Re: Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hi Roelof, On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:29:58 +0200 (4:29 PM here), Roelof Otten [RO] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RO Can't confirm. I even added two icons to the main toolbar without RO problems. Customizations are saved perfectly. Thanks for the reply. Because it works for you, I tried an experiment. I added an exclusion so my Windowblinds wouldn't skin The Bat! and the change fixing the toolbar worked! I then removed the exclusion and the toolbar change is sticking and working. I don't know why this would happen but my toolbar is fixed and I'm happy. Now if I can just get my spam plugin to stay installed. :( -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
View modes completely broken and other issues
Hæ! Today morning, I decided to go back to v3.0.2.10, after launching v3.5. v3.5 decided somehow to completely delete or forget the different view modes I assigned to different folders. This is a PITA. :( Furthermore, due to the underlining of accounts, the account tree now takes more space on the left handside than before. I now have to scroll down, in v3.0.2.10, my account tree does not fill the whole length (on 1280 x 1024). It would be nice, if there would be an option to disable the underlining. I haven't found this in the XML-file. And I liked the former View Threads by subject better than the new one. Especially when the new message in a subject will be the first one (...begins a thread). I have not found a way to mimic this behaviour with a special ViewMode yet. The new threading by subject requires one more click from the user. Just some thoughts. -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.0.2.10 Professional K9 v1.28 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Threading?
Hello Allie, Tony's issue is just another example of how Mulberry depends on the IMAP server for parsing headers. This is part of the protocol. OTOH, TB! doesn't take advantage of this IMAP capability and doesn't fall victim to the servers buggy header parsing. Actually, TB! does take advantage of IMAP protocol on signed messages: when TB! is downloading structure of a message, it checks whether a message is signed and downloads signed messages entirely even when message textual part only is required (as in header+text sync or message preview) :-) -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Bug in adress book: Certificate databases
Hello All, some German users came out with the following bug, which I can confirm. One can't show/hide certificate databases in address book. Address book - View - [ ] Certificate databases doesn't have any effects. Confirmations, status reports? -- Bye, Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hallo Kevin, On Wed, 18 May 2005 02:04:18 -0400GMT (18-5-2005, 8:04 +0200, where I live), you wrote: KC Now if I can just get my spam plugin to stay installed. :( What plug-in do you use? BayesFilter 2.0.2? What if you use an older version? Over here I can't get BayesFilter 2.0.2 get stuck in my preferences, but when I try it with BayesFilter 1.5.6 everything is okay. Apart from that, after I installed 2.0.2 on top of 1.5.6 the software panel of the configuration screen still mentions 1.5.6 as the installed version. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows 95: Making Windows work just like a Mac did10 years ago! The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: View modes completely broken and other issues
Hallo Thorvald, On Wed, 18 May 2005 08:34:15 +0200GMT (18-5-2005, 8:34 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TN v3.5 decided somehow to completely delete or forget the different TN view modes I assigned to different folders. This is a PITA. :( Confirmed TN Furthermore, due to the underlining of accounts, the account tree now TN takes more space on the left handside than before. I now have to TN scroll down, in v3.0.2.10, my account tree does not fill the whole TN length (on 1280 x 1024). It would be nice, if there would be an option TN to disable the underlining. I haven't found this in the XML-file. I don't care for the underlining either though it doesn't bother me as much as you, I can't keep the folder tree of my main account on the account tree pane anyway. TN And I liked the former View Threads by subject better than the new TN one. Especially when the new message in a subject will be the first TN one (...begins a thread). I have not found a way to mimic this TN behaviour with a special ViewMode yet. The new threading by subject TN requires one more click from the user. Didn't notice any difference. -- Groetjes, Roelof Veni, Vidi, Vestibule ( I came, I saw, I hid in the closet ) The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgpgJ380NjLUH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: View modes completely broken and other issues
Hæ! Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 09:51, Roelof Otten wrote: Didn't notice any difference. The new thread by subject adds a new subject line, displaying just the subject and the number of replies. After doubleclicking, the subject tree opens and you have to manually select a message. Just clicking/selecting it, does nothing. It would be nice if you doubleclick on the line, you instantly get the newest message of this subject to open in the message pane. -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.5 Professional K9 v1.28 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: View modes completely broken and other issues
Hallo Thorvald, On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:05:25 +0200GMT (18-5-2005, 10:05 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Didn't notice any difference. TN The new thread by subject adds a new subject line, displaying just TN the subject and the number of replies. Yep, I realize. Was a bit slow on the uptake as I hardly use thread by subject and even then I tend to go from message to message with Ctrl-] -- Groetjes, Roelof What youth deemed crystal, age finds was dew. The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgpyfoXk2TKmS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Empty space (was: 3.5RC8 a preview of issues to be tested)
Hello Thomas! On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 8:38 PM, you wrote, in part: My point is: The message list is not fixed in the current release. MB Completely confirmed. Thanks. MB But Stefan has implied that these aspects are a work-in-progress, Too bad. It means I cannot use v3.5 in the office. This version is a nice toy for my home, but not what I need in a heavy production environment. And I thought TB is *the* tool for the heavy user, and not just a toy. It *is* a tool for the heavy user. And getting more so all the time. You know that, Thomas! I think you couldn't resist the alliteration and elegant word play. But to write toy in connection with TB! is to slander it! :pointmade: ... Did they say when TB will move back from toy status to tool status? In connection with a threading issue, Stefan Tanurkov has posted on TBUDL this morning that the hope is to make a post-release available by the weekend. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are so many minor (depending on the particular use needed) things to fix, that I'm not sure whether the empty space one will be among them. I'm counting on Stefan's work in progress comment to the Bug Tracker issue report that I cited earlier in this thread. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On 18/05/2005 09:44 AM +0300, you wrote: Actually, TB! does take advantage of IMAP protocol on signed messages: when TB! is downloading structure of a message, it checks whether a message is signed and downloads signed messages entirely even when message textual part only is required (as in header+text sync or message preview) :-) Of course, I can never really claim it takes no advantage of the protocol. This would be untrue. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Reinvent. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Restore problems
Hi Martin, On 18/05/2005 04:07 PM +0200, you wrote: I looked at the *.tbk file and found that the message base path and directory is stored with this file. And the Restore function seems to restore all the messages in *exactly* this directory - and not in the actual directory of the current installation. In my opinion a bug - not a feature. So close. Do you know that if you restore to a machine that doesn't contain the paths specified in the backup, TB! will restore to the default location relative to the current installation? At least, this little piece of niceness was there when I last had such a situation. I agree with you though that if there's a discrepancy on restore, this should be queried and clarified during the restore process via a prompt with options. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Reinvent. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: Threading?
Hello Allie, Of course, I can never really claim it takes no advantage of the protocol. This would be untrue. I could not understand this part then: ===8==cut=here=== Tony's issue is just another example of how Mulberry depends on the IMAP server for parsing headers. This is part of the protocol. OTOH, TB! doesn't take advantage of this IMAP capability and doesn't fall victim to the servers buggy header parsing. ===8==cut=here=== :-) -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Restore problems
Hello Martin, Exactly. Well, normally you will restore a installation into the same directory like before - but there are situations which this isn't true and then the hardcoded directory where your message were stored is really not a good solution... full confirmed, it is an already long existing annoying bug for me. Is there a BT, then I will confirm. -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolio Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Can anyone get an icon free toolbar in 3.5?
I am still unable to delete all icons in the main window of 3.5. Whichever toolbar I try to delete LAST just won't go. is there another approach to deleting them other than right click, de-select which toolbar you want rid of, and hope? Thanks. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[6]: Threading?
Hello Stefan. --On 18 May 2005 17:52 +0300 you wrote about Re[6]: Threading?: I could not understand this part then: What Allie means is, Mulberry follows the IMAP protocol right down to the very last bit of every byte. The Bat skips most of it out and completely ignores the parts it don't understand. Which is why I had a problem with threading. My server has a bug somewhere in it and Mulberry was affected by it because it wasn't getting the correct response. The Bat wasn't affected because it just ignored what it was being told by the server. At least that's the way it was explained to me anyway. -- Tony. M. pgplX59siwBfk.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Delete icon disappears
[Reply to: Martin Schoch · 2005-05-18 · 16:41 h (CET)] Hello, Martin! Funny: The icon Delete disappears... Yep, and IMO a useless feature. ... Or is it a bug? ;-) -- Cheers! VA If you are in deep water, you should not hang the head. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Delete icon disappears
Hello Volker. --On 18 May 2005 17:12 +0200 you wrote about Re: Delete icon disappears: Yep, and IMO a useless feature. ... Or is it a bug? ;-) But it only disappears when no message is selected. You can't delete what's not there. -- Tony. M. pgpkqrL3PwcjE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: v3.5 status
Hi Mary, ... doesn't leave much that is working at all, does it? MB Different strokes for different folks. I do have to disagree with your MB conclusion, while conceding the validity of your complaints. Almost every component of the program that was fiddled with for v3.5 now shows malfunctions either everywhere or just on some systems, even when it had been working perfectly in v3.01. Not one component was actually improved. MB And in one aspect alone my experience has been completely different from yours: I have always received prompt attention from RitLabs, MB whether in customer service, Bug Track, or TBBETA. Just look at this list: In the last few months, I have received one single mail from someone at RIT (Marek). This was a one-line inquiry about the crashs I mentioned lately and has not seen a second message from RIT after I described the issue at length. I don't expect an answer from RIT to emails in which I accuse them of amateurism and incompetency in their development procedures, even if in my opinion one would be warranted nevertheless. But you have to keep in mind that I didn't start out this way, that this was a learning process on my side that lasted years. Until the bubble broke with the delivery of the scandalous v3.5 and I started to - well, express myself, I had not gotten any reaction from RIT on anything at all for years. Not on questions, not on bug reports, not on suggestions. RIT apears to me like a few students who have landed a chance surprise success with one program they just threw together, built a company around it and started to sell it. When they tried to update the program they recognized that the architecture wasn't updatable. Still they tried, unsuccessfully as is evident, and delayed the necessary rewrites until they only were the very last resort. During all that time, never having learned the business other than by doing, they didn't know how to handle the large customer base that had fallen on them so unexpectedly. They simply didn't (and still don't) know the most basic rules of customer management: 1.) React. Customers are vain, they want to see that they are being heard. 2.) If you won't or can't implement what the customers want right now, explain to them why this is the case and when you'll do it. Explain it once, twice, however often they ask. Make them understand, not feel ignored. Aparently RIT has never heard of these two ironest of iron rules. _THAT_ is the issue here. If they had accorded to this, I might still be unsatisfied with v3.5, but I wouldn't be steaming with anger and straightout calling v3.5 a piece of junk. I also would still have a somewhat decent opinion of the developers, contrary to - well. Go figure. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpi5WetToh9p.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[6]: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On 18/05/2005 05:52 PM +0300, you wrote: I could not understand this part then: ===8==cut=here== = Tony's issue is just another example of how Mulberry depends on the IMAP server for parsing headers. This is part of the protocol. OTOH, TB! doesn't take advantage of this IMAP capability and doesn't fall victim to the servers buggy header parsing. ===8==cut=here== = My bad English. We sometimes say things with loose generalisations in the mix. Mulberry doesn't parse headers locally for IMAP mailboxes. It just uses the parsing the server does. TB! doesn't do that. I was referring to this specific issue. The same goes for that particular issue with detecting PGP signatures. Again, Mulberry depends on the server providing specific information about the message to detect the presence of the signature. If the server doesn't, then Mulberry is in trouble. TB! isn't in both situations. OTOH, there are many examples that can be sited where TB! does take advantage of IMAP capability where selective retrieval is concerned or where it depends on the server to provide specific data about messages in mailboxes. Additionally, it's difficult for me to give specifics since I don't know the specifics. I do see what the Mulberry developers are trying to say when the issues are cured by transferring the messages to a local folder where Mulberry no longer has to depend on the server. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Trust me, I'm a lawyer.. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Delete icon disappears
Hello Martin. --On 18 May 2005 17:33 +0200 you wrote about Re: Delete icon disappears: Of course - but all other useless icons in a situation are grayed out - why only this icon disappears? Hang on I'll find out for you. Stephan or K9, can you tell us why the dustbin keep disappearing instead of just changing colour please. :) -- Tony. M. pgpvx9C0grWOs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Can anyone get an icon free toolbar in 3.5?
Hello Chris, A reminder of what Chris Wilson typed on: May 18, 2005 at 16:18:24 GMT +0100 CW I am still unable to delete all icons in the main window of 3.5. CW Whichever toolbar I try to delete LAST just won't go. is there another CW approach to deleting them other than right click, de-select which CW toolbar you want rid of, and hope? You could create an empty toolbar, close it last, make it use small icons and then append it to the end of the menu bar. It isn't quite perfect, but it would be close. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Alto! On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 6:56 AM, you wrote: Different strokes for different folks. Thanks for the eloquent message. Again, as with Martin Sebald, I really do have to take all your words as a means of blowing off steam. There's room for that here, but for myself, I disagree with your characterizations and conclusions, and I have different expectations of what will be happening with The Bat! People who find v. 3.5 not meeting their needs have the option of dropping back to v. 3.01. In fact, if I didn't have the yellowish icons solution to my vision problems that I got from MAU, I myself would revert to v. 3.0.2.10, and simply shrug my shoulders that I'm in a small minority with a need of too low a priority to merit the developers' attention. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[8]: Threading?
Hello Allie, Mulberry doesn't parse headers locally for IMAP mailboxes. It just uses the parsing the server does. TB! doesn't do that. Not true - this is what I tried to say. The Bat! recognises signed messages using IMAP features when it synchronises or downloads messages for preview (when the option to download text only is set). It also recognises presence of attachments and signed messages if it downloads message structures together with message headers. The reason why TB! recognises signatures is because it uses IMAP features AND parses messages locally (when messages are loaded into the viewer), not because it is ignoring IMAP advantages :-) OTOH, there are many examples that can be sited where TB! does take advantage of IMAP capability where selective retrieval is concerned or where it depends on the server to provide specific data about messages in mailboxes. Well, it's a completely different problem - some concepts and algorithms must be optimised, this is a topic of the next Beta series :-) -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Suggestions for Addressbook (WAS: Threading?)
Dear Stefan, Dear all, -- Dienstag, 17. Mai 2005, 23:01:09: So, the next Beta cycle is going to be primarily about: - IMAP (many things will be rewritten) - Unicode/DBCS support - Submission Forms (as a key part of another project, but I see they can be used as a part of many solutions) ... and - please - - Addressbook (please please please please) Stefan, I rely so much on the Addressbook. Currently I use Outlook. But some time back (before my TB! time) I was using ACT!. I know it has improved but still I'm not using it anymore. But this Apps left a strong impression on me. It was the only Program that handled Addresses exactly as it should: - you enter Company related informations in one form - Person related informations in an other - you can link any Person- to the Company Base (thus you don't have to enter a Company Information every time you enter a Person - good when you know many people from the same company)! - every eMail written to or received from a person, FAX or letter written with Word was associated with the Persons Info Base. You could lock at those infos and find any Document again. Those are the strong impressions that stayed in my mind. If RITlabs could try to improve there AB to a more professional PIM it would be of so much higher values. Just as an Idea: if RITlabs does not see Such a PIM as a strategic value then maybe thinking of having such kind of AB resp. PIM feature as a plug-in or Add-on option. I would very much appreciate if RITlabs could let us know what there way/thinking is about the present AB. Thanks! -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[8]: Threading?
Hello Tony, What Allie means is, Mulberry follows the IMAP protocol right down to the very last bit of every byte. The Bat skips most of it out and completely ignores the parts it don't understand. What I say - it is not right :-) Which is why I had a problem with threading. My server has a bug somewhere in it and Mulberry was affected by it because it wasn't getting the correct response. Hmm. Good motto for IMAP client developers - if anything goes wrong, blame the server! Just a joke, we don't follow it. In fact, some troubles with IMAP implementation in TB! are caused by working around improper behaviour of some servers (see the option for Courier compatibility :-) The Bat wasn't affected because it just ignored what it was being told by the server. No, see my message to Allie - TB! just asked more questions to IMAP :-) At least that's the way it was explained to me anyway. Well, to maintain political correctness, I would give no comment on this :-) -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[8]: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On 18/05/2005 07:19 PM +0300, you wrote: Not true - this is what I tried to say. The Bat! recognises signed messages using IMAP features when it synchronises or downloads messages for preview (when the option to download text only is set). It also recognises presence of attachments and signed messages if it downloads message structures together with message headers. The reason why TB! recognises signatures is because it uses IMAP features AND parses messages locally (when messages are loaded into the viewer), not because it is ignoring IMAP advantages :-) Of course, I can't comment here. Too ignorant!!! :) Cyrus Daboo is far better at this techochat than I am. I don't know remotely as much. It would be interesting to see you both discuss this sort of stuff. :) -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Still Life. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
Hi Martin, I'm experiencing the same problem. I just tried about the same: I installed TB Prof to a naked system, activated encryption with password and then restored a backup made from my plain installation. Restore worked but mail files are still stored plain. I also can say that the mail files have the same size as the original mail files. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5 powered by Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Can anyone get an icon free toolbar in 3.5?
Hello Chris, I am still unable to delete all icons in the main window of 3.5. Whichever toolbar I try to delete LAST just won't go. is there another approach to deleting them other than right click, de-select which toolbar you want rid of, and hope? Undock whichever is your 'last' toolbar and close it from the X corner. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[8]: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On 18/05/2005 07:28 PM +0300, you wrote: The Bat wasn't affected because it just ignored what it was being told by the server. No, see my message to Allie - TB! just asked more questions to IMAP :-) Right! -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Still Life. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On Wed, 18 May 2005 19:28:05 +0300 UTC (5/18/2005, 11:28 AM -0500 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: At least that's the way it was explained to me anyway. S Well, to maintain political correctness, I would give no comment on this S :-) This cracks me up, following this thread... Stefan, you should go into politics LOL -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hi Mary! And I concur with your criticism of RitLabs development priorities, in the main. But they are the ones with the business plan, and so they implement it. You're absolutly right and I also know that it is like you're saying. Ritlabs is the boss here and we can stick with it (the beta group, the program, all other things) or not. I'm just a little frustrated how the whole process works. Sometimes it works quite good, sometimes it works just ok and sometimes it does not work at all. See, we also are customers and it is frustrating to see how we are ignored from time to time. Well I hope this gets better before next payday (version 4). I'm still waiting for some features I already paid when I bought version 2, IMAP fully working (I did not try it for a long time but just by reading all the complains here in the list it doesn't motivate me to do so), newsreader functionality. Plus and at least as much as I'm waiting for the long promised features I'm waiting for the annoying bugs to be fixed. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5 powered by Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Alto, ... with the delivery of the scandalous v3.5 ... ... calling v3.5 a piece of junk. Careful my dear, you may be offending the many (yes _MANY_) of us who don't agree with you at all. Da** it! If you hate TB so much, why don't you just change to another e-mail client? Don't bother to reply, I will not start/continue any discussion about this. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[10]: Threading?
Hello Allie, Cyrus Daboo is far better at this techochat than I am. I don't know remotely as much. It would be interesting to see you both discuss this sort of stuff. :) Well, for some reason, I was disconnected from the IMAP mailing list. I've been there for quite a while, but in silent mode, so there was a chance to start a discussion with him there, I just didn't use it. :-) Maybe, I'll be back there when I have more time. -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Threading?
Hello Gary, This cracks me up, following this thread... Stefan, you should go into politics LOL ...and to leave such a great project with such a great community around? Not in this life, I guess :-) -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Martin, ... newsreader functionality. Have you tried MyGate? Simple, transparent... it works a treat. Not for binaries though. I've used for... 2 years? http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[10]: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On 18/05/2005 07:43 PM +0300, you wrote: Well, for some reason, I was disconnected from the IMAP mailing list. I've been there for quite a while, but in silent mode, so there was a chance to start a discussion with him there, I just didn't use it. :-) Maybe, I'll be back there when I have more time. hehe. Pity I'll not be there to 'listen'. :) -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Friendship is one soul in two bodies. -Frost Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Martin! On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 11:40 AM, you wrote: And I concur with your criticism of RitLabs development priorities, in the main. But they are the ones with the business plan, and so they implement it. You're absolutly right and I also know that it is like you're saying. Ritlabs is the boss here and we can stick with it (the beta group, the program, all other things) or not. It's so nice to have a frank discussion of these things. :) I'm just a little frustrated how the whole process works. Sometimes it works quite good, sometimes it works just ok and sometimes it does not work at all. See, we also are customers and it is frustrating to see how we are ignored from time to time. I understand. But it adds to our sense of being a community, almost a family, to get to express these feelings here. If we don't go on at too much length about it. :) I like so much the moderate way in which you've responded to me. Also, I think the great majority of us who read the list would like to see bashing of RitLabs here held to a minimum. I truly believe they are all doing the best they can. Well I hope this gets better before next payday (version 4). I'm still waiting for some features I already paid when I bought version 2, IMAP fully working (I did not try it for a long time but just by reading all the complains here in the list it doesn't motivate me to do so), newsreader functionality. Plus and at least as much as I'm waiting for the long promised features I'm waiting for the annoying bugs to be fixed. Keep your cool and keep the faith! It's still the best client for both of us, as we agreed a couple of mails back. :thumbup: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else, on 18-Mai-2005 at 13:56 you (Alto Speckhardt) wrote: v3.5 a piece of junk I thought I'd already read you were switching to Mulberry a couple of days ago (Thats it), why don't you do that then? Looks like something about this piece of junk keeps you using it. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Fantasy is revealing; it is a method of cognition: everything that is imagined must be true; nothing is true if it is not imagined. -- Eugene Ionesco Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
MAU, On 18-05-2005 19:02, you [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: M Have you tried MyGate? Simple, transparent... it works a treat. Not M for binaries though. I've used for... 2 years? Hmm. Does not work 100% always. I am currently having problems. Also, it is not updated to use with the new sorting office. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Stefan! On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 11:47 AM, you wrote: This cracks me up, following this thread... Stefan, you should go into politics LOL ...and to leave such a great project with such a great community around? Not in this life, I guess :-) Yay! :girlcheer: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hi MAU! ... newsreader functionality. Have you tried MyGate? Simple, transparent... it works a treat. Not for binaries though. I've used for... 2 years? Yeah I know MyGate but I did not try it yet. I'm using Mailtraq for about two years now and I'm satisfied. Nevertheless I would be more satisfied with a (already paid) functionality of TB. But thank you very much for the hint! :-) But this is oftopic. I wasn't complaining about long missing functionality but about the many many bugs carried from final to final without doing anything against it. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5 powered by Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Peter, M Have you tried MyGate? Simple, transparent... it works a treat. Not M for binaries though. I've used for... 2 years? Hmm. Does not work 100% always. I am currently having problems. No problems here at all. Also, it is not updated to use with the new sorting office. I'm afraid I don't understand. What does MyGate have to do with S.O.? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Martin, I'm using Mailtraq for about two years now and I'm satisfied. I did use MailTraq until I found MyGate. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
MAU, On 18-05-2005 19:15, you [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Also, it is not updated to use with the new sorting office. M I'm afraid I don't understand. What does MyGate have to do with S.O.? Subscription: Copy filter. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Peter, M I'm afraid I don't understand. What does MyGate have to do with S.O.? Subscription: Copy filter. Are we talking about the same 'MyGate'? I have the last version, 2.6, and there is no such option. Are you perhaps talking about a plugin version or something? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hi Alexander, On 18/05/2005 07:08 PM +0200, you wrote: I thought I'd already read you were switching to Mulberry a couple of days ago (Thats it), why don't you do that then? Looks like something about this piece of junk keeps you using it. LOL! There's absolutely no doubt that TB! is a special client. There's only one other situation that I've witnessed this sort of anguished testimony with continued use of the software, and that's with Windows. Windows is so dominant that there are many who use it and complain bitterly about many aspects of it. Yet they continue because they have no choice or because it's the least of the evils. TB! seems to enjoy a similar sort of allure. It's software that potentially exceedd all others of its kind by a significant margin. So once you're hooked and have dabbled in its more advanced features, you find yourself still hanging around despite the issues/problems. On the face of the anguished testimonials, logic often begs the consideration of the seemingly simple solution of just moving on and using another client, thus ending the misery. Apparently, this isn't so easy, nor nearly as clear as it seems, and there lies tangible proof of the remarkable value of TB!. It's up the Ritlabs to capitalize on it. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- I know it all. I just can't remember it all at once. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello MAU, M I'm afraid I don't understand. What does MyGate have to do with S.O.? Subscription: Copy filter. Are we talking about the same 'MyGate'? I have the last version, 2.6, and there is no such option. Are you perhaps talking about a plugin version or something? Oops once again! I just noticed the button with TB's icon on it. I guess I forgot all about it because because I never used it, I'm running MyGate in my server machine. My apologies :-( -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Allie! On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 12:38 PM, you wrote: ... On the face of the anguished testimonials, logic often begs the consideration of the seemingly simple solution of just moving on and using another client, thus ending the misery. Apparently, this isn't so easy, nor nearly as clear as it seems, and there lies tangible proof of the remarkable value of TB!. It's up the Ritlabs to capitalize on it. Amen! Extremely well said, the entire post, Allie. Reminds me of a good marriage, after the honeymoon bloom departs. Sometimes the TB! lists feel to me like an Advice to the Lovelorn column! LOL -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Can anyone get an icon free toolbar in 3.5?
Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 5:33:31 PM, you wrote: Hello Chris, I am still unable to delete all icons in the main window of 3.5. Whichever toolbar I try to delete LAST just won't go. is there another approach to deleting them other than right click, de-select which toolbar you want rid of, and hope? Undock whichever is your 'last' toolbar and close it from the X corner. That worked, many thanks. Do you think that you should be able to delete the last toolbar in the menu though? I can't see why it would be DESIGNED to not delete the last one conventionally. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: v3.5 status
Hi Alex, v3.5 a piece of junk Please do quote me in full and not distortingly. ASK I thought I'd already read you were switching to Mulberry a ASK couple of days ago (Thats it), why don't you do that then? I did, but it turned out that Mulberry isn't quite right for me either. Sending and receiving mail is working without any trouble and in never before seen smoothness, but e.g. I couldn't make the viewer display quotes when it wasn't Text but Initials Text. Things like that. So I'm back. (Please note the difference, however: Assuming that in fact what I mentioned just cannot be done with Mulberry, and I didn't just miss it, this is just a missing feature there. Too bad, but nothing to get agitated about. The authors don't claim any other way. With TheBat, however, it is claimed that some particulars work, while they just don't. And here the authors don't comment it, they don't try to fix it, they don't even admit it. That's a load of difference.) Another point is that I'm expecting to get a broadband connection in the near future. Since many of you report they are seeing problems only on low bandwith connections, I'll definitly want to try TheBat (v3.01 as well as v3.5) in this environment before making a big switch. ASK Looks like something about this piece of junk keeps you using ASK it. Now, that's wrong: I don't see anything positive in v3.5. I try to use it on an experimental system, but only there. (After all, I could hardly complain about problems if I hadn't tried it out in the first place, could I?) Anything else does not appear possible at the moment, I still need to use v3.01 from another machine to clean up the mess v3.5 makes in the message base from the experimental machine. I did and still do like TheBat up to v3.01 rather well, though. This version I have never called junk, because apart from some malfunctions, the core is stable as a rock and there are not many - I personally can recall none that had happened to me at the moment - bugs in it. If v3.5 had been the same quality, we wouldn't have this discussion now, even if some malfunctions remained. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpWkgRAvHGAw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: v3.5 status
Hi Mary, MB Again, as with Martin Sebald, I really do have to take all your MB words as a means of blowing off steam. You're right about that. Much of it I wouldn't have said if the whole affair hadn't come that far. Technically there isn't a word I would have to take back, but possibly not everything should have been said in the open like this. However, I hope I could explain how it came to this situation on my part. MB People who find v. 3.5 not meeting their needs have the option of MB dropping back to v. 3.01. Which I did, of course. But as already discussed multiple times the IMAP in v3.01 isn't the cream of the crop either. It's just that the rest of the program is working with v3.01. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpqUtD9njtms.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Alto, On 18 May 2005, 12:56 you wrote: I don't expect an answer from RIT to emails in which I accuse them of amateurism and incompetency in their development procedures, even if in my opinion one would be warranted nevertheless. Your constant gibes, which are unwarranted and offensive are becoming tiresome... to me and I suspect the developers. Contrary to what you say, Ritlabs has shown considerable good will lately, is listening to the community, and has produced a significantly improved product. As Miguel says, if you don't like it don't use it. The choice is yours... but please spare us your diatribe. -- As ever, .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 What shall become of us without the barbarians? Those people were a kind of solution. CONSTANTINE CAVAFY, 1863-1933 ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.5 Return RC9 IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
On Wed, 18 May 2005, at 19:56:35 [GMT +0200] (which was 19:56 where I live) Martin Schoch wrote: Hi Martin ...snip And after all it worked. I restored from backup - of course the new directory has it's old name because the messages from the backup goes to the stored directory name... With other words: Something must be wrong with the MSI installation... I am glad you succeeded installing OTFE ;-) -- cheers, Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.5 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgp0Oeqpqfs41.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Can anyone get an icon free toolbar in 3.5?
Hello Chris, That worked, many thanks. Do you think that you should be able to delete the last toolbar in the menu though? I can't see why it would be DESIGNED to not delete the last one conventionally. It's probably a bug, but I would consider it a very minor one. I mean, how many times per hour on the average are you re-arranging your toolbars? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Can anyone get an icon free toolbar in 3.5?
Hallo MAU, On Wed, 18 May 2005 20:28:52 +0200GMT (18-5-2005, 20:28 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M It's probably a bug, but I would consider it a very minor one. I mean, M how many times per hour on the average are you re-arranging your M toolbars? When I look back for the last week, at least four or five times a day. -- Groetjes, Roelof The longer the title, the less important the job. The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgp7fPgQ59R36.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Martin, On 18 May 2005, 19:57 you wrote: As Miguel says, if you don't like it don't use it. The choice is yours... but please spare us your diatribe. This one is to easy - it sound like shut up. That is not what I said. I was referring to the use of harsh language. -- As ever, .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 What is now proved was once impossible. WILLIAM BLAKE ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.5 Return RC9 IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug in adress book: Certificate databases
Hello Manuel, Manuel Breitfeld wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): One can't show/hide certificate databases in address book. Address book - View - [ ] Certificate databases doesn't have any effects. Confirmed. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[8]: Threading?
Hello Stefan. --On 18 May 2005 19:28 +0300 you wrote about Re[8]: Threading?: Hmm. Good motto for IMAP client developers - if anything goes wrong, blame the server! Just a joke, Not such a joke, I said exactly the same thing to Allie and Gary, in fact my exact words were and I quote directly from my message to Allie... And his final verdict... To pass the buck. I can't see it myself because if it was my server stripping the headers then it would also happen when I used The Bat! surely? However, the evidence that was presented to me was overwhelming and I had to eat my words and concede defeat. Well, to maintain political correctness, I would give no comment on this :-) I think I'll have to agree with you there, your a very proficient programmer, I just have to rely on what I'm told by those better versed in the subject so I'll shut up as well. -- Tony. M. pgpITnpTcGGGM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [SPAM *********] Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
miércoles, 18 may 2005 at 16:03, it seems you wrote:
I tried a fresh OTFE install from MSI prof on a Win98 system and it
ended in a Plain installation.
The window which asks the question about OTFE was also very strange
- see attached picture.
it seems it's a problem in the default language TB! has inside.
The label it's divided in two lines in the file translators use.
Label lInfo1 '', 'With this option no information is stored on you'+
'r disk in plaintext form. Every data is encrypted before writing,
in a transparent way with no noticable speed degradation. No other users
(including your network peers) will be able to read your data.'
Do you use a LNG downloaded from some website?
Do you installed the 3.5 Final version of the professional msi?
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Last 24 hour Spam% it's 43%
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Re: 3.5: Add this address to the instant address pop up ...
Hello Peter, On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 6:36:41 AM, you wrote: P If you add an address to the address book (RMB/Specials/Add) and click on P Other/Add this address to the instant address pop up ..., you must restart P TB to make this entry appear in the that list. Not good... By my experience, any address book modifications (other than additions) have always required a restart to appear. Not that it is expected behavior . . . although it is the behavior I've learned to accept as expected from The Bat. -- Best, Richard Richard Newman -- Using The Bat!3.5 under Windows XP 5 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 on a Pentium 4 1.99GHz - Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Can anyone get an icon free toolbar in 3.5?
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 20:28, MAU wrote: That worked, many thanks. Do you think that you should be able to delete the last toolbar in the menu though? I can't see why it would be DESIGNED to not delete the last one conventionally. It's probably a bug, but I would consider it a very minor one. I mean, how many times per hour on the average are you re-arranging your toolbars? ;-) I would definitely consider it a bug and not a minor one to (not to say it's a major one, but there have to be something in between). Even if you don't rearrange them every day, the average user not reading TBBETA should be able to get rid of them too. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 18:01, Mary Bull wrote: In fact, if I didn't have the yellowish icons solution to my vision problems that I got from MAU Naughty guy, that MAU, giving you a vision problem and all...;-) -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Wed, 18 May 2005 06:49:13 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: On the other hand there is Mulburry, incorrectly cutting off Message-ID's in the References headerline. Wrong! Mulberry is not at fault in any way shape or form. I was of the same opinion as you, I was defending TB! with my life. However it has been irrefutably proved to me that my server is at fault and NOT Mulberry. Mulberry has just managed to highlight bugs in my server setup. So, what you're saying is that your mailserver 1) strips those from Message-IDs. 2) ruthlessly reformats the References headerline, cutting individual Message-IDs in half. That's NOT good! Conclusion: Two mail clients not treating References ID's as they should do according to the relevant RFC. Wrong again, there is only one that, even though on first appearances seems to work properly, doesn't and it's not Mulberry. Be it Mulberry or your mailserversoftware, if the References header gets mangled and/or TB! doesn't recognize valid Message-IDs, it should come as no surprise that it can not handle Message threading the way it should. That was the point I tried to make. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
Hi Martin! I'm experiencing the same problem. I just tried about the same: I installed TB Prof to a naked system, activated encryption with password and then restored a backup made from my plain installation. I tried with a hacking method ;-) [...] Great. Thanks, it also worked for me. ;-) I just deleted the registry key and the content of the directory where the accounts are stored and was able to convert my installation to encryption. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5 powered by Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Marcus! On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 5:02 PM, you wrote: In fact, if I didn't have the yellowish icons solution to my vision problems that I got from MAU Naughty guy, that MAU, giving you a vision problem and all...;-) Come on, Marcus, you're better at English grammar than that! ;) I said *solution...that I got from MAU*, for which I owe MAU a bathtub full of iced-down beers! Okay, okay, maybe I should have placed the modifier thusly: If I hadn't got the yellowish icons from MAU, which solved the problems that the default transparent blue ghosts were giving my old eyes, I'd have quietly dropped back to v. 3.0.2.10 and published no diatribes to TBBETA about it! :soapbox: The yellowish icons are the greatest!!! :hearteyes: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Mary, On 19 May 2005, 00:13 you wrote: If I hadn't got the yellowish icons from MAU, which solved the problems that the default transparent blue ghosts were giving my old eyes, I'd have quietly dropped back to v. 3.0.2.10 and published no diatribes to TBBETA about it! :soapbox: Diatribbles more likely! ;-) -- As ever, .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 When you choose anything, you reject everything else. G K CHESTERTON ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.5 Return RC9 IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Martin! On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 6:28 PM, you wrote: I'd have quietly dropped back to v. 3.0.2.10 and published no diatribes to TBBETA about it! :soapbox: Diatribbles more likely! ;-) hehehe * - Tribble .. - Diatribble ä - Tribble under Diaresis Martin Webster, you have made my day! :kissy: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Can anyone get an icon free toolbar in 3.5?
Hello Roelof, M It's probably a bug, but I would consider it a very minor one. I mean, M how many times per hour on the average are you re-arranging your M toolbars? When I look back for the last week, at least four or five times a day. I mean during normal life, not while beta testing :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Can anyone get an icon free toolbar in 3.5?
Hello Marcus, I would definitely consider it a bug and not a minor one to (not to say it's a major one, but there have to be something in between). Even if you don't rearrange them every day, the average user not reading TBBETA should be able to get rid of them too. And they are able, they just don't know how ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
On Wed, 18 May 2005 20:04:38 +0200, Alto Speckhardt wrote: [Mulberry] I couldn't make the viewer display quotes when it wasn't Text but Initials Text. Things like that. This Initials Quote Prefixing is a TB! specific idiosyncrasy, dating back to long forgotten FIDO days. IMO Ritlabs should have dumped it years ago, together with the ridiculous Re[X]: numbering in Reply Subjects. With TheBat, however, it is claimed that some particulars work, while they just don't. And here the authors don't comment it, they don't try to fix it, they don't even admit it. That's a load of difference.) I can only advice you to do as I have done: learn to live with it. Complaining about TB! and Ritlabs on lists like TBUDL and TBBETA doesn't makes any sense at all. Trust me. I don't see anything positive in v3.5. I try to use it on an experimental system, but only there. (After all, I could hardly complain about problems if I hadn't tried it out in the first place, could I?) A couple of days I installed v3.5 on my second machine, copied all messages and settings from my current 2.12 setup backup and: so far so good. I must admit it looks pretty OK at first sight. Nevertheless, for the time being I will keep v2.12 as my working environment and use v3.5 only for testing. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hello Roelof Kevin, Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 2:23:02 AM, you wrote: KC Now if I can just get my spam plugin to stay installed. :( RO What plug-in do you use? BayesFilter 2.0.2? What if you use an older RO version? Over here I can't get BayesFilter 2.0.2 get stuck in my RO preferences, but when I try it with BayesFilter 1.5.6 everything is RO okay. I have been experiencing the same disappearing plugin problem with BF 2.0.2 and my Avast! Plugin. While trying to solve it, I tried the following: I copied the BayesFilter.tbp to my TB directory (E:\The Bat\), and then edited the file TBPlugin.ini which is located in E:\The Bat\MAIL\. I changed it to look like the below by editing the lines: Plugin #1= in both the [Plugins] and [Plugin Data] sections. [Plugins] Count=2 Plugin #1=e:\the bat\BayesFilter.tbp Plugin #2=d:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\AvBatPlg.tbp [Plugin Data] Plugin #2= d:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\AvBatPlg.tbp Plugin #1=e:\the bat\BayesFilter.tbp Plugin #3= After doing this for the BayesFilter, I tried it on my Avast Plugin, and after restarting TB, I somehow ended up with the file looking like this: [Plugins] Count=2 Plugin #1=%PROGRAMDIR%\BayesFilter.tbp Plugin #2=d:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\AvBatPlg.tbp [Plugin Data] Plugin #2= d:\Program Files\Alwil Software\Avast4\AvBatPlg.tbp Plugin #1= Plugin #3= After all of this, the BayesFilter Plugin and the AV Plugin both appear to be sticking (and working! I think...grin) I hope this helps... -- Best regards, Scott Using TB: 3.5 On Windows XP: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 And Avast!: with DB: TB Plugin: Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Empty space (was: 3.5RC8 a preview of issues to be tested)
Hello Mary, On Wed, 18 May 2005 07:54:46 -0500 GMT (18/05/2005, 19:54 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: Too bad. It means I cannot use v3.5 in the office. This version is a nice toy for my home, but not what I need in a heavy production environment. And I thought TB is *the* tool for the heavy user, and not just a toy. MB It *is* a tool for the heavy user. And getting more so all the time. MB You know that, Thomas! Yeah? You must have missed my message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I cannot use v3.5 in the office if the message list behaviour is not fixed. YMMV, but the new behaviour costs me too much time. MB I think you couldn't resist the alliteration and elegant word MB play. But to write toy in connection with TB! is to slander it! MB :pointmade: The customisable toolsbars are a toy for me, while they are important to others. The new look is also nice but has nothing to do with a production environment. Did they say when TB will move back from toy status to tool status? MB In connection with a threading issue, Stefan Tanurkov has posted on MB TBUDL this morning that the hope is to make a post-release available MB by the weekend. MB mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the mid. I have no problems with threading (works here as ever) and hope that the message list behavior will be fixed at the same time. MB There are so many minor (depending on the particular use needed) MB things to fix, that I'm not sure whether the empty space one will be MB among them. The empty space is a cosmetic issue. I am sure it is connected with the clicking on the last message issue and will be implicitely fixed (would be annoying otherwise). -- Cheers, Thomas. There are a lot of drunk people about to drive home, so drive as fast as you can. It's harder for drunk people to hit you. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Restore problems
Hello Martin, On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:49:08 +0200 GMT (17/05/2005, 19:49 +0700 GMT), Martin Schoch wrote: MS I did a backup of everything of TheBat. I understand from later in this thread that you used TB's internal backup function. MS It was installed in c:\programme\The Bat! . After that I MS deinstalled TheBat, cleared the registry and deleted the MS directory. I did the same. MS For a new fresh installation I changed the directory name to MS c:programme\TheBat Well. I installed TB new, and when the question came whether I want to restore from a backup, I answered yes. It took a little while, and then an error message came Error reading file *.tbk. Tried again, no use. The accounts where all created in the new TB, but all info (for example account properties, all mails) was missing. I tried again to with Tools / Restore, got the same error message. I ended up using the manual backup I had created in an attack of wisdom, so no loss. This happened with 3.5RC9. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: When foreigners are alone, they all prefer to speak English to each other. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hi Roelof, On Wed, 18 May 2005 09:23:02 +0200 (3:23 AM here), Roelof Otten [RO] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: KC Now if I can just get my spam plugin to stay installed. :( RO What plug-in do you use? BayesFilter 2.0.2? Yes RO What if you use an older version? Haven't tried it. Seems like taking a step back when the new one should work. RO Apart from that, after I installed 2.0.2 on top of 1.5.6 the RO software panel of the configuration screen still mentions 1.5.6 as RO the installed version. Even though improperly identified, does 2.0.2 now work? -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgp6Nexu7X8sP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
