Version 4?
I've had a long list of ignored suggestions. My primary beef is areound adress handling, particularly of address book groups and distributions lists. These woul dbe nice to have fixed / included https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3758 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2995 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3643 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=718 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6362 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3004 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4328 -- Graham (via gmane and the web) Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: HTML use (was: When to expect first betas of v4 ?)
Hallo Gleason, On Sun, 20 May 2007 21:09:34 -0400GMT (21-5-2007, 3:09, where I live), you wrote: GP Gleason moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Gleason. ' Please do not send HTML messages to the list except for purposes of testing. While the merits of HTML are debatable, and have been discussed numerous times on the lists, the list rules prohibit HTML e-mail. You can easily automate this by using %SetEditor=1 in your list template. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderators don't need a license. They just do it. pgpyebxJlSBA2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deleted tab
Rick Grunwald wrote on 21/05/2007 at 03:47:22 +1100 subject Deleted tab : Hello Thomas On Saturday, May 19, 2007 you wrote: If you create a wish-list item, I'll support it. I did create one and several people were interested in it. I just went into the bug tracker and it seems to be gone It is not gone, not even deleted http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6153 -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat! 3.99.6 and Regula Anti-Spam Plugin 2.2.6.0 on Windows 2000 ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deleted tab
Hello Hendrik On Monday, May 21, 2007 you wrote: I did create one and several people were interested in it. I just went into the bug tracker and it seems to be gone It is not gone, not even deleted http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6153 I could NOT find it yesterday for the life of me https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6153#bugnotes Ok lets get out the pitch barrels, torches and pitchforks and march on RItlabs - someone bring some rope just in case :D -- Rick The Bat Version 3.99.7 Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Adding contact's photo to MailTicker
Marek Mikus wrote: anybody is interested in wish to display contact's photo to MailTicker? :-) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6368 aha. sure. and the picture should be taken at the moment when the message was sent (or queued for sending). -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Adding contact's photo to MailTicker
Hello all, Monday, May 21, 2007, vitalie vrabie wrote: Marek Mikus wrote: anybody is interested in wish to display contact's photo to MailTicker? :-) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6368 aha. sure. and the picture should be taken at the moment when the message was sent (or queued for sending). You are using MailTicker for outgoing messages to create picture when sending them? Or You did not understood this wish? I am talking about images added to AddressBook or stored in IMAGES folder, same image displayed in Message Header Pane. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.7 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.0.1.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Wish: Adding contact's photo to MailTicker
Marek Mikus wrote: anybody is interested in wish to display contact's photo to MailTicker? :-) https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6368 aha. sure. and the picture should be taken at the moment when the message was sent (or queued for sending). Sometimes I don't understand why everybody is trying to invent the wheel. The Bat! is email client and not instant messenger. If I wanted to use Mail Chat, Emoticons, Rogueicons, etc. I've just used Skype or Windows Messenger. I don't want to see Photo of the person who sent me mail. Usually the people I want to see I see in real life, and for those I don't - I don't. All I want is stable email (IMAP) client with some pieces of templates and good HTML support (Gecko, Trident or any other platform). -- Best Regards, Vilius Šumskas LNK TV system administrator mob.: +370 614 75713 http://www.lnk.lt Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Adding contact's photo to MailTicker
Hello all, Monday, May 21, 2007, Vilius Šumskas wrote: Sometimes I don't understand why everybody is trying to invent the wheel. The Bat! is email client and not instant messenger. If I wanted to use Mail Chat, Emoticons, Rogueicons, etc. I've just used Skype or Windows Messenger. I don't want to see Photo of the person who sent me mail. Usually the people I want to see I see in real life, and for those I don't - I don't. All I want is stable email (IMAP) client with some pieces of templates and good HTML support (Gecko, Trident or any other platform). OK, use Skype or Windows messenger, if You want, but I do not use them and many people I know do not use them too. AFAIK adding image to MailTicker must be simplier than implementing Gecko and let me use Your comparison - The Bat! is email client and not web browser. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.7 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.0.1.2 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Adding contact's photo to MailTicker
Marek Mikus wrote: I am talking about images added to AddressBook or stored in IMAGES folder, same image displayed in Message Header Pane. oh, sure. and the message header pane should display fresh images too. of course, falling back to what you said in case the contact didn't care to have a webcam handy. -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Header pane drifting
In very long threads, my header pane starts pretty uselessly drifting to the left (Image1.png), instead of staying put (Image2.png). This is fairly annoying, as the view doesn't change back when going to another thread, making it impossible to see what you're actually looking at. Also, is there a setting that would keep the columns fixed? I don't want them to automatically adjust to the depth of the thread - I'd much rather see that too deep nodes would start at the left side again, with differently coloured treelines (eg. similarly to how Dialog newsreader does it - Dialog.png) -- Jernej Simončič http://deepthought.ena.si/ A successful symposium depends on the ratio of meeting to eating. -- Zusmann's Rule [The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows 2003 5.2.3790.Service Pack 2] attachment: Image1.pngattachment: Image2.pngattachment: dialog.png Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Adding contact's photo to MailTicker
--On Monday, May 21, 2007 4:55 AM, Marek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK adding image to MailTicker must be simplier than implementing Gecko and let me use Your comparison - The Bat! is email client and not web browser. This is not a reasonable argument. The Bat! isn't a web browser but, unfortunately, a lot of people like to treat the e-mail they send as web pages which forces mail clients to implement, at the very least, a rudimentary HTML display system (which The Bat! has). This is far from a full-fledged browser and thankfully so. Now, having said that, I like eye candy and little pictures of contacts (or even a customizable icon symbol to immediately show which account an e-mail was sent to) is kind of neat. But, let's let Ritlabs finish making IMAP stable. I *still* have to restart The Bat! several times a day because the IMAP queue gets stuck. -- :R. pgpZmcCQScHw5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Voyager - a break through moment.
The one major complaint I've had with using Voyager was that it took around 15 minutes for it to clear itself from Window's processes after shutting it down. If I shut it down and suddenly remembered something I needed it for I had to go in and manually stop it before I could restart Voyager. Anyway... I found out the culprit, and it kills me that it was so easy that I've struggled with it this long. The solution? I reformatted my USB drive to NTFS. I'm guessing it came formatted as FAT as I never bothered to reformat it upon buying it. Running it as NTFS, I can close Voyager down and it closes and clears memory faster almost instantaneously. So if anyone else has had this problem of voyager.exe hanging around in memory for far too long, check to see how your USB drive is formatted - it may make a difference. -- ò.ó Nick Danger [MUA: TB! Voyager 3.99.4] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
The one major complaint I've had with using Voyager was that it took around 15 minutes for it to clear itself from Window's processes after shutting it down. If I shut it down and suddenly remembered something I needed it for I had to go in and manually stop it before I could restart Voyager. Anyway... I found out the culprit, and it kills me that it was so easy that I've struggled with it this long. The solution? I reformatted my USB drive to NTFS. I'm guessing it came formatted as FAT as I never bothered to reformat it upon buying it. Running it as NTFS, I can close Voyager down and it closes and clears memory faster almost instantaneously. So if anyone else has had this problem of voyager.exe hanging around in memory for far too long, check to see how your USB drive is formatted - it may make a difference. I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Reply to message sent 05/21/2007, @ 11:02:29 (10:02 AM Locally) ~~~ Hello Vili, I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. Well, I was about to say I didn't think so as I had defragged the drive before hoping that would help but it didn't. But before sending off that post I figured I'd try some actual testing and reformatted back to FAT to see what would happened. Fired up Voyager, and quit - and sure enough it just sat there hanging around in memory until I went in and killed it myself. So I can confidently say that at least in my case the change to NTFS solved the problem. -- ò.ó Nick Danger [MUA: TB! Voyager 3.99.4] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bat download message problems
After using the bat since its early beginnings I have had to begin the task of looking for alternate email client. Two problems one just surfaced recently. 1. Extremely large delay when sending emails, the bat connects to the email server and just sits there for approximately 30 seconds before starting to send the email. 2. I leave the bat on all day, and retrieve new messages every 5 minutes, After running the bat for an hour or so it locks up when downloading messages, it will just sit there with the last message being downloaded and will never finish, if i use the task manager to close it i get a invalid handle exception error from the bat. No certain message causes this it just reappears at random. I have gone back in Bat builds clear to last spring and it still happens, if I cant fix this I will be saying goodbye to the bat. Any ideas? -- Tim Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager - a break through moment.
I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. Well, I was about to say I didn't think so as I had defragged the drive before hoping that would help but it didn't. But before sending off that post I figured I'd try some actual testing and reformatted back to FAT to see what would happened. Fired up Voyager, and quit - and sure enough it just sat there hanging around in memory until I went in and killed it myself. So I can confidently say that at least in my case the change to NTFS solved the problem. Ok. Then I must agree with you :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Vili wrote: I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. obviously, you're too busy enjoying conventional hard drives in an usb enclosure, so, at the moment, you simply can't figure out that not all usb drives have any moving heads... -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Adding contact's photo to MailTicker
On Mon, 21 May 2007 15:15:25 +0300 vitalie vrabie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marek Mikus wrote: I am talking about images added to AddressBook or stored in IMAGES folder, same image displayed in Message Header Pane. oh, sure. and the message header pane should display fresh images too. of course, falling back to what you said in case the contact didn't care to have a webcam handy. There is a good idea imbedded in there ... If cam is available and option is selected, have a quick pic taken/attached to email when you hit send. Those 3 A.M. emails are surely going to scare someone. :-) LCB -- There are more airplanes on the bottom of the ocean than submarines in the sky. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Hello Nick, Monday, May 21, 2007, 2:25:51 PM, you wrote: I reformatted my USB drive to NTFS. I'm guessing it came formatted as FAT as I never bothered to reformat it upon buying it. Running it as NTFS, I can close Voyager down and it closes and clears memory faster almost instantaneously. How many Voyager lives did you use up in this test? It seems that every time I reformat my drive, I have to reactivate the key. I think I am down to one or two activations left, so I am not eager to procede with the reformat to NTFS, even though I've been wanting to do this for some time. -- Best regards, Dougmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** TheBat! Voyager 3.99.4 on Windows XP Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Reply to message sent 05/21/2007, @ 16:27:20 (11:27 AM Locally) ~~~ Hello Doug, How many Voyager lives did you use up in this test? It seems that every time I reformat my drive, I have to reactivate the key. I think I am down to one or two activations left, so I am not eager to procede with the reformat to NTFS, even though I've been wanting to do this for some time. Just one. As the drive ID includes format I needed a new one for the NTFS format. Other than that I just change the volume ID number back to what it was before reformatting. I use both a USB stick and USB external drive but have them both ID'd the same so I can just update whatever drive I want to use with my current Voyager installation and run with it. HTH -- ò.ó Nick Danger [MUA: TB! Voyager 3.99.4] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager - a break through moment.
Vili wrote: I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. obviously, you're too busy enjoying conventional hard drives in an usb enclosure, so, at the moment, you simply can't figure out that not all usb drives have any moving heads... Doug Higby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on May 11: In my experience, every USB memory stick is different. The one I am using now reads and writes at 16MBits per second, and my previous one was only 8. There is a free utility on the web to test your speed, but it is on my office computer and I forget what it is called. A second factor that really improved my speed was defragmenting my Voyager drive. I never thought to do this and **wow** was it fragmented! Also readthis: http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid68_gci1220272,00.html Vitalie: - if you are pissed off of me because I did not accept the invitation to your professional network, I am sorry, I just dont have the time for any extra online activity beside the 4 kids, my job and my business. - if you just kick into anybody because of your ego.. well, that is your problem. Try to accept the fact that you are not God. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat download message problems
Hello Timothy, Monday, May 21, 2007, 3:32:06 PM, you wrote: 1. Extremely large delay when sending emails, the bat connects to the email server and just sits there for approximately 30 seconds before starting to send the email. Your problems could be related to a poor DNS server. If it is standard pop3 and smtp, you could try using the tcpip address instead of mail.domain.com, or you could set your computer to use the opendns DNS servers (just Google OpenDNS). If using wireless, it could be a problem with your wireless protocol, where it fades in and out of connection. Or, it could be your email host that is overworked and slow to respond. What is your server timeout set to in account properties under Transport ? 2. I leave the bat on all day, and retrieve new messages every 5 minutes, After running the bat for an hour or so it locks up when downloading messages, it will just sit there with the last message being downloaded and will never finish. I've had this behaviour too with poor internet connections and a dozen people trying to connect on a wireless connection. If you tell us that Outlook Express races through sending and receiving, then there may be reason to suspect that The Bat! is at fault. -- Best regards, Dougmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** TheBat! Voyager 3.99.4 on Windows XP Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OTF Encryption and defrag
Hi TBBETA, After seeing Nick's thread on Voyager and reformatting USB sticks (I always use NTFS on 'em) I realized I had forgotten to mention something. I have had mailbase corruption more than once when using OTF and having Diskeeper running in the background. It took several times for me to theorize what was happening, and I still do not have absolute conclusive truth, but I believe Diskeeper running on automatic can cause corruption on larger mailbases. I'm sure the same may hold true for Voyager, too. -- Regards, Neal Using TheBat! v3.99.6 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Hello Nick, Monday, May 21, 2007, 4:25:51 PM, you wrote: ND So if anyone else has had this problem of voyager.exe hanging around ND in memory for far too long, check to see how your USB drive is ND formatted - it may make a difference. Are you talking about a USB HD or a USB memory stick? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.99.6 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 12:43:16) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Reply to message sent 05/21/2007, @ 21:27:25 (2:27 PM Locally) ~~~ Hello Mark, Are you talking about a USB HD or a USB memory stick? Memory stick, but it was purchasing a USB hard drive that brought the problem to light. I formatted the hard drive to remove all the preinstalled stuff I didn't want and then changed the volume ID. When Voyager needed to be reactivated, that's what caused me to realize I never formatted my USB stick and it was FAT. So to make it easy to swap Voyager back and forth I formatted my stick to NTFS and BAM! I noticed how quickly Voyager suddenly exited memory. I didn't format the hard drive to FAT to see if that caused Voyager to hang on it. Mainly because I already have a bunch of stuff on it and don't feel like dealing with the hassle. -- ò.ó Nick Danger [MUA: TB! Voyager 3.99.4] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Voyager activation problem
I just had a user who experienced problems with the activation of Voyager. He did everything okay, but he still got the following error message in Internet Explorer when he pressed the Fetch key button: ERROR Text string is too long (should not exceed 250 characters) I tried with his reg. key (put his USB stick's Volume ID in the link), no problem at me. As we finally figured out, the problem was that he used Internet Explorer v7, I used IE6. IE7 replaces the final = (equation) character in the link that points to the secure Ritlabs site when you press the Fetch key with %3D, the ascii code of the character =. In my browser: https://support.ritlabs.com/...TokenSernum=NTFS-KeyBlock=AW...Yy0= in his IE7 browser: https://support.ritlabs.com/...TokenSernum=NTFS-KeyBlock=AW...Yy0%3D So, conclusion: IE6, Firefox can be used to get the Activation key, IE7 does not... Maybe Ritlabs should change something how it handles this queries on its server? -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Voyager activation problem
As we finally figured out, the problem was that he used Internet Explorer v7, I used IE6. IE7 replaces the final = (equation) character in the link that points to the secure Ritlabs site when you press the Fetch key with %3D, the ascii code of the character =. As it should. Character = cannot be used in data representation of the URL. It must be URL encoded (see http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/html/topics/urlencoding.htm). -- Best Regards, Vilius Šumskas LNK TV system administrator mob.: +370 614 75713 http://www.lnk.lt Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Vili wrote: A second factor that really improved my speed was defragmenting my Voyager drive. I never thought to do this and **wow** was it fragmented! and? so what? was the drive formatted with NTFS or FAT? unlike FAT, fragmented NTFS files do take extra structures to be read, thus slowing the speed. not as much as with moving mechanical heads, but it might somehow get noticeable. and NTFS fragmentation may take extra space too, although it usually fits in the MFT. - if you just kick into anybody because of your ego.. well, that is your problem. Try to accept the fact that you are not God. LOL. oh, my dear Oracle... -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager activation problem
Hello Vilius, As we finally figured out, the problem was that he used Internet Explorer v7, I used IE6. IE7 replaces the final = (equation) character in the link that points to the secure Ritlabs site when you press the Fetch key with %3D, the ascii code of the character =. As it should. Character = cannot be used in data representation of the URL. It must be URL encoded (see http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/html/topics/urlencoding.htm). I cant open that page, but I trust you. All I can say that IE6 did not encode the =. -- Vili The Bat 3.99.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2 Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Vili wrote: - if you are pissed off of me because I did not accept the invitation to your professional network, I am sorry, I just dont have the time for any extra online activity beside the 4 kids, my job and my business. waitaminute. you have 4 kids, and you dare calling *me* hyperactive? what are you trying to insinuate??? -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
