Re: Unregistration
Hello Tony Boom, On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:16:42 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 8:16:42 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tony Boom wrote: > Hello Martin, > A reminder of what Martin Schoch typed on: > 17 August 2003 at 15:04:17 GMT +0200 MS>> And what is this good for? > Absolutely nothing other than to wind people up... And he certainly seems > to have achieved his objective with you. > He told you it was hacked along with a few other choices for you to > believe. You chose not to believe the most believable option :) Sounds like a childish trick if true.. and as a troll shouldnt be allowed on this list. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/2
Hello Peter Meyns, On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:05:28 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 8:05:28 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Peter Meyns wrote: > Hi Martin, > on Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:16:45 +0200GMT (17.08.03, 14:16 +0200GMT here), > you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MS>> Well it seems the "inner circle" of testers which supports RITLabs to MS>> get better marketing has no problems with this policy... > Neither have I for the moment. Relax and wait a couple of days. No-one has > asked a price yet, so let's see what the official side will be. I can > live with a nag screen for a few days... :) Not if it tells me its expiring in 30 days. Especially not if you live in Thailand where never is anything done on time. -- Best regards, tracer Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get new key?
Hello Martin Schoch, On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:51:29 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 7:51:29 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Martin Schoch wrote: > Hi Dierk > On Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:34:44 PM you wrote: >> Ganz privat: Ich weiß wirklich nicht mehr, was Du willst. Du hattest >> eine Frage gestellt, die ich Ernst genommen habe und versuchte so gut >> wie möglich zu beantworten. Außerdem versuchte ich Befürchtungen zu >> zerstreuen, die ich im Augenblick für ungerechtfertigt halte. Was >> willst Du noch? > Ja klar, das ist der Ton, der mir echt gefällt, könnte ja auch so > sein: "Entweder du brauchst die alte Beta oder halt die Klappe und > gehe weg". Der Spiegel wurde Dir noch von einem anderen User hier > vorgehalten... > Ich bin echt sauer. Sounds sauer(g). On the other hand remedy is simple, donot run betav2 if you arent happy without knowing consequences... Believe me , the best way to get clarification out soon as I myself donot mind the upgrade or to pay for it but I damn well donot want to risk an interrupted email supply... 30 days is not enough for a test, ok I am not testing if I like the Bat but I do want to know more then no doubt a few days before expiry we will be told. I live in Thailand and its not that easy to arrange payments and I really am to busy to hack that damned key... (or is it still a reset of the registry in a certain place to 0.(g)) oops.. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: **SPAM** Re: TheBat 2.00 Beta/2 is now unregistered?
Hello tracer, Sunday, August 17, 2003, 3:16:13 PM, you wrote: >> and someone figured out how to setup Spampal ( or popfile) with SPAM in >> the subject line, and didn't remove it before they replied t> Ok, now your email managed like a few others to bypass Spampal and t> being marked as SPAM. t> AND I clearly have the [EMAIL PROTECTED] in my t> whitelist... I had a problem with the beta, when I imported my old settings. It still has the KNOWN filter setup, BUT TURNED OFF. In 163B5 I had it ON and working ( I think:) but now my mails were also going into my SPAM folder, until I turned on the KNOWN filter again. It was NOT checked as active in V2B2. -- Best regards, Paul Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unregistration
Hello Dierk Haasis, On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:27:26 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 4:27:26 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Dierk Haasis wrote: > Hello Martin! > On Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 11:21:06 AM you wrote: >> [...] I can't understand the >> policy to change registration keys _during_ a beta cycle... > Well, one could argue that the new registration scheme is a new > feature, one to be tested, beta tested ... \ NOT on my real email. AND all v2Beta2 triggers spampal -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: **SPAM** Re: TheBat 2.00 Beta/2 is now unregistered?
Hello Paul Cartwright, On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:59:45 -0400 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 8:59:45 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On Saturday, August 16, 2003, 9:58 PM, you wrote: MDP>>> Please refer to the release notes!!! MDP>>> ,--/ Stefan said \-- MDP>>> | Please note that this new Beta requires new registration keys. The MDP>>> | upgrade policy will be available from our official site shortly. MDP>>> `-8<- > amazing how many people either ignored the notes or didn't read them... > but this was inevitable, considering the way they put out the betas. Be honest, most times we stumbled over betas by accident and had to ask what had changed... In the last case though a clear warning was supplied. > First free, then policy to be detailed later.. I don't like going from a > registered version to an evaluation copy, not knowing the upgrade/cost > policy going forward they should have spelled that out WITH the beta > or before the beta. many people have commented on this, many are > confused. > and someone figured out how to setup Spampal ( or popfile) with SPAM in > the subject line, and didn't remove it before they replied Ok, now your email managed like a few others to bypass Spampal and being marked as SPAM. AND I clearly have the [EMAIL PROTECTED] in my whitelist... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ridiculous Mail Count
Hello Jonathan Angliss, On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:35:49 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, August 17, 2003, 1:35:49 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jonathan Angliss wrote: > Hi, > Okay... I know I go a little mad with my emails... And I really do > have quite a few mail folders, and mail in general, but there is no > way in hell that I have 35 million emails in one folder... > http://thebat.netdork.net/imap_bad_msg_folder_count.jpg I think you better read the numbers again and start downloading and reading(g)We will likely be up to the Bat v10 by that time you are finished... > In fact, I'm not entirely sure if the beta list has had that many > emails. If it has, then I truly have got into a big popular list ;) > My beta folder isn't the only one that is affected. I have others > that seem to be doing it as well, my SquirrelMail - Users list > folder reports 135 million emails. I know it's a busy list (busier > than tbbeta and tbudl put together), but that is seriously > ridiculous. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing Hotspot colour in Print setup
Hello Paul! On Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 8:34:45 PM you wrote: > I use Fineprint also. Now that I look, there is no print preview in the > TB File menu.. but I'm still not sure I understand what setting you are > talking about. Go to Message/Print setup and you'll see a window with three tabs, the first changes margins, the second the template and the third on is for font changes. The Hotspot colour is the colour in which URLs are shown when printed (with a colour printer). AFAIR, TB doesn't have its own print preview, which IMO isn't needed for e-mail. Newer printers (at least ink jets) do incorporate their own print preview. Since you have FinePrint you already have a system wide print preview. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.0 Beta/2 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself. (Ricky Nelson) Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tiny fonts when printing
Hello Paul! On Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 8:29:06 PM you wrote: > I have mine set to text/HTML. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by > setting the Hotspot colour, can you explain?? See the other message. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.0 Beta/2 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Calling Things by their right name marks the beginning of Wisdom. Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reregistration Idea is Dumb!
Hello Allie Martin, On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:57:13 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 9:57:13 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: > Allen, [A] wrote: A>> I went ahead and upgraded to beta 2, I've still got a good 28 days A>> before I'm no longer able to read my mail. Here's to hoping they've A>> posted the upgrade policy within that time, and to hoping I can A>> afford it! To date, like you, I've found nothing official about the A>> upgrade policy yet. > Stefan said in his beta/2 announcement: > ,- / Stefan \ > | Please note that this new Beta requires new registration keys. The > | upgrade policy will be available from our official site shortly. > `- > I'm pretty sure that shortly will mean before the trial period expires. Still dumb as while I donot mind paying for the fun and the convenience its not that easy for me to arrange a payment as once in the past I found out. And I donot want to risk my email program expiring on me... So for me if betas will expire me, no more betas till I have aranged payment -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reregistration Idea is Dumb!
Hello Bill McCarthy, On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:45:10 -0400 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 9:45:10 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Bill McCarthy wrote: > On Sat 16-Aug-03 10:30am -0400, Alexey N. Vinogradov wrote: >> regedit /c bat16x.reg > Hmm, how did you find out about switches for regedit? I can't find > the command line options in the XP Help and trying: regedit /? > just starts the damn thing. That one has been around for ages. its telling regedit to grab the file supplied and import it to the registry Agreed under xp it doesnt show anything usable... when supplying /? -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB2.0 IMAP account, automatic refresh of folder counts
Hello Olivier, Sunday, August 17, 2003, 2:26:14 PM, you wrote: OM> Besides, even when I trigger a refresh by hand, and though some new OM> unread messages are reflected in some folders counts, the Ticker does OM> not start displaying them until I switch focus to one of those OM> folders. OM> Will better test and BT if needed. Does this say something to one of OM> you in between ? well, after relying to YOUR message, I did the ALT-F2 and new messages came into my Browse Ticker Window ( and in the ticker pane itself). -- Best regards, Paul Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration Problem
Hello Julien RANC, On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:16:24 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 6:16:24 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Julien RANC wrote: > Bonjour Johannes, > Saturday, August 16, 2003, 1:05:11 PM, I read: JP>> Actually I miss the password as well. Perhaps Stefan could enlight us JP>> a bit? ;-) > Mine was written in the email including my registration key. It was > saying: > "Your registration password is: xx" > This line was before the key and cheksum, in the middle of the "thank > you" text. My email doesnt show my password but I asume that since Wed, 05 May 1999 15:54:12 GMT there may have been changes to the letter... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB2.0 IMAP account, automatic refresh of folder counts
Hello Olivier, Sunday, August 17, 2003, 2:26:14 PM, you wrote: OM> Besides, even when I trigger a refresh by hand, and though some new OM> unread messages are reflected in some folders counts, the Ticker does OM> not start displaying them until I switch focus to one of those OM> folders. OM> Will better test and BT if needed. Does this say something to one of OM> you in between ? just a few minutes ago, I was ALMOST done reading mail in the ticker, when all of a sudden I had 8 more messages to read!! I don't remember if it happened by itself, or I had just changed focus to the next message to read... -- Best regards, Paul Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Skins for TB
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:38:04 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 4:38:04 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: > Hello Krister, > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:11:43 +0200 GMT (16/08/2003, 16:11 +0700 GMT), > Krister Ekstrom wrote: PM>>> You spoke my heart. Thank you! :-)) >> I agree wholeheartedly but i just want to add one more thing: When >> you make skinnable programs, in many many cases, accessibility goes >> straight down the drain, that is, a blind person using a screen >> reader is out of luck. > I didn't know that! This is indeed an argument against a skin API. > (Sorry Marck, I saw your dead-horse, but Krister's comment was > on-topic I think, so I reply here. Hope this is OK.) Added as well, if you have a system problem I like to know where is what so that even without my screen showing anything useful I can close programs and reboot. One of the reasons why I want the My system Icon as the first on the screen (left top). The rest a user can stick where he wants but I did convince my customers to leave or put this one in its original place... Same with the Bat as its really unhealthy to your email files to reboot or crash the system with the Bat open. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration Problem
Hello Bill McCarthy, On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:29:04 -0400 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, August 16, 2003, 4:29:04 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Bill McCarthy wrote: > Hello TB Beta List, > After I registered v2, I returned to v1.62r and saw I was not > registered! If I can only be registered for one, I'll pick 1.62r and > just run the beta unregistered. > I tried to register 1.62r but it requires a password that didn't come > with the program's registration. I couldn't find any email from > Ritlabs with a password. Doesn't anyone remember getting one? Years ago after running theBat for quite a while and thus being convinced that with all its bugs it was better then others with even more irritating bugs, I deleted my hacked version and registered it and got my key emailed. The password was under v1.xx what you yourself selected and from what you say it sounds like V2 got this thing removed. In a way a good thing as several times I thought I forgot that mine was pi or in how many decimal places... On the other hand I think that not only due to current bugs in beta 2 but also being stuck with a registration deadline, I prefer to wait testing v2 Essentially I have a very sick creditcard system, havent seen my card in at least 7 years I think Ok, I know where it is but believe me using and maintaining a card based in the UK while in Thailand is a pain... Unless I know what upgrade price is and whose creditcard can be used in exchange for a cash payment (Thomas in BKK??) By the way I was very busy, this latest worm is a gold mine to clean upI must have cleaned at least 100 PC's of that thing... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 2.0 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing Hotspot colour in Print setup
Hello Dierk, Sunday, August 17, 2003, 2:08:14 PM, you wrote: DH> Well, it doesn't work. I changed it from Blue to Grey, since I am DH> printing e-mails only to my b/w laser printer. Neither in the small DH> preview for the setting nor in the actual print (to FinePrint, DH> therefore still in colour on the monitor) did it change, it stayed DH> Blue. I use Fineprint also. Now that I look, there is no print preview in the TB File menu.. but I'm still not sure I understand what setting you are talking about. -- Best regards, Paul Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unregistration
Hello Martin,
A reminder of what Martin Schoch typed on:
17 August 2003 at 12:41:03 GMT +0200
MS> And it seems that your copy of 2.0Beta2 is registered... So my
MS> question: How did you got it?
He's using Beta 1 but with a changed version number. He told you he
hacked it...
I've not got a new registration yet either!
--
Best regards,Tony.
Using The Bat! 2.0 Beta/1 S/N A27A5E65
SuSE Linux 8.2 ©2ØØ3 - AWB
Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: User macroses...
* "Alexey N. Vinogradov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is just experimenting with user macroses... > The file is http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/macrotest.tbp (67,5kb) Is there any documentation available anywhere about how to write such macros? -- Carsten Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get new key?
* Dierk Haasis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Yes - but it seems that _you_ have a new key - so it's a little bit >> simple to tell others to wait... > As I said, I may not have one, I may have hacked the EXE. > Honestly, perhaps there is a small group of people RITLabs consider to > be, lets call it "the inner circle", and maybe I am part of it. > With this statement rumours will abound even more, so I give some of > them myself: > Alternative 1. I am Stefan in disguise. > Alternative 2. I am Thor having to wander the Earth. > Alternative 3. I am Elvis and RITLabs love my music. > Alternative 4. I did come up with this new marketing scheme. > Alternative 5. My key is a time bomb, which will render TB useless >after 1100 hours. > Alternative 6. I am the group's clown and Stefan likes to laugh. > Alternative 7. I have no idea. > Alternative 8. I may just have changed the version information. > Back to the matter at hand. If there is such an inner circle, where is > the problem? > Don't get me wrong, I don't know the answers myself, and perhaps I > couldn't tell you *if* I knew. The only useful advice I have is, sort > out your alternatives to your liking and go with it. You can use v2b1, > v1.63, v2b2 with nag screen, whatever suits you. Why doesn't the "inner circle" open a new mailing list? Or make this a non-public list? You won't be bothered by such stupid registration questions and I wouldn't have to read such "funny" answers. Why is it so hard to "confess" that Ritlabs sends free keys to people they consider worth beta testing the new version? When I read your pseudo-funny article my first thought was "what a great community!" -- Carsten Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get new key?
Hi Dierk On Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:34:44 PM you wrote: > Ganz privat: Ich weiß wirklich nicht mehr, was Du willst. Du hattest > eine Frage gestellt, die ich Ernst genommen habe und versuchte so gut > wie möglich zu beantworten. Außerdem versuchte ich Befürchtungen zu > zerstreuen, die ich im Augenblick für ungerechtfertigt halte. Was > willst Du noch? Ja klar, das ist der Ton, der mir echt gefällt, könnte ja auch so sein: "Entweder du brauchst die alte Beta oder halt die Klappe und gehe weg". Der Spiegel wurde Dir noch von einem anderen User hier vorgehalten... Ich bin echt sauer. -- Best regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 2.0 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5 2195 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unregistration
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, 8:41 AM, you wrote: DRS>> Not being one to enjoy stepping through unregistered and "This version DRS>> will expire in xxx couple of days." I have gone back to 1.63b9 as the DRS>> only new version of The_Bat! that I can run legally is v2b1 which had DRS>> some rather show stopping problems with it's IMAP implementation and DRS>> being as 7 out of 9 of my accounts are IMAP I had no choice. I only have ONE IMAP account ( and a free one at that), but I expect it to at least work. I could even ( and will ) go back to 163/beta 5 only becasue the beta2 gives me too many serious errors and problems, such as: access violation errors and a refusal to close. trash can not emptying, read count errors duplicate messages in preview window really the first error is the show stopper. If the program won't close right, I can't use it. -- Paul Robert F. Smith, Congressman (Ore.), was an Eagle Scout. Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unregistration
Hi Dierk On Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:17:24 PM you wrote: >> Ha ha - can't you tell me the truth > As written in another message: I can't as I don't know it. You don't know why your 2.0beta2 is running in a registered mode? No, please! >> Yes of course - you can always find things which are worse. But is >> should be an argument for this policy? I hope not. > I didn't use it as an argument "for". I said that I never saw such a policy to change keys during a beta cycle. You said that you saw worse. But it _is_ odd. >> Aha - so I was not wrong that this "policy" will kill public beta >> testing an let only private testers go on. Without an detailed >> explanation? > I can see that this conclusion is viable, but it is not the only one. > And it wasn't what I've alluded to. But when you see in the list that there are messages with registerd 2.0beta2 this conclusion is quite clear. >> But this is not marketing - this is surprise tactics. > You mix categories here, marketing "can" include surprise. No. For me "marketing" contains fair and clear information. > So, until > RITLabs itself clears up the matter - and we are back to considering > facts instead of prejudices - my word is: In dubio pro reo! This let me ask the question again: Why this new beta _without_ further information? Very, very strange - I know, RITLabs is a small company - but this is no excuse. > Other than you I think RITLabs (and any other company) has a right to > earn money - with its products. You really understand what I wrote? I never said that they don't have "a right to earn money". My reproach: How they implement this new policy to change keys during a beta cycle. > Considering how long we have been using TB, and how much effort went > into it to improve it, a charge for v2 is reasonable. You miss the point again. > As long as we don't know how much they will charge I cannot see what > we are discussing. BTW, it just dawns on me that you may think I got > mine for free. Is this what's bugging you? Or is it just that you > don't want to pay for v2? You miss the point again. > I still seem to miss the point totally. I think this is your problem. > Your ironic use of the word "reward" does imply the new registration > is a punishment; you can't mean that serious. Well to send in bug reports - and at the end you have to pay for a version where the bugs might be solved...? > Please, go back to the message I have referred you back to more than > once, then look up Stefan's answer to it. Perhaps that will help to > put this into perspective. Can you send me a MID? > BTW, do you use IMAP or POP3? Both. -- Best regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 2.0 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5 2195 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unregistration
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, 8:25 AM, you wrote: >>> And it seems that your copy of 2.0Beta2 is registered DH>> Perhaps I hacked it? sarcasm only gets people pissed off. >>> But a beta tester with a new key? So RITLabs split testers now in two >>> classes? DH>> Perhaps there are other considerations? very cryptic, but not very informative. people are confused, mad, uninformed, and unsure what has happened. All you do is stand on your podium shouting down sarcastic remarks to either "get with the program" or go away. Too many people have asked the same questions about registration ( lack of, why in the middle of a beta...etc) and all you do is make people mad with your caustic remarks. just an opinion from a registered TB user:) -- Paul "I find you 'chrestos' rather than 'christos!!' - P. Pilatus Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get new key?
Hello Martin! On Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 2:06:28 PM you wrote: >> Good question. I gather, bad marketing combined with a medical >> doctor's attitude towards pregnancy. > Why always the word "marketing"? You could put in "communication" if you want. Or any other word that suits you; wouldn't change the phenomenon as such. > No please. "No please" what? >> Back to the matter at hand. If there is such an inner circle, where is >> the problem? > Seems you don't understand. What? If I don't understand, I'd like to be told clearly what I don't understand, so I could understand it. >> Don't get me wrong, I don't know the answers myself, and perhaps I >> couldn't tell you *if* I knew. The only useful advice I have is, sort >> out your alternatives to your liking and go with it. You can use v2b1, >> v1.63, v2b2 with nag screen, whatever suits you. > Yes of course - I could use also Windows 95... Curiously you seem to get my irony and seriousness mixed up every time. Must be my mistake. The point of my statement wasn't ironic, that is my honest PoV: I do not know more than you. Hence I couldn't give you any other advice but that which I have followed myself. Ganz privat: Ich weiß wirklich nicht mehr, was Du willst. Du hattest eine Frage gestellt, die ich Ernst genommen habe und versuchte so gut wie möglich zu beantworten. Außerdem versuchte ich Befürchtungen zu zerstreuen, die ich im Augenblick für ungerechtfertigt halte. Was willst Du noch? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.0 Beta/2 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Science may be described as the art of systematic oversimplification. (Sir Karl Popper) Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Unregistration
Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:11:27 AM (GMT -05:00) RE: "Unregistration" Greetings Martin, On Sunday, August 17, 2003, 6:41:03 AM, you wrote: MS> But a beta tester with a new key? So RITLabs split testers now in two MS> classes? Having beta tested every available version of The_Bat! for 3 years, since I initially registered it in it's v1.3+ implementation I guess that RITLabs did split the beta testers in 2 groups. The first group is the "insiders" group that got a key to run v2b2 in the registered mode and the "outsiders" group that are unregistered for v2b2 even though many of us have stuck with RITLabs through thick and thin beta cycles. With that having been said on the other side of the coin is the inclination of the software market to upgrade from version to version at a price (God knows how many versions of Windows, MS Office and assorted AV's that I have lying around here). Anyway ... Not being one to enjoy stepping through unregistered and "This version will expire in xxx couple of days." I have gone back to 1.63b9 as the only new version of The_Bat! that I can run legally is v2b1 which had some rather show stopping problems with it's IMAP implementation and being as 7 out of 9 of my accounts are IMAP I had no choice. So again ... We have the "have keys" and the "have NOT keys" even though developmentally we all assist RITLabs in the same manner. Just my nickle even though it's not worth much in today's economy. -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. You can't scare me. I drive a school bus! The_Bat! 1.63 Beta/9 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: **SPAM** Re: TheBat 2.00 Beta/2 is now unregistered?
Hi Paul, PC> amazing how many people either ignored the notes or didn't read PC> them... but this was inevitable, considering the way they put PC> out the betas. First free, then policy to be detailed later.. I PC> don't like going from a registered version to an evaluation PC> copy, not knowing the upgrade/cost policy going forward they PC> should have spelled that out WITH the beta or before the beta. PC> many people have commented on this, many are confused. It's true. Nobody pays for a beta anyway. The release version is the upgrade, not a beta. Somebody call me when DBCS functionality is finished. Then I'll pay. Not before. Best, Yuki Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Plugin error solved! (was Re: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/2)
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, 7:06 AM, you wrote: DvZ> Hello Fred, DvZ> On Saturday, August 16, 2003 at 12:12:02 +0200, you wrote concerning DvZ> 'The Bat! v2.0 Beta/2': DvZ> ... >> It seems that also the AVG plugin error is solved in this version! >> Can anybody else confirm this? DvZ> Yes, confirmed. No more error when I close TB!. I still get violation errors and can't close it ( Beta 2). I do have an IMAP account, but I did close the connection window before trying to close TB. -- Paul Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unregistration
Hello Martin! On Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 1:37:06 PM you wrote: > Ha ha - can't you tell me the truth As written in another message: I can't as I don't know it. > For example? I don't know (but see my other message). > Yes of course - you can always find things which are worse. But is > should be an argument for this policy? I hope not. I didn't use it as an argument "for". > Aha - so I was not wrong that this "policy" will kill public beta > testing an let only private testers go on. Without an detailed > explanation? I can see that this conclusion is viable, but it is not the only one. And it wasn't what I've alluded to. > But this is not marketing - this is surprise tactics. You mix categories here, marketing "can" include surprise. To answer your implicit question (as far as I can): In all the years I now use TB and are on these lists I've never seen a move by RITLabs that was unreasonable or unsensible towards the user base. So, until RITLabs itself clears up the matter - and we are back to considering facts instead of prejudices - my word is: In dubio pro reo! > A very strange way and policy. To give at first public betas and at > the end to "reward" the help of all these users you let them pay again? > No please! What is a software development without the bug feedback > from users? Neither can I follow your argument, nor your wording. the following is based upon my interpretation of your statement, so I may be wrong. Other than you I think RITLabs (and any other company) has a right to earn money - with its products. Considering how long we have been using TB, and how much effort went into it to improve it, a charge for v2 is reasonable. As long as we don't know how much they will charge I cannot see what we are discussing. BTW, it just dawns on me that you may think I got mine for free. Is this what's bugging you? Or is it just that you don't want to pay for v2? I still seem to miss the point totally. And I refrain from any discussion about a user's presumed right to a product, any "why you and not me" argument and such. Your ironic use of the word "reward" does imply the new registration is a punishment; you can't mean that serious. > Yes but you can use this bug-fixed version only with a new key. I don't see v2 as a pure bug-fix. > No - these are not the questions here. What are they then? > If RITLabs would have answers to such questions they should ask them > clear and fair - this new key "feature" in a beta cycle is not fair. It all started with a small, humorous use of the word "feature" by me, and, ohm how far did it bring us. "Fair"? Please, go back to the message I have referred you back to more than once, then look up Stefan's answer to it. Perhaps that will help to put this into perspective. To sum up this specific thread, we both are just speculating, me perhaps on a more optimistic note, you slightly more pessimistic. Whatever the facts, we don't know them yet. Whatever the outcome, I still am convinced it will be reasonable. BTW, do you use IMAP or POP3? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.0 Beta/2 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but never all the people all the time. (Abraham Lincoln) Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.0 Beta/2
Hi Carsten On Sunday, August 17, 2003 11:09:57 AM you wrote: >> Sorry - I am using TheBat every day and joined the beta tests all the >> time - but this policy I really don't understand... > Who does? Well it seems the "inner circle" of testers which supports RITLabs to get better marketing has no problems with this policy... >> I was am/was beta tester for a lot of software - but changing the >> registration keys _during_ a beta cycle I newer saw before - this >> isn't a very good help for tests... > But I'm not going to pay (details?) for a beta version nor start a > 30 day test period for an unfinished product. We are told that this is marketing now. -- Best regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 2.0 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5 2195 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get new key?
Hi Dierk On Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:49:17 PM you wrote: > Good question. I gather, bad marketing combined with a medical > doctor's attitude towards pregnancy. Why always the word "marketing"? > Again, good question. The answer is much more satisfying than the > first one: RITLabs is a very small company; it seems they didn't find > the time to write up the upgrade policy and publish it. No please. > Honestly, perhaps there is a small group of people RITLabs consider to > be, lets call it "the inner circle", and maybe I am part of it. I understand. > Back to the matter at hand. If there is such an inner circle, where is > the problem? Seems you don't understand. > Don't get me wrong, I don't know the answers myself, and perhaps I > couldn't tell you *if* I knew. The only useful advice I have is, sort > out your alternatives to your liking and go with it. You can use v2b1, > v1.63, v2b2 with nag screen, whatever suits you. Yes of course - I could use also Windows 95... Well - history seems to have the habit of repeating itself. Quite a similar "story" I saw with an other software - two, three years ago. I think nobody uses it today... -- Best regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 2.0 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5 2195 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get new key?
Hello Martin! On Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 1:07:15 PM you wrote: > a) why a new beta just on Saturday? Good question. I gather, bad marketing combined with a medical doctor's attitude towards pregnancy. Right, I take the last bit back, it's just that for a long time (and perhaps still) hospitals tended to deliver babies before the weekend, so they wouldn't have to go in on Sundays. But no responsible doctor would give delivery inducing hormones to a pregnant woman just to have a nice weekend on the yacht. > b) why a new beta without an upgrade policy? Again, good question. The answer is much more satisfying than the first one: RITLabs is a very small company; it seems they didn't find the time to write up the upgrade policy and publish it. I remember too many threads in which users wanted a company to focus on development (like bug fixing) and not marketing. Personally I find RITLabs should think seriously about marketing and communication. But then, most of my earnings are coming from marketing and communication ... > Yes - but it seems that _you_ have a new key - so it's a little bit > simple to tell others to wait... As I said, I may not have one, I may have hacked the EXE. Honestly, perhaps there is a small group of people RITLabs consider to be, lets call it "the inner circle", and maybe I am part of it. With this statement rumours will abound even more, so I give some of them myself: Alternative 1. I am Stefan in disguise. Alternative 2. I am Thor having to wander the Earth. Alternative 3. I am Elvis and RITLabs love my music. Alternative 4. I did come up with this new marketing scheme. Alternative 5. My key is a time bomb, which will render TB useless after 1100 hours. Alternative 6. I am the group's clown and Stefan likes to laugh. Alternative 7. I have no idea. Alternative 8. I may just have changed the version information. Back to the matter at hand. If there is such an inner circle, where is the problem? Don't get me wrong, I don't know the answers myself, and perhaps I couldn't tell you *if* I knew. The only useful advice I have is, sort out your alternatives to your liking and go with it. You can use v2b1, v1.63, v2b2 with nag screen, whatever suits you. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.0 Beta/2 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 When life is reduced to its very essence, we find that we have many genes in common with every species on Earth, and that we're not so different from one another. (J. Craig Venter) Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unregistration
Hi Dierk On Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:12:33 PM you wrote: >> And it seems that your copy of 2.0Beta2 is registered > Perhaps I hacked it? Ha ha - can't you tell me the truth or are such secrets now a part of the new policy? >> But a beta tester with a new key? So RITLabs split testers now in two >> classes? > Perhaps there are other considerations? For example? >> Changing registration keys during a beta cycle should be "result" of >> marketing discussion? In my opinion then a very strange "marketing"... > I've seen stranger marketing decisions. Yes of course - you can always find things which are worse. But is should be an argument for this policy? I hope not. > That wasn't my point; RITLabs scheme may be an innovation, but it > isn't unheard of to secure one's income through limiting betas. Aha - so I was not wrong that this "policy" will kill public beta testing an let only private testers go on. Without an detailed explanation? But this is not marketing - this is surprise tactics. > RITLabs never used the "Fixed-date" scheme for beta testing, they were > much more concerned with quality. One consequence is the impossibility > of publishing a time-limited beta. But it is TB which secures at least > a portion of the incomes for Stefan and his fellows. So they had to do > something about this, or? A very strange way and policy. To give at first public betas and at the end to "reward" the help of all these users you let them pay again? No please! What is a software development without the bug feedback from users? >> Instead to fix bugs they implement a "new" policy and this will >> frustrate a lot of beta testers - again, I don't understand it. > "Instead"? I see they are still bug-fixing. Yes but you can use this bug-fixed version only with a new key. > Let's try to be reasonable, take a step back and try to find the real > question: Would you pay for further use of TB? If the answer is "yes", > where is the problem? If the answer is "no", again, where is the > problem? No - these are not the questions here. If RITLabs would have answers to such questions they should ask them clear and fair - this new key "feature" in a beta cycle is not fair. -- Best regards, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 2.0 Beta/1 on Windows 2000 5 2195 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Importing PGP 6.5.8 keys in TB OpenPGP Internal
Hello Olivier! On Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 1:06:02 PM you wrote: > I suppose they're not supported yet. At least they weren't before the TB PGP support was changed. But my question, not to you actually, wasn't rhetorical, as I don't know if the new implementation does at last support DH/DSS. > A small message telling so would be nice instead of the no-reaction of > the software. That's right, should be in. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 2.0 Beta/2 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Das 11. Gebot: Du solltest vertrauen auf Deines Nachbarn Dummheit. (Aleks Papst) Current beta is 2.0b2 | "Using TBBETA" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
