[talk-ph] bulk import of wikipedia POIs to OSM

[maning sambale]

Over at the main OSM list, there is a discussion on importing POIs
from wikipedia articles:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036582.html

The main discussion revolves around whether we should or shouldn't
import given that some of the POIs location (lon/lat) maybe derived
from Google Map.  I'm not really familiar with wikipedia's POI data
particularly for the Philippines.  Do we need to add them here?  Or
there will be major conflicts with existing POIs we have already
added.

Any ideas?

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Re: [talk-ph] Is Makati "road-complete"?

[maning sambale]

Follow-up to my inquiry here.  Is Makati "road-complete"?

In the main map: it has administrative boundaries up to
barangay/village level; MRT stations; some building outlines;
residential landuse areas; road restrictions; POIS; etc.

Although there are few minor errors reported:
http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/?lon=121.02493475009584&lat=14.556820060903302&zoom=15

I don't go to Makati very often, therefore, I cannot mark a "stamp of
approval".  Any Makati resident who can attest to the "completeness"
of OSm coverage of the City?


On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM, maning sambale
 wrote:
> Of course not, everything changes.  There will be new roads, old roads
> reclassified, Chairman BF changing u-turn slots and oneway streets.
>
> Of course, the question is what metrics should we use.  We can roughly
> define complete as:
> "Street names are labelled. Roads for car traffic are present. One way
> streets and pedestrian streets are present. This means that the map
> can be used for car navigation"
> Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Ed Garcia  wrote:
>> Hi Maning,
>>
>> Just curious ... when you declare an area as "road-complete", would this
>> mean it would be sealed of from additions/edits of ways?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:24 AM, maning sambale 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just had a look at Makati today:
>>>
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.554&lon=121.0276&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF
>>>
>>> I have to say the data is comprehensive, roads, POIs, landuse,
>>> administrative boundaries.
>>> However, I also saw a couple of unnamed roads:
>>>
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.5543&lon=121.0276&zoom=14&layers=000BFTF
>>>
>>> Once this, unnamed roads are updated, I think it's time to review the
>>> area and declare Makati as "road-complete".
>>>
>>> Can somebody, have an objective look at Makati and evaluate?  I
>>> suggest we follow this scheme:
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status
>>>
>>> Then I propose we start voting whether we declare Makati as "road
>>> complete"
>>>
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Re: [talk-ph] bulk import of wikipedia POIs to OSM

[Mike Collinson]

I kinda sit on the fence on both the legal issues and the desirability of bulk 
importing specifically Philippines data.  For kicking off this discussion, I'd 
therefore suggest that we do not do a bulk import but that we do individually 
use the Wikipedia map location tool. I have found this very useful for broadly 
locating something I am looking for even when the exact location is not 
accurate (often).

If list members have not come across this, there are often lat/lon coords in 
the top right of a Wikipedia article.  Click on that and you are given a list 
of online maps, click on OpenStreetMap "map" and the on the usual OpenStreetMap 
Edit link.  I then use the landsat imagery to precisely locate the feature I am 
looking for and manually create a tag or way ... or adding more information to 
a tag that is already there.  I generally use it for getting names for rivers, 
mountains and towns.

Mike

At 09:08 AM 6/05/2009, maning sambale wrote:
>Over at the main OSM list, there is a discussion on importing POIs
>from wikipedia articles:
>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036582.html
>
>The main discussion revolves around whether we should or shouldn't
>import given that some of the POIs location (lon/lat) maybe derived
>from Google Map.  I'm not really familiar with wikipedia's POI data
>particularly for the Philippines.  Do we need to add them here?  Or
>there will be major conflicts with existing POIs we have already
>added.
>
>Any ideas?
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Is Makati "road-complete"?

[Marloue Pidor]

I edited some roads in Guadalupe, named some streets. And there are lots
of foot path in Brgy. Pitogo that is not in the map yet. I live in
Pitogo when I'm in Manila and M. V. Laurilla St. leads to Samar St. I
will be editing the area and I will be in Manila early next week. By the
way, what is the criteria to consider an area/place to be "road
complete"?

murlwe

<-Original Message-> 
>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
>Sent: 5/6/2009 3:30:46 PM
>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Is Makati "road-complete"?
>
>Follow-up to my inquiry here. Is Makati "road-complete"?
>
>In the main map: it has administrative boundaries up to
>barangay/village level; MRT stations; some building outlines;
>residential landuse areas; road restrictions; POIS; etc.
>
>Although there are few minor errors reported:
>http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/?lon=121.02493475009584&lat=14.556820
060903302&zoom=15
>
>I don't go to Makati very often, therefore, I cannot mark a "stamp of
>approval". Any Makati resident who can attest to the "completeness"
>of OSm coverage of the City?
>
>
>On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM, maning sambale
> wrote:
>> Of course not, everything changes.  There will be new roads, old
roads
>> reclassified, Chairman BF changing u-turn slots and oneway streets.
>>
>> Of course, the question is what metrics should we use.  We can
roughly
>> define complete as:
>> "Street names are labelled. Roads for car traffic are present. One
way
>> streets and pedestrian streets are present. This means that the map
>> can be used for car navigation"
>> Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Ed Garcia 
wrote:
>>> Hi Maning,
>>>
>>> Just curious ... when you declare an area as "road-complete", would
this
>>> mean it would be sealed of from additions/edits of ways?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:24 AM, maning sambale
>
>>> wrote:

 I just had a look at Makati today:


>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.554&lon=121.0276&zoom=14&layers=B0
00FTF

 I have to say the data is comprehensive, roads, POIs, landuse,
 administrative boundaries.
 However, I also saw a couple of unnamed roads:


>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.5543&lon=121.0276&zoom=14&layers=0
00BFTF

 Once this, unnamed roads are updated, I think it's time to review
the
 area and declare Makati as "road-complete".

 Can somebody, have an objective look at Makati and evaluate?  I
 suggest we follow this scheme:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status

 Then I propose we start voting whether we declare Makati as "road
 complete"

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Re: [talk-ph] Is Makati "road-complete"?

[maning sambale]

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Marloue Pidor  wrote:
> I edited some roads in Guadalupe, named some streets. And there are lots of
> foot path in Brgy. Pitogo that is not in the map yet. I live in Pitogo when
> I'm in Manila and M. V. Laurilla St. leads to Samar St. I will be editing
> the area and I will be in Manila early next week. By the way, what is the
From your report, it's obvious it's not yet "road complete".

> criteria to consider an area/place to be "road complete"?
When I say "road complete", I define it as:
" Street names are labelled. This means that the map can be used to
find an address.
Roads for car traffic are present. One way streets and pedestrian
streets are present. This means that the map can be used for car
navigation"
Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status

But we can define our own metric if the above definition is not sufficient.

> murlwe
>
> <-Original Message->
>>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
>>Sent: 5/6/2009 3:30:46 PM
>>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Is Makati "road-complete"?
>>
>>Follow-up to my inquiry here. Is Makati "road-complete"?
>>
>>In the main map: it has administrative boundaries up to
>>barangay/village level; MRT stations; some building outlines;
>>residential landuse areas; road restrictions; POIS; etc.
>>
>>Although there are few minor errors reported:
>>http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/?lon=121.02493475009584&lat=14.556820060903302&zoom=15
>>
>>I don't go to Makati very often, therefore, I cannot mark a "stamp of
>>approval". Any Makati resident who can attest to the "completeness"
>>of OSm coverage of the City?
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM, maning sambale
>> wrote:
>>> Of course not, everything changes. There will be new roads, old roads
>>> reclassified, Chairman BF changing u-turn slots and oneway streets.
>>>
>>> Of course, the question is what metrics should we use. We can roughly
>>> define complete as:
>>> "Street names are labelled. Roads for car traffic are present. One way
>>> streets and pedestrian streets are present. This means that the map
>>> can be used for car navigation"
>>> Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Ed Garcia  wrote:
 Hi Maning,

 Just curious ... when you declare an area as "road-complete", would this
 mean it would be sealed of from additions/edits of ways?


 On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:24 AM, maning sambale
>>
 wrote:
>
> I just had a look at Makati today:
>
>
>>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.554&lon=121.0276&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF
>
> I have to say the data is comprehensive, roads, POIs, landuse,
> administrative boundaries.
> However, I also saw a couple of unnamed roads:
>
>
>>http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.5543&lon=121.0276&zoom=14&layers=000BFTF
>
> Once this, unnamed roads are updated, I think it's time to review the
> area and declare Makati as "road-complete".
>
> Can somebody, have an objective look at Makati and evaluate? I
> suggest we follow this scheme:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status
>
> Then I propose we start voting whether we declare Makati as "road
> complete"
>
> --
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Re: [talk-ph] bulk import of wikipedia POIs to OSM

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Wikipedia POIs are essentially geocoded articles. And basing on my
experience working with Philippine-related Wikipedia articles, practically
the only geocoded articles are the ones about large geographic features like
provinces, cities, municipalities, mountains, rivers, etc. I don't think
that there's anything that we can add to the Philippine part of OSM from
Wikipedia that's not already there.


On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Over at the main OSM list, there is a discussion on importing POIs
> from wikipedia articles:
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036582.html
>
> The main discussion revolves around whether we should or shouldn't
> import given that some of the POIs location (lon/lat) maybe derived
> from Google Map.  I'm not really familiar with wikipedia's POI data
> particularly for the Philippines.  Do we need to add them here?  Or
> there will be major conflicts with existing POIs we have already
> added.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
> cheers,
> maning
> --
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Re: [talk-ph] Is Makati "road-complete"?

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Makati is close to complete and is extremely usable already. But I wouldn't
say it's 100% complete especially if we want to use it to find addresses.
For instance I recently tagged the street of northern Ecology Village as
missing and the residential streets in Magallanes very near the corner of
EDSA and NLEX are still missing (Yahoo!'s imagery is outdated).


On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Marloue Pidor 
> wrote:
> > I edited some roads in Guadalupe, named some streets. And there are lots
> of
> > foot path in Brgy. Pitogo that is not in the map yet. I live in Pitogo
> when
> > I'm in Manila and M. V. Laurilla St. leads to Samar St. I will be editing
> > the area and I will be in Manila early next week. By the way, what is the
> From your report, it's obvious it's not yet "road complete".
>
> > criteria to consider an area/place to be "road complete"?
> When I say "road complete", I define it as:
> " Street names are labelled. This means that the map can be used to
> find an address.
> Roads for car traffic are present. One way streets and pedestrian
> streets are present. This means that the map can be used for car
> navigation"
> Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status
>
> But we can define our own metric if the above definition is not sufficient.
>
> > murlwe
> >
> > <-Original Message->
> >>From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
> >>Sent: 5/6/2009 3:30:46 PM
> >>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> >>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Is Makati "road-complete"?
> >>
> >>Follow-up to my inquiry here. Is Makati "road-complete"?
> >>
> >>In the main map: it has administrative boundaries up to
> >>barangay/village level; MRT stations; some building outlines;
> >>residential landuse areas; road restrictions; POIS; etc.
> >>
> >>Although there are few minor errors reported:
> >>
> http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/?lon=121.02493475009584&lat=14.556820060903302&zoom=15
> >>
> >>I don't go to Makati very often, therefore, I cannot mark a "stamp of
> >>approval". Any Makati resident who can attest to the "completeness"
> >>of OSm coverage of the City?
> >>
> >>
> >>On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM, maning sambale
> >> wrote:
> >>> Of course not, everything changes. There will be new roads, old roads
> >>> reclassified, Chairman BF changing u-turn slots and oneway streets.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, the question is what metrics should we use. We can roughly
> >>> define complete as:
> >>> "Street names are labelled. Roads for car traffic are present. One way
> >>> streets and pedestrian streets are present. This means that the map
> >>> can be used for car navigation"
> >>> Source: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Ed Garcia 
> wrote:
>  Hi Maning,
> 
>  Just curious ... when you declare an area as "road-complete", would
> this
>  mean it would be sealed of from additions/edits of ways?
> 
> 
>  On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:24 AM, maning sambale
> >>
>  wrote:
> >
> > I just had a look at Makati today:
> >
> >
> >>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.554&lon=121.0276&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF
> >
> > I have to say the data is comprehensive, roads, POIs, landuse,
> > administrative boundaries.
> > However, I also saw a couple of unnamed roads:
> >
> >
> >>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.5543&lon=121.0276&zoom=14&layers=000BFTF
> >
> > Once this, unnamed roads are updated, I think it's time to review the
> > area and declare Makati as "road-complete".
> >
> > Can somebody, have an objective look at Makati and evaluate? I
> > suggest we follow this scheme:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:En:Map_status
> >
> > Then I propose we start voting whether we declare Makati as "road
> > complete"
> >
> > --
> > cheers,
> > maning
> > --
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> > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
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[talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the Jollibee, McDonald's, and
Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm wondering if this is wise. Do
we mark out every retail store, every bank branch, every Western
Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office in OSM? My personal take
is that we don't need to.

One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall that have hundreds of
tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and edit overlapping POIs in
such a small land area.

I feel that the level of detail we should attain is down to the building
level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in Megamall Building A, then it's
enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not where the Jollibee
there is exactly.

In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be added for anchor tenants,
like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE Hardware, SM Supermarket,
SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark out each and every
McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's, BPI, Chinabank, etc. in the
mall.

A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is better suited to
something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.

What do you guys think?


On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale
wrote:

> What I mean is address information (we've discussed it already, and
> agreed it is important, unless I'm mistaken) not specific business
> establishment (although it is attached to the address).  We also have
> numerous POIs added already.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ahmed Farooq  wrote:
> > I don’t think adding business data to OSM is a good idea - that data
> changes far too often and is far more complex in upkeep.
> >
> > -A
> >
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Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[maning sambale]

Just my take,
1.  If it's on the ground it should be mapped.
2.  If somebody bothered to map fishball vendors in Luneta, nobody's
stopping him.

3 years ago (am I that old in OSM?), my only goal is to map major
highways around the metro, now it's there.  But we want more.  We've
mapped footways, cycleways, I even saw driveways somewhere.  If
somebody sees the importance of a certain feature then by all means
let them map it.

If I can collect data for breeding sites of all the endangered bird
species (and I think it is important) I will possibly map it here.

I agree there should be some limits and priorities (at the moment) but
I am hopeful we will get to a point where we will map individual
houses with addresses

just my take,

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:
> It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the Jollibee, McDonald's, and
> Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm wondering if this is wise. Do
> we mark out every retail store, every bank branch, every Western
> Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office in OSM? My personal take
> is that we don't need to.
>
> One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall that have hundreds of
> tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and edit overlapping POIs in
> such a small land area.
>
> I feel that the level of detail we should attain is down to the building
> level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in Megamall Building A, then it's
> enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not where the Jollibee
> there is exactly.
>
> In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be added for anchor tenants,
> like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE Hardware, SM Supermarket,
> SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark out each and every
> McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's, BPI, Chinabank, etc. in the
> mall.
>
> A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is better suited to
> something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale 
> wrote:
>>
>> What I mean is address information (we've discussed it already, and
>> agreed it is important, unless I'm mistaken) not specific business
>> establishment (although it is attached to the address).  We also have
>> numerous POIs added already.
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ahmed Farooq  wrote:
>> > I don’t think adding business data to OSM is a good idea - that data
>> > changes far too often and is far more complex in upkeep.
>> >
>> > -A
>> >
>
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Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:18 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Just my take,
> 1.  If it's on the ground it should be mapped.


This is a good guideline in general but of course a line has to be drawn
somewhere (pun not intended). I don't think drawing the individual stripes
of a pedestrian walkway is productive even if it *is* on the ground. A map
is supposed to be a representation--not a facsimile of the real world.
That's why we represent roads in OSM using center lines and not (at the
moment) as areas.


> 2.  If somebody bothered to map fishball vendors in Luneta, nobody's
> stopping him.


Fishball vendors are probably not a good example for your point since they
are too ephemeral to be mapped. But anyway, OSM is a community project and
we work on consensus. While we do encourage people to map what they think
are important, I don't think we should just let people map things like
"Location of Mark and Jenny's first kiss", right?

3 years ago (am I that old in OSM?), my only goal is to map major
> highways around the metro, now it's there.  But we want more.  We've
> mapped footways, cycleways, I even saw driveways somewhere.  If
> somebody sees the importance of a certain feature then by all means
> let them map it.
>
> If I can collect data for breeding sites of all the endangered bird
> species (and I think it is important) I will possibly map it here.
>
> I agree there should be some limits and priorities (at the moment) but
> I am hopeful we will get to a point where we will map individual
> houses with addresses


I disagree that the limits are there just for the moment. I think there
should be a limit imposed at all times (the limit can move over time, but
there is still a limit). For instance, Wikipedia has guidelines on what is
NOT acceptable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT) eventhough the presence
of those guidelines run counter to Wikipedia's lofty aim to be the "sum of
all human knowledge".

I think individual features for detached residential houses are OK, but I
really don't think we need to place a point for every unit in high-rise
condominiums.


On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
> wrote:
> > It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the Jollibee, McDonald's, and
> > Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm wondering if this is wise.
> Do
> > we mark out every retail store, every bank branch, every Western
> > Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office in OSM? My personal
> take
> > is that we don't need to.
> >
> > One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall that have hundreds
> of
> > tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and edit overlapping POIs in
> > such a small land area.
> >
> > I feel that the level of detail we should attain is down to the building
> > level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in Megamall Building A, then
> it's
> > enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not where the Jollibee
> > there is exactly.
> >
> > In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be added for anchor
> tenants,
> > like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE Hardware, SM
> Supermarket,
> > SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark out each and every
> > McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's, BPI, Chinabank, etc. in
> the
> > mall.
> >
> > A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is better suited to
> > something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale <
> emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> What I mean is address information (we've discussed it already, and
> >> agreed it is important, unless I'm mistaken) not specific business
> >> establishment (although it is attached to the address).  We also have
> >> numerous POIs added already.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ahmed Farooq 
> wrote:
> >> > I don’t think adding business data to OSM is a good idea - that data
> >> > changes far too often and is far more complex in upkeep.
> >> >
> >> > -A
> >> >
> >
> > --
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> >
>
>
>
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> maning
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Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[Rally de Leon]

If you have access to (data of) all locations of Jollibee, McDonalds,
7-Eleven, Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big companies, by all means
mark them. With the exceptions of those already inside big malls (which will
just clutter the map); we only need the mall-building itself as a landmark
(POI) together with position of entrance gates and parking lots.

It's not that we are adveritising their brands (resto and convenience
stores) for free, but I think putting these "free-standing buildings"
bigger-brand establishments serve as very good "landmarks" on the map for
many years to come. Map users will have an easier time determing their
location (whether they be looking at it on paper, tiny mobile device, or pc
screen) without the use of gps, if they can see the establisment's big
signboards from where they are standing. Doesn't have to look for street
signs. It's easy to corelate. The good thing about these establishments is
that they don't close their business as often as those poorly-managed bars
and restaurants like in some areas. And we don't need to update them that
often either. The same reason why I also collect those Iglesia Ni Cristo
church locations (beside the Catholic churches and other churches), is
because their pointed-buildings structure are easy to spot from a distance
(not that I advertise their religion).

One good purpose of our POI's are for landmarks, so that we need to ensure
that the ones we mark are only those that will most likely last for many
years. Unless there's some exceptionally interesting POI's that need to be
shared (for the current generations) eg. good fishball or isaw stand or
fried itik, bulalohan and some other good eats. :-)

Do include Locksmiths and good Vulcanizing shops in your POI collections,
coz you'll never know when you or your friend will lock the key inside the
car, or have a flat tire without a good spare.

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

> It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the Jollibee, McDonald's, and
> Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm wondering if this is wise. Do
> we mark out every retail store, every bank branch, every Western
> Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office in OSM? My personal take
> is that we don't need to.
>
> One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall that have hundreds
> of tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and edit overlapping POIs in
> such a small land area.
>
> I feel that the level of detail we should attain is down to the building
> level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in Megamall Building A, then it's
> enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not where the Jollibee
> there is exactly.
>
> In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be added for anchor tenants,
> like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE Hardware, SM Supermarket,
> SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark out each and every
> McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's, BPI, Chinabank, etc. in the
> mall.
>
> A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is better suited to
> something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale <
> emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What I mean is address information (we've discussed it already, and
>> agreed it is important, unless I'm mistaken) not specific business
>> establishment (although it is attached to the address).  We also have
>> numerous POIs added already.
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ahmed Farooq 
>> wrote:
>> > I don’t think adding business data to OSM is a good idea - that data
>> changes far too often and is far more complex in upkeep.
>> >
>> > -A
>> >
>>
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[talk-ph] POIs Part 2

[Ahmed Farooq]

Hi All,

 

I have to add - have you seen the Boracay map? While it looks fantastic that
it is all mapped out, naming each resort/business there has lead to a map
that looks absolutely bloated and is unreadable at times.

 

For example
http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/map/c/11.960549689657205/121.925368309021/17
/ - "Mango Ray Shenna's Resort" - are those two places? One? Which building
is covered by their name? Multiple buildings or just one?

 

A POI should be a notable location that a tourist may be interested in - a
statue, a building, even a public transit location. But specific businesses
(be it fast food joints or specific resorts) only create clutter and a mess
- which will only get worse as businesses are created and others go out of
business.

 

Having too much data (especially as part of the primary data set) is
contrary to the spirit of an open user-maintained map.

 

-A

 

 

From: talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Alvin Villar
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:28 AM
To: maning sambale
Cc: OSM
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

 

 

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:18 PM, maning sambale 
wrote:

Just my take,
1.  If it's on the ground it should be mapped.


This is a good guideline in general but of course a line has to be drawn
somewhere (pun not intended). I don't think drawing the individual stripes
of a pedestrian walkway is productive even if it *is* on the ground. A map
is supposed to be a representation--not a facsimile of the real world.
That's why we represent roads in OSM using center lines and not (at the
moment) as areas.
 

2.  If somebody bothered to map fishball vendors in Luneta, nobody's
stopping him.

 
Fishball vendors are probably not a good example for your point since they
are too ephemeral to be mapped. But anyway, OSM is a community project and
we work on consensus. While we do encourage people to map what they think
are important, I don't think we should just let people map things like
"Location of Mark and Jenny's first kiss", right?

3 years ago (am I that old in OSM?), my only goal is to map major
highways around the metro, now it's there.  But we want more.  We've
mapped footways, cycleways, I even saw driveways somewhere.  If
somebody sees the importance of a certain feature then by all means
let them map it.

If I can collect data for breeding sites of all the endangered bird
species (and I think it is important) I will possibly map it here.

I agree there should be some limits and priorities (at the moment) but
I am hopeful we will get to a point where we will map individual
houses with addresses


I disagree that the limits are there just for the moment. I think there
should be a limit imposed at all times (the limit can move over time, but
there is still a limit). For instance, Wikipedia has guidelines on what is
NOT acceptable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT) eventhough the presence
of those guidelines run counter to Wikipedia's lofty aim to be the "sum of
all human knowledge".

I think individual features for detached residential houses are OK, but I
really don't think we need to place a point for every unit in high-rise
condominiums.



On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:
> It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the Jollibee, McDonald's, and
> Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm wondering if this is wise.
Do
> we mark out every retail store, every bank branch, every Western
> Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office in OSM? My personal
take
> is that we don't need to.
>
> One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall that have hundreds
of
> tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and edit overlapping POIs in
> such a small land area.
>
> I feel that the level of detail we should attain is down to the building
> level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in Megamall Building A, then
it's
> enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not where the Jollibee
> there is exactly.
>
> In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be added for anchor
tenants,
> like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE Hardware, SM
Supermarket,
> SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark out each and every
> McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's, BPI, Chinabank, etc. in the
> mall.
>
> A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is better suited to
> something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale

> wrote:
>>
>> What I mean is address information (we've discussed it already, and
>> agreed it is important, unless I'm mistaken) not specific business
>> establishment (although it is attached to the address).  We also have
>> numerous POIs added already.
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ahmed Farooq 
wrote:
>> > I don't think adding business data to OSM is a good idea - that data
>> > changes far

Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Rally de Leon  wrote:

> If you have access to (data of) all locations of Jollibee, McDonalds,
> 7-Eleven, Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big companies, by all means
> mark them. With the exceptions of those already inside big malls (which will
> just clutter the map); we only need the mall-building itself as a landmark
> (POI) together with position of entrance gates and parking lots.
>

Well, my idea is that if a McDo branch exists as a standalone building then
there's no problem drawing the building outline and adding name=McDonald's,
amenity=fastfood to it. But, as you've said, I don't think that means that
we should also place a point for the McDonald's inside Robinsons Galleria.

This implies that one *cannot* query the OSM database and get the coordinate
locations of *all* the McDonald's branches in Metro Manila (you'll only get
partial info). To get the full information, one should look elsewhere (e.g.,
go to www.mcdonaldsph.com, or look at ClicktheCity.com, or even start an
OpenYellowPages) then geocode the obtained addresses using street data from
OSM to get the actual coordinates. This actually helps create mashups
applications using OSM as a tool.


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Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.]

Eugene, I think what you suggest sound sensible. Could we use this as a
rule of thumb:
"If it has a door out to street level, then it can be mapped as a POI".
This way, a shop or fast foot outlet in a mall can be mapped only if
they have a separate entrance. All other shops are *inside* the mall.
This way it's also consistent with for example a Jollibee that is
located on the ground floor of an office building, as it will have its
own entrance.
Ronny.

Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Rally de Leon  > wrote:
>
> If you have access to (data of) all locations of Jollibee,
> McDonalds, 7-Eleven, Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big
> companies, by all means mark them. With the exceptions of those
> already inside big malls (which will just clutter the map); we
> only need the mall-building itself as a landmark (POI) together
> with position of entrance gates and parking lots.
>
>
> Well, my idea is that if a McDo branch exists as a standalone building
> then there's no problem drawing the building outline and adding
> name=McDonald's, amenity=fastfood to it. But, as you've said, I don't
> think that means that we should also place a point for the McDonald's
> inside Robinsons Galleria.
>
> This implies that one *cannot* query the OSM database and get the
> coordinate locations of *all* the McDonald's branches in Metro Manila
> (you'll only get partial info). To get the full information, one
> should look elsewhere (e.g., go to www.mcdonaldsph.com
> , or look at ClicktheCity.com, or even
> start an OpenYellowPages) then geocode the obtained addresses using
> street data from OSM to get the actual coordinates. This actually
> helps create mashups applications using OSM as a tool.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] POIs Part 2

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Ahmed Farooq  wrote:

>  I have to add – have you seen the Boracay map? While it looks fantastic
> that it is all mapped out, naming each resort/business there has lead to a
> map that looks absolutely bloated and is unreadable at times.
>
> For example
> http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/map/c/11.960549689657205/121.925368309021/17/-
>  “Mango Ray Shenna’s Resort” – are those two places? One? Which building is
> covered by their name? Multiple buildings or just one?
>
This is a rendering problem, not a problem of data collection. It's
theoretically possible to add more metadata to those resorts (like N-star
rating) so that a renderer can choose to, say, display only 4- and 5-star
resorts so as not to clutter a general-purpose map. This can be tied to zoom
levels so that at a low zoom level, only Boracay Regency, Discovery Shores,
Friday's, Shangri-La Boracay, etc. will be displayed or labeled. At higher
zoom levels, more detail and labels can then be displayed.

 A POI should be a notable location that a tourist may be interested in – a
> statue, a building, even a public transit location. But specific businesses
> (be it fast food joints or specific resorts) only create clutter and a mess
> – which will only get worse as businesses are created and others go out of
> business.
>
> Having too much data (especially as part of the primary data set) is
> contrary to the spirit of an open user-maintained map.
>
Well, I generally think that some types or classes of data are good
additions to the primary data set.

For instance, Asiatype publishes a paper map of the Makati CBD and Ortigas
business districts showing the locations of all the buildings. I don't think
having those buildings in OSM is "too much data". Likewise, I think the
location of all resorts in Boracay is a class of data that would be a good
addition to OSM.

Detached (as in stand-alone) restaurants and other dining places are OK in
my opinion; they provide vital landmark info as Rally has said.

On the other hand, I oppose the systematic addition of *all* tenants inside
shopping malls. Some are OK (like the anchor tenants that I've mentioned in
a previous e-mail).


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Re: [talk-ph] POIs Part 2

[Ahmed Farooq]

Right - it isn't just about the rendering, but about the underlying data. A
POI should be considered a universal point of interest - ala a landmark of
building that would be included in a 'Guide to XXX City'. Loading up on all
the businesses is changing from being a map to a yellowpages - which is fine
if that is the idea of the project. Keeping this data upto date is far
harder than actual pathways - and once businesses are no longer operating,
the data will be bad - and that is a dangerous path to go down.

 

-A

 

 

From: Eugene Alvin Villar [mailto:sea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:58 AM
To: Ahmed Farooq
Cc: maning sambale; OSM
Subject: Re: POIs Part 2

 

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Ahmed Farooq  wrote:

I have to add - have you seen the Boracay map? While it looks fantastic that
it is all mapped out, naming each resort/business there has lead to a map
that looks absolutely bloated and is unreadable at times.

For example
http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/map/c/11.960549689657205/121.925368309021/17
/ - "Mango Ray Shenna's Resort" - are those two places? One? Which building
is covered by their name? Multiple buildings or just one?

This is a rendering problem, not a problem of data collection. It's
theoretically possible to add more metadata to those resorts (like N-star
rating) so that a renderer can choose to, say, display only 4- and 5-star
resorts so as not to clutter a general-purpose map. This can be tied to zoom
levels so that at a low zoom level, only Boracay Regency, Discovery Shores,
Friday's, Shangri-La Boracay, etc. will be displayed or labeled. At higher
zoom levels, more detail and labels can then be displayed.

A POI should be a notable location that a tourist may be interested in - a
statue, a building, even a public transit location. But specific businesses
(be it fast food joints or specific resorts) only create clutter and a mess
- which will only get worse as businesses are created and others go out of
business.

Having too much data (especially as part of the primary data set) is
contrary to the spirit of an open user-maintained map.

Well, I generally think that some types or classes of data are good
additions to the primary data set.

For instance, Asiatype publishes a paper map of the Makati CBD and Ortigas
business districts showing the locations of all the buildings. I don't think
having those buildings in OSM is "too much data". Likewise, I think the
location of all resorts in Boracay is a class of data that would be a good
addition to OSM.

Detached (as in stand-alone) restaurants and other dining places are OK in
my opinion; they provide vital landmark info as Rally has said.

On the other hand, I oppose the systematic addition of *all* tenants inside
shopping malls. Some are OK (like the anchor tenants that I've mentioned in
a previous e-mail).


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Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8

[noel mondragon]

s important) I will possibly map
> it here.
> 
> I agree there should be some limits and priorities (at the
> moment) but
> I am hopeful we will get to a point where we will map
> individual
> houses with addresses
> 
> 
> I disagree that the limits are there just for the moment. I
> think there
> should be a limit imposed at all times (the limit can move
> over time, but
> there is still a limit). For instance, Wikipedia has
> guidelines on what is
> NOT acceptable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT)
> eventhough the presence
> of those guidelines run counter to Wikipedia's lofty
> aim to be the "sum of
> all human knowledge".
> 
> I think individual features for detached residential houses
> are OK, but I
> really don't think we need to place a point for every
> unit in high-rise
> condominiums.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar
> 
> wrote:
> > It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the
> Jollibee, McDonald's, and
> > Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm
> wondering if this is wise.
> Do
> > we mark out every retail store, every bank branch,
> every Western
> > Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office
> in OSM? My personal
> take
> > is that we don't need to.
> >
> > One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall
> that have hundreds
> of
> > tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and
> edit overlapping POIs in
> > such a small land area.
> >
> > I feel that the level of detail we should attain is
> down to the building
> > level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in
> Megamall Building A, then
> it's
> > enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not
> where the Jollibee
> > there is exactly.
> >
> > In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be
> added for anchor
> tenants,
> > like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE
> Hardware, SM
> Supermarket,
> > SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark
> out each and every
> > McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's,
> BPI, Chinabank, etc. in the
> > mall.
> >
> > A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is
> better suited to
> > something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale
> 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> What I mean is address information (we've
> discussed it already, and
> >> agreed it is important, unless I'm mistaken)
> not specific business
> >> establishment (although it is attached to the
> address).  We also have
> >> numerous POIs added already.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ahmed Farooq
> 
> wrote:
> >> > I don't think adding business data to OSM
> is a good idea - that data
> >> > changes far too often and is far more complex
> in upkeep.
> >> >
> >> > -A
> >> >
> >
> > --
> > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> > If you have access to (data of) all locations of
> Jollibee, McDonalds,
> > 7-Eleven, Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big
> companies, by all means
> > mark them. With the exceptions of those already inside
> big malls (which will
> > just clutter the map); we only need the mall-building
> itself as a landm

Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8

[Ahmed Farooq]

ound the metro, now it's there.  But we want
> more.  We've
> mapped footways, cycleways, I even saw driveways somewhere.
>  If
> somebody sees the importance of a certain feature then by
> all means
> let them map it.
> 
> If I can collect data for breeding sites of all the
> endangered bird
> species (and I think it is important) I will possibly map
> it here.
> 
> I agree there should be some limits and priorities (at the
> moment) but
> I am hopeful we will get to a point where we will map
> individual
> houses with addresses
> 
> 
> I disagree that the limits are there just for the moment. I
> think there
> should be a limit imposed at all times (the limit can move
> over time, but
> there is still a limit). For instance, Wikipedia has
> guidelines on what is
> NOT acceptable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT)
> eventhough the presence
> of those guidelines run counter to Wikipedia's lofty
> aim to be the "sum of
> all human knowledge".
> 
> I think individual features for detached residential houses
> are OK, but I
> really don't think we need to place a point for every
> unit in high-rise
> condominiums.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar
> 
> wrote:
> > It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the
> Jollibee, McDonald's, and
> > Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm
> wondering if this is wise.
> Do
> > we mark out every retail store, every bank branch,
> every Western
> > Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office
> in OSM? My personal
> take
> > is that we don't need to.
> >
> > One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall
> that have hundreds
> of
> > tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and
> edit overlapping POIs in
> > such a small land area.
> >
> > I feel that the level of detail we should attain is
> down to the building
> > level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in
> Megamall Building A, then
> it's
> > enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not
> where the Jollibee
> > there is exactly.
> >
> > In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be
> added for anchor
> tenants,
> > like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE
> Hardware, SM
> Supermarket,
> > SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark
> out each and every
> > McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's,
> BPI, Chinabank, etc. in the
> > mall.
> >
> > A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is
> better suited to
> > something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale
> 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> What I mean is address information (we've
> discussed it already, and
> >> agreed it is important, unless I'm mistaken)
> not specific business
> >> establishment (although it is attached to the
> address).  We also have
> >> numerous POIs added already.
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ahmed Farooq
> 
> wrote:
> >> > I don't think adding business data to OSM
> is a good idea - that data
> >> > changes far too often and is far more complex
> in upkeep.
> >> >
> >> > -A
> >> >
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Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Noel, what's wrong with omitting the names from the drugstores and fastfood
outlets?

While OSM is a free/open-content project, it is commerce-agnostic. Take note
that Wikipedia has articles on fastfood  (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jollibee) and drugstore (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Drug) franchises and there's nothing
wrong with that. Likewise, there's nothing wrong with adding the names of
commercial entities in OSM.

For example, here's McDonald's Eastwood Citywalk 1 where I'm having
breakfast right now and typing this e-mail:
http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.608905&lon=121.080087&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF

Take note that the only info that you can get here is that there's a
stand-alone building for a fastfood outlet named McDonald's. There's no
delivery number, no promos, no ads, nothing besides the location info, which
is part of what OSM is.



On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:22 AM, noel mondragon wrote:

>
> My suggestion is that we can POI like drugstores, fastfood but we will not
> put the name like McDonalds or Jollibee or Mercury Drugstore??or resort? Is
> it that feasible. It will make the OSM as commercially-oriented if we put
> commercial establishments with names
>
> Comments? thanks.
>
> -noel
> <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/attachments/20090506/481dacab/attachment.htm>


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Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Ahmed, there's nothing wrong with adding commercial POIs in a
general-purpose map even if its significance is not on a national-level.

If you think that this will impact on possible advertising revenues from OSM
end-users, I don't think that the effect is significant.

The valid point that you've raised is that it'll be harder to maintain this
data since businesses come and go, but I think some such data is useful and
we just need to strike a balance between comprehensiveness and
maintainability.


On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Ahmed Farooq  wrote:

> Im personally against all commercial POIs, unless they are a country-wide
> landmark (eg a baseball stadium).
>



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Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8

[Ahmed Farooq]

Oh I'm not one bit concerned about advertising etc - having worked in the
local business space for 5+ years, I know how hard it is keeping the data
upto date, and decaying data is bad.

 

Wikipedia has entries for famous fast food joints - because of the interest
in their story and so forth. Think of a map you would buy if you are a
tourist to the city - it would have landmarks (possibly commercial ones
too), but it would not have any ol' common listing - it clutters up the map,
and can cause headaches down the road (businesses threatening to sue because
the name is wrong, threatening to sue because they didn't want to be listed,
complaining about competitors, etc etc).

 

Going from mapping to business listings can open up a whole can of forms -
and if the community decides to do it anyway, I can understand that, but I
am simply trying to voice concerns that will be run into.

 

-A

 

 

From: Eugene Alvin Villar [mailto:sea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:59 PM
To: Ahmed Farooq
Cc: noel mondragon; talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8

 

Ahmed, there's nothing wrong with adding commercial POIs in a
general-purpose map even if its significance is not on a national-level.

If you think that this will impact on possible advertising revenues from OSM
end-users, I don't think that the effect is significant.

The valid point that you've raised is that it'll be harder to maintain this
data since businesses come and go, but I think some such data is useful and
we just need to strike a balance between comprehensiveness and
maintainability.



On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Ahmed Farooq  wrote:

Im personally against all commercial POIs, unless they are a country-wide
landmark (eg a baseball stadium).




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Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[maning sambale]

Just a short note (need to work),  this discussion is really
interesting.  I hope we can document/summarize and convert to a useful
mapping convention.  Keep it coming. :)

On 5/7/09, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.  wrote:
> Eugene, I think what you suggest sound sensible. Could we use this as a
> rule of thumb:
> "If it has a door out to street level, then it can be mapped as a POI".
> This way, a shop or fast foot outlet in a mall can be mapped only if
> they have a separate entrance. All other shops are *inside* the mall.
> This way it's also consistent with for example a Jollibee that is
> located on the ground floor of an office building, as it will have its
> own entrance.
> Ronny.
>
> Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Rally de Leon > > wrote:
>>
>> If you have access to (data of) all locations of Jollibee,
>> McDonalds, 7-Eleven, Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big
>> companies, by all means mark them. With the exceptions of those
>> already inside big malls (which will just clutter the map); we
>> only need the mall-building itself as a landmark (POI) together
>> with position of entrance gates and parking lots.
>>
>>
>> Well, my idea is that if a McDo branch exists as a standalone building
>> then there's no problem drawing the building outline and adding
>> name=McDonald's, amenity=fastfood to it. But, as you've said, I don't
>> think that means that we should also place a point for the McDonald's
>> inside Robinsons Galleria.
>>
>> This implies that one *cannot* query the OSM database and get the
>> coordinate locations of *all* the McDonald's branches in Metro Manila
>> (you'll only get partial info). To get the full information, one
>> should look elsewhere (e.g., go to www.mcdonaldsph.com
>> , or look at ClicktheCity.com, or even
>> start an OpenYellowPages) then geocode the obtained addresses using
>> street data from OSM to get the actual coordinates. This actually
>> helps create mashups applications using OSM as a tool.
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[Marloue Pidor]

In this case

http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.078087&lon=125.614181&zoom=18&layers=B00
0FTF

Only KFC, Gerry's Grill and Pizza Hut have street level/accessible
entrance. So if we agree on that "rule of thumb" to mapped only if they
have a separate entrance. Should I remove Jollibee and McDonald's? Or
retain the data as long as it is not cluttered?

And in another case

http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.062681&lon=125.593989&zoom=18&layers=B00
0FTF

All of these food chains do not have a street level entrance.


murlwe

<-Original Message-> 
>From: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. [...@develo.ltd.uk]
>Sent: 5/7/2009 12:05:36 AM
>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the
City)
>
>Eugene, I think what you suggest sound sensible. Could we use this as a
rule of
>thumb:
>"If it has a door out to street level, then it can be mapped as a POI".
>This way, a shop or fast foot outlet in a mall can be mapped only if
they have a
>separate entrance. All other shops are *inside* the mall. This way it's
also
>consistent with for example a Jollibee that is located on the ground
floor of an
>office building, as it will have its own entrance.
>Ronny.
>
>Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: 
>On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Rally de Leon 
wrote:
>
>If you have access to (data of) all locations of Jollibee, McDonalds,
7-Eleven,
>Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big companies, by all means mark
them.
>With the exceptions of those already inside big malls (which will just
clutter
>the map); we only need the mall-building itself as a landmark (POI)
together
>with position of entrance gates and parking lots. 
>
>
>Well, my idea is that if a McDo branch exists as a standalone building
then
>there's no problem drawing the building outline and adding
name=McDonald's,
>amenity=fastfood to it. But, as you've said, I don't think that means
that we
>should also place a point for the McDonald's inside Robinsons Galleria.
>
>This implies that one *cannot* query the OSM database and get the
coordinate
>locations of *all* the McDonald's branches in Metro Manila (you'll only
get
>partial info). To get the full information, one should look elsewhere
(e.g., go
>to www.mcdonaldsph.com, or look at ClicktheCity.com, or even start an
>OpenYellowPages) then geocode the obtained addresses using street data
from OSM
>to get the actual coordinates. This actually helps create mashups
applications
>using OSM as a tool.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8

[Marloue Pidor]

Noel,

This is my opinion...

It is feasible but not practical, the names of the establishments will
be used as our points of interest (POI). My point is, those
establishments is on the ground and should be mapped and identified. OSM
will not become as you say it "commercially-oriented" instead, it will
be very useful to have those POIs intact. For example, if you are
looking for Mercury Drug because it is your preferred drugstore then if
the scenario is all the names of these drugstores were removed, you will
be guessing and hoping that the next drugstore is the one you preferred.
Its really hard to use the map that way. In my case I downloaded the OSM
tiles into my Palm (osm2palm) and I use it whenever I'm in Manila the
establishment's names were very useful for me to identify my location in
the map.


murlwe

<-Original Message-> 
>From: noel mondragon [noel_pylo...@yahoo.com]
>Sent: 5/7/2009 8:23:11 AM
>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8
>
>My suggestion is that we can POI like drugstores, fastfood but we will
not put
>the name like McDonalds or Jollibee or Mercury Drugstore??or resort? Is
it that
>feasible. It will make the OSM as commercially-oriented if we put
commercial
>establishments with names
>
>Comments? thanks.
>
>-noel
>
>
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> wrote:
>
>> From: talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org
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>> Subject: talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8
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>> 3. Re: What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the
>> City)
>> (Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.)
>> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:40:05 -0400
>> From: "Ahmed Farooq" 
>> Subject: [talk-ph] POIs Part 2
>> To: "'Eugene Alvin Villar'"
>> , "'maning
>> sambale'"
>> 
>> Cc: 'OSM' 
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have to add - have you seen the Boracay map? While it
>> looks fantastic that
>> it is all mapped out, naming each resort/business there has
>> lead to a map
>> that looks absolutely bloated and is unreadable at times.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For example
>>
http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/map/c/11.960549689657205/121.92536830902
1/17
>> / - "Mango Ray Shenna's Resort" - are those
>> two places? One? Which building
>> is covered by their name? Multiple buildings or just one?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A POI should be a notable location that a tourist may be
>> interested in - a
>> statue, a building, even a public transit location. But
>> specific businesses
>> (be it fast food joints or specific resorts) only create
>> clutter and a mess
>> - which will only get worse as businesses are created and
>> others go out of
>> business.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Having too much data (especially as part of the primary
>> data set) is
>> contrary to the spirit of an open user-maintained map.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -A
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org
>> [mailto:talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of
>> Eugene Alvin Villar
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:28 AM
>> To: maning sambale
>> Cc: OSM
>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was
>> Click the City)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:18 PM, maning sambale
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just my take,
>> 1. If it's on the ground it should be mapped.
>> 
>> 
>> This is a good guideline in general but of course a line
>> has to be drawn
>> somewhere (pun not intended). I don't think drawing the
>> individual stripes
>> of a pedestrian walkway is productive even if it *is* on
>> the ground. A map
>> is supposed to be a representation--not a facsimile of the
>> real world.
>> That's why we represent roads in OSM using center lines
>> and not (at the
>> moment) as areas.
>> 
>> 
>> 2. If somebody bothered to map fishball vendors in Luneta,
>> nobody's
>> stopping him.
>> 
>> 
>> Fishball vendors are probably not a good example for your
>> point since they
>> are too ephemeral to be mapped. But anyway, OSM is a
>> community project and
>> we work on consensus. While we do encourage people to map
>> what they think
>> are important, I don't think we should just let people
>> map things l

Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[Ed Garcia]

Guys,

just merging the thoughts on "qualifying" POIs ...

how about, in addition to a POI having a street level entrance, we consider
if the POI has prominent building signage?  Some POIs may be inside a
building but have very visible signage outside or in front of the building
that serve as very good landmarks.

:>) ed

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Marloue Pidor wrote:

>  In this case
>
>
> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.078087&lon=125.614181&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF
>
> Only KFC, Gerry's Grill and Pizza Hut have street level/accessible
> entrance. So if we agree on that "rule of thumb" to mapped only if they have
> a separate entrance. Should I remove Jollibee and McDonald's? Or retain the
> data as long as it is not cluttered?
>
> And in another case
>
>
> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.062681&lon=125.593989&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF
>
> All of these food chains do not have a street level entrance.
>
>
> murlwe
>
> <-Original Message->
> >From: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. [...@develo.ltd.uk]
> >Sent: 5/7/2009 12:05:36 AM
> >To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> >Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)
> >
> >Eugene, I think what you suggest sound sensible. Could we use this as a
> rule of
> >thumb:
> >"If it has a door out to street level, then it can be mapped as a POI".
> >This way, a shop or fast foot outlet in a mall can be mapped only if they
> have a
> >separate entrance. All other shops are *inside* the mall. This way it's
> also
> >consistent with for example a Jollibee that is located on the ground floor
> of an
> >office building, as it will have its own entrance.
> >Ronny.
> >
> >Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> >On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Rally de Leon  wrote:
> >
> >If you have access to (data of) all locations of Jollibee, McDonalds,
> 7-Eleven,
> >Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big companies, by all means mark
> them.
> >With the exceptions of those already inside big malls (which will just
> clutter
> >the map); we only need the mall-building itself as a landmark (POI)
> together
> >with position of entrance gates and parking lots.
> >
> >
> >Well, my idea is that if a McDo branch exists as a standalone building
> then
> >there's no problem drawing the building outline and adding
> name=McDonald's,
> >amenity=fastfood to it. But, as you've said, I don't think that means that
> we
> >should also place a point for the McDonald's inside Robinsons Galleria.
> >
> >This implies that one *cannot* query the OSM database and get the
> coordinate
> >locations of *all* the McDonald's branches in Metro Manila (you'll only
> get
> >partial info). To get the full information, one should look elsewhere
> (e.g., go
> >to www.mcdonaldsph.com, or look at ClicktheCity.com, or even start an
> >OpenYellowPages) then geocode the obtained addresses using street data
> from OSM
> >to get the actual coordinates. This actually helps create mashups
> applications
> >using OSM as a tool.
> >
> >
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Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[Michael Cole]

My 2 Centavos on Commercial Establishments,

It is nice to see them on the map but I find that the work to maintain these is 
going to get very difficult and a bulk load is just asking for problems.

Using the Wikipedia data before I found many were out of location or just plain 
wrong, Thus the work to fix is quite a lot and is discouraging at times.

If we just take Makati for an example the police station moved, I thought it 
had and checked the site. Now i live down the road from this and it was not 
updated.

I have tried to move it and checking now at least it is no longer out side the 
city hall which is shown but the police and the fire station have both 
disappeared from where they are 
meant to be..

Now moving down the road from Makati City hall we have McDo but Jollibee which 
is has more customers is not labeled, nor is the fast food shop across the 
street.

So do we want the head ache..

If you work for the establishment EG: McDo Philippines then go ahead and keep 
it up to date...

If you don't then don't add them... 

Places of Cultural Value all should be added first.. (and they don't move..)

Moving further out we have at Jupiter and Makati Ave a McDo listed but once 
again in the wrong place.

Now does it mean that since I live here close I have to double check every week 
the data?  What happens when I move again?

Do I only add the ones I like? And then add bias to the maps? Better to 
exclude..  What happens if I dont like and add it in the wrong place on purpose?

These are my 2 Centavo's


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Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[Marloue Pidor]

It seems to be a good idea but most of these food chains are located in
front and in most cases on the ground floor/street level and most of
them have a visible signage. Take for example Glorietta, most of the
establishments have street level entrance 

Suggestion:
maybe we can add these mall POIs in such a way that it is not confusing
and overwhelming. 

When I say overwhelming, think of Mall of Asia if we add all
establishments with street level entrance it would literally darken the
perimeter of the building with all the POIs. Well this is just my
thoughts and I could be wrong. :)


murlwe

<-Original Message-> 
>From: Ed Garcia [eppgar...@gmail.com]
>Sent: 5/7/2009 10:21:44 AM
>To: mur...@mail2engineer.com
>Cc: r...@develo.ltd.uk;talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the
City)
>
>Guys,
>
>just merging the thoughts on "qualifying" POIs ... 
>
>how about, in addition to a POI having a street level entrance, we
consider if
>the POI has prominent building signage? Some POIs may be inside a
building but
>have very visible signage outside or in front of the building that
serve as very
>good landmarks.
>
>:>) ed
>
>
>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Marloue Pidor
 wrote:
>
>In this case
>
>http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.078087&lon=125.614181&zoom=18&layers=B0
00FTF
>
>Only KFC, Gerry's Grill and Pizza Hut have street level/accessible
entrance. So
>if we agree on that "rule of thumb" to mapped only if they have a
separate
>entrance. Should I remove Jollibee and McDonald's? Or retain the data
as long as
>it is not cluttered?
>
>And in another case
>
>http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.062681&lon=125.593989&zoom=18&layers=B0
00FTF
>
>All of these food chains do not have a street level entrance.
>
>
>murlwe
>
>
><-Original Message-> 
>>From: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. [...@develo.ltd.uk]
>>Sent: 5/7/2009 12:05:36 AM
>>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the
City)
>>
>>Eugene, I think what you suggest sound sensible. Could we use this as
a rule of
>>thumb:
>>"If it has a door out to street level, then it can be mapped as a
POI".
>>This way, a shop or fast foot outlet in a mall can be mapped only if
they have a
>>separate entrance. All other shops are *inside* the mall. This way
it's also
>>consistent with for example a Jollibee that is located on the ground
floor of an
>>office building, as it will have its own entrance.
>>Ronny.
>>
>>Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: 
>
>>On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Rally de Leon 
wrote:
>>
>>If you have access to (data of) all locations of Jollibee, McDonalds,
7-Eleven,
>>Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big companies, by all means
mark them.
>>With the exceptions of those already inside big malls (which will just
clutter
>>the map); we only need the mall-building itself as a landmark (POI)
together
>>with position of entrance gates and parking lots. 
>>
>>
>>Well, my idea is that if a McDo branch exists as a standalone building
then
>>there's no problem drawing the building outline and adding
name=McDonald's,
>>amenity=fastfood to it. But, as you've said, I don't think that means
that we
>>should also place a point for the McDonald's inside Robinsons
Galleria.
>>
>>This implies that one *cannot* query the OSM database and get the
coordinate
>>locations of *all* the McDonald's branches in Metro Manila (you'll
only get
>>partial info). To get the full information, one should look elsewhere
(e.g., go
>
>>to www.mcdonaldsph.com, or look at ClicktheCity.com, or even start an
>
>>OpenYellowPages) then geocode the obtained addresses using street data
from OSM
>>to get the actual coordinates. This actually helps create mashups
applications
>>using OSM as a tool.
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

[maning sambale]

Just a thought, imagine osm tokyo japan contemplating on this issue.
That would be one hell of a mapping problem. hehehe

But I digress, please move on ...

On 5/7/09, Marloue Pidor  wrote:
> It seems to be a good idea but most of these food chains are located in
> front and in most cases on the ground floor/street level and most of
> them have a visible signage. Take for example Glorietta, most of the
> establishments have street level entrance
>
> Suggestion:
> maybe we can add these mall POIs in such a way that it is not confusing
> and overwhelming.
>
> When I say overwhelming, think of Mall of Asia if we add all
> establishments with street level entrance it would literally darken the
> perimeter of the building with all the POIs. Well this is just my
> thoughts and I could be wrong. :)
>
>
> murlwe
>
> <-Original Message->
>>From: Ed Garcia [eppgar...@gmail.com]
>>Sent: 5/7/2009 10:21:44 AM
>>To: mur...@mail2engineer.com
>>Cc: r...@develo.ltd.uk;talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the
> City)
>>
>>Guys,
>>
>>just merging the thoughts on "qualifying" POIs ...
>>
>>how about, in addition to a POI having a street level entrance, we
> consider if
>>the POI has prominent building signage? Some POIs may be inside a
> building but
>>have very visible signage outside or in front of the building that
> serve as very
>>good landmarks.
>>
>>:>) ed
>>
>>
>>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Marloue Pidor
>  wrote:
>>
>>In this case
>>
>>http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.078087&lon=125.614181&zoom=18&layers=B0
> 00FTF
>>
>>Only KFC, Gerry's Grill and Pizza Hut have street level/accessible
> entrance. So
>>if we agree on that "rule of thumb" to mapped only if they have a
> separate
>>entrance. Should I remove Jollibee and McDonald's? Or retain the data
> as long as
>>it is not cluttered?
>>
>>And in another case
>>
>>http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.062681&lon=125.593989&zoom=18&layers=B0
> 00FTF
>>
>>All of these food chains do not have a street level entrance.
>>
>>
>>murlwe
>>
>>
>><-Original Message->
>>>From: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. [...@develo.ltd.uk]
>>>Sent: 5/7/2009 12:05:36 AM
>>>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the
> City)
>>>
>>>Eugene, I think what you suggest sound sensible. Could we use this as
> a rule of
>>>thumb:
>>>"If it has a door out to street level, then it can be mapped as a
> POI".
>>>This way, a shop or fast foot outlet in a mall can be mapped only if
> they have a
>>>separate entrance. All other shops are *inside* the mall. This way
> it's also
>>>consistent with for example a Jollibee that is located on the ground
> floor of an
>>>office building, as it will have its own entrance.
>>>Ronny.
>>>
>>>Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Rally de Leon 
> wrote:
>>>
>>>If you have access to (data of) all locations of Jollibee, McDonalds,
> 7-Eleven,
>>>Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big companies, by all means
> mark them.
>>>With the exceptions of those already inside big malls (which will just
> clutter
>>>the map); we only need the mall-building itself as a landmark (POI)
> together
>>>with position of entrance gates and parking lots.
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, my idea is that if a McDo branch exists as a standalone building
> then
>>>there's no problem drawing the building outline and adding
> name=McDonald's,
>>>amenity=fastfood to it. But, as you've said, I don't think that means
> that we
>>>should also place a point for the McDonald's inside Robinsons
> Galleria.
>>>
>>>This implies that one *cannot* query the OSM database and get the
> coordinate
>>>locations of *all* the McDonald's branches in Metro Manila (you'll
> only get
>>>partial info). To get the full information, one should look elsewhere
> (e.g., go
>>
>>>to www.mcdonaldsph.com, or look at ClicktheCity.com, or even start an
>>
>>>OpenYellowPages) then geocode the obtained addresses using street data
> from OSM
>>>to get the actual coordinates. This actually helps create mashups
> applications
>>>using OSM as a tool.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11

[noel mondragon]

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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:55:54 -0700
> From: "Marloue Pidor"
> 
> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was
> Click the
>   City)
> To: 
> Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> Message-ID:
> <200d01c9ceb6$f4eea4e0$066a0...@mail2world.com>
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> 
> In this case
> 
> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.078087&lon=125.614181&zoom=18&layers=B00
> 0FTF
> 
> Only KFC, Gerry's Grill and Pizza Hut have street
> level/accessible
> entrance. So if we agree on that "rule of thumb"
> to mapped only if they
> have a separate entrance. Should I remove Jollibee and
> McDonald's? Or
> retain the data as long as it is not cluttered?
> 
> And in another case
> 
> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.062681&lon=125.593989&zoom=18&layers=B00
> 0FTF
> 
> All of these food chains do not have a street level
> entrance.
> 
> 
> murlwe
> 
> <-Original Message-> 
> >From: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. [...@develo.ltd.uk]
> >Sent: 5/7/2009 12:05:36 AM
> >To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> >Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add?
> (was Click the
> City)
> >
> >Eugene, I think what you suggest sound sensible. Could
> we use this as a
> rule of
> >thumb:
> >"If it has a door out to street level, then it can
> be mapped as a POI".
> >This way, a shop or fast foot outlet in a mall can be
> mapped only if
> they have a
> >separate entrance. All other shops are *inside* the
> mall. This way it's
> also
> >consistent with for example a Jollibee that is located
> on the ground
> floor of an
> >office building, as it will have its own entrance.
> >Ronny.
> >
> >Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: 
> >On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Rally de Leon
> 
> wrote:
> >
> >If you have access to (data of) all locations of
> Jollibee, McDonalds,
> 7-Eleven,
> >Ministops, Mercury Drugs and all these big companies,
> by all means mark
> them.
> >With the exceptions of those already inside big malls
> (which will just
> clutter
> >the map); we only need the mall-building itself as a
> landmark (POI)
> together
> >with position of entrance gates and parking lots. 
> >
> >
> >Well, my idea is that if a McDo branch exists as a
> standalone building
> then
> >there's no problem drawing the building outline and
> adding
> name=McDonald's,
> >amenity=fastfood to it. But, as you've said, I
> don't think that means
> that we
> >should also place a point for the McDonald's inside
> Robinsons Galleria.
> >
> >This implies that one *cannot* query the OSM database
> and get the
> coordinate
> >locations of *all* the McDonald's branches in Metro
> Manila (you'll only
> get
> >partial info). To get the full information, one should
> look elsewhere
> (e.g., go
> >to www.mcdonaldsph.com, or look at ClicktheCity.com, or
> even start an
> >OpenYellowPages) then geocode the obtained addresses
> using street data
> from OSM
> >to get the actual coordinates. This actually helps
> create mashups
> applications
> >using OSM as a tool.
> >
> >
> >
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> This is my opinion...
> 
> It is feasible but not practical

[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships

[maning sambale]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Mikel Maron 
Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships
To: t...@openstreetmap.org



The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover
full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of
the Map. We're seeking nominations from the community for potential
mappers.

Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would
prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places that are
"interesting" geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are
from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers
in total. They have made a significant start at mapping their city,
either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly
familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating
among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their
local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and
they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level.

We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away,
tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time
for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one
week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations
received, we'll review the list and choose 15 mappers to approach with
the offer. Depending on their availability to attend, we'll work our
way through the list. We only recently secured funding for this
program, so the process has to be quick.

Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each
nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address,
location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at
SOTM.

And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists.

As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but
nominations are not limited to these places at all.

* Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania.
* Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly
interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted.
* South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen
significant activities, relative to size and population they are in
the very early stages.
* Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
* South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in
government for the release of data for use in OSM.
* East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi,
AgCommons, MapMaker..)

Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen.

-Mikel

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Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships

[maning sambale]

We are mentioned here:
> * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
Anybody willing to represent OSM-PH?  I guess it's worth trying to
nominate one from the group.

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM, maning sambale
 wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Mikel Maron 
> Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships
> To: t...@openstreetmap.org
>
>
>
> The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover
> full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of
> the Map. We're seeking nominations from the community for potential
> mappers.
>
> Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would
> prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places that are
> "interesting" geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are
> from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers
> in total. They have made a significant start at mapping their city,
> either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly
> familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating
> among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their
> local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and
> they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level.
>
> We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away,
> tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time
> for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one
> week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations
> received, we'll review the list and choose 15 mappers to approach with
> the offer. Depending on their availability to attend, we'll work our
> way through the list. We only recently secured funding for this
> program, so the process has to be quick.
>
> Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each
> nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address,
> location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at
> SOTM.
>
> And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists.
>
> As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but
> nominations are not limited to these places at all.
>
> * Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania.
> * Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly
> interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted.
> * South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen
> significant activities, relative to size and population they are in
> the very early stages.
> * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
> * South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in
> government for the release of data for use in OSM.
> * East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi,
> AgCommons, MapMaker..)
>
> Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen.
>
> -Mikel
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Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14

[noel mondragon]

I nominate Maning Sambale for the convention.

,noel


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> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of
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> We are mentioned here:
> > * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
> Anybody willing to represent OSM-PH?  I guess it's
> worth trying to
> nominate one from the group.
> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM, maning sambale
>  wrote:
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Mikel Maron 
> > Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM
> > Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map
> Travel Scholarships
> > To: t...@openstreetmap.org
> >
> >
> >
> > The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a
> program to cover
> > full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to
> attend State of
> > the Map. We're seeking nominations from the
> community for potential
> > mappers.
> >
> > Generally, we are seeking people from places where
> costs would
> > prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places
> that are
> > "interesting" geopolitically. The ideal
> candidates for funding are
> > from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps
> just a few mappers
> > in total. They have made a significant start at
> mapping their city,
> > either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS,
> and are directly
> > familiar with the process of OSM. They may have
> started communicating
> > among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the
> process for their
> > local district. But, the community is nowhere near
> critical mass, and
> > they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to
> the next level.
> >
> > We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two
> months away,
> > tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to
> allow enough time
> > for all the arrangements, the nomination period will
> be short, one
> > week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the
> nominations
> > received, we'll review the list and choose 15
> mappers to approach with
> > the offer. Depending on their availability to attend,
> we'll work our
> > way through the list. We only recently secured funding
> for this
> > program, so the process has to be quick.
> >
> > Please send your nominations to
> sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each
> > nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name,
> email address,
> > location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be
> great to have at
> > SOTM.
> >
> > And also, please forward this message to other
> relevant local OSM lists.
> >
> > As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to
> fit the bill, but
> > nominations are not limited to these places at all.
> >
> > * Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria,
> Romania.
> > * Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is
> particularly
> > interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was
> recently lifted.
> > * South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries
> have seen
> > significant activities, relative to size and
> population they are in
> > the very early stages.
> > * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
> > * South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising
> leads in
> > government for the release of data for use in OSM.
> > * East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right
> now (Ushahidi,
> > AgCommons, MapMaker..)
> >
> > Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping
> make this happen.
> >
> > -Mikel
> >
> > ___
> > talk mailing list
> > t...@openstreetmap.org
> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > cheers,
> > maning
> > --
> > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of
> all" -N

Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships

[maning sambale]

Thanks rally!

But it's in July, there's just too much work around that time (will be
studying radar remote sensing  geekery).  But if you can sponsor me to
this conference:
http://2009.foss4g.org/  that would be awesome :)



On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Rally de Leon  wrote:
> i would like to nominate Maning Sambale to represent the OSM-PH. :-)
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, maning sambale 
> wrote:
>>
>> We are mentioned here:
>> > * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
>> Anybody willing to represent OSM-PH?  I guess it's worth trying to
>> nominate one from the group.
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM, maning sambale
>>  wrote:
>> > -- Forwarded message --
>> > From: Mikel Maron 
>> > Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM
>> > Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships
>> > To: t...@openstreetmap.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover
>> > full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of
>> > the Map. We're seeking nominations from the community for potential
>> > mappers.
>> >
>> > Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would
>> > prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places that are
>> > "interesting" geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are
>> > from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers
>> > in total. They have made a significant start at mapping their city,
>> > either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly
>> > familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating
>> > among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their
>> > local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and
>> > they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level.
>> >
>> > We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away,
>> > tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time
>> > for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one
>> > week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations
>> > received, we'll review the list and choose 15 mappers to approach with
>> > the offer. Depending on their availability to attend, we'll work our
>> > way through the list. We only recently secured funding for this
>> > program, so the process has to be quick.
>> >
>> > Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each
>> > nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address,
>> > location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at
>> > SOTM.
>> >
>> > And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists.
>> >
>> > As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but
>> > nominations are not limited to these places at all.
>> >
>> > * Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania.
>> > * Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly
>> > interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted.
>> > * South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen
>> > significant activities, relative to size and population they are in
>> > the very early stages.
>> > * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
>> > * South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in
>> > government for the release of data for use in OSM.
>> > * East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi,
>> > AgCommons, MapMaker..)
>> >
>> > Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen.
>> >
>> > -Mikel
>> >
>> > ___
>> > talk mailing list
>> > t...@openstreetmap.org
>> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > cheers,
>> > maning
>> > --
>> > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
>> > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
>> > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
>> > --
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> cheers,
>> maning
>> --
>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
>> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
>> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
>> --
>>
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>



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Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships

[Rally de Leon]

i would like to nominate Maning Sambale to represent the OSM-PH. :-)

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> We are mentioned here:
> > * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
> Anybody willing to represent OSM-PH?  I guess it's worth trying to
> nominate one from the group.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM, maning sambale
>  wrote:
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Mikel Maron 
> > Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM
> > Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships
> > To: t...@openstreetmap.org
> >
> >
> >
> > The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover
> > full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of
> > the Map. We're seeking nominations from the community for potential
> > mappers.
> >
> > Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would
> > prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places that are
> > "interesting" geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are
> > from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers
> > in total. They have made a significant start at mapping their city,
> > either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly
> > familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating
> > among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their
> > local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and
> > they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level.
> >
> > We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away,
> > tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time
> > for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one
> > week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations
> > received, we'll review the list and choose 15 mappers to approach with
> > the offer. Depending on their availability to attend, we'll work our
> > way through the list. We only recently secured funding for this
> > program, so the process has to be quick.
> >
> > Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each
> > nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address,
> > location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at
> > SOTM.
> >
> > And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists.
> >
> > As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but
> > nominations are not limited to these places at all.
> >
> > * Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania.
> > * Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly
> > interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted.
> > * South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen
> > significant activities, relative to size and population they are in
> > the very early stages.
> > * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
> > * South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in
> > government for the release of data for use in OSM.
> > * East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi,
> > AgCommons, MapMaker..)
> >
> > Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen.
> >
> > -Mikel
> >
> > ___
> > talk mailing list
> > t...@openstreetmap.org
> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > cheers,
> > maning
> > --
> > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
> > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
> > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
> > --
> >
>
>
>
> --
> cheers,
> maning
> --
> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
> --
>
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Re: [talk-ph] [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships

[art esmeralda]

I humbly nominate Murlwe.

He's been exhaustive in his efforts in promoting OSM here in Mindanao and
for promoting the local Opensource advocacy and initiative.

thanks,

Art



On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, maning sambale
wrote:

> We are mentioned here:
> > * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
> Anybody willing to represent OSM-PH?  I guess it's worth trying to
> nominate one from the group.
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM, maning sambale
>  wrote:
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Mik el Maron 
> > Date: Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:25 PM
> > Subject: [OSM-talk] Nominations for State of the Map Travel Scholarships
> > To: t...@openstreetmap.org
> >
> >
> >
> > The OpenStreetMap Foundation is excited to announce a program to cover
> > full travel and accomodations costs for 15 mappers to attend State of
> > the Map. We're seeking nominations from the community for potential
> > mappers.
> >
> > Generally, we are seeking people from places where costs would
> > prohibit attendance, developing countries, and places that are
> > "interesting" geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are
> > from countries with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers
> > in total. They have made a significant start at mapping their city,
> > either through Yahoo imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly
> > familiar with the process of OSM. They may have started communicating
> > among themselves, and made plans and scoped out the process for their
> > local district. But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and
> > they need the inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level.
> >
> > We need to act fast. State of the Map is just over two months away,
> > tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough time
> > for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short, one
> > week only, ending next Wednesday, May 13. From the nominations
> > received, we'll review the list and choose 15 mappers to approach with
> > the offer. Depending on their availability to attend, we'll work our
> > way through the list. We only recently secured funding for this
> > program, so the process has to be quick.
> >
> > Please send your nominations to sotm.scholars...@gmail.com. For each
> > nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email address,
> > location, and a paragraph or two on why they'd be great to have at
> > SOTM.
> >
> > And also, please forward this message to other relevant local OSM lists.
> >
> > As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but
> > nominations are not limited to these places at all.
> >
> > * Eastern Europe: the Caucasus, Russia, Bulgaria, Romania.
> > * Arab States: Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt. Egypt is particularly
> > interesting, as the ban on GPS units there was recently lifted.
> > * South Asia: India, Pakistan. While both countries have seen
> > significant activities, relative to size and population they are in
> > the very early stages.
> > * Southeast Asia: Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand.
> > * South America: Colombia, Bolivia, Peru. Promising leads in
> > government for the release of data for use in OSM.
> > * East Africa: Kenya is a hotspot for mapping right now (Ushahidi,
> > AgCommons, MapMaker..)
> >
> > Many thanks to the Open Society Institute for helping make this happen.
> >
> > -Mikel
> >
> > ___
> > talk mailing list
> > t...@openstreetmap.org
> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > cheers,
> > maning
> > --
> > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
> > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
> > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
> > --
> >
>
>
>
> --
> cheers,
> maning
> --
> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden
> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
> --
>
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