Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Marcus,
Monday, October 18, 2004, 1:33:51 PM, you wrote:

MO> Isn't this just a question of semantics? You (Stuart Cuddy) are
MO> talking about the reasons to temporarily change the sort order while
MO> Stuart Hemming is talking about the rational for TB! changing the used
MO> view mode when changing sort order. You are using the term "changing
MO> the view mode" to describe what happens today, Stuart Hemming uses it
MO> to describe what he think TB! *should* do (or rather should not do).

MO> Am I right?

That may very well be right, but we still have a duty to fight about
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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 19:55, Stuart Cuddy wrote:

SH>> So, again, what's the point in it changing the viewmode?

>  I don't get your point.

Isn't this just a question of semantics? You (Stuart Cuddy) are
talking about the reasons to temporarily change the sort order while
Stuart Hemming is talking about the rational for TB! changing the used
view mode when changing sort order. You are using the term "changing
the view mode" to describe what happens today, Stuart Hemming uses it
to describe what he think TB! *should* do (or rather should not do).

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Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Stuart,
Monday, October 18, 2004, 8:37:15 AM, you wrote:

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SC>>  sort and filter my inbox content. By clicking on the From Header I
SC>>  can sort it by from and select all the mail from the same person to
SC>>  delete or move to another directory. I then have to remember to
SC>>  change it back by
SH> So, again, what's the point in it changing the viewmode?

SH> If I have a VM set and I want a temp change to, say, sorting, I would
SH> like to be able to click on the header and then forget about it.
SH> If/when I return to this folder the original VM should still apply. I
SH> can't see the point in getting TB! to change the VM only to forget the
SH> changes the instant I leave the folder.

 I don't get your point. When you click on the header to do a
 temporary sort,it changes the viewmode permanently. What you describe
 above is what happens. Give it a try.
 Change you sort order by clicking on a header.
 Now leave the folder and then come back again.
 The folder will now be using the change you made, not the original
 sort order. This has also made a change to all folders using this
 viewmode.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Stuart Hemming]

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SC>  sort and filter my inbox content. By clicking on the From Header I
SC>  can sort it by from and select all the mail from the same person to
SC>  delete or move to another directory. I then have to remember to
SC>  change it back by
So, again, what's the point in it changing the viewmode?

If I have a VM set and I want a temp change to, say, sorting, I would
like to be able to click on the header and then forget about it.
If/when I return to this folder the original VM should still apply. I
can't see the point in getting TB! to change the VM only to forget the
changes the instant I leave the folder.

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Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Stuart, Stuart here:
Monday, October 18, 2004, 3:02:38 AM, you wrote:

SC>>  What if when you click on a header it changes the view mode but by
SC>>  default when you leave the currently viewed folder the change is
SC>>  lost.
SH> What then, would be the point of changing the viewmode?

 I often read my email on a computer upstairs, but make sure it gets
 stored on a computer downstairs. When I do this I need to quickly
 sort and filter my inbox content. By clicking on the From Header I
 can sort it by from and select all the mail from the same person to
 delete or move to another directory. I then have to remember to
 change it back by clicking,usually twice, on the Created Header to
 return it to my regular view.

 Or what about errant clicks where instead of clicking on the message
 you mean to click on you hit the header and accidentally change the
 viewmode.

 Or what if you want to temporarily sort by priority, or subject, or
 size, for whatever reason to see a pattern. It would be nice to not
 have to worry about returning to the old viewmode before leaving the
 folder.

 Many different reasons for many different people. ;)

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

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SC>  What if when you click on a header it changes the view mode but by
SC>  default when you leave the currently viewed folder the change is
SC>  lost.
What then, would be the point of changing the viewmode?

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[MAU]

Hello Stuart,

>  Here if the link, please add to it.

Note added :)

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Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Alexander,
Saturday, October 16, 2004, 10:02:01 AM, you wrote:

ASK> Hello Stuart Cuddy & everyone else

ASK> 16-Okt-2004 16:48, you wrote:

>>  If there were any support I would make it a wish.

ASK> Sounds good, count me in!

 Here if the link, please add to it.

 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3949

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Re[4]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Munango-Keewati,
Saturday, October 16, 2004, 3:31:33 PM, you wrote:

MK> It's already there--right mouse click, Save To.  However, I'm not
MK> certain it doesn't save other VM settings in addition to column
MK> settings.  This wouldn't matter if you only wanted to save to the
MK> current view mode, but would if you were trying to save to other view
MK> modes as well.

Yes I see it if you right click on the bar at the top, however, the
missing component here is that you don't have to use that because it
will already have made this change permanent for the current viewmode.
I would like to have any changes made by clicking on the top bar to be
only temporary unless I select the option to Save.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Munango-Keewati

-
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, at 19:13:13 [GMT -0500] (which was 5:13 PM where
I live) you wrote:

> On Friday, October 15, 2004, 4:37:08 AM, 9Val wrote:

>> Hmm,   it   is   not   a  bug  (it  works  as designed), but a feature
>> request.

> If accidentally clicking on a column header nukes the view mode you
> spent an hour creating, it's hard to call that a feature.

I totally agree. I can't think of another program that does not keep
the existing view irrespective of changing the sort column. In my
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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[MAU]

Hello Stuart,


>  If there were any support I would make it a wish.

I don't really care how it is implemented as long as any change to the
sorting column in a folder, whether intentional or not, does _not_
affect the _definition_ of the view mode.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Stuart Cuddy & everyone else

16-Okt-2004 16:48, you wrote:

>  If there were any support I would make it a wish.

Sounds good, count me in!

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Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello MAU,
Saturday, October 16, 2004, 6:51:18 AM, you wrote:

M> Hello Munango-Keewati,

>> If accidentally clicking on a column header nukes the view mode you
>> spent an hour creating, it's hard to call that a feature.

M> Because it was designed that way, it _is_ a feature. But I'd agree with
M> you that it is not a desirable one and should be changed.

 Suggestion:
 What if when you click on a header it changes the view mode but by
 default when you leave the currently viewed folder the change is
 lost. This way you can retain your carefully set up Viewmode without
 having to worry about an errant click.
 Then if you really wanted this Viewmode change to become permanent
 there could be a choice on Right click that offers to "Save current
 Layout". This way you wouldn't always have to answer this question
 everytime you wanted to make a temporary change, but could still use
 the click on header approach to change the layout.

 If there were any support I would make it a wish.
 

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Nick Andriash]

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, at 4:56:44 AM, Doug wrote:

> Munango-Keewati> If accidentally clicking on a column
> Munango-Keewati> header nukes the view mode you
> Munango-Keewati> spent an hour creating, it's hard to
> Munango-Keewati> call that a feature.

> Agreed.

Doug, would you mind shortening your "User information for Replying" to say
initials, or at least first name only? At present, your setting uses up too
much valuable screen space.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[MAU]

Hello Munango-Keewati,

> If accidentally clicking on a column header nukes the view mode you
> spent an hour creating, it's hard to call that a feature.

Because it was designed that way, it _is_ a feature. But I'd agree with
you that it is not a desirable one and should be changed.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Doug Weller]

Hi Munango-Keewati,


Saturday, October 16, 2004, 1:13:13 AM, you wrote:

Munango-Keewati> If accidentally clicking on a column
Munango-Keewati> header nukes the view mode you
Munango-Keewati> spent an hour creating, it's hard to
Munango-Keewati> call that a feature.

Agreed.

Munango-Keewati> I use the (undocumented) Ctrl +
Munango-Keewati> RMB-click-on-column-header technique
Munango-Keewati> to multiply sort columns in my view
Munango-Keewati> modes.

Right click and Ctrl Right click seem to do the same thing. What am I
msising here?

Munango-Keewati>  For instance, in my Inbox
Munango-Keewati> view mode I might sort first by read
Munango-Keewati> status, second by received date,
Munango-Keewati> third by sender, and fourth by
Munango-Keewati> subject. (Very nice feature, by the
Munango-Keewati> way.) One errant mouse click on a
Munango-Keewati> column header and --bam!--it's gone.
Munango-Keewati> I have to recreate it from scratch.
Munango-Keewati> This is not a "feature" I
Munango-Keewati> appreciate.

Munango-Keewati> If sorting by columns changes the
Munango-Keewati> view mode, then it loses it's basic
Munango-Keewati> usefulness as a quick way to group
Munango-Keewati> together all messages from a given
Munango-Keewati> sender, etc.  Or view modes becomes unusable.

Agreed.

Munango-Keewati> Hold your cursor over a column header
Munango-Keewati> and right click.  You're offered
Munango-Keewati> the option to save the column
Munango-Keewati> settings to a view mode.  I should have
Munango-Keewati> to use this feature if I want the
Munango-Keewati> changes saved.  Otherwise they
Munango-Keewati> should be discarded when I move to a different folders.

Absolutely.

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Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Munango-Keewati]

On Friday, October 15, 2004, 4:37:08 AM, 9Val wrote:
> Hello Munango-Keewati,  

MK>> Frankly, I can't consider a program to be serious, professional
MK>> offering when a basic function--common to all similar programs,
MK>> in your face every time you look at the main screen--doesn't work
MK>> properly.  Sorting by columns should not change saved view modes.

> Hmm,   it   is   not   a  bug  (it  works  as designed), but a feature
> request.

If accidentally clicking on a column header nukes the view mode you
spent an hour creating, it's hard to call that a feature.

I use the (undocumented) Ctrl + RMB-click-on-column-header technique
to multiply sort columns in my view modes. For instance, in my Inbox
view mode I might sort first by read status, second by received date,
third by sender, and fourth by subject. (Very nice feature, by the
way.) One errant mouse click on a column header and --bam!--it's gone.
I have to recreate it from scratch. This is not a "feature" I
appreciate.

If sorting by columns changes the view mode, then it loses it's basic
usefulness as a quick way to group together all messages from a given
sender, etc.  Or view modes becomes unusable.

Hold your cursor over a column header and right click.  You're offered
the option to save the column settings to a view mode.  I should have
to use this feature if I want the changes saved.  Otherwise they
should be discarded when I move to a different folders.


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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Paul White]

On Friday, 15 October 2004 at 17:54 (UK time), Alexander S. Kunz said:

> I don't have a problem the way it is, I regard view modes as an extension
> to the "default folder" sort of thing & its perfectly ok for me the way it
> is...

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Dwight A Corrin & everyone else

15-Okt-2004 18:09, you wrote:

> what a nuisance that would become if every time one needed to
> momentarily change sorting, they had to stop and answer a pop. I think
> it's fine while WAD

So if the pop should pop should be configurable. Nahhh! :-)

I don't have a problem the way it is, I regard view modes as an extension
to the "default folder" sort of thing & its perfectly ok for me the way it
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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

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On Friday, October 15, 2004, 3:34:08 AM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> If it is solely about the "how", I like Marcus' suggestion best: TB
> should pop up a requester asking the user what he wants to do when
> he/she alters the viewmode-preset view of a folder...

> Something like - "this folder currently uses viewmode ABC - click YES
> to alter the entire viewmode for all folders, click NO to remove the
> viewmode from the folder and use an individual configuration".

what a nuisance that would become if every time one needed to
momentarily change sorting, they had to stop and answer a pop. I think
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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[9Val]

Hello Munango-Keewati,  

MK> Frankly, I can't consider a program to be serious, professional
MK> offering when a basic function--common to all similar programs,
MK> in your face every time you look at the main screen--doesn't work
MK> properly.  Sorting by columns should not change saved view modes.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, October 15, 2004, 11:36, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

 WAD

>>> Wad *g* does this stand for?

>> Way Of Design. Sorry, should have spelt that out.

> I see, (W)ay (o)f (d)esign is abbreviated into WAD... ohh
> kay... ;-)

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Marcus,

Friday, October 15, 2004, 10:42:29 AM, you wrote:

>>> WAD

>> Wad *g* does this stand for?

> Way Of Design. Sorry, should have spelt that out.

I see, (W)ay (o)f (d)esign is abbreviated into WAD... ohh
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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, October 15, 2004, 11:23, MAU wrote:

>> Way Of Design. Sorry, should have spelt that out.

> I believe it is: Working As Designed. :)

You seem to be right:
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=WAD

Thanks for correcting me.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[MAU]

Hello Marcus,

>>> WAD
> 
>> Wad *g* does this stand for?
> 
> Way Of Design. Sorry, should have spelt that out.

I believe it is: Working As Designed. :)

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Tim Sharrock]

Friday, October 15, 2004, 9:34:08 AM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
ASK>>> I *expect* that the viewmode will change in all other folders
ASK>>> that use the same viewmode, too.

??>> I disagree, if I want the viewmode to change I should edit the
??>> viewmode. THere are any number of reasons for changing a setting in an
??>> individual folder as a one off that you don't want to be reflected
??>> everywhere else.
[...]

> I wanted to show that the real "issue" is about how one or the other
> user expect this feature to work, thats why I described how I see and
> want it...

> If it is solely about the "how", I like Marcus' suggestion best: TB
> should pop up a requester asking the user what he wants to do when
> he/she alters the viewmode-preset view of a folder...

> Something like - "this folder currently uses viewmode ABC - click YES
> to alter the entire viewmode for all folders, click NO to remove the
> viewmode from the folder and use an individual configuration".

Other possibilities include remembering the current
viewmode, and subsequently having the option to

- return to the saved viewmode
- change the saved viewmode to match the current settings
- change to some other viewmode (or none)

I think I would like temporary changes to a folder's view
settings not to be remembered across shutting the program
down.

I do not yet use viewmodes, but if I do, I want them them to
be persistent and carefully crafted (like styles in a
word-processor document) and not easily accidentally
changed.

It does seem that different users have very different
visions for this sort of feature

Tim

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Peter Fjelsten]

Stuart,

On 15-10-2004 10:07, you [SH] wrote in
:
SH> I disagree, if I want the viewmode to change I should edit the
SH> viewmode.

Exactly. Agree completely. It annoys me too that if I sort one folder by
sender, then all folders (with a variety of view modes) are suddenly
sorted by sender, too.

I'd prefer a menu entry for _system_wide_ changes: Global view mode
(which can be set back to Undefined to "return" to all the view modes
set for individual folders), global sorting. Set from the View menu,
they would apply to all.

Clicking on a column header should be local and transient.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Roger Phillips]

Hello Munango-Keewati,

Friday, October 15, 2004, 5:13:36 AM, among other things, you wrote:

MK> Frankly, I can't consider a program to be serious, professional
MK> offering when a basic function--common to all similar programs,
MK> in your face every time you look at the main screen--doesn't work
MK> properly.  Sorting by columns should not change saved view modes.

The  present  behaviour  is  one  of  the main purposes of View Modes.

I'm  not  sure  exactly  why you need to frequently change the sorting
target, but perhaps you should consider applying an individual View to
certain  folders.   Highlight the folder and use Alt+Enter to call the
menu,  then  choose  'Column  setting'  (it  is near the bottom of the
folder properties window).

I hope this helps.


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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, October 15, 2004, 10:34, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

>> WAD

> Wad *g* does this stand for?

Way Of Design. Sorry, should have spelt that out.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Marcus,

Friday, October 15, 2004, 10:10:47 AM, you wrote:

> WAD

Wad *g* does this stand for?

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Stuart,

Friday, October 15, 2004, 10:07:31 AM, you wrote:

ASK>> I *expect* that the viewmode will change in all other folders
ASK>> that use the same viewmode, too.

> I disagree, if I want the viewmode to change I should edit the
> viewmode. THere are any number of reasons for changing a setting in an
> individual folder as a one off that you don't want to be reflected
> everywhere else.

Well then, in that case you have to "free" the folder from the
viewmode, and you can do that.


> I think that MK's slating of the whole product as unprofessional 'cos
> of this bug is a little over the top, but he's entitled to his (her?)
> opinion.

> I'm pretty sure that there's an issue on BT for this.

I wanted to show that the real "issue" is about how one or the other
user expect this feature to work, thats why I described how I see and
want it...

If it is solely about the "how", I like Marcus' suggestion best: TB
should pop up a requester asking the user what he wants to do when
he/she alters the viewmode-preset view of a folder...

Something like - "this folder currently uses viewmode ABC - click YES
to alter the entire viewmode for all folders, click NO to remove the
viewmode from the folder and use an individual configuration".


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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, October 15, 2004, 05:13, Munango-Keewati wrote:

>Sorting by columns should not change saved view modes.

You should not call this a bug, it's WAD. I too would like to be asked
whether to save or not to save changes to the current view mode, but not
liking the current design doesn't make it a bug.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

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ASK> I *expect* that the viewmode will change in all other folders
ASK> that use the same viewmode, too.
I disagree, if I want the viewmode to change I should edit the
viewmode. THere are any number of reasons for changing a setting in an
individual folder as a one off that you don't want to be reflected
everywhere else.

I think that MK's slating of the whole product as unprofessional 'cos
of this bug is a little over the top, but he's entitled to his (her?)
opinion.

I'm pretty sure that there's an issue on BT for this.
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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Munango-Keewati,

Friday, October 15, 2004, 5:13:36 AM, you wrote:

> Frankly, I can't consider a program to be serious, professional
> offering when a basic function--common to all similar programs, in
> your face every time you look at the main screen--doesn't work
> properly. Sorting by columns should not change saved view modes.

I don't know what bug you're referring to, but it would be my
understanding (and I actually like it that way) that - if I associate
a folder with a certain view mode - the settings of the folder and the
viewmode are "linked", ie. if I change the sort order/column in one
folder with a certain viewmode applied, I *expect* that the viewmode
will change in all other folders that use the same viewmode, too.
Otherwise I wouldn't need viewmodes but could configure all my folders
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Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Munango-Keewati]

If not, when will it be fixed?

Frankly, I can't consider a program to be serious, professional
offering when a basic function--common to all similar programs,
in your face every time you look at the main screen--doesn't work
properly.  Sorting by columns should not change saved view modes.

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Re[3]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

[Munango-Keewati]

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 9:48:10 AM, Stuart Cuddy wrote:
> Then if you really wanted this Viewmode change to become
> permanent
>  there could be a choice on Right click that offers to "Save
> current
>  Layout". This way you wouldn't always have to answer this
> question
>  everytime you wanted to make a temporary change, but could
> still use
>  the click on header approach to change the layout.

It's already there--right mouse click, Save To.  However, I'm not
certain it doesn't save other VM settings in addition to column
settings.  This wouldn't matter if you only wanted to save to the
current view mode, but would if you were trying to save to other view
modes as well.

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Sorting by Multiple Columns (WAS Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?)

[Munango-Keewati]

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 3:15:48 AM, Doug Weller wrote:
Munango-Keewati>> I use the (undocumented) Ctrl +
Munango-Keewati>> RMB-click-on-column-header technique
Munango-Keewati>> to multiply sort columns in my view
Munango-Keewati>> modes.

> Right click and Ctrl Right click seem to do the same thing. What am I
> msising here?

I wish we had more documentation on this. I'd suggest you create a
Test view mode to experiment in. Sort the first column normally (LMB
click), then hold down the control key and LMB click (sorry, I wrote
RMB before) on the column you want for the second level sorting. You
should see a number 2 appear next to the column name, and a number 1
next to the first column you sorted by.

That's how it works on my machine. It's possible that you have to have
some kind of system setting selected, though.  Wish we had
documentation.

When you've got it perfected, with all the different sorting levels
going in the right direction (ascending or descending), RMB-click over
any of the column headings and use Save To to save the setting to the
View Modes for which it's appropriate.  (Er, actually I think you can
do that to save only the column settings, but it might also save
whatever other settings you have in your Test view mode.  So best to
experiment before overwriting already existing view modes.)

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