Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return fixed 0004286
Hello Francis, Saturday, April 2, 2005, 8:53:23 AM, among other things, you wrote: FD [-] button attachement works For me it only works in 'Folder view', not in the preview window. -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.0.9.12 Return, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.11 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hi 9Val and list, on Friday 1. April 2005 um 22:14 schrieben Sie: Yes, easily. That's the only password-protected account issue I can reproduce. The famous password-window occurs here (reproducible) in the following constellation: all POP3-accounts are combined in one user-group. The only Administrator account is an IMAP account (protected with a separate password). Logged in (TB!) as Administrator - all accounts are available. (First login with Imap-account-name and password). After starting TB! I have to enter the account password once more (why? I logged in with that password already). After connecting to the IMAP server each and every modification on folder-level brings the password window again. Enter the IMAP folder management window (Alt-F7) and directly close - no other action: The account password window opens, the account tree (with expanded folders) is blank and only redrawn after entering the password again. HTH -- Regards Michael Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
display folders of account
when i display the folders of an account, the column moves. see attach files (t.b. 3.09.11 and 3.09.12) -- :italy2: I am :Livio: attachment: close.pngattachment: open.png Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP: Encoding when only-text
Hi tbbeta, I'm not quite sure, if this hasn't been reported yet. Furthermore, I'm not quite sure, if this problem is related to this pre-beta cycle. So, the problem: I've checked the option to just download message text if size is bigger than xx kbytes. When I receive a big message (bigger than xx kbytes) and TB! should only display the message text, TB! ignores the message encoding. When encoding is quoted-printable the text is shown with the known =20 signs. I attached a screenshot. -- Bye, Manuel, (http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de) The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 attachment: imap.png pgpqkjtqho967.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return fixed BT 0004286
Hello Roger, RP For me it only works in 'Folder view', not in the preview window. I don't understand what is Folder view and Preview windows. The only place I use the button (but that's only the use I make) is in the main windows, with the messages list, the count list and the preview of the message focised in the message list windows. Here, the button, below the button to verify PGP sig or the sender's photo works. I have never noticed other place where the button can be viewed. May you explain in what place the button still don't work ? -- Regards, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v.3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return fixed BT 0004286
Hello tbbeta, FD Here, the button, below the button to verify PGP sig or the sender's FD photo works. beside, not below. Apologize, english is not my mother tongue: mine is the official olympic ! -- Regards, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v.3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: display folders of account
Il 02/04/2005 alle 11.41, Livio [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: when i display the folders of an account, the column moves. see attach files (t.b. 3.09.11 and 3.09.12) Confirmed here. Very annoying. Still the folder list scrollbar has blank space at its bottom, as already reported. -- Giampaolo Bellavite - Milano [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PGP key available) ICQ# 9936 - MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return fixed BT 0004286
Hello Francis, Saturday, April 2, 2005, 11:58:18 AM, among other things, you wrote: FD I don't understand what is Folder view and Preview windows. If you focus on a message in the view that you use ( I think it is the pre-view window) and then press 'Enter' you will get the so-called 'Folder view'. A single pane showing one message only. -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.0.9.12 Return, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return fixed BT 0004286
Hello Roger, RP If you focus on a message in the view that you use ( I think it is the RP pre-view window) and then press 'Enter' you will get the so-called RP 'Folder view'. A single pane showing one message only. I didnt notice I could set behaviour for attachments in the Preview window. Not confirmed as the same bug as BT 0004286: the button did'nt work. In the Preview window, there is NO button, at all !!! I confirm that :-) -- Regards, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v.3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Virtual Folder inconsistancy
Hello Peter, A reminder of what Peter Ouwehand typed on: April 1, 2005 at 01:31:17 GMT +0200 PO message with reference PO mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you [SC] PO wrote (at least in part): PO How about Ctrl+= or [View | Display | All Messages ] ? SC As long as you are in the Virtual folder these do not work either. PO They work just fine here in VF's and normal folders. PO Hence, I can't confirm your issue. Me too. :) I just closed TB! and reloaded it and it now works, except for escape. It seems that once you start getting the AV's that everything starts to function differently. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return fixed BT 0004286
Hello Francis, A reminder of what Francis Dhumes typed on: April 2, 2005 at 14:15:08 GMT +0200 RP If you focus on a message in the view that you use ( I think it is the RP pre-view window) and then press 'Enter' you will get the so-called RP 'Folder view'. A single pane showing one message only. FD I didnt notice I could set behaviour for attachments in the Preview FD window. FD Not confirmed as the same bug as BT 0004286: the button did'nt work. FD In the Preview window, there is NO button, at all !!! I confirm that FD :-) Here in pre-view mode the button works as it should. In folder view I had it set to view as pane. I then changed it under View/attachments/Button. The pane disappeared and no button. I then selected Pane again and this time the button showed up and continues to stay after closing and reopening the message. There is no check mark beside the selection in the menu. Confirmations? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: display folders of account
Hello Livio, A reminder of what Livio typed on: April 2, 2005 at 11:41:27 GMT +0200 L when i display the folders of an account, the column moves. L see attach files L (t.b. 3.09.11 and 3.09.12) Yes and if you have more levels or a narrower space it forces the numbers out of site. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
AV's in Pre-view mode
Hello tbbeta, I get an AV in pre-view mode when I try to reply, print, forward etc. If I double click the message to see the Folder view then I can do all these things. Confirmations? -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.9.12 Attachement button
(changing subject, nothing do with BT 0004286) Hello Stuart, Le samedi 2 avril 2005 à 15:48:06, you wrote : SC Here in pre-view mode the button works as it should. In folder view I SC had it set to view as pane. Not confirmed. SC I then changed it under View/attachments/Button. The pane disappeared and no button. Not confirmed: I have got the button. SC I then selected Pane again and this time the button showed up and continues SC to stay after closing and reopening the message. Not confirmed. The button shows immediatly. SC There is no check mark beside the selection in the menu. SC Confirmations? I confirm: the button is present, no pane, but pane is checked. Check button: reopen menu, Button is checked. Close TB!, open TB!, reopen menu: Pane is checked but button displayed. -- Regards, Francismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v.3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV's in Pre-view mode
Hello Stuart, A reminder of what Stuart Cuddy typed on: April 2, 2005 at 07:56:08 GMT -0600 SC I get an AV in pre-view mode when I try to reply, print, forward SC etc. If I double click the message to see the Folder view then I can SC do all these things. SC Confirmations? This problem only seems to start happening after you open a folder view. Once you get one AV they just keep on coming, but launching the folder view allows you to continue working. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return fixed BT 0004286
Hello Stuart, On 02 April 2005 at 07:48:06 GMT -0600 (which was 15:48:06 where I live), Stuart Cuddy wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return fixed BT 0004286: Here in pre-view mode the button works as it should. In folder view I had it set to view as pane. I then changed it under View/attachments/Button. The pane disappeared and no button. I then selected Pane again and this time the button showed up and continues to stay after closing and reopening the message. There is no check mark beside the selection in the menu. Confirmations? I partly confirm what you are describing as when you close TB! and view the mesaage again, the icon (Pane?) in the message window is gone. So, you have to repeat your actions in order to get the icon (Pane?) back. -- Best regards, Dick ___ Reality is a crutch for people who can't face drugs. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV's in Pre-view mode
Hello Stuart, On 02 April 2005 at 07:56:08 GMT -0600 (which was 15:56:08 where I live), Stuart Cuddy wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of AV's in Pre-view mode: Hello tbbeta, I get an AV in pre-view mode when I try to reply, print, forward etc. If I double click the message to see the Folder view then I can do all these things. Confirmations? Sometimes.when you get the AV (as with me), close TB!, start it and then you can reply, etc from the preview mode. I've noticed that many AVs are not reproducible anymore after you shutdown TB! and start it again. Actions that are causing AVs don't after a fresh restart (poor memory management of TB!...?). -- Best regards, Dick ___ Artificial Intelligence: The art of making real computers act like the ones in movies. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.12 Attachement button
Hello Francis, A reminder of what Francis Dhumes typed on: April 2, 2005 at 16:25:11 GMT +0200 FD (changing subject, nothing do with BT 0004286) FD Hello Stuart, FD Le samedi 2 avril 2005 à 15:48:06, you wrote : SC Here in pre-view mode the button works as it should. In folder view I SC had it set to view as pane. FD Not confirmed. Are you saying you can't get the button to work at all in pre-view mode. SC I then changed it under View/attachments/Button. The pane disappeared and no button. FD Not confirmed: I have got the button. This must depend on how you had it set before. snip SC There is no check mark beside the selection in the menu. SC Confirmations? FD I confirm: the button is present, no pane, but pane is checked. FD Check button: reopen menu, Button is checked. FD Close TB!, open TB!, reopen menu: Pane is checked but button FD displayed. Seems there is some work to do yet. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV's in Pre-view mode
Hello Dick, A reminder of what Dick H typed on: April 2, 2005 at 16:28:13 GMT +0200 DH Sometimes.when you get the AV (as with me), close TB!, DH start it and then you can reply, etc from the preview mode. DH I've noticed that many AVs are not reproducible anymore after DH you shutdown TB! and start it again. Actions that are causing AVs DH don't after a fresh restart (poor memory management of TB!...?). For me it seems that as long as I don't use folder view I am OK. If I open folder view once, its still OK. If I open folder view a second time I start to get AV's. If I then try to reply, print etc in pre-view I get AV's. If I then launch folder view I can continue toe reply etc. Confirmed that restarting The Bat! seems to reset everything. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return is now available
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:35:31 +0300GMT (1-4-2005, 18:35 +0100, where I live), 9Val wrote: [-] Minor : Minimise in Tray menu Forgive my ignorance. But what does this mean? -- cheers, Henk __ The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0.9.12 Professional on Windows XP SP2 When your key is not certified with a trusted signature! Keysigning is possible when you have a X.509 certificate from Thawte or CAcert with your name on it pgpLV8GPMNjRy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return is now available
Hello Henk, Henk Bruijn wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): [-] Minor : Minimise in Tray menu Forgive my ignorance. But what does this mean? Right click on the Tray Icon open a context menu. In prebetas the entry minimise was missing. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV's in Pre-view mode
Hello Stuart, Stuart Cuddy wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): For me it seems that as long as I don't use folder view I am OK. If I open folder view once, its still OK. If I open folder view a second time I start to get AV's. If I then try to reply, print etc in pre-view I get AV's. If I then launch folder view I can continue toe reply etc. Confirmed that restarting The Bat! seems to reset everything. Well done. Better late than never. PS: 18h before: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.12 Return is now available
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:56:22 +0200GMT (2-4-2005, 16:56 +0100, where I live), Boris Anders wrote: Henk Bruijn wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): [-] Minor : Minimise in Tray menu Forgive my ignorance. But what does this mean? Right click on the Tray Icon open a context menu. In prebetas the entry minimise was missing. Do I understand this correctly, that the only advantage is that you can now choose between maximise and close? -- cheers, Henk __ The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0.9.12 Professional on Windows XP SP2 When your key is not certified with a trusted signature! Keysigning is possible when you have a X.509 certificate from Thawte or CAcert with your name on it pgpUr8nU4CMRP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
AV on move to next message Ctrl+]
Hello TBBETA, In main window using the full length account tree with folder selected and Ctrl+] to move to next message I receive the following AV: --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 0068B95F in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 3436313A. --- OK --- -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
View menu missing text
Hello TBBETA, The 'View' menu is missing text where you can chose which headers you want to view on the message pane. Also the sub-menu does NOT work. If I select 'Created' it is NOT displayed in the message pane. Only way to add headers to message pane is by right mouse clicking the message pane and then Header | choose header. I've mentioned this with previous Pre-betas. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Cosmetic Issue
Hello 9Val, here a funny[1] cosmetic bug (but exists even in 3.0.1RC6), reported on batboard.de : Settings: Sender photos disabled Display current part size enabled Attached fiels view as button If you jump from a signed message to another signed message, the size jump between the signed and attachment button. See screenshot. [1] Don't know why, but this bug is funny for me. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.deattachment: cosmetic.gif Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Rich Text View when Plain Text chosen?
Hello TBBETA, On the Options | Preferences | Viewer/Editor I have the following chosen: ,- [ Options chosen ] | View plain text messages using | Plain text viwer | | View HTML message using | Plain text version and HTML | | View messages with alternative layout (Text and HTML) as | Plain text version and HTML `- So why do I see RTV when looking at Sean's message per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Shouldn't I see PTV? -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
AV on F4 with text selected to reply to message from main window
Hello TBBETA, When I have text selected using F4 to reply in the main window using full length account tree I receive the following AV: --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 0068B95F in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0114. --- OK --- -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yes, it is (Was: 3.0.9.10: Is TB loosing incoming messages?)
Hello MAU, On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:48:08 +0200 GMT(3/31/2005, 7:48 AM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote: I cannot really prove (I wish I could) it but it looks like TB may be loosing some incoming messages. Fortunately I think I can prove it. I was lucky enough to find another message with no headers (like the 0 bytes ones) in my Inbox, not 0 bytes this time, and that is only part of the message sent by the client to the 'licensing' alias that I had not received. I think this is a first with TB. Is this a problem with v3.0.9.12 as well? -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV on F4 with text selected to reply to message from main window
Hello Greg, Greg Strong wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): When I have text selected using F4 to reply in the main window using full length account tree I receive the following AV: Maybe the same as mentioned in: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: View menu missing text
Hello Greg, Greg Strong wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): The 'View' menu is missing text where you can chose which headers you want to view on the message pane. Can't confirm. Main menu it's one top, in folder view it's on the button Header autoview Also the sub-menu does NOT work. Confirmed for folder view. (It works fine in menu). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yes, it is (Was: 3.0.9.10: Is TB loosing incoming messages?)
Hello MAU, On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:48:08 +0200 GMT(3/31/2005, 7:48 AM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote: Maybe the same as mentioned in: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Probably I don't have much time to read TBBETA during week. So on Saturday after running errands I sit down and test current Beta with I nice cup of coffee. Very enjoyable and relaxing with a chance to see what is cooking on the current TB Beta. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yes, it is (Was: 3.0.9.10: Is TB loosing incoming messages?)
Hello Greg, On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:21:13 -0600 GMT(4/2/2005, 1:21 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Strong wrote: Probably I don't have much time to read TBBETA during week. So on Saturday after running errands I sit down and test current Beta with I nice cup of coffee. Very enjoyable and relaxing with a chance to see what is cooking on the current TB Beta. Whooohaaa! Tb v3.0.9.12 F4 reply is messed up or there is something in the coffee I'm drinking. This was meant to be a reply to Boris's message per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyhow I've re-booted into another OS partion with v3.0.2.10 and saw this reply. I should have caught the issue to begin with because I did know of the problem with F4. Anyhow :-) -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Attention Moderators
Hello Moderators, The footer of current messages read: Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return Should it not say: Current alpha is 3.0.9.12 Return Current beta is 3.0.2.10 Also, it is getting more difficult to find beta posts in the maze of alpha posts that fail to identify themselves. Perhaps using the term alpha in the subject line would not be too much to ask? That way it would be easy to filter those emails to trash. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.10 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
Dear Bill, @2-Apr-2005, 13:43 -0600 (02-Apr 20:43 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TB: W Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return Correct. That is the version we are all engaged in testing right now. W Should it not say: W Current alpha is 3.0.9.12 Return W Current beta is 3.0.2.10 No. 3.0.2.10 is not the current beat version. Sure, it was the last stable beta we saw, but any beta test reports on that version are worthless to us here or to RITlabs. I accept that the 3.0.9 series is the least stable beta series ever brought to air in the history of TB betas. But it is a radical set of changes. It is also improving with every iteration. I now find it very usable with only a few quirks and discomforts. W Also, it is getting more difficult to find beta posts in the maze W of alpha posts that fail to identify themselves. Perhaps using the W term alpha in the subject line would not be too much to ask? W That way it would be easy to filter those emails to trash. I don't understand this point at all. Either you are taking part in the testing of new versions as announced on the TBBETA list (whether they are described as alpha, pre-beta or whatever) or you only want to use stable / released versions. The use of the phrase pre-beta is nothing more than an acknowledgement by RITlabs that they have (being put under pressure by an impatient beta test team) released this series a little earlier in the development process than they might have wished. That doesn't mean it's not a beta. Quite the contrary. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpAQ8YAPMVYW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
Hello Bill, On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:43:58 -0600 GMT(4/2/2005, 1:43 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill McCarthy wrote: That way it would be easy to filter those emails to trash. Isn't this asking a bit much for those of us who are helping RitLabs identify issues while doing a MAJOR re-write of the UI? After all most of the messages in TBBETA deal with current pre-beta file. Maybe another list, but I don't thing moderators would go for this. I have a good ideal! How about RitLabs identifying pre-beta condition on http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ after you logg into to down load the Beta or Pre-beta. This way you will be able to know the status of the development process without reading TBBETA messages altogether. If you do not want to be involved with the pre-beta process, you can turn off messages being sent to you from TBBETA. This way everybody is happy. No new list for moderators to monitor. You do not have to read messages that you consider trash. Everyone can monitor status of development process by logging into http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ and determine whether they want to participate or not. BTW for those who want to COMPLAIN about logging into http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ to download the most recent file, if my memory is correct this was SOP after Ritlabs completely re-wrote their web site about 1 1/2 years ago. I know some people had problems logging into the site. If this is the case you may want to contact appropriate personnel to address the issue. My $.02 worth! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
On Sat 2-Apr-05 1:57pm -0600, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: @2-Apr-2005, 13:43 -0600 (02-Apr 20:43 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TB: W Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return Correct. That is the version we are all engaged in testing right now. Right, a pre-beta is being tested right now. W Should it not say: W W Current alpha is 3.0.9.12 Return W Current beta is 3.0.2.10 No. 3.0.2.10 is not the current beta version. Of course it is. Sure, it was the last stable beta we saw, but any beta test reports on that version are worthless to us here or to RITlabs. I actually do not disagree with that. I only want to be able to find the announcement of the next beta when it is ready for testing - without having to wade through all this pre-beta stuff. W Also, it is getting more difficult to find beta W posts in the maze of alpha posts that fail to W identify themselves. Perhaps using the term alpha W in the subject line would not be too much to ask? W W That way it would be easy to filter those emails to W trash. I don't understand this point at all. Either you are taking part in the testing of new versions as announced on the TBBETA list (whether they are described as alpha, pre-beta or whatever) or you only want to use stable / released versions. Yes, you miss the point completely. Ritlabs has announced these alpha or pre-beta releases as just that. This was done deliberately to satisfy people that couldn't wait for the next beta. Like some others here, I am not in that camp. I can wait for the next beta. I just want to know when it comes out so I can download it and start testing again. Perhaps Ritlabs could agree to make the announcement of the next beta (after 3.0.2.10) and all future beta, with a subject line starting with New Beta! That way, we could write a filter to notify us of those events. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.10 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
On Sat 2-Apr-05 2:12pm -0600, Greg Strong wrote: I have a good ideal! How about RitLabs identifying pre-beta condition on http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ after you logg into to down load the Beta or Pre-beta. This way you will be able to know the status of the development process without reading TBBETA messages altogether. If you do not want to be involved with the pre-beta process, you can turn off messages being sent to you from TBBETA. This way everybody is happy. The problem with that is one would miss the announcement and discussion of the new beta during the time it is announced and the time one finds that it exists on that site. Perhaps a better idea is for Ritlabs to prefix each announcement of a new version with: New Alpha: New Pre-Beta: New Beta: That way any of us - beta or pre-beta or alpha testers could easily be notified of that event by writing a simple filter. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.10 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
Hello Bill, On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:58:57 -0600 GMT(4/2/2005, 3:58 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill McCarthy wrote: Perhaps a better idea is for Ritlabs to prefix each announcement of a new version with: New Alpha: New Pre-Beta: New Beta: That way any of us - beta or pre-beta or alpha testers could easily be notified of that event by writing a simple filter. What ever keeps most people happy because I don't think you are going to keep everybody happy. I still like the ideal of keeping the downloads available from a web site. This way everybody always has ONLY ONE place to go for the download. You don't have to go look for the message with the link. If they would indicate their classification of the build would help as well. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
Hello Bill McCarthy everyone else, on 02-Apr-2005 at 23:54 you (Bill McCarthy) wrote: I actually do not disagree with that. I only want to be able to find the announcement of the next beta when it is ready for testing - without having to wade through all this pre-beta stuff. I solved that problem with a virtual folder under my TBBETA folder. Conditions: 'sender contains @ritlabs.' and 'Header does not contain References' - this way I catch only the new (ie. non-reply) messages by the RIT fellows, which are mostly the announcements for a new version. The only thing thats left is that the RITters should add pre-beta vs. beta vs. alpha in their announcements; in the bug reports the friendly posters add the version information anyway. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. -- Albert Einstein Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.12 new-/non-/fixed issues
Hello Peter, Peter Ouwehand wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): - 'View folder' window [View | Attached files] menu: - 'Show as Pane' activates 'Show as Button' - 'Show as Button' activates 'Hide' - 'Hide' activates 'Show as Pane' - 'Pane on the Bottom' activates 'Pane on the Right' - 'Pane on the Right' activates 'Pane on the Top' - 'Pane on the Top' activates 'Pane on the Bottom' - selected items are not remembered Confirmed. Also in the 'View folder' (or Folder View): - View | Memo auto view Isn't correct updated, if you close memo auto view with ESC - View | RFC 822 Headers Isn't correct updated, if you (de)select it in context menu of the message - View | Message Headers Don't work, as mentioned in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Global folders, multiple e-mail accounts, and replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello folks, BeforeI open a bug I would like your comments on the following. environment 1. I have multiple e-mail accounts, which are used for different purposes. These e-mail accounts are not under the same server -- for example, I have accounts under 'comcast.net', under 'gmail.com', etc. 2. I use Global Folders to aggregate related e-mail; usually the GFs will receive (via an incoming filter) e-mails from some, or all, of my e-mail accounts. 3. the account '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' happens to be the first account in TB! (this may have an impact on what happened). /environment So far, so good. Now. I received one e-mail (which was stored under a Global Folder) that I replied to. Much to my surprise the reply was sent under a different e-mail (and corresponding e-mail account) than the e-mail that received it. In other words: the original e-mail was received under my account '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', and the reply went thru my e-mail '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. This is really not kosher, I thought to myself. So (I kept thinking to myself), maybe I need to set the 'From:' account when doing this. So I sent another reply (from an e-mail stored in a Global Folder) and I explicitly set the 'From:' to match my original e-mail -- for reference, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. It *did* go with such a 'From:' as I set, BUT... it used the e-mail server at 'comcast.net'! off-topic this also says something about security at Comcast, but is is completely outside this discussion. /off-topic NOW this is so un-kosher that even my grandmother would not complain on my (ab)use the the word 'kosher'. Here's what I would expect: (a) on Global Folders TB! should respect, when on a reply, the account that received the original e-mail; (b) on Global Folders, if you override the default 'From:' e-mail address, TB! should use the corresponding account to send this e-mail. What do you, dear colleagues, think about this? Cheers, - -- ..hggdh.. Suffering The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: public key at pgp.mit.edu iD8DBQFCTy1OVFMjkob7xf8RAjnpAJ4nPG/YZT9h3RAJCMPvrd2nblFHugCgp19g p5e9XGvcJXM6dKI6eJ9OR9o= =D5V4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
Hello Bill, The problem with that is one would miss the announcement and discussion of the new beta during the time it is announced and the time one finds that it exists on that site. I can't understand you at all Bill. This annoying (to say the least) arguments you have about betas, pre- betas, etc. is, excuse me, quite silly. If a version is announced or referred to as pre-beta, you just don't give d*** about it or about anything many of us have to say about it or the testing we have done, you send (or want to send) all TBBeta messages to trash. Now, if the three letters pre are removed, you don't want to miss a single message. Please grow up and be serious!!! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yes, it is (Was: 3.0.9.10: Is TB loosing incoming messages?)
Hello Greg, Is this a problem with v3.0.9.12 as well? Don't know, I can't even test 3.0.9.12. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Global folders, multiple e-mail accounts, and replies
On Sunday, April 3, 2005, 01:39, hggdh wrote: (b) on Global Folders, if you override the default 'From:' e-mail address, TB! should use the corresponding account to send this e-mail. I've never used GFs and haven't thought much about how TB! should handle them, so I'll leave that part unanswered. Multiple accounts I have used though. What you do when changing the 'From:' address is just that, changing the 'From:' address. Changing accounts is made either by right clicking the account name in the status bar of the editor window, or by selecting account in Options | Active account. This is intended behaviour and, according to me, reasonable behaviour as well. If a change of the 'From:' field would change account as well, I do not see how I could change the 'From:' address without changing accounts, something I need to do now and then. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Personal Attack (was: Attention Moderators)
Hello Marck, Sorry to come down heavy on you Miguel, you are an avid and active member here, but this is a matter of keeping the tone. Don't be sorry Marck, I admit I deserved the trout. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
On Sat 2-Apr-05 5:50pm -0600, MAU wrote: The problem with that is one would miss the announcement and discussion of the new beta during the time it is announced and the time one finds that it exists on that site. I can't understand you at all Bill. This annoying (to say the least) arguments you have about betas, pre- betas, etc. is, excuse me, quite silly. Take that up with Ritlabs. They, not I, have specifically designated the current series as pre-beta. Perhaps you missed their explanation, Miguel? If a version is announced or referred to as pre-beta, you just don't give d*** about it or about anything many of us have to say about it or the testing we have done, you send (or want to send) all TBBeta messages to trash. Well I'll be, you do understand :-) However, my action is due to lack of time to spend testing pre-beta ideas that may never see a beta version - not any lack of appreciation of you or any other of the pre-beta testers. Now, if the three letters pre are removed, you don't want to miss a single message. No, I will skip topics for which I have little interest - such as IMAP. But when Ritlabs removes the pre-, I plan to download the next beta and resume testing. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.10 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 01:50:22 +0200, MAU wrote: The problem with that is one would miss the announcement and discussion of the new beta during the time it is announced and the time one finds that it exists on that site. I can't understand you at all Bill. This annoying (to say the least) arguments you have about betas, pre- betas, etc. is, excuse me, quite silly. That depends. I for example interpreted Bill's plea as pure sarcasm. Basically what has happened is this: Ritlabs announced an Alpha version, then a Pre-Beta version and now you (The Beta Team) are just back at the Pre-Return situation of last year. And that is: testing Try-And-Hope-Not-To-Die releases. I sincerely wish the Beta Team all the good luck you need. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Who sent this e-mail? (was: Global folders, multiple e-mail accounts, and replies)
Hello Marcus, Saturday, April 2, 2005, 18:03:29, you wrote: MO On Sunday, April 3, 2005, 01:39, hggdh wrote: MO Multiple accounts I have used though. What you do when changing MO the 'From:' address is just that, changing the 'From:' address. MO Changing accounts is made either by right clicking the account MO name in the status bar of the editor window, or by selecting MO account in Options | Active account. MO This is intended behaviour and, according to me, reasonable behaviour as MO well. If a change of the 'From:' field would change account as well, I MO do not see how I could change the 'From:' address without changing MO accounts, something I need to do now and then. I do not quite agree (and, before we advance, I also have to state that I do not quite disagree). My personal view is that an e-mail client should frown on using a 'From:' address that is not configured under a valid account. In other words, the 'Reply-To' header field has to be a valid reference when the e-mail leaves the e-mail client. This, for an e-mail client, would go a long way on having said e-mail client taken out of some spammer lists. Which sort of throw us back into the the off-topic/ issue I raised in my first e-mail: Comcast should have rejected my reply with a fake 'From:' field -- because this is what is was: a fake email address, as far as the Comcast environment was concerned. Please do not get me wrong -- it is still easy for those of us that play in the Internet standards (IETF, etc) to find out where the e-mail came from; there is always the legal request to the ISP to provide this information, as a last resort... and, believe me, if you show cause, they will. But I still would rather prefer an e-mail client that enforces such a restriction. -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.12 Return and on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 pgpVDPgu0IjSt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Who sent this e-mail? (was: Global folders, multiple e-mail accounts, and replies)
Hello hggdh, On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 22:05:05 -0600 GMT(4/2/2005, 10:05 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] hggdh wrote: My personal view is that an e-mail client should frown on using a 'From:' address that is not configured under a valid account. In other words, the 'Reply-To' header field has to be a valid reference when the e-mail leaves the e-mail client. Define valid account please! By Global Folder do you mean common folder or has Ritlabs changed the terminology here? This, for an e-mail client, would go a long way on having said e-mail client taken out of some spammer lists. Again define valid account please! Which sort of throw us back into the the off-topic/ issue I raised in my first e-mail: Comcast should have rejected my reply with a fake 'From:' field -- because this is what is was: a fake email address, as far as the Comcast environment was concerned. What is a fake 'From' field? Let me explain why I sound so skeptical. I own my own domain name. I do NOT have any web space rented or provided for the domain name that provides an outbound SMTP mail server. I use my registrar to forward all messages to my domain name to my ISP email accounts. I use TB filtering capabilities to place the inbound email to my domain names into TB accounts set up with my domain name. I use my ISP's SMTP mail server to send email from TB accounts using my own domain name. If one defines 'fake' in a broad sense, then one could say that my ISP should NOT accept my outbound email using a 'From' header of my own domain the does NOT correspond with [EMAIL PROTECTED] configuration. If this is what you mean, then I totally disagree. Why? Because I use authentication to access my ISP's SMTP mail server. What this provides is the ability to use the same email address without regard to what ISP I use. I wouldn't be able to do this without an email client like TB unless I ran my own mail server. If I ran my own mail server I would have to have an ISP that does NOT restrict port 25 or prohibit such applications in their TOS unless I purchase a much more expensive business account. Please do not get me wrong -- it is still easy for those of us that play in the Internet standards (IETF, etc) to find out where the e-mail came from; there is always the legal request to the ISP to provide this information, as a last resort... and, believe me, if you show cause, they will. But I still would rather prefer an e-mail client that enforces such a restriction. I guess I'm struggling with what you are getting at because my ISP requires authentication to access their SMTP outbound servers. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Attention Moderators
Hello Bill, On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:10:23 -0600 GMT (03/04/2005, 09:10 +0700 GMT), Bill McCarthy wrote: BM However, my action is due to lack of time to spend BM testing pre-beta ideas that may never see a beta BM version - not any lack of appreciation of you or any BM other of the pre-beta testers. I'm with you in that I am waiting for the first beta before I get back into beta-testing. But beta is just a word. What I actually do is open the threads under Version 3.x.y.z now available and see whether there are many Access Violation reports. If so, I don't bother to download, regardless of whether it would be announced as alpha, pre-beta, beta, gamma (we had a gamma version a few years ago), or any other Greek letter. Even a release version causing AVs wouldn't be downloaded. It's not the label, it's the contents. And I have time to wait. -- Cheers, Thomas. Meine Mama hat ein Baby im Bauch, aber ich weiss nicht, wie sie das runtergeschluckt hat. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Who sent this e-mail? (was: Global folders, multiple e-mail accounts, and replies)
On Sunday, April 3, 2005, at 22:05:05 [UTC-0600] (Sunday, April 3, 2005 06:05 my local time) hggdh wrote: My personal view is that an e-mail client should frown on using a 'From:' address that is not configured under a valid account. In other words, the 'Reply-To' header field has to be a valid reference when the e-mail leaves the e-mail client. Using common folders (I think they are that what you mean) with different SMTP servers and matching appropriate accounts is possible by reply template. Place in this template a series of %IF macros like: %IF:%OTOADDR=your_addr_account1:%ACCOUNT='account1' It should resolve your problem with sending replies matched to 'valid' accounts and servers. Of course, if your address is in BCC field then this method fails. In such a case The Bat! will use default account. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 with BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release) Current beta is 3.0.9.12 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
