[OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap France : Convocation à l’Assemblée Générale Ordinaire 2023

[Donat ROBAUX]

Bonjour à toutes et tous, adhérents, adhérentes, sympathisantes,
sympathisants,

L’Assemblée générale annuelle de l’association OpenStreetMap France aura
lieu le

samedi 29 juin 2024 à 17h00

Université de Lyon, Campus Manufacture des Tabacs, Auditorium Malraux, 16
rue Rollet, Lyon 8e

Association à laquelle vous pouvez apporter votre soutien de beaucoup de
façons, dont l’une est de voter à son assemblée générale. Pour ce faire il
faut être adhérent et à jour de sa cotisation le jour de l’AG (pensez à
anticiper selon votre moyen de paiement et les délais que cela peut
occasionner) : Adhésion à OpenStreetMap France


Pour rappel, il n’est pas nécessaire d’être adhérent à l’association pour
bénéficier de ses outils, actions et soutiens. L’association permet de
mutualiser des serveurs, des moyens financiers pour des événements, des
besoins pour les groupes locaux, d’être un relais auprès de la Fondation
OpenStreetMap et des institutions et autres organismes en général. C’est
ainsi que plus il y a de votants à l’AG (plus d’adhérents donc) plus sa
voix a du poids [image: :slight_smile:]

Plus de détails ci-dessous, si cela vous intéresse !

Ordre du jour prévisionnel de l’AG

   - Présentation des divers rapports (moral, d’activités, financier),
  - pour alimenter le rapport d’activités collaboratif, c’est par
ici Rapport
  d’activités 2023-2024 collaboratif
  

   - Présentation des candidats au Conseil d’administration
  - La liste des candidats sera disponible ici: France/OSM-FR/AGO
  2024-06-29 - OpenStreetMap Wiki
  

   - Débats et discussions
  - Vous pouvez proposer des motions à voter à l’AG et des sujets de
  discussions divers. Cela doit être envoyé sur la liste de diffusion de
  l’association : *association arobase listes.openstreetmap.fr
  * avant le 14 juin minuit afin de
  pouvoir préparer l’ordre du jour conformément à nos statuts. L’ordre du
  jour définitif sera communiqué après le 15 juin.

Voter

Pour permettre à cette AG d’être un temps de discussion, les divers votes
se feront en ligne à l’issue de l’AG, sur une période d’une semaine, via le
prestataire OpaVote (utilisé également par la fondation OSM).

La vidéo de l’AG sera disponible sur peertube.openstreetmap.fr pour celles
et ceux qui ne pourraient pas être présents à Lyon. L’AG sera a priori
diffusée en direct (sous réserve de problème technique de dernière minute).

Pour prendre part aux votes, il faut être à jour de sa cotisation
(c’est-à-dire avoir cotisé depuis la dernière assemblée générale de juin
2023): cela se passe ici : Adhésion à OpenStreetMap France

.

Étant donné le vote en ligne sur une semaine, il n’est pas organisé de vote
par procuration.

Candidature au Conseil d’administration

Vous pouvez vous porter candidat pour le Conseil d’Administration: nous
attachons de l’importance à ce que de nouvelles personnes puissent nous
rejoindre chaque année afin d’impliquer plus nos adhérents et de faire
tourner les responsabilités.

Votre candidature devra nous parvenir avant le 14 juin minuit sur *association
arobase listes.openstreetmap.fr *

Bien à vous tou·te·s

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[OSM-talk] Upcoming OpenStreetMap Maintenance - 26 April 2024

[Grant Slater]

Hi OpenStreetMap,

The OpenStreetMap.org website, API and some related services will be 
unavailable for short periods between 03:00 CEST (GMT/UTC+2) and 07:00 CEST on 
Friday 26th April 2024 due to scheduled network maintenance.

Our ISP only recently notified us of the upcoming maintenance.

Announcement:
https://twitter.com/OSM_Tech/status/1781571775165280693
https://en.osm.town/@osm_tech/112302149576978841

Follow us for updates.

Kind regards,

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Part of OpenStreetMap Operations Team

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[Talk-bd]  OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Election 2024 Election Dates Rescheduled⏳ ️

[OSM Bangladesh EC]

Election Dates Rescheduled⏳

 OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Election 2024 ️

Dear Voting Members of OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Community,

We have rescheduled the election dates. We would like to inform you of the
important dates in this mail. And the candidates names and symbols will
inform you soon.


 Important Dates:
Manifesto Presentation & Q/A Session: 3 Feb, 2024
Election Day: February 10, 2024️
Results Announcement: February 10, 2024

 Election Process Overview:
The election platform will be introduce with you soon.


Engage in community meetings and campaign where voting members discuss and
deliberate on candidates' contributions, visions, and goals. (Manifesto
Presentation & Q/A Session: 3 Feb, 2024)

Cast your votes on the specified date to elect the representatives who will
shape the future of OpenStreetMap Bangladesh.

 The Election Process:
Visit here to know more about the election process-
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1c8yiPrm8gTEZUWW2SB3aqMK3dfuwO_wj?usp=sharing

Share your vision for OpenStreetMap Bangladesh.


Dear eligible voting members, please check your email to know in details.

If you have any queries, reach the Chair of EC
azizulalamto...@gmail.com (Email)

Best regards,
OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Election Commission ️
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[Talk-bd]  OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Election 2024 Election Dates Rescheduled⏳ ️

[OSM Bangladesh EC]

Election Dates Rescheduled⏳

 OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Election 2024 ️

Dear Voting Members of OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Community,

We have rescheduled the election dates. We would like to inform you of the
important dates in this mail. And the candidates names and symbols will
inform you soon.


 Important Dates:
Manifesto Presentation & Q/A Session: 3 Feb, 2024
Election Day: February 10, 2024️
Results Announcement: February 10, 2024

 Election Process Overview:
The election platform will be introduce with you soon.


Engage in community meetings and campaign where voting members discuss and
deliberate on candidates' contributions, visions, and goals. (Manifesto
Presentation & Q/A Session: 3 Feb, 2024)

Cast your votes on the specified date to elect the representatives who will
shape the future of OpenStreetMap Bangladesh.

 The Election Process:
Visit here to know more about the election process-
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1c8yiPrm8gTEZUWW2SB3aqMK3dfuwO_wj?usp=sharing

Share your vision for OpenStreetMap Bangladesh.


Dear eligible voting members, please check your email to know in details.

If you have any queries, reach the Chair of EC
azizulalamto...@gmail.com (Email)

Best regards,
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[Talk-bd] OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Election 2024 Announcement! ️

[MD. Aminul Islam]

Dear OSMBD Voting Members,

We are thrilled to share the exciting news about the upcoming OSM
Bangladesh Election 2024! Since the formalization of our official structure
in February 2023, we've witnessed incredible growth and collaboration
within our community.

* Important Dates:*
Nomination Submission Period: Jan 05-12, 2024
Nomination Verification: January13-14, 2024
Nomination Announcement: January 15, 2024
Nomination Withdraw Final Date: January 17, 2024
Candidate Campaign: January 18-25, 2024
Manifesto Presentation and Q Session: January 20, 2024
Election Day: January 26, 2024
Results Announcement: January 26, 2024

* Election Process Overview:*
The nomination period is now open! We invite dedicated individuals and
passionate voting members about contributing to the OpenStreetMap
Bangladesh community to submit their nominations.

Engage in community meetings and campaigns where voting members discuss and
deliberate on candidates' contributions, visions, and goals.

Cast your votes on the specified date to elect the representatives who will
shape the future of OpenStreetMap Bangladesh.

Here is the Election *RULES & REGULATIONS*

Eligible voter information at *HERE *


* How to Nominate:*
Fill out the nomination form with your details.
Share your vision for OpenStreetMap Bangladesh.

Submit your nomination through *NOMINATION SUBMIT FORM
*

*欄 Get Involved:*
Participate actively in the upcoming election process to help shape the
future of our community. Your involvement is crucial in building a
stronger, more vibrant OpenStreetMap Bangladesh.

Let's make this election a testament to the collaborative spirit and
dedication within our community. Together, we can continue to map a better
future for OpenStreetMap Bangladesh.

If you have any queries, reach the *Chair of EC*
+8801713120157 (Whats app text only)
azizulalamto...@gmail.com (Email)


Best regards,
OpenStreetMap Bangladesh Election Commission

 ELECTION SCHEDULE-2.pdf


 OSMBD Monthly Meeting Dashboard

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[OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap France : Convocation à l'Assemblée Générale Ordinaire 2022

[Donat ROBAUX]

Bonjour à toutes et tous, adhérents, adhérentes, sympathisantes,
sympathisants,

Pour cette année nous avons voulu tester un autre mode d'organisation de
l'Assemblée générale de l'association en 2 temps :

   -

   Pendant le SotM, le samedi 10 juin à 17h30, une AG informelle dans
   laquelle nous présenterons les rapports moral et financiers et laisserons
   comme les autres années du temps de discussion.
   -

   Le vendredi 30 juin à 21 h, une AG statutaire qui permettra d’entériner
   les votes et les élu-es au conseil d’administration.

Cette organisation va permettre de profiter de l’AG informelle pour
susciter des candidatures au CA et recueillir les motions diverses qui
seront clôturées le 15 juin à minuit. Les divers votes se feront en ligne à
partir du 16 juin jusqu’au *29* juin.

Cette rencontre de l’association OpenStreetMap France aura lieu le

samedi 10 juin 2023 à 17h30

Université de Marseille, Campus Luminy, Bâtiment Staps, Amphi

Association à laquelle vous pouvez apporter votre soutien de beaucoup de
façons, dont l’une est de voter à son assemblée générale. Pour ce faire il
faut être adhérent et à jour de sa cotisation le jour de l’AG (pensez à
anticiper selon votre moyen de paiement et les délais que cela peut
occasionner) : Adhésion à OpenStreetMap France


Pour rappel, il n’est pas nécessaire d’être adhérent à l’association pour
bénéficier de ses outils, actions et soutiens. L’association permet de
mutualiser des serveurs, des moyens financiers pour des événements, des
besoins pour les groupes locaux, d’être un relais auprès de la Fondation
OpenStreetMap et des institutions et autres organismes en général. C’est
ainsi que plus il y a de votants à l’AG (plus d’adhérents donc) plus sa
voix à du poids [image: :slight_smile:]

Plus de détails ci-dessous, si cela vous intéresse !

Ordre du jour prévisionnel

   - Présentation des divers rapports (moral, d’activités, financier),
  - pour alimenter le rapport d’activités collaboratif, c’est par
ici Rapport
  d’activités 2022-2023 collaboratif
  
   - Présentation des candidats au Conseil d’administration
  - La liste des candidats sera disponible ici: France/OSM-FR/AGO
  2022-06-30 - OpenStreetMap Wiki
  
   - Débats et discussions
  - Vous pouvez proposer des motions à voter à l’AG et des sujets de
  discussions divers. Cela doit être envoyé sur la liste de diffusion de
  l’association : *association arobase listes.openstreetmap.fr
  * avant le 15 juin minuit afin de
  pouvoir préparer l’ordre du jour conformément à nos statuts.

Voter

Pour permettre à cette réunion d’être un temps de discussion, les divers
votes se feront en ligne à partir du 16 mai, sur une période de 2 semaines
via le prestataire OpaVote (utilisé également par la fondation OSM).

La vidéo de la réunion sera disponible sur peertube.openstreetmap.fr pour
celles et ceux qui ne pourraient pas être présents à Marseille. Elle sera
diffusée en direct, sauf problème technique.

Pour prendre part aux votes, il faut être à jour de sa cotisation
(c’est-à-dire avoir cotisé depuis la dernière assemblée générale de juin
2022): cela se passe ici : Adhésion à OpenStreetMap France

.

Étant donné le vote en ligne sur plus d’une semaine, il n’est pas organisé
de vote par procuration.

Candidature au Conseil d’administration

Vous pouvez vous porter candidat pour le Conseil d’Administration: nous
attachons de l’importance à ce que de nouvelles personnes puissent nous
rejoindre chaque année afin d’impliquer plus nos adhérents et de faire
tourner les responsabilités.

Votre candidature devra nous parvenir avant le 15 juin minuit sur *association
arobase listes.openstreetmap.fr *
--

L’Assemblée générale proprement dite aura lieu le vendredi 30 mai 2023 à
21h sur la salle visioconférence BBB
qui sert également aux
conseils d’administrations mensuels, pour entériner les votes et les élu-es
au conseil d’administration.

Bien à vous tou·te·s

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[Talk-bd] [OpenStreetMap Community] OSMBD Community Town Hall Meeting

[Fazle Rabbi]

FYI, We are having OSMBD Community Town Hall Meeting.

more details here:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/osmbd-community-town-hall-meeting/9371

Fazle Rabbi

OSMBD
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[OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap France : Convocation à l'Assemblée Générale Ordinaire 2021

[Donat ROBAUX]

Bonjour à toutes et tous, adhérents, adhérentes, sympathisantes,
sympathisants,

L'Assemblée générale annuelle de l'association OpenStreetMap France aura
lieu le

*samedi 11 juin 2022 à 17h30*

*Université de Nantes, Campus Tertre, Bâtiment Censive, Amphi 3*

Association à laquelle vous pouvez apporter votre soutien de beaucoup de
façons, dont l'une est de voter à son assemblée générale. Pour ce faire il
faut être adhérent et à jour de sa cotisation le jour de l'AG (pensez à
anticiper selon votre moyen de paiement et les délais que cela peut
occasionner) :  Adhésion à OpenStreetMap France


Pour rappel, il n'est pas nécessaire d'être adhérent à l'association pour
bénéficier de ses outils, actions et soutiens. L'association permet de
mutualiser des serveurs, des moyens financiers pour des événements, des
besoins pour les groupes locaux, d'être un relais auprès de la Fondation
OpenStreetMap et des institutions et autres organismes en général. C'est
ainsi que plus il y a de votants à l'AG (plus d'adhérents donc) plus sa
voix à du poids :-)

Plus de détails ci-dessous, si cela vous intéresse !

*Ordre du jour prévisionnel de l'AG*


   - Présentation des divers rapports (moral, d'activités, financier),
  - pour alimenter le rapport d'activités collaboratif, c'est par
ici Rapport
  d'activités 2021-2022 collaboratif
  

   - Fixation des cotisations
   - Ratification de la modification du siège social de l'association
   - Présentation des candidats au Conseil d'administration
  - La liste des candidats sera disponible ici:
  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/France/OSM-FR/AGO_2022-06-11#Candidatures_au_Conseil_d'administration
   - Débats et discussions
  - Vous pouvez proposer des motions à voter à l'AG et des sujets de
  discussions divers. Cela doit être envoyé sur la liste de diffusion de
  l'association : *association arobase listes.openstreetmap.fr
  * *avant le 27 mai minuit* afin de
  pouvoir préparer l'ordre du jour conformément à nos statuts. L'ordre
  du jour définitif sera communiqué après le 27 mai.

*Voter*

Pour permettre à cette AG d'être un temps de discussion, les divers votes
se feront en ligne *à l'issue* de l'AG, sur une période d'une semaine, via
le prestataire OpaVote (utilisé également par la fondation OSM).

La vidéo de l'AG sera disponible sur peertube.openstreetmap.fr pour celles
et ceux qui ne pourraient pas être présents à Nantes. Nous ne savons pas
encore si nous pourrons la diffuser en direct.

Pour prendre part aux votes, il faut être à jour de sa cotisation
(c'est-à-dire avoir cotisé depuis la dernière assemblée générale de juin
2021): cela se passe ici : Adhésion à OpenStreetMap France

.

Étant donné le vote en ligne sur une semaine, il n'est pas organisé de vote
par procuration.

*Candidature au Conseil d'administration*

Vous pouvez vous porter candidat pour le Conseil d'Administration: nous
attachons de l'importance à ce que de nouvelles personnes puissent nous
rejoindre chaque année afin d'impliquer plus nos adhérents et de faire
tourner les responsabilités.

Votre candidature devra nous parvenir *avant le 27 mai minuit* sur *association
arobase listes.openstreetmap.fr *

Bien à vous tou·te·s

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Warin]

On 13/2/22 14:18, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote:

There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any loaded 
objects with many of his changesets.

I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that,



When I make a change I delete the source tag when I'm using a different 
source.


The new source can be seen on the changeset. The past source/s can be 
seen using the history.



If there are no changes then there should be no change to any of the 
existing tags - source or otherwise.



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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[forster]

Thanks Phil, speaking for myself, I am very happy for you to take the  
lead. The reason I suggest writing aaronsta a letter is that the DWG  
would prefer us to exhaust all avenues of engagement before calling  
them in.


I don't think we (the OSM community) have been particularly good at  
telling him how he has been going.


We tell him that he is a "Great Mapper (Regularly Active)"
And that he is #14 in Australia.  Hdyc

Any criticism he ignores as a few disgruntled people, he gets no  
feedback from the community as a whole.


I have contacted Pascal Neis about hdyc. I think he rejigged hdyc a  
few months ago to an emphasis on quality not quantity,  maybe it could  
go further.


Tony

I am happy to send an email to DWG with an overview of concerns.   
Maybe other folks can gather a listing of any desired changesets for  
 reversion and if all or just some wiki edits should be reverted.


-Original Message-
From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au 
Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 2:19 PM
To: 'OSM-Au' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging   
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta


There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any   
loaded objects with many of his changesets.


I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that,   
to which he has simply not replied. (My changeset comments about   
that and the PBN have been made at the same time, he replied to the   
later, not the former).


This is exactly the behaviour that earned him a block and a mass   
revert of scores of changesets 5 years ago. (See my link to the   
talk-au archive with posts about that earlier in this discussion).


-Original Message-
From: fors...@ozonline.com.au 
Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 10:37
To: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Cc: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging   
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta


Graeme

Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The   
same 2 issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to   
community expectations and changes of such scale should be made   
after consultation. I believe he is acting in good faith but his   
balance between contribution and consultation is badly out.


The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for   
consultation without alienating him.


Tony

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson  wrote:



The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that
aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone
know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead...



Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but
the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes
to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines!

I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that
cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong!

 Thanks

Graeme

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 14:08, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> I am happy to send an email to DWG with an overview of concerns.


I'd hoped somebody may have read this thread by now?


> Maybe other folks can gather a listing of any desired changesets for
> reversion and if all or just some wiki edits should be reverted.
>

Personally, I think the entire wiki change should be reverted until it's
discussed point by point / state by state. & I'd also think that he
probably deserves another holiday for doing this sort of thing yet again :-(

 Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Phil Wyatt]

I am happy to send an email to DWG with an overview of concerns. Maybe other 
folks can gather a listing of any desired changesets for reversion and if all 
or just some wiki edits should be reverted.

-Original Message-
From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au  
Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 2:19 PM
To: 'OSM-Au' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any loaded 
objects with many of his changesets.

I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that, to which he 
has simply not replied. (My changeset comments about that and the PBN have been 
made at the same time, he replied to the later, not the former).

This is exactly the behaviour that earned him a block and a mass revert of 
scores of changesets 5 years ago. (See my link to the talk-au archive with 
posts about that earlier in this discussion).

-Original Message-
From: fors...@ozonline.com.au 
Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 10:37
To: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Cc: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

Graeme

Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The same 2 
issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to community 
expectations and changes of such scale should be made after consultation. I 
believe he is acting in good faith but his balance between contribution and 
consultation is badly out.

The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for 
consultation without alienating him.

Tony
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson  wrote:
>
>>
>> The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that 
>> aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone 
>> know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead...
>>
>
> Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but 
> the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes 
> to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines!
>
> I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that 
> cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong!
>
>  Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[forster]

Hi

I'm riding my bike in country Vic  and can't do it but
Can someone please write him a polite letter outlining our concerns  
and requesting that he agree to a revert and undertake to provide  
adequate changeset descriptions and to reply to comments and consult  
before large edits.


If we do not get a response then an option would be to refer to the DWG

Tony

There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any   
loaded objects with many of his changesets.


I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that,   
to which he has simply not replied. (My changeset comments about   
that and the PBN have been made at the same time, he replied to the   
later, not the former).


This is exactly the behaviour that earned him a block and a mass   
revert of scores of changesets 5 years ago. (See my link to the   
talk-au archive with posts about that earlier in this discussion).


-Original Message-
From: fors...@ozonline.com.au 
Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 10:37
To: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Cc: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging   
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta


Graeme

Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The   
same 2 issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to   
community expectations and changes of such scale should be made   
after consultation. I believe he is acting in good faith but his   
balance between contribution and consultation is badly out.


The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for   
consultation without alienating him.


Tony

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson  wrote:



The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that
aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone
know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead...



Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but
the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes
to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines!

I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that
cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong!

 Thanks

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[osm.talk-au]

There is also that he seems to be deleting all source tags on any loaded 
objects with many of his changesets.

I wrote a changeset comment on one of the changesets that do that, to which he 
has simply not replied. (My changeset comments about that and the PBN have been 
made at the same time, he replied to the later, not the former).

This is exactly the behaviour that earned him a block and a mass revert of 
scores of changesets 5 years ago. (See my link to the talk-au archive with 
posts about that earlier in this discussion).

-Original Message-
From: fors...@ozonline.com.au  
Sent: Sunday, 13 February 2022 10:37
To: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Cc: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

Graeme

Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The same 2 
issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to community 
expectations and changes of such scale should be made after consultation. I 
believe he is acting in good faith but his balance between contribution and 
consultation is badly out.

The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for 
consultation without alienating him.

Tony
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson  wrote:
>
>>
>> The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that 
>> aaronsta is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone 
>> know? I might leave a comment on the changeset instead...
>>
>
> Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but 
> the whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes 
> to how bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines!
>
> I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that 
> cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong!
>
>  Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
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[forster]

Graeme

Yes, he has made big changes to the documentation and the map. The  
same 2 issues apply to both, some of the changes are contrary to  
community expectations and changes of such scale should be made after  
consultation. I believe he is acting in good faith but his balance  
between contribution and consultation is badly out.


The issue for us is to explain to him what the expectations are for  
consultation without alienating him.


Tony

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson  wrote:



The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta
is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone know? I might
leave a comment on the changeset instead...



Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but the
whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes to how
bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines!

I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that
cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong!

 Thanks

Graeme

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[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson  wrote:

>
> The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta
> is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone know? I might
> leave a comment on the changeset instead...
>

Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike routes :-), but the
whole conversation started because Aaronsta made massive changes to how
bikeways etc are written up on the Guidelines!

I don't know about anywhere else, but he has changed them to say that
cycling on footpaths is illegal in Qld, which is totally wrong!

 Thanks

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[Sam Wilson]

I think it depends on when you last updated OsmAnd! It sounds like 
perhaps you're not seeing the routes that have been deleted, because 
they're for the most part not the river or freeway ones, but rather a 
somewhat regularly-spaced network throughout the suburbs.


The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta 
is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone know? I might 
leave a comment on the changeset instead...



On 13/2/22 03:31, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:

Hi

I am looking at the map as if a cyclist visitor to Perth. I am using 
Osmand with the bike routes highlighted feature turned on. I presume 
the highlighted routes are the same ones that are being talked about. 
I can't be sure. The highlights look useful and I would use them. They 
pick out the paths on either side of the river and the ramps onto 
bridges. Routes that I would naturally gravitate towards. I can easily 
turn off the highlights. I definitely want these routes, assuming the 
highlights are the same thing as being discussed  here.


Tony


I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what
others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're
signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not
particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now
(since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my
intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are
some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that
there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there
was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually
that's not really the case.

—Sam


On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000
From: 
To: 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"

Well, he has answered a changeset comment:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873

I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to 
simply

delete

a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the

ground,

and what to do about it.

I am from Perth, and am a cyclist.  I agree with aaronsta that these 
routes
are pretty useless.  I have often looked at the signage and wondered 
about
OSM & the usefulness of the routes.  I might not have gone to the 
extent of

deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are
pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them)

Ian


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[forster]

Sorry,
The 2 examples I mentioned, river side and on ramps were not deleted.
Tony


Hi

I am looking at the map as if a cyclist visitor to Perth. I am using
Osmand with the bike routes highlighted feature turned on. I presume
the highlighted routes are the same ones that are being talked about. I
can't be sure. The highlights look useful and I would use them. They
pick out the paths on either side of the river and the ramps onto
bridges. Routes that I would naturally gravitate towards. I can easily
turn off the highlights. I definitely want these routes, assuming the
highlights are the same thing as being discussed  here.

Tony


I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what
others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're
signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not
particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now
(since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my
intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are
some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that
there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there
was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually
that's not really the case.

—Sam


On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000
From: 
To: 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="UTF-8"

Well, he has answered a changeset comment:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873

I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply

delete

a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the

ground,

and what to do about it.


I am from Perth, and am a cyclist.  I agree with aaronsta that these routes
are pretty useless.  I have often looked at the signage and wondered about
OSM & the usefulness of the routes.  I might not have gone to the extent of
deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are
pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them)

Ian


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[forster]

Hi

I am looking at the map as if a cyclist visitor to Perth. I am using  
Osmand with the bike routes highlighted feature turned on. I presume  
the highlighted routes are the same ones that are being talked about.  
I can't be sure. The highlights look useful and I would use them. They  
pick out the paths on either side of the river and the ramps onto  
bridges. Routes that I would naturally gravitate towards. I can easily  
turn off the highlights. I definitely want these routes, assuming the  
highlights are the same thing as being discussed  here.


Tony


I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what
others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're
signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not
particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now
(since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my
intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are
some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that
there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there
was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually
that's not really the case.

—Sam


On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000
From: 
To: 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="UTF-8"

Well, he has answered a changeset comment:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873

I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply

delete

a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the

ground,

and what to do about it.


I am from Perth, and am a cyclist.  I agree with aaronsta that these routes
are pretty useless.  I have often looked at the signage and wondered about
OSM & the usefulness of the routes.  I might not have gone to the extent of
deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are
pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them)

Ian


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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Sam Wilson]

I went for a cycle along SW8 this afternoon, and I now think that at 
least that route (and the others if they're similar) should be kept in 
OSM. It's not signposted wonderfully, and there are a few places where 
following the signs wasn't possible, but there were definitely quite a 
lot of signs — including some new ones that have been put up since 
recent roadworks in various places.


The state Department of Transport still publish the bike maps 
<https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/active-transport/at_CYC_map_PerthFremantle-Stirling.pdf> 
(although I can't find an index to them on their site; they're 
discoverable with a search 
<https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/public/SearchTransport.asp?=bike%20map=0> 
though).


Here are some examples of the signs (I took a few more photos 
<https://samwilson.id.au/T2006> too):


Image of the file attached to this post.

Image of the file attached to this post.


On 11/2/22 16:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what 
others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're 
signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often 
not particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render 
now (since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like 
my intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are 
some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that 
there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like 
there was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and 
actually that's not really the case.


—Sam


On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000
From: 
To: 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"

Well, he has answered a changeset comment:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873

I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to 
simply

delete

a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the

ground,

and what to do about it.

I am from Perth, and am a cyclist.  I agree with aaronsta that these 
routes
are pretty useless.  I have often looked at the signage and wondered 
about
OSM & the usefulness of the routes.  I might not have gone to the 
extent of

deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are
pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them)

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[stevea]

On OSM's USA Bicycle Networks wiki [1], the introductory section posits a nice 
section on "What to map."  (In the realm of bicycle routes / networks in the 
USA).  We distinguish between "infrastructure tagging" and "route tagging."  We 
talk about mapping SIGNED routes (and planned routes that are distinctly GOING 
TO BE signed) and how we DON'T tag as a route "what is simply what somebody 
considers 'a good ride,' as those can be subjective or ephemeral."

Of course, this section has been "hammered out" by numerous OSM Contributors 
and wiki writers (and some talk-us chatter, if I recall correctly), so it is a 
form of "consensus in wiki."  You are welcome to use it as a starting point or 
modify it to how you map down under.

Check it out and feel free to liberally borrow (i.e. copy it word-for-word if 
you like).  In short, "it works for us."

[1] https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States/Bicycle_Networks
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[Sam Wilson]

I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what 
others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're 
signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not 
particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now 
(since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my 
intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are some 
good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that there's 
not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there was this 
amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually that's not 
really the case.


—Sam


On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000
From: 
To: 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="UTF-8"

Well, he has answered a changeset comment:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873

I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply

delete

a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the

ground,

and what to do about it.


I am from Perth, and am a cyclist.  I agree with aaronsta that these routes
are pretty useless.  I have often looked at the signage and wondered about
OSM & the usefulness of the routes.  I might not have gone to the extent of
deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are
pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them)

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[iansteer]

> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000
> From: 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
>   Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
> Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Well, he has answered a changeset comment:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873
> 
> I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply
delete
> a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the
ground,
> and what to do about it.
> 

I am from Perth, and am a cyclist.  I agree with aaronsta that these routes
are pretty useless.  I have often looked at the signage and wondered about
OSM & the usefulness of the routes.  I might not have gone to the extent of
deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are
pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them)

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[John Bryant]

I'm a Perth cyclist and I occasionally use www.opencyclemap.org when I'm
planning a ride through an unfamiliar area. I think the bicycle routes in
question are what's shown there but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway I've found
them pretty useful on occasion.

I also occasionally use the signage to find better cycling routes. It's not
perfect but it's often a useful way to get yourself off a busy road.

Anyway I'm not totally convinced one way or the other regarding the
removal, but just wanted to offer the perspective of a (very) occasional
user of that data. A mass deletion seems a bit heavy handed to me.

Cheers
John

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 09:01, Luke Stewart 
wrote:

> With their reasons for deletion:
>
> "largely they are fragmented, and consist of riding on roads without any
> dedicated infrastructure" - this is representative of routes across
> Australia; many routes in Sydney are like this and area just sharrows,
> however as they are still signposted they are mapped as routes.
>
> "the signage has not been maintained, and maintenance is the
> responsibility of the respective local government authority ... signage has
> been maintained ad-hoc" - this may be the case however councils likely
> maintain a list/map of routes (at least thats how it works in NSW). Signage
> is also not always maintained properly in my experience.
>
> "if you live in Perth, I seriously doubt you would have ever used these
> routes for navigation, nor would you have ever purposefully ridden by the
> route, instead of taking a more direct or safer route option as to on road
> cycling." - they are still routes nonetheless, often times I find myself
> following or deviating from a route at will however that does not change
> the fact that they are routes and infrastructure is generally designed to
> cater for these routes.
>
> "The routes are circuitous" - see above
>
> "The OSM information has not been maintained to reflect changes, and the
> OSM application of the routes were not consistent" - in this case then
> routes should be reviewed and updated where necessary, but I do not think
> that outright deletion is warranted
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 02:14,  wrote:
>
>> Well, he has answered a changeset comment:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873
>>
>> I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply
>> delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the
>> ground, and what to do about it.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Collinson 
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36
>> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
>> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>>
>> Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600
>>
>> Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.
>>
>>
>> On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
>> >
>> > Probably
>> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta
>> >
>> >  Who is Aaronsta?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?
>> >>
>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G
>> >> uidelines
>> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_
>> >> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
>> >> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet
>> >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Thorsten
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>> >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
>> >> To: OSM-Au 
>> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
>> >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki
>> >> > >> <mailto:w...@noreply.opens

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Luke Stewart]

With their reasons for deletion:

"largely they are fragmented, and consist of riding on roads without any
dedicated infrastructure" - this is representative of routes across
Australia; many routes in Sydney are like this and area just sharrows,
however as they are still signposted they are mapped as routes.

"the signage has not been maintained, and maintenance is the responsibility
of the respective local government authority ... signage has been
maintained ad-hoc" - this may be the case however councils likely maintain
a list/map of routes (at least thats how it works in NSW). Signage is also
not always maintained properly in my experience.

"if you live in Perth, I seriously doubt you would have ever used these
routes for navigation, nor would you have ever purposefully ridden by the
route, instead of taking a more direct or safer route option as to on road
cycling." - they are still routes nonetheless, often times I find myself
following or deviating from a route at will however that does not change
the fact that they are routes and infrastructure is generally designed to
cater for these routes.

"The routes are circuitous" - see above

"The OSM information has not been maintained to reflect changes, and the
OSM application of the routes were not consistent" - in this case then
routes should be reviewed and updated where necessary, but I do not think
that outright deletion is warranted

Cheers,
Luke

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 02:14,  wrote:

> Well, he has answered a changeset comment:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873
>
> I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply
> delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the
> ground, and what to do about it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Collinson 
> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36
> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>
> Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600
>
> Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.
>
>
> On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> >
> > Probably
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta
> >
> >  Who is Aaronsta?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?
> >>
> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G
> >> uidelines
> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_
> >> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
> >> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet
> >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Thorsten
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
> >> To: OSM-Au 
> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
> >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki
> >>  >> <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
> >> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
> >> the current revision.
> >>
> >> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about
> >> these changes?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:
> >>
> >> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?
> >>
> >> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle
> >>
> >>
> >> Riding on a footpath or shared path
> >>
> >>
> >> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.
> >>
> >> You must:
> >>
> >> *keep left and give way to all pedestrians
> >> *always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.
> >>
> >> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Graeme
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[osm.talk-au]

Well, he has answered a changeset comment:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873

I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply delete 
a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the ground, and 
what to do about it.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Collinson  
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600

Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.


On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
>
> Probably
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta
>
>  Who is Aaronsta?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G
>> uidelines 
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_
>> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
>> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet 
>> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else)
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Thorsten
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
>> To: OSM-Au 
>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging 
>> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki 
>> > <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been 
>> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for 
>> the current revision.
>>
>> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about 
>> these changes?
>>
>>
>>
>> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:
>>
>> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."
>>
>>
>>
>> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?
>>
>> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle
>>
>>
>> Riding on a footpath or shared path
>>
>>
>> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.
>>
>> You must:
>>
>> *keep left and give way to all pedestrians
>> *always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.
>>
>> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Luke Stewart]

In regards to the wiki edits, it seems that the tagging for shared and
similar paths have been changed by this user without any community
discussion. I was of the view that this page was meant to reflect a
consensus, in which case these changes should be reverted and discussed.

(I was working on a detailed page to collect tagging for these kinds of
features with the hope of eventually presenting it for feedback & community
discussion, before incorporating it into the ATG, thus I may have to
continue work on this)

Cheers,
Luke

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 20:07,  wrote:

> Hi
> https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?aaronsta is interesting reading. This user
> has had29% of their edits reverted and 2 blocks but is still the 14th
> highest contributor in Australia. Members of this talk-au , we'll k
> nown ones, have had multiple discussions with the user but it seems
> like nobody has joined the dots.
>
> A similar situation happened recently with another user. Many of the
> regular contributors to this list had crossed paths with him but it
> seemed none realised the scale of his edits.
>
> Would it be possible to have training or sandards of communication and
> consultation that high volume users need to reach?
>
> Maybe it would be good to not display the ranking of users at hdyc
>
> Tony
>
> > Also seems to be zealously removing source tags:
> > https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=117189529
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Collinson 
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36
> > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
> > Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
> >
> > Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:
> >
> >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600
> >
> > Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.
> >
> >
> > On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> >>
> >> Probably
> >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta
> >>
> >>  Who is Aaronsta?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G
> >>> uidelines
> >>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_
> >>> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
> >>> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet
> >>> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Thorsten
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> >>> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
> >>> To: OSM-Au 
> >>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
> >>> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki
> >>>  >>> <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
> >>> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
> >>> the current revision.
> >>>
> >>> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about
> >>> these changes?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:
> >>>
> >>> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Riding on a footpath or shared path
> >>>
> >&g

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[osm.talk-au]

Seems that's not the first time they've done that:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2016-June/010953.html



-Original Message-
From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au  
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 18:06
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

Also seems to be zealously removing source tags: 
https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=117189529

-Original Message-
From: Michael Collinson 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600

Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.


On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
>
> Probably
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta
>
>  Who is Aaronsta?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G
>> uidelines
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_
>> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
>> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet 
>> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else)
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Thorsten
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
>> To: OSM-Au 
>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging 
>> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki 
>> > <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been 
>> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for 
>> the current revision.
>>
>> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about 
>> these changes?
>>
>>
>>
>> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:
>>
>> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."
>>
>>
>>
>> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?
>>
>> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle
>>
>>
>> Riding on a footpath or shared path
>>
>>
>> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.
>>
>> You must:
>>
>> *keep left and give way to all pedestrians
>> *always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.
>>
>> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[osm.talk-au]

Also seems to be zealously removing source tags: 
https://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=117189529

-Original Message-
From: Michael Collinson  
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600

Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.


On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
>
> Probably
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta
>
>  Who is Aaronsta?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G
>> uidelines 
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_
>> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
>> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet 
>> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else)
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Thorsten
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
>> To: OSM-Au 
>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging 
>> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki 
>> > <mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been 
>> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for 
>> the current revision.
>>
>> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about 
>> these changes?
>>
>>
>>
>> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:
>>
>> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."
>>
>>
>>
>> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?
>>
>> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle
>>
>>
>> Riding on a footpath or shared path
>>
>>
>> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.
>>
>> You must:
>>
>> *keep left and give way to all pedestrians
>> *always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.
>>
>> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Phil Wyatt]

Mmm, given the amount of bike edits they may be another wandrer.Earth user 
trying to game the system

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116654835#map=12/-31.9131/115.8548

 

From: Phil Wyatt  
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 6:23 PM
To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au; 'OSM-Au' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta/history#map=3/-17.14/139.83 

 

… would be my best guess, Certainly a few strange changeset comments there.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au 
<mailto:osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au>  mailto:osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au> > 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 5:11 PM
To: 'OSM-Au' mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

 

Seeing the large number of changes to the ATG being made in the last 2 days by 
Aaronsta <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aaronsta> , I got some 
questions.

 

Who is Aaronsta? 

Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?

 

Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
 =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet stuff at 
the bottom, that’s from someone else)

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

 

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick < <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com> 
graemefi...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
To: OSM-Au < <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

 




 

 

 

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:


The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
the current revision. 

Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes 

 

Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these changes?

 

One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:

"Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." 

 

Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?

https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle


Riding on a footpath or shared path


On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.

You must:

*   keep left and give way to all pedestrians
*   always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.

Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?

 

Thanks

 

Graeme

 

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Michael Collinson]

Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600

Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.


On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:


Probably

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta


 Who is Aaronsta?







Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?



Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> 
=revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet 
stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else)




Cheers,

Thorsten



From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
To: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging  
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta













On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki 
<mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:



The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
the current revision.

Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes



Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about  
these changes?




One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:

"Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."



Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?

https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle


Riding on a footpath or shared path


On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.

You must:

*    keep left and give way to all pedestrians
*    always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.

Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?



Thanks



Graeme










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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Phil Wyatt]

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta/history#map=3/-17.14/139.83 

 

… would be my best guess, Certainly a few strange changeset comments there.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au  
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 5:11 PM
To: 'OSM-Au' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

 

Seeing the large number of changes to the ATG being made in the last 2 days by 
Aaronsta <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aaronsta> , I got some 
questions.

 

Who is Aaronsta? 

Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?

 

Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
 =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet stuff at 
the bottom, that’s from someone else)

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

 

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick < <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com> 
graemefi...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
To: OSM-Au < <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

 




 

 

 

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:


The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
the current revision. 

Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes 

 

Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these changes?

 

One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:

"Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." 

 

Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?

https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle


Riding on a footpath or shared path


On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.

You must:

*   keep left and give way to all pedestrians
*   always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.

Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?

 

Thanks

 

Graeme

 

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[forster]

Probably

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta


 Who is Aaronsta?







Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?



Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone   
else)




Cheers,

Thorsten



From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
To: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging   
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta













On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki   
<mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:



The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
the current revision.

Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes



Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about   
these changes?




One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:

"Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."



Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?

https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle


Riding on a footpath or shared path


On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.

You must:

*   keep left and give way to all pedestrians
*   always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.

Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?



Thanks



Graeme










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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[osm.talk-au]

Seeing the large number of changes to the ATG being made in the last 2 days by 
Aaronsta <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aaronsta> , I got some 
questions.

 

Who is Aaronsta? 

Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?

 

Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
 =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet stuff at 
the bottom, that’s from someone else)

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

 

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick  
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
To: OSM-Au 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines 
has been changed by Aaronsta

 




 

 

 

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki mailto:w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:


The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
the current revision. 

Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes 

 

Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these changes?

 

One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:

"Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic." 

 

Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?

https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle


Riding on a footpath or shared path


On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.

You must:

*   keep left and give way to all pedestrians
*   always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.

Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?

 

Thanks

 

Graeme

 

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki <
w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
> the current revision.
>
> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes


Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about these
changes?

One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:
"Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."

Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle
Riding on a footpath or shared path

On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.

You must:

   - keep left and give way to all pedestrians
   - always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.

Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?

Thanks

Graeme
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[talk-au] OpenStreetMap Foundation Local Committee AGM and Annual Report

[Edoardo Neerhut]

Hi all,

*Annual General Meeting*
I recently sent a reminder
 about
the OSGeo Oceania AGM that is taking place this Friday. As the local
chapter of the OSMF in Oceania, the meeting will hopefully interest many in
the OSM community.

Everyone is welcome to attend, ask questions, give suggestions, and get
involved. You can register here
.
It will take place on Dec 17, 2021 at 10:00 AM AWST/12:00 PM AEST/14:00
FJT/15:00 NZT.

*Annual report*
You will also find the Annual Report from the 2020/2021 Board linked here
.
It includes a report from the OpenStreetMap Special Interest Group that was
rather active earlier this year, but is in need of members and enthusiasm.
Is that you?

Thanks for reading,

Ed & The OSGeo Oceania Board
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[Talk-lv] OpenStreetMap is Having a Moment

[Mārtiņš Bruņenieks]

Sveiki!

Noderīgi izlasīt par Facebook, Apple, Amazon un Microsoft ietekmi:

The most valuable companies in the world are treating OSM as critical
> infrastructure for some of the most-used software ever written
> What likely started as a conversation in a British pub between grad
> students in 2004 has spiraled out of control into an invaluable, strategic,
> voluntarily-maintained data asset the wealthiest companies in the world
> can’t afford to replicate
>

https://joemorrison.medium.com/openstreetmap-is-having-a-moment-dcc7eef1bb01

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OpenStreetMap Belgium - Mapper of the Month - Diseret

[joost schouppe]

Thank you for taking the lead on this project, Pierre!

Op zo 29 nov. 2020 om 15:20 schreef Pierre Parmentier <
pierrecparment...@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
> Our Mapper of the Month is on
> https://openstreetmap.be/en/motm/2020/11/15/diseret.html.
> 
>
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[OSM-talk-be] OpenStreetMap Belgium - Mapper of the Month - Diseret

[Pierre Parmentier]

Hello,

Our Mapper of the Month is on
https://openstreetmap.be/en/motm/2020/11/15/diseret.html.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects - fixme

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

In addition to DaCor's and others' work on map notes, it might be useful if 
there was a concerted campaign to reduce the number of fixmes. There are some 
other tags that should really be fixmes. There are some old fixmes that have 
already been fixed and the tags just need to be removed.

  1.  bridge:ref=fixme 7
  2.
fixme=* 5190 (relentless growth)
  3.
fixme_1=* 1
  4.  FIXME=* 1614 (gradually being removed, some converted to fixme=*)
  5.  FixMe=* 2
  6.  Fixme=* 1
  7.  note~FIXME 45
  8.  shop=fixme 3

Colm

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects - Check Autopista

[Colm Moore]

Tony,

It seems it will only load the motorways and possibly route relations (not any 
other roads) that are in view on screen. If you move around the country and 
click "Select freeway" and "See Freeways" it will give you a different list in 
the drop-down list. Sometimes it takes a moment. If you zoom out to see the 
whole island, it will ask you to zoom in.

I had a look over the motorways this morning. The main issues remaining are:

  1.  Standardise rest / service areas.
  2.  Add names and destination information to the rest of the junctions and 
rest / service areas - the nodes and the slip roads.
  3.  Speed limits - about 99% of motorway ways and 62% of motorway_link ways 
have a speed limit mapped.
  4.  Address fixmes and FIXMEs

Colm

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 12:08:29 +
From: Tony Furnell 

Colm, that Check Autopista is a great tool, thanks for posting. It doesn't
come up with many roads across Ireland when you start a search though -
does this only apply to road routes that are marked as relations, or am I
missing a setting that allows me to view selected trunk etc. roads that
have ref=* tags?

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects

[Tony Furnell]

Colm, that Check Autopista is a great tool, thanks for posting. It doesn't
come up with many roads across Ireland when you start a search though -
does this only apply to road routes that are marked as relations, or am I
missing a setting that allows me to view selected trunk etc. roads that
have ref=* tags?

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 23:53:16 +
From: Colm Moore 
To: "talk-ie@openstreetmap.org" 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects
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Hi,

It might be possible to do something similar to the Check Autopista project
http://k1wiosm.github.io/checkautopista/ which checks the completeness of
tags on motorways.

Start with motorways, move on to trunk and primary roads, etc. and make
sure that each road has at least the basic information - maxspeed (where
known), number of lanes, type of surfaces, route ref, one-way, etc. I have
the motorways in reasonable condition already, but Check Autopista is
throwing up some issues that I haven't addressed.

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> The voltage. Get out your volt meter and verify what the voltage is!
> 
>
> I don't know enough about the transformers but it looks like the ESB use
> 33KVA and 15KVA transformers to step down from 20KV or 10KV to 230V.
> Reference is
>
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>
> >From what I've seen the inbound / outbound voltages aren't specified but
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>
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 5:01 PM Tadeusz Cantwell  wrote:
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>
> I'm writing because I want to write a post or application to extract or
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects

[Colm Moore]

st corner EDs - Balscadden, Clonmethan, Garristown, Hollywood -
> only the 1901 versions exist.
> Overlap between Kilsallaghan ED and The Ward ED.
> Off-shore islands not in any townland.
>
> Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown
> Off-shore islands not in any townland.
>
> South Dublin
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From: Brian Hollinshead 
To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Townlands.ie project
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Hi Colm,

Seeing your list of Dublin Eds dated 1901, reminded me that I had most
likely added the bulk of the Dublin Eds and had used the 1901 census index.
Overpass shows 15 dated 1901. I suspect all that I added were 1901 even if
not so tagged.

To have the Dublin EDs conform to the rest of the country please let me
know what date the other counties are and confirm what source I should now
use.

I can then quietly keep any that match and re-date them or remove those
that don’t and replace them. The sooner the better.

Thanks

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 21:00, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While this project is substantially complete, a few things arise. None of
> my comments below are criticism of any of the people who have contributed.
>
> Some administrative areas have been broken and /or deleted. See examples
> below. If I find missing administrative areas could someone volunteer to
> add them?
>
> The diagnostic page 
> https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.townlands.ie%2Fprogress%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C442d50f9a70544a4c4bb08d87f297650%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637399163331129458%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2FGWzYc24k2MDgthbZHNzYUqITOyGUykUnm8zfkxCaUc%3Dreserved=0
>  is throwing up
> lots of issues, e.g. it looks for County Derry but the name in OSM is
> County Londonderry.
>
> Some of the text on the Townlands.ie website is out of date, e.g. it
> refers to the project as being current.
>
> The menu at the bottom doesn't seem to include all the main pages, e.g.
> https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.townlands.ie%2Fprogress%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C442d50f9a70544a4c4bb08d87f297650%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637399163331129458%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2FGWzYc24k2MDgthbZHNzYUqITOyGUykUnm8zfkxCaUc%3Dreserved=0
>
> Colm
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Dublin City
> Mansion House B ED
> Merchants Quay F ED
> Rathmines East C ED
>
> Fingal
> Barberstown townland (between Blancharstown and Lucan).
> Northwest corner EDs - Balscadden, Clonmethan, Garristown, Hollywood -
> only the 1901 versions exist.
> Overlap between Kilsallaghan ED and The Ward ED.
> Off-shore islands not in any townland.
>
> Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown
> Off-shore islands not in any townland.
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From: Donal Hunt 
To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland 
Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects
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Hi Everyone,

I have a desire to tidy up the Ireland
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[OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland projects

[Donal Hunt]

Hi Everyone,

I have a desire to tidy up the Ireland
 wiki page a little in the
coming weeks but need some input from y'all/...

Current projects are:

   - osmirl_buildings project: map as many of the 5.5m buildings in Ireland.

Past projects are:

   - Clonmel Heritage Week 2020 project
   - Townlands.ie
   - others? for sure. let's get them listed...

Other "projects" listed on the page:

   - Places
   - Infrastructure
   - Irish Language (Gaeilge)
   - Gaelic games
   - Background Imagery
   - Imports

I would like to suggest that going forward, each project has a clear goal,
1-2 identified leaders and an easy way for others to contribute / join the
effort. Even pet projects are welcome to be listed as long as they meet the
above criteria. Small projects are better than long-lived projects that
keep evolving. It should be acceptable to have lots of small projects based
around a theme (e.g. ensure all towns have both english and irish names
listed; next project is "ensure all rivers have both irish and english
names", etc). Some of the "other" projects above should probably be moved
to a reference section unless there is high-priority mapping required for
some of the elements.

If you have any input, please add to the discussion here

(talk
page for the Ireland wiki page).
Thanks!

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by 2hu4u

[Andrew Harvey]

Hi Glad to see you on the list, I tried to CC you on the list message in
case you weren't subscribed but didn't know your email.

I'm not sure if it's used by the network tag
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:network I think could be used to
say which network it's part of and hence distinguish the Sydney supply from
other ones disconnected from this network. In addition to the operator tag
(though in theory you could still have Sydney Water operating some isolated
systems).

After doing some more digging looks like there is some discussion on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:man_made%3Dreservoir_covered where
it seems they are mostly used the same way. I had assumed reservoir_covered
was for large (wider than high) in ground reservoirs, with a lining of some
kind, that are covered, with storage_tank would not be sitting in the
ground but rather on the ground and usually not that wide compared to high,
but maybe this is not really backed up by how the tags are defined and used.

More photos of the various kinds would help.

On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 23:29, Peter leGras  wrote:

> Hello, 2hu4u here (this is my first message on the mailing list).
> Regarding water towers, not sure if there is local/state variation, but
> large public tanks connected to the mains utility (commonly with capacities
> of 1-25 megalitres) are referred to by Sydney Water as "covered
> reservoirs". This is a grey area I guess; I thought perhaps it would be
> useful to distinguish the slight nuance between designated reservoirs and
> "man_made=storage_tank + content=water" of the kind that collects or stores
> water on a smaller scale and is disconnected from the greater water
> network. I will be posting photos of example tanks on the wiki soon.
> Looking forward to working with you all.
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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by 2hu4u

[Peter leGras]

Hello, 2hu4u here (this is my first message on the mailing list).
Regarding water towers, not sure if there is local/state variation, but
large public tanks connected to the mains utility (commonly with capacities
of 1-25 megalitres) are referred to by Sydney Water as "covered
reservoirs". This is a grey area I guess; I thought perhaps it would be
useful to distinguish the slight nuance between designated reservoirs and
"man_made=storage_tank + content=water" of the kind that collects or stores
water on a smaller scale and is disconnected from the greater water
network. I will be posting photos of example tanks on the wiki soon.
Looking forward to working with you all.
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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by 2hu4u

[Andrew Harvey]

I agree with youk Graeme. I also saw that change on the tagging guidelines
and was going to raise it so glad you did. There are still such things as
covered reservoirs but these are more where you've got a larger area that
is a reservoir that was covered over. The typical water towers, unless
significantly elevated would just be man_made=storage_tank + content=water
as you said.

On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 14:15, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> Re water tanks / towers, I've just added the following comment to the talk
> page:
>
> " Usual default for ground level water tanks is simply
> man_made=storage_tank + content=water (iD default "water tank"). For
> emergency water tanks eg at RFS stations or reserved for their use also add
> emergency=water_tank. For elevated water tanks, use man_made=water_tower +
> height=xxx (if known)."
>
> If there's no disagreement, I'll also change the Guidelines themselves?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 17:56, OpenStreetMap Wiki <
> w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
>> changed on 26 October 2020 by 2hu4u,
>>
>> To view this change, see
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=next=2047733
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[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Re water tanks / towers, I've just added the following comment to the talk
page:

" Usual default for ground level water tanks is simply
man_made=storage_tank + content=water (iD default "water tank"). For
emergency water tanks eg at RFS stations or reserved for their use also add
emergency=water_tank. For elevated water tanks, use man_made=water_tower +
height=xxx (if known)."

If there's no disagreement, I'll also change the Guidelines themselves?

Thanks

Graeme

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 17:56, OpenStreetMap Wiki <
w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
> changed on 26 October 2020 by 2hu4u,
>
> To view this change, see
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=next=2047733
>
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[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap U.S.: Connect 2020 -- registration and call for proposals

[Minh Nguyen]

Please join the rest of the OpenStreetMap U.S. community for Connect 
2020 -- a free*, virtual event sharing cool ideas and celebrating our 
community from October 29 to 31. Registration is open:


https://www.openstreetmap.us/connect2020/

This isn't quite a State of the Map U.S. We're trying something new this 
year, and we can't pull it off without your help. Please consider 
proposing a session or volunteering as a facilitator. The deadline for 
session proposals is September 20. Here's the detailed call for proposals:


https://www.openstreetmap.us/2020/08/connect2020/

Looking forward to connecting with all of you!







* Free as in freeform tagging. Also free of charge.

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Re: [Talk-it] OpenStreetMap compie 16 anni

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Grazie Anisa per l'idea!

Cercherò di mandare qualcosa :-)

Ale

On 06/08/20 16:19, Anisa Kuci wrote:


Ciao a tutti,

Quest'anno OSM compie 16 anni! \o/

Paesi di tutto il mondo hanno organizzato piccole iniziative per 
festeggiare il 16° compleanno 
 
questo fine settimana.


Mi sarebbe piaciuto proporre un incontro di persona, in modo che 
potessimo avere la possibilità di vederci e incontrarci, ma come tutti 
sappiamo non è possibile vista la situazione.


Allora, adattiamoci!

Ognuno manda gli auguri di compleanno a OSM da qualsiasi luogo si 
trovi, pubblicando su Facebook o Twitter una foto del suo gadget OSM 
più interessante o una foto propria con il gadget OSM o foto di cosa 
sta attualmente mappando in OSM.
Per favore taggate OSM Italia o inviatemi i link dei vostri post in 
modo da poterli poi condividere dai canali di OSM Italia (Facebook - 
@OpenStreeMap.Italia  
/ Twitter - @OpenStreetMapIt ), e 
non dimentichiamoci di usare l'hashtag #OpenStreetMap16. :D


Per chi non ha un account sui social, mandatemi entro questo weekend 
su telegram (AnisaKuci) o email una delle foto qui sopra e un'augurio 
e farò un album da condividere nei social di OSM Italia.


Grazie mille a tutti e buona mappatura,

Anisa

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[Talk-it] OpenStreetMap compie 16 anni

[Anisa Kuci]

Ciao a tutti,

Quest'anno OSM compie 16 anni! \o/

Paesi di tutto il mondo hanno organizzato piccole iniziative per 
festeggiare il 16° compleanno 
 
questo fine settimana.


Mi sarebbe piaciuto proporre un incontro di persona, in modo che 
potessimo avere la possibilità di vederci e incontrarci, ma come tutti 
sappiamo non è possibile vista la situazione.


Allora, adattiamoci!

Ognuno manda gli auguri di compleanno a OSM da qualsiasi luogo si trovi, 
pubblicando su Facebook o Twitter una foto del suo gadget OSM più 
interessante o una foto propria con il gadget OSM o foto di cosa sta 
attualmente mappando in OSM.
Per favore taggate OSM Italia o inviatemi i link dei vostri post in modo 
da poterli poi condividere dai canali di OSM Italia (Facebook - 
@OpenStreeMap.Italia  / 
Twitter - @OpenStreetMapIt ), e non 
dimentichiamoci di usare l'hashtag #OpenStreetMap16. :D


Per chi non ha un account sui social, mandatemi entro questo weekend su 
telegram (AnisaKuci) o email una delle foto qui sopra e un'augurio e 
farò un album da condividere nei social di OSM Italia.


Grazie mille a tutti e buona mappatura,

Anisa

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Re: [Talk-it] OpenStreetMap nel tg principale tedesco

[Luca Delucchi]

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 00:20, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>
>
> Oggi OpenStreetMap è stato usato per la prima volta nel TG principale tedesco 
> (alle ore 20, ARD Tagesschau):
>
> https://michreichert.de/forum-images/forum.openstreetmap.org/70199/tagesschau_2020-08-03_ponte_san_giorgio.jpg
>
> Lo scrivo a voi perché hanno fatto vedere la mappa di Genova (da Maptiler)
>

bravi, con citazione in bella vista per diversi secondi!

> Complimenti a tutti
>
>
> Ciao Martin
>


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[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Oggi OpenStreetMap è stato usato per la prima volta nel TG principale tedesco 
(alle ore 20, ARD Tagesschau):

https://michreichert.de/forum-images/forum.openstreetmap.org/70199/tagesschau_2020-08-03_ponte_san_giorgio.jpg

Lo scrivo a voi perché hanno fatto vedere la mappa di Genova (da Maptiler)

Complimenti a tutti


Ciao Martin 


PS: chi vuole vedere tutto, dal minuto 10:14 
https://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/sendung/ts-38393.html


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[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Applies to Become Official OSMF Local Chapter

[Maggie Cawley]

OpenStreetMap US is excited to announce that we have applied to become an
official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation
<https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters>. OSM US was founded in
2010 to hold the first annual State of the Map US. Over the past 10 years,
our community has actively contributed to the global community and grown
alongside the project.

Community is the backbone of OpenStreetMap. OSM US believes that becoming a
formal Local Chapter will be a positive step forward for the organization
and our community. Last year, OSM US revived conversations with the OSMF to
become a formal Local Chapter. Thanks to the work and patience of the OSMF
and OSM US Board members, we were able to adapt the Local Chapter Agreement
to the needs of the community in the United States in the form of a revised
agreement that we hope can also benefit other Local Chapters around the
world. OpenStreetMap US has since submitted our application documents, and
the application will be open to public comment in the coming weeks. You can
read more about the process here.
<https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/FAQ>

OpenStreetMap US looks forward to the next chapter and working more closely
with other Chapter leaders and the OSMF to collaboratively grow and support
the OpenStreetMap community, as an official Local Chapter.

Have questions or comments? We’d love to hear from you. Reach out via Slack
<https://slack.openstreetmap.us/> or send an email to t...@openstreetmap.us.
Read more here: https://www.openstreetmap.us/2020/07/osmuslocalchapter/


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Re: [Talk-at] OpenStreetMap in Österreichs Bildung und Lehre, Frage id 70000

[Andreas]

Am 13.07.20 um 22:42 schrieb Manuela Schmidt:
> Hallo,
> 
>> Vielleicht kannst Du mir aber helfen. Gibt es Arbeiten welche sich mit
>> dem Potential im Einsatz von OpenSource Software wie Fossgis, und
>> OpenStreetMap auseinandersetzen.
> Es gibt eine Vielzahl akademischer Arbeiten in diesem Bereich. Einfach
> z.B. hier https://scholar.google.com/ nach entsprechenden Schlagworten
> suchen. Dabei muss berücksichtigt werden, dass die meisten
> wissenschaftlichen Studien sehr kleine Teilbereiche untersuchen, die
> nicht notwendigerweise generalisiert werden können.
>

Über meine alte FH habe ich auch folgendes Suchservice für explizite
österreichische Publikationen entdeckt:
https://search.obvsg.at/primo-explore/search?query=any,contains,Open%20Source=hs-tab_scope=OBV_HS=OBV=0

>> Gerade im Kommunalen Bereich in dem ich arbeite, sehe ich aktuell
>> überhaupt keinen Einsatz von Open Source, da dies dort zugleich mit
>> Null! Unterstützung gleichgesetzt wird. Dabei kann man ja Open Source
>> Software, und Support vertraglich wunderbar voneinander trennen.
> 
> Tatsächlich gibt es in Österreich aber auch nicht viele Anbieter für
> professionellen OpenGIS-Support. Viele Firmen in diesem Bereich sind
> EPUs, was für große Institutionen dann teilweise zu heikel ist.
> Deutschland scheint mir in diesem Bereich besser aufgestellt zu sein.
>

Ja das kann ich bestätigen. Die großen Firmen, die nicht Open Source
Software anbieten haben ein extrem gutes Marketing und leisten außerdem
viel Lobbyarbeit, sodass sich Firmen die rein auf Open Source Software
sich spezialisiert haben sich schwer tun da mitzuhalten.

Meiner Meinung nach ist selbst in den Kommunen noch nicht der Nutzen von
Open Source Software angekommen. Die meisten wollen einen Vertrag mit
einer Firma und wo sie bei Problemen auf diese Firma sich beziehen
können. Da tut man sich bei OpenSource schwer bezüglich der Haftung.

Das funktioniert ja außerhalb des GIS Bereiches ja in den Kommunen auch
nicht. Wie viele Kommunen gibt es, die Linux als Betriebssystem
einsetzen oder LibreOffice statt Microsoft Office. Selbst die EU
verstößt hier gegen ihre Gesetze, weil es für die Verwaltung nur
Verträge mit Microsoft Partnern aushandelt und Alternativen erst gar
nicht in Betracht zieht.

Es wäre sicherlich schön, wenn OpenSource Software mehr im öffentlichen
Bereich eingesetzt werden würde, aber das braucht eine vernünftige
Planung und Wartung.

> Generell ist das Archiv der FOSSIS-Konferenzen
> [https://www.fossgis-konferenz.de] eine gute Fundgrube für
> Anwendungsbeispiele von OpenGIS auch bei Ämtern und Kommunen.
> 
>> Wäre es möglich eine Expertise über OpenSource als wissenschaftliche
>> Arbeit anzuregen.
> 
> Ich weiß nicht, was du damit meinst.
> 
> LG Manu
> 
> 
>>
>> Am Mo., 13. Juli 2020 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb Manuela Schmidt
>> mailto:manuela.schm...@tuwien.ac.at>>:
>>
>> Zumindest an der TU Wien (wo 2011 ja auch die SotM-Europe
>> veranstaltet wurde) sind Open Source Tools und offene Daten im
>> Geobereich ein wichtiger Bestandteil der Lehre.
>>
>> Auf https://catalogplus.tuwien.at/ kann nach Diplom- und
>> Masterarbeiten gefiltert werden, die an der TU zu dem Thema
>> veröffentlicht wurden.
>>
>> Und ja, auf talk-at lesen und schreiben auch Lehrende diverser
>> Hochschulen.
>>
>> LG Manu
>>
>>
>> Am 13.07.2020 um 07:05 schrieb Johann Haag:
>>>
>>> In Österreich gibt es 6 Hochschulen mit dem Studienfach
>>> Geographie und Kartographie.
>>> Diese Bildungseinrichtungen werden mit öffentlichem Auftrag
>>> betrieben, also auch vom Österreichischen Steuerzahler finanziert.
>>>
>>> Im Studienplan sollte sich auch daher, nicht nur kommerzielles
>>> sondern mehr oder weniger auch OpenSource und daher im weitesten
>>> Sinne auch OpenStreetMap finden.
>>>
>>> Gibt es irgendwo einen Spiegel an veröffentlichten Arbeiten, mit
>>> OpenStreetMap Bezug.
>>> Ich erwarte mir von Studenten keine Mapping Aktivität, es fällt
>>> mir aber schon auf, dass ich hiervon so rein gar nichts entdecke.
>>>
>>> Wie ist die Stimmung zu Open Source, in Österreichs
>>> Universitäten. Einen Lehrauftrag würde ich über die Steuergeld
>>> Finanzierung dieser Unis schon sehen. Hier im Mail Verteiler
>>> müssten sich jedenfalls an Geographie interessierte Lehrende finden.
>>>
>>> Siehe auch https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=7
>>>
>>> Grüße Johann
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Re: [Talk-at] OpenStreetMap in Österreichs Bildung und Lehre, Frage id 70000

[Manuela Schmidt]

Hallo,

Vielleicht kannst Du mir aber helfen. Gibt es Arbeiten welche sich mit 
dem Potential im Einsatz von OpenSource Software wie Fossgis, und 
OpenStreetMap auseinandersetzen.
Es gibt eine Vielzahl akademischer Arbeiten in diesem Bereich. Einfach 
z.B. hier https://scholar.google.com/ nach entsprechenden Schlagworten 
suchen. Dabei muss berücksichtigt werden, dass die meisten 
wissenschaftlichen Studien sehr kleine Teilbereiche untersuchen, die 
nicht notwendigerweise generalisiert werden können.


Gerade im Kommunalen Bereich in dem ich arbeite, sehe ich aktuell 
überhaupt keinen Einsatz von Open Source, da dies dort zugleich mit 
Null! Unterstützung gleichgesetzt wird. Dabei kann man ja Open Source 
Software, und Support vertraglich wunderbar voneinander trennen.


Tatsächlich gibt es in Österreich aber auch nicht viele Anbieter für 
professionellen OpenGIS-Support. Viele Firmen in diesem Bereich sind 
EPUs, was für große Institutionen dann teilweise zu heikel ist. 
Deutschland scheint mir in diesem Bereich besser aufgestellt zu sein.


Generell ist das Archiv der FOSSIS-Konferenzen 
[https://www.fossgis-konferenz.de] eine gute Fundgrube für 
Anwendungsbeispiele von OpenGIS auch bei Ämtern und Kommunen.


Wäre es möglich eine Expertise über OpenSource als wissenschaftliche 
Arbeit anzuregen.


Ich weiß nicht, was du damit meinst.

LG Manu




Am Mo., 13. Juli 2020 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb Manuela Schmidt 
mailto:manuela.schm...@tuwien.ac.at>>:


Zumindest an der TU Wien (wo 2011 ja auch die SotM-Europe
veranstaltet wurde) sind Open Source Tools und offene Daten im
Geobereich ein wichtiger Bestandteil der Lehre.

Auf https://catalogplus.tuwien.at/ kann nach Diplom- und
Masterarbeiten gefiltert werden, die an der TU zu dem Thema
veröffentlicht wurden.

Und ja, auf talk-at lesen und schreiben auch Lehrende diverser
Hochschulen.

LG Manu


Am 13.07.2020 um 07:05 schrieb Johann Haag:


In Österreich gibt es 6 Hochschulen mit dem Studienfach
Geographie und Kartographie.
Diese Bildungseinrichtungen werden mit öffentlichem Auftrag
betrieben, also auch vom Österreichischen Steuerzahler finanziert.

Im Studienplan sollte sich auch daher, nicht nur kommerzielles
sondern mehr oder weniger auch OpenSource und daher im weitesten
Sinne auch OpenStreetMap finden.

Gibt es irgendwo einen Spiegel an veröffentlichten Arbeiten, mit
OpenStreetMap Bezug.
Ich erwarte mir von Studenten keine Mapping Aktivität, es fällt
mir aber schon auf, dass ich hiervon so rein gar nichts entdecke.

Wie ist die Stimmung zu Open Source, in Österreichs
Universitäten. Einen Lehrauftrag würde ich über die Steuergeld
Finanzierung dieser Unis schon sehen. Hier im Mail Verteiler
müssten sich jedenfalls an Geographie interessierte Lehrende finden.

Siehe auch https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=7

Grüße Johann


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Re: [Talk-at] OpenStreetMap in Österreichs Bildung und Lehre, Frage id 70000

[Johann Haag]

Hallo Manuela,
ich selbst bin Nichtakademiker, und kenne mich daher im universitären
Umfeld nicht so genau aus.
Vielleicht kannst Du mir aber helfen. Gibt es Arbeiten welche sich mit dem
Potential im Einsatz von OpenSource Software wie Fossgis, und OpenStreetMap
auseinandersetzen. Gerade im Kommunalen Bereich in dem ich arbeite, sehe
ich aktuell überhaupt keinen Einsatz von Open Source, da dies dort zugleich
mit Null! Unterstützung gleichgesetzt wird. Dabei kann man ja Open Source
Software, und Support vertraglich wunderbar voneinander trennen.

Irgendwie habe ich den Eindruck, Dienstleister von Kommunen empfehlen
selbst lieber kommerzielle Produkte, da diese so die eigene
Mitarbeiterkompetenz flach halten können. Das ist natürlich für
qualifizierte Studienabgänger sehr schlecht.

Wäre es möglich eine Expertise über OpenSource als wissenschaftliche Arbeit
anzuregen.

Lg Johann  Haag

Am Mo., 13. Juli 2020 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb Manuela Schmidt <
manuela.schm...@tuwien.ac.at>:

> Zumindest an der TU Wien (wo 2011 ja auch die SotM-Europe veranstaltet
> wurde) sind Open Source Tools und offene Daten im Geobereich ein wichtiger
> Bestandteil der Lehre.
>
> Auf https://catalogplus.tuwien.at/ kann nach Diplom- und Masterarbeiten
> gefiltert werden, die an der TU zu dem Thema veröffentlicht wurden.
>
> Und ja, auf talk-at lesen und schreiben auch Lehrende diverser Hochschulen.
>
> LG Manu
>
>
> Am 13.07.2020 um 07:05 schrieb Johann Haag:
>
> In Österreich gibt es 6 Hochschulen mit dem Studienfach Geographie und
> Kartographie.
> Diese Bildungseinrichtungen werden mit öffentlichem Auftrag betrieben,
> also auch vom Österreichischen Steuerzahler finanziert.
>
> Im Studienplan sollte sich auch daher, nicht nur kommerzielles sondern
> mehr oder weniger auch OpenSource und daher im weitesten Sinne auch
> OpenStreetMap finden.
>
> Gibt es irgendwo einen Spiegel an veröffentlichten Arbeiten, mit
> OpenStreetMap Bezug.
> Ich erwarte mir von Studenten keine Mapping Aktivität, es fällt mir aber
> schon auf, dass ich hiervon so rein gar nichts entdecke.
>
> Wie ist die Stimmung zu Open Source, in Österreichs Universitäten. Einen
> Lehrauftrag würde ich über die Steuergeld Finanzierung dieser Unis schon
> sehen. Hier im Mail Verteiler müssten sich jedenfalls an Geographie
> interessierte Lehrende finden.
>
> Siehe auch https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=7
>
> Grüße Johann
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Re: [Talk-at] OpenStreetMap in Österreichs Bildung und Lehre, Frage id 70000

[Manuela Schmidt]

Zumindest an der TU Wien (wo 2011 ja auch die SotM-Europe veranstaltet 
wurde) sind Open Source Tools und offene Daten im Geobereich ein 
wichtiger Bestandteil der Lehre.


Auf https://catalogplus.tuwien.at/ kann nach Diplom- und Masterarbeiten 
gefiltert werden, die an der TU zu dem Thema veröffentlicht wurden.


Und ja, auf talk-at lesen und schreiben auch Lehrende diverser Hochschulen.

LG Manu


Am 13.07.2020 um 07:05 schrieb Johann Haag:


In Österreich gibt es 6 Hochschulen mit dem Studienfach Geographie und 
Kartographie.
Diese Bildungseinrichtungen werden mit öffentlichem Auftrag betrieben, 
also auch vom Österreichischen Steuerzahler finanziert.


Im Studienplan sollte sich auch daher, nicht nur kommerzielles sondern 
mehr oder weniger auch OpenSource und daher im weitesten Sinne auch 
OpenStreetMap finden.


Gibt es irgendwo einen Spiegel an veröffentlichten Arbeiten, mit 
OpenStreetMap Bezug.
Ich erwarte mir von Studenten keine Mapping Aktivität, es fällt mir 
aber schon auf, dass ich hiervon so rein gar nichts entdecke.


Wie ist die Stimmung zu Open Source, in Österreichs Universitäten. 
Einen Lehrauftrag würde ich über die Steuergeld Finanzierung dieser 
Unis schon sehen. Hier im Mail Verteiler müssten sich jedenfalls an 
Geographie interessierte Lehrende finden.


Siehe auch https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=7

Grüße Johann


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[Talk-at] OpenStreetMap in Österreichs Bildung und Lehre, Frage id 70000

[Johann Haag]

In Österreich gibt es 6 Hochschulen mit dem Studienfach Geographie und
Kartographie.
Diese Bildungseinrichtungen werden mit öffentlichem Auftrag betrieben, also
auch vom Österreichischen Steuerzahler finanziert.

Im Studienplan sollte sich auch daher, nicht nur kommerzielles sondern mehr
oder weniger auch OpenSource und daher im weitesten Sinne auch
OpenStreetMap finden.

Gibt es irgendwo einen Spiegel an veröffentlichten Arbeiten, mit
OpenStreetMap Bezug.
Ich erwarte mir von Studenten keine Mapping Aktivität, es fällt mir aber
schon auf, dass ich hiervon so rein gar nichts entdecke.

Wie ist die Stimmung zu Open Source, in Österreichs Universitäten. Einen
Lehrauftrag würde ich über die Steuergeld Finanzierung dieser Unis schon
sehen. Hier im Mail Verteiler müssten sich jedenfalls an Geographie
interessierte Lehrende finden.

Siehe auch https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=7

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland Annual General Meeting

[Heikki Vesanto]

Getting ready for our AGM tomorrow the 27th of June. 11am to 12:30pm.

Will be taking place on Google meet:
meet.google.com/kkz-hkay-bed

Open to all, members and non-members alike. But voting will be restricted
to members, still time to join at:
https://www.openstreetmap.ie/membership-account/membership-levels/

-Heikki

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wrote:

> Date for your diary: 27th June 2020 will be the osmIRL annual general
> meeting.
>
>
> The meeting will be virtual, since the Covid-19 threat will still prevent
> gatherings of more than 6 people on that date. Subscribers will get a
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> and participate in parts of the meeting. Full details to follow.
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[OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland Annual General Meeting

[Ciarán Staunton]

Date for your diary: 27th June 2020 will be the osmIRL annual general
meeting.


The meeting will be virtual, since the Covid-19 threat will still prevent
gatherings of more than 6 people on that date. Subscribers will get a
formal invitation shortly, but other community members are welcome to view
and participate in parts of the meeting. Full details to follow.


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[OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland Microgrant Application

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

How do we do the "*Community members are encouraged to endorse your project 
request here!*" bit?

Colm

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[OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland Microgrant Application

[Heikki Vesanto]

Hi all,

The OpenStreetMap Ireland board has put in an application for a microgrant
from OSMF.

The grant would be to support the ongoing OSM Ireland Buildings project.
Which we feel is a good focus in these times.

Let me know if you have any feedback or questions. As an OSM community
member you can also endorse the proposal, there is a section at the bottom
for "*Community members are encouraged to endorse your project request
here!*"

You can have a read over the proposal:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Microgrants/Microgrants_2020/Proposal/OSM_Ireland_Buildings

-Heikki

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[OSM-talk-fr] OpenstreetMap sur Heroku

[Julien djakk]

Salut tout le monde,

j'ai réussi à monter un serveur nodejs (du
javascript-sans-le-côté-web) pour afficher les données OpenstreetMap
en vectoriel grâce à Mapnik, et sous Heroku :) ->
http://openstreetmap-on-heroku.herokuapp.com /
https://github.com/djakk/openstreetmap-on-heroku

C'est centré sur le quartier de la rue Anatole France à Rennes (qui a
une station de métro à son nom).

Rien de grand public pour le moment, c'est pour celles et ceux qui
aiment lire un code informatique !

N'hésitez pas si vous avez des remarques et/ou des questions :)


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Re: [Talk-ro] [OpenStreetMap Serbia] Conflating boundaries between Romania and Serbia

[Branko Kokanovic]

Just to update here. Conflation is done, it was (mostly) trivial to fix things 
and not a lot of work (border is not glued to anything, so it was easy).

You can filter for my changes with comment "fixing boundary Romania-Serbia" and 
source "RGZ_Import". Last changeset was updating and making tags consistent: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82221495. Feel free to take a look and 
turn my attention to anything that you think I made some errors!

Thanks, Branko

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, at 15:16, Branko Kokanovic wrote:
> Hi neighbours,
> Serbian government recently exposed administrative boundaries as open 
> data. You can find more details here[1]. We are now in process of 
> fixing geometries/conflating boundaries inside country, but while at 
> it, we also want to fix/conflate boundaries between our countries. I 
> learned in OSM Romanian Telegram channel that you also have government 
> data[2][3]. Our data is here, as shp[4] and as .osm[5].
> 
> I was skimming over this data and I don't see any glaring, big disputes 
> between our boundaries. Most are in 5-10m ranges. Correct me if you see 
> something different! However, when I compare what our govt say and what 
> OSM currently have, differences are much bigger (up to 50-100m 
> sometimes!).
> 
> That being said, I think it would be beneficial if we conflate OSM 
> boundaries to some average of what our govt are saying. I am 
> volunteering to do that, but I want to first see if there is any 
> objection to my plan or some better proposals? Of course, it would be 
> done manually, watching out for glued highways, national parks...
> 
> Thanks, Branko
> 
> [1] 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2020-January/006149.html
> [2] 
> http://geoportal.gov.ro/Geoportal_INIS/catalog/main/newventsViewer.page?newsId=1366
> [3] 
> http://geoportal.ancpi.ro/download_files/762fa3e0-ac45-4303-bb8b-07edfbd54843.zip
> [4] https://kokanovic.org/osm/output4326.7z
> [5] https://kokanovic.org/osm/rpj-v2.7z
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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Jan Macura]

Hello Joost,

definitely, I support the idea of OSMCZ becoming a Local Chapter of OSMF :-)

Best regards
 Jan

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 09:17, Joost Schouppe 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Glad to hear no opposition. We have put a vote on accepting the Local
> Chapter on the agenda of the next OSMF Board meeting.
>
> However, we would really like to hear from those that support the chapter
> too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech organization become an
> official Local Chapter?
>
> --
> Automatic translation:
> Jsem rád, že neslyším žádnou námitku. Hlasovali jsme o přijetí Local
> Chapter na pořad jednání příští schůze rady OSMF.
>
> Opravdu bychom však rádi slyšeli od těch, kteří tuto Chapter podporují.
> Každý, kdo by si přál, aby se česká organizace OSM stala oficiální Local
> Chapter ?
>
> All the best,
> Joost
> OSMF Secretary
>
> Op ma 3 feb. 2020 11:19 schreef Joost Schouppe :
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
>> stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
>> republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
>> komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
>> abychom je mohli vypořádat.
>>
>> Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace
>> OSM:
>>
>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
>>
>> Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
>> můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org. Těšíme
>> se na vaše reakce.
>>
>> Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
>> S pozdravem
>>
>> Joost Schouppe
>> Secretary
>> OpenStreetMap Foundation
>>
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom.
>> Below is the original message in English.
>>
>>
>> You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to
>> become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part
>> of the application process, I am asking you, the community, to share any
>> questions, comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.
>>
>> You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
>> the OSMF website:
>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
>>
>>
>> We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020 +
>> 14 days).
>> You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
>> I am looking forward to hearing your responses.
>>
>>
>> Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Joost Schouppe
>> Secretary
>> OpenStreetMap Foundation
>>
>> Name & Registered Office:
>> OpenStreetMap Foundation
>> St John's Innovation Centre
>> Cowley Road
>> Cambridge
>> CB4 0WS
>> United Kingdom
>> A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
>> Registration No. 05912761.
>>
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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Petr Vozdecký]

"



However, we would really like to hear from those that support the chapter 
too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech organization become an
official Local Chapter? 


"

I do support this.



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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 20. 02. 20 v 9:16 Joost Schouppe napsal(a):
However, we would really like to hear from those that support the 
chapter too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech 
organization become an official Local Chapter?


Hi,
I do support this.

Miroslav

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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Joost Schouppe]

Ah, really happy to get some positive feedback. We'll be adapting our
standard "community consultation" mail to make it clear that a simple
encouragement is also really welcome!

Joost

Op do 20 feb. 2020 11:26 schreef Tomas Novotny :

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 09:16:35 +0100
> Joost Schouppe  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Glad to hear no opposition. We have put a vote on accepting the Local
> > Chapter on the agenda of the next OSMF Board meeting.
> >
> > However, we would really like to hear from those that support the chapter
> > too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech organization become
> an
> > official Local Chapter?
>
> yes, that would be really nice.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tomas (osm nick 'stoupa')
>
> > --
> > Automatic translation:
> > Jsem rád, že neslyším žádnou námitku. Hlasovali jsme o přijetí Local
> > Chapter na pořad jednání příští schůze rady OSMF.
> >
> > Opravdu bychom však rádi slyšeli od těch, kteří tuto Chapter podporují.
> > Každý, kdo by si přál, aby se česká organizace OSM stala oficiální Local
> > Chapter ?
> >
> > All the best,
> > Joost
> > OSMF Secretary
> >
> > Op ma 3 feb. 2020 11:19 schreef Joost Schouppe  >:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
> > > stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
> > > republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
> > > komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
> > > abychom je mohli vypořádat.
> > >
> > > Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace
> > > OSM:
> > >
> > >
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
> > >
> > > Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
> > > můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org.
> Těšíme
> > > se na vaše reakce.
> > >
> > > Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
> > > S pozdravem
> > >
> > > Joost Schouppe
> > > Secretary
> > > OpenStreetMap Foundation
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom.
> > > Below is the original message in English.
> > >
> > >
> > > You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to
> > > become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As
> part
> > > of the application process, I am asking you, the community, to share
> any
> > > questions, comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.
> > >
> > > You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application
> on
> > > the OSMF website:
> > >
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
> > >
> > >
> > > We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020
> + 14
> > > days).
> > > You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
> > > I am looking forward to hearing your responses.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Joost Schouppe
> > > Secretary
> > > OpenStreetMap Foundation
> > >
> > > Name & Registered Office:
> > > OpenStreetMap Foundation
> > > St John's Innovation Centre
> > > Cowley Road
> > > Cambridge
> > > CB4 0WS
> > > United Kingdom
> > > A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
> > > Registration No. 05912761.
> > >
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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Tomas Novotny]

Hi,

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 09:16:35 +0100
Joost Schouppe  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Glad to hear no opposition. We have put a vote on accepting the Local
> Chapter on the agenda of the next OSMF Board meeting.
> 
> However, we would really like to hear from those that support the chapter
> too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech organization become an
> official Local Chapter?

yes, that would be really nice.

Best regards,

Tomas (osm nick 'stoupa')

> --
> Automatic translation:
> Jsem rád, že neslyším žádnou námitku. Hlasovali jsme o přijetí Local
> Chapter na pořad jednání příští schůze rady OSMF.
> 
> Opravdu bychom však rádi slyšeli od těch, kteří tuto Chapter podporují.
> Každý, kdo by si přál, aby se česká organizace OSM stala oficiální Local
> Chapter ?
> 
> All the best,
> Joost
> OSMF Secretary
> 
> Op ma 3 feb. 2020 11:19 schreef Joost Schouppe :
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
> > stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
> > republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
> > komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
> > abychom je mohli vypořádat.
> >
> > Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace
> > OSM:
> >
> > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
> >
> > Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
> > můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org. Těšíme
> > se na vaše reakce.
> >
> > Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
> > S pozdravem
> >
> > Joost Schouppe
> > Secretary
> > OpenStreetMap Foundation
> >
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom.
> > Below is the original message in English.
> >
> >
> > You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to
> > become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part
> > of the application process, I am asking you, the community, to share any
> > questions, comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.
> >
> > You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
> > the OSMF website:
> > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
> >
> >
> > We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020 + 14
> > days).
> > You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
> > I am looking forward to hearing your responses.
> >
> >
> > Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > Joost Schouppe
> > Secretary
> > OpenStreetMap Foundation
> >
> > Name & Registered Office:
> > OpenStreetMap Foundation
> > St John's Innovation Centre
> > Cowley Road
> > Cambridge
> > CB4 0WS
> > United Kingdom
> > A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
> > Registration No. 05912761.
> >  

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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[xkomc...@centrum.cz]

Hoi Joost,

Of course, we are excited to join the OSMF as a Local Chapter! :-)

Best regards,

Jiri

On 20. 02. 20 9:16, Joost Schouppe wrote:

Hi,

Glad to hear no opposition. We have put a vote on accepting the Local 
Chapter on the agenda of the next OSMF Board meeting.


However, we would really like to hear from those that support the 
chapter too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech 
organization become an official Local Chapter?


--
Automatic translation:
Jsem rád, že neslyším žádnou námitku. Hlasovali jsme o přijetí Local 
Chapter na pořad jednání příští schůze rady OSMF.


Opravdu bychom však rádi slyšeli od těch, kteří tuto Chapter 
podporují. Každý, kdo by si přál, aby se česká organizace OSM stala 
oficiální Local Chapter ?


All the best,
Joost
OSMF Secretary

Op ma 3 feb. 2020 11:19 schreef Joost Schouppe 
mailto:jo...@osmfoundation.org>>:


Hi all,

Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
abychom je mohli vypořádat.

Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu
Nadace OSM:

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia


Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org
. Těšíme
se na vaše reakce.

Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
S pozdravem

Joost Schouppe
Secretary
OpenStreetMap Foundation


Hi again,

I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by
Tom. Below is the original message in English.


You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has
applied to become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap
Foundation. As part of the application process, I am asking you,
the community, to share any questions, comments or concerns that
you have, so we can address them.

You can find all the information about this Local Chapter
application on the OSMF website:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia



We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb
2020 + 14 days).
You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org

I am looking forward to hearing your responses.


Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.


Best regards,


Joost Schouppe
Secretary
OpenStreetMap Foundation

Name & Registered Office:
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St John's Innovation Centre
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Registration No. 05912761.


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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Mikoláš Štrajt]

Hi,


Czech openstreetmap community is relatively small and OpenStreetMap Česká
republika z.s. already is (de facto) local chapter, as it maintains
openstreetmap.cz website.




I hope making it official will help the community.





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-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Joost Schouppe 
Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 20. 2. 2020 9:20:55
Předmět: Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter
application
"

Hi, 



Glad to hear no opposition. We have put a vote on accepting the Local
Chapter on the agenda of the next OSMF Board meeting. 




However, we would really like to hear from those that support the chapter 
too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech organization become an
official Local Chapter? 




--

Automatic translation:
Jsem rád, že neslyším žádnou námitku. Hlasovali jsme o přijetí Local Chapter
na pořad jednání příští schůze rady OSMF.

Opravdu bychom však rádi slyšeli od těch, kteří tuto Chapter podporují.
Každý, kdo by si přál, aby se česká organizace OSM stala oficiální Local
Chapter ?




All the best, 

Joost

OSMF Secretary 




Op ma 3 feb. 2020 11:19 schreef Joost Schouppe mailto:jo...@osmfoundation.org)>:

"

Hi all,


Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
abychom je mohli vypořádat.


Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace OSM:


https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
(https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia) 


Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org
(http://osmfoundation.org). Těšíme
se na vaše reakce.


Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
S pozdravem





Joost Schouppe
Secretary
OpenStreetMap Foundation




Hi again,

I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom. 
Below is the original message in English.





You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to
become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part of
the application process, I am asking you, the community, to share any
questions, comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.

You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on the
OSMF website: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/
Applications/Czechia
(https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia) 


We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020 + 14
days).
You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
(http://osmfoundation.org)
I am looking forward to hearing your responses.



Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.


Best regards,



Joost Schouppe
Secretary
OpenStreetMap Foundation


Name & Registered Office:
OpenStreetMap Foundation
St John's Innovation Centre
Cowley Road
Cambridge
CB4 0WS
United Kingdom
A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
Registration No. 05912761.

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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Dalibor Jelínek]

Hi Joost,

yes, please. I would like this.

 

Best regards,

Dalibor 

 

From: Joost Schouppe  
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:17 AM
To: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

 

Hi, 

 

Glad to hear no opposition. We have put a vote on accepting the Local Chapter 
on the agenda of the next OSMF Board meeting. 

 

However, we would really like to hear from those that support the chapter too. 
Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech organization become an official 
Local Chapter? 

 

--

Automatic translation:

Jsem rád, že neslyším žádnou námitku. Hlasovali jsme o přijetí Local Chapter na 
pořad jednání příští schůze rady OSMF.

Opravdu bychom však rádi slyšeli od těch, kteří tuto Chapter podporují. Každý, 
kdo by si přál, aby se česká organizace OSM stala oficiální Local Chapter ?

 

All the best, 

Joost

OSMF Secretary 

 

Op ma 3 feb. 2020 11:19 schreef Joost Schouppe mailto:jo...@osmfoundation.org> >:

Hi all, 

Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
abychom je mohli vypořádat.

Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace OSM:

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia 

Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org 
<http://osmfoundation.org> . Těšíme
se na vaše reakce.

Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost. 
S pozdravem

Joost Schouppe
Secretary
OpenStreetMap Foundation

 

Hi again,

I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom. Below 
is the original message in English.


You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to become 
an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part of the 
application process, I am asking you, the community, to share any questions, 
comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.

You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on the 
OSMF website: 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia 


We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020 + 14 
days).
You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org 
<http://osmfoundation.org> 
I am looking forward to hearing your responses.


Thank you to the Czech team for this submission. 


Best regards,


Joost Schouppe
Secretary
OpenStreetMap Foundation

Name & Registered Office:
OpenStreetMap Foundation
St John's Innovation Centre
Cowley Road
Cambridge
CB4 0WS
United Kingdom
A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
Registration No. 05912761.

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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Joost Schouppe]

Hi,

Glad to hear no opposition. We have put a vote on accepting the Local
Chapter on the agenda of the next OSMF Board meeting.

However, we would really like to hear from those that support the chapter
too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech organization become an
official Local Chapter?

--
Automatic translation:
Jsem rád, že neslyším žádnou námitku. Hlasovali jsme o přijetí Local
Chapter na pořad jednání příští schůze rady OSMF.

Opravdu bychom však rádi slyšeli od těch, kteří tuto Chapter podporují.
Každý, kdo by si přál, aby se česká organizace OSM stala oficiální Local
Chapter ?

All the best,
Joost
OSMF Secretary

Op ma 3 feb. 2020 11:19 schreef Joost Schouppe :

> Hi all,
>
> Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
> stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
> republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
> komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
> abychom je mohli vypořádat.
>
> Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace
> OSM:
>
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
>
> Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
> můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org. Těšíme
> se na vaše reakce.
>
> Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
> S pozdravem
>
> Joost Schouppe
> Secretary
> OpenStreetMap Foundation
>
>
> Hi again,
>
> I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom.
> Below is the original message in English.
>
>
> You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to
> become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part
> of the application process, I am asking you, the community, to share any
> questions, comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.
>
> You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
> the OSMF website:
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
>
>
> We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020 + 14
> days).
> You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
> I am looking forward to hearing your responses.
>
>
> Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Joost Schouppe
> Secretary
> OpenStreetMap Foundation
>
> Name & Registered Office:
> OpenStreetMap Foundation
> St John's Innovation Centre
> Cowley Road
> Cambridge
> CB4 0WS
> United Kingdom
> A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
> Registration No. 05912761.
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[Joost Schouppe]

Hi all,

Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
abychom je mohli vypořádat.

Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace OSM:

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia

Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org. Těšíme
se na vaše reakce.

Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
S pozdravem

Joost Schouppe
Secretary
OpenStreetMap Foundation


Hi again,

I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom.
Below is the original message in English.


You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to
become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part
of the application process, I am asking you, the community, to share any
questions, comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.

You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
the OSMF website:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia


We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020 + 14
days).
You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
I am looking forward to hearing your responses.


Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.


Best regards,


Joost Schouppe
Secretary
OpenStreetMap Foundation

Name & Registered Office:
OpenStreetMap Foundation
St John's Innovation Centre
Cowley Road
Cambridge
CB4 0WS
United Kingdom
A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
Registration No. 05912761.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap un bloatware ?

[Philippe Verdy]

En lisant un peu, en fait c'est à prendre avec humour, car en fait il cite
tout ce qui est très utile et dont on ne se passe plus. Comme s'il fallait
regretter le temps des PC à 8 Mhz et 384Ko de RAM, pas d'Internet, des
modems à 33Kbit/s (ou encore le minitel). Pourtant c'était nettement moins
efficace (énergétiquement) et beaucoup plus cher qu'aujourd'hui et le
moindre truc prenait un temps fou (donc coûtait aussi de l'argent et de la
vie personnelle), et beaucoup d'effort pour arriver à obtenir quelquechose
qu'on avait peine à maintenir ou adapter à autre chose : ça remplissait une
fonction unique (pas forcément mal, mais que d'effort !)

Et pourtant il le fait sur Internet avec un navigateur, et ne dit pas grand
chose des ressources prises par tout navigateur en fonction et la taille
démente des OS et le temps à les installer et les maintenir à cause de la
nécessite constante de les remettre à jour. si on n'est pas prêt à ça, on
ne prend pas de PC, on n'a pas de smartphone qu'on rachète tous les 2-3
ans, on éteint sa télé (oui nos télés maintenant sont aussi des PC, comme
aussi nos box Internet et nos smarthpones, peu importe le processeur
d'ailleurs, après tout les Mac aussi sont des PC maintenant et le
changemetn de famille de processeur plusieurs fois dans cet OS n'a rien
changé pour l'utilisateur final, sauf qu'il a du racheter ses appareils).

Moi ce que j'appelle bloatware ce sont plutôt les applis mobiles qui se
remettent à niveau tous les jours juste pour charger de nouvelles
publicités et qui consomme les forfaits data, la batterie, et le stockage
local de plus en plus encombré. Ou encore tous les trucs préinstallés par
les fabricants de smartphone et qui collectent des données dès qu'on a
accepté les "conditions d'utilisation" qu'on ne peut pas refuser, et qu'on
ne peut pas arrêter ni désinstaller ou remplacer, ou qui insistent pour se
mettre à jour et refusent de fonctionner sinon, les mises à jour étant de
plus en plus volumineuses et finissant même par saturer le téléphone et le
rendre inutilisable (sans compter qu'on ne peut pas remplacer l'OS non plus
à cause des barrières logicielles imposées et clés de sécurité, sans
utiliser des outils de craquage encore plus dangereux juste pour parvenir à
"rooter" l'appareil.

Le bloatware c'est aussi les firmwares propriétaires de tous nos appareils
: on peut changer le BIOS, l'OS pour un OS libre, tout reformater, ce
firmware est toujours là et fait tout ce qu'il veut. Il y en a partout: un
PC ce n'est pas qu'un processeur, il y a des tas de composants ayant leurs
propre firmware propriétaire, même un simple clavier ou une cartouche
d'encre, et la quasi totalité des puces et controleurs. Là tout est opaque,
on ne peut même pas savoir ce que font ces composants avec les outils
logiciels ou l'OS, ils sont invisibles, peuvent tout surveiller sans être
détectés. Ils ont tous des backdoors capable de faire ce qu'ils veulent et
à tout moment. Ils ont aussi une obsolescence programmée qui va générer une
pseudo-panne. Et ça se développe aussi dans les voitures. Le but étant de
forcer une intervention payante chère juste pour reprogrammer le composant
en une touche et quelques secondes ou nous forcer à remplacer l'appareil.

Franchement ce qu'il cite est justement ce qui cause le moindre mal, est le
plus efficace à l'heure actuelle, et coûte le moins en rendant le plus de
services et qui est le plus facilement adaptable aux évolutions et aux
besoins de chacun.


Le dim. 19 janv. 2020 à 13:40, Stéphane Péneau 
a écrit :

> Merci pour vos réponses.
>
> Je ne pense pas que ce soit un troll, mais plutôt qu'il a vu une toute
> petite partie de ce qu'est réellement "OpenStreetMap". J'ai fait une
> dernière réponse :
>
> https://linuxfr.org/users/kwiknclean/journaux/tout-cela-me-fatigue#comment-1797124
>
> Stf
>
> Le 19/01/2020 à 00:16, marc marc a écrit :
> > Le 18.01.20 à 18:10, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
> >> J'ai été assez surpris d'un commentaire sur linuxfr, qui citait
> >> OpenStreetMap dans sa liste des "bloatwares" [1]. Après lui avoir
> >> demandé comment il en était arrivé à cette conclusion, sa réponse [2] me
> >> donne l'impression qu'il mélange la BDD, et le rendu. Je me trompe ?
> >>
> >> [1] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796042
> >>
> >> [2] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796846
> > il y a beaucoup de "caricature simpliste d'un monde complexe"
> > mais je trouve qu'il y a quand même un part de vrai :
> > les serveurs osm.org de rendu par exemple, c'est un exemple de pelote,
> > tellement emmelé que leur évolution a du mal.
> >
> > ceci dit, là où il se trompe à mes yeux, c'est que l'empilement permet
> > de réutiliser des briques simples au lieu d'inventer un nouveau Xieme
> > protocole ou Xieme brique qui fait quasi pareil que l'existant mais qui
> > a 1% de différence "d'optimisation" et qui au final rendra le moins
> > performant ou moins facile à maintenir (parce qu'à chaque amélioration
> > de la brique standard, il 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap un bloatware ?

[Stéphane Péneau]

Merci pour vos réponses.

Je ne pense pas que ce soit un troll, mais plutôt qu'il a vu une toute 
petite partie de ce qu'est réellement "OpenStreetMap". J'ai fait une 
dernière réponse :

https://linuxfr.org/users/kwiknclean/journaux/tout-cela-me-fatigue#comment-1797124

Stf

Le 19/01/2020 à 00:16, marc marc a écrit :

Le 18.01.20 à 18:10, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :

J'ai été assez surpris d'un commentaire sur linuxfr, qui citait
OpenStreetMap dans sa liste des "bloatwares" [1]. Après lui avoir
demandé comment il en était arrivé à cette conclusion, sa réponse [2] me
donne l'impression qu'il mélange la BDD, et le rendu. Je me trompe ?

[1] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796042

[2] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796846

il y a beaucoup de "caricature simpliste d'un monde complexe"
mais je trouve qu'il y a quand même un part de vrai :
les serveurs osm.org de rendu par exemple, c'est un exemple de pelote,
tellement emmelé que leur évolution a du mal.

ceci dit, là où il se trompe à mes yeux, c'est que l'empilement permet
de réutiliser des briques simples au lieu d'inventer un nouveau Xieme
protocole ou Xieme brique qui fait quasi pareil que l'existant mais qui
a 1% de différence "d'optimisation" et qui au final rendra le moins
performant ou moins facile à maintenir (parce qu'à chaque amélioration
de la brique standard, il faudra du temps pour maintenir
le fork optimisé). On a cela pas loin...
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap un bloatware ?

[marc marc]

Le 18.01.20 à 18:10, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
> J'ai été assez surpris d'un commentaire sur linuxfr, qui citait
> OpenStreetMap dans sa liste des "bloatwares" [1]. Après lui avoir
> demandé comment il en était arrivé à cette conclusion, sa réponse [2] me
> donne l'impression qu'il mélange la BDD, et le rendu. Je me trompe ?
> 
> [1] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796042
> 
> [2] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796846

il y a beaucoup de "caricature simpliste d'un monde complexe"
mais je trouve qu'il y a quand même un part de vrai :
les serveurs osm.org de rendu par exemple, c'est un exemple de pelote,
tellement emmelé que leur évolution a du mal.

ceci dit, là où il se trompe à mes yeux, c'est que l'empilement permet
de réutiliser des briques simples au lieu d'inventer un nouveau Xieme
protocole ou Xieme brique qui fait quasi pareil que l'existant mais qui
a 1% de différence "d'optimisation" et qui au final rendra le moins
performant ou moins facile à maintenir (parce qu'à chaque amélioration
de la brique standard, il faudra du temps pour maintenir
le fork optimisé). On a cela pas loin...
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap un bloatware ?

[osm . sanspourriel]

Le 18/01/2020 à 19:05, Vincent Bergeot - vinc...@bergeot.org a écrit :


L’effet Dunning-Kruger, ou effet de surconfiance, est un biais
cognitif selon lequel les moins qualifiés dans un domaine surestiment
leur compétence.


Autrement dit : ne rien dire c'est prendre le risque de passer pour un con.
Dire c'est risquer de le prouver.
On le remerciera d'avoir levé l’ambiguïté^^.

Dans un premier temps il dit qu'en parlant d'OpenStreetMap il ne sait
pas de quoi il parle.
Alors tu te tais du con !

Ensuite il parle d'utiliser un protocole carto.

Bien justement, la carte du site utilise un XYZ, l'équivalent d'un TMS.
Mais bon je pense qu'on vient de lui donner deux nouveaux noms...

Et les données sont disponibles en PBF sur des sites FTP.

Côté performances on a vu pire.

Et sur mon téléphone portable j'ai le monde entier sur carte microSD.

En fait pas tout, je pourrais mais je ne télécharge que les pays ou
régions au besoin. Merci OSMAND.

Jean-Yvon

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap un bloatware ?

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Le 18/01/2020 à 18:36, Christian Quest a écrit :

Hum... beau troll, non ?


Il ne parlaient pas plutôt de JOSM (troll²) ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap un bloatware ?

[Christian Quest]

Hum... beau troll, non ?


Le 18/01/2020 à 18:10, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
J'ai été assez surpris d'un commentaire sur linuxfr, qui citait 
OpenStreetMap dans sa liste des "bloatwares" [1]. Après lui avoir 
demandé comment il en était arrivé à cette conclusion, sa réponse [2] 
me donne l'impression qu'il mélange la BDD, et le rendu. Je me trompe ?


[1] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796042

[2] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796846


Stf


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap un bloatware ?

[Eric SIBERT via Talk-fr]

Le 18/01/2020 à 18:10, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
> J'ai été assez surpris d'un commentaire sur linuxfr, qui citait
> OpenStreetMap dans sa liste des "bloatwares" [1]. Après lui avoir
> demandé comment il en était arrivé à cette conclusion, sa réponse [2] me
> donne l'impression qu'il mélange la BDD, et le rendu. Je me trompe ?


C'est un peu l'impression. Tu peux lui dire qu'OSM est bien à la base de 
données. Il y a pleins d'utilisations en aval dont le rendu par défaut. 
Ce rendu par défaut est juste un démonstrateur qui n'a pas vocation à 
être utilisé en production. Ceux qui tirent trop dessus se font bloquer. 
Libre à lui de faire son propre serveur/rendu ultra-optimisé mais le 
temps (même bénévole) c'est de l'argent. Alors, on fait des choix entre 
ressources matériels et ressources humaines.


Tout n'est pas perdu. Il faut lui montrer la démo de serveur de tuiles 
vectorielles sur rasp ;-)


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[OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap un bloatware ?

[Stéphane Péneau]

J'ai été assez surpris d'un commentaire sur linuxfr, qui citait 
OpenStreetMap dans sa liste des "bloatwares" [1]. Après lui avoir 
demandé comment il en était arrivé à cette conclusion, sa réponse [2] me 
donne l'impression qu'il mélange la BDD, et le rendu. Je me trompe ?


[1] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796042

[2] https://linuxfr.org/nodes/119088/comments/1796846


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[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Newsletter Jan 2020

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Re: [Talk-tr] openstreetmap CN domain and keyword

[Roman Neumüller]

Bu CN domain konulu mesaj büyük olasılıkla SCAM'dir ve silinir -
Çinlilerin domain sorunları bize ne yani ?

On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 22:59:53 +0300, Jeff Liu   
wrote:



(It's very urgent, please transfer this email to your CEO. Thanks)
This is a formal email. We are the Domain Registration Service company  
in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. On Dec 17, 2019, we  
received an application from Kanghong Ltd requested "openstreetmap" as  
their internet keyword and China (CN) domain names (openstreetmap.cn,  
openstreetmap.com.cn, openstreetmap.net.cn, openstreetmap.org.cn). But  
after checking it, we find this name conflict with your company name or  
trademark. In order to deal with this matter better, it's necessary to  
send email to you and confirm whether this company is your distributor  
or business partner in China?


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[Talk-tr] openstreetmap CN domain and keyword

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(It's very urgent, please transfer this email to your CEO. Thanks) 
This is a formal email. We are the Domain Registration Service company in 
China. Here I have something to confirm with you. On Dec 17, 2019, we received 
an application from Kanghong Ltd requested "openstreetmap" as their internet 
keyword and China (CN) domain names (openstreetmap.cn, openstreetmap.com.cn, 
openstreetmap.net.cn, openstreetmap.org.cn). But after checking it, we find 
this name conflict with your company name or trademark. In order to deal with 
this matter better, it's necessary to send email to you and confirm whether 
this company is your distributor or business partner in China?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap sur Arte (X-enius)

[Stéphane Péneau]

C'est une redif d'un épisode de 2018
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2018-September/090094.html

Stf

Le 15/12/2019 à 17:22, Christian Quest a écrit :
Voici un enregistrement d'un extrait de l'émission X-énius diffusée 
sur Arte il y a peu...


https://peertube.amicale.net/videos/watch/89151236-8078-4d80-93f3-087b533ff5ca

On y voit des têtes connues ;)

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[OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap sur Arte (X-enius)

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Voici un enregistrement d'un extrait de l'émission X-énius diffusée sur
Arte il y a peu...

https://peertube.amicale.net/videos/watch/89151236-8078-4d80-93f3-087b533ff5ca

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[OSM-talk-be] OpenStreetMap Foundation elections

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

Every year, there's an election of the OSMF Board. Usually, one or two
people step down. The longest serving member needs to do that, and others
who decide that they spent enough time on the Board can decide to stop.
This year, there's four seats open!

Now is a special moment in the election cycle: all 10 candidates have
written up a manifesto and have answered questions coming from the
community. You can read it all here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM19/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos

If you're a member of the OSMF, you should have gotten some election
updates already. We're 17 Belgian members btw, which is an avarage number
compared to nearby countries.

I myself am going into my second year on the Board and simply will continue
my membership there, for now.

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Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

[Alouette955]

Re-Bonjour Pierre,

Concernant les chemins marqués bicycle=designated et l’impossibilité de les 
voir sur la carte cyclable sans lcn=yes je viens de relire les recommandations.

Notre utilisation de bicycle=designated pour indiquer un marquage sur le pavée 
du symbole “sharrows” (désolé je n’ai pas la traduction française):

   voir:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_lane_marking

devrait être remplacée par l’attribut cycleway=share_lane.

   voir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_lane_marking

Contrairement à l’attribut bicycle, on peut y utiliser :left ou :right ce qui 
serait pertinent dans plusieurs cas que je connais.

Dans la nouvelle carte cyclable (que j’apprécie de plus en plus”"), cet 
attribut est tenu en compte et apparait clairement. Par exemple sur la rue 
Larivière de cet exemple:

   https://www.cyclosm.org/#map=17/45.51951/-73.79279/cyclosm

Ce rendu montre d’un coup d’oeil la grosse majorité sinon tous les attributs 
cyclables sauf lcn=yes.

Salutations,

Claude

From: Alouette955 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 4:21 PM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org ; Pierre Boucher 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le 
Québec

Pierre,

Concernant les infrastructures cyclables invisibles sans un lcn=yes j’ai trouvé 
dans JOSM (**) un affichage lors de l’édition où toutes les infrastructures 
sont visibles incluant bicycle=yes ou designated ou les attributs :right left: 
etc ... Ils n’ont pas tous un graphisme très clair mais ils sont distincts.

Pour l’activer il faut aller dans “Affichage” puis “Coloriage” et activer 
“Cycleways” (la première fois il faut l’installer dans “Préférence du rendu de 
la carte”). Ainsi, lors de l’édition, on peut voir tout chemin ayant un 
attribut cyclable avant de l’ajouter à une relation.

L’option qui m’était très utile et rapide “Fichier” et “Télécharger dans la vue 
courante” a disparu de JOSM. Il faut maintenant utiliser “Télécharger les 
données” où on obtient l’équivalent mais avec  plus de manipulation. 

Une autre option intéressante est aussi apparue ... “Télécharger le long ...” 
qui télécharge tous les objets situé le long d’un chemin.

Claude

(**) J’ai abandonné Potlatch et iD depuis l’abandon du support de Flash Player 
dans mes fureteurs.

From: Pierre Boucher 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:57 AM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec
[... texte effacé ...¸]
  a.. Pour moi lcn=yes me permet en un clin d'oeil davoir une vue d'ensemble 
sur le réseau cyclable de toutes ces municipalités incluant les chemins dit 
"designated, yes, permissive, etc." comme cycleway=designated par exemple qui 
n'apparait pas sur la carte sans l'utilisation de lcn=yes.  De plus en 
utilisant  l'attribut additionnel :right :left ou :both à cycleway je peux voir 
le résultat sur la carte. 


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Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

[Alouette955]

Bonjour,

Juste pour ne pas être mal interprété je cite ici mon introduction:

“La discussion n’est peut-être pas terminée mais advenant qu’on y aille 
d’un projet il y a deux avenues possibles.”

Il n’y a pas encore consensus mais quelques pour et quelques contre.

Heureux par contre que ça ait réveillé le sujet.

Claude

From: Marc-André Miron 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 3:57 PM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

J'aimerais signaler que le sujet s'est dédoublé:

Pertinence de lcn=yes pour le Québec a commencé ici:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2019-October/009459.html  


Et son dernier échange se trouve ici:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2019-October/009473.html  

Claude semble interpréter que le sujet soit clos et passer à la suppression de 
la balise lcn, mais ces interventions précédentes sont pourtant restées lettres 
mortes.

Pour rappel, nous sommes plusieurs à ne pas être convaincu de l'inutilité de 
"lcn=yes", sans que cela empêche un développement des relations de pistes dont 
les libellés sont disponibles. Autrement dit, pourquoi jeter le bébé avec l'eau 
du bain? Les deux ne peuvent-ils pas coexister?

En particulier, nous avons souligné que les dénominations de réseaux locaux 
sont soutenus par la documentation précise des villes et arrondissements, ont 
des éléments physiques qui leur correspondent et que la distinction des réseaux 
locaux versus régionaux ainsi que de l'ensemble d'un réseau lcn et des pistes 
qui le traversent peuvent avoir leur utilité.

J'aimerais aussi remarquer que l'utilité d'une balise dépasse les 
interprétations des différents moteurs de rendu. J'ai l'impression qu'il y a 
confusion sur ce point et qu'on s'évite ce questionnement en se disant que 
l'utilité repose sur la présentation particulière ou judicieuse de la balise 
dans un moteur de rendu particulier. De façon plus générale, la balise contient 
une information géographique réelle, documentée et pertinente. Par exemple, 
dans l'usage de Pierre:

"Pour moi lcn=yes me permet en un clin d'oeil davoir une vue d'ensemble sur le 
réseau cyclable de toutes ces municipalités incluant les chemins dit 
"designated, yes, permissive, etc." comme cycleway=designated par exemple qui 
n'apparait pas sur la carte sans l'utilisation de lcn=yes."

L'intérêt de baliser le réseau local du reste transcende l'implémentation d'un 
rendu quelconque. Autre cas de figure: celui où un citoyen ou un arrondissement 
souhaite sélectionner les éléments de la base de donnée qui correspondent au 
réseau local pour étudier quelconque donnée pouvant être ou non corrélée à la 
balise et croiser celles-ci avec le taux géographique d'accidents, à tout 
exemple.

Ma suggestion est donc d'implémenter les relations mais de laisser les balises 
lcn, puisqu'elles constituent toutes deux des éléments géographiques pertinents 
d'usages différents. Il serait également dommage de procéder à la suppression 
de ces données pertinentes, implémentées manuellement, par manque de créativité 
d'usages potentiels.

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Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

[stevea]

Merci Marc-André pour votre excellent exposé sur les raisons pour lesquelles 
nous devrions taguer lcn=yes (j’applique rcn ou ncn, le cas échéant).

En effet, la Route Verte est à la fois étiquetée network = ncn et rcn = yes (à 
certains endroits), ce qui indique que cette route est "aux" niveaux régional 
et national (mais que l’étiquette de réseau ne peut pas contenir deux valeurs 
simultanées). transmet correctement la sémantique.

Nous POUVONS (mais ne devrions pas) attribuer une balise pour le rendu, nous 
DEVRAIONS étiqueter "ce qui est" et "ce que nous savons être vrais", aussi bien 
que les balises de OSM peuvent en tenir compte.  Plusieurs balises OSM 
orientées cycle peuvent, devraient et doivent coexister.

(S'il te plaît, pardonne à mon écolier français, je fais de mon mieux).

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[Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

[Marc-André Miron]

J'aimerais signaler que le sujet s'est dédoublé:

Pertinence de lcn=yes pour le Québec a commencé ici:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2019-October/009459.html

Et son dernier échange se trouve ici:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2019-October/009473.html

Claude semble interpréter que le sujet soit clos et passer à la suppression
de la balise lcn, mais ces interventions précédentes sont pourtant restées
lettres mortes.

Pour rappel, nous sommes plusieurs à ne pas être convaincu de l'inutilité
de "lcn=yes", sans que cela empêche un développement des relations de
pistes dont les libellés sont disponibles. Autrement dit, pourquoi jeter le
bébé avec l'eau du bain? Les deux ne peuvent-ils pas coexister?

En particulier, nous avons souligné que les dénominations de réseaux locaux
sont soutenus par la documentation précise des villes et arrondissements,
ont des éléments physiques qui leur correspondent et que la distinction des
réseaux locaux versus régionaux ainsi que de l'ensemble d'un réseau lcn et
des pistes qui le traversent peuvent avoir leur utilité.

J'aimerais aussi remarquer que l'utilité d'une balise dépasse les
interprétations des différents moteurs de rendu. J'ai l'impression qu'il y
a confusion sur ce point et qu'on s'évite ce questionnement en se disant
que l'utilité repose sur la présentation particulière ou judicieuse de la
balise dans un moteur de rendu particulier. De façon plus générale, la
balise contient une information géographique réelle, documentée et
pertinente. Par exemple, dans l'usage de Pierre:

"Pour moi lcn=yes me permet en un clin d'oeil davoir une vue d'ensemble sur
le réseau cyclable de toutes ces municipalités incluant les chemins dit
"designated, yes, permissive, etc." comme cycleway=designated par exemple
qui n'apparait pas sur la carte sans l'utilisation de lcn=yes."

L'intérêt de baliser le réseau local du reste transcende l'implémentation
d'un rendu quelconque. Autre cas de figure: celui où un citoyen ou un
arrondissement souhaite sélectionner les éléments de la base de donnée qui
correspondent au réseau local pour étudier quelconque donnée pouvant être
ou non corrélée à la balise et croiser celles-ci avec le taux géographique
d'accidents, à tout exemple.

Ma suggestion est donc d'implémenter les relations mais de laisser les
balises lcn, puisqu'elles constituent toutes deux des éléments
géographiques pertinents d'usages différents. Il serait également dommage
de procéder à la suppression de ces données pertinentes, implémentées
manuellement, par manque de créativité d'usages potentiels.

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Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

[Alouette955]

Pierre,

Concernant les infrastructures cyclables invisibles sans un lcn=yes j’ai trouvé 
dans JOSM (**) un affichage lors de l’édition où toutes les infrastructures 
sont visibles incluant bicycle=yes ou designated ou les attributs :right left: 
etc ... Ils n’ont pas tous un graphisme très clair mais ils sont distincts.

Pour l’activer il faut aller dans “Affichage” puis “Coloriage” et activer 
“Cycleways” (la première fois il faut l’installer dans “Préférence du rendu de 
la carte”). Ainsi, lors de l’édition, on peut voir tout chemin ayant un 
attribut cyclable avant de l’ajouter à une relation.

L’option qui m’était très utile et rapide “Fichier” et “Télécharger dans la vue 
courante” a disparu de JOSM. Il faut maintenant utiliser “Télécharger les 
données” où on obtient l’équivalent mais avec  plus de manipulation. 

Une autre option intéressante est aussi apparue ... “Télécharger le long ...” 
qui télécharge tous les objets situé le long d’un chemin.

Claude

(**) J’ai abandonné Potlatch et iD depuis l’abandon du support de Flash Player 
dans mes fureteurs.

From: Pierre Boucher 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:57 AM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec
[... texte effacé ...¸]
  a.. Pour moi lcn=yes me permet en un clin d'oeil davoir une vue d'ensemble 
sur le réseau cyclable de toutes ces municipalités incluant les chemins dit 
"designated, yes, permissive, etc." comme cycleway=designated par exemple qui 
n'apparait pas sur la carte sans l'utilisation de lcn=yes.  De plus en 
utilisant  l'attribut additionnel :right :left ou :both à cycleway je peux voir 
le résultat sur la carte. 
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Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

[Alouette955]

Bonjour,

Je me réponds à moi-même pour conserver les références ci-bas.

Je leur ajoute le Plan directeur du réseau cyclable de Laval qui recense les 
axes superstructurants et structurants existants et proposés versus les 
“dessertes locales`

 
https://www.laval.ca/Documents/Pages/Fr/Activites/sports-et-loisirs/plan-directeur-reseau-cyclable.pdf

Ce genre d’informations en plus de celles de la CMM et de la CMQ ci-bas existe 
certainement pour plusieurs autres municipalités.

La discussion n’est peut-être pas terminée mais advenant qu’on y aille d’un 
projet il y a deux avenues possibles.

1- On se donne l’hiver pour créer, région par région, les relations 
correspondant aux routes locales évidentes et au printemps on efface les 
lcn=yes restants sur les chemins.  Pas évident qu’on a les ressources humaines 
requises pour tout faire d’ici là mais on aura fait un bon bout.

2- Ce que j’appelle l’électrochoc. On efface maintenant tous les lcn=yes 
(évidemment sauf dans les relations) et on entreprend la création des relations 
locales. Ça provoquera certainement une réaction mais ça publiciserait le 
projet plus rapidement auprès de ceux qui ne sont pas sur cette liste.

La première avenue a l’avantage de laisser visible les pistes cyclables sur la 
carte OSM en ligne facilitant une vue globale avant de s’attaquer à une région.

Une coordination sera évidemment nécessaire et une documentation pourrait être 
ajoutée dans:

   https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Québec/Pistes_cyclables

Claude

From: Alouette955 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 4:28 PM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org ; Pierre Boucher 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le 
Québec

Merci Pierre,

L’argument de visibilité que tu avances (et c’est celui que j’ai suivi au 
départ) a une réception très froide dans la communauté OSM. En effet on nous 
répète constamment de ne pas cartographier en fonction du rendu d’une carte. Si 
l’objectif d’une carte ne satisfait pas nos objectifs à nous de construire un 
autre rendu ... pas évident.

Pour la carte cyclable Garmin basée sur les données OSM que nous partageons 
j’ai décidé de mettre en avant toute voie ayant un attribut cyclable (lnc=yes 
ou non). C’est le but de cette carte de montrer toutes les voies cyclables. 
Ainsi si on circule sur une voie cyclable absente de la carte il suffit de la 
capturer et de mettre à jour OSM. La carte de Andy Allan n’a de tout évidence 
pas cet objectif.

Ceci dit j’ai trouvé quelques références sur des routes cyclables pouvant faire 
l’objet de relations.

La CMM (Communauté Métropolitaine de Montréal) publie une carte interactive de 
son plan d’aménagement régionale prévue du Réseau Vélo Métropolitain. Plusieurs 
routes locales existantes y seront utilisées dans l’instauration de la VM dont 
la VM20 est la première route terminée. Cette carte pourrait servie de 
squelette pour les routes locales.

   ref.:
 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:R%C3%A9seau_v%C3%A9lo_m%C3%A9tropolitain

 
http://cmm.qc.ca/champs-intervention/transport/plans-en-transport/plan-directeur-du-reseau-velo-metropolitain/#carte

Dans cette dernière carte zoomez et cliquez sur un segment. Certains sont à 
construire mais plusieurs existent déjà.

La CMQ Communauté Métropolitaine de Québec a également une carte interactive où 
en activant la couche “Réseau Cyclable sous PMAD 2012” montre 8 principaux 
tronçons qui peuvent peut-être assimilées aux routes dans OSM???

ref: https://www.sig.cmquebec.qc.ca/GeoLyre/index.html?viewer=sig2020

Il n‘est pas dit que nous trouverons tout en ligne mais en fouillant on se 
rapproche d’une information structurée des réseaux cyclables qui se rapproche 
de la notion de routes dans OSM.

Claude

P..S Je déplore aussi que “bicycle=designated” sans lcn=yes soit exclu des 
cartes cyclables en ligne. Son utilisation n’est pas marginale dans la région.

From: Pierre Boucher 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:57 AM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

Bonjour,

J'ai reçu ce message de Alouette555 - voir au bas de mon commentaire - me 
demandant mon opinion sur la "Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec" et 
me demande de répondre sur talk-ca

Je suis un contributeur qui contribue ( 4679 modifications depuis le 1er 
juillet 2013 - beaucoup de contributeur ne contribue pas ou à peu près pas).

Voici mon commentaire:

  1.. Tout d'abord merci è Claude (Alouette555) pour son aide et ses conseils à 
mes débuts comme contributeur en juillet 2013.

  2.. Je suis un fervent cycliste +/- 4000 km par année principalement au nord 
de Montréal - Rosemère, Boisbriand, Sainte-Thérèse, Blainvile, Saint-Jérôme, 
Oka, etc... 
  3.. J'ai contribué à mettre à jour - et j'essaie de garder à jour - les 
chemins cyclables de ces municipaltés.  J'ai de bonnes relations avec les 
travaux publics et les urbanistes de ces municipal

Re: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

[Alouette955]

Merci Pierre,

L’argument de visibilité que tu avances (et c’est celui que j’ai suivi au 
départ) a une réception très froide dans la communauté OSM. En effet on nous 
répète constamment de ne pas cartographier en fonction du rendu d’une carte. Si 
l’objectif d’une carte ne satisfait pas nos objectifs à nous de construire un 
autre rendu ... pas évident.

Pour la carte cyclable Garmin basée sur les données OSM que nous partageons 
j’ai décidé de mettre en avant toute voie ayant un attribut cyclable (lnc=yes 
ou non). C’est le but de cette carte de montrer toutes les voies cyclables. 
Ainsi si on circule sur une voie cyclable absente de la carte il suffit de la 
capturer et de mettre à jour OSM. La carte de Andy Allan n’a de tout évidence 
pas cet objectif.

Ceci dit j’ai trouvé quelques références sur des routes cyclables pouvant faire 
l’objet de relations.

La CMM (Communauté Métropolitaine de Montréal) publie une carte interactive de 
son plan d’aménagement régionale prévue du Réseau Vélo Métropolitain. Plusieurs 
routes locales existantes y seront utilisées dans l’instauration de la VM dont 
la VM20 est la première route terminée. Cette carte pourrait servie de 
squelette pour les routes locales.

   ref.:
 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:R%C3%A9seau_v%C3%A9lo_m%C3%A9tropolitain

 
http://cmm.qc.ca/champs-intervention/transport/plans-en-transport/plan-directeur-du-reseau-velo-metropolitain/#carte

Dans cette dernière carte zoomez et cliquez sur un segment. Certains sont à 
construire mais plusieurs existent déjà.

La CMQ Communauté Métropolitaine de Québec a également une carte interactive où 
en activant la couche “Réseau Cyclable sous PMAD 2012” montre 8 principaux 
tronçons qui peuvent peut-être assimilées aux routes dans OSM???

ref: https://www.sig.cmquebec.qc.ca/GeoLyre/index.html?viewer=sig2020

Il n‘est pas dit que nous trouverons tout en ligne mais en fouillant on se 
rapproche d’une information structurée des réseaux cyclables qui se rapproche 
de la notion de routes dans OSM.

Claude

P..S Je déplore aussi que “bicycle=designated” sans lcn=yes soit exclu des 
cartes cyclables en ligne. Son utilisation n’est pas marginale dans la région.

From: Pierre Boucher 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:57 AM
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: [Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

Bonjour,

J'ai reçu ce message de Alouette555 - voir au bas de mon commentaire - me 
demandant mon opinion sur la "Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec" et 
me demande de répondre sur talk-ca

Je suis un contributeur qui contribue ( 4679 modifications depuis le 1er 
juillet 2013 - beaucoup de contributeur ne contribue pas ou à peu près pas).

Voici mon commentaire:

  1.. Tout d'abord merci è Claude (Alouette555) pour son aide et ses conseils à 
mes débuts comme contributeur en juillet 2013.

  2.. Je suis un fervent cycliste +/- 4000 km par année principalement au nord 
de Montréal - Rosemère, Boisbriand, Sainte-Thérèse, Blainvile, Saint-Jérôme, 
Oka, etc... 
  3.. J'ai contribué à mettre à jour - et j'essaie de garder à jour - les 
chemins cyclables de ces municipaltés.  J'ai de bonnes relations avec les 
travaux publics et les urbanistes de ces municipalités.

  4.. Pour moi lcn=yes me permet en un clin d'oeil davoir une vue d'ensemble 
sur le réseau cyclable de toutes ces municipalités incluant les chemins dit 
"designated, yes, permissive, etc." comme cycleway=designated par exemple qui 
n'apparait pas sur la carte sans l'utilisation de lcn=yes.  De plus en 
utilisant  l'attribut additionnel :right :left ou :both à cycleway je peux voir 
le résultat sur la carte. 
  5.. lcn=yes est simplement un outil mais un outils important pour moi mais 
qui peut être remplacé... mai pas simplement éliminé.  Comme disait feu Jacques 
Pariseau ancien Premier ministre du Québec "Faut pas jeter le bébé avec l"eau 
du bain"

  6.. Des "relations"... peut être...ça reste à voir...

  Pierre Boucher (Boff II)

  

Message reçu de Alouette555

Bonjour,

Vous recevez ce message puisque nous avons détecté que vous avez créé dans 
OSM des chemins avec “lcn=yes” dans la zone du Québec.

Vous avez pu l’ajouter volontairement en créant des voies cyclables ou 
involontairement en scindant des chemins. Si c’est involontairement vous pouvez 
ignorer ce message.

Une discussion sur l’usage de “lcn=yes” largement utilisé au Québec est en 
cours sur talk-ca et pourrait vous concerner:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2019-October/009443.html

On y soulève la mauvaise interprétation qui a été propagée à plusieurs 
contributeurs (dont je suis un peu responsable) sur l’usage de “lcn=yes” comme 
attribut d’un chemin. LCN devrait, selon la documentation:

h

[Talk-ca] [OpenStreetMap] Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le Québec

[Pierre Boucher]

Bonjour,

J'ai reçu ce message de Alouette555 - voir au bas de mon commentaire - 
me demandant mon opinion sur la "Revision de l'attribut lcn=yes pour le 
Québec" et me demande de répondre sur talk-ca


Je suis un contributeur qui contribue ( 4679 modifications depuis le 1er 
juillet 2013 - beaucoup de contributeur ne contribue pas ou à peu près pas).


Voici mon commentaire:

1. Tout d'abord merci è Claude (Alouette555) pour son aide et ses
   conseils à mes débuts comme contributeur en juillet 2013.
2. Je suis un fervent cycliste +/- 4000 km par année principalement au
   nord de Montréal - Rosemère, Boisbriand, Sainte-Thérèse, Blainvile,
   Saint-Jérôme, Oka, etc...
3. J'ai contribué à mettre à jour - et j'essaie de garder à jour - les
   chemins cyclables de ces municipaltés.  J'ai de bonnes relations
   avec les travaux publics et les urbanistes de ces municipalités.
4. Pour moi lcn=yes me permet en un clin d'oeil davoir une vue
   d'ensemble sur le réseau cyclable de toutes ces municipalités
   incluant les chemins dit "designated, yes, permissive, etc." comme
   cycleway=designated par exemple qui n'apparait pas sur la carte sans
   l'utilisation de lcn=yes.  De plus en utilisant l'attribut
   additionnel :right :left ou :both à cycleway je peux voir le
   résultat sur la carte.
5. lcn=yes est simplement un outil mais un outils important pour moi
   mais qui peut être remplacé... mai pas simplement éliminé. Comme
   disait feu Jacques Pariseau ancien Premier ministre du Québec *"Faut
   pas jeter le bébé avec l"eau du bain"*
6. Des "relations"... peut être...ça reste à voir...

   Pierre Boucher (Boff II)


Message reçu de Alouette555


Bonjour,

Vous recevez ce message puisque nous avons détecté que vous avez
créé dans OSM des chemins avec “lcn=yes” dans la zone du Québec.

Vous avez pu l’ajouter volontairement en créant des voies
cyclables ou involontairement en scindant des chemins. Si c’est
involontairement vous pouvez ignorer ce message.

Une discussion sur l’usage de “lcn=yes” largement utilisé au
Québec est en cours sur talk-ca et pourrait vous concerner:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2019-October/009443.html

On y soulève la mauvaise interprétation qui a été propagée à
plusieurs contributeurs (dont je suis un peu responsable) sur
l’usage de “lcn=yes” comme attribut d’un chemin. LCN devrait,
selon la documentation:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Itin%C3%A9raires_cyclables

être majoritairement utilisé pour définir des routes cyclables (ce
qui est différent des voies cyclables) dans des relations et
uniquement dans de rares cas comme attribut sur un chemin.

On propose donc d’éliminer l’attribut “lcn=yes” de l’ensemble des
chemins du Québec (tout en conservant les attributs
d’infrastructure cyclable). On soupçonne que l’utilisation de cet
attribut est uniquement pour le rendu qu’il donne dans la carte
cyclable.

Une deuxième étape sera de recréer les véritables routes cyclables
dans des relations conformément à la règle.

J’arrête ici ce message en vous invitant à venir donner votre
opinion sur la liste talk-ca.

Merci de ne pas simplement me répondre il m’est impossible de
relayer tous les messages jusqu’à la liste talk-ca.


--

*/Pierre Boucher/*
514.730.6211
formation en navigation de plaisance
Ste-Thérèse (Québec) Canada
http://www.lavoile.com



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[Talk-it] OpenStreetMap e accessibilità a Padova

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Buongiorno a tutte e tutti,

sul tema OpenStreetMap e accessibilità a Padova, vi segnalo l'articolo 
pubblicato su Wikimedia Italia news ieri 
(https://www.wikimedia.it/padova-piu-accessibile-il-percorso-e-tracciato-su-openstreetmap) 
e il seminario che terrò questo pomeriggio, sempre a Padova 
(https://www.facebook.com/MasterGIScience/posts/2290538907875254).


Ale


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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Ewen Hill

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Nice work Ewen!

I just corrected one very minor typo by adding a comma.

I'm not sure that these bits read quite right though?

"Data-sets that contain First Nation details need extra vigilance and
discussion with elders above the standard import process"

"beyond the standard ..." perhaps?

"Also, terms which reflected time the data was compiled may be considered
inappropriate today."

"Also, common terms which were acceptable when existing data was compiled
..." ?

What do you think?

Thanks

Graeme


On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 16:48, OpenStreetMap Wiki <
w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Dear Fizzie41,
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> Significant update and create it's own section (H1).
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