLandKarte al posto di Basemap, poi è tutto uguale.

In estrema ratio, usi QGIS importando i dati live di OSM. Soluzione più
complessa, ma molto più versatile.

Spero di essere stato d'aiuto.

Ciao
/niubii/
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Re: [Talk-GB] Use of Drones

[Dan S]

2017-09-18 11:03 GMT+01:00 Brian Prangle :
> The regulations on the use of drones in the UK are already quite restrictive
> (if, of course, you're a  responsible memeber of society) and are imminently
> to become even more restrictive with licensing and proof of competence
> becoming requirements.

Sounds great!

> I'm pessimistic about being able to make use of
> drones to capture imagery. Does anyone have any experience of using drones?

FYI there seems to be plenty of work on those in the HOT domain - I
remember Ivan from MSF demoing his quadcopter rig in London. However I
presume they're deploying them overseas.

Best
Dan

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Re: [Talk-GB] Use of Drones

[Philip Barnes]

There was a talk by 'the only licensed drone pilot in Scotland'  at SOTM 
Scotland a couple of years ago.

I missed the outdoor demo as I went to the NLS map library. 

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 18 September 2017 12:14:01 BST, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>Oleksiy Muzalyev seems to be pretty knowledgable on drones. He has
>posted about it a couple of times on the talk mailing list.
>e.g.
>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-September/076758.html
>
>But he's not living in the UK.
>
>regards
>
>m.
>
>On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Brian Prangle 
>wrote:
>> The regulations on the use of drones in the UK are already quite
>restrictive
>> (if, of course, you're a  responsible memeber of society) and are
>imminently
>> to become even more restrictive with licensing and proof of
>competence
>> becoming requirements. I'm pessimistic about being able to make use
>of
>> drones to capture imagery. Does anyone have any experience of using
>drones?
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Philip Barnes]

I have memories of this being in a talk at SOTM 2013 in Birmingham.

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 18 September 2017 12:04:01 BST, Harry Wood  wrote:
>So I guess you're looking for : https://vimeo.com/44870758  
>SheepCamp 2012, Monica Stephens
>
>
>There's a pretty big list of articles and talks on the Diversity wiki
>page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity
>
>Harry
>
>From: Zoe Gardner 
>To: Dave F  
>Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
>Sent: Monday, 18 September 2017, 11:25
>Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Open survey on participation biases in OSM
>
>
>
>Hi Dave
>
>Here is a link to the article you are talking about. The author is
>Monica Stephens. It may be tricky to access if you're not affiliated to
>an institution that subscribes to the journal. However, you should be
>able access the abstract. I haven't seen her presenting this work but
>with the info from the link you may be able to find something. 
>
>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10708-013-9492-z
>
>
>Hope its what you were looking for. 
>
>Zoe
>
>
>On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Dave F 
>wrote:
>
>Hi
>>My Youtube history got cleared. Does anyone have a link the video of
>   a woman giving a lecture about contribution discrepancies in open
>   data projects. She used OSM brothels & childcare as examples.
>>
>>Ta
>>DaveF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 04/09/2017 11:38, Zoe Gardner wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear OSM talk-gb subscriber
 
I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the
>University of Nottingham, interested in participation biases in
>geospatial crowdsourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered
>Geographical Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is
>concerned with the way in which participation biases in OSM may
>potentially affect the usability of the data that is collected and
>subsequently what is available to location based service providers
>which use OSM as their primary geospatial database.
The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong
>male bias in OSM participation. This has led to assertions that various
>geospatial knowledge could be under represented or poorly recorded on
>the map. However, the actual consequences of this bias remain little
>explored or reported. By collecting information about contributors to
>OSM, which can then be analyzed along with their editing patterns, the
>impacts of this bias might begin to be measured and therefore better
>understood. I have therefore published an online survey designed to
>collect information directly from OSM editors and I would like to
>invite as many of you as possible to participate. The survey is
>anonymous and takes a couple of minutes to complete. 
If you are an OSM contributor and are interested in or would like to
>participate in the study, please click on the link below, which will
>take you to the Bristol Online Survey website where you will find more
>information and an opportunity to participate in the survey. As a small
>incentive, at the close of the survey in a few weeks’ time, 60
>respondents will be drawn at random to receive a £15 Amazon voucher.
 
To participate in the survey, click on the link below:
 
https://nottingham.onlinesurve ys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles
 
Please do think about participating. It is hoped that knowledge
>about the way participation biases impact on crowdsourced maps will
>enable new strategies to be developed to address any resulting voids in
>the geospatial information provided by amateur mappers. In turn this
>could strengthen the role played by platforms such as OSM in urban
>planning and sustainability and raise the profile of the important
>mapping work that you all do. 
 
In the meantime, if you would like to know more about me, my
>research activities or the project, please visit my University webpage
>(link below) and do not hesitate to get in touch directly or via the
>OSM messaging service. 
 
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/e ngineering/people/zoe.gardner
 
Thank you
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Re: [Talk-it] Strada interrotta e routing

[Massimiliano Guidi]

>
> No, almeno inizialmente mi serviva qualcosa da usare da un PC.
>

Scarica QMapShack, poi prendi i .pbf da Geofabrik e con Routino (integrato
in QMS) crei il database di routing per fare i test. Ti tocca comunque
aspettare 24 ore per i file aggiornati di Geofabrik. Per far prima dovresti
poter salvare in .osm  da JOSM e convertire in .pbf con OSMConvert, ma non
ho mai provato.

Indispensabile leggere la documentazione di QMS, non è molto intuitivo come
software.
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Re: [Talk-it] Strada interrotta e routing

[Fabrizio Carrai]

Ciao Francesco,

Il giorno 18 settembre 2017 08:02, Francesco Pelullo 
ha scritto:

>
>
> Il 18 set 2017 07:34, "Fabrizio Carrai"  ha
> scritto:
>
> Dopo la tragica alluvione che ha colpito Livorno ho dovuto inserire un tag
> barrier=jersey_barrier per l'interruzione della SP8 [1]. Come ricordato da
> Daniele ho atteso diverse ore, ma il routing continua a farmi passare sulla
> strada, il tag barrier sembra ignorato.
> Avete delle indicazioni ?
>
>
> Ciao
>
> Quale servizio di routing?
>

Ho provato quelli accessibili dalla mappa di OSM (www.openstreetmap.org) e
con OpenRouteService.


>
> In generale, si aggiornano abbastanza di rado, tipo una volta al mese o
> giù di lì.
>

Per delle prove mi serve qualcosa di più reattivo...


>
> Se ti riferisci al routing di OsmAnd, ed hai l'abbonamento alle live maps,
> devi abilitare il routing sui dati live (c'è un'opzione apposta).
>

No, almeno inizialmente mi serviva qualcosa da usare da un PC.



>
> Ciao
> /niubii/
>
>
>
Grazie

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Re: [OSM-ja] 長距離のGPXデータを手軽に作図する方法を教えて下さい．

[insidekiwi555]

ikiyaです。

JOSMでのGPX>OSM変換と大して変わらない気はしますが、
"困った時のGPSBabel"で、変換フリーソフトGPSBabelを勧めています。
ほとんどのものをよいしょとOSMフォーマットにしてくれます。


もう一点、100m間隔の作図ですが、GPXから変換したOSMデータを使う前提でお話しすると、JOSMのSimplifyAreaプラグインお勧めします。
SimplifyAreaプラグインはエリアだけでなく、Wayのノードもよい感じに簡素化（間引き）できるツールです。（よくお世話になっています。）
単純に距離だけでノードを間引く場合は、プラグインの設定にある「エリアを簡素化」のウィンドウで
「近接するノードを結合するしきい値」の値を100にすれば、一括で100m間隔のノードに結合（間引き）できます。

２つともとしさんの質問外していそうですが、ご参考まで。




- Original Message -
>From: Toshihisa Tanaka 
>To: talk-ja@openstreetmap.org 
>Date: 2017/9/18, Mon 19:34
>Subject: Re: [OSM-ja] 長距離のGPXデータを手軽に作図する方法を教えて下さい．
> 
>としです．
>
>On 2017/09/18 19:19, tomoya muramoto wrote:
>> こんにちは。
>> 
>> 直接の回答ではありませんが、
>> 私は航路を描く際は、ズームレベルをかなり低くして、10〜100km程度の間隔でポイントを打っています。このやり方なら、500kmの航路も大きな苦労なく描けるのではないでしょうか。
>> (航路を精度よく描く必要はないため、上記の描き方にしています。港の近くはある程度細かく描きますが。
>
>ありがとうございます．
>確かに航路は一直線の時は一直線なので，10km〜100km の間隔でも充分なデータになりそうですね．
>このやり方で作図してみます．
>
>ではこれにて．
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Re: [Talk-GB] Use of Drones

[Marc Gemis]

Oleksiy Muzalyev seems to be pretty knowledgable on drones. He has
posted about it a couple of times on the talk mailing list.
e.g. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-September/076758.html

But he's not living in the UK.

regards

m.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> The regulations on the use of drones in the UK are already quite restrictive
> (if, of course, you're a  responsible memeber of society) and are imminently
> to become even more restrictive with licensing and proof of competence
> becoming requirements. I'm pessimistic about being able to make use of
> drones to capture imagery. Does anyone have any experience of using drones?
>
> regards
>
> Brian
>
> ___
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Re: [Talk-GB] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Harry Wood]

So I guess you're looking for : https://vimeo.com/44870758  
SheepCamp 2012, Monica Stephens


There's a pretty big list of articles and talks on the Diversity wiki page 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity

Harry

From: Zoe Gardner 
To: Dave F  
Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Monday, 18 September 2017, 11:25
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Open survey on participation biases in OSM



Hi Dave

Here is a link to the article you are talking about. The author is Monica 
Stephens. It may be tricky to access if you're not affiliated to an institution 
that subscribes to the journal. However, you should be able access the 
abstract. I haven't seen her presenting this work but with the info from the 
link you may be able to find something. 

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10708-013-9492-z


Hope its what you were looking for. 

Zoe


On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Dave F  wrote:

Hi
>My Youtube history got cleared. Does anyone have a link the video of
   a woman giving a lecture about contribution discrepancies in open
   data projects. She used OSM brothels & childcare as examples.
>
>Ta
>DaveF
>
>
>
>
>On 04/09/2017 11:38, Zoe Gardner wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear OSM talk-gb subscriber
>>> 
>>>I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the 
>>>University of Nottingham, interested in participation biases in geospatial 
>>>crowdsourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered Geographical 
>>>Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is concerned with 
>>>the way in which participation biases in OSM may potentially affect the 
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>>>and raise the profile of the important mapping work that you all do. 
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>>>In the meantime, if you would like to know more about me, my research 
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Re: [Talk-in] Adding wikidata tag for Rivers and National parks in India.

[Warin]

On 18-Sep-17 06:39 PM, Naveen Francis wrote:

I am trying to add wikidata tags for rivers and national parks.
Noticed few are mapped as relation(group of lines) and others mapped 
as shape.

Is there any standard we follow ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Naveenpf/sandbox#Rivers_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Naveenpf/sandbox#National_park_in_India



If the area/way can be mapped as an OSM simple single way then do that.

When the area shares ways (boundaries or sections of ways) with other 
objects then those shared ways become members of the OSM relation that 
forms the area.
This sharing reduces the quantity of OSM data and makes any edition of 
the shared boundary effect both (or in some cases more than 2, I have 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Zoe Gardner]

Hi Dave

Here is a link to the article you are talking about. The author is Monica
Stephens. It may be tricky to access if you're not affiliated to an
institution that subscribes to the journal. However, you should be able
access the abstract. I haven't seen her presenting this work but with the
info from the link you may be able to find something.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10708-013-9492-z

Hope its what you were looking for.

Zoe

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Dave F  wrote:

> Hi
> My Youtube history got cleared. Does anyone have a link the video of a
> woman giving a lecture about contribution discrepancies in open data
> projects. She used OSM brothels & childcare as examples.
>
> Ta
> DaveF
>
>
>
> On 04/09/2017 11:38, Zoe Gardner wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear OSM talk-gb subscriber
>
>
>
> I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the
> University of Nottingham, interested in participation biases in geospatial
> crowdsourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered Geographical
> Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is concerned with
> the way in which participation biases in OSM may potentially affect the
> usability of the data that is collected and subsequently what is available
> to location based service providers which use OSM as their primary
> geospatial database.
>
> The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong male
> bias in OSM participation. This has led to assertions that various
> geospatial knowledge could be under represented or poorly recorded on the
> map. However, the actual consequences of this bias remain little explored
> or reported. By collecting information about contributors to OSM, which can
> then be analyzed along with their editing patterns, the impacts of this
> bias might begin to be measured and therefore better understood. I have
> therefore published an online survey designed to collect information
> directly from OSM editors and I would like to invite as many of you as
> possible to participate. The survey is anonymous and takes a couple of
> minutes to complete.
>
> If you are an OSM contributor and are interested in or would like to
> participate in the study, please click on the link below, which will take
> you to the Bristol Online Survey website where you will find more
> information and an opportunity to participate in the survey. As a small
> incentive, at the close of the survey in a few weeks’ time, 60 respondents
> will be drawn at random to receive a £15 Amazon voucher.
>
>
>
> To participate in the survey, click on the link below:
>
>
>
> https://nottingham.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles
>
>
>
> Please do think about participating. It is hoped that knowledge about the
> way participation biases impact on crowdsourced maps will enable new
> strategies to be developed to address any resulting voids in the geospatial
> information provided by amateur mappers. In turn this could strengthen the
> role played by platforms such as OSM in urban planning and sustainability
> and raise the profile of the important mapping work that you all do.
>
>
>
> In the meantime, if you would like to know more about me, my research
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Re: [OSM-ja] 長距離のGPXデータを手軽に作図する方法を教えて下さい．

[tomoya muramoto]

こんにちは。

直接の回答ではありませんが、
私は航路を描く際は、ズームレベルをかなり低くして、10〜100km程度の間隔でポイントを打っています。このやり方なら、500kmの航路も大きな苦労なく描けるのではないでしょうか。
(航路を精度よく描く必要はないため、上記の描き方にしています。港の近くはある程度細かく描きますが。

ご参考まで。

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Re: [Talk-cz] Smazaná data v okolí Kytína

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"
https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=18/49.84856/14.21683=oOL4
https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=18/49.84856/14.21683=dL4;






...no tady by to krom jiného ze startu zasloužilo spravit trasování Aleje
Antonína Vítka... :) V tomto případě ortofoto i LPIS shodně říkají "dej to
přesně semka..." :)
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[Talk-GB] Use of Drones

[Brian Prangle]

The regulations on the use of drones in the UK are already quite
restrictive (if, of course, you're a  responsible memeber of society) and
are imminently to become even more restrictive with licensing and proof of
competence becoming requirements. I'm pessimistic about being able to make
use of drones to capture imagery. Does anyone have any experience of using
drones?

regards

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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Stephan Knauss]

Hello Simon,

On 18.09.2017 10:17, Simon Poole wrote:

Depending on the territory you can have rights in marks that you have
not registered and it is probably completely undisputed that OSM is
associated as strongly as OpenStreetMap with the project.


My main interest is whether we actually have OSM as a mark.

I assume you refer to this:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/markeng/__4.html

This requires a majority of the "users" associating OSM with the 
OpenStreetMap Foundation, or maybe with the product the OSMF has which 
is our database.


I assume without a registered trademark it would be up to the OSMF to 
actually prove that they created the OSM mark by using it, right?


So wouldn't it be wise to actually register OSM to prevent any doubts on 
having that mark? Costs don't seem that high. Googling mentions 300 EUR 
for a registration.


Are we confident, the majority associates OSM with OpenStreetMap?
There was the OSMAPS@ mark a while ago. It belonged to Ordnance Survey 
Maps, which can also be abbreviated as OSM.


Can we even legally use OSM with Ordnance Survey having OSMM? 
https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/002782688


Wouldn't they be legally required to protect their mark by asking us to 
stop using OSM?


Where is the difference between us weakening the OSMM mark and FOSM 
weakening the OSM mark?


Stephan

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[OSM-ja] 長距離のGPXデータを手軽に作図する方法を教えて下さい．

[Toshihisa Tanaka]

とし＠かなりご無沙汰です．

つい先日，秋田〜山形〜仙台を周り，秋田へは敦賀港から日本海フェリーで
秋田港へ行きました．
この経路はGPSロガーで記録しており，GPXログをアップしています．

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tosihisa/traces/2503987

で，ここからが質問なのですが，「日本海フェリー 敦賀港〜新潟港」
「日本海フェリー 新潟港〜秋田港」と，二つの route=ferry をOSM作図
したいのですが，二つで 500km 近くありそうで，手作業でコツコツと
OSM作図するのは少々時間を要すると考えていまして，楽に作図できないか
考えています．

手頃な方法で思いつくのは，JOSM で GPX を開いて OSM データに変換する事
なのですが，アップロードしようとすると，この方法は強く推奨しない旨の
ダイアログが出るので，少し躊躇っています．
（とは言え，昔は割とそのままアップしていたようには思いますが...）

要は，手軽にGPX->OSMに変換し，不要なデータは手動削除してアップしたい
のですが，何か良い方法があれば教えて頂けると助かります．

蛇足ですが，帰りは仙台港から名古屋港に太平洋フェリーで移動したのですが，
窓際の部屋が確保できずにGPSログが取れませんでした．
＃無理してでもイイ部屋を取るべきだったかもしれません（汗

ではこれにて．


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Re: [Talk-us] Edits in Phoenix, Arizona

[Horea Meleg]

Hi Greg,
We are editing in Maricopa and Pinal counties area, where we have tiger and 
approved local data. Thanks for all input and advice. We already talked with 
Hans about highway tags when we had some concerns. We talked with some mappers 
in Phoenix about signpost and the tag destination:street, which we used before 
in other areas but in Phoenix it’s not used. Could you give us some pointers: 
why do you not use it? Could we?
Thanks,
Horea Meleg

From: Greg Morgan [mailto:dr.kludge...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 6:01 PM
To: Horea Meleg 
Cc: talk-US@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Edits in Phoenix, Arizona



On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Horea Meleg 
> wrote:

Hi everyone!

This is Horea and I am part of the mapping team at Telenav.

To make OpenStreetMap more navigable and accurate in guidance, our mapping team 
is planning to start editing in Phoenix.

Do you mean the City of Phoenix or the metro Phoenix area?  There is plenty of 
work to do in both.  However, I'd like your team to stay awhile and work on the 
metro area.  ;-)


In the next weeks we will focus on road geometry, road name, oneways, signpost, 
speed limit, lanes and turn lanes.

This is where you come in! Beside the general OSM mapping guidelines 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page, 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features), do you have any local mapping 
guidelines for us? Also, we appreciate any hints regarding available local or 
government data that we might be able to us.

We'd love any input and advice!


 On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Martijn van Exel 
> wrote:
turn restrictions, missing roads (if any), one-way roads, traffic signals, some 
carto features such as parks.

Hans Dekryger is a mapping force.  I think he maps all those features except 
turn restrictions. Hans has done a great job of adding dual carriage ways to 
metro Phoenix.  Most of the turn restriction and traffic flow entries are false 
positives.  I see many no left turns suggestions where a dual carriage way 
comes together. Only a few drivers make the u-turn.  It would be incorrect to 
add those restrictions.

As always we will respect local mappers’ work above everything.
Thank you for your concern.

Sources will be Bing / DG, OpenStreetCam, Mapillary,
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/109740061
Bing is your best bet.  Digital Globe is not even competitive.
If you look at the new ASU Law building, you can see that Bing has the building 
under construction. DG premium show the area as a green parking lot. DG 
standard shows the footing being dug.  DG is great for rural areas but not 
here.  Bing is actual airplane flyovers around 2014 .  The new ESRI imagery is 
newer but it does not let you overzoom.  Bing will still give you tiles to zoom 
20.  ESRI has newer data to zoom 17 and then shows the same DG standard for 18. 
Overzooming only provides white tiles.

ImproveOSM (GPS based detections) augmented with government data where possible 
(which is where Horea’s question came from).



Where possible we will publish MapRoulette / Tasking Manager jobs for anyone to 
participate.
The Phoenix area was hit hard by the chdr changes.  Fredrick lists affected 
streets as Arizona but there are only three small outliers: Yuma, a few along 
Mexico, and Tucson.  The rest were sub-prime rate subdivisions that chdr either 
added the geometry and name or just the name.  The tiger2015 layer is more than 
adequate to cover these names.  I have set all  name tags to 
chdr_USA_AZ_name_fixup_required because the rest of the metro Phoenix are 
pockets.  You can use any number of tools to search and repair the name.  Other 
than this issue I cannot think of any potential MapRoulette challenges.


If you have any (other) specific insights to share, like locally specific 
mapping practices, things on the ground that are different / specific to the 
area, data you’ve worked with, let us know. Thanks!
 Remove all the tiger tags when you are done with a street.  Add surface tags 
and lanes if you can. I use surface tag of dirt verses tracks.  I started using 
the dirt surface tag when the town of Tonopah disappeared on 
http://tripmaker.randmcnally.com/
 . Tripmaker will let you route over dirt but tracks do not display.

You really cannot use blue tiles like you would else where.  Most all of our 
flood plains are recreation areas such as golf courses, and area mini parks.  
Most of the small neighborhood green looking mini-park areas are dual use.  
They are a catch basin during heavy rains but function as a park.  Here is an 
example 

[Talk-in] Adding wikidata tag for Rivers and National parks in India.

[Naveen Francis]

I am trying to add wikidata tags for rivers and national parks.
Noticed few are mapped as relation(group of lines) and others mapped as
shape.
Is there any standard we follow ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Naveenpf/sandbox#Rivers_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Naveenpf/sandbox#National_park_in_India

thanks,
naveenpf
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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM now supports OSM+Wikidata service

[Yuri Astrakhan]

At the moment, I do not parse semicolon-separated values, but store them as
strings. In theory, it should be possible to split them into URIs and use
them for matching, but it will be painful.   On the other hand, it should
be fairly easy to parse them during upload - RDF DBs work well with
multiple values per statement.  I will adjust my parser and next time I do
a big import, I will update it.  But I am still looking for a server to
host it, so might take a bit of time.

SPARQL language took me a bit to understand, until I went back and simply
read the very few basics - then it all made sense all of a sudden. At the
end, its just a single giant table with 3 columns. :)

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Jo  wrote:

> That is wonderful news! It will take a while before I get used to that
> query language though.
>
> Does it also work if an object has a semicolon separated list of wikidata
> items in for example subject:wikidata? A statue with more than one person
> in it, for example?
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2017-09-18 7:28 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan :
>
>> The "not yet fully named" service is now accessible directly from JOSM -
>> just like OT.  Simply install or update Wikipedia plugin, and it will show
>> up in the download data screen (expert mode).
>>
>> Documentation:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_qu
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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Simon Poole]

Depending on the territory you can have rights in marks that you have
not registered and it is probably completely undisputed that OSM is
associated as strongly as OpenStreetMap with the project.

Why is using it in a domain name etc problematic: for the same reasons
as using any other mark is. Just ask Richard about OsmAnd.

Simon

PS: there is a list on the wiki of our successfully registered
trademarks that we keep reasonably up to date.

Am 18.09.2017 um 09:12 schrieb Stephan Knauss:
> Hello Simon,
>
> On 08.09.2017 20:02, Simon Poole wrote:
>> Further we've added a clarification to the FAQ wrt use of remixes in
>> domain names and that use of the OpenStreetMap mark soley for
>> attribution does not require a trademark notice.
>
> Most of us are not that fluent with trademark law, nor I am.
> Could you please give some hints why "osm" as part of domain names
> should conflict with our registered OpenStreetMap marks?
>
> Like "fosm".
>
> I tried to figure it out, but OSM does not seem to be a registered
> mark of the OpenStreetMap Foundation:
> https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/owners/574987
>
>
> There are two marks of OSM registered:
> https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#advanced/trademarks/1/50/n1=MarkVerbalElementText=OSM=AND=IS=ApplicationNumber=asc
>
>
> One in class 9, which does not seem to apply for out context and one
> registered for class 8 and 35 which could with some fantasy conflict.
>
> Again: I fully understand why OpenThingMap or OpenStreetSomething is
> bad. Or why the domain I had a wile ago for training stuff,
> "openstreetmap.academy" is problematic.
>
> But why is OSM as the abbreviation considered to be a problem?
> If we would want to protect it, shouldn't we register a trademark for it?
>
> We in this context is the OSMF.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Tak ještě jeden dotaz k focení rozcestníků

[majka]

No tak tam dneska ještě jednou zajedu, přemístění o 50 m je tady dost
výrazné, není tam vidět. A trasu už mám "odkontrolovanou" z loňska, takže
jsem tam nepokračovala.
Jen mi to druhé info od KČT nedorazilo, díky za upozornění

2017-09-18 9:47 GMT+02:00 Zdeněk Pražák :

> no podle odpovědi na turistickeznaceni.cz jsou směrovky přemístěny o cca
> 50 m na sloup veřejného osvětlení
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Re: [Talk-cz] Smazaná data v okolí Kytína

[Marián Kyral]

Ona ta LPIS data jsou docela přesná, ale ne vždy úplně kompletní. Některá
políčka tam chybí. A občas se tam objeví nějaké zuby, které vypadají
podivně, ale většinou tam už rostě nějaký dům. Jen se to ještě neprojevilo
na ortofoto.

Hlavní problém je v tom, že bezmyšlenkovitě překlikat existující pole je
rychlé, ale následné úpravy a sladění s okolím už je mnohem pracnější. A je
toho hodně. Ani v blízkém okolí se mi to stále ještě nepodařilo úplně všude
projít :-(

Porovnání dat - OSM, LPIS a ortofoto je možné na osmap.cz. Zdá se, že nějaké
změny tam jsou:

https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=18/49.84856/14.21683=oOL4
https://openstreetmap.cz/#map=18/49.84856/14.21683=dL4

Marián

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"Nicméně pět let je docela dlouhá doba. To se tam toho mohlo docela dost
změnit.

Tam kde byla louka je teď dům, tam kde bylo křoví zase louka...

Máš možnost to tam ověřit?

Marián


17. září 2017 13:35:46 SELČ, "Jindřich Houska" 
napsal:"


Ahoj,


jsou odlišné. Neměl jsem tam ale všude loouky apod., podle reality jsem tam
dával křoviny apod.


J.





Dne 17. září 2017 13:11 Pavel Machek 
napsal(a):
"Ahoj!

> před několika lety jsem na základě satelitních map a trackování v terénu
> dokreslil okolí Mníšku pod Brdy tak, aby tam byla všechna pole, lesy,
louky
> atd. co nejpřesněji podle skutečnosti. Investoval jsem do toho dost velké
> množství času.
>
> Cca před dvěma lety tato data někdo smazal a pravděpodobně naimportoval
> data z RUIANu. Je to vidět např. v okolí Kytína, kde kvůli tomu vznikly
> bílé plochy na mapě (původně byla mapa kompaktně pokrytá). Viz
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52061130#map=16/49.8587/14.2206
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52061130#map=16/49.8587/14.2206)
>
> Je možné vrátit původní data zpátky?

Urcite je.. na druhou stranu. Fakt nejsou ty bile plochy odlisne od
tech RUIAN-luk? Z me zkusenosti tam vetsinou je rozdil.
                                                                       
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Re: [Talk-cz] Tak ještě jeden dotaz k focení rozcestníků

[Zdeněk Pražák]

no podle odpovědi na turistickeznaceni.cz jsou směrovky přemístěny o cca 50
m na sloup veřejného osvětlení

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Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Tak ještě jeden dotaz k focení rozcestníků
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Tak tady se shodneme. Ta poznámka v datech tam leží už rok, pokud jsem jí
při poslední editaci nesmázla, a to nahlášení na KČT bude mít za dva dny
narozeniny :)


2017-09-18 9:14 GMT+02:00 Tom Ka :
"Ahoj, fotku bych odtagoval jako 'znaceni' - to je to co an ni vidim.
Do OSM bych mozna radeji k rozcestniku doplnil tag 'note' momentalne
neni na miste, ceka se na opravu nebo neco podobneho at ho nekdo zatim
nesmaze.

C ty na to? Zhodneme se vyjimecne? :-D
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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM now supports OSM+Wikidata service

[Jo]

That is wonderful news! It will take a while before I get used to that
query language though.

Does it also work if an object has a semicolon separated list of wikidata
items in for example subject:wikidata? A statue with more than one person
in it, for example?

Polyglot

2017-09-18 7:28 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan :

> The "not yet fully named" service is now accessible directly from JOSM -
> just like OT.  Simply install or update Wikipedia plugin, and it will show
> up in the download data screen (expert mode).
>
> Documentation:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_
> SPARQL_query_service#Using_from_JOSM
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Re: [Talk-cz] Neplatný certifikát na osmap.cz

[Tom Ka]

openstreetmap.cz/osmap.cz je v poradku, o to se staram ja a hlidam to
;-) Neco je s api.openstreetmap.cz tj. PhotoDB. Snad walley vyresi.

Bye

Dne 18. září 2017 9:25 majka  napsal(a):
> Ahoj, tak nám zase včera vypršel certifikát na openstreetmap.cz
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[Talk-cz] Neplatný certifikát na osmap.cz

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Ahoj, tak nám zase včera vypršel certifikát na openstreetmap.cz
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Re: [Talk-cz] Tak ještě jeden dotaz k focení rozcestníků

[majka]

Tak tady se shodneme. Ta poznámka v datech tam leží už rok, pokud jsem jí
při poslední editaci nesmázla, a to nahlášení na KČT bude mít za dva dny
narozeniny :)

2017-09-18 9:14 GMT+02:00 Tom Ka :

> Ahoj, fotku bych odtagoval jako 'znaceni' - to je to co an ni vidim.
> Do OSM bych mozna radeji k rozcestniku doplnil tag 'note' momentalne
> neni na miste, ceka se na opravu nebo neco podobneho at ho nekdo zatim
> nesmaze.
>
> C ty na to? Zhodneme se vyjimecne? :-D
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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Stephan Knauss]

Hello Simon,

On 08.09.2017 20:02, Simon Poole wrote:

Further we've added a clarification to the FAQ wrt use of remixes in
domain names and that use of the OpenStreetMap mark soley for
attribution does not require a trademark notice.


Most of us are not that fluent with trademark law, nor I am.
Could you please give some hints why "osm" as part of domain names 
should conflict with our registered OpenStreetMap marks?


Like "fosm".

I tried to figure it out, but OSM does not seem to be a registered mark 
of the OpenStreetMap Foundation:

https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/owners/574987


There are two marks of OSM registered:
https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#advanced/trademarks/1/50/n1=MarkVerbalElementText=OSM=AND=IS=ApplicationNumber=asc

One in class 9, which does not seem to apply for out context and one 
registered for class 8 and 35 which could with some fantasy conflict.


Again: I fully understand why OpenThingMap or OpenStreetSomething is 
bad. Or why the domain I had a wile ago for training stuff, 
"openstreetmap.academy" is problematic.


But why is OSM as the abbreviation considered to be a problem?
If we would want to protect it, shouldn't we register a trademark for it?

We in this context is the OSMF.

Stephan

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Ahoj, fotku bych odtagoval jako 'znaceni' - to je to co an ni vidim.
Do OSM bych mozna radeji k rozcestniku doplnil tag 'note' momentalne
neni na miste, ceka se na opravu nebo neco podobneho at ho nekdo zatim
nesmaze.

C ty na to? Zhodneme se vyjimecne? :-D

Dne 15. září 2017 15:44 majka  napsal(a):
> Dnes jsem byla opět vyfotit pár blízkých rozcestníků, a po roce jsem
> zjistila, že jeden je stále ve stavu torza, i přes nahlášení na KČT.
> Nahlášeno téměř přesně po roce znovu, značkař už dostal bleskem po mailu
> vynadáno :)
>
> Tentokrát už jsem fotku ale nahrála do PhotoDB, jen jsem tam nedávala tagy.
> Může se někdo podívat na to, zda to označit jako fotku rozcestníku, včetně
> na místě samém neexistující reference? Nebo budeme čekat, jestli se KČT
> probere?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Wikipedia is not only about data directly related to the map, it is also 
about mathematics, music, astronomy, etc.  But these disciplines 
certainly have a relation to a map via places of birth, study, etc.

So what if to continue the traditions of:
MySQL
PostgresSQL
SparQL
Transact-SQL
etc.

Those who worked with a SQL Structured Query Language know what a 
powerful tool it is. The Wikipedia (Wikidata) describes the universe as 
we on Earth know it. So my suggestion:


UniverSQL
or a short final variant:
U-SQL

Univers is the French variant of the english word Universe (lat. Universum).
Best regards,
Oleksiy

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Re: [Talk-it] Strada interrotta e routing

[Francesco Pelullo]

Il 18 set 2017 07:34, "Fabrizio Carrai"  ha
scritto:

Dopo la tragica alluvione che ha colpito Livorno ho dovuto inserire un tag
barrier=jersey_barrier per l'interruzione della SP8 [1]. Come ricordato da
Daniele ho atteso diverse ore, ma il routing continua a farmi passare sulla
strada, il tag barrier sembra ignorato.
Avete delle indicazioni ?


Ciao

Quale servizio di routing?

In generale, si aggiornano abbastanza di rado, tipo una volta al mese o giù
di lì.

Se ti riferisci al routing di OsmAnd, ed hai l'abbonamento alle live maps,
devi abilitare il routing sui dati live (c'è un'opzione apposta).

Ciao
/niubii/
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