Re: [3.0.2.5] Bugs with creation of encrypted mail from original base

[Julien RANC]

Hello testers;

ZW> Hello all!

ZW> I was asked to decide either creation of new account or use backup
ZW> copy of previous data. Of course, I select retrieving from backup,
ZW> and then AV appeared:

Same here, but with an additional error when selecting the .tbk backup
file (not an AV)

ZW> ,--
ZW> | Access violation at address 007D193C in module 'thebat.exe'.
ZW> | Read of address .
ZW> `--

Same AV here.

ZW> I clicked OK, and it seemed all data were retrieved. It was not really,
ZW> because The Bat! alerting me about error in reading archive file. Click on
ZW> OK resolves that problem, but more serious problems appeared after
ZW> retrieving. Here is what I get:

ZW> 1. All messages on all accounts disappeared. Holders and account hierarchy
ZW>is the same as originally. Account directories have their original names,
ZW>but all directories associated with TB folders have new encrypted names.
ZW>Message base files and configuration files have extensions beginning with
ZW>"E" letter (i.e., ".EBI" instead of original ".TBI").

Exactly the same. I stopped the experiment here, and reverted to an
unencrypted version.

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Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available

[Avi Yashar]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:26:45 -0500, Allie Martin wrote:

> The spelling is definitely wrong. :)
> 
> I'm not sure what they really wish to put there since, even with correct
> settings, it doesn't make much sense to me.
> 
> It could be meant to be 'Other Settings' or 'Miscellaneous' where the
> settings that don't really belong to any of the other categories, would
> go.

And this brings us back to the question of the Ritlabs need for a
technical writer - someone, who besides rewriting the help file, would
be able to fix up the English in the GUI. So I hope it is not
inappropriate to ask what is happening in this respect.

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Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, November 05, 2004 at 7:31:09 PM [GMT -0500], Julien Ranc
wrote:

> I have a strange new entry into "Options / Preferences" called "Anothe
> Setings" What is this for ?? Are you sure of the spelling of these
> options  

The spelling is definitely wrong. :)

I'm not sure what they really wish to put there since, even with correct
settings, it doesn't make much sense to me.

It could be meant to be 'Other Settings' or 'Miscellaneous' where the
settings that don't really belong to any of the other categories, would
go.

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3.0.2.5: Account filters "corrupted" by Common filters

[MAU]

Hello all,

I'll try to be as brief as possible by skipping some details and/or minor
steps.

I must start by saying that until yesterday (Friday) I had never before
"played" with Common filters.

Last night (a few hours ago) I upgraded to v3.0.2.5 and the first time I
launched it I noticed that most messages received in this account, the one
I basically use for mailing lists, had not been sorted to their
respective folders and were all still in Inbox. What?!?!

I went directly to Sorting Office and I found that some of my Incoming
filters had been moved and/or replaced by other filters and sub-filters.
A bit of a mess that I will more thoroughly analyse when I have more
time because I have saved a copy of the SRB file.

Instead of trying to correct the mess, I got the corresponding
ACCOUNT.SRB file from yesterdays backup (which, BTW, had been working
just fine all along Friday with v3.0.2.4) and replaced the "corrupt"
one.

I start TB again and go directly to Sorting Office and found that
Incoming filters for this account (and only this one) were again
corrupt. Although I didn't do an exhaustive comparison, the corruption
seemed quite similar to the previous one.

Again, I exit TB, replace ACCOUNT.SRB with the good one and start TB for
a 3rd time and again a corruption.

Then I remembered about the Common filters I was testing yesterday (see
my ) and took a look at them.
Although they all were "Not active" they were still shared with _this_
account and only this one.

The end of the story is, for the moment, that since I completely deleted
the Common Incoming filters I have had no further corruption in account
filters.

I know it sounds strange and I have no idea or understand how can Common
filters "corrupt" account filters as they are kept in separate SRB
files, but what is true (seems to be true) is that only the account that
was shared by Common filters was the one corrupted and that I have not
observed any further corruption since deleting the Common filters.

I'll do more testing and try to reproduce the anomaly if I have time
during the weekend.

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[3.0.2.5] Bugs with creation of encrypted mail from original base

[Zygmunt Wereszczynski]

Hello all!

I tested encryption new feature in TB! 3.0.2.5 Pro version and have bad
impressions from this experience.

Starting from 3.0.2.4 as original, I created backup of all settings,
accounts, address books etc. Then, according to Maxim's advice, I remove The
Bat! completely from my computer. I installed new version (3.0.2.5) in
normal place (C:\Program Files\The Bat!) and run it. After a series of
questions (I selected password in-fly protection) I was asked to decide
either creation of new account or use backup copy of previous data. Of
course, I select retrieving from backup, and then AV appeared:

,--
| Access violation at address 007D193C in module 'thebat.exe'.
| Read of address .
`--

I clicked OK, and it seemed all data were retrieved. It was not really,
because The Bat! alerting me about error in reading archive file. Click on
OK resolves that problem, but more serious problems appeared after
retrieving. Here is what I get:

1. All messages on all accounts disappeared. Holders and account hierarchy
   is the same as originally. Account directories have their original names,
   but all directories associated with TB folders have new encrypted names.
   Message base files and configuration files have extensions beginning with
   "E" letter (i.e., ".EBI" instead of original ".TBI").

2. Common filters are lost.

3. Account filters were retrieved I don't know from (they are the same as in
   Old Filtering System, all new filters are discarded).

4. Mail creation, sending and retrieving from servers work OK.

5. I have lost fonts setting for message list and folder view.

Then I decided repeat all procedure without encryption. After removing TB!,
and setting it again I did not have AV message. This time there were several
errors during archive file reading, but messages were retrieved successfully.
Account filters were retrieved correctly from backup, however the "Replied
messages" common filter group lost its name, and any common filter was not
retrieved.

Such experiment was repeated three times with the same results. Now I work
with all settings retrieved form external backup, not from The Bat!.

I think such major change in program should be tested very thoroughly. It
seems that internal backup system must be first re-worked to be useable and
reliable.


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Re: Common sub-filters behave as filters

[MAU]

Hello MAU,

> I have added BT report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021

Tested again with v3.0.2.5 and I can fully confirm the behaviour.

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Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available

[Mark Partous]

Hello Dierk,

Friday, November 5, 2004, 11:46:33 PM, you wrote:

DH> I'd really like to see an option later on to enable message base
DH> encryption without having to do a clean install.

I agree

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Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available

[Julien RANC]

Hello testers,

9> Hello All,

9> The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available from
9> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

I have a strange new entry into "Options / Preferences" called "Anothe
Setings" What is this for ?? Are you sure of the spelling of these
options ;-)

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Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available

[Chris Weaven]

Hi 9Val,

On Saturday, November 6, 2004 00:24 your local time, which was Friday,
November 5, 2004 at 22:24 my local time, 9Val 9Val [9] wrote;

9> [*] IMAP: Fine-tune option 'Use precise counters'
9> First  tune option is suitable for IMAP users which have permanent and
9> fast enough connection to server. After enabling it you should get rid
9> of * and <>

What do you class as a 'fast connection'?
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The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available

[9Val]

Hello All, 

The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available from
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

Here is a short list of changes:
[*] Message  base  and  configuration  data  encryption  can  be  now
activated for Professional Edition (see comments below)
[*] Scheduler: Automatic view for currently selected event
[*] IMAP: new mail sound improvements
[*] IMAP: Fine-tune option 'Use precise counters'
[*] IMAP: Fine-tune option 'Retrieve only text'

A little description for IMAP users:
First  tune option is suitable for IMAP users which have permanent and
fast enough connection to server. After enabling it you should get rid
of * and <>
Second  option is suitable for users who has slow connection and tired
to wait downloading of message with big attachments
Sounds  on  new mail became a little bit smarter and shouldn't trigger
after filtering and manual operations

!IMPORTANT!
That's Maxim wrote about message base encryption:
During  the  first  run  of  The  Bat!  executable,  if  The Bat! home
directory  is not yet configured in the Registry, the program checks a
registry  value  whether it has been installed by a “Home Edition MSI”
or  a “Professional Edition MSI”. In case of Professional Edition, The
Bat!   displays   a  dialog  box  whether  a  user  wishes  on-the-fly
encryption.
If  you run a single .EXE-file not from the MSI, The Bat! will ask you
what  edition do you have. You can also enter the registration key and
the program will extract the edition from the key.
Please  be  aware  that you can select to use or not to use on-the-fly
encryption  only during the clean install, i.e. there were no The Bat!
previously installed. If you like to change on-the-fly encryption back
or forth, you have to make full backup via the The Bat! BACKUP/RESTORE
wizard,  remove  The  Bat! completely, including the Registry entries,
run this beta and do the restore.
Please  note  that  this is a beta version and The Bat! BACKUP/RESTORE
may not yet work properly.

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Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello 9Val!

On Friday, November 5, 2004 at 11:24:20 PM you wrote:

> [*] Message  base  and  configuration  data  encryption  can  be  now
> activated for Professional Edition (see comments below)

From what I've seen in Maxim's note (cited by you) I'd say this is a
little bit useless at the moment since no MSI installer has been
published, yet ...

I'd really like to see an option later on to enable message base
encryption without having to do a clean install.



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The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available

[9Val]

Hello All, 

Sorry, if it will be duplicate

The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available from
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

Here is a short list of changes:
[*] Message  base  and  configuration  data  encryption  can  be  now
activated for Professional Edition (see comments below)
[*] Scheduler: Automatic view for currently selected event
[*] IMAP: new mail sound improvements
[*] IMAP: Fine-tune option 'Use precise counters'
[*] IMAP: Fine-tune option 'Retrieve only text'

A little description for IMAP users:
First  tune option is suitable for IMAP users which have permanent and
fast enough connection to server. After enabling it you should get rid
of * and <>
Second  option is suitable for users who has slow connection and tired
to wait downloading of message with big attachments
Sounds  on  new mail became a little bit smarter and shouldn't trigger
after filtering and manual operations

!IMPORTANT!
That's Maxim wrote about message base encryption:
During  the  first  run  of  The  Bat!  executable,  if  The Bat! home
directory  is not yet configured in the Registry, the program checks a
registry  value  whether it has been installed by a “Home Edition MSI”
or  a “Professional Edition MSI”. In case of Professional Edition, The
Bat!   displays   a  dialog  box  whether  a  user  wishes  on-the-fly
encryption.
If  you run a single .EXE-file not from the MSI, The Bat! will ask you
what  edition do you have. You can also enter the registration key and
the program will extract the edition from the key.
Please  be  aware  that you can select to use or not to use on-the-fly
encryption  only during the clean install, i.e. there were no The Bat!
previously installed. If you like to change on-the-fly encryption back
or forth, you have to make full backup via the The Bat! BACKUP/RESTORE
wizard,  remove  The  Bat! completely, including the Registry entries,
run this beta and do the restore.
Please  note  that  this is a beta version and The Bat! BACKUP/RESTORE
may not yet work properly.

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[9Val]

Hello Martin,  

IMAP Server: uw-imap
Server OS:   don't know, perhaps RedHat 6.??

Network: LAN(office)/DialUp 21.6kbits(home)

TB! version: latest

Automatically connect to server:
At startup [ /X] (office/home)
When account is selected [ ]
For managing folders [ ]
With any command [ ]
[ ] Compress emptied folders automatically
[ ] When inactive, disconnect after [ ] seconds
[X] Retrieve message structures together with message headers
[ ] Compress folders when switching to another folder
[ ] Automatically disconnect after synchronisation
[X] When on-line, refresh folders every [2] minutes
[ ] Courier IMAP compatibility mode
[ ] Auto filtering
[X] When browsing messages, retrieve only message text
[X] except messages smaller than [10] K Bytes
[X] Use precise counters (needs fast connection)
[ ] Check mailbox at start-up
[ ] Periodical checking each [ ] minutes

[ /X] Local Outbox(office/home)

Total messages 20,000-25,000 (largest folder ~8,000 messages)

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testing 1 2 3

[Tony Boom]

Hello TBBETA,

  Just testing a new account.


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Re: Imagequality

[Günther Eisele]

Hei,

Lars Sölter wrote:

> But having a state of the art preview option inside the attachment
> tabs of The Bat! would be fine too.

Yeah, that would be fine. I think there should be standard routines
available which do not just a "resize", but a "resample" (speaking in the
words of IrfanView, imho the best available viewer). If you have loads of
pictures in a mail, it's more comfortable to scroll through these pictures
within TB! than to open each one in the external viewer or save them all
in a directory and view them from there.

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Re: To, CC, BCC Fields

[MAU]

Hello Graham,

>> This is a long standing issue but, on the other hand, there is an
>> alternative that many people forget about.
> 
> No we don't - but this mechanism is also flawed in that:-
> - You cannot paste addresses separated with newlines
> - you cannot move /copy LDAP searched for entries into you personal address book
> - you cannot get rid of the "Foster, Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, if you just want to
> view just short addresses
> - you cannot search across multiple address books at the same time
> - you cannot view the full properties of any address in a page/form view

You may be right in all you say, but I though we were just talking about
the inconvenience of including/editing many addresses in any of the To,
CC or BCC fields.

> As you can see - I view addressing to be awful in TB - and (sorry to
> say this) Outlook does a much more intelligent job most of the time.

I don't know. Outlook has never been installed on my systems.

Enjoy the weekend :)

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Re: To, CC, BCC Fields

[Foster, Graham]

Hello MAU


> This is a long standing issue but, on the other hand, there is an
> alternative that many people forget about.

No we don't - but this mechanism is also flawed in that:-
- You cannot paste addresses separated with newlines
- you cannot move /copy LDAP searched for entries into you personal address book
- you cannot get rid of the "Foster, Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, if you just want to 
view just short addresses
- you cannot search across multiple address books at the same time
- you cannot view the full properties of any address in a page/form view

As you can see - I view addressing to be awful in TB - and (sorry to say this) Outlook 
does a much more intelligent job most of the time.
  
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Re: To, CC, BCC Fields

[MAU]

Hello Graham,

>> I find the same behavior in the To and BCC fields as well.
> 
>> Can anyone confirm?
> Yes I can - it is "standard" behaviour - and it is irritating. I'd
> like to see the whole addressing / address editing issue re-engineered
> as a coordinated beta program

This is a long standing issue but, on the other hand, there is an
alternative that many people forget about. You can click on the AB icon
to the right most of each filed and you will see the list of addresses
you have already included in each the To, CC and BCC fields. You can
easily delete addresses there, as well as add new addresses from the AB
or by directly typing them on the little window at the bottom. You can't
directly edit one address that is already on the list though.

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Peter Fjelsten]

Allie,

On 05-11-2004 14:02, you [AM] wrote in
:
>> - this must mean that the folders are not actually sync'ed until
>> they're selected.

AM> This is true if you have the folders set not to sync or the periodic
AM> checking is disabled.

Or, that I am faster moving to another older than the server setting
flags... :)

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, November 05, 2004 at 7:39:52 AM [GMT -0500], Peter Fjelsten
wrote:

> If I move a message from Folder 1 to Folder 2 it now looks like this:

> Folder 1  10 <9>
> Folder 2  10 <11>

The move is carried out server side with the local cache being oblivious
of what happened. The same happens with deletions and this is why on
slow connections, the user deletes the message to see it still sitting
there in the message list. It disappears from the message list only
after it's deleted from the server. At least, that's what happens most
of the time. :)

> - this must mean that the folders are not actually sync'ed until
> they're selected.

This is true if you have the folders set not to sync or the periodic
checking is disabled.

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Peter Fjelsten]

Allie,

On 05-11-2004 13:21, you [AM] wrote in
:
AM> You now go to another location, start TB! there and the local cache
AM> for the folder still contains those messages you deleted. As a
AM> result, the local cache contains more messages than are actually on
AM> the server. With the next sync operation, the old messages are
AM> deleted from the list and the cache.

Yes, I know - but this one account I only access from one location
(company account not accessible from outside the company network).

Folder 1  10
Folder 2  10

If I move a message from Folder 1 to Folder 2 it now looks like this:

Folder 1  10 <9>
Folder 2  10 <11>

- this must mean that the folders are not actually sync'ed until they're
selected.

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, November 05, 2004 at 7:15:49 AM [GMT -0500], Peter Fjelsten
wrote:

AM>> Actually, it's the other way around.  is the number of messages on
AM>> the server and which hasn't yet been fully sync'd with what's local.

> I believe you - I just find it strange that there would be less e-mail
> on the server than locally before sync'ing.

At one location, you worked with the folder and deleted messages from it
while doing so.

You now go to another location, start TB! there and the local cache for
the folder still contains those messages you deleted. As a result, the
local cache contains more messages than are actually on the server. With
the next sync operation, the old messages are deleted from the list and
the cache.

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Peter Fjelsten]

Allie,

On 05-11-2004 13:04, you [AM] wrote in
:
AM> The more information you retrieve about a message, the more
AM> bandwidth is being used. So for slow connections, you should
AM> minimize what you retrieve in order to see what's on the server for
AM> reading.

That makes sense. Maybe I'm just spoilt for bandwidth, so I've never
noticed any big difference when I set stuff.

>> It means that the server holds 10 messages for that folder but the
>> local cache only holds 9.

AM> Actually, it's the other way around.  is the number of messages on
AM> the server and which hasn't yet been fully sync'd with what's local.

I believe you - I just find it strange that there would be less e-mail
on the server than locally before sync'ing.

>> After sync it only says 10. I forget what <*> means.

AM> That just means that there are messages on the server but the amount is
AM> yet to be determined.

OK.

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, November 05, 2004 at 2:02:17 AM [GMT -0500], Peter Fjelsten
wrote:

> [x] Check mailbox at start-up -> I don't think these
> [x] Periodical checking each [5] minutes  -> actually do anything?

The folder refreshing every x minutes simply does a server count
refresh. 

Check mailbox at startup and the periodical checking will do
synchronisations in the specified intervals and at startup. If none the
folders are set to be sync'd then these options really shouldn't be
doing anything.

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Allie Martin]

On Friday, November 05, 2004 at 3:47:52 AM [GMT -0500], Peter Fjelsten
wrote:

>>> 9Val explained this to me yesterday: "It retrieves information about
>>> all message parts (if it is multipart), and therefore knows about
>>> has message attachments or not"

KR>> Why would one not want this?

> Idunno - as Homer would say :)

The more information you retrieve about a message, the more bandwidth is
being used. So for slow connections, you should minimize what you
retrieve in order to see what's on the server for reading.

With Mulberry, the initial message information retrieved isn't enough
for even threading. If I wish to thread, it retrieves more information
for threading to be done. etc.

> If a folder looks like this:

> Folder10 <9>

> It means that the server holds 10 messages for that folder but the
> local cache only holds 9.

Actually, it's the other way around.  is the number of messages on
the server and which hasn't yet been fully sync'd with what's local.

> After sync it only says 10. I forget what <*> means.

That just means that there are messages on the server but the amount is
yet to be determined.

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Re: To, CC, BCC Fields

[Foster, Graham]

Hello Avi

> I find the same behavior in the To and BCC fields as well.

> Can anyone confirm?
Yes I can - it is "standard" behaviour - and it is irritating. I'd like to see the 
whole addressing / address editing issue re-engineered as a coordinated beta program
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To, CC, BCC Fields

[Avi Yashar]

This strange behavior might have existed for a while, but I only
noticed it today (in 3.0.2.4).

I pasted a long series of comma-separated email addresses into the CC
field. The strange thing is that whenever I click my mouse into that
field with the purpose of editing the addresses, TB always goes to the
very end of the series. It is very difficult to get to the beginning
if I want to make a change there.

I find the same behavior in the To and BCC fields as well.

Can anyone confirm?

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Peter Fjelsten]

Keith,

On 05-11-2004 09:29, you [KR] wrote in
:
KR>>> 2.[X] Retrieve message structures together with message
KR>>> headers

>> 9Val explained this to me yesterday: "It retrieves information about all
>> message parts (if it is multipart), and therefore knows about has
>> message attachments or not"

KR> Why would one not want this?

Idunno - as Homer would say :)

KR> [ ] When browsing messages, retrieve only message text
KR> [ ] except messages smaller than [ ] K Bytes

KR> if I check only the first box, no attachments will be downloaded,
KR> and if I check the first two and put a number in the third,
KR> attachments will be downloaded only if the message is smaller
KR> than nK bytes?

Yes. Or this is how I understand it. There seems to be a distinct lack
of documentation of (also) the daily builds.

>> This will show the message count on the server and not the difference
>> between server and cached count - doing away with <*> and 

KR> I'm confused by this one. What does the <*> mean, anyway, and
KR> what is "the difference between server and cached count"?

If a folder looks like this:

Folder10 <9>

It means that the server holds 10 messages for that folder but the local
cache only holds 9. After sync it only says 10. I forget what <*> means.

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Re[2]: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Friday, November 5, 2004, Bernd Distler wrote:

> [ ] When browsing messages, retrieve only message text
> [ ] except messages smaller than [ ] K Bytes
--->> Where can i find this option?

> [X] Use precise counters (needs fast connection)
--->> Where can i find this option?

this is under development and will appear in next build.

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Keith Russell]

Hello, Peter.

On Friday, November 5, 2004, 1:02:03 AM, you wrote:

KR>> Like Michael and Bernd, I wasn't able to find these, either. I
KR>> had a little trouble tracking down some of the others, as well,
KR>> since some are out of sequence.

> These are only available in the daily build from yesterday.

Ah...That explains it!

KR>> 2.[X] Retrieve message structures together with message headers

> 9Val explained this to me yesterday: "It retrieves information about all
> message parts (if it is multipart), and therefore knows about has
> message attachments or not"

Why would one not want this?

KR>> 3.[ ] When browsing messages, retrieve only message text

> In newer builds - so that if a message is greater than "n", TB! will not
> download attachments - a bit like the POP3 setting.

So, in

[ ] When browsing messages, retrieve only message text
[ ] except messages smaller than [ ] K Bytes

if I check only the first box, no attachments will be downloaded,
and if I check the first two and put a number in the third,
attachments will be downloaded only if the message is smaller
than nK bytes?

KR>> 4.[ ] Use precise counters (needs fast connection)

> This will show the message count on the server and not the difference
> between server and cached count - doing away with <*> and 

I'm confused by this one. What does the <*> mean, anyway, and
what is "the difference between server and cached count"?

Thanks for the reply!

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Re: IMAP: Optimum configuration

[Peter Fjelsten]

Keith,

On 05-11-2004 08:53, you [KR] wrote in
:
KR> Michael Acklin wrote:

 >> These I->[ ] When browsing messages, retrieve only message 
KR> text
 >> Could ->[ ] except messages smaller than [ ] K Bytes
 >> Not Find ->[ ] Use precise counters (needs fast connection)

KR> Like Michael and Bernd, I wasn't able to find these, either. I
KR> had a little trouble tracking down some of the others, as well,
KR> since some are out of sequence.

These are only available in the daily build from yesterday.

KR> 2.[X] Retrieve message structures together with message headers

9Val explained this to me yesterday: "It retrieves information about all
message parts (if it is multipart), and therefore knows about has
message attachments or not"

KR> 3.[ ] When browsing messages, retrieve only message text

In newer builds - so that if a message is greater than "n", TB! will not
download attachments - a bit like the POP3 setting.

KR> 4.[ ] Use precise counters (needs fast connection)

This will show the message count on the server and not the difference
between server and cached count - doing away with <*> and 

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