date:20180305

sent from a phone

> On 5. Mar 2018, at 19:36, Simone Saviolo  wrote:
> 
> Quanto alla privacy, c'è solo da scegliere se far sapere a Google o Apple :)

si. Google ti chiede il consenso di farsi dare i tuoi dati, mentre Apple dice 
di non  raccogliere dati personali :)

ho anche guardato come le aziende stesse lo descrivono:

google 
Di seguito sono indicate le tre principali tipologie di dati che raccogliamo:

Le tue attività

Quando utilizzi i nostri servizi, ad esempio quando esegui una ricerca su 
Google, cerchi indicazioni stradali su Google Maps o guardi un video su 
YouTube, raccogliamo dati in modo da poter far funzionare questi servizi. 
Queste informazioni possono includere:

Cose che hai cercato
Siti web che hai visitato
Video che hai guardato
Annunci su cui hai fatto clic o che hai aperto da dispositivi mobili
La tua posizione
Informazioni sul dispositivo
Dati relativi a cookie e indirizzo IP

Le tue creazioni

Se hai eseguito l'accesso con il tuo account Google, conserviamo e proteggiamo 
ciò che crei utilizzando i nostri servizi. Queste informazioni possono 
includere:

Email inviate e ricevute su Gmail
Contatti aggiunti
Eventi del calendario
Foto e video caricati
Documenti, Fogli e Presentazioni su Drive

Gli elementi che ti contraddistinguono

Quando crei un account Google, conserviamo le informazioni di base da te 
indicate. Tali informazioni possono includere:

Nome
Indirizzo email e password
Data di nascita
Sesso
Numero di telefono
Paese

https://privacy.google.com/intl/it_ALL/your-data.html

==

Apple
https://www.apple.com/lae/privacy/

Your personal data belongs to you, not others.
Whether you’re taking a photo or looking up an address, you can do it knowing 
that Apple doesn't gather your personal information to sell to advertisers or 
other organizations.

Your features improve while your data stays private.
When we use data to create better experiences for you, we work hard to do it in 
a way that doesn’t compromise your privacy. One example is our pioneering use 
of Differential Privacy, where we scramble your data and combine it with the 
data of millions of others. So we see general patterns, rather than specifics 
that could be traced back to you. These patterns help us identify things like 
the most popular emoji, the best QuickType suggestions, and energy consumption 
rates in Safari.

etc.

Si, probabilmente raccolgono entrambi dati, ma Google è un agenzia di 
pubblicità che ha creato Android per raccogliere dati degli utenti mobili, 
“regalono” Android e fanno soldi con l’analisi dei dati, mentre Apple è un 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM SPAM detector

2018-03-05 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 03/05/2018 07:03 PM, Jason Remillard wrote:
> getting a diverse set of changeset from many people will insure that the
> algorithm is not biased relative to where the consensus is in the
> project

Well strictly speaking it will ensure that the algorithm follows the
opinion of those who bother to report something which might still be
biased ;)

There's work afoot for the OSM web site to allow changesets to be
flagged as spam by any mapper. It isn't clear yet if/how the list of
flagged objects will be publicly accessible but of course it could also
serve as food for the filter.

Bye
Frederik--
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-dev] iD news - v2.7.0, new imagery, upgraded turn restriction editor

2018-03-05 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar

-- Forwarded message --
From: Bryan Housel 
Date: Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 4:52 AM
Subject: [OSM-dev] iD news - v2.7.0, new imagery, upgraded turn restriction
editor
To: osm-dev 

Hey everyone, I just released iD v2.7.0 and it’s now available for editing
on openstreetmap.org

* Release Highlights*
*•  We've added support for more background imagery from WMS servers. *
Thanks Martin Raifer and Guillaume Rischard for your work on this..

*Press B to open the Background pane and see if new imagery is available in
your area.*
*• ↪️ The turn restriction editor just got a big update!*
• Include nearby connected roads (with configurable distance)
• Hover over a from way to see which paths are restricted or allowed
• Add restrictions that span one or more via ways (e.g. divided highway
u-turns)
• Add `only_` turn restrictions (e.g. only straight on)
• View popup help for more information about working with turn restrictions
*Try selecting a junction node in a complex intersection, editing turn
restrictions, and viewing the popup help.*

And as always, many more presets, bugfixes, and performance improvements.

*Developers, we need your help!*
We’re starting to add Flow annotations to iD’s source code.  Flow is a
type-checking system to help catch common errors in JavaScript code (an
untyped language).  If you’re interested in learning about the iD internals
or want to learn Flow, please help out!  This is a great task for anyone,
from beginners to experts.  Check out this GitHub issue for more info:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3744#issuecomment-370300570

*Changelog:*
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#270

*Twitter:*
v2.7.0, turn restrictions:   https://twitter.com/bhousel/
status/970668042966523904
Request for help, Flow annotations:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/
status/970505437526286336

*Reddit:*
https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/829591/
id_editor_v270_released_and_available_on/

Follow and star the iD project on GitHub to show your support:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD
And follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel for the latest iD
news.

Thank you!
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Re: [Talk-es] Importaciones Catastro (Creación de proyectos)

2018-03-05 Per discussione Javier Sánchez Portero

Hola

Una buena forma de entender mejor como funciona el tema es hacer primero
una o dos tareas de alguno de los proyectos que ya están en funcionamiento:
los municipios de Colmenar en Málaga y Candelaria en Tenerife.

No te preocupes, lo estás haciendo bien. Sigue las instrucciones
visualizando las capturas de pantalla y fíjate en las partes de la imagen
resaltadas en amarillo. Después de importar el archivo zoning.geojson,
crear el proyecto, rellenar los campos describiéndolo, haz clic en *Guardar
las modificaciones*. Creo que no has guardado las modificaciones por que si
no yo podría ver el proyecto creado y no lo veo. Después de guardar las
modificaciones, editas el proyecto y rellenas las instrucciones
adicionales. Fíjate en la tabla de las instrucciones. Este es el texto que
tienes que poner en el apartado instrucciones adicionales (sin modificar
nada):

"""
Descarga el [archivo de la tarea](
https://github.com/OSM-es/catastro-import/raw/master/{zipcode}/{label}.osm.gz)
o [Editar con Control Remoto de JOSM](
http://localhost:8111/import?new_layer=true=https://github.com/OSM-es/catastro-import/raw/master/{zipcode}/{label}.osm.gz
).

Revisa la tarea siguiendo las instrucciones de la [guía de importación](
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Catastro_espa%C3%B1ol/Importaci%C3%B3n_de_edificios/Gu%C3%ADa_de_importaci%C3%B3n).
Descarga este archivo ([address.geojson](
https://github.com/OSM-es/catastro-import/raw/master/{zipcode}/address.geojson))
para acceder a las fotos de fachada de los edificios.
"""
Este es el texto que aparece cuando alguien selecciona una tarea y comienza
a editar. El texto contiene enlaces codificados en formato Markdown, es lo
que está entre corchetes y entre paréntesis. El texto entre corchetes
aparecerá resaltado como un enlace y al hacer clic se abre la url que está
entre paréntesis. El enlace "archivo de la tarea" apuntará a tus tareas en
el repositorio de GitHub. Al hacer clic en el podrás descargar el archivo
correspondiente. Los parámetros que aparecen entre corchetes dentro de las
url se sustituyen por los valores que tiene definida cada tarea en el
archivo zoning.geojson. Este archivo define la forma que representa a cada
tarea y los parámetros para formar los enlaces. El otro enlace que dice
"Editar con Control Remoto de JOSM" te permite abrir el archivo de la tarea
directamente en JOSM (siempre y cuando esté activado el Control Remoto en
las preferencias).

Después de rellenar esto haz clic de nuevo en "Guardar las modificaciones"
y avisa para echarle un vistazo al proyecto. Tu también podrás entrar y ver
como funciona. Cuando todo esté listo vuelve a editar y cambias el estado a
Publicado.

Buenas noches.

El 5 de marzo de 2018, 19:57, Joaquim  escribió:

> Hola,
>
> Creo que me he perdido algo. He intentado crear un proyecto inicial con
> dos municipios de Menorca. Creo que está completo según las instrucciones.
> Lo pruebo y no funciona, lo que no me extraña ya que en ningún momento le
> he dicho donde debe encontrar la información de los edificios. En el paso 2
> de la creación de un proyecto da la opción de si quiero importar o dibujar
> una zona, las instrucciones me dicen que elija importar y yo he importado
> un archivo zoning.geojson que está en mi ordenador y que contiene la suma
> de los dos municipios. La información que veo en el JOSM es la que ya
> existe en el OSM.
>
> ¿Donde me he equivocado? ¿Como conecto los datos que he subido a github?
>
> Siento ser pesado pero siempre he usado el gestor de tareas como usuario,
> no como creador.
>
> Saludos
>
> Joaquim
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev]Nominatim Installation Issues on Ubuntu 17.10(GSOC)

2018-03-05 Per discussione Rahul Soshte

Ok,somehow I have been successful to setup the development environment.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:19 AM, Rahul Soshte 
wrote:

> The reason I wanna set up Nominatim because I am gonna choose one of the
> ideas listed here
> 
> in the Nominatim sub-section for GSOC.
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:11 AM, Rahul Soshte 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> This is Rahul Soshte,a 3rd Year Computer Engineering Student from Mumbai
>> University(India).I am trying to setup the development environment of
>> Nominatim on my Ubuntu 17.10 and I am facing some issues.I am willing to
>> contribute to the organization through GSOC(whose completion may not deter
>> my conributions to the org) by contributing to Nominatim.So to get started
>> I want to setup the development environment for Nominatim but I am facing
>> some issues like the ones seen in the screenshots attached.What do I do?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] iD news - v2.7.0, new imagery, upgraded turn restriction editor

2018-03-05 Per discussione Mike N


On 3/5/2018 3:52 PM, Bryan Housel wrote:

*•  We've added support for more background imagery from WMS servers. *
Thanks Martin Raifer and Guillaume Rischard for your work on this..
/Press B to open the Background pane and see if new imagery is available 
in your area./


  Fantastic!   Is there a syntax to specify custom WMS imagery?

  Thanks,

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[OSM-talk] iD news - v2.7.0, new imagery, upgraded turn restriction editor

2018-03-05 Per discussione Bryan Housel

Hey everyone, I just released iD v2.7.0 and it’s now available for editing on
openstreetmap.org

 Release Highlights

•  We've added support for more background imagery from WMS servers.
Thanks Martin Raifer and Guillaume Rischard for your work on this..
Press B to open the Background pane and see if new imagery is available in your
area.

• ↪️ The turn restriction editor just got a big update!
• Include nearby connected roads (with configurable distance)
• Hover over a from way to see which paths are restricted or allowed
• Add restrictions that span one or more via ways (e.g. divided highway
u-turns)
• Add `only_` turn restrictions (e.g. only straight on)
• View popup help for more information about working with turn
restrictions
Try selecting a junction node in a complex intersection, editing turn
restrictions, and viewing the popup help.

And as always, many more presets, bugfixes, and performance improvements.

Developers, we need your help!
We’re starting to add Flow annotations to iD’s source code. Flow is a
type-checking system to help catch common errors in JavaScript code (an untyped
language). If you’re interested in learning about the iD internals or want to
learn Flow, please help out! This is a great task for anyone, from beginners
to experts. Check out this GitHub issue for more info:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3744#issuecomment-370300570

Changelog:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#270

Twitter:
v2.7.0, turn restrictions:
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/970668042966523904

Request for help, Flow annotations:
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/970505437526286336

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/829591/id_editor_v270_released_and_available_on/

Follow and star the iD project on GitHub to show your support:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD
And follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel
for the latest iD news.

Thank you!
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM SPAM detector

2018-03-05 Per discussione Pierre Béland

It would help to add a comment column to motivate flagging changeset/object 
content has a spam (SEO marketing description/infos, etc.).
 
Pierre 
 

Le lundi 5 mars 2018 13:05:41 HNE, Jason Remillard 
 a écrit :  
 
 Hi Dave,
The detector needs to be "trained" on what a spam changeset looks like versus 
what a normal changeset looks like. Training really means programming the 
detector by example. 
Once we have a good set of example changesets, going forward, it will find them 
on its own. 
Rather than having me or Fredrick decide what is SPAM is or not, getting a 
diverse set of changeset from many people will insure that the algorithm is not 
biased relative to where the consensus is in the project. That is why I posed 
this to talk not dev. People that map are needed for this task.
Finally, this is just a software component. It will still need to be integrated 
into final end user tools. By doing the specialized machine learning code 
first, I am hoping to get some collaborators that are interested in integrating 
this into tools that everybody can use. But without the curated changeset list, 
it is going nowhere. Long term, hopefully it will get integrated into several 
tools... 
Jason
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Dave F  wrote:

  Struggling to understand this
 If users are expected to send you changeset ids, how does it "detect spam"?
 In what way are users informed of spammy changesets?
 
 DaveF
 
 On 05/03/2018 14:06, Jason Remillard wrote:
  
  Hi, 
 
  This weekend I put together a SPAM detector for OSM changesets. 
 
 https://github.com/jremillard/ osm-changeset-classification
 
  You don't need to be a developer to contribute, send over any SPAM'y 
changesets you come across via a github issue, a pull request, or even an email 
to me. I just need the changeset id. 
 
  The code is currently hitting 99+% accuracy detecting the difference between 
1500 random normal edits and 1500 sketchy changesets that Fredrick shared with 
the talk-us last last week. This is with zero tuning, so it looks like it will 
work well.
 
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Re: [Talk-es] Importaciones Catastro (Creación de proyectos)

2018-03-05 Per discussione Joaquim


Hola,

Creo que me he perdido algo. He intentado crear un proyecto inicial con 
dos municipios de Menorca. Creo que está completo según las 
instrucciones. Lo pruebo y no funciona, lo que no me extraña ya que en 
ningún momento le he dicho donde debe encontrar la información de los 
edificios. En el paso 2 de la creación de un proyecto da la opción de si 
quiero importar o dibujar una zona, las instrucciones me dicen que elija 
importar y yo he importado un archivo zoning.geojson que está en mi 
ordenador y que contiene la suma de los dos municipios. La información 
que veo en el JOSM es la que ya existe en el OSM.


¿Donde me he equivocado? ¿Como conecto los datos que he subido a github?

Siento ser pesado pero siempre he usado el gestor de tareas como 
usuario, no como creador.


Saludos

Joaquim


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[OSRM-talk] Pre-procesing planet.pbf with 128Gb RAM

2018-03-05 Per discussione Jose Florido

Hi!

Is it possible to pre-process the planet file with OSRM 5.16.2 and
only 128Gb ram? We do have a large SSD disk and pre processing doesn’t
need to be super fast.

Thanks!
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Re: [Talk-cz] OSM pivo v Praze

2018-03-05 Per discussione Mikoláš Štrajt

Zamluveno na 18h na jméno "Mikoláš".

Pro seznam účastníků
viz https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5
mG94avTmFb4/edit?usp=sharing

--
Severák

-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Pavel Zbytovský 
Komu: Mikoláš Štrajt 
Datum: 5. 3. 2018 9:24:14
Předmět: OSM pivo v Praze
"
čau,



řekl bych že zamluv! 

Dík :)




P.





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"
Mám v Praze zamluvit hospodu?

Pokud nemá někdo něco lepšího, tak bych zamluvil tu restauraci Oáza na
Smíchovském nádraží.



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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev]Nominatim Installation Issues on Ubuntu 17.10(GSOC)

2018-03-05 Per discussione Rahul Soshte

The reason I wanna set up Nominatim because I am gonna choose one of the
ideas listed here

in the Nominatim sub-section for GSOC.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:11 AM, Rahul Soshte 
wrote:

> Hi,
> This is Rahul Soshte,a 3rd Year Computer Engineering Student from Mumbai
> University(India).I am trying to setup the development environment of
> Nominatim on my Ubuntu 17.10 and I am facing some issues.I am willing to
> contribute to the organization through GSOC(whose completion may not deter
> my conributions to the org) by contributing to Nominatim.So to get started
> I want to setup the development environment for Nominatim but I am facing
> some issues like the ones seen in the screenshots attached.What do I do?
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK meeting in May

2018-03-05 Per discussione Rob Nickerson

Hi Dan,

It will be a joint event with Open Data Manchester. Just working up the
programme before we publish. Open to non osmuk members.

Best,
Rob

On 5 Mar 2018 4:26 p.m., "Dan S"  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've pencilled this in. Was going to mention it to a Manchester friend
> - not listed on the OSMUK website though. Is it a closed meeting? Or
> is there any public info?
>
> Thanks
> Dan
>
>
> 2018-02-15 23:58 GMT+00:00 Rob Nickerson :
> > Hi all,
> >
> > One for the calendar: The next OSM UK meeting (and our 2018 AGM) will be
> > Saturday 19th May in Manchester. Formal invitation to the AGM will go
> out to
> > the members closer to the time.
> >
> > If you would like to attend (member or non-member) then please add this
> to
> > your calendar to keep it free. :-)
> >
> > Hoping to have some exciting workshops at this event. If you'd like to
> > volunteer to host one please add the details to the following form. If
> you
> > want to request one please share ideas in this mailing list.
> >
> > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1fGJ_9sneOFp3jbcpo3h0-
> kO9Vqa-CMT9IBorM7szqMA/viewform?edit_requested=true
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Simone Saviolo

Il giorno 5 marzo 2018 19:07, Martin Koppenhoefer 
ha scritto:

> 2018-03-05 17:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo :
>
>> Il giorno 5 marzo 2018 17:02, riccardopastoc...@alice.it <
>> riccardopastoc...@alice.it> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Ps ho un i phone e kaypad-mapper non me lo da tra le scelte dell'App
>>> store
>>>
>> Troverai pochissima roba proveniente dal mondo open source su iPhone. È
>> la conseguenza di un modello che ti fa pagare 99 dollari all'anno per
>> tenere su la tua app.
>>
>
> per completezza: c'era una volta un keypad mapper per iPhone, ma non
> funziona più con le versioni del iOS recenti, e non è più scaricabile.
> Il discorso iPhone vs. Android è molto ampio (troppo per una ML), ma ci
> vedo anche vantaggi nel sistema walled garden di Apple. Di malware non ti
> devi quasi preoccupare, e non condividi qualsiasi cosa che fai anche con
> l'archivio perenne di Google ;-) (ho un device android, e qualsiasi
> componente, compresa la tastiera standard, cerca di otimizzare la mia
> esperienza trasmittendo tutto a Google. Puoi disattivare tante cose, ma se
> disattivi tutto diventa pratticamente inutilizzabile).
>

Non parlavo in generale: intendo dire che il modello di Apple non è
chiaramente OSS-friendly. Quanto alla privacy, c'è solo da scegliere se far
sapere a Google o Apple :)

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Cascafico Giovanni

in effetti con OSMAnd tieni premuto il punto sulla mappa ed "aggiungi
nota". E' semplicissomo, se non devi mappare civici a tappeto e ti permette
di farlo sulla mappa, ovviando alle imprecisioni del GPS. Poi scegli di
tenere le note per te (se ci scrivi solo il numero per esempio) oppure di
caricare le note su OSM se hanno significato anche per altri (p.es. "qui
c'è il civico  34/e")

Il giorno 5 marzo 2018 18:56, Alessandro Palmas <
alessandro.pal...@wikimedia.it> ha scritto:

> Il 05/03/2018 18:50, Max1234Ita ha scritto:
>
> Ciao,
> purtroppo, se vuoi mappare numeri civici mentre cammini per strada... siam
> messi male.
> 
>
> - Il plugin di OsmAnd... Lasciamo perdere. Ho provato ad usarlo: 3 minuti
> per aggiungere una fermata d'autobus; non oso pensare se dovessi farmi
> un'intera strada con 100 e più civici.
> In più, devi conoscere a memoria i tag perché non è che ti aiuti più di
> tanto, e devi aggiungerli uno ad uno.
>
>
>
> Scusa ma se deve solo mappare i civici i campi per il nome della via e del
> civico sono già presenti
> http://blog.3rik.cc/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/
> 02/05-osmand2-createpoiu-169x300.png
>
> Se poi ci mettesse tanto a caricarli può sempre mettere il segno di spunta
> all'opzione "caricali più tardi", una volta arrivato alal base clicca su
> upload e non deve fare altro.
> Più facile di così.
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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 17:42 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo :

> Il giorno 5 marzo 2018 17:02, riccardopastoc...@alice.it <
> riccardopastoc...@alice.it> ha scritto:
>
>> Ps ho un i phone e kaypad-mapper non me lo da tra le scelte dell'App store
>>
>
> Troverai pochissima roba proveniente dal mondo open source su iPhone. È la
> conseguenza di un modello che ti fa pagare 99 dollari all'anno per tenere
> su la tua app.
>


per completezza: c'era una volta un keypad mapper per iPhone, ma non
funziona più con le versioni del iOS recenti, e non è più scaricabile.
Il discorso iPhone vs. Android è molto ampio (troppo per una ML), ma ci
vedo anche vantaggi nel sistema walled garden di Apple. Di malware non ti
devi quasi preoccupare, e non condividi qualsiasi cosa che fai anche con
l'archivio perenne di Google ;-) (ho un device android, e qualsiasi
componente, compresa la tastiera standard, cerca di otimizzare la mia
esperienza trasmittendo tutto a Google. Puoi disattivare tante cose, ma se
disattivi tutto diventa pratticamente inutilizzabile).

Ciao,
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM SPAM detector

2018-03-05 Per discussione Jason Remillard

Hi Dave,

The detector needs to be "trained" on what a spam changeset looks like
versus what a normal changeset looks like. Training really means
programming the detector by example.

Once we have a good set of example changesets, going forward, it will find
them on its own.

Rather than having me or Fredrick decide what is SPAM is or not, getting a
diverse set of changeset from many people will insure that the algorithm is
not biased relative to where the consensus is in the project. That is why I
posed this to talk not dev. People that map are needed for this task.

Finally, this is just a software component. It will still need to be
integrated into final end user tools. By doing the specialized machine
learning code first, I am hoping to get some collaborators that are
interested in integrating this into tools that everybody can use. But
without the curated changeset list, it is going nowhere. Long term,
hopefully it will get integrated into several tools...

Jason

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Dave F  wrote:

> Struggling to understand this
> If users are expected to send you changeset ids, how does it "detect spam"?
> In what way are users informed of spammy changesets?
>
> DaveF
>
>
> On 05/03/2018 14:06, Jason Remillard wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This weekend I put together a SPAM detector for OSM changesets.
>
> https://github.com/jremillard/osm-changeset-classification
>
> You don't need to be a developer to contribute, send over any SPAM'y
> changesets you come across via a github issue, a pull request, or even an
> email to me. I just need the changeset id.
>
> The code is currently hitting 99+% accuracy detecting the difference
> between 1500 random normal edits and 1500 sketchy changesets that Fredrick
> shared with the talk-us last last week. This is with zero tuning, so it
> looks like it will work well.
>
> Jason
>
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[Talk-it-lazio] resoconto dell'incontro 26/2 e nuovo luogo

Grazie a Flaminia abbiamo un resoconto dell'ultimo appuntamento tra
mappatori ed interessati.

Il testo si trova qui:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rome/Incontro/26Febbraio2018

Come vedrete, ho anche aggiunto una foto del luogo, il quale ci ha
piacciuto, e che potremmo, così si spera al meno, usare anche per i
prossimi appuntamenti. Il posto ha tavoli, wireless e multiprese a
disposizione, quindi potremmo anche ipotizzare di fare incontri più
"lavorativi" (mapping party) in futuro.

A presto,
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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Alessandro Palmas


  
  
Il 05/03/2018 18:50, Max1234Ita ha
  scritto:


  Ciao,
purtroppo, se vuoi mappare numeri civici mentre cammini per strada... siam
messi male.


- Il plugin di OsmAnd... Lasciamo perdere. Ho provato ad usarlo: 3 minuti
per aggiungere una fermata d'autobus; non oso pensare se dovessi farmi
un'intera strada con 100 e più civici. 
In più, devi conoscere a memoria i tag perché non è che ti aiuti più di
tanto, e devi aggiungerli uno ad uno.




Scusa ma se deve solo mappare i civici i campi per il nome della via
e del civico sono già presenti
http://blog.3rik.cc/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/02/05-osmand2-createpoiu-169x300.png

Se poi ci mettesse tanto a caricarli può sempre mettere il segno di
spunta all'opzione "caricali più tardi", una volta arrivato alal
base clicca su upload e non deve fare altro.
Più facile di così.
  


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BDOrtho IGN par défaut dans iD!

2018-03-05 Per discussione Stéphane Péneau


Excellente nouvelle !


Le 05/03/2018 à 18:10, Guillaume Rischard a écrit :

Hello,

Vous avez peut-être remarqué? Les photos ont été mises à jour aujourd’hui dans 
iD en France: sauf si votre région a des photos encore meilleures, c’est 
maintenant les excellentes orthophotos de l’IGN qui sont affichées par défaut. 
Les autres couches restent disponibles dans le menu des images de fond à droite 
de l’écran.

Pour JOSM, rien ne change, les images de l’IGN restent disponibles comme avant 
dans le menu Images.

Merci à tous ceux qui ont aidé à intégrer cette couche dans l’index des images 
de fond.

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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Max1234Ita

Ciao,
purtroppo, se vuoi mappare numeri civici mentre cammini per strada... siam
messi male.

- Keypad Mapper 3, come detto sopra, sfrutta la posizione del tuo GPS: se ti
trovi in spazio aperto (sobborgo con edifici bassi) forse ancora ce la fai,
ma se sei in centro città, i risultati sono un tale 
garbuglio che non riesci più a capire se il punto stava sulla destra o sulla
sinistra della strada...

- Vespucci è molto potente, ma proprio non mi ci trovo... Per questa "task"
servirebbe veramente un'app che permetta di toccare la mappa ed aggiungere
*il numero* senza immettere altri tag  o parametri... stop. Eventualmente un
commento, ma nulla più.

- Il plugin di OsmAnd... Lasciamo perdere. Ho provato ad usarlo: 3 minuti
per aggiungere una fermata d'autobus; non oso pensare se dovessi farmi
un'intera strada con 100 e più civici. 
In più, devi conoscere a memoria i tag perché non è che ti aiuti più di
tanto, e devi aggiungerli uno ad uno.

- La migliore app che ho provato su Android *era* OsmPad. Con quella mi
trovavo a mio agio e faceva veramente ciò che serviva. In pratica, tornato a
casa, era sufficiente importare in JOSM il tracciato e rivedere/allineare
per bene i punti: in pochi minuti erano pronti per l'upload (e parlo di
"strisciate" che comprendevano 3-4 strade per volta).
Purtroppo non credo sia più supportata, ora, e forse non è più nemmeno nello
Store di Google. 
Per qualche tempo ho provato a tenermi l'apk, ripristinandolo da un vecchio
backup che avevo sul precedente cell... ma poi sul mio S5, aggiornato a
Android 6.0.1, ha iniziato a crashare ogni 2 minuti e non c'è stato più
verso di farla funzionare. 
Peccato. Andava proprio bene.

Non so se ci siano altre app del genere. Certo se ci fosse qualche
programmatore di buon cuore, apace ed appassionato di mapping...


Max




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Re: [OSM-talk] Donation from the Pineapple Fund

2018-03-05 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 03/05/2018 04:15 AM, Daniel Koć wrote:
> I wonder how OSMF plans to use it?

We're leaning towards a cautious approach, i.e. not "spend it all for
something cool" but use the money spread across several years. It is
also clear that it would be unwise to use a one-time donation for
anything in our ordinary budget lest we'd have to find a similar donor
regularly!

At the last face-to-face meeting of the OSMF board we discussed plans to
run a "microgrant" scheme which could pay for things like (but not
limited to) coding projects in the OSM ecosystem. It is possible that we
will use part of the Pineapple Fund money to start something like this.
Details, however, still need to be worked out and no final decisions
have been made.

We have exchanged 15 of the 18 BTC that we received and got £146k from
it. This was thanks to Grant Slater who picked a very good time to make
these exchanges. The remaining 3 BTC are still in our account but we
will sell them as soon as we have a good opportunity.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM SPAM detector

2018-03-05 Per discussione Dave F


Struggling to understand this
If users are expected to send you changeset ids, how does it "detect spam"?
In what way are users informed of spammy changesets?

DaveF

On 05/03/2018 14:06, Jason Remillard wrote:

Hi,

This weekend I put together a SPAM detector for OSM changesets.

https://github.com/jremillard/osm-changeset-classification

You don't need to be a developer to contribute, send over any SPAM'y 
changesets you come across via a github issue, a pull request, or even 
an email to me. I just need the changeset id.


The code is currently hitting 99+% accuracy detecting the difference 
between 1500 random normal edits and 1500 sketchy changesets that 
Fredrick shared with the talk-us last last week. This is with zero 
tuning, so it looks like it will work well.


Jason


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[OSM-talk-fr] BDOrtho IGN par défaut dans iD!

2018-03-05 Per discussione Guillaume Rischard

Hello,

Vous avez peut-être remarqué? Les photos ont été mises à jour aujourd’hui dans 
iD en France: sauf si votre région a des photos encore meilleures, c’est 
maintenant les excellentes orthophotos de l’IGN qui sont affichées par défaut. 
Les autres couches restent disponibles dans le menu des images de fond à droite 
de l’écran.

Pour JOSM, rien ne change, les images de l’IGN restent disponibles comme avant 
dans le menu Images.

Merci à tous ceux qui ont aidé à intégrer cette couche dans l’index des images 
de fond.

Guillaume
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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 17:02 GMT+01:00 riccardopastoc...@alice.it <
riccardopastoc...@alice.it>:

> Ps ho un i phone e kaypad-mapper non me lo da tra le scelte dell'App store
>



con iPhone la app più potente per mappare è GoMap!!
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map!!


Ti consente di mappare qualsiasi cosa (le relazioni non sono be supportate,
ma il resto sì).
Puoi anche creare i tuoi preset.

Ciao,
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[OSM-talk-fr] OpenData 27 et 76

2018-03-05 Per discussione David Crochet


Bonjour

Y'a moyen de faire passer ces données dans différentes moulinettes ?

http://www.opendata-27-76.fr/thematiques/se-deplacer/

Cordialement

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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Simone Saviolo

Il giorno 5 marzo 2018 17:02, riccardopastoc...@alice.it <
riccardopastoc...@alice.it> ha scritto:

> Ps ho un i phone e kaypad-mapper non me lo da tra le scelte dell'App store
>

Troverai pochissima roba proveniente dal mondo open source su iPhone. È la
conseguenza di un modello che ti fa pagare 99 dollari all'anno per tenere
su la tua app.

Ciao,

Simone
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK meeting in May

2018-03-05 Per discussione Dan S

Hi

I've pencilled this in. Was going to mention it to a Manchester friend
- not listed on the OSMUK website though. Is it a closed meeting? Or
is there any public info?

Thanks
Dan


2018-02-15 23:58 GMT+00:00 Rob Nickerson :
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>
> One for the calendar: The next OSM UK meeting (and our 2018 AGM) will be
> Saturday 19th May in Manchester. Formal invitation to the AGM will go out to
> the members closer to the time.
>
> If you would like to attend (member or non-member) then please add this to
> your calendar to keep it free. :-)
>
> Hoping to have some exciting workshops at this event. If you'd like to
> volunteer to host one please add the details to the following form. If you
> want to request one please share ideas in this mailing list.
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1fGJ_9sneOFp3jbcpo3h0-kO9Vqa-CMT9IBorM7szqMA/viewform?edit_requested=true
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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Alessandro Palmas


Il 05/03/2018 17:02, riccardopastoc...@alice.it ha scritto:


Non c'è la possibilità di aggiungere un numero civico (On Line) senza 
poi passare i dati su josm?


Esempio tipo, parto con l'ambulanza arrivo ad un civico e magari mi 
accordo che quel numero non l'ho ancora mappato.


Tiro fuori il cell e metto il civico. E' possibile farlo, in maniera da 
non rimetterci le mani?


Grazie



In OsmAnd, sicuramente nella versione a pagamento (non sò se anche in 
quella free) c'è il componente aggiuntivo "Modifiche OSM" che ti 
permette di aggiungere punti e (dalle impostazioni del componente 
aggiuntivo) decidere se caricarle subito o in un secondo tempo ma senza 
passare da altri strumenti.


Per aggiungere un civico devi 'tappare' (temere pigiato) sul punto in 
cui vuoi inserirlo; quando ti appare il simbolo del POI e il menù sotto 
scegli 'azioni' e 'Crea POI'; in 'nome' e 'tipo di PDI' non inserisci 
nulla (a meno chè non sia un negozio o altro) e compili 'Nome strada' e 
'Numero civico'. Quando clicchi 'carica' se non hai deciso di caricarli 
in un secondo tempo ti fa immediatamente l'upload (ho provato ora 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5457208183 )


Qui trovi la guida http://osmand.net/features?id=osm-editing-plugin



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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Alessandro Sarretta

Io ti consiglio Vespucci, che sicuramente puoi usare per fare quello che 
chiedi (e molto di più! :-)).

http://vespucci.io/

m2c

Ale

On 05/03/2018 17:02, riccardopastoc...@alice.it wrote:

Non c'è la possibilità di aggiungere un numero civico (On Line) senza 
poi passare i dati su josm?

Esempio tipo, parto con l'ambulanza arrivo ad un civico e magari mi 
accordo che quel numero non l'ho ancora mappato.

Tiro fuori il cell e metto il civico. E' possibile farlo, in maniera 
da non rimetterci le mani?

Grazie

Ps ho un i phone e kaypad-mapper non me lo da tra le scelte dell'App store

Grazie

Messaggio originale
Da: alessandro.pal...@wikimedia.it
Data: 5-mar-2018 16.39
A: 
Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] mappare con cellulare

Il 05/03/2018 16:32, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:
> Ciao.
> Questo [1] è specifico per i numeri civici. da quel che ricordo,
> dovrebbe proporti anche il (probabile) nome della strada.
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Keypad-Mapper_3

Ha però l'enorme problema che si basa sulla posizione indicata dal
tuo gps.
Tanto vale ti stampi dei fieldpapers (1) e prendi le note con
carta e penna.

Alessandro

P.S.: Riccardo ti ho inviato mail poco fa

1) http://www.fieldpapers.org/

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[Talk-it] R: Re: mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione riccardopastoc...@alice.it


Non c'è la possibilità di aggiungere un numero civico (On Line) senza poi 
passare i dati su josm?
Esempio tipo, parto con l'ambulanza arrivo ad un civico e magari mi accordo che 
quel numero non l'ho ancora mappato.
Tiro fuori il cell e metto il civico. E' possibile farlo, in maniera da non 
rimetterci le mani?
Grazie

Ps ho un i phone e kaypad-mapper non me lo da tra le scelte dell'App store
Grazie


  Messaggio originale
 
Da: alessandro.pal...@wikimedia.it
 
Data: 5-mar-2018 16.39
 
A: 
 
Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] mappare con cellulare
 

 
Il 05/03/2018 16:32, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:
 
> Ciao.
 
> Questo [1] è specifico per i numeri civici. da quel che ricordo, 
 
> dovrebbe proporti anche il (probabile) nome della strada.
 
> 
 
> [1] 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Keypad-Mapper_3
 

 
Ha però l'enorme problema che si basa sulla posizione indicata dal tuo gps.
 
Tanto vale ti stampi dei fieldpapers (1) e prendi le note con carta e penna.
 

 
Alessandro
 

 
P.S.: Riccardo ti ho inviato mail poco fa
 

 

 
1) 
 http://www.fieldpapers.org/
 

 
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Re: [Talk-de] Tagging von kombinierten Wohn- und Geschäftshäusern

2018-03-05 Per discussione websites


Hallo zusammen!

Eigentlich ist es doch im Wiki recht eindeutig beschrieben:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building

Dort steht bei building=apartments: "A building arranged into individual 
dwellings, often on separate floors. May also have retail outlets on the 
ground floor."


Zu den anderen Tags:

Nach meinem Verständnis ist building=residential zu vermeiden, wenn man 
genauere Informationen hat ("Where additional detail is available 
consider using 'apartments', 'terrace', 'house' or 'detached'.")


Eine Doppelhaushälfte ist ein building=house, ein Einfamilienhaus ein 
building=detached, ein einzelnes Reihenhaus ist ebenfalls ein 
building=house und eine Reihe von Reihenhäusern (also ohne Unterteilung 
in einzelne Häuser) ist building=terrace ("A single way used to define 
the outline of a linear row of residential dwellings"). Letzteres habe 
ich aber auch erst nach dem Hinweis eines anderen Mappers verstanden :-)


Insofern ist nach meinem Empfinden die Tagginglage relativ klar.

highflyer74

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Re: [Talk-it] mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Alessandro Palmas


Il 05/03/2018 16:32, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:

Ciao.
Questo [1] è specifico per i numeri civici. da quel che ricordo, 
dovrebbe proporti anche il (probabile) nome della strada.


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Keypad-Mapper_3


Ha però l'enorme problema che si basa sulla posizione indicata dal tuo gps.
Tanto vale ti stampi dei fieldpapers (1) e prendi le note con carta e penna.

Alessandro

P.S.: Riccardo ti ho inviato mail poco fa


1) http://www.fieldpapers.org/

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Re: [Talk-it] mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Simone Saviolo

Il giorno 5 marzo 2018 16:24, riccardopastoc...@alice.it <
riccardopastoc...@alice.it> ha scritto:

> Come faccio con il cellulare a mappare, in particolar modo ad aggiungere
> numeri civici?
>
> E' possibile?
>

Ciao Riccardo! Ci sono varie app, che si concentrano su aspetti diversi.

Per i civici, ti consiglio KeyPad Mapper: registra la traccia GPX, e ti
permette di aggiungere note generiche o numeri civici (il focus è proprio
sui civici). Esporta un file .osm che poi carichi in JOSM.

Un'altra app interessante è StreetComplete, che propone delle "missioni"
per verificare sul posto e/o aggiungere i dati.

Ciao,

Simone
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Re: [Talk-it] mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione Cascafico Giovanni

Ciao.
Questo [1] è specifico per i numeri civici. da quel che ricordo, dovrebbe
proporti anche il (probabile) nome della strada.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Keypad-Mapper_3

Il giorno 5 marzo 2018 16:24, riccardopastoc...@alice.it <
riccardopastoc...@alice.it> ha scritto:

> Come faccio con il cellulare a mappare, in particolar modo ad aggiungere
> numeri civici?
>
> E' possibile?
>
> Mi sono scaricato queste App
> OsmAndMaps
> Open Maps
> Maps.me
>
> mi possono essere utili per aggiungere o moficare
>
> Grazie
> Riccardo
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[Talk-it] mappare con cellulare

2018-03-05 Per discussione riccardopastoc...@alice.it

Come faccio con il cellulare a mappare, in particolar modo ad aggiungere numeri 
civici?
E' possibile?

Mi sono scaricato queste App OsmAndMapsOpen MapsMaps.me
mi possono essere utili per aggiungere o moficare
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM SPAM detector

2018-03-05 Per discussione James

most but not all cases: undiscussed imports get reverted and when they get
the go ahead they would be marked as spam. Very bad way to train the
dataset vs ground truthed spam identification.

On Mar 5, 2018 9:50 AM, "Michał Brzozowski"  wrote:

Could we use something similar to detect generic vandalism by training on
reverted changesets? Many of them have "this changeset was reverted fully
or in part..." comments. Also, analyzing object history or detecting
created_by=reverter;JOSM * would give you more examples to train on.

* Unfortunately this persists for the whole JOSM session, so there will be
some false positives.

Michał

5 mar 2018 15:09 "Jason Remillard"  napisał(a):

> Hi,
>
> This weekend I put together a SPAM detector for OSM changesets.
>
> https://github.com/jremillard/osm-changeset-classification
>
> You don't need to be a developer to contribute, send over any SPAM'y
> changesets you come across via a github issue, a pull request, or even an
> email to me. I just need the changeset id.
>
> The code is currently hitting 99+% accuracy detecting the difference
> between 1500 random normal edits and 1500 sketchy changesets that Fredrick
> shared with the talk-us last last week. This is with zero tuning, so it
> looks like it will work well.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM SPAM detector

2018-03-05 Per discussione Michał Brzozowski

Could we use something similar to detect generic vandalism by training on
reverted changesets? Many of them have "this changeset was reverted fully
or in part..." comments. Also, analyzing object history or detecting
created_by=reverter;JOSM * would give you more examples to train on.

* Unfortunately this persists for the whole JOSM session, so there will be
some false positives.

Michał

5 mar 2018 15:09 "Jason Remillard"  napisał(a):

> Hi,
>
> This weekend I put together a SPAM detector for OSM changesets.
>
> https://github.com/jremillard/osm-changeset-classification
>
> You don't need to be a developer to contribute, send over any SPAM'y
> changesets you come across via a github issue, a pull request, or even an
> email to me. I just need the changeset id.
>
> The code is currently hitting 99+% accuracy detecting the difference
> between 1500 random normal edits and 1500 sketchy changesets that Fredrick
> shared with the talk-us last last week. This is with zero tuning, so it
> looks like it will work well.
>
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Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2018-03-05 Per discussione Darko Boto

Fabik, nadležna institucija za imena ulica i adrese je DGU tj. gradovi
imenuju ulice a DGU vodi evidenciju. Zagreb je  generalno u okviru
održavanja katastarskih podataka imao poseban status tako da je imao i neku
svoju politiku evidencije naziva ulica i adresa pa su tako, prema popisu
koji nam je u to vrijeme došao u ruke našli tri službena imena (Puno naziv,
skraćeni naziv i mislim da je treći bio kao "prihvaćeni"). Kako je do toga
došlo i koja je logika toga i koji je od njih službeni nikad nismo saznali.



2018-03-05 11:48 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić :

> Darko Boto je malo više rekao:
>
> >Vlasnik podataka u kojima su sadrzani i sluzbeni nazivi ulica je DGU, pa
> ukoliko mislimo slati neki upit to je adresa na koju se trebamo obratiti.
> Jos sam dobio informaciju da Bandic gura projekt s kojim bi se zamijene sve
> ploce sa nazivima ulica, ali i plocice sa kucnim brojevima pa ukoliko to
> prodje (mada sumljam.. puno je to novaca) taj ce se kaos sa razlicitim
> nazivima ulica rascistiti koliko toliko.
>
> Valjda je DGU neki autoritet. Ali nisam stručnjak u tom polju.
>
> Uglavnom, još bih spomenuo ovu stranicu na OSM Wikiju:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29
>
> Gdje piše da se ne skraćuju imena ulica, čak i ako je na ploči skraćeno,
> mora se upisati puno ime.
>
> Janko
>
> pon, 5. ožu 2018. u 11:08 Michal Fabík  napisao
> je:
>
> > 2018-03-04 22:48 GMT+01:00 Darko Boto :
> > > Skužili smo u ZG da ima tri službena
> >
> > Pozdrav,
> > kako ovo izgleda u praksi? Neka nadležna institucija tvrdi da je
> > službeni naziv X ili Y ili Z? Ili postoji više institucija koje
> > regulišu nazive ulica i ne zna se koja je zapravo nadležna?
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 01:35:41PM +, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 05/03/2018 11:49, Richard wrote:
> >this one problem could be (somewhat) solved by conditional restrictions,
> 
> No, this is not an access restriction - people are allowed to go there
> whenever they like; it might just not be advisable.

should have been more precise, the syntax defined in that wiki page
could be easily reused for this.

> I'd be against mapping non-quantifiable risks like this because it fails the
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability test - as has already been
> discussed, one person might feel safe; another may not.  A "feeling of
> safety" likely has little bearing on actual risk (for example, during the
> breakup of Yugoslavia someone was worried about me visiting Prague) and
> there are many problems associated with assuming that one reflects the other
> (see e.g. 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/08/12/the-many-problems-with-sketchfactor-the-new-crime-crowdsourcing-app-that-some-are-calling-racist/
> ).

of course. The jews will encounter different problems than Germans or LGBT
folks. Which imho does not mean that all of these have legitimate concerns.

Richard

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[OSM-talk] OSM SPAM detector

2018-03-05 Per discussione Jason Remillard

Hi,

This weekend I put together a SPAM detector for OSM changesets.

https://github.com/jremillard/osm-changeset-classification

You don't need to be a developer to contribute, send over any SPAM'y
changesets you come across via a github issue, a pull request, or even an
email to me. I just need the changeset id.

The code is currently hitting 99+% accuracy detecting the difference
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shared with the talk-us last last week. This is with zero tuning, so it
looks like it will work well.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

2018-03-05 Per discussione Andy Townsend


On 05/03/2018 11:49, Richard wrote:

this one problem could be (somewhat) solved by conditional restrictions,


No, this is not an access restriction - people are allowed to go there 
whenever they like; it might just not be advisable.


I'd be against mapping non-quantifiable risks like this because it fails 
the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability test - as has 
already been discussed, one person might feel safe; another may not.  A 
"feeling of safety" likely has little bearing on actual risk (for 
example, during the breakup of Yugoslavia someone was worried about me 
visiting Prague) and there are many problems associated with assuming 
that one reflects the other (see e.g. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/08/12/the-many-problems-with-sketchfactor-the-new-crime-crowdsourcing-app-that-some-are-calling-racist/ 
).


As to actual tagging of anything _quantifiable_, then perhaps the 
"tagging" list is the better place for that.


Best Regards,

Andy




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Re: [OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 12:19:19PM +, Ben Oliver wrote:

> Surely then that is enough and we shouldn't need to flag 'dangerous' areas?

many other things can also be decuded like this and we still prefer to
tag them explicitly.
If someone wants to tag it I am against disallowing it for political 
or ideological reasons.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Donation from the Pineapple Fund

2018-03-05 Per discussione Michael Andersen

See https://twitter.com/firefishy1/status/953763743615389697

Hjart

On mandag den 5. marts 2018 12.21.22 CET Dave F wrote:
> I've very little knowledge or even interest in Bitcoin, but was it
> converted into hard currency? If not, is it worth much now?
> 
> DaveF
> 
> On 05/03/2018 03:15, Daniel Koć wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > You might remember news about big bitcoin donation from the Pineapple
> > Fund:
> > 
> > https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2018/01/11/donation-from-pineapple-fund/
> > 
> > I wonder how OSMF plans to use it?
> > 
> > This is substantial amount of money, however I'm aware that it's just
> > a one time shot and not a big change for the OSM in the long run -
> > it's "only" about 2x more than yearly income:
> > 
> > "Our total income in 2016, without SOTM, was £124,000."
> > 
> > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Finances/Treasurer%27s_Report_for_the_
> > December_2017_AGM
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Re: [OSM-talk] Donation from the Pineapple Fund

2018-03-05 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Dave F  wrote:

> I've very little knowledge or even interest in Bitcoin, but was it
> converted into hard currency? If not, is it worth much now?
>
> DaveF
>

Per Frederik's (OSMF Treasurer) email on the OSMF mailing list in January,
all of the donated bitcoins should have already been converted to British
pounds:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2018-January/005009.html

However, I am not sure how much pounds it all was converted into eventually.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Donation from the Pineapple Fund

2018-03-05 Per discussione Ben Oliver


On 18-03-05 12:21:22, Dave F wrote:
I've very little knowledge or even interest in Bitcoin, but was it 
converted into hard currency? If not, is it worth much now?


DaveF


I'm curious too. Quite a few projects got a big chunk of change just as 
the price of BTC went down.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

2018-03-05 Per discussione Ben Oliver


On 18-03-05 13:00:10, Richard wrote:

On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 11:10:40AM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote:


Besides the verifiability problem, such tagging would discriminate one
demographic group against another, and increase the cultural bias in OSM.


where does such political correctness end? Consider that mapping
brothels, landfills, busy roads and many other features will allow
someone to draw conclusions about the socioeconomic status of the
Area. Most of the time you can deduce income status purely by
the geometry of houses and roads.

Richard


Surely then that is enough and we shouldn't need to flag 'dangerous' 
areas?


I think if you were to do something like this you would have to underpin 
it with crime stats or something.


As a semi-off-topic aside - this was actually the subject of an episode 
of 'The Good Wife'...!


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Re: [OSM-talk] Donation from the Pineapple Fund

2018-03-05 Per discussione Dave F

I've very little knowledge or even interest in Bitcoin, but was it 
converted into hard currency? If not, is it worth much now?


DaveF


On 05/03/2018 03:15, Daniel Koć wrote:

Hi,

You might remember news about big bitcoin donation from the Pineapple 
Fund:


https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2018/01/11/donation-from-pineapple-fund/

I wonder how OSMF plans to use it?

This is substantial amount of money, however I'm aware that it's just 
a one time shot and not a big change for the OSM in the long run - 
it's "only" about 2x more than yearly income:


"Our total income in 2016, without SOTM, was £124,000."

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Finances/Treasurer%27s_Report_for_the_December_2017_AGM 







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Re: [OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 11:10:40AM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote:

> Besides the verifiability problem, such tagging would discriminate one
> demographic group against another, and increase the cultural bias in OSM.

where does such political correctness end? Consider that mapping 
brothels, landfills, busy roads and many other features will allow 
someone to draw conclusions about the socioeconomic status of the 
Area. Most of the time you can deduce income status purely by
the geometry of houses and roads.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 11:23:27PM -0600, Rodrigo Rodríguez wrote:

> I know I could map if the streets are well iluminated or how is their
> surface, but that's not enough to what happens on those streets (gangs
> and violence, for example). I could also use the class=bicycle tag and
> "hack" a routing service to properly identify these tags, but that's
> doesn't give me the real reflect of reality: I can move around those
> street by day, not on the night.

this one problem could be (somewhat) solved by conditional restrictions,
eg sunset-sunrise
  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions

Not that any routing engine I am aware of would understand those.

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Re: [OSM-ja] 海岸線、県境線の大規模な単純化について

2018-03-05 Per discussione Satoshi IIDA

いいだです。

ikiyaさんが変更セットにコメントを行ったところ、回答がありました。
talk-jaに転送して欲しい、とのことなので、抄訳して転送します。
詳しくは原文を参照ください。
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56884508


* 気にかけてくれてありがとう！
* 日本だけに行っている変更ではない
* 海岸線や行政境など、過去のインポートで、ノードの間隔が近いなど冗長な入力が行われているデータを単純化（Simplify）している
（インポートで作成されたデータの精度からして、メートル以下（60cmや80cm）の間隔でノードが打たれているのは強い意味を持たないので、そうしたデータを単純化するなど）
* 過去のインポート（特に国土数値情報）で入力された不要なタグも消している

* 詳しい議論については、日記も参照して欲しい
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe/diary/43428 -> ここが日本に関する議論
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe/diary/37421
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe/diary/37473


いいだの個人的な感想としては、リーズナブルな変更かな、と思っています。
（もちろん、こういう作業するなら、ローカルに対して事前に通知と議論をして欲しい、というのはありますが ^^;）


2018年3月5日 18:07 Tomomichi Hayakawa :

> Tomです。
>
>
> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/filters?filters={"date__gte"%
> 3A[{"label"%3A"2018-01-01"%2C"value"%3A"2018-01-01"}]%2C"
> users"%3A[{"label"%3A"bdiscoe"%2C"value"%3A"bdiscoe"}]}
>
> これでわかるかな？
>
> 2018年3月4日 23:32 Hiroshi Miura(@osmf) :
> > 三浦です
> >
> >
> > On 2018年03月04日 17:35, f334194...@yahoo.co.jp wrote:
> >> このユーザー
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe
> >> により、日本の海岸線、県境線等のウェイの構成ノードを間引く編集が
> >> 大規模に行われています。
> >>
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56864210
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56863911
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56863803
> >> など。
> >>
> >> 何か議論や合意の上の行為ですか。
> >
> > 議論した記憶はないですが、
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe/diary/43428
> >
> > 過去のKSJ2インポートのデータについて、問題を指摘して、日記のうえで議論が行われています。
> > 関係しますかね。
> >
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Re: [Talk-de] Stipendien für State of the Map

2018-03-05 Per discussione Jo

Schade dass das nur für Leute aus Deutschland ist.

Polyglot

2018-03-05 11:37 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Rück :

> Liebe Mapper,
>
> ich möchte euch gerne darauf hinweisen, dass Wikimedia Deutschland noch
> zwei Stipendien für die State of the Map vergibt, die vom 28. bis 30. Juli
> 2018 in Mailand statt findet.
>
> Wer die Konferenz besuchen möchte, findet dort weitere Informationen zur
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> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reisestipendien
>
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Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2018-03-05 Per discussione Janko Mihelić

Darko Boto je malo više rekao:

>Vlasnik podataka u kojima su sadrzani i sluzbeni nazivi ulica je DGU, pa
ukoliko mislimo slati neki upit to je adresa na koju se trebamo obratiti.
Jos sam dobio informaciju da Bandic gura projekt s kojim bi se zamijene sve
ploce sa nazivima ulica, ali i plocice sa kucnim brojevima pa ukoliko to
prodje (mada sumljam.. puno je to novaca) taj ce se kaos sa razlicitim
nazivima ulica rascistiti koliko toliko.

Valjda je DGU neki autoritet. Ali nisam stručnjak u tom polju.

Uglavnom, još bih spomenuo ovu stranicu na OSM Wikiju:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29

Gdje piše da se ne skraćuju imena ulica, čak i ako je na ploči skraćeno,
mora se upisati puno ime.

Janko

pon, 5. ožu 2018. u 11:08 Michal Fabík  napisao je:

> 2018-03-04 22:48 GMT+01:00 Darko Boto :
> > Skužili smo u ZG da ima tri službena
>
> Pozdrav,
> kako ovo izgleda u praksi? Neka nadležna institucija tvrdi da je
> službeni naziv X ili Y ili Z? Ili postoji više institucija koje
> regulišu nazive ulica i ne zna se koja je zapravo nadležna?
>
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Re: [Talk-de] Tagging von kombinierten Wohn- und Geschäftshäusern

2018-03-05 Per discussione liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu

Am 5. März 2018 um 11:33 schrieb Tom Pfeifer :

> Üblich ist die kompaktere Form, building=detached (1,1 Mill), die im
> Englischen auch als Substantiv gebraucht wird.
>
> building=semi_detached_house Doppelhaushälfte
>>
>
> building=semidetached_house (51 K, no wiki), =semi (16 K, wiki)
> =semi_detached (0.6 K, no wiki)
>


m.E. sind auch hier Abkürzungen, selbst wenn sie im englischen Sprachraum
üblich sind, besser zu vermeiden.



>
> building=terraced_house  Reihenhaus
>>
>
> sehr wenig getagged. Die zusammenhängende Reihe (building=terrace) sehr
> viel, 470 K, aber die einzelenen Einheiten: =terraced_house, =terraced
> zusammen weniger als 0.2 K



ja, wobei da eben nicht klar ist, welches davon "Terrassen" sind, und
welches Reihenhäuser (die meisten vermutlich). Wenn es wenigstens
"terraced" wäre, aber nur "terrace" is unklar.

Gruß,
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[Talk-de] Stipendien für State of the Map

2018-03-05 Per discussione Nicolas Rück

Liebe Mapper,

ich möchte euch gerne darauf hinweisen, dass Wikimedia Deutschland noch
zwei Stipendien für die State of the Map vergibt, die vom 28. bis 30. Juli
2018 in Mailand statt findet.

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Re: [Talk-de] Tagging von kombinierten Wohn- und Geschäftshäusern

2018-03-05 Per discussione Tom Pfeifer


On 05.03.2018 10:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Am 4. März 2018 um 22:24 schrieb Volker Schmidt :

Nein, building=house ist ein Einfamilienhaus.


m.E. grundsätzlich nicht ganz klar und hat Potential für Verwechslungen.


Die Verwechslungsgefahr besteht insbesondere im Deutschen wegen der Ähnlichkeit von house und Haus 
mit unterschiedlicher Semantik.


Derzeit ist building=house mit 25 Mill Verwendungen der zweithäufigste Wert 
nach 'yes' [1]
Die Definition "A single dwelling unit usually inhabited by one family" ist 
eigentlich glasklar.


Ich würde eher explizit vorgehen:

building=detached_house Einfamilienhaus


Üblich ist die kompaktere Form, building=detached (1,1 Mill), die im Englischen auch als Substantiv 
gebraucht wird.



building=semi_detached_house Doppelhaushälfte


building=semidetached_house (51 K, no wiki), =semi (16 K, wiki) =semi_detached 
(0.6 K, no wiki)


building=terraced_house  Reihenhaus


sehr wenig getagged. Die zusammenhängende Reihe (building=terrace) sehr viel, 470 K, aber die 
einzelenen Einheiten: =terraced_house, =terraced zusammen weniger als 0.2 K


[1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/building#values

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] La SNCF utilise OSM sans attribution sur le portail wifi des TGV

2018-03-05 Per discussione Guillaume Rischard

J’ai relancé la chef de projet, qui parle d’un déploiement possible à partir de 
cette nuit :

https://twitter.com/Cmalospi/status/970599930204172288 


> On 25 Dec 2017, at 15:55, François Lacombe  wrote:
> 
> Lequel échange que voici
> https://twitter.com/RatZillaS/status/941978335915192320 
> 
> 
> Bonne fin de Noël :)
> 
> François 
> 
> Le 25 déc. 2017 14:31, "Christian Quest"  > a écrit :
> Il y a eu un échange à ce sujet sur twitter et si j'ai bien compris ça sera 
> réglé dans la prochaine version mise en production.
> 
> Le 25 décembre 2017 à 13:51, Guillaume Rischard  > a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> La SNCF met à disposition de ses clients TGV un portail wifi (www.wifi.sncf, 
> ne marche que dans le train). J’avais reconnu, début Novembre, les données 
> OSM, et cherché sans succès l’indispensable attribution. Je les avais 
> contactés gentiment via le formulaire de feedback, et n’ai jamais reçu de 
> réponse.
> 
> Une comparaison avec les tiles standard osm est assez flagrante: 
> https://imgur.com/a/Jb7uv 
> 
> Est-ce que quelqu’un aurait un contact à la SNCF qui pourrait faire rajouter 
> l’attribution manquante?
> 
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Re: [Talk-it] affitto ebike


Il 05/03/2018 11:12, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:

Ciao Listàti,

come taggare un negozio che vende ed affitta bici (mountain bike) con
pedalata assistita?
Da quello che ho capito dello schema di etichettatura, potrebbe essere così:

amenity=shop
shop=bicycle
bicycle:rental=yes
bicycle:rental:ebike=yes (questo l'ho inventato adesso)




Propongo:

bicycle:rental=ebike/e-bike


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Re: [Talk-it] affitto ebike

2018-03-05 11:12 GMT+01:00 Cascafico Giovanni :

> Ciao Listàti,
>
> come taggare un negozio che vende ed affitta bici (mountain bike) con
> pedalata assistita?
> Da quello che ho capito dello schema di etichettatura, potrebbe essere
> così:
>
> amenity=shop
> shop=bicycle
> bicycle:rental=yes
> bicycle:rental:ebike=yes (questo l'ho inventato adesso)
>
> ho anche dei dubbi se anteporre "service" e perchè;
> per esempio:
>
> service:bicycle:rental=yes
>
> service:bicycle:ebike =yes
> questa etichetta  ha un count 84  in taginfo, ma che significa il prefisso
> "service"? riparazione? noleggio?
>
> io metterei
> bicycle:rental:ebike=yes
>


domande: vogliamo distinguere pedelec da ebike?
Cosa facciamo con i motorini elettrici?

Concordo che "service:bicycle:ebike" sembra un strano tag, non
interpretabile univocamente.
Generalmente non capisco il senso del prefisso "service". Qual'è il
vantaggio di usare "service:bicycle:rental=yes" rispetto a
"bicycle:rental=yes"?
Poi con "bicycle:ebike" vedo il rischio di usare per tutti i tipi di ebike
questo tag, mentre alcuni sono motorini (legalmente) e non bici.

Chiederei alla lista tagging.

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[Talk-it] affitto ebike

2018-03-05 Per discussione Cascafico Giovanni

Ciao Listàti,

come taggare un negozio che vende ed affitta bici (mountain bike) con
pedalata assistita?
Da quello che ho capito dello schema di etichettatura, potrebbe essere così:

amenity=shop
shop=bicycle
bicycle:rental=yes
bicycle:rental:ebike=yes (questo l'ho inventato adesso)

ho anche dei dubbi se anteporre "service" e perchè;
per esempio:

service:bicycle:rental=yes

service:bicycle:ebike =yes
questa etichetta  ha un count 84  in taginfo, ma che significa il prefisso
"service"? riparazione? noleggio?

io metterei
bicycle:rental:ebike=yes
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Re: [OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

2018-03-05 Per discussione Tom Pfeifer


On 27.02.2018 12:58, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Mapping perceived danger has been discussed some years ago, and AFAIR wasn't considered to be 
verifiable. Tried to find the discussion but couldn't, you might try yourself with your favorite 
search engine.


It was on the tagging list, see the start here:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-November/030581.html

Besides the verifiability problem, such tagging would discriminate one demographic group against 
another, and increase the cultural bias in OSM.


I remember when I asked a car rental agent for zones to avoid, he kindly marked areas on the map for 
me, but it was not printed on them.


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Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2018-03-05 Per discussione Michal Fabík

2018-03-04 22:48 GMT+01:00 Darko Boto :
> Skužili smo u ZG da ima tri službena

Pozdrav,
kako ovo izgleda u praksi? Neka nadležna institucija tvrdi da je
službeni naziv X ili Y ili Z? Ili postoji više institucija koje
regulišu nazive ulica i ne zna se koja je zapravo nadležna?

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Re: [Talk-de] Tagging von kombinierten Wohn- und Geschäftshäusern

Am 4. März 2018 um 22:24 schrieb Volker Schmidt :

> > building=house und dann noch ein POI fürs Geschäft.
> >
>
> Nein, building=house ist ein Einfamilienhaus.
>


m.E. grundsätzlich nicht ganz klar und hat Potential für Verwechslungen.
Ich würde eher explizit vorgehen:

building=detached_house Einfamilienhaus

building=semi_detached_house Doppelhaushälfte

building=terraced_house  Reihenhaus

etc.





> Wenn es ueberwiegend zu Wohnzwecken benutzt wird, ist sicher
> building=residential eine gute Wahl. Fuer die Geschaefte im Erdgeschoss
> setzt du einzelne nodes mit den entsprechenden tags.
>


Es geht hier wie immer bei "building" um den Bautypus, nicht
notwendigerweise um die aktuelle Nutzung. Geschäfte im Erdgeschoss (shop=*
etc.) betreffen immer die Nutzung, nie den Gebäudetyp. Wenn wir wirklich
unterscheiden können wollen, welcher Art das Gebäude ist, und welche
Nutzung es hat, dann brauchen wir einen Gebäudetyp für Wohn- und
Geschäftshaus. Es könnte sonst genauso gut sein, dass es sich um ein
Wohnhaus handelt, in dessen Erdgeschosswohnungen Läden betrieben werden.
Auch der umgekehrte Fall ist gar nicht so selten: Leute die in Läden im
Erdgeschoss wohnen.

Auch gibt es gerade in Innenstadtlagen oft den Fall, dass sich Büros;
Arztpraxen oder ähnliches im Gebäude befinden, d.h. nicht nur Läden sind
typische Nicht-wohnnutzungen, und es geht nicht nur um das Erdgeschoss.

Gruß,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Chantier nouvel université sorbonne nation : licence ?

2018-03-05 Per discussione Nicolas Bétheuil

Le chantier est déjà bien avancé
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=145781161=88

Du coup j'ai juste shooter les bâtiments qui n'existent plus, changer le nom
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56896209

Le 3 mars 2018 à 18:41, Christian Quest  a écrit :

> C'est un établissement public, donc informations publiques, logiquement
> c'est Licence Ouverte.
>
> Par contre, si c'est en chantier... un bon gros polygone
> landuse=construction semble suffisant pour l'instant, non ?
>
> Le 3 mars 2018 à 09:11, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :
>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> la licence est odbl.
>>
>> Je ne retrouve pas la trace mais j'ai souvenir de lettres pdf stockée sur
>> le wiki avec des mentions type  :
>>
>>- si c'est seulement pour OSM, alors "la mise à disposition de ces
>>données est autorisée pour la réutilisation et l'intégration dans la base
>>de donnée OpenStreetMap sous licence OdbL.
>>- si c'est général, alors le plus simple c'est : ces données sont mis
>>à disposition sous la licence OdbL"
>>
>> Importance de s'assurer que l'expéditeur de la lettre est bien le
>> propriétaire des données.
>>
>> PS : je ne suis pas juriste :)
>>
>> Bonne journée
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 02/03/2018 à 17:33, Nicolas Bétheuil a écrit :
>>
>> J'ai trouvé dans la FAQ
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Questions_fr%C3%A9que
>> ntes_l%C3%A9gales#2b._Une_organisation_X_met_.C3.A0_disp
>> osition_des_donn.C3.A9es_en_t.C3.A9l.C3.A9chargement_libre_
>> sous_une_licence_L._Puis-je_les_utiliser_dans_OSM_.3F
>>
>> un accord sur support électronique suffit ou je fais envoyer un support
>> papier à une adresse du bureau OSM ?
>>
>> Le 2 mars 2018 à 13:45, Nicolas Bétheuil  a écrit :
>>
>>> Bonjour,
>>>
>>> Quel licence demander pour pouvoir intégrer les bâtiments de la future
>>> université (déjà sortie de terre) ?
>>> Des mentions particulières OSM ?
>>>
>>> https://chantier-nation-sorbonne-nouvelle.com/
>>>
>>> Merci
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Danger zone for pedestrians

2018-03-05 7:57 GMT+01:00 Maarten Deen :

> On 2018-03-05 06:23, Rodrigo Rodríguez wrote:
>
>> These are sort of the things I would appreciate I could be able to
>> map in OSM. Even with the subjective point of view that might
>> represent to tag a way as insecure or not, it is easily achievable to
>> determine a way or schema in wich you could identify wether a street
>> is safe to walk or pass through under determinated conditions.
>>
>
> I disagree. Nothing is more subjective than a sense of danger. There are a
> few roads in my home town that I hear from one or two people are "very
> dangerous" and "should be avoided by bicycle" where I have no problem with
> those roads at all and use them daily.
> How can I determine that from a very subjective "dangerous" tag. I would
> have to see that road for myself to determine if I find it dangerous or
> not, making that tag useless.
>
> If you want such a classification, you would need to tap into crime and
> accident statistics for that road.




I agree that there can be roads and areas one wants to avoid, for many
reasons, including having fear of perceived or actual danger. As this is
subjective and hard or even intrinsicly impossible to verify, I don't think
we should have these in OSM though. I would suggest using a routing engine
that allows for avoidance of given areas, e.g. ORS. These areas could also
be stored in some crowdsourced system, but I don't know if this is already
available.

Cheers,
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[OSM-talk-fr] Orthophotos Guadeloupe et Martinique de 2017... à 20cm :)

2018-03-05 Per discussione Christian Quest

Les orthophotos à 20cm de 2017 des deux départements sont disponibles en
opendata (Licence Ouverte) mais pas encore intégrées à la BD Ortho.

J'ai récupéré ça et mis en place un petit serveur WMS de test (avec QGis
server 3.0):

http://wms.cquest.org/?service=WMS=GetCapabilities

Source: "ORTHOHR 2017"

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Re: [OSM-ja] 海岸線、県境線の大規模な単純化について

2018-03-05 Per discussione Tomomichi Hayakawa

Tomです。


https://osmcha.mapbox.com/filters?filters={"date__gte"%3A[{"label"%3A"2018-01-01"%2C"value"%3A"2018-01-01"}]%2C"users"%3A[{"label"%3A"bdiscoe"%2C"value"%3A"bdiscoe"}]}

これでわかるかな？

2018年3月4日 23:32 Hiroshi Miura(@osmf) :
> 三浦です
>
>
> On 2018年03月04日 17:35, f334194...@yahoo.co.jp wrote:
>> このユーザー
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe
>> により、日本の海岸線、県境線等のウェイの構成ノードを間引く編集が
>> 大規模に行われています。
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56864210
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56863911
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56863803
>> など。
>>
>> 何か議論や合意の上の行為ですか。
>
> 議論した記憶はないですが、
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe/diary/43428
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> 過去のKSJ2インポートのデータについて、問題を指摘して、日記のうえで議論が行われています。
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Re: [OSM-talk] US Highway 266

2018-03-05 Per discussione Toby Murray

Sorry, I have been letting this disagreement simmer for too long.
Since it was brought up on the mailing list, I will present my view of
the situation here as well. I am not even going to say who is on which
side of the argument. My goal is to just present facts and give my own
opinion at the end.

The basic disagreement and resulting edit war has been over what
should be in the name=* tag on the ways of a section of highway in
Tulsa, Oklahoma. There have been links to state legislature PDFs
thrown around but given that OSM primarily cares about what is on the
ground, here is what I have found.

To start off with, meet Creek Turnpike:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1250473

The section of Creek Turnpike that runs from US 64 east to Oklahoma
highway 351 (the section that hooks south around the "Broken Arrow"
label) has been given the (additional) name "Liberty Parkway"

The name "Liberty Parkway" is displayed on exactly two signs along the
side of the road. One in each direction of travel at the beginning of
the section bearing the name. The text is not readable in these two
pictures but I accept that these signs on the side of the road do
indeed say "Liberty Parkway":
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=cm5oVVWk80AaduDL7nyEqg=photo
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=68OvirwWRGLfsukjcViWVg=photo

Additionally, there is a trail named "Liberty Parkway Trail" that runs
along this section of highway and is mapped here:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1203739

However, highway direction signs at onramps and interchanges seem to
all say either "Creek Turnpike" or simply "Turnpike":
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=0n7y8MbjPuXcfsxgL7j1ww=photo
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=7NgyVhy8W3AzaDhcs_wgmA=photo
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=Z5vS2VS0-N1zvXSG8seBVw=photo
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=aOye82EFOJuUZHrElTKwmA=photo

So, how do we tag this situation? Both parties are claiming "ground
truth" supports their view and certainly there is evidence for both
names signed on the ground.

An argument can certainly be made that the name "Creek Turnpike" is
present on the route relation so the member ways can contain the more
specific "Liberty Parkway" name.

At the end of the day, this edit war is basically an argument over
tagging for the renderer. Which name gets displayed more prominently
on rendered maps that typically only use the name tag from ways. I'm
guessing if common renderers displayed the alt_name tag in some way,
one of the names would have been put there and this would never have
grown into an edit war in the first place.

I could just about flip a coin on this and be happy either way.
However since "Creek Turnpike" and "Turnpike" are used on all the
onramps, it does seem a little more appropriate for that to be
displayed more prominently with "Liberty Parkway" being put in the
alt_name tag on the ways.

Not that we have to do things the same as everyone else but as another
data point I checked a few other maps and they all seem to display
"Creek Turnpike" along this section although one of them also has an
alternate name of "Broken Arrow South Loop" which... I have no idea
where that comes from so let's just ignore that :)

Lastly, I will point out that an internet search for "Liberty Parkway"
with various additions of "Oklahoma" or "Tulsa" or "Broken Arrow" all
return top results that are about the trail. In fact, the only results
I see referring to the road are links to OSM ways that have been the
subject of this edit war.

Toby

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> changeset threads, 36 of which have been his inability to deal with the
> Liberty Parkway rename by the state legislature from over a decade ago.
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semanarioOSM? 
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¿Quién?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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semanarioOSM Nº 397 2018-02-20-2018-02-26

Hola, el semanario Nº 397, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/10075/

¡Disfruta!

semanarioOSM? 
¿Dónde?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
¿Quién?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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semanarioOSM Nº 397 2018-02-20-2018-02-26