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[tracer]

Monday, December 13, 1999

Hello
I want to make mailboxes with sub boxes etc and do this by moving them
by mouse.
What are the consequences on filters and other things pointing to
mailboxes where they are NOW???
I presume they have to be all redone??
I like to know before I start how big the exercise/mess-up will be

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Re[5]: Filtering Parked messages

[tracer]

Monday, December 13, 1999

Hello Thomas,

Monday, Monday, December 13, 1999, you wrote:


Thomas> I don't get your meaning. Kill Dupes is a command you don't usually do
Thomas> *during* downloading, buit *after* having downloaded duplicate
Thomas> messages. And why would you read old mail if you hit "kill dupes"
Thomas> before reading?

because like this morning I I was disconnected 5 times and a lot of
mail had already been filtered into various boxes but as the stuff
isnt really deleted after download the BAT happily gets it again so
there is a second / third etc copy.
As I read some of my mail while newsgroups/mail/ftp are running its
very frustratting after all the mail finally is there to have to get
rid of dupes  in maybe 30 folders one by one.
PLUS if I start answerering the mail some I already saw  and DID
answer and I donot always remember that...
Ok, obviously the bat should really delete whats downloaded so these
damned duplicates donot get produced but getting them I like to have a
thing named called delete ALL duplicates or at least doing it on
highlighted mailboxes.
I donot mind the shift+ mousclicks to point to boxes to have
duplicates removed
If necessary(g)





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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Ali Martin]

On  Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:15:36 -0500, Paula Ford wrote:

[]
>> Paula, it was inhuman to give such a detailed instruction! I 
>> *never* expected this from _you_!

> Who me? What can I say? The devil made me do it.

ROTFL!! Hey Alex! ... relax .:)

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Re: Auto-substitution of template

[Ali Martin]

On  Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:06:31 -0500, Paula Ford wrote:

[]
>> I would think address book templates override folder templates. Is
>> this correct?

> Yes. In order of precedence - address book template for the individual;
> address book template for a group, folder template.

This is what Jack is agonizing over. I hope he gets things going in
some predictable way. :)

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Re[2]: Compressing/Purging folder window

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Paula,

on Monday, December 13, 1999, 1:20:51 PM GMT+0800, Paula Ford wrote:

>> As far as I am concerned any menu SHOULD have a cancel button.
>> Just in case one wants to stop a process the program should provide a
>> way to do that (without pressing the powerswitch on the modem!!)

PF> Normally, I agree, but cancelling out of the purging of a database can
PF> be a very tricky business.

That may be. So, how about this: when you hit the Cancel button, the
current purge will still be performed and the "cancel" effective right
after?

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Re: Compressing/Purging folder window

[Paula Ford]

On Saturday, December 11, 1999, tracer wrote:

> As far as I am concerned any menu SHOULD have a cancel button.
> Just in case one wants to stop a process the program should provide a
> way to do that (without pressing the powerswitch on the modem!!)

Normally, I agree, but cancelling out of the purging of a database can
be a very tricky business.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Paula Ford]

On Sunday, December 12, 1999, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

> Hey, guys and gals, STOP IT! Pleeaase... The bug is already 
> confirmed, calm down... Or at least test it NOT on in the TBUDL 
> folder:-)))

> Paula, it was inhuman to give such a detailed instruction! I 
> *never* expected this from _you_!

Who me? What can I say? The devil made me do it.

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Re: Auto-substitution of template

[Paula Ford]

On Sunday, December 12, 1999, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hi Jack,

> on Monday, December 13, 1999, 6:08:16 AM GMT+0800, Jack LaRosa wrote:

JL>> In retrospect, I have to question why there would be folder templates
JL>> AND address book templates anyway. Seems redundant.

> I would think address book templates override folder templates. Is
> this correct?

Yes. In order of precedence - address book template for the individual;
address book template for a group, folder template.

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Re[4]: Filtering Parked messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi tracer,

on Monday, December 13, 1999, 2:09:54 AM GMT+0800, tracer wrote:

Thomas>> Another thing is a "Kill Dupes" command not only for the active
Thomas>> folder but as a global command (kill dupes in all folders of this
Thomas>> account / in all folders of all accounts in one go). Not a bad idea,
Thomas>> but it should still kill dupes only on a per-folger basis.
t> if you mean only per box, agreed.  But if I crash off during download
t> irs damned frustrating to read old mail..

I don't get your meaning. Kill Dupes is a command you don't usually do
*during* downloading, buit *after* having downloaded duplicate
messages. And why would you read old mail if you hit "kill dupes"
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Re[2]: Auto-substitution of template

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Jack,

on Monday, December 13, 1999, 6:08:16 AM GMT+0800, Jack LaRosa wrote:

JL> In retrospect, I have to question why there would be folder templates
JL> AND address book templates anyway. Seems redundant.

I would think address book templates override folder templates. Is
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Re[2]: kill filters inquiry

[Jason Thompson]

Hello Roel and Bat Buddies,

> the '20' is 32 in hex...
> alt-32 is: 'space' :-)

Hmmm. Okay, I suppose that makes sense, but not all of this does yet.
Let me give a more complex example. I have a filter for the DALnet
mailing list, parameters as follows:

Strings:
  Dalnet|Outage - location subject - presence yes
  evilday - location sender - presence no
  screwyluie - location sender - presence no

Notice I've got two "presence no" in this one. When I drag this filter
into Kill filters, it becomes:

Detect by:
  Originator
Signal Strings:
  20Dalnet|Outage
  01evilday
  01ScReWyLuiE

Is 01 a "not" parameter for kill filters?

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Re[2]: Upgrade 1.35 --------> 1.36

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Hal,

on Monday, December 13, 1999, 8:32:51 AM GMT+0800, Hal wrote:

H> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.38e) S/N 17703E4C

TF>> Surprises me honestly. You sure you didn't have a typo, or mixed up
TF>> caps and lower-case?

H> After the second attempt (i.e. from the third on) I made sure and even had my wife
H> help. It was entered exactly as it appeared on the email registration which I 
printed
H> out but never saved.

You seem to have managed registration after all. ;-)

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Re[2]: Have you noticed?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Ali,

on Monday, December 13, 1999, 7:36:28 AM GMT+0800, Ali Martin wrote:

>  [ Adhere to Schweinheitsgebot.
>  Don't put anything in your beer that a pig wouldn't eat - David Geary ]

In my transportation business, I have a lot to do with German beer to
the Far East. Quality is always an issue. This cookie made me LOL -
literally!

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Re: Upgrade 1.35 --------> 1.36

[Hal]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, December 09, 1999, 10:09:28 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hi Hal,

TF> on Friday, December 10, 1999, 9:42:25 AM GMT+0800, Hal wrote:

H>> Registration code is rejected as not authentic.  I just happened to be lucky and 
had
H>> two computers to play with.  When I bought this one (my wife got the hand-me-down)
H>> and installed The Bat for the first time, the registration (typed from the 
keyboard)
H>> was rejected and I had to go to the old computer and cut & paste to a floppy.

TF> Surprises me honestly. You sure you didn't have a typo, or mixed up
TF> caps and lower-case?


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help. It was entered exactly as it appeared on the email registration which I printed
out but never saved.

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 12 Dec 99, at 19:47, Hal wrote
about "Re: The Bat! - bug report":


Hey, guys and gals, STOP IT! Pleeaase... The bug is already 
confirmed, calm down... Or at least test it NOT on in the TBUDL 
folder:-)))

Paula, it was inhuman to give such a detailed instruction! I 
*never* expected this from _you_!

> Hello Paula,
> 
> Saturday, December 11, 1999, 2:45:25 PM, you wrote:
> 
> PF> On Saturday, December 11, 1999, Ali Martin wrote:
> 
> >> Can't duplicate the problem here Paula.
> 
> PF> Try this. From the messages list in the main window, highlight a
> PF> message, press and hold the CTRL key, then press and _hold_ the ENTER
> PF> key. I just managed to generate 7 replies to your messages that showed
> PF> up in the Outbox before a reply window appeared. The interface flashes
> PF> some and the icons disappear from the tool bars while this is going on.
> PF> I think I've got the latest version of 1.38 now, too. I don't believe it
> PF> happened before this version. I'm interested in whether or not anyone
> PF> can get TB to behave this way, as I use an old keyboard and am wondering
> PF> if the problem could be related to that. I'm also on the old Win95a.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Hal]

Hello Paula,

Saturday, December 11, 1999, 2:45:25 PM, you wrote:

PF> On Saturday, December 11, 1999, Ali Martin wrote:

>> Can't duplicate the problem here Paula.

PF> Try this. From the messages list in the main window, highlight a
PF> message, press and hold the CTRL key, then press and _hold_ the ENTER
PF> key. I just managed to generate 7 replies to your messages that showed
PF> up in the Outbox before a reply window appeared. The interface flashes
PF> some and the icons disappear from the tool bars while this is going on.
PF> I think I've got the latest version of 1.38 now, too. I don't believe it
PF> happened before this version. I'm interested in whether or not anyone
PF> can get TB to behave this way, as I use an old keyboard and am wondering
PF> if the problem could be related to that. I'm also on the old Win95a.




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Re: Auto-substitution of template

[Ali Martin]

On  Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:08:16 -0600, Jack LaRosa wrote:

[]
> Alas, this didn't work. Not only did I deselect the 'use a specific
> template for new messages' option, I even erased the entire address
> book 'new message' template for that recipient. It still showed up if
> that folder was highlighted and I clicked on some other 'favorite'.

But it will. Each favorite has it's own template set. The other
favorite you selected most likely has it's own specific templates
active.

> I know, I know, that's impossible but it happened and I was simply
> disgusted to the point I didn't want to fool with it anymore. I
> erased the folder templates and settled on using the address book
> templates instead. If ya can't beat'um etc, etc.

If you understand what's happening, then it won't be so frustrating.
You seem to have created templates for a number of your address book
recipients and there's a tug-of-war going on when you create messages
to these recipients via folders rather than the address book. If you
wish to discuss it some more privately, I'm willing to go at it with
you. :)

> In retrospect, I have to question why there would be folder templates
> AND address book templates anyway. Seems redundant.

Folder templates will work with any message which resides in that
folder or any message created with that folder in focus. Address book
templates may be made specific to each *entry* in the address book or
specific to each designated address groups. Hardly a redundant setup
but instead provides increased flexibility. The possibilities are
pretty amazing. :)

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Re: Auto-substitution of template

[Ali Martin]

On  Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:08:16 -0600, Jack LaRosa wrote:

> Alas, this didn't work. Not only did I deselect the 'use a specific
> template for new messages' option, I even erased the entire address
> book 'new message' template for that recipient. It still showed up if
> that folder was highlighted and I clicked on some other 'favorite'. I
> know, I know, that's impossible but it happened and I was simply
> disgusted to the point I didn't want to fool with it anymore. I erased
> the folder templates and settled on using the address book templates
> instead. If ya can't beat'um etc, etc.

> In retrospect, I have to question why there would be folder templates
> AND address book templates anyway. Seems redundant.

Folde

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Re: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!

[Ali Martin]

On  Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:51:18 +0200, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

[]
AM>>   You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own.

> Actually, you will :-)  In fact, if will be possible to create your
> absolutely own functions.

Goody, goody. :) That's like a macro creation facility. I've been
using 'AIM keys' to do some things like change alt+ up/down to single
key functions, CTRL+Up/Down to the U and D, etc, but it operates less
than perfectly. I'll welcome this intrinsic customization support.

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Re: Have you noticed?

[Ali Martin]

On  Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:27:01 -0500, Sashka wrote:

CJT>>  Have  you  ever  pressed alt+(up/down) arrow while editing mail? Nice
CJT>>  feature -- I discovered it just a second ago :-)
> yeah. cool. nothing happening ;)

Those keyboard shortcuts provide a cursor independent scroll function.
If all the message text can be seen in the editor window then there's
nothing to scroll to and it will not work.

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Re: Auto-substitution of template

[Jack LaRosa]

Hi Ali

Sunday, December 05, 1999, you wrote to the list:

--snip--
--snip--
AM> IMHO, each folder should have a toggle switch to suppress address book
AM> specific templates. This should prevent your problem. Otherwise simply
AM> go into the addressee's address book entry properties and deselect the
AM> 'use a specific template for new messages' option, whenever you wish
AM> to use the folder templates and not the address book templates.

Alas, this didn't work. Not only did I deselect the 'use a specific
template for new messages' option, I even erased the entire address
book 'new message' template for that recipient. It still showed up if
that folder was highlighted and I clicked on some other 'favorite'. I
know, I know, that's impossible but it happened and I was simply
disgusted to the point I didn't want to fool with it anymore. I erased
the folder templates and settled on using the address book templates
instead. If ya can't beat'um etc, etc.

In retrospect, I have to question why there would be folder templates
AND address book templates anyway. Seems redundant.

Anyway, thanks for the help.

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Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report

[Jast]

Morning Paula Ford,

> Thanks for confirming this behavior. ;)

 You're welcome :-)
 I didn't mean to send, but before I knew it, it dialed in and sheesh
 knows how many messages were sent (bleargh)

 Yes, obviously. A bug.


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Re[3]: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!

[Stanislav Polozov]

Dear Stefan,

  Íå ñïèööà?
  :)

On Monday, December 13, 1999, you wrote:

ST> Hello Ali, 

AM>>   You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own.

ST> Actually, you will :-)  In fact, if will be possible to create your
ST> absolutely own functions.

AM>> There is no keyboard shortcut provided for printing messages via
AM>> the main window. You have to use the menu. However, in folder
AM>> view, the shortcut CTRL+P is implemented and works.

ST> I'm very sorry - it's my fault. I'm just keeping forgetting about this
ST> little (but actually useful) addition. It is now in my to-do list :-)



ST> Regards,
ST>  Stefan 

ST> ..."Goodness is the only investment that never fails." - Henry David Thoreau


 

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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Paula Ford]

On Sunday, December 12, 1999, Jast wrote:

> Morning Paula Ford,

Good evening, Jast,

Thanks for confirming this behavior. ;)

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Re[2]: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello Ali, 

AM>   You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own.

Actually, you will :-)  In fact, if will be possible to create your
absolutely own functions.

AM> There is no keyboard shortcut provided for printing messages via
AM> the main window. You have to use the menu. However, in folder
AM> view, the shortcut CTRL+P is implemented and works.

I'm very sorry - it's my fault. I'm just keeping forgetting about this
little (but actually useful) addition. It is now in my to-do list :-)



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Re: Have you noticed?

[Sashka]

Hello Christopher,

CJT>  Have  you  ever  pressed alt+(up/down) arrow while editing mail? Nice
CJT>  feature -- I discovered it just a second ago :-)
yeah. cool. nothing happening ;)


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Have you noticed?

[Christopher J. Trybowski]

Hello everybody,

 Have  you  ever  pressed alt+(up/down) arrow while editing mail? Nice
 feature -- I discovered it just a second ago :-)

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Re[4]: Default column properties

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

On 12 December 1999 at 19:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list:

T>> Is  there  a  way  that  I  can  just  enter the group name in the
T>> "Forward  to"  section instead of pasting all of the addresses? If
T>> so,  does  it  have  to  be  formatted  a certain way for it to be
T>> recognized as a group?

MDP> Not  from  a  filter  according to my experimentation. The only way of
MDP> *forwarding* to a group is specify the group name manually

Sorry  - it only *appeared* not to work, but using "Group name "
(without  the  quotes)  *does*  work correctly for filtering (as I see
Jast has just recommended).

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Re[3]: Default column properties

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

On 12 December 1999 at 14:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list:

T> Is there a way that I can just enter the group name in the "Forward
T> to" section instead of pasting all of the addresses? If so, does it
T> have to be formatted a certain way for it to be recognized as a
T> group?

Not  from  a  filter  according to my experimentation. The only way of
*forwarding* to a group is specify the group name manually

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Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report

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Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report

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Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report

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Re[2]: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!

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AM>   You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own.

That depends on how the shortcut-settings will be made:
if they do it like MsOffice: you can 'create' a shortcut:
they just give you a list of all possible actions you can do & you can
assign a key to it if you want...

that would be more user-friendly:
everybody can make use of the keyboard as they see fit...

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Re[2]: SOT: E-mailaholics - was Re: Check out the Christmas Bat!

[tracer]

Monday, December 13, 1999

Hello Leif,

Sunday, Sunday, December 12, 1999, you wrote:

Leif> Paula,

Leif> On Saturday, December 11, 1999, at 11:48 you wrote:
>>> However, unlike other *aholics Anonymous groups, we don't want to
>>> be cured... 

PF>> We don't??? Maybe some of us do.

Leif> Well, at least those in *our* E-mailaholics group don't want to be
Leif> cured.

PF>> If you don't want to be cured, what is the objective of your 12
PF>> steps? 12 steps to yet more and more e-mail?

Leif> No, not twelve steps, It's the five levels of EMness.



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Re[3]: Filtering Parked messages

[tracer]

Monday, December 13, 1999

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, Sunday, December 12, 1999, you wrote:

Thomas> Hallo Ali,

Thomas> On Sunday, December 12, 1999, 5:59:22 PM (GMT+0800), Ali Martin wrote:

>>> Secondly, I want to be able to removed dupes over all my
>>> accounts/boxes in one go

AM>> That's another thing that makes that problem even more irritating.
AM>> Duplicate messages that are parked will not be deleted by the 'kill
AM>> dupes utility. You have to unpark the duplicates and then go.

Thomas> Parked message cannot be deleted, not even automatically during "Kill
Thomas> Dupes" for consistency (I would think).

Thomas> Another thing is a "Kill Dupes" command not only for the active
Thomas> folder but as a global command (kill dupes in all folders of this
Thomas> account / in all folders of all accounts in one go). Not a bad idea,
Thomas> but it should still kill dupes only on a per-folger basis.
if you mean only per box, agreed.  But if I crash off during download
irs damned frustrating to read old mail..




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Re: kill filters inquiry

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Re[3]: Default column properties

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Hello Travisimo!,

T> Is there a way that I can just enter the group name in the "Forward
T> to" section instead of pasting all of the addresses? If so, does it
T> have to be formatted a certain way for it to be recognized as a group?

use "groupname "
that should do the trick :-)

(groupname is the 'handle' you gave the group in the adress-book)
  (^-> distinctive name)

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Re[2]: Filtering Parked messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Ali,

On Monday, December 13, 1999, 12:12:47 AM (GMT+0800), Ali Martin wrote:


>> Parked message cannot be deleted, not even automatically during "Kill
>> Dupes" for consistency (I would think).

AM> In the spirit of consistency and to help deal with the problem of
AM> parked messages being repeatedly copied, during a manual filter
AM> operations, from the target folder to the destination folder, one
AM> would think that if you run the 'kill dupes' routine, a popup message
AM> would appear asking:

AM> Do you wish to erase duplicated parked messages as well?

You have a point.

AM> :)) Of course, this query should only appear as needed as with the
AM> implemented one for moving parked messages, in that, if there are no
AM> duplicated parked messages detected then the popup message doesn't
AM> appear.

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Re: Filtering Parked messages

[Ali Martin]

  
On  Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:15:28 +0800
 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Parked message cannot be deleted, not even automatically during "Kill
> Dupes" for consistency (I would think).

Well, if I drag and drop a parked message to another folder, a popup
message appears asking for a yes or no.

Do you want to move parked messages as well?

In the spirit of consistency and to help deal with the problem of
parked messages being repeatedly copied, during a manual filter
operations, from the target folder to the destination folder, one
would think that if you run the 'kill dupes' routine, a popup message
would appear asking:

Do you wish to erase duplicated parked messages as well?

:)) Of course, this query should only appear as needed as with the
implemented one for moving parked messages, in that, if there are no
duplicated parked messages detected then the popup message doesn't
appear.

> Another thing is a "Kill Dupes" command not only for the active
> folder but as a global command (kill dupes in all folders of this
> account / in all folders of all accounts in one go). Not a bad idea,
> but it should still kill dupes only on a per-folger basis.

Agreed.

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Re: SOT: E-mailaholics

[Angel]

LG>> Well, at least those in *our* E-mailaholics group don't want to be
LG>> cured.

How does one go about joining ?

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Re[2]: more info about my problem with mail

[Adam Golebiowski]

Welcome,
Christopher wrote:

CJT> The  only  solution  I  can  think of: export all your folders to unix
CJT> mailboxes,  create  new  account,
CJT> (...)
CJT> should  work...  For  further info about account.* files see one of my
CJT> previous posts to the list...

hmm, I`ve just realized that it's something with bad files, I just
noticed a bad.tmp file in my account/inbox directory. I know that
there exist a program called mbrepair.exe, but when I run it, it
repairs broken message base. But when I try to import it as a unix
mailbox, whole msb is being improtes as a single letter, and after few
minutes it stops with error: "Out of memory". When I look at that,
what was imported it has size of about few hundred kB, and looks like:
> message headers
> body
> some sign
> 2-nd letter message header
> 2-nd letter bodt
> some sign
> ...

I tried it on earlier version, it looked the same... what`s going on?

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Re[2]: SOT: E-mailaholics

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Leif,

On Sunday, December 12, 1999, 5:52:13 PM (GMT+0800), Leif Gregory wrote:

>>> However, unlike other *aholics Anonymous groups, we don't want to
>>> be cured... 

PF>> We don't??? Maybe some of us do.

LG> Well, at least those in *our* E-mailaholics group don't want to be
LG> cured.

I just had a look at Alcoholics Anonymous website. They are  a bunch
of serious people helping other people with a serious problem. I have
also learned a bundle about AA and think they are doing a good thing.

The willingness to be cured is one of the basic requirements, and we
are quite different - I think we shouldn't be using a variation of
their name. Instead, I propose E-mailaholics International. It also
conveys that our addiction knows no borders .

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Re[2]: Filtering Parked messages

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Ali,

On Sunday, December 12, 1999, 5:59:22 PM (GMT+0800), Ali Martin wrote:

>> Secondly, I want to be able to removed dupes over all my
>> accounts/boxes in one go

AM> That's another thing that makes that problem even more irritating.
AM> Duplicate messages that are parked will not be deleted by the 'kill
AM> dupes utility. You have to unpark the duplicates and then go.

Parked message cannot be deleted, not even automatically during "Kill
Dupes" for consistency (I would think).

Another thing is a "Kill Dupes" command not only for the active
folder but as a global command (kill dupes in all folders of this
account / in all folders of all accounts in one go). Not a bad idea,
but it should still kill dupes only on a per-folger basis.

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Re[2]: Default column properties

[Travisimo!]

Sunday, December 12, 1999, 2:06:42 AM, you wrote:
MDP> Go  into  any  folder nominated to use the default column settings and
MDP> change the width / sort order / layout as required. These changes will
MDP> be applied to all folders in the account which have this option set.
MDP> HTH
MDP> Cheers,
MDP> Marck

Thanks much!  If you don't mind, I have yet another quick question...
I have an incoming filter setup that will automatically forward an
email to a bunch of people in a group.  So in the Action tab, I have
the "Forward to" box checked and then I clicked on the address book to
paste addresses.  However, it seems like I have to use the arrow to
copy all the addresses from my group over to the TO: section.  It
works fine, but then if I add someone to the group, I have to open the
incoming filter again, erase the addresses and then paste them again
from the address book.

Is there a way that I can just enter the group name in the "Forward
to" section instead of pasting all of the addresses? If so, does it
have to be formatted a certain way for it to be recognized as a group?

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Re: SOT: E-mailaholics - was Re: Check out the Christmas Bat!

[Leif Gregory]

Paula,

On Saturday, December 11, 1999, at 11:48 you wrote:
>> However, unlike other *aholics Anonymous groups, we don't want to
>> be cured... 

PF> We don't??? Maybe some of us do.

Well, at least those in *our* E-mailaholics group don't want to be
cured.

PF> If you don't want to be cured, what is the objective of your 12
PF> steps? 12 steps to yet more and more e-mail?

No, not twelve steps, It's the five levels of EMness.



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Re[2]: Filtering Parked messages

[tracer]

Sunday, December 12, 1999

Hello tracer,

Sunday, Sunday, December 12, 1999, you wrote:

tracer> Sunday, December 12, 1999

tracer> Hello Ali,

tracer> Sunday, Sunday, December 12, 1999, you wrote:

Ali>> Hi all,
 
Ali>>  I've noted something curious. If you apply filters to a folder and a
Ali>>  parked message meets the filtering criteria. The parked message is
Ali>>  copied to the destination folder and then parked. The original parked
Ali>>  message remains in the target folder. If you apply the filter again,
Ali>>  the parked message gets copied again and so on.

Ali>>  I realized this when trying to figure out why ten copies of a number
Ali>>  of parked messages were in a particular folder. I have been applying
Ali>>  manual filters to a folder containing a few parked messages and
Ali>>  copies are being sent to the destination folder each time I apply the
Ali>>  filters.

Ali>>  This seems to be a bug to me.
 

tracer> Agreed, I found that as well over the last few months.
tracer> if its a feature, I donot like it.
tracer> Secondly, I want to be able to removed dupes over all my
tracer> accounts/boxes in one go
I think I better clarify this.
1. I think its a feature, reason being that one tries to move a parked
message. BUT it results in multiple copies if filters are applied
manually, especially if its done several times.
2. Removing duplicated messages over all my accounts/folders in one
go: per folder only obviously. I donot want it to zap duplicates in
different folders as they may be there for a reason. But I WOULD like
all my duplicates PER folder to be removed in all folders to be
removed in one go

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Re[2]: Ctrl+P for Printing, please!

[Przemyslaw Adam Smiejek]

Witaj Paula,


>>   You'll be able to configure shortcuts, not create your own.
> I don't understand. Could you explain?

If there is no shortcut for something, you can't set own.
You'll   be  able  to  configure -> You'll be able to change
existing   shortcuts   (e.g.  Ctrl+M  ->  Ctrl+K),  but  not
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Recieving messages

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello,

  I am running The Bat! version 1.38e, and I noticed that if I open
  Netscape Communicator v.4.5 before The Bat!, then the Bat doesn't
  log off my mail server.  What this means is that I download all my
  messages, then the Bat is supposed to erase them from the server.
  But instead, it says it has deleted them, however, when I check my
  mail anytime later, then I get the same messages downloading again.
   Normally everything works fine, but the only change in the system I
   can think of is that whenever this occurs, Netscape was always
   started BEFORE the BAT, and the two were running simultaneously.
   If I open the BAT then Netscape everything works fine.  Is this a
   bug that others are noticing too?  I'm running Win98.

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Re[2]: TBUDL@THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Andrew K. Lovetski,

On Samstag, 11. Dezember 1999 at 19:29:02 you wrote:

AKL> Hello, The Bat Users!

AKL> What do these messages mean? I keep getting them from time to time...

I  still  get  them,  although  someone mentioned the problem had been
fixed...

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Re[4]: SOT Linux port?

[Paul]

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, December 12, 1999, 1:57:18 AM, you wrote:

TF> Hallo tracer,

TF> On Saturday, December 11, 1999, 7:24:39 PM (GMT+0800), tracer wrote:

Paula>>> Judging by the response to VA Linux going public, RIT Labs should drop
Paula>>> everything to develop a Linux version (new name - The Penguin!). Then, a
Paula>>> few of us long-time, loyal users find a way to get it incorporated in
Paula>>> the USA, roll out an IPO, and all get rich overnight. No need to have
Paula>>> any prospects for making a profit.

t>> You might be surprised as considering the clammering on the various
t>> beta Linux groups about a decent email program, a good one IS sellable

t>> probably not if its sold from Russia out though

TF> Why is that? And, by the way, Ritlabs is based in Moldava .


I will second the need of a Linux port for the Bat! If we had a good
port to Linux, I would not have much need to be working in NT.

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Re: Filtering Parked messages

[Ali Martin]

   tracer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[]
Ali>>  I realized this when trying to figure out why ten copies of a number
Ali>>  of parked messages were in a particular folder. I have been applying
Ali>>  manual filters to a folder containing a few parked messages and
Ali>>  copies are being sent to the destination folder each time I apply the
Ali>>  filters.

Ali>>  This seems to be a bug to me.
 

> Agreed, I found that as well over the last few months.
> if its a feature, I donot like it.
> Secondly, I want to be able to removed dupes over all my
> accounts/boxes in one go

That's another thing that makes that problem even more irritating.
Duplicate messages that are parked will not be deleted by the 'kill
dupes utility. You have to unpark the duplicates and then go.

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Re: TBUDL@THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list

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Re: SOT Linux port?

[Mark Aston]

Hi Stanislav,

Saturday, December 11, 1999, 6:36:27 PM, you wrote:

SP>Well, but Delphi compiler for Linux is not released yet.

You  are right of course, I'm just impatient :-) We will have to wait,
unless RIT can make a new TB from scratch.

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Re: SOT Linux port?

[Mark Aston]

Hi Paula,

Saturday, December 11, 1999, 8:54:50 PM, you wrote:

PF> But, are any of these Linux users willing to pay for an application?

Yes, I think there would be , I for one would pay for a decent e-mail
app which works under Linux. There are a lot of new Linux users who
boot straight into the GUI and cannot cope with Sendmail/Fetchmail ,
they  would  be the ideal market for a Linux TB! Now Corel and Caldera
are  targeting  the  desktop  market  it  would  be  the ideal time to
establish a quality, easy to set up application.

>>  The  Penguin! hmmm not sure about that, but at least there are plenty
>>  of ready made logos I suppose.

PF> Lame little joke. :) But, when you go public, it helps to have
PF> reference to Linux somewhere in the company name - for the moment
PF> anyway.

Agreed, and something a bit more friendly than the usual recursive
acronyms.



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Re[3]: Just an interesting problem:-) and a pair of wishlist items.

[tracer]

Sunday, December 12, 1999

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, Sunday, December 12, 1999, you wrote:

Thomas> Hallo Paula,

Thomas> On Sunday, December 12, 1999, 9:21:50 AM (GMT+0800), Paula Ford wrote:

PF>> On Saturday, December 11, 1999, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

 > 2. Implement the possibility to define new templates based on 
 > the existing ones, please!
 
 I don't think I understand this one...

>>> Wow, Paula, that was clearly a typo on my part. Actually I ment 
>>> "macroses".

PF>> Ah, OK. Yes, that would be cool. To me, the macros are misnamed anyway.
PF>> They are more 'variables' that can be used in templates. Macro usually
PF>> refers to a bit of user-defined scripting, at least in all the software
PF>> I've ever used. What you are asking for is more along the lines of
PF>> having some scripting or macroing capability, which would indeed be
PF>> nice.  At a minimum, I wouldn't think it would too hard to allow users
PF>> to define their own variables.

Thomas> I thinnk it would be a good idea if we could define some additional
Thomas> variables. (I prefer that term over "macroes" as well.) :-)

Agreed


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Re: Default column properties

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

On 12 December 1999 at 06:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list:

T> When I right click on a folder and select "Properties", there is an
T> option called "Use the account default column settings".

T> My question is:  how do I change the account default column settings?

Go  into  any  folder nominated to use the default column settings and
change the width / sort order / layout as required. These changes will
be applied to all folders in the account which have this option set.

HTH

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