Re: Wrapped .33
On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 10:26:51 [UTC+0300] (Wednesday, October 13, 2004 09:26 my local time) Maxim Masiutin wrote: We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: Both wrapped and non-wrapped 3.0.1.33 versions start and exit smoothly on Windows 95. However, I don't have ant TB track in ARP (somebody noted this also on Windows ME). On Windows 2000 all is OK. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 95 4.0 Build b) Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Maxim, On 13-10-2004 09:26, you [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a new MM version announcement within a few hours. Could you elaborate on what the size descriptions in the MSI installer are supposed to stand for? Mine said Help file 0 Kb, Tips 0 Kb - although they were to be installed. TB core files we 8,5 MB or something like that... So are the sizes what is added to the current installation or the total sizes (I did custom install) - because I these numbers do not make sense to me either way. I'm using the Pro version. -- Peter Fjelsten (using 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1) IMAP/Exchange issues: Days since reported: No Drafts folder (0002080) 321 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello, Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 10:03:21 AM, you wrote: MS Well not a big problem - but I had to reopen: MS https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2456 ST It must be OK in .33 - please check it. Not fixed... https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2456 Please also check very annoying bug blocking TB with proper work with certificates: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3899 -- Best regards, Prezes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! v3.0.1.33, Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 2 -- Startuj z INTERIA.PL!!! http://link.interia.pl/f1837 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hi Maxim, On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, at 10:26:51 [GMT +0300] (which was 9:26 where I live) you wrote about: 'Wrapped .33' We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_home.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_professional.msi If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a new version announcement within a few hours. Install and program runs fine, withe exception of the fact that the installer selects the incorrect directory: - TheBat is installed in c:\Program Files\The Bat!\ - Email storage is on H:\Thebat (so I can access it from multiple machines) - MSI selects H:\Thebat as the installation folder. I have to choose 'Custom' and change the folder to get it in my local folder. -- Robert van der Hulst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP.5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Maxim Masiutin [MM] wrote, We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_home.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_professional.msi If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a new version announcement within a few hours. This msi installed fine here. I only have one entry in the ARP section of the Control Panel, which is good. So far, so good... -- Regards, Ron Secord Flying with The Bat! 3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 == A word to the wise is unnecessary. - La Rouchefoucauld Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hi Maxim, on Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:26:51 +0300GMT, you wrote: MM We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: Installed without problems and works smoothly as far as I can tell. There is still no entry in the ARP, but who cares... ;-) -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98, 4, 10, build , IBM Thinkpad 760XL at 133 MHz, 80 MB RAM BayesIt! 0.7.3 pgpWysPKY57df.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Maxim! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 2:26 AM, you wrote: MM We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: ... MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_professional.msi MM If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a MM new version announcement within a few hours. All is well here. Good job. My sleeping hours are just somewhat different from yours, as is my time zone. :) I read a post on tbudl just now that seemed to indicate that the announcement has been made, in which the poster complained that the .com website is still announcing v. 2.0. So, if you have announced, congratulations--I am finding no problems at all. Another :star: to you and to all your colleagues! Many thanks for the hard, careful work and quick responses to your beta testers. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.1.33 Professional on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Maxim! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 7:00 AM, you wrote: MB I read a post on tbudl just now that seemed to indicate that the MB announcement has been made, in which the poster complained that MB the .com website is still announcing v. 2.0. So, if you have MB announced, congratulations--I am finding no problems at all. Just looked at the Home Page, using Help/WWW Home Page. Very, very nice! Version 3.0 is there, and on the Download page, it shows as 3.0.1, with October 13, 2004, as the date. :girlcheer: :star: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 9:26:51 AM, among other things, you wrote: MM We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_home.msi I have just downloaded and installed from this .msi. No problem with installing, but still no TB entry in my 'Add\Remove programs' list. -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.0.1.33, and antispam on Windows ME, version 3000, Build 90 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wednesday, 13 October 2004 at 13:03 (UK time), Roger Phillips said: I have just downloaded and installed from this .msi. No problem with installing, but still no TB entry in my 'Add\Remove programs' list. It has been pointed out several times on this list that you won't now get this on 95, 98 or ME. I don't fully understand why but it is something to do with processing un-installs and removing files and/or registry info. -- Paul White Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 (Home) on Windows 98 (4.10.1998) with BayesIt! 0.7.3 and MyMacros 1.11a Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 2:26:51 AM, you wrote: MM Hello Tbbeta, MM We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_home.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_professional.msi MM If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a MM new version announcement within a few hours. No show stoppers here using Windows 98. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Maxim Masiutin wrotes on 13/10/2004 at 18:26:51 +1100 subject Wrapped .33 : Hello Tbbeta, We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_home.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_professional.msi If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a new version announcement within a few hours. Seems to work fine here. Just the Path is not correctly detected, I have to select the right one manually in custom-installation. I have also give a new try to BayesIt, seems to work fine too. -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.0.1.33 and on Windows 2000 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Maxim, On Wednesday, October 13, 2004 you wrote: Hello Tbbeta, We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_home.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_professional.msi If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a new version announcement within a few hours. Doesn't install at all. Tried both home and pro package. During removing previous version it seems to have troubles finding it (or something else), anyway it says that package I'm trying to install is on an unavailable network volume and requests me to show where the file is. By default it displays the path to the place where previous msi files are, I then point it to new MSI file, but then install says that this is not a valid installation package. If I just point to a directory, not the whole MSI file, it searches for thebat.msi, but fails to find it. So I can only cancel it, and finally it says that previous version of TB could not be removed. -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [unreg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:00:35 -0500, Mary Bull wrote: Another :star: to you and to all your colleagues! Many thanks for the hard, careful work and quick responses to your beta testers. :) Many thanks for what? I think you (as many others on this list) have lost perspective a bit. RitLabs is NOT a Welfare Organisation for TB List Members, RitLabs is (or should be) a commercial company producing professional software as a bussiness. I think it is a expletive withheld shame that RitLabs saddles its loyal-through-thick-and-thin group of Beta testers up which such an awful mess. It's these people you should say thank you to (IMNSHO of course). Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Arjan! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 10:40 AM, you wrote: AdG It's these people you should say thank you to (IMNSHO of AdG course). So, I'm waiting for your thank-you to me. So far, all I have received is an on-line scolding. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.1.33 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:21:14 +0200, Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: Doesn't install at all. It installed fine for me, Krzysztof. And, so far, I don't see any evidence of the annoyances associated with RC6 - the old help files (though I cannot say if this msi overwrote the others, because I did not test that), the missing language submenu, the disappearing data on the preview pane, and the extra entries in the ARP. But I have a different question. I'd like to know why the Windows installer wanted to connect to the Internet when I was installing TB. What was that about? I instructed my firewall to let it happen, but I am never happy with mysterious, outgoing communication happening from my computer. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and TB Pro 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Avi, On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Avi mused about Wrapped .33 (at least in part): :pacsnip2a: AY But I have a different question. I'd like to know why the Windows AY installer wanted to connect to the Internet when I was installing TB. AY What was that about? I instructed my firewall to let it happen, but I AY am never happy with mysterious, outgoing communication happening from AY my computer. :pacsnip2b: Microsoft Software Installer (msi) connects to the internet when it is used to check for new versions of itself. It is a function of the MSI, not The Bat! installer. - -- :lurking: Michael L. Wilson, MBA :usflag: Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 :beta: Windows XP 5.1 (build: 2600) Service Pack 2 Ponder this: I read a report that said the typical symptoms of stress were eating too much, drinking too much, impulse buying, and driving too fast. Who are they kidding? That's my idea of a perfect day. morning dayevening === 09:13 Spam Stats, last Week (BayesIt! 0.7.3) Total Spam Emails: 87 Total Clean Emails: 596 BayesIT guessed right 96.644295% of the time My email is 12.737921% spam = -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQW1UXvvT94bCV8K0EQLbXwCfVXOGZsQdOPr3tnCd4eEb+cmcemUAnRcs ICaY1YjLMEuB1fojduvlJ2Td =BY72 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hi Maxim Masiutin, Wednesday, October 13, 2004 you let us know -at least in parts- : If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a new version announcement within a few hours. I know that I am late (running the new major release since two hours), but finally I can say: let the beast out :-)) -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :star: Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:14:11 -0700, Michael L. Wilson wrote: Microsoft Software Installer (msi) connects to the internet when it is used to check for new versions of itself. It is a function of the MSI, not The Bat! installer. Thanks for the clarification, Michael. That is good to know. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and TB Pro 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
So, I'm waiting for your thank-you to me. So far, all I have received is an on-line scolding. :) My, isn't there a lot of bad temper around today, Mary? Must be the weather or something. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Arjan! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 5:40:48 PM you wrote: I think it is a expletive withheld shame that RitLabs saddles its loyal-through-thick-and-thin group of Beta testers up which such an awful mess. It's these people you should say thank you to (IMNSHO of course). Well, since I am in a mellow mood tonight ... I found over the course of my life (according to statistics I am not quite half through but did considerable progress the last years) that it is much more efficient - apart from nice and other rather morally loaded terms - to thank people than to slam them. Regardless if it is individuals or companies. Stefan, Val and Maxim did thank the beta testers, in the past and in the current beta cycle. Why not show a bit of gratitude towards a small business trying to provide us with a still unsurpassed product. Unsurpassed at least for those using it. As to perspective, are we sure it's Mary, Dennis, me and lots of others losing it, or could it be the other camp sometimes loses it? -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Wenn ich nicht Anti-Kommunist wäre, würde ich sofort Kommunist werden! (Aleks Papst) Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Clive! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 11:49 AM, you wrote: MB So, I'm waiting for your thank-you to me. So far, all I have MB received is an on-line scolding. :) CT My, isn't there a lot of bad temper around today, Mary? Must be the CT weather or something. LOL Did you not notice the Smiley? Arjan said I should be thanking my fellow beta-testers and not the programmers, whom he views as doing only the job we are collectively paying them to do. I, on the other hand, always thank my wait-person in a restaurant and present a thank-you tip for service, even if occasionally inept--and especially when hard work is being done to make amends. And, from time to time, I find occasion to thank and tip the chef, also. Is that a good analogy? Very nice to hear from you, I would like also to say, my sharp-tongued fellow native-speaker of English! :gdr: LOL Well, we have a bit of time on our hands while we wait for the next beta to arrive. I am trying to do a good job. How would you rate my efforts so far? :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.1.33 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
LOL Did you not notice the Smiley? I wasn't referring to you, Mary, as I suspect you know. I'm allergic to smileys (and those horrible :: things too, I'm afraid) so that's why I subconsciously blotted out the wretched thing! -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Well, we have a bit of time on our hands while we wait for the next beta to arrive. I am trying to do a good job. How would you rate my efforts so far? :) Sorry, Mary, I didn't read the rest of your posting - interrupted by the household domestic goddess for a dressing down. I think you're doing just fine - the silent majority tends to weight the postings in any list towards the vocal and disgruntled. Aim off for that. I've just given up the editorship our our local community magazine after seven years - so I'll have a little time on my hands as well to annoy people in this list. Perhaps I ought to rejoin TBOT before I get trouted for this. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Clive! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 12:10 PM, you wrote: MB lol Did you not notice the Smiley? CT I wasn't referring to you, Mary, as I suspect you know. Honestly, I did not. You were posting directly to an exchange between Arjan and me, and you called me by name in the body of the text. lol Actually, I'm happy to be in discussion with you. I hope you like it that I am on this list now, with you. CT I'm allergic to smileys (and those horrible :: things too, I'm CT afraid) so that's why I subconsciously blotted out the wretched CT thing! So, maybe you don't mind lol ? No colons there. Or, h2g2 , as in *The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy*? (I really do feel as if I'm in a time-warp here and a great big bulldozer (no pun intended) has just knocked over the only home I have. lol ) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.1.33 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
As one of the few members on this list who have personally met Mary I don't think she's capable of a bad tempered thought (but I could be wrong My strangled English has obviously given the impression that I was complaining about Mary. I wasn't. My comments were about other postings here today; sorry if they've been misinterpreted. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Clive! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 12:16 PM, you wrote: CT Sorry, Mary, I didn't read the rest of your posting ... It's okay. I'm really in a very happy mood. I'll send a PM to you, since this is getting toward being OT. And yes, we would very much enjoy reading you on tbot again. lol -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.1.33 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:26:51 +0300, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a new version announcement within a few hours. No Halloween edition this year? :-( Thanks for the hard work though. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:53:17 -0500, Mary Bull wrote: [The Beta! Testers] It's these people you should say thank you to (IMNSHO of course). So, I'm waiting for your thank-you to me. So far, all I have received is an on-line scolding. :) Are you a Beta Tester then? Sorry, I haven't noticed before. At this moment I believe there is nobody I should say thank you to. As the User-Agent headers of my TBList contributions state, I'm still camping on the relatively save grounds of version 2.xx. And as far as I'm concerned, that's where I intend on staying for the foreseeable future. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:55:41 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote: Stefan, Val and Maxim did thank the beta testers, in the past and in the current beta cycle. Yeah, sure, but that doesn't excuse them from the almost daily dumping of obviously half baked and/or hardly (not?) tested beta builds on the poor heads of their honorary testing crew. It now surely looks like RitLabs leaves all the dirty work to them. Why not show a bit of gratitude towards a small business trying to provide us with a still unsurpassed product. Unsurpassed at least for those using it. Gratitude? Thank you for providing me with a torch after leaving me on my own in the dark and cold depths of your scary Bat! cave? As far as I understand, RitLabs as a commercial enterprise (albeit a small one) needs income, not gratitude. As to perspective, are we sure it's Mary, Dennis, me and lots of others losing it, or could it be the other camp sometimes loses it? I think your loss of perspective is heartwarming (and I really mean it!). Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Arjan! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 8:29:16 PM you wrote: Gratitude? Thank you for providing me with a torch after leaving me on my own in the dark and cold depths of your scary Bat! cave? Why do you stay with TB if it doesn't meet your needs? Why do you [potentially insulting word from Germanic-Scandinavian mythology deleted] around here? As you state yourself in another message you didn't contribute to beta testing, you don't even know who has contributed (like Mary), you don't even intend to use v3 ... so, why are throwing around mud? I think your loss of perspective is heartwarming (and I really mean it!). Thanks, but no thanks, I don't want to marry you. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Any fool can make a rule - and every fool can mind it. (Henry David Thoreau) Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Krzysztof Kudlacik everyone else 13-Okt-2004 20:02, you wrote: If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a new version announcement within a few hours. NP_macro - 'now playing' does'nt work. Eighter under W2k or WninXP. Thats most likely not a TB! native macro, is it? :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 [Crash programs] fail because they are all based on the theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby a month. -- Wernher von Braun Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Arjan de Groot everyone else 13-Okt-2004 20:29, you wrote: Yeah, sure, but that doesn't excuse them from the almost daily dumping of obviously half baked and/or hardly (not?) tested beta builds on the poor heads of their honorary testing crew. It now surely looks like RitLabs leaves all the dirty work to them. Oh please, will you go troll yourself? Thanks. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 I think science works the way a tightrope walker works; by not looking at it's feet. As soon as it looks at it's feet, it realizes it is operating in midair. -- Annie Dillard Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Arjan! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 1:29 PM, you wrote: ADJIt's these people you should say thank you to (IMNSHO ADJof course). MBSo, I'm waiting for your thank-you to me. So far, all I MBhave received is an on-line scolding. :) AdG Are you a Beta Tester then? Sorry, I haven't noticed before. Did you mean that sarcastically? I am very sensitive about it, since I've only been doing it since v. 3.0. That was only because someone on tbudl challenged me to come on here and help test filters. I really didn't think that I had the computer skills to be able to contribute, among the really able people on a list where I'd been lurking for awhile. But, I did manage to locate one bug which no one else had spotted. And it was promptly fixed. I want this company to succeed. They have the best e-mail program I have ever used, and that includes Outlook Express, Eudora, Pegasus, Becky, Opera Mail, and several website accounts, since I first got Internet capability in 1998. So I will do all I can to help. If that makes me a foolish person who is wasting her time and resources, I don't care. The time is mine and the resources also, and, additionally I am having a really good time--I mean a LOT of fun--helping to solve these puzzles. AdG At this moment I believe there is nobody I should say thank you AdG to. As the User-Agent headers of my TBList contributions state, AdG I'm still camping on the relatively save grounds of version 2.xx. Well, of course until the Moderators throw you out, you are welcome to lurk and to post here. But please, when you write, please address me in tones of ordinary good manners. I enjoy the cordial relationship I seem to have with the RitLabs programmers here, and I shall go on praising and thanking them whenever I feel like it. Additionally, I offer my thanks to all my fellow beta-testers. I have already thanked Charlene Ferrara by name, individually, and offered her a :star: . Which she seemed to like and accepted, to my great delight. AdG And as far as I'm concerned, that's where I intend on staying for AdG the foreseeable future. I shall be interested to notice whether you ever change your mind. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.1.33 (Professional Edition) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Arjan, Yeah, sure, but that doesn't excuse them from the almost daily dumping of obviously half baked and/or hardly (not?) tested beta builds on the poor heads of their honorary testing crew. It now surely looks like RitLabs leaves all the dirty work to them. Please don't complain on our behalf, at least on mine. We, beta testers, are _volunteers_ for one reason or another and we (at least I) enjoy beta testing. Let us (at least me) do the complaining if and when we have to. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Krzysztof, NP_macro - 'now playing' does'nt work. Eighter under W2k or WninXP. See below my signature. I use %WINAMPTITLE though. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Winamp Playing: Fattburger - Monica (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Arjan, On 13 October 2004 at 20:29:16GMT +0200 (which was 19:29 where I live) Arjan de Groot wrote and made these points on the subject of Wrapped .33: AdG Yeah, sure, but that doesn't excuse them from the almost daily AdG dumping of obviously half baked and/or hardly (not?) tested beta AdG builds on the poor heads of their honorary testing crew. It now AdG surely looks like RitLabs leaves all the dirty work to them. Have you at least considered that if tbbeta people are doing these beta tests, it's because we want to. If I dindn't like TB!, I would immediately replace it; if I didn't like tbbeta, I would immediately unsubscribe. I really don't understand you. - -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal :flag-portugal: The BAT! 3.0.1.33 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQW2I7FPsaxtteqJVEQJzQgCg+fqQZmcbcLocrZRjpPzHYAkf7A4AoIXb fZ35B+Zhr40OgHNgAyeLLPBa =hDZo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Alexander, On 13 October 2004 at 21:34:30GMT +0200 (which was 20:34 where I live) Alexander S. Kunz wrote and made these points on the subject of Wrapped .33: ASK Oh please, will you go troll yourself? Thanks. LOL I loved that expression! - -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal :flag-portugal: The BAT! 3.0.1.33 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQW2JaFPsaxtteqJVEQKcywCg1H0qqIFSgpWMuHbk4fUSJ1IQ7swAoPJp 2E99oWbtctDODb780235Y1eT =ikAw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Krzysztof, NP_macro - 'now playing' does'nt work. Eighter under W2k or WninXP. which macro do you use? Try the 'Universal NP' by Stanislav V. Mikov - following player are supported: WinAMP, Foobar2000, Quintessential Player, 1by1, Apollo, and System Tray Player. There are no problems with TB! v3.0.x/Universal NP [23 KB] http://thebat.orgavision.de/zip/uninp.zip -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Quoting Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Arjan! On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 1:29 PM, you wrote: ADJIt's these people you should say thank you to (IMNSHO ADJof course). MBSo, I'm waiting for your thank-you to me. So far, all I MBhave received is an on-line scolding. :) AdG Are you a Beta Tester then? Sorry, I haven't noticed before. -snipped-- Most all the beta testers on this forum are customers of RitLabs, as well. When they offer opinions as to bugs or feature additions, they can't help but influence RitLabs. While, from time to time, we differ with each other, all of us, at the end of the day, are looking for one element: the improvement of one product. Under normal circumstances it's a symbiotic relationship. I surmise that someone entering this discourse, with the sole intent to denigrate the established relationship is doing so with a separate agenda, especially if they prove, by actions and testimony that they neither proffer working towards the common goal or _buying into_ ownership--and, yes, the pun is intended. The contributions on this list have been immeasurable over the past years and we've seen a change in the working relationship between beta testers and RitLabs in the recent past, due to specific constructive comments hereon. I'll say no more about this matter except to offer my respect to both the developers and testers for what they've accomplished to date. Best, Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com http://www.egseries.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Cheers Mary, Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 14:34:51, you wrote: MB Did you mean that sarcastically? I am very sensitive about it, since MB I've only been doing it since v. 3.0. That was only because someone on MB tbudl challenged me to come on here and help test filters. Ah well. Mary, please do not waste your time with trolls. You have been doing a *very* good job. Anyone who has been on the other side of the fence -- the developer's side -- knows how important feedback on product usage is. MB I really didn't think that I had the computer skills to be able to MB contribute, among the really able people on a list where I'd been MB lurking for awhile. Another thing the computer masters tend to forget is that their programs are not going to be used by other computer masters, but by normal people. You may, or may not, have what you thought you needed on computer skills, but you certainly know what you want/need/do not like in an -email client program. And THIS feedback is, in my humble view, a LOT more important than (for example) mine, a so-called computer guru :-). I am sure RL really appreciate the efforts of everybody here. As I am sure some do not, but such is life. -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 pgp5H91xS3BQ3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hendrik Oesterlin wrotes on 14/10/2004 at 00:38:44 +1100 subject Wrapped .33 : Maxim Masiutin wrotes on 13/10/2004 at 18:26:51 +1100 subject Wrapped .33 : Hello Tbbeta, We've just wrapped the .33 with the MSI: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_home.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_professional.msi If nobody will found any trouble with it, we will make a new version announcement within a few hours. Seems to work fine here. Just the Path is not correctly detected, I have to select the right one manually in custom-installation. I have also give a new try to BayesIt, seems to work fine too. While training the BayesIt-plugin (i had create a VirtFolder with 9829 eMAil in it, Ctrl+A, then mark as NON SPAM) I had the following error massage: Unknown general exception in trainthread thread. Line(important!)=0004 Then it askes me to see the bayeslog to repair bases. Unfortunately, the repair utility is not located by default in the bases-folder but in the bayesit-folder... :( One have to move it before sucessfully repair the bases... -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.0.1.33 and on Windows 2000 Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hi Miguel, on Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:57:22 +0200GMT, you wrote: NP_macro - 'now playing' does'nt work. Eighter under W2k or WninXP. M See below my signature. I use %WINAMPTITLE though. This works here too. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98, 4, 10, build , IBM Thinkpad 760XL at 133 MHz, 80 MB RAM BayesIt! 0.7.3 Winamp currently playing: Art of Noise - In Visible Silence pgpwPPbbxDyhL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:52:58 +0200, MAU wrote: Please don't complain on our behalf, at least on mine. We, beta testers, are _volunteers_ for one reason or another and we (at least I) enjoy beta testing. Let us (at least me) do the complaining if and when we have to. OK, I will keep my mouth shut and leave the complaining to you, beta tester(s). Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:10:57 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote: Gratitude? Thank you for providing me with a torch after leaving me on my own in the dark and cold depths of your scary Bat! cave? Why do you stay with TB if it doesn't meet your needs? Now where did I give you the impression TB! doesn't meet my needs? Why do you [potentially insulting word from Germanic- Scandinavian mythology deleted] around here? Why should you care? As you state yourself in another message you didn't contribute to beta testing, you don't even know who has contributed (like Mary), you don't even intend to use v3 ... You may or may not have read my contribution on TBBeta about my (failed) attempt at installing the No RC 3.01 MSI package (which needed three attempts at RitLabs to get it more or less working). That really sucked. In my opinion RitLabs could have easily avoided the problems by doing some basic testing them- selves. But instead they hastily threw out yet another faulty version which had at least 1 bug from previous beta's reoccurring. I cannot conclude otherwise than that they made an extremely sloppy job of this No RC package release. And yes, this experience has 1) annoyed me, 2) strengthened my intention to avoid version 3, at least for the time being, and 3) opened my eyes to the fact that The Beta! Testers get exactly what they deserve. so, why are throwing around mud? Your choice of words is typical for your loss of perspective. I think your loss of perspective is heartwarming (and I really mean it!). Thanks, but no thanks, I don't want to marry you. Huh!? Oh well, let me reassure you: I don't want to marry you too. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:34:51 -0500, Mary Bull wrote: Are you a Beta Tester then? Sorry, I haven't noticed before. Did you mean that sarcastically? Uhmm... I haven't decided yet. ;) I am very sensitive about it, since I've only been doing it since v. 3.0. Well, I have to confess that I don't read all messages on the Bat!Lists. Your messages seemed to have one common denominator: All is running well, no problems over here. So it looks like I missed the ones in which you reported problems and/or bugs. In other words: indeed I haven't noticed before. But now I know. I wish you success with your new job. :) Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Krzysztof, On Wednesday, October 13, 2004 you wrote: Doesn't install at all. Tried both home and pro package. During removing Okay, so apparently TB's install was trying to remove the previous version of TB, and was looking a MSI file of that older version in a folder from where I installed it previously. And since that folder and file no longer existed I has a message that the file was not found that that 3.0.1.33 MSI is a wrong one. Now I cleaned my registry from all occurrences of this path and cleaned my ARP and 3.0.1.33 installed just fine. I tend to blame RC6 MSI's for that, but we shall see that for sure when next MSI's are made. Regards, -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 [unreg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.1.33 RC/10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Arjan, Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 16:51:41, you wrote: AdG You may or may not have read my contribution on TBBeta about my AdG (failed) attempt at installing the No RC 3.01 MSI package AdG (which needed three attempts at RitLabs to get it more or less AdG working). That really sucked. In my opinion RitLabs could have AdG easily avoided the problems by doing some basic testing them- AdG selves. But instead they hastily threw out yet another faulty AdG version which had at least 1 bug from previous beta's AdG reoccurring. I cannot conclude otherwise than that they made an AdG extremely sloppy job of this No RC package release. AdG And yes, this experience has 1) annoyed me, 2) strengthened my AdG intention to avoid version 3, at least for the time being, and AdG 3) opened my eyes to the fact that The Beta! Testers get exactly AdG what they deserve. With all due respect I would like to point out some details here: 1. Microlost Installer sucks. 2. MSI installs have an uncanny ability of blowing up. 3. There many, many, different ways an install can go wrong. No developer can test them all. Not even Microlost can. 4. the (in)famous Microsoft Installer Clean Up utility was written by MS so that absolutely blotched MSOffice installs could be cleared out of the system *WITHOUT* a full format reinstall of Windows itself. 5. having more than one entry in the ARP is no big deal. I am not saying it is good, or even correct -- just saying it is no big deal. 6. No one is REQUIRED to upgrade. I myself have, many times, held on to an older release of a product because I did not like/trust/whatever the newer versions. But, eventually, one either upgrades, or leaves aside the product. and, on a personal note: 7. You came in way too strong and, what is worse, your note sounded like a personal attack -- ergo, troll. 8. finally, I am not sure the TB! beta testers got what they deserve. But, it seems, we are stuck with you :-). 9. If one does not like a feature (or absence of one) in a product, there are better ways of getting it there. Amazingly all of them usually start with being nice and providing reasons. You note lacked both. Now, for a very old saying: when you enter a city, abide by it's laws. -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 pgpxGms3ey4KO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wrapped .33
Hello Arjan, You may or may not have read my contribution on TBBeta about my (failed) attempt at installing the No RC 3.01 MSI package (which needed three attempts at RitLabs to get it more or less working). That really sucked. In my opinion RitLabs could have easily avoided the problems by doing some basic testing them- selves. But instead they hastily threw out yet another faulty version which had at least 1 bug from previous beta's reoccurring. I cannot conclude otherwise than that they made an extremely sloppy job of this No RC package release. Don't you feel quite alone in your thoughts and conclusions? And yes, this experience has 1) annoyed me, Maybe because you don't understand what this is all about. 2) strengthened my intention to avoid version 3, at least for the time being, and You simply don't understand what your are missing. And that strengthens my opinion that you don't understand what this is all about. 3) opened my eyes to the fact that The Beta! Testers get exactly what they deserve. Yes, we get the overall best e-mail package you can find out there. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Winamp Playing: Boz Scaggs - Pay Day (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT, but I couldn't resist (Was: Re: Wrapped .33)
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 01:25:07 +0200, MAU wrote: And yes, this experience has 1) annoyed me, Maybe because you don't understand what this is all about. So why don't you enlighten me and please explain to me what this is all about? 2) strengthened my intention to avoid version 3, at least for the time being, and You simply don't understand what your are missing. That's the second time you tell me I don't understand something. I am beginning to get curious. What is it I am missing? And that strengthens my opinion that you don't understand what this is all about. And this is the third time. The tension is becoming almost unbearable. But I'm sure you will put me out of my misery very soon and let my Light Of Insight shine brighter than ever before. 3) opened my eyes to the fact that The Beta! Testers get exactly what they deserve. Yes, we get the overall best e-mail package you can find out there. On the other hand I suspect it could very well be no more than just this clincher you accuse me of not understanding. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
