Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
On Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 2:41:09 AM [GMT -0500], Goncalo Farias wrote: If you're not using your computer you can't really be sure that you'll have access to a mail client with IMAP, are you? Most mainstream e-mail clients support IMAP. Even Outlook Express does. :) Furthermore, can't even tell if you're going to use TB! at all! True. But this is a possibility with anyone who is works on multiple machines as part of their day to day life. I have travelled a number of times since using IMAP and I've always found a client when I have a machine. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.5 _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . When money talks there are few interruptions. pgpSPIK46Cdqj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
On Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 2:32:03 AM [GMT -0500], Goncalo Farias wrote: That would be really useful if you had an unlimited size for your IMAP mailbox. That never the case! Since I run my own IMAP server, this *is* the case for me. The server runs on my working machine here at home. I connect to this machine from work and anywhere else I am and wish to read my mail. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.5 _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . It is bad luck to be superstitious. pgpXkiWKURSRL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
On Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 9:54:20 PM [GMT -0500], Avi Yashar wrote: Allie, I've been a lurker on this thread, because I've toyed with the idea of going to IMAP for a long while now. But I've always been put off by all of the complaints I read about IMAP clients, including TB. Once again, however, you've almost sold me on IMAP. But... If you really love TB!'s features, then you'll not find a client good enough to replace it, so if you look for better working IMAP than what TB! currently offers, you'll find it, but then, you'll lose not being able to work with some of TB!'s nice features. This is the case for me with ThunderBird. The above paragraph is unclear to me. I don't follow your reference to Gmail and Yahoo. Did you mean to say that using Webmail - essentially on a permanent basis (and with 1GB of space) - is a comparable alternative to IMAP. No. I'm just demonstrating that that server space provided by these services is increasing. 2 yrs ago, the space for a Yahoo account was 10MB. Not good for IMAP. Now it's 1 GB. Hard disk space is now cheaper and hence more is being provided, an advantage for IMAP providers/users. One practical question I have and maybe you can help me with it. For a while now, I have set up my own domain. The hosting service that I have states nothing about IMAP access for email (although I can set up unlimited email accounts with Webmail access). If I want to collect my email via IMAP, will I have to go looking for another hosting service or is this just something that I can easily set up for myself? (And, FWIW, whatever your response to the above, it seems to me that ease of use and availability of access are two more major disadvantages of IMAP that you did not list.) My own ISP doesn't provide IMAP as a service. I run my own IMAP server. I use MDaemon personally, but it's not free and you'll need the pro license. However, there are free solutions like Mercury/32 that you could use. They run very stably on your machine with very decent overhead. You can then connect to your machine when you're away from home or on another machine in your home. My laptop is in my bedroom and it's so easy to simply fire it up and manage my mail with it in a seamless fashion and connecting to the IMAP server on my little home LAN. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.5 _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . Upgrade: take old bugs out, put new ones in. pgp2WKqGrex6N.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
TB! and IMAP stability (was:Re: the bat! new wishes !!!)
On Thursday, February 17, 2005, 12:34, Allie Martin wrote: If you really love TB!'s features, then you'll not find a client good enough to replace it, so if you look for better working IMAP than what TB! currently offers, you'll find it, but then, you'll lose not being able to work with some of TB!'s nice features. This is the case for me with ThunderBird. Speaking of TB! and IMAP, I have myself considered switching to IMAP, but I am quite afraid of the reports of mailboxes emptying themselves. IIRC, you Allie has stumbled across this showstopper at least two times. Do you - or anyone else - know what has been done to improve the stability of TB!'s IMAP support? Are there any other major showstoppers I should be aware of before trying out IMAP? I am mainly interested in the risk of loosing emails, small annoyances does not bother me at this stage. Oh, I almost forgot the problem with remote outboxes. This does IMO qualify as a major bug, sending multiple emails is almost as bad as loosing emails. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! and IMAP stability (was:Re: the bat! new wishes !!!)
On Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 6:51:29 AM [GMT -0500], Marcus Ohlström wrote: Speaking of TB! and IMAP, I have myself considered switching to IMAP, but I am quite afraid of the reports of mailboxes emptying themselves. IIRC, you Allie has stumbled across this showstopper at least two times. This hasn't happened to me in a very long time, to the point where I think the problem no longer exists more than it exists for POP3. As you know, there have been reports of users losing mail while using POP3. No system is perfect, so I can't say it will never happen to you. Backing up is always something to do. Do you - or anyone else - know what has been done to improve the stability of TB!'s IMAP support? It seems stable here at the moment, at least v3.0.2.8 that doesn't use the newly implemented multiple connections to server. This latter feature is supposed to improve performance and efficiency of connections with the server but it's buggy at the moment. I'm eagerly awaiting the new beta. I can't really say that I'm patiently awaiting its arrival. I'm still using ThunderBird at work and wish not to. I have a TB! license for work that I'm not using. ;) Are there any other major showstoppers I should be aware of before trying out IMAP? I am mainly interested in the risk of loosing emails, small annoyances does not bother me at this stage. I've been using it for so long that I may leave things out. The best thing for you to do would be to try it and see what you'll personally be missing. Additionally, TB! IMAP works differently for different users because of the IMAP server they're using it with and the nature of their e-mail setup, i.e., the size mailboxes they work with etc. I had not really been having problems at home here until I decided to read mail in a neglected account that collects mail from a couple medically related lists. One folder contained, 18000 messages, of while 13000 were unread. I couldn't browse with TB! because of frequent server disconnections. I eventually fired up ThunderBird and browsed the folder with no problems whatsoever. Oh, I almost forgot the problem with remote outboxes. This does IMO qualify as a major bug, sending multiple emails is almost as bad as loosing emails. Make you outbox local and this eliminates the problem. Doing that is just a matter of disabling an option in the account preferences. -- ... . | IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.2.5 _.||* _ |\/| |IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro (_]|||(/,| | | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . As a matter of fact, no, I don't have a life. pgpm0ARRNnOji.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
Hello Allie, Thursday, February 17, 2005, 12:26:37 PM, you wrote: AM Since I run my own IMAP server, this *is* the case for me. The server AM runs on my working machine here at home. I connect to this machine AM from work and anywhere else I am and wish to read my mail. Do you know of a site (or any other source) where one could find what exactly is needed to run ones own mail server in a safe way? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.0.2.10 MyMacros 1.11 Useless Macro Collection 1.8.845 beta zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 5:20:38) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 06:34:14 -0500, Allie Martin wrote: If you really love TB!'s features, then you'll not find a client good enough to replace it, so if you look for better working IMAP than what TB! currently offers, you'll find it, but then, you'll lose not being able to work with some of TB!'s nice features. This is the case for me with ThunderBird. No doubt if I do go to IMAP, I will use TB as my client. Quite honestly, I am less concerned about the bugs in the bat than just the simple mechanics of the move. I don't like flying blind. No. I'm just demonstrating that that server space provided by these services is increasing. 2 yrs ago, the space for a Yahoo account was 10MB. Not good for IMAP. Now it's 1 GB. Hard disk space is now cheaper and hence more is being provided, an advantage for IMAP providers/users. I see. But what confused me here is that these servers don't offer IMAP - Gmail not at all and Yahoo at least not with their free service. So even if they gave you 10GB of space, you would still be working with POP3 until they enable IMAP. My own ISP doesn't provide IMAP as a service. I run my own IMAP server. I use MDaemon personally, but it's not free and you'll need the pro license. However, there are free solutions like Mercury/32 that you could use. They run very stably on your machine with very decent overhead. You can then connect to your machine when you're away from home or on another machine in your home. My laptop is in my bedroom and it's so easy to simply fire it up and manage my mail with it in a seamless fashion and connecting to the IMAP server on my little home LAN. I believe I follow what you are saying here. Sorry, I'm not very technical. If I understand correctly, I could take an old laptop with 30-40 GB of hard drive (got that - no problem), configure the laptop as an IMAP server (I reckon I can manage that), connect it via my permanent DSL connection (not too difficult), and that's it. All my mail is stored on the laptop, which collects the mail automatically somehow, and then when I want to use IMAP to check my mail, I simply connect to my laptop-IMAP-server. It all sounds good, but unfortunately I travel a lot - for weeks at a time. It seems to me that many things could go wrong with my laptop-IMAP-server while I am away. For example, a power blackout or forced reboot for whatever reason, and I could find myself for weeks with a problematic email connection and no local archive of messages. But I will think about it some more. Thanks a lot for the clarification. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.10 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
On Thursday, February 17, 2005, 13:19:37, Mark Partous wrote: Do you know of a site (or any other source) where one could find what exactly is needed to run ones own mail server in a safe way? First, use common sense. On the server, stop all unneeded services, and set the firewall to only allow connections from the inernet to the needed ports (for e-mail these are 25 for SMTP, 110 for POP3, 143 for IMAP, 995 for secure POP3 and 993 for secure IMAP); this is easier if you have a router, in this case just forward the ports you need. Next, make sure you follow the development of the services you're using, and always install security upgrades. And this is basically it. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.] Much work, much food; little work, little food; no work, burial at sea. -- Cook's Law Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
Hallo Mark, On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:19:37 +0100GMT (17-2-2005, 13:19 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MP Do you know of a site (or any other source) where one could find what exactly MP is needed to run ones own mail server in a safe way? It's easy. Block all ports that you don't need with a firewall or behind your router. Take care that you don't accept messages for non local destinations from unauthorized computers, you can do this by allowing relaying only for users who identified themselves properly (smtp authentication, pop before smtp, whatever) -- Groetjes, Roelof [EMAIL PROTECTED], my hard drive crash ate my Tagline File... The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp1ypzUSWBxU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Last 24hr Spam% stat
Hello NetVicious, Wednesday, February 16, 2005, 11:11:55 PM, you wrote: N /\/ Using The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Professional N / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 1) N /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 N Last 24 hour Spam% it's 76% N Moderator of Spanish TBUDL N Spanish Translation Coordinator of The Bat! I really like the last 24 hour spam% stat. I don't suppose you could share how to got it? :-) If its too O.T., reply to one of the other groups. Thanks! P.S. 76%?? whistles in awe -- Best regards, Johnmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
Goncalo Farias wrote: DG multiple locations. And with webmail access to the same mailbase, DG I don't even need to be on one of my own computers to access the DG same information. If you're not using your computer you can't really be sure that you'll have access to a mail client with IMAP, are you? Furthermore, can't even tell if you're going to use TB! at all! :) Re-read what I wrote: And with *WEBMAIL ACCESS* to the same mailbase, I don't even need to be on one of my own computers to access the same information. Although Allie brought up good points as well about this. -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Co-Tester wanted
Hello all, in order to better track a possible flaw, I need a person using TB who is willing to take the (small, because only _possible_) risk of a temporary crashing TB and has no fear of some traffic (flatrate-users welcome ;-) Please contact me via PM, the results will naturally reach Ritlabs and this list. The first to answer positive will be my victim ;-) Further information will go to this person. Thank you for your attention. -- regards C.Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
Hi Avi Yashar, On 17/02/2005 07:44 AM, you wrote: No doubt if I do go to IMAP, I will use TB as my client. Quite honestly, I am less concerned about the bugs in the bat than just the simple mechanics of the move. I don't like flying blind. IMAP's workings are largely seamless. Your actions etc. are pretty much the same as if the messages were local. I see. But what confused me here is that these servers don't offer IMAP - Gmail not at all and Yahoo at least not with their free service. So even if they gave you 10GB of space, you would still be working with POP3 until they enable IMAP. I just mentioned them to illustrate that the issue of server space is now becoming moot. You'll soon see IMAP being offered more and more by these services as bandwidth and server space become less and less of an issue for users and providers. I believe I follow what you are saying here. Sorry, I'm not very technical. If I understand correctly, I could take an old laptop with 30-40 GB of hard drive (got that - no problem), configure the laptop as an IMAP server (I reckon I can manage that), The server is just a piece of software that you install and run as you would your client. So yes, you could use your old laptop as a machine to use as your dedicated mailserver. However, note that I don't use a dedicated machine for this. connect it via my permanent DSL connection (not too difficult), and that's it. All my mail is stored on the laptop, which collects the mail automatically somehow, and then when I want to use IMAP to check my mail, I simply connect to my laptop-IMAP-server. That's right. It all sounds good, but unfortunately I travel a lot - for weeks at a time. It seems to me that many things could go wrong with my laptop-IMAP-server while I am away. For example, a power blackout or forced reboot for whatever reason, and I could find myself for weeks with a problematic email connection and no local archive of messages. But I will think about it some more. Thanks a lot for the clarification. Well, you're outlining other disadvantages to running your own server solution. Yes, you'd need a reliable machine that will reboot in the event of a power failure. You can set your server to autostart on rebooting. I've been running my own server for years and have traveled without having any significant problems. -- _ _ _ __ _| | (_) ___ /\/\ / _` | | | |/ _ \/\ | (_| | | | | __/ / /\/\ \ \__,_|_|_|_|\___|___\/\/ |_| A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Co-Tester wanted
Hi C.Ferrara, Thursday, February 17, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Hello all, in order to better track a possible flaw, I need a person using TB who is willing to take the (small, because only _possible_) risk of a temporary crashing TB and has no fear of some traffic (flatrate-users welcome ;-) Please contact me via PM, the results will naturally reach Ritlabs and this list. The first to answer positive will be my victim ;-) Further information will go to this person. Thank you for your attention. found one at Ritlabs :-)) -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :star: Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! new wishes !!!
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:53:57 -0500, Allie wrote: Well, you're outlining other disadvantages to running your own server solution. Yes, you'd need a reliable machine that will reboot in the event of a power failure. You can set your server to autostart on rebooting. I've been running my own server for years and have traveled without having any significant problems. Thanks, Allie, I am clear about this process now. I understand about the auto-start mechanism. I have been doing something similar with my Windows workstation in the office, on which I have installed an FTP server so that I can access my files on that machine and not just on the office UNIX network. But I have faced occasional problems with the machine going down and the FTP server not restarting. Also the IP address has sometimes changed - although when I call in the sysops, they always straighten that out. So I guess sometime in the next few months - after I get a new laptop (and the current one becomes a spare) - I might give this a whirl. Hard to say right now, because I am also a bit comfortable with my current arrangement, in which I already have a comprehensive archive of my email messages on my personal Web server - even though I am inclined to think that it might make more sense to set this up via Gmail (especially now that I've got 50 invites for each Gmail account - an immense amount of server space). Okay, there is no fancy filing of messages, but then it is possible that Google is right about this - that filing of messages into folders is somewhat redundant (and archaic) when you have a good search engine and can also use filters and tags (if inclined). The only thing I really miss right now is the seamless factor that you have described so well. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.10 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
rss2pop3 question
Just two quick questions about this very useful plugin - is it possible to store and have queried several feeds from within one account? For the moment I have maybe 6 extra accounts that have the mere purpose of querying one feed, then a filter takes over and moves them all to my RSS folder. - German special characters are not displayed correctly in the subject line which makes everything somewhat difficult to read (unless you don't stick to the English speaking world). Thanks, Oliver Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: rss2pop3 question
Hello Oliver, on Thursday, 17. February 2005, at 19:18:34 [GMT +0100] you wrote regarding rss2pop3 question: - is it possible to store and have queried several feeds from within one account? For the moment I have maybe 6 extra accounts that have the mere purpose of querying one feed, then a filter takes over and moves them all to my RSS folder. With the actual ASP for plugins of TheBat! this is not possible :( -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 3.0.2.10 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de pgpBeUgCASoSr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Inbox - known question
Het is donderdag 17 februari 2005 en 20:04:05 uur : Hallo tbbeta, don't know if this is off-topic but something's nagging I still can't figure out what the use is for the 'inbox - known' folder. Can anyone please explain that to me? Allie? Private or on the list, you decide. Thanks. -- groeten, Rubeo, who was just listening to: Trans-Europe Express | Kraftwerk - Metal on Metal Quiet please, I am analyzing. Burp - Robbie The Bat! 3.0.2.10 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Inbox - known question
Cees said the following on 02/17/2005 13:05: don't know if this is off-topic but something's nagging I still can't figure out what the use is for the 'inbox - known' folder. Can anyone please explain that to me? Allie? Private or on the list, you decide. If you make the pre-installed Known filter active, all email from addresses in your Address Book will be filtered to your Inbox - Known folder. Remember that filters are processed in order, so the order of the Known filter can make a big difference. -- Dave Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Keep to One Subject in Each E-Mail
Hello Tbbeta, E-mails covering multiple topics are difficult to file, and even more difficult to retrieve. Multiple-topic messages also cause a problem when I need to forward only part of information. I have to cut and paste to create a new e-mail, or have to send the attached message entirety - and leave it to the next reader to sort through the irrelevant material. It's also very hard to reply to multiple-topic email. You seldom instantly know the answers to all of the questions. You will either be unable to reply to such a message at all, or you may reply to a couple of topics and postpone handing the others, finally forgetting to reply to the remaining parts. For ease filing, forwarding and replying, it's better to address only one topic in each e-mail, not specifically in TBBETA, but in general. This thought is not related to the recent traffic of this mailing list. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello Tbbeta, Just a thought... I have a feeling that acronyms such as BCNU, FWIW, OBO, TNSTAAFL, etc, annoy people rather than amuse them even here in TBBETA. If you are using these as shortcust, remember that artificial acronyms may be a shortcut for the writer, but they will not be easily interpreted by those unfamiliar with them. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: rss2pop3 question
Hello all, Thursday, February 17, 2005, Thomas Martin wrote: - is it possible to store and have queried several feeds from within one account? For the moment I have maybe 6 extra accounts that have the mere purpose of querying one feed, then a filter takes over and moves them all to my RSS folder. With the actual ASP for plugins of TheBat! this is not possible :( Did You thought API Thomas? :-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: rss2pop3 question
Hello Marek, on Thursday, 17. February 2005, at 21:58:30 [GMT +0100] you wrote regarding rss2pop3 question: With the actual ASP for plugins of TheBat! this is not possible :( Did You thought API Thomas? :-) Yes that *going to punsih my keyboard* -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 3.0.2.10 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de pgpkjjGcb7c22.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Good evening Max, on Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:26:38 +0200 GMT your local time you wrote: MM using these as shortcust, remember that artificial acronyms may be a shortcut for MM the writer, but they will not be easily interpreted by those unfamiliar with them. why not let TB (the viewer part) back the writer? As implemented in the fabulous news reader 40tude dialog you could consider implementing a (possibly language dependant) file 'acrolang.dat' that contains all known acronyms in the form ACRO=meaning. The viewer can display the acronyms underlined and if the user places the mouse over it, it can display the meaning in a bubble near the mouse cursor. When reading usenet postings I personally find it very helpful. And when reading email messages with TB I sometimes miss it :-) -- Regards, Peter Using Ritlabs TheBat! 3.0.2.10 (OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Antispam Bayes Filter Plugin 2.0.2 (Open Source)
Hallo, there is a new bugfixed and now hopefully stable version of the Bayes Filter Plugin available. I hope you will enjoy it. - Added: time information (log file) - Added: DNS server check - Added: decoding of encoded from headerfields - Added: check if the spam filtering is activated in The Bat! - Improved: speed optimizations in some main loops - Improved: more logging information (verbose and non verbose mode) - Bugfix: some mails with encoded content could produce an exception - Bugfix: DNS request cache was to aggressive - Bugfix: strange DNS error messages in the log file - Bugfix: some bugs within mailparser - Bugfix: verbose logging was some times very very slow - Bugfix: the macro text gets doubled if you use it twice Your can download the setup file from my homepage or you can use the update function of the plugin. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Achim Winkler (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.lkcc.org/achim) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello Peter, Peter Hampf wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): The viewer can display the acronyms underlined and if the user places the mouse over it, it can display the meaning in a bubble near the mouse cursor. Nice idea, but please not now or in near future. We all are waiting for new beta - and after the release I think there is enough work with bugfixing (logical, because of the heavyset changes) so IMHO no time for feature requests. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello Peter, Thursday, February 17, 2005, 23:10:06, you wrote: The viewer can display the acronyms underlined and if the user places the mouse over it, it can display the meaning in a bubble near the mouse cursor. When reading usenet postings I personally find it very helpful. And when reading email messages with TB I sometimes miss it :-) That's a cute idea! Another way of solving this problem may be a feature to automatically expand the acronyms. The feature will be ON by default, and the users enought advanced to comprehend the acronyms will be also able to turn this feature OFF. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello Boris, Thursday, February 17, 2005, 23:28:45, you wrote: Nice idea, but please not now or in near future. We all are waiting for new beta - and after the release I think there is enough work with bugfixing (logical, because of the heavyset changes) so IMHO no time for feature requests. I agree! -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
RE: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello Peter, Thursday, February 17, 2005, 10:10:06 PM, you wrote: MM using these as shortcust, remember that artificial acronyms may be a shortcut for MM the writer, but they will not be easily interpreted by those unfamiliar with them. why not let TB (the viewer part) back the writer? As implemented in the fabulous news reader 40tude dialog you could consider implementing a (possibly language dependant) file 'acrolang.dat' that contains all known acronyms in the form ACRO=meaning. The viewer can display the acronyms underlined and if the user places the mouse over it, it can display the meaning in a bubble near the mouse cursor. hey I *really* like that!!! -- regards, :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind. For men it's called lying. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush, Opera v8.00.7401 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject 'PGP key request' pgpajLkqrrxIs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
On Thursday, February 17, 2005, at 10:27:46 PM, Maxim Masiutin wrote the following words: That's a cute idea! Another way of solving this problem may be a feature to automatically expand the acronyms. The feature will be ON by default, and the users enought advanced to comprehend the acronyms will be also able to turn this feature OFF. I couldn't disagree more. Any ON by default modifications of messages are a major no-no for me. I don't want to try to respond to someone and ask why they wrote this or that, when they did not, and it only was displayed for me. No, no, no. -- .^,-. sin(pi)ICQ=3.146019 -\---/---X---/- IQ=sin(3.14) `-'|`-' Confucius say: Man who meow eat pussy. Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello MaXxX! On Thursday, February 17, 2005, 3:51 PM, you wrote: That's a cute idea! Another way of solving this problem may be a feature to automatically expand the acronyms. The feature will be ON by default, and the users enought advanced to comprehend the acronyms will be also able to turn this feature OFF. I couldn't disagree more. Any ON by default modifications of messages are a major no-no for me. I don't want to try to respond to someone and ask why they wrote this or that, when they did not, and it only was displayed for me. No, no, no. I agree with you, MaXxX. If this feature is supplied, the option should be reversed--OFF by dafault, ON by application-users' choice. However--although certainly it should not go in this beta series, in my opinion--the hover-mouse idea (40-tude given as example) would suit me very well, and better than the expanded idea. It's a Trillian Instant Messenger dialogue feature and I have enjoyed it very much. (Trillian's version defines words, also; I think that I would prefer not to have it that expanded in The Bat!) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
the bat! wishes
Hi, First, thank you to all who help me identify the sending... and resending message mystery. It was, as some of you thought about, a outbox issue, apparently I solved itI appologized !!! Here is an update list of possible The Bat! enhancements (perhaps some of you have already read some of them) : 1. what about adding the ability of choosing ldap adress books in the options/preferences/system/autocomplete adress from... All adress books ... 2. What about adding an option in the options/preferences dialog to give the possibility to the user to store its preferences in a local .ini file in case of storing the bat! and e-mails on a usb key ? 3. Adding the ability to share an address book with the timechaos software... Should I add those suggestions on the Ritlabs Bt system ? -- Claude Renaud MSN Messenger : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Last 24hr Spam% stat
jueves, 17 feb 2005 at 13:05, it seems you wrote:
I really like the last 24 hour spam% stat. I don't suppose you could
share how to got it? :-) If its too O.T., reply to one of the other
groups. Thanks!
P.S. 76%?? whistles in awe
It's very easy, you need to use the %STATSPAMLETTERS(24) macro of
BayesIt.
Sometimes the stats are wrong. Now I downloaded mails, I got 95
messages of spam of 149 messages received.
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Re: the bat! wishes
Hallo Claude, On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:21:35 +0100GMT (17-2-2005, 23:21 +0100, where I live), you wrote: CR 1. CR what about adding the ability of choosing ldap adress books in the CR options/preferences/system/autocomplete adress from... All adress CR books ... LDAP address books are included in the 'All Address Books', at least they were when I was playing with LDAP in the v2 series. CR 2. CR What about adding an option in the options/preferences dialog to give the CR possibility to the user to store its preferences in a local .ini file CR in case of storing the bat! and e-mails on a usb key ? And where would you like to store that value? In the registry, so that you need the registry after all? Or in the .ini file, so that all users on the same computer are bound to same settings? A .ini file only works when you don't use the registry and when you don't use the registry, it's hard to make a difference between different user profiles... CR 3. CR Adding the ability to share an address book with the timechaos CR software... s I don't use TC myself, I couldn't care less. Sharing the AB sounds cool, but who's got to change the AB-format: TB or TC? CR Should I add those suggestions on the Ritlabs Bt system ? Not for me, but YMMV -- Groetjes, Roelof Being right too soon is socially unacceptable. -- Heinlein Û The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpITcD9eN1Kf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the bat! wishes
Roelof Otten wrote: RO On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:21:35 +0100GMT (17-2-2005, 23:21 +0100, RO where I live), you wrote: CR What about adding an option in the options/preferences dialog to CR give the possibility to the user to store its preferences in a CR local .ini file in case of storing the bat! and e-mails on a usb CR key ? RO And where would you like to store that value? In the registry, so that RO you need the registry after all? Or in the .ini file, so that all RO users on the same computer are bound to same settings? I think it's a good idea. Instead of an option TB! could check for the presence of the_bat.ini on startup, or the ini file could be specified as a command line parameter. The command line would be more flexible, though checking for the presence of a specifically named ini file might be safer; if you clicked the exe instead of the right shortcut on a foreign computer, you could easily contaminate the registry. Of course with either of these methods there'd need to be a way to create the ini file in the first place. Maybe TB! could read/write a registry export file. Then you could export TB!'s registry key on your home computer and put it on the USB key. Any preference changes you made on the road could optionally be made to the home system by simply importing the updated file. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello Maxim, When reading usenet postings I personally find it very helpful. And when reading email messages with TB I sometimes miss it :-) That's a cute idea! Another way of solving this problem may be a feature to automatically expand the acronyms. The feature will be ON by default, and the users enought advanced to comprehend the acronyms will be also able to turn this feature OFF. I'm sure you have heard me and others talk about our previous e-mail client/newsreader called Virtual Access that I used for some 7 years. Well, VA had an option (kind of a plugin IIRC :) that, if activated, when placing the cursor over an acronym it would show a tool-tip with the expansion. I wonder where 40tude got the idea from ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Winamp Playing: Slow Train Soul - Twisted Cupid (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Antispam Bayes Filter Plugin 2.0.2 (Open Source)
Achim Winkler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hallo, there is a new bugfixed and now hopefully stable version of the Bayes Filter Plugin available. I hope you will enjoy it. - Added: time information (log file) - Added: DNS server check - Added: decoding of encoded from headerfields - Added: check if the spam filtering is activated in The Bat! - Improved: speed optimizations in some main loops - Improved: more logging information (verbose and non verbose mode) - Bugfix: some mails with encoded content could produce an exception - Bugfix: DNS request cache was to aggressive - Bugfix: strange DNS error messages in the log file - Bugfix: some bugs within mailparser - Bugfix: verbose logging was some times very very slow - Bugfix: the macro text gets doubled if you use it twice Your can download the setup file from my homepage or you can use the update function of the plugin. I am trying out your plugin, but every time I close and reopen The Bat! the plugin is not loaded and I have to add it again! -- Best regards, Kian Andersen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://neksus.dk | http://paradiselost.dk | http://neksus.wincustomize.com The Bat! 3.0.2.10 with Windows XP Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Antispam Bayes Filter Plugin 2.0.2 (Open Source)
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:15:11 +0100GMT (17-2-2005, 22:15 +0100, where I live), Achim Winkler wrote: AW there is a new bugfixed and now hopefully stable version of the Bayes AW Filter Plugin available. I hope you will enjoy it. ...snip AW Your can download the setup file from my homepage or you can use the AW update function of the plugin. Thanks, up en running -- cheers, Henk __ The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0.1.33 Professional on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey available at http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x12069B93DBE6E678 Gossamer Spider Web of Trust GSWoT http://www.gswot.org/ A Progressive and Innovative Web of Trust Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the bat! wishes
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : RO Hallo Claude, RO On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:21:35 +0100GMT (17-2-2005, 23:21 +0100, where I RO live), you wrote: CR 2. CR What about adding an option in the options/preferences dialog to give the CR possibility to the user to store its preferences in a local .ini file CR in case of storing the bat! and e-mails on a usb key ? RO And where would you like to store that value? In the registry, so that RO you need the registry after all? Or in the .ini file, so that all RO users on the same computer are bound to same settings? RO A .ini file only works when you don't use the registry and when you RO don't use the registry, it's hard to make a difference between RO different user profiles... That's not true! Even TB! already uses the Document and Settings directory ( ie, C:\Documents and Settings\USER\Application Data\TheBat!) to store the mailboxes among other things. The programmers could argue that it's less convenient than using the registry but Delphi (they programmed TB! using Delphi, right) already has some nifty functions to deal with INI file, AFAIK. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias In an atomic war, all men will be cremated equal. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Antispam Bayes Filter Plugin 2.0.2 (Open Source)
On 2005-02-18 (07:53), you wrote:
but every time I close and reopen The Bat!
the plugin is not loaded and I have to add it again!
Not confirmed; I just updated Achim's filter, and it works fine - plugin
is remembered in TB!
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudacik
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