Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Per discussione Warin

On 11/03/19 10:45, Martin Wynne wrote:
There's clearly no evidence of 4 wheeled vehicles, so it should be 
marked as a bridleway, but It's advisable to check the whole length 
as sections can be used by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get 
between adjacent fields.


It's a public bridleway, with the usual "evidence", so no argument 
about that.


But is it highway=bridleway or highway=track?

There is evidence of recent wheeled use, which I think was a tractor 
gaining access across the adjacent fields for the purpose of 
hedge-trimming alongside it. It clearly was once a vehicular track.


What I think I'm getting at is this -- is the highway= tag intended to 
represent the physical appearance, or the intended use?


Arr ..
I'd tag the present use.

highway=track
motor_vehicle=private?
horse=yes
surface=unpaved

Where the 'wheeled use' is not evident then I'd tag highway=bridleway etc.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Roads Act 1993 (Classification of Regional / National Roads) (Amendment) Orders 2018

2019-03-10 Per discussione Colm Moore
Hi,

There were some new orders last year. I'm not sure if they have been mapped.


This is a list of all such current orders.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/53/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/si/54/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/si/273/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/131/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/434/made/en/print
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/435/made/en/print

Wikipedia will also need updating.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Per discussione Martin Wynne
There's clearly no evidence of 4 wheeled vehicles, so it should be 
marked as a bridleway, but It's advisable to check the whole length as 
sections can be used by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get 
between adjacent fields.


It's a public bridleway, with the usual "evidence", so no argument about 
that.


But is it highway=bridleway or highway=track?

There is evidence of recent wheeled use, which I think was a tractor 
gaining access across the adjacent fields for the purpose of 
hedge-trimming alongside it. It clearly was once a vehicular track.


What I think I'm getting at is this -- is the highway= tag intended to 
represent the physical appearance, or the intended use?


cheers,

Martin.

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon

2019-03-10 Per discussione Dion Moult
Thanks! I've submitted the slack form and will wait for an email perhaps to be 
invited into the channel.

I'm not personally aware of NGOs in the area but I'll ask around. It sounds 
like a great idea !

See you on slack when I get invited !

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 Original Message 
On 11 Mar. 2019, 10:11 am, Edoardo Neerhut wrote:

> Hi Dion,
>
> Glad to hear interest in some Missing Maps mapping in Sydney.
>
> We've run quite a few humanitarian events in Melbourne now and one thing that 
> really helped was getting on board a relevant partner. In our case, The 
> Global Health Alliance Melbourne has assisted by providing a venue, helping 
> to promote, and bringing on board partner institutions who can give insights 
> into some of the places we're mapping remotely.
>
> There are probably a lot of international NGOs with offices in Sydney who 
> would love to participate.
>
> As Phil said, happy to chat over Slack and bounce ideas.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ed
>
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 09:47, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
>> There are also a few folks in NSW on the Maptime Oceania Slack channel – 
>> maybe jump on there as well if you need some assistance.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdblsyijB0WB9PYZw6EdVUAyaiNRFeWoNimi3haasGRPi6TVQ/viewform
>>
>> From: David Wales [mailto:daviewa...@disroot.org]
>> Sent: Monday, 11 March 2019 9:38 AM
>> To: OSM-Au
>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon
>>
>> Hi Dion,
>>
>> I would be interested in participating.
>> I don't know of I count as experienced, but I'm happy to help any newbies!
>>
>> Regards,
>> David Wales
>>
>> On 11 March 2019 8:05:58 am AEDT, Dion Moult  wrote:
>>
>> Good morning all!
>>
>> I recently had a chat with Ritva from WSP in Brisbane, who told me how they 
>> organised mapathons as part of the missing maps initiative in Brisbane.
>>
>> I was inspired by this and checked the upcoming events page on missing maps 
>> (http://www.missingmaps.org/events/) but did not see any events listed in 
>> the Sydney region (did I miss something perhaps?)
>>
>> I'm wondering if there are any other Sydneysiders who are keen on a 
>> mapathon, and if there are any experienced Sydney mappers who can help lead 
>> such a mapathon and guide newcomers (I find that I am quite uncertain when 
>> mapping things on HOTOSM Tasks, due to the non-city like nature of the 
>> satellite images). I think there will be some the architecture company I 
>> work at who would be interested in participating, and although I can't speak 
>> for WSP, they have a Sydney branch who I assume might be interested in 
>> joining. I can help organise things like venue and catering.
>>
>> Thoughts? Volunteers?
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
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Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Per discussione Dave F via Talk-GB



On 10/03/2019 23:19, Warin wrote:

Is there evidence of bridleway use?


The title of the thread is "Bridleway *or* track?"

but It's advisable to check the whole length as sections can be used 
by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get between adjacent fields.


Then the sections will have to be separated and individually tagged.


Err... Yes




{beer? I think I'll just have a cup of tea. (meaning .. don't take any 
of this discussion personally)}


Who was doing that?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Per discussione Warin

On 11/03/19 10:03, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:



On 10/03/2019 22:37, Martin Wynne wrote:

Thanks for the comments.

I'm surprised some folks can be so dogmatic,


A surprising comment considering on your 'rarity' claim.


Comment? If a clear distinction between two things is wanted then there 
needs to be a dogmatic answer? :)




Changing the subject a little, is it still a track if wide enough for 
a vehicle, but the landowner has physically blocked vehicles from 
entering it with barrier=block


There's clearly no evidence of 4 wheeled vehicles, so it should be 
marked as a bridleway, 

Is there evidence of bridleway use?
but It's advisable to check the whole length as sections can be used 
by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get between adjacent fields.


Then the sections will have to be separated and individually tagged.

{beer? I think I'll just have a cup of tea. (meaning .. don't take any 
of this discussion personally)}






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Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon

2019-03-10 Per discussione Edoardo Neerhut
Hi Dion,

Glad to hear interest in some Missing Maps mapping in Sydney.

We've run quite a few humanitarian events in Melbourne now and one thing
that really helped was getting on board a relevant partner. In our case,
The Global Health Alliance Melbourne has assisted by providing a venue,
helping to promote, and bringing on board partner institutions who can give
insights into some of the places we're mapping remotely.

There are probably a lot of international NGOs with offices in Sydney who
would love to participate.

As Phil said, happy to chat over Slack and bounce ideas.

Cheers,

Ed

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 09:47, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> There are also a few folks in NSW on the Maptime Oceania Slack channel –
> maybe jump on there as well if you need some assistance.
>
>
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdblsyijB0WB9PYZw6EdVUAyaiNRFeWoNimi3haasGRPi6TVQ/viewform
>
>
>
> *From:* David Wales [mailto:daviewa...@disroot.org]
> *Sent:* Monday, 11 March 2019 9:38 AM
> *To:* OSM-Au
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon
>
>
>
> Hi Dion,
>
> I would be interested in participating.
> I don't know of I count as experienced, but I'm happy to help any newbies!
>
> Regards,
> David Wales
>
> On 11 March 2019 8:05:58 am AEDT, Dion Moult  wrote:
>
> Good morning all!
>
> I recently had a chat with Ritva from WSP in Brisbane, who told me how
> they organised mapathons as part of the missing maps initiative in Brisbane.
>
> I was inspired by this and checked the upcoming events page on missing
> maps (http://www.missingmaps.org/events/) but did not see any events
> listed in the Sydney region (did I miss something perhaps?)
>
> I'm wondering if there are any other Sydneysiders who are keen on a
> mapathon, and if there are any experienced Sydney mappers who can help lead
> such a mapathon and guide newcomers (I find that I am quite uncertain when
> mapping things on HOTOSM Tasks, due to the non-city like nature of the
> satellite images). I think there will be some the architecture company I
> work at who would be interested in participating, and although I can't
> speak for WSP, they have a Sydney branch who I assume might be interested
> in joining. I can help organise things like venue and catering.
>
> Thoughts? Volunteers?
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
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Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Per discussione Dave F via Talk-GB



On 10/03/2019 22:37, Martin Wynne wrote:

Thanks for the comments.

I'm surprised some folks can be so dogmatic,


A surprising comment considering on your 'rarity' claim.

Changing the subject a little, is it still a track if wide enough for 
a vehicle, but the landowner has physically blocked vehicles from 
entering it with barrier=block


There's clearly no evidence of 4 wheeled vehicles, so it should be 
marked as a bridleway, but It's advisable to check the whole length as 
sections can be used by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get 
between adjacent fields.


Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon

2019-03-10 Per discussione Phil Wyatt
There are also a few folks in NSW on the Maptime Oceania Slack channel – maybe 
jump on there as well if you need some assistance.

 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdblsyijB0WB9PYZw6EdVUAyaiNRFeWoNimi3haasGRPi6TVQ/viewform
 

 

From: David Wales [mailto:daviewa...@disroot.org] 
Sent: Monday, 11 March 2019 9:38 AM
To: OSM-Au
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon

 

Hi Dion,

I would be interested in participating.
I don't know of I count as experienced, but I'm happy to help any newbies!

Regards,
David Wales

On 11 March 2019 8:05:58 am AEDT, Dion Moult  wrote:

Good morning all!

I recently had a chat with Ritva from WSP in Brisbane, who told me how they 
organised mapathons as part of the missing maps initiative in Brisbane.

I was inspired by this and checked the upcoming events page on missing maps 
(http://www.missingmaps.org/events/) but did not see any events listed in the 
Sydney region (did I miss something perhaps?)

I'm wondering if there are any other Sydneysiders who are keen on a mapathon, 
and if there are any experienced Sydney mappers who can help lead such a 
mapathon and guide newcomers (I find that I am quite uncertain when mapping 
things on HOTOSM Tasks, due to the non-city like nature of the satellite 
images). I think there will be some the architecture company I work at who 
would be interested in participating, and although I can't speak for WSP, they 
have a Sydney branch who I assume might be interested in joining. I can help 
organise things like venue and catering.

Thoughts? Volunteers? 

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon

2019-03-10 Per discussione David Wales
Hi Dion,

I would be interested in participating.
I don't know of I count as experienced, but I'm happy to help any newbies!

Regards,
David Wales

On 11 March 2019 8:05:58 am AEDT, Dion Moult  wrote:
>Good morning all!
>
>I recently had a chat with Ritva from WSP in Brisbane, who told me how
>they organised mapathons as part of the missing maps initiative in
>Brisbane.
>
>I was inspired by this and checked the upcoming events page on missing
>maps (http://www.missingmaps.org/events/) but did not see any events
>listed in the Sydney region (did I miss something perhaps?)
>
>I'm wondering if there are any other Sydneysiders who are keen on a
>mapathon, and if there are any experienced Sydney mappers who can help
>lead such a mapathon and guide newcomers (I find that I am quite
>uncertain when mapping things on HOTOSM Tasks, due to the non-city like
>nature of the satellite images). I think there will be some the
>architecture company I work at who would be interested in
>participating, and although I can't speak for WSP, they have a Sydney
>branch who I assume might be interested in joining. I can help organise
>things like venue and catering.
>
>Thoughts? Volunteers?
>
>Sent from ProtonMail mobile
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les contours de la Bretagne

2019-03-10 Per discussione Florimond Berthoux
Je complète:
« les 80 quartiers de Paris ont une définition précise pour leurs limites »
définition qui a été arbitrairement décidé par une instance administrative,
qui n'est même pas présente sur le terrain.
Un parisien ne parlera par de l'ouest de la porte de la Chapelle comme
étant la Goutte d'Or ;)
Donc non, au contraire c'est un bon exemple.

Si le centre d'une région est mieux définit que ses limites extérieurs (ce
qui est généralement le cas en histoire, les frontières bougent plus que le
centre d'un territoire).
Il me parait tout à fait opportun de modéliser cette région par son centre.
Modélisation certes imparfaite mais qui permet tout de même de situer la
chose sans trop de subjectivité.

Le dim. 10 mars 2019 à 19:03, Vincent de Château-Thierry 
a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Le 10/03/2019 à 17:49, Florimond Berthoux a écrit :
> > Bonjour,
> >
> > Utiliser un point et non un polygone, à placer à peu près au centre de
> > la région (en espérant qu'il n'y ai pas une guerre de religion du vrai
> > centre :) ?
> > C'est ce qui est fait pour les quartiers de Paris, par exemple la Goutte
> > D'or https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2142414234
>
> Les quartiers de Paris ne sont pas un bon exemple ici, car contrairement
> aux régions vécues, dont chacun a sa propre limite (Marc_marc parle de
> subjectivité et c'est bien le problème de ces limites), les 80 quartiers
> de Paris ont une définition précise pour leurs limites, reprise par 80
> relations comme celle-ci :
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2195145#map=15/48.8927/2.3547
>
> Pour revenir à la question initiale pas sûr que boundary=historic soit
> pratique pour répondre, ça signifierait que chaque zonage correspond à
> un ancien découpage administratif. Je verrais plutôt une valeur de
> boundary à définir ou à recycler. Je n'ai pas cherché à quoi
> correspondent les 161 relations boundary=traditional notamment.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] General OSM Talk

2019-03-10 Per discussione Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 14:10, Kate Chapman  wrote:
> I'm giving a general talk on OSM

> Is there anything new that you think is especially important or
> interesting I should be sure to not miss?

Cross-linking with Wikidata, through:

   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikidata

of which there are over 1.2 million examples.

Good luck with the talk!
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Re: [Talk-GB] Survey date

2019-03-10 Per discussione Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Yes, that would be fine. You might also consider breaking up the edit into
multiple uploads each with an appropriate source tag - this may be a bit
tricky depending on which editor you use, though.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, 22:02 Martin Wynne,  wrote:

> On 10/03/2019 21:33, Edward Catmur wrote:
> > Changesets have a timestamp attached (the time when you hit upload in the
> > editor, I guess), so the community (other mappers and data consumers) can
> > usually assume that the survey date is more or less the same as the
> > changeset timestamp.
>
> Thanks. But a changeset could contain several dozen different items, not
> all of which have been surveyed at the same time, or even surveyed at all.
>
> For example I might add a footbridge over a stream. The footbridge would
> have been freshly surveyed, but the course of the stream I would most
> likely trace from OS OpenData StreetView in the iD editor.
>
> My thought was to add the physical date to each separate item, the date
> I crossed or photographed the bridge or whatever, regardless of when I
> added it to OSM. It might be only a day or two later, or it might be a
> few months later.
>
> cheers,
>
> Martin.
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Re: [Talk-transit] Defining service on railway=tram

2019-03-10 Per discussione Markus
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 22:49, Jarek Piórkowski  wrote:
>
> Were you thinking of also integrating light rail in this, or keeping it 
> limited to trams for now?

I think it is sensible to not restrict it to trams. While i'm not
aware of irregular light rail or underground tracks, i can well
imagine that they do exist.

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Re: [Talk-transit] Defining service on railway=tram

2019-03-10 Per discussione Jarek Piórkowski
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 17:28, Markus  wrote:
> I still find service=siding to be inappropriate for irregular tracks
> and would prefer a new tag, such as usage=irregular. I am willing to
> prepare a proposal for it as soon as i find some time.

No worries, I agree a dedicated tag with proper values would be great
to have once a proposal makes its way through the process. Were you
thinking of also integrating light rail in this, or keeping it limited
to trams for now?

Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Survey date

2019-03-10 Per discussione Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Changesets have a timestamp attached (the time when you hit upload in the
editor, I guess), so the community (other mappers and data consumers) can
usually assume that the survey date is more or less the same as the
changeset timestamp.

Adding survey date would be redundant unless it's more than a day, week,
etc (depending on area) before you got around to editing and uploading and
the area could have changed in the meantime.

Cheers Ed

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, 21:25 Martin Wynne,  wrote:

> I'm minded to start adding
>
>   survey:date=
>
> to some of my mapping (if you can call climbing over a stile surveying
> it). I've noticed on repeat visits that things do change quite a lot,
> and I can't guarantee to go back and keep everything I map up to date.
>
> But I'm puzzled by the wiki, which says:
>
> "This key should only be used when providing the survey date would be of
> some value to the OSM community, for example if the survey date occurred
> a reasonable amount of time in the past."
>
> Surely end users of the map are just as likely to want to check the date
> of something shown on the map as the "OSM community", which I assume
> means mappers?
>
> And what is a "reasonable amount of time in the past", and starting from
> when? It doesn't make sense. If I survey and map something now, and it
> is still on the map in 10 years time, I need to have put the date on it
> now.
>
> cheers,
>
> Martin.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Survey date

2019-03-10 Per discussione Chris Hill
Every changeset has a date automatically added to it, if your survey is 
much earlier than the data you make the edit maybe it's worth noting the 
difference.


cheers
Chris Hill (chillly)


On 10/03/2019 21:24, Martin Wynne wrote:

I'm minded to start adding

 survey:date=

to some of my mapping (if you can call climbing over a stile surveying 
it). I've noticed on repeat visits that things do change quite a lot, 
and I can't guarantee to go back and keep everything I map up to date.


But I'm puzzled by the wiki, which says:

"This key should only be used when providing the survey date would be 
of some value to the OSM community, for example if the survey date 
occurred a reasonable amount of time in the past."


Surely end users of the map are just as likely to want to check the 
date of something shown on the map as the "OSM community", which I 
assume means mappers?


And what is a "reasonable amount of time in the past", and starting 
from when? It doesn't make sense. If I survey and map something now, 
and it is still on the map in 10 years time, I need to have put the 
date on it now.


cheers,

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Re: [Talk-transit] Defining service on railway=tram

2019-03-10 Per discussione Markus
Hi Jarek,

I still find service=siding to be inappropriate for irregular tracks
and would prefer a new tag, such as usage=irregular. I am willing to
prepare a proposal for it as soon as i find some time.

Regards

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[Talk-GB] Survey date

2019-03-10 Per discussione Martin Wynne

I'm minded to start adding

 survey:date=

to some of my mapping (if you can call climbing over a stile surveying 
it). I've noticed on repeat visits that things do change quite a lot, 
and I can't guarantee to go back and keep everything I map up to date.


But I'm puzzled by the wiki, which says:

"This key should only be used when providing the survey date would be of 
some value to the OSM community, for example if the survey date occurred 
a reasonable amount of time in the past."


Surely end users of the map are just as likely to want to check the date 
of something shown on the map as the "OSM community", which I assume 
means mappers?


And what is a "reasonable amount of time in the past", and starting from 
when? It doesn't make sense. If I survey and map something now, and it 
is still on the map in 10 years time, I need to have put the date on it now.


cheers,

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Re: [Talk-GB] How to map new housing?

2019-03-10 Per discussione Donald Noble
Dave,

As others have pointed out there is no particular way to do this, but I
find that cycling round the roads with a helmet mounted video camera,
speaking out the road names/house numbers as I go past. Often it takes a
few visits to get everything correct, but even if it is not perfect it can
still be helpful.

The advantage I find with video is you get more context than still images.
However I sometimes also use still images to try and triangulate the
positions of parts I can't access, or upload to Mapillary to allow others
to use them for other purposes.

For building outlines, I usually just estimate the size based on the number
of houses and the length of road from the GPS traces, offsetting back from
the road by eye. I tend to draw simple boxes, rather than try and be too
accurate. Once new imagery is available (every year or so), the size/shape
can be tweaked.

Hope this helps,
Donald

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 10:37 Dave Abbott  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm quite new to OSM, and am wondering how I might go about mapping new
> housing plots in my area.
>
> In general, there is nothing on the imagery - I know I can walk the new
> streets and map them with GPS - but how to go about mapping the new
> buildings?
>
> Is there a guide I can look at?
>
> TIA,
>
> Dave Abbott
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[talk-au] Sydney mapathon

2019-03-10 Per discussione Dion Moult
Good morning all!

I recently had a chat with Ritva from WSP in Brisbane, who told me how they 
organised mapathons as part of the missing maps initiative in Brisbane.

I was inspired by this and checked the upcoming events page on missing maps 
(http://www.missingmaps.org/events/) but did not see any events listed in the 
Sydney region (did I miss something perhaps?)

I'm wondering if there are any other Sydneysiders who are keen on a mapathon, 
and if there are any experienced Sydney mappers who can help lead such a 
mapathon and guide newcomers (I find that I am quite uncertain when mapping 
things on HOTOSM Tasks, due to the non-city like nature of the satellite 
images). I think there will be some the architecture company I work at who 
would be interested in participating, and although I can't speak for WSP, they 
have a Sydney branch who I assume might be interested in joining. I can help 
organise things like venue and catering.

Thoughts? Volunteers?

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Re: [Talk-lt] Įdomiosios administracinės ribos

2019-03-10 Per discussione Ramas
Esu kažką panašaus matęs amerikoje, berods schoold districts vadinasi, kai
kiekvienas namas pats pasirenka kam priklauso, tai rezultatas taip ir
atrodo.

On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 21:13, Tomas Straupis  wrote:

> Įdomių geometrijų gauname, administracines ribas stumdant pagal adresus.
> https://blog.openmap.lt/2019/03/07/idomiosios-administracines-ribos/
>
> Primena kokią Olandijos-Belgijos sieną:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Nassau
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[Talk-de] Bericht aus dem OSMF-Advisory-Board

2019-03-10 Per discussione Christoph Hormann

Hallo zusammen,

ich hab im Vorlauf auf die FOSSGIS-Jahres-Hauptversammlung nächste Woche 
mal eine Art Tätigkeitsbericht zu meiner Arbeit im letzten Jahr als 
Vertreter des FOSSGIS im Advisory Board der OSMF geschrieben.

Findet Ihr hier:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/imagico/diary/47917


-- 
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http://www.imagico.de/

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[Talk-et] Street Image Challenge Addis Ababa

2019-03-10 Per discussione Alex (AddisMap.com)
Hi,

AddisMap is hosting a challenge to improve Street Imagery Coverage in Addis
Ababa. Apply if you are interested:

https://lp.addismap.com/street-imagery-challenge/

Best Regards,
Alex

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione marc marc
c'est 2 choses différentes :
- 1 <> 2 way indique la structure physique : y a-t-il ou pas un obstacle 
physique entre les 2 bandes ?)
- overtaking dit s'il y a une interdiction locale de dépasser : y a-t-il 
ou pas un panneau ou une bande de peinture continue ?

Le 10.03.19 à 21:18, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :
> Et avec overtaking=no ?
> 
> Le 10/03/2019 à 21:08, Léo El Amri via Talk-fr - 
> talk-fr@openstreetmap.org a écrit :
>> Cependant, je ne pense pas qu'il soit correct de modifier la voie de
>> dégagement centrale en un seul way à cause de la séparation centrale (Ou
>> alors il faut le faire sur toute la longueur). Mais il est vrai que ça
>> simplifierai vraiment beaucoup la situation.
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Re: [Talk-transit] Defining service on railway=tram

2019-03-10 Per discussione Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 11:33, Jarek Piórkowski  wrote:
> In tram systems, some of the tracks might not be used regularly for
> passenger service. Some might be garage or work area tracks, and
> others might be used only for detours or emergency service.
> ...
> Please see 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Jarek_Pi%C3%B3rkowski/Key:service
> for the suggested addition and
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-January/042313.html
> for more background including a survey of existing tagging.

Hello,

In the spirit of being bold and keeping things relatively
uncomplicated, I have changed Key:service to add suggested
interpretations of railway service values for tram tracks:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:service=prev=1820049

Please feel free to revert this change if you strongly disagree, and
comment if you have ideas.

Thanks,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione osm . sanspourriel

Et avec overtaking=no ?

Le 10/03/2019 à 21:08, Léo El Amri via Talk-fr - 
talk-fr@openstreetmap.org a écrit :

Cependant, je ne pense pas qu'il soit correct de modifier la voie de
dégagement centrale en un seul way à cause de la séparation centrale (Ou
alors il faut le faire sur toute la longueur). Mais il est vrai que ça
simplifierai vraiment beaucoup la situation.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione Léo El Amri via Talk-fr
On 10/03/2019 20:52, jabali wrote:
> Personellement j'aurais fait le carrefour comme ceci avec des:
> lanes|turn:lanes|turn:lanes:back/for ward
> https://postimg.cc/QBqhfTyj
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn
> C'est plus simple, plus proche du terrain, rendu parfait sur les routeurs
> (osmand- Magic-E ), en plus,facile a faire avec josm

Il y a de bonnes idées. Je pense que je vais modifier la brettelle de
droite de la N102 (Pour rejoindre la D56) (Direction nord-ouest ->
sud-est) en un seule way, avec l'attribut lanes:2.

Cependant, je ne pense pas qu'il soit correct de modifier la voie de
dégagement centrale en un seul way à cause de la séparation centrale (Ou
alors il faut le faire sur toute la longueur). Mais il est vrai que ça
simplifierai vraiment beaucoup la situation.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione Léo El Amri via Talk-fr
En effet, il est interdit de tourner à gauche en venant du nord. Il faut
prendre la brettelle de droite et rejoindre le croisement de la N102
depuis la D56 pour traverser et se rendre sur la unclassified.

On 10/03/2019 21:01, jabali wrote:
> D'ailleurs il semble qu'il est aussi interdit de tourner à gauche vers la
> unclassified lorsqu'on vient du haut (nord)
> https://postimg.cc/sM7hDTvK

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione jabali
D'ailleurs il semble qu'il est aussi interdit de tourner à gauche vers la
unclassified lorsqu'on vient du haut (nord)
https://postimg.cc/sM7hDTvK




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione jabali
Personellement j'aurais fait le carrefour comme ceci avec des:
lanes|turn:lanes|turn:lanes:back/for ward
https://postimg.cc/QBqhfTyj
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn
C'est plus simple, plus proche du terrain, rendu parfait sur les routeurs
(osmand- Magic-E ), en plus,facile a faire avec josm

> demande à faire demi-tour en plein milieu de la route (Ce qui est
> interdit, techniquement).

il suffit de poser une restriction.
En pratique se ne sera normalement plus utile dès que OSRM aura validé les
nouveaux ways.



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Re: [talk-cz] sjezdovky

2019-03-10 Per discussione Miroslav Suchý
Dne 09. 03. 19 v 12:45 Marek Janata napsal(a):
> omlouvám se, asi vyřešeno - zůstalo mi tam vlastní nešikovností pár
> vastnotí co tam neměly být, snad už je to ok
> 

Vypadá to ok, ale vždy je co zlepšovat - takže pokud se ti chce:
 * vymezit ještě sjezdovku jako plochu

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:piste:type=downhill#The_piste_as_area
 * pokud se na vleku nudíš, tak mužeš zmapovat i sloupy
   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:aerialway%3Dpylon
 * prvni a posledni uzel vleku by mel byt:
   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:aerialway%3Dstation

Mirek

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione osm . sanspourriel
> demande à faire demi-tour en plein milieu de la route (Ce qui est 
interdit, techniquement).


J'ai ajouté :

overtaking 
 	forward


Comme ça c'est aussi interdit dans OSM.
Je pense - sans garantie - que l'ajout de 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/675841078 fera en sorte qu'OSRM 
prendra en compte le chemin direct dès qu'il aura intégré cette 
modificaiton.


Le 10/03/2019 à 20:15, Léo El Amri via Talk-fr - 
talk-fr@openstreetmap.org a écrit :

Seule la N102 est en primary. Les voies de liaison sont sont en
primary_link (Comme conseillé par le wiki), et la D56 est en secondary.
Ais-je mal compris ?


Non tu as bien fait, c'est juste que l'interface traduit primary_link en 
Primary Road et que j'en avais déduit à tort que c'était décrit comme 
highway=primary qui aurait été incorrect.


Jean-Yvon

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione Léo El Amri via Talk-fr
On 10/03/2019 19:27, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
> je ne comprends pas :
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/675841080
> 
> Je ne vois pas ça sur le terrain, tu as déjà
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/675841078

En effet, j'avais ajouté ce chemin pour éviter la remarque "Tournez à
gauche, puis serrez à droite" du GPS, mais ça n'est pas très important.

> Qui vu le marquage au sol devrait être en sens unique (on semble pas
> pouvoir aller de la petite route de l'est vers le sud-est N102).
> 
> Pas de terre-plein mais une ligne continue avec une pointillé d'un seul
> côté.

Depuis que la brettelle de sortie vers la droite de la D56 est
supprimée, il me semble que les voitures qui sortent de la route de
l'est peuvent traverser et tourner à gauche, je vérifierai les panneaux
à l'occasion. Mais j'ai déjà vu des véhicules procéder ainsi.

> J'ai ajouté ce qui devait manquer : les directions des files de
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/675841081

En effet, je les avais oubliées. Ceci-dit la voie de gauche permet
également d'aller tout droit d'après la façon dont j'ai relié les routes
(Même si le marquage au sol ne le précise pas). Il n'y a aucun autre
moyen de traverser la N102 (Ou alors il faudrait aller jusqu'à la ville
la plus proche, Saint-Georges-D'Aurac, pour y faire demi-tour).

Est-ce pour ça que
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car=45.17775%2C3.51719%3B45.18093%2C3.51617
fonctionne, mais que
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car=45.17775%2C3.51719%3B45.17891%2C3.51970
demande à faire demi-tour en plein milieu de la route (Ce qui est
interdit, techniquement).

> Je ne comprends pas qu'une primiry road parte et arrive à une secondary
> road car tout le flux arrivant / partant de la D56 ne peut être plus
> important : seule la N102 devrait être en primary.

Seule la N102 est en primary. Les voies de liaison sont sont en
primary_link (Comme conseillé par le wiki), et la D56 est en secondary.
Ais-je mal compris ?

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Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: Adressmapping auf Building-Relationen oder Outline

2019-03-10 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
On 10.03.19 19:20, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
> Eigenschaften, die das ganze Gebäude betreffen, sollten daher auf dem
> Gebäudeumring liegen, der auch ohne 3D-Mapping da wäre. Also auch die
> Adresse.

Ja, solche Relationen werten normalerweise nur 3D-Renderer aus. Die
Informationen, die auch andere Anwendungen brauchen, sind daher am
Umriss besser aufgehoben.

Als "belastbare Doku" würde ich "Simple 3D Buildings" heranziehen, den
Taggingstandard fürs 3D-Mapping: "Building attributes (e.g., address,
name, overall height, operator, etc.) must be tagged on the building
outline."¹

In diesem Beispiel ist die Relation übrigens auch für 3D eigentlich
nicht notwendig: Sämtliche Gebäudeteile liegen innerhalb des Umrisses
und es gibt keine Überlappungen/Mehrdeutigkeiten mit anderen Gebäuden.

Tobias

¹ https://wiki.osm.org/Simple_3D_buildings#Building_outlines

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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Per discussione Dave F via Talk-GB

This is the full list of name=Argos, shop=*

Catalogue by far the most popular, but I wondering if there any 
specialised Argos outlets selling just furniture or electrical?


catalogue,152
department_store,90
,60
yes,55
variety_store,39
general,21
supermarket,8
gift,5
convenience,4
houseware,4
catalog,2
catalogue_store,2
electronics,2
general_store,2
hifi,2
furniture,1
general_retailer,1
hardware,1
household,1
retailer,1
outpost,1

Cheers
DaveF

On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote:

I noticed recently that an Argos[1] counter has opened inside the large
Sainsbury's supermarket at Murrayfield, but I am not sure how best to tag
this.

I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in
multiple ways, but I am not skilled enough with Overpass to check how many
of each:

- shop=catalogue
- shop=department_store
- shop=general_retailer
- shop=general
- shop=supermarket
- shop=yes
- etc.


I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal Argos
store, but just wondering:
a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in another store
(given that this is pretty much all there is own the other shops,
b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and
c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?

[1] https://www.argos.co.uk

Thanks, Donald


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione osm . sanspourriel

Bonjour,

je ne comprends pas :

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/675841080

Je ne vois pas ça sur le terrain, tu as déjà

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/675841078

Qui vu le marquage au sol devrait être en sens unique (on semble pas 
pouvoir aller de la petite route de l'est vers le sud-est N102).


Pas de terre-plein mais une ligne continue avec une pointillé d'un seul 
côté.


J'ai ajouté ce qui devait manquer : les directions des files de 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/675841081


Je ne comprends pas qu'une primiry road parte et arrive à une secondary 
road car tout le flux arrivant / partant de la D56 ne peut être plus 
important : seule la N102 devrait être en primary.


(tu peux passer sur Talk-fr si tu veux répondre)

Jean-Yvon

Le 10/03/2019 à 16:49, Léo El Amri via Talk-fr - 
talk-fr@openstreetmap.org a écrit :

On 10/03/2019 14:11, marc marc wrote:

faudrait savoir la bonne façon de traverser le carrefour.
y-a-t-il une barrière entre les 2 sens de la N102 ?

Il n'y a aucune barrière on peut traverser la N102 dans les deux sens.


ou peux-t-on traverser en tournant à gauche sur la N102 puis en tournant
immédiatement à droite ?

On peut traverser tout droit, du coup.


l'état actuel d'osrm
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car=45.17775%2C3.51720%3B45.17857%2C3.51871

Je remarque l'instruction "À la bifurcation, tourner à gauche sur voie
sans nom", alors qu'il n'y a pourtant pas de liaison particulière entre
ces routes.

Est-il correct de se faire croiser des way pour simplifier la navigation
? Ou doit-on connecter des routes perpendiculaires entre elles ?


Le 10.03.19 à 14:05, Léo El Amri via Talk-fr a écrit :

Bonjour,

Il y a une jonction relativement complexe dans sa version actuelle sur
la N102 en Haute-Loire
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.17843/3.51830). Lorsque l'on
vient de la D56 et que l'on souhaite se diriger vers le nord-ouest, le
guide OsmAnd~ devient fou, et propose tous les 5 mètres de tourner à
gauche, puis de serrer à droite.

J'ai ce changement en attente
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/67987957), j'aimerais savoir si
c'est approprié.


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Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: Adressmapping auf Building-Relationen oder Outline

2019-03-10 Per discussione Tom Pfeifer

Die type=building-Relation ist ja eine Erweiterung für 3D-Mapping.

Eigenschaften, die das ganze Gebäude betreffen, sollten daher auf dem Gebäudeumring liegen, der auch 
ohne 3D-Mapping da wäre. Also auch die Adresse.


Dann sieht ein Datenkonsument, der sich nicht für 3D interessiert, diese 
Eigenschaften in jedem Fall.

tom

On 10.03.2019 17:14, Martin Scholtes wrote:

Hallo,

doku hab ich grade nicht zur Hand, aber so auf die schnelle ist das ok,
da es sich ja um EIN Gebäude handelt.

mfg

Am 10.03.2019 um 17:10 schrieb MonkZ:

Moin,

Ich habe eine Adresse auf hier auf die Outline einer type=building
Relation gepackt:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9376367

Bin mir aber nicht sicher, ob diese nicht eher auf die Relation selbst
gesetzt werden sollte oder nicht?
Wie ist eure Einschätzung? Gibt es da belastbare Doku?

MfG
MonkZ


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Re: [Talk-es] Importación centros de atención a mujeres y colectivo LGTBI

2019-03-10 Per discussione Lanxana .
Buenas tardes,

en efecto, la iniciativa además de celebrar el 8 de marzo, se engloba en
los actos de celebración del segundo aniversario de Geochicas. El año
pasado se lanzó el proyecto de "Las calles de las mujeres" y este año se
están mapeando los centros de atención a las mujeres.

Gracias por el script, he añadido un cuarto dataset que comparte objetivos,
espero que puedas ayudarme a depurarlo también ;-)

Aunque en principio eran pocos centros (el primer dataset sólo contenía 22
valores, todos repetidos, que se quedaron en 11), al proceder los datos de
fuentes oficiales y requerir ambas que se les de atribución al usarlos,
entiendo que se ha de tratar como importación.

El jueves mandé a la lista de imports la propuesta, estáis todos invitados
a revisarla:
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2019-March/005947.html


Saludos!

El mié., 6 mar. 2019 a las 10:48, Carlos Cámara via Talk-es (<
talk-es@openstreetmap.org>) escribió:

> Buenas, Lanxana
>
> La verdad es que me encanta la iniciativa que propones, y me parece muy
> pertinente por la proximidad al 8 de marzo (seguro que no es casual ;) ).
> Así que felicidades por ello.
>
> También me encanta lo bien estructurada que tienes la página de la wiki
> que mencionabas en tu mensaje. Para mi está impecable y muy clara.
>
> Lo que no tengo claro es qué quieres que hagamos (Vaya por delante que soy
> un novato en todo esto de las importaciones). Imagino por lo que se
> desprende en la wiki y en tu mensaje que lo que propones es añadir
> manualmente la información de los CSV de los distintos datasets y también
> hacer la "traducción" de claves y valores manualmente en función de lo que
> se especifica en las tablas de la wiki.
>
> Si es así, he hecho un prototipo de script con R para limpiar los datos
> automáticamente y ver si así os ahorráis trabajo. Puedes verlo aquí
> https://github.com/ccamara/osm-women-services-cleanup/
> 
> y el resultado del procesado del primer dataset aquí:
> https://github.com/ccamara/osm-women-services-cleanup/blob/master/output/J007_clean.csv
> Ya dirás si te sirve de algo o no. (en caso afirmativo puedo mejorarlo).
>
> Por otra parte, me pregunto si esto es técnicamente una importación, dado
> que salvo el procesado de las claves y valores, la subida de datos a OSM y
> la comprobación de si existen datos duplicados se realiza manualmente.
> Desde mi ignorancia, yo más bien lo consideraría una subida asistida, ideal
> para hacerse en un mapatón o similar.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Carlos Cámara
> http://carloscamara.es
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Monday 4 March de 2019 a les 6:56, Lanxana . 
> wrote:
>
> Buenos días,
>
> estoy preparando los datos de tres datasets con centros de atención a
> mujeres y al colectivo LGTBI. La idea inicial era hacer la importación el
> día 8 de marzo de 2019, aunque ya he visto que será imposible dándoles un
> tiempo de revisión razonable a imports.
>
> La propuesta está aquí:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_information_and_care_points_for_women_and_LGTBI_collectives_in_Catalunya
>
> Está definido de dónde salen los datos, licencia y el etiquetado que
> recibirán. Falta definir algún campo, como las observaciones que acompañan
> a algunos teléfonos de contacto. ¿Alguna sugerencia?
>
> Falta también el proceso de carga, como los datos los tengo en csv y
> tienen coordenadas, había pensado cargarlos tal cual a JOSM, añadirlos al
> List to Do e ir revisándolos uno a uno. Aún no he hecho la comprobación con
> overpass, para ver si hay alguno, en caso de que esté, fusionaría los nodos.
>
> Si os parece bien, paso el proceso a limpio, lo traduzco al inglés y mando
> la propuesta. O si alguno quiere hacerlo, bienvenida sea toda ayuda. Es la
> primera importación que preparo y me he basado en las que ha hecho Santiago
> Crespo con los datos del ayuntamiento de Madrid.
>
> Saludos!
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les contours de la Bretagne

2019-03-10 Per discussione Vincent de Château-Thierry

Bonjour,

Le 10/03/2019 à 17:49, Florimond Berthoux a écrit :

Bonjour,

Utiliser un point et non un polygone, à placer à peu près au centre de 
la région (en espérant qu'il n'y ai pas une guerre de religion du vrai 
centre :) ?
C'est ce qui est fait pour les quartiers de Paris, par exemple la Goutte 
D'or https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2142414234


Les quartiers de Paris ne sont pas un bon exemple ici, car contrairement 
aux régions vécues, dont chacun a sa propre limite (Marc_marc parle de 
subjectivité et c'est bien le problème de ces limites), les 80 quartiers 
de Paris ont une définition précise pour leurs limites, reprise par 80 
relations comme celle-ci :

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2195145#map=15/48.8927/2.3547

Pour revenir à la question initiale pas sûr que boundary=historic soit 
pratique pour répondre, ça signifierait que chaque zonage correspond à 
un ancien découpage administratif. Je verrais plutôt une valeur de 
boundary à définir ou à recycler. Je n'ai pas cherché à quoi 
correspondent les 161 relations boundary=traditional notamment.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BAN(O): accompagnement des communes

2019-03-10 Per discussione deuzeffe

On 09/03/2019 16:34, Christian Quest wrote:

Et si j'ai un extrait de la BAN-ODbL (pas folle) + un extrait OSM, je
peux alimenter la BAL (et pas BAN) et la publier en LO/OL ?


Non, de l'ODbL (OSM) ne peut pas passer en LO qui n'a pas de partage à 
l'identique.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les contours de la Bretagne

2019-03-10 Per discussione Florimond Berthoux
Bonjour,

Utiliser un point et non un polygone, à placer à peu près au centre de la
région (en espérant qu'il n'y ai pas une guerre de religion du vrai centre
:) ?
C'est ce qui est fait pour les quartiers de Paris, par exemple la Goutte
D'or https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2142414234

Le dim. 10 mars 2019 à 12:49, djakk djakk  a écrit :

> Salut !
>
> Moi j’aimerai bien tagger les “petits pays” dans osm ! La Bretagne
> historique, le Tregor, le Vercors. Ça n’est pas basé sur des limites
> administratives.
>
> Des idées ?
>
> Julien “djakk”
>
>
> Le sam. 9 mars 2019 à 15:34,  a écrit :
>
>> Merci Antoine
>> Le 09/03/2019 à 15:18, Rpnpif - rpn...@trob.eu a écrit :
>>
>> Les limites
>> historiques pourraient éventuellement être mises avec un tag historic ou
>> quelque chose comme ça.
>>
>> C'est dans ce sens que je proposais de créer une relation Bretagne a 5
>> départements avec un end_date : ça permet d'avoir la version historique de
>> la Bretagne sans entrer en compétition avec la région Bretagne qui ne
>> comporte que 4 des 5 départements ;-). Et en mettant des subareas plutôt
>> d'un tracé linéaire afin de ne créer qu'une relation à 5 membres et non
>> créer une autre relation difficilement maintenable. Après pour afficher il
>> suffit de tenir compte de la date de validité de la relation.
>>
>> Pas la Crimée ? Bah, il y en a bien qui veulent faire Paimbœuf traverser
>> la Loire ^^. Et ils n'ont pas forcément tort.
>>
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[Talk-it] R: Tasking manager non raggiungibile

2019-03-10 Per discussione canfe
Confermo irraggiungibile

 

Da: Sergio Manzi [mailto:s...@smz.it] 
Inviato: domenica 10 marzo 2019 13:28
A: talk-it@openstreetmap.org
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Tasking manager non raggiungibile

 

On 2019-03-10 13:14, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote:



Il 10/03/19 08:39, dan980 ha scritto:

Ciao, il tasking manger italiano (http://osmit-tm.wmflabs.org/) non risulta
più raggiungibile.
 
È un problema solo mio?

 
Confermo.

Sembra un problema di DNS (record A o CNAME per osmit-tm.wmflabs.org mancanti):

C:\Users\smz\Desktop>dig osmit-tm.wmflabs.org

; <<>> DiG 9.11.3 <<>> osmit-tm.wmflabs.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 39276
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1452
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;osmit-tm.wmflabs.org.  IN  A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
wmflabs.org.3600IN  SOA labs-ns1.wikimedia.org. 
root.wmflabs.org. 1552004907 3600 600 86400 3600

;; Query time: 119 msec
;; SERVER: 1.1.1.1#53(1.1.1.1)
;; WHEN: Sun Mar 10 13:22:13 W. Europe Standard Time 2019
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 117

Ciao,

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[Talk-de] Fwd: Adressmapping auf Building-Relationen oder Outline

2019-03-10 Per discussione Martin Scholtes
Hallo,

doku hab ich grade nicht zur Hand, aber so auf die schnelle ist das ok,
da es sich ja um EIN Gebäude handelt.

mfg

Am 10.03.2019 um 17:10 schrieb MonkZ:
> Moin,
>
> Ich habe eine Adresse auf hier auf die Outline einer type=building
> Relation gepackt:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9376367
>
> Bin mir aber nicht sicher, ob diese nicht eher auf die Relation selbst
> gesetzt werden sollte oder nicht?
> Wie ist eure Einschätzung? Gibt es da belastbare Doku?
>
> MfG
> MonkZ
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[Talk-de] Adressmapping auf Building-Relationen oder Outline

2019-03-10 Per discussione MonkZ
Moin,

Ich habe eine Adresse auf hier auf die Outline einer type=building
Relation gepackt:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9376367

Bin mir aber nicht sicher, ob diese nicht eher auf die Relation selbst
gesetzt werden sollte oder nicht?
Wie ist eure Einschätzung? Gibt es da belastbare Doku?

MfG
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione Thibaud Hulin via Talk-fr
Étant donné que la voie pour tourner à gauche n'est pas séparée 
physiquement, il vaudrait mieux utiliser turn:lanes 
 plutôt que d'utiliser des 
voies séparées, c'est beaucoup plus simple à gérer (et Osmand supporte 
ce schéma, donc autant en profiter).


KioskaJourno

Le 10/03/2019 à 16:49, Léo El Amri via Talk-fr a écrit :

On 10/03/2019 14:11, marc marc wrote:

faudrait savoir la bonne façon de traverser le carrefour.
y-a-t-il une barrière entre les 2 sens de la N102 ?

Il n'y a aucune barrière on peut traverser la N102 dans les deux sens.


ou peux-t-on traverser en tournant à gauche sur la N102 puis en tournant
immédiatement à droite ?

On peut traverser tout droit, du coup.


l'état actuel d'osrm
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car=45.17775%2C3.51720%3B45.17857%2C3.51871

Je remarque l'instruction "À la bifurcation, tourner à gauche sur voie
sans nom", alors qu'il n'y a pourtant pas de liaison particulière entre
ces routes.

Est-il correct de se faire croiser des way pour simplifier la navigation
? Ou doit-on connecter des routes perpendiculaires entre elles ?


Le 10.03.19 à 14:05, Léo El Amri via Talk-fr a écrit :

Bonjour,

Il y a une jonction relativement complexe dans sa version actuelle sur
la N102 en Haute-Loire
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.17843/3.51830). Lorsque l'on
vient de la D56 et que l'on souhaite se diriger vers le nord-ouest, le
guide OsmAnd~ devient fou, et propose tous les 5 mètres de tourner à
gauche, puis de serrer à droite.

J'ai ce changement en attente
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/67987957), j'aimerais savoir si
c'est approprié.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Per discussione Andy Townsend

On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote:


I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in 
multiple ways ...


Hi Donald,

Here's shop tag usage globally:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/shop#values

and in the UK:

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values

Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione Léo El Amri via Talk-fr
On 10/03/2019 14:11, marc marc wrote:
> faudrait savoir la bonne façon de traverser le carrefour.
> y-a-t-il une barrière entre les 2 sens de la N102 ?

Il n'y a aucune barrière on peut traverser la N102 dans les deux sens.

> ou peux-t-on traverser en tournant à gauche sur la N102 puis en tournant 
> immédiatement à droite ?

On peut traverser tout droit, du coup.

> l'état actuel d'osrm
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car=45.17775%2C3.51720%3B45.17857%2C3.51871

Je remarque l'instruction "À la bifurcation, tourner à gauche sur voie
sans nom", alors qu'il n'y a pourtant pas de liaison particulière entre
ces routes.

Est-il correct de se faire croiser des way pour simplifier la navigation
? Ou doit-on connecter des routes perpendiculaires entre elles ?

> Le 10.03.19 à 14:05, Léo El Amri via Talk-fr a écrit :
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Il y a une jonction relativement complexe dans sa version actuelle sur
>> la N102 en Haute-Loire
>> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.17843/3.51830). Lorsque l'on
>> vient de la D56 et que l'on souhaite se diriger vers le nord-ouest, le
>> guide OsmAnd~ devient fou, et propose tous les 5 mètres de tourner à
>> gauche, puis de serrer à droite.
>>
>> J'ai ce changement en attente
>> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/67987957), j'aimerais savoir si
>> c'est approprié.


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Re: [Talk-it] Tasking manager non raggiungibile

2019-03-10 Per discussione Sergio Manzi
On 2019-03-10 15:54, Cascafico Giovanni wrote:
> Ma non era tra i server spenti, assieme a quello degli estratti?

Ah, beh, di questo io non ne ho proprio idea, ma spiegherebbe parecchie cose... 
 :-)

Ciao,

Sergio


>
> Il dom 10 mar 2019, 13:28 Sergio Manzi mailto:s...@smz.it>> ha 
> scritto:
>
> On 2019-03-10 13:14, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote:
>> Il 10/03/19 08:39, dan980 ha scritto:
>>> Ciao, il tasking manger italiano (http://osmit-tm.wmflabs.org/) non 
>>> risulta
>>> più raggiungibile.
>>>
>>> È un problema solo mio?
>> Confermo.
>
> Sembra un problema di DNS (record A o CNAME per osmit-tm.wmflabs.org 
>  mancanti):
>
> C:\Users\smz\Desktop>dig osmit-tm.wmflabs.org 
> 
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.11.3 <<>> osmit-tm.wmflabs.org 
> 
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 39276
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
>
> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1452
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;osmit-tm.wmflabs.org .  IN  
> A
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> wmflabs.org .    3600    IN  SOA 
> labs-ns1.wikimedia.org . root.wmflabs.org 
> . 1552004907 3600 600 86400 3600
>
> ;; Query time: 119 msec
> ;; SERVER: 1.1.1.1#53(1.1.1.1)
> ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 10 13:22:13 W. Europe Standard Time 2019
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 117
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Per discussione Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 15:15 +, David Woolley wrote:
> On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote:
> 
> > I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal
> > Argos 
> > store, but just wondering:
> > a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in
> > another 
> > store (given that this is pretty much all there is own the other
> > shops,
> > b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and
> > c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?
> 
> Concessions aren't limited to Argos and have existed for decades, at 
> least, in department stores.  What has tended to happen recently is 
> their extending to other sorts of stores, e.g. Post Office in W H 
> Smith's, Timpsons in Morrison's, Costa in Tesco, or even Amazon
> lockers 
> in various places.
> 
> Shops that are pure shops of one type seem to be quite rare.  Even
> the 
> small independents near me normally don't fit into one
> category.  Small 
> shops often have concessions for courier services.   A lot of this
> is 
> about "foot fall", the theory being if people use one service they
> may 
> also use the the primary service of the shop.
> 
> I'm not sure if any more than a nested point or area is needed, but
> if 
> it is, one really needs to look at he whole concessions picture, and 
> possibly also better support of multi-valued shop tags in renderers.
> 
> What I haven't worked out yet is whether the Argos concession, in my 
> local supermarket, itself has an E-bay concession!
> 
> (Actually shops on railway stations are probably technically 
> concessions, as well.)

Amazon lockers, at supermarkets, in my experience tend to be outside
the actual shop so that they are accessible 24/7.

My local Morrisons has both Amazon and InPost under the canopy either
side of the main entrance.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Per discussione David Woolley

On 10/03/2019 14:58, Donald Noble wrote:

I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal Argos 
store, but just wondering:
a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in another 
store (given that this is pretty much all there is own the other shops,

b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and
c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?


Concessions aren't limited to Argos and have existed for decades, at 
least, in department stores.  What has tended to happen recently is 
their extending to other sorts of stores, e.g. Post Office in W H 
Smith's, Timpsons in Morrison's, Costa in Tesco, or even Amazon lockers 
in various places.


Shops that are pure shops of one type seem to be quite rare.  Even the 
small independents near me normally don't fit into one category.  Small 
shops often have concessions for courier services.   A lot of this is 
about "foot fall", the theory being if people use one service they may 
also use the the primary service of the shop.


I'm not sure if any more than a nested point or area is needed, but if 
it is, one really needs to look at he whole concessions picture, and 
possibly also better support of multi-valued shop tags in renderers.


What I haven't worked out yet is whether the Argos concession, in my 
local supermarket, itself has an E-bay concession!


(Actually shops on railway stations are probably technically 
concessions, as well.)



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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Per discussione Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 14:58 +, Donald Noble wrote:
> I noticed recently that an Argos[1] counter has opened inside the
> large Sainsbury's supermarket at Murrayfield, but I am not sure how
> best to tag this.
> I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in
> multiple ways, but I am not skilled enough with Overpass to check how
> many of each:
> shop=catalogueshop=department_storeshop=general_retailer
> shop=generalshop=supermarketshop=yesetc.
> 
> I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal
> Argos store, but just wondering: 
> a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in another
> store (given that this is pretty much all there is own the other
> shops,
> b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and 
> c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?
> 
> 
> [1] https://www.argos.co.uk 
> 

Hi Donald
I tend to go with shop=catalogue, it certainly doesn't fit my idea of a
department store (that is Harrods, Debenhams, Grace Brothers) and
it doesn't sell food.

When this or other things, such as post offices, are inside somewhere
else I map them as a node within the larger area. I do try to get them
in the roughly the right place.

HTH 

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[Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Per discussione Donald Noble
I noticed recently that an Argos[1] counter has opened inside the large
Sainsbury's supermarket at Murrayfield, but I am not sure how best to tag
this.

I had a quick look, and Argos stores in the UK seem to be tagged in
multiple ways, but I am not skilled enough with Overpass to check how many
of each:

   - shop=catalogue
   - shop=department_store
   - shop=general_retailer
   - shop=general
   - shop=supermarket
   - shop=yes
   - etc.


I suspect shop=catalogue is probably the best option for a normal Argos
store, but just wondering:
a) if anything special is needed when it is just a counter in another store
(given that this is pretty much all there is own the other shops,
b) if there is any consensus on how to tag these, and
c) if so, whether these should be standardised across the UK?

[1] https://www.argos.co.uk

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Re: [Talk-it] Tasking manager non raggiungibile

2019-03-10 Per discussione Cascafico Giovanni
Ma non era tra i server spenti, assieme a quello degli estratti?

Il dom 10 mar 2019, 13:28 Sergio Manzi  ha scritto:

> On 2019-03-10 13:14, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote:
>
> Il 10/03/19 08:39, dan980 ha scritto:
>
> Ciao, il tasking manger italiano (http://osmit-tm.wmflabs.org/) non risulta
> più raggiungibile.
>
> È un problema solo mio?
>
>
> Confermo.
>
> Sembra un problema di DNS (record A o CNAME per osmit-tm.wmflabs.org
> mancanti):
>
> C:\Users\smz\Desktop>dig osmit-tm.wmflabs.org
>
> ; <<>> DiG 9.11.3 <<>> osmit-tm.wmflabs.org
> ;; global options: +cmd
> ;; Got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 39276
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1
>
> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1452
> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;osmit-tm.wmflabs.org.  IN  A
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> wmflabs.org.3600IN  SOA labs-ns1.wikimedia.org.
> root.wmflabs.org. 1552004907 3600 600 86400 3600
>
> ;; Query time: 119 msec
> ;; SERVER: 1.1.1.1#53(1.1.1.1)
> ;; WHEN: Sun Mar 10 13:22:13 W. Europe Standard Time 2019
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 117
>
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[OSM-talk] General OSM Talk

2019-03-10 Per discussione Kate Chapman
Hi All,

I'm giving a general talk on OSM at LibrePlanet
 in a couple weeks.

It has been about a year since I've given one of these talks. Is there
anything new that you think is especially important or interesting I
should be sure to not miss?

(Also anything old that I should miss is also welcome)

Thanks!

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les contours de la Bretagne

2019-03-10 Per discussione OSMDoudou
Sinon, on peut cartographier des mondes fictifs sur OpenGeoFiction... :-)

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Re: [OSM-ja] 3/17 京都!街歩き!マッピングパーティ:第6回 善峯寺

2019-03-10 Per discussione yasunari yamashita
山下です。皆さんこんにちわ。

京都!街歩き!マッピングパーティ:第6回 善峯寺は
次の週末に開催です。

皆さまの参加をお待ちしています!!

2019年2月27日(水) 22:59 yasunari yamashita :
>
> 山下です。皆さんこんにちわ。
>
> 3月の京都!街歩き!マッピングパーティは、
> 京都西山にひっそりと、
> 平安中期に源算上人により開かれた善峯寺をターゲットに開催します
> https://openstreetmap-kyoto.connpass.com/event/120564
>
> 皆さまの参加をお待ちしています!
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Re: [Talk-it] Tasking manager non raggiungibile

2019-03-10 Per discussione Andrea Albani
Il dom 10 mar 2019, 08:40 dan980  ha scritto:

> Ciao, il tasking manger italiano (http://osmit-tm.wmflabs.org/) non
> risulta
> più raggiungibile.
>
> È un problema solo mio?
>

Il vecchio tm è in corso di migrazione alla release 3.
Ho scoperto che quello nuovo è qui [1], sembra funzionare, ma non so se la
migrazione è stata completata ed è già possibile utilizzarlo. Forse
Geofrizz puó dirci qualcosa in merito?


[1]  http://osmit-tm3.wmflabs.org 

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Re: [Diversity-talk] Import of information and care points in Catalunya, Spain

2019-03-10 Per discussione Simon Poole
While I'm not quite sure why these locations couldn't be surveyed
instead of being imported from a third party with completely unclear
quality, the more important question is, given the potentially sensitive
nature of the information, have the entities in question been asked if
they are OK with the integration in OSM (which from a visibility POV is
very different from being registered in an obscure government database)?

Simon

Am 09.03.2019 um 19:21 schrieb Rory McCann:
> Might be interesting to some here
>
> On 07.03.19 21:32, Lanxana . wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'd like to get feedback on my plan for import the information and
>> care points for women and LGTBI collectives in Catalunya, Spain. This
>> importation will be an act to celebrate 8M 2019 and the second
>> aniverary of GeoChicas.
>> The import had been discussed on talk-es list and you can see the
>> import plan here:
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_information_and_care_points_for_women_and_LGTBI_collectives_in_Catalunya
>>
>>
>> If there are no objections, the import would start from March 15.
>>
>> Thanks
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[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 450,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11685/

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les contours de la Bretagne

2019-03-10 Per discussione marc marc
alors je pense que ce serra comme pour l’Italie historique :
totalement subjectif donc guerre d'édition et utilité "négative"
hormis pour les étendues qui ont eu une limite administrative passé 
correspondante, ce qui se renseigne avec boundary=historic

Le 10.03.19 à 13:54, djakk djakk a écrit :
> Il n’y a de source valide que le cœur des habitants ... et les journaux 
> locaux aussi.
> 
> Julien “djakk”
> 
> 
> Le dim. 10 mars 2019 à 13:38, marc marc a écrit :
> 
> commencer par trouver une source valide ? :)
> il y boundary=historic pour les renseigner
> 
> Le 10.03.19 à 12:49, djakk djakk a écrit :
>  > Salut !
>  >
>  > Moi j’aimerai bien tagger les “petits pays” dans osm ! La Bretagne
>  > historique, le Tregor, le Vercors. Ça n’est pas basé sur des limites
>  > administratives.
>  >
>  > Des idées ?
>  >
>  > Julien “djakk”
>  >
>  >
>  > Le sam. 9 mars 2019 à 15:34,  
>  >  >> a écrit :
>  >
>  >     Merci Antoine
>  >
>  >     Le 09/03/2019 à 15:18, Rpnpif - rpn...@trob.eu
> 
>  >     > a écrit :
>  >>     Les limites
>  >>     historiques pourraient éventuellement être mises avec un tag
> historic ou
>  >>     quelque chose comme ça.
>  >
>  >     C'est dans ce sens que je proposais de créer une relation
> Bretagne a
>  >     5 départements avec un end_date : ça permet d'avoir la version
>  >     historique de la Bretagne sans entrer en compétition avec la
> région
>  >     Bretagne qui ne comporte que 4 des 5 départements ;-). Et en
> mettant
>  >     des subareas plutôt d'un tracé linéaire afin de ne créer qu'une
>  >     relation à 5 membres et non créer une autre relation
> difficilement
>  >     maintenable. Après pour afficher il suffit de tenir compte de la
>  >     date de validité de la relation.
>  >
>  >     Pas la Crimée ? Bah, il y en a bien qui veulent faire Paimbœuf
>  >     traverser la Loire ^^. Et ils n'ont pas forcément tort.
>  >
>  >     Jean-Yvon
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione marc marc
faudrait savoir la bonne façon de traverser le carrefour.
y-a-t-il une barrière entre les 2 sens de la N102 ?
ou peux-t-on traverser en tournant à gauche sur la N102 puis en tournant 
immédiatement à droite ?
l'état actuel d'osrm
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car=45.17775%2C3.51720%3B45.17857%2C3.51871

Le 10.03.19 à 14:05, Léo El Amri via Talk-fr a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> Il y a une jonction relativement complexe dans sa version actuelle sur
> la N102 en Haute-Loire
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.17843/3.51830). Lorsque l'on
> vient de la D56 et que l'on souhaite se diriger vers le nord-ouest, le
> guide OsmAnd~ devient fou, et propose tous les 5 mètres de tourner à
> gauche, puis de serrer à droite.
> 
> J'ai ce changement en attente
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/67987957), j'aimerais savoir si
> c'est approprié.
> 
> Cordialement,
> Léo
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[OSM-talk-fr] Modification d'une jonction de routes un peu complexe

2019-03-10 Per discussione Léo El Amri via Talk-fr
Bonjour,

Il y a une jonction relativement complexe dans sa version actuelle sur
la N102 en Haute-Loire
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.17843/3.51830). Lorsque l'on
vient de la D56 et que l'on souhaite se diriger vers le nord-ouest, le
guide OsmAnd~ devient fou, et propose tous les 5 mètres de tourner à
gauche, puis de serrer à droite.

J'ai ce changement en attente
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/67987957), j'aimerais savoir si
c'est approprié.

Cordialement,
Léo

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les contours de la Bretagne

2019-03-10 Per discussione djakk djakk
Il n’y a de source valide que le cœur des habitants ... et les journaux
locaux aussi.

Julien “djakk”


Le dim. 10 mars 2019 à 13:38, marc marc  a
écrit :

> commencer par trouver une source valide ? :)
> il y boundary=historic pour les renseigner
>
> Le 10.03.19 à 12:49, djakk djakk a écrit :
> > Salut !
> >
> > Moi j’aimerai bien tagger les “petits pays” dans osm ! La Bretagne
> > historique, le Tregor, le Vercors. Ça n’est pas basé sur des limites
> > administratives.
> >
> > Des idées ?
> >
> > Julien “djakk”
> >
> >
> > Le sam. 9 mars 2019 à 15:34,  > > a écrit :
> >
> > Merci Antoine
> >
> > Le 09/03/2019 à 15:18, Rpnpif - rpn...@trob.eu
> >  a écrit :
> >> Les limites
> >> historiques pourraient éventuellement être mises avec un tag
> historic ou
> >> quelque chose comme ça.
> >
> > C'est dans ce sens que je proposais de créer une relation Bretagne a
> > 5 départements avec un end_date : ça permet d'avoir la version
> > historique de la Bretagne sans entrer en compétition avec la région
> > Bretagne qui ne comporte que 4 des 5 départements ;-). Et en mettant
> > des subareas plutôt d'un tracé linéaire afin de ne créer qu'une
> > relation à 5 membres et non créer une autre relation difficilement
> > maintenable. Après pour afficher il suffit de tenir compte de la
> > date de validité de la relation.
> >
> > Pas la Crimée ? Bah, il y en a bien qui veulent faire Paimbœuf
> > traverser la Loire ^^. Et ils n'ont pas forcément tort.
> >
> > Jean-Yvon
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les contours de la Bretagne

2019-03-10 Per discussione marc marc
commencer par trouver une source valide ? :)
il y boundary=historic pour les renseigner

Le 10.03.19 à 12:49, djakk djakk a écrit :
> Salut !
> 
> Moi j’aimerai bien tagger les “petits pays” dans osm ! La Bretagne 
> historique, le Tregor, le Vercors. Ça n’est pas basé sur des limites 
> administratives.
> 
> Des idées ?
> 
> Julien “djakk”
> 
> 
> Le sam. 9 mars 2019 à 15:34,  > a écrit :
> 
> Merci Antoine
> 
> Le 09/03/2019 à 15:18, Rpnpif - rpn...@trob.eu
>  a écrit :
>> Les limites
>> historiques pourraient éventuellement être mises avec un tag historic ou
>> quelque chose comme ça.
> 
> C'est dans ce sens que je proposais de créer une relation Bretagne a
> 5 départements avec un end_date : ça permet d'avoir la version
> historique de la Bretagne sans entrer en compétition avec la région
> Bretagne qui ne comporte que 4 des 5 départements ;-). Et en mettant
> des subareas plutôt d'un tracé linéaire afin de ne créer qu'une
> relation à 5 membres et non créer une autre relation difficilement
> maintenable. Après pour afficher il suffit de tenir compte de la
> date de validité de la relation.
> 
> Pas la Crimée ? Bah, il y en a bien qui veulent faire Paimbœuf
> traverser la Loire ^^. Et ils n'ont pas forcément tort.
> 
> Jean-Yvon
> 
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Re: [Talk-it] Tasking manager non raggiungibile

2019-03-10 Per discussione Sergio Manzi
On 2019-03-10 13:14, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote:
> Il 10/03/19 08:39, dan980 ha scritto:
>> Ciao, il tasking manger italiano (http://osmit-tm.wmflabs.org/) non risulta
>> più raggiungibile.
>>
>> È un problema solo mio?
> Confermo.

Sembra un problema di DNS (record A o CNAME per osmit-tm.wmflabs.org mancanti):

C:\Users\smz\Desktop>dig osmit-tm.wmflabs.org

; <<>> DiG 9.11.3 <<>> osmit-tm.wmflabs.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 39276
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1452
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;osmit-tm.wmflabs.org.  IN  A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
wmflabs.org.    3600    IN  SOA labs-ns1.wikimedia.org. 
root.wmflabs.org. 1552004907 3600 600 86400 3600

;; Query time: 119 msec
;; SERVER: 1.1.1.1#53(1.1.1.1)
;; WHEN: Sun Mar 10 13:22:13 W. Europe Standard Time 2019
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 117

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] Tasking manager non raggiungibile

2019-03-10 Per discussione liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu
Il 10/03/19 08:39, dan980 ha scritto:
> Ciao, il tasking manger italiano (http://osmit-tm.wmflabs.org/) non risulta
> più raggiungibile.
> 
> È un problema solo mio?
> 

Confermo.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Les contours de la Bretagne

2019-03-10 Per discussione djakk djakk
Salut !

Moi j’aimerai bien tagger les “petits pays” dans osm ! La Bretagne
historique, le Tregor, le Vercors. Ça n’est pas basé sur des limites
administratives.

Des idées ?

Julien “djakk”


Le sam. 9 mars 2019 à 15:34,  a écrit :

> Merci Antoine
> Le 09/03/2019 à 15:18, Rpnpif - rpn...@trob.eu a écrit :
>
> Les limites
> historiques pourraient éventuellement être mises avec un tag historic ou
> quelque chose comme ça.
>
> C'est dans ce sens que je proposais de créer une relation Bretagne a 5
> départements avec un end_date : ça permet d'avoir la version historique de
> la Bretagne sans entrer en compétition avec la région Bretagne qui ne
> comporte que 4 des 5 départements ;-). Et en mettant des subareas plutôt
> d'un tracé linéaire afin de ne créer qu'une relation à 5 membres et non
> créer une autre relation difficilement maintenable. Après pour afficher il
> suffit de tenir compte de la date de validité de la relation.
>
> Pas la Crimée ? Bah, il y en a bien qui veulent faire Paimbœuf traverser
> la Loire ^^. Et ils n'ont pas forcément tort.
>
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[Talk-ko] weeklyOSM #450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione weeklyteam
매주 일어나는 OSM 소식을 종합한, 450번째 주간OSM이 발행되었습니다.

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/ko/archives/11685/

읽어 주셔서 감사합니다!

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[Talk-br] semanárioOSM Nº 450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione theweekly . osm
Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 450, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português*: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/11685/

Aproveite!

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[Talk-pt] semanárioOSM Nº 450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione theweekly . osm
Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 450, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português*: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/11685/

Aproveite!

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[Talk-es] ¿Qué añadiríais a Deriviste_ES? y debate sobre zonas de aparcamiento

2019-03-10 Per discussione yo paseopor
¡Buenas!

Os quiero presentar una nueva herramienta llamada Deriviste traffic
signs.[1]
Esta herramienta está basada en Deriviste, la aplicación web que permite
añadir a OSM de forma muy fácil nuevos nodos basados en las imágenes de
Mapillary.[2]
Pero como os podeis imaginar yo le he dado una vuelta de tuerca más.
Gracias a un debate que tuve con Jorge Sanz me interesé más por la
herramienta y vi sus reales posibilidades de personalización (él me hizo
ver que tenía más de las que yo creía en un inicio, gracias Jorge ^_^).
Haciendo un fork y desde el mismo github [3] he podido configurarlo de tal
manera que ahora el preset apunta hacia los códigos de las señales y sus
propiedades. Y funciona bastante bien, aunque Deriviste es una herramienta
que obliga después a repasar el trabajo hecho con otro editor para acabar
de colocar correctamente los puntos.
Este mensaje, aparte de presentación tiene como meta recabar por vuestra
parte qué otros nodos añadiríais desde las imágenes de Mapillary
(papeleras, farolas,...) y qué etiquetas para poderlo añadir y así ser
realmente una herramienta completa y útil para la comunidad más allá de las
señales de tráfico.

[1] https://yopaseopor.github.io/deriviste/es/index.html
[2] https://osm.cycle.travel/deriviste/
[3] https://github.com/yopaseopor/deriviste/tree/master/es

Salut i Deriviste
yopaseopor

PD: Aprovecho este mensaje para contaros que el debate que se ha hecho en
tagging sobre micromapeado de plazas de parking en la calle ha dado como
resultado "sorprendente" que se puede usar la etiqueta amenity=parking,
amenity=motorcycle_parking y amenity=bicycle_parking como etiqueta que
acompañe a las propiedades de siempre.
Algunos no estamos de acuerdo y hay gente de otros países que disponen de
información administrativa masiva sobre estos datos para añadirla a OSM en
el momento que haya un esquema de etiquetado propio y consistente. Esto
también va relacionado con el tema de añadir a una relación común todos los
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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione theweekly . osm
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 450 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/11685/

Bonne lecture !

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[Talk-ca] hebdoOSM Nº 450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione theweekly . osm
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 450 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/11685/

Bonne lecture !

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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 450,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11685/

Enjoy!

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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 450,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11685/

Enjoy!

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[Talk-in] weeklyOSM #450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 450,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11685/

Enjoy!

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[OSM-talk-ie] weeklyOSM #450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 450,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 450,
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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 450,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
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http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11685/

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[Talk-es] semanarioOSM Nº 450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione theweekly . osm
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[Talk-cu] semanarioOSM Nº 450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione theweekly . osm
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[OSM-co] semanarioOSM Nº 450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione theweekly . osm
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[Talk-cl] semanarioOSM Nº 450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione theweekly . osm
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[talk-latam] semanarioOSM Nº 450 2019-02-26-2019-03-04

2019-03-10 Per discussione theweekly . osm
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Re: [OSRM-talk] integer overflow with weight

2019-03-10 Per discussione michael spreng
On 27/02/2019 20:34, michael spreng wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I currently have OSRM often stopping on the assert:
> BOOST_ASSERT(to_weight >= weight);
> in relaxOutgoingEdges in routing_base_mld.hpp
> 
> looking into it with a debugger shows to_weight = -1958185565 and weight
> = 1418390085 which means that shortcut_weight was probably 918391646
> which lead to an overflow.
> 
> I use forward/backward_rate from 0 up to 1.2 so I thought that should
> not be excessive? What could be the problem?
> 
> What could be a workaround for this overflow? ++destination; continue;?
> 
> A stack trace is below this message.
> 
> Michael
> 

Hi

I could solve this by multiplying forward/backward_rate by 10. A bit
counter intuitive, the lower the rate, the bigger the weight of a route.
And that weight just overflowed. So It seems better to centre the _rate
around 10 than around 1, and never go below a rate of 1 maybe.

Hope that helps
Michael

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