Re: Missing folder

[Ming-Li]

On Thursday, November 02, 2000, 11:30:27 PM, ztrader wrote:

> Hey - that's nice! Just tried it. But that does not seem to be the
> problem in that folder. Even tried a restart of TB, and it still
> has only a few msgs. I can see much more looking at the file
> directly with an editor. They're there, just not showing up in TB.

There're a few other things you may try before re-creating the index
file (.tbi) per Januk's instruction:

1. Go to the folder, and check deleted messages (from the menu
"Folder | Browse deleted messages"). If they're there, they were
accidentally deleted. You may move all or some of them back by using
drag-n-drop.

2. Do a global search for a message that you're sure to be in that
folder, and see if it turns up elsewhere. They might have been moved
accidentally.

The re-indexing trick as Januk suggested is quick and effective, but
please be reminded it has a couple of side effects:

1. All messages you intentionally deleted or moved to other folders
*after* you last compress the folder would re-emerge. It's because
TB physically removes deleted messages only when compressing a
folder (that's why you may undelete even if they're gone from the
trash folder). Before that, TB marks a message as deleted in the
index file, and such marking would be lost when the index is
re-created.

2. All other message annotations kept in the index file would be
gone, too. That include most of the attributes you can see in the
message list (read/unread, replied, parked, etc.) and memos (yes,
memos are kept in the index).

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Re: AB group

[Gerd Ewald]

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Hello Jan Rifkinson !


On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:03:36 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was 02.11.2000, 21:03 (GMT+0100) where I live, you wrote:

>  I   was   trying   to  set up a test group, i.e. give a
>  group  a  name  & enter some email addresses for people
>  who  have  the  same thing in common. Then create a new
>  msg  &  address it to the list name. I tried this & TB!
>  wouldn't send the msg. What am I don't wrong here?

Mmmh, I remember that I had the same problem. It wasn't TB, my ISP was the
culprit: the message that came back was "No valid email address" (that's what
was written in the log field).

May be it was TB not resolving the group adress into several email adresses
while transferring the msg?!

Have a look at the log field at the bottom of your TB: Did TB try to transfer
the data and your ISP refused to send?

If so, is anybody out there knowing what Jan and I are doing wrong?

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Re[2]: Missing folder

[ztrader]

On Thursday, November 02, 2000, 11:39:30 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> Close down TB and rename the .tbi file of the offending folder.
JA> This should recreate the index, and hopefully your messages will
JA> come back to life.

I tried that earlier (saving a copy of the original file, too) but it
did not seem to help.

Thanks,

ztrader

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Re[2]: Missing folder

[ztrader]

On Friday, November 03, 2000, 5:36:24 AM, Ming-Li wrote:

ML> 1. Go to the folder, and check deleted messages (from the menu
ML> "Folder | Browse deleted messages"). If they're there, they were
ML> accidentally deleted. You may move all or some of them back by
ML> using drag-n-drop.

I tried this, but only the 'new' messages appear to be in the folder.

ML> 2. Do a global search for a message that you're sure to be in that
ML> folder, and see if it turns up elsewhere. They might have been moved
ML> accidentally.

Tried that, but did not find any errant messages.

ML> The re-indexing trick as Januk suggested is quick and effective, but
ML> please be reminded it has a couple of side effects:

I appreciate that there might be some things that will happen, but at
this point, I'd just like to get the messages back.

Thanks much,

ztrader

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Re: Missing folder

[Nick Andriash]

On November 3, 2000, at 8:28:39 PM, ztrader Wrote:

z> I seem to have lost a folder. It had about 100 messages. I read it an
z> hour or so ago. Just did an alt-f2 to get all mail and was reading
z> through the various folders, and this folder was listed as having only
z> one message that just came in!

Did you actually lose sight of this Folder... did it actually disappear?
>From your initial message, it seems that you haven't actually lost the
folder, but rather the messages within it, correct?

Then I would have to agree with what has already been said... that it
quite possibly is a viewing problem. I don't know if views can set on a
per folder basis, but highlight the folder, then check View/Display and
see if "All messages" is checked.

If the messages were inadvertently deleted, then Ming-Li's suggestion of
Folder/Browse deleted messages should work.


Nick


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Re: Missing folder

[Ming-Li]

On Friday, November 03, 2000, 8:45:10 AM, ztrader wrote:

JA>> Close down TB and rename the .tbi file of the offending folder.
JA>> This should recreate the index, and hopefully your messages
JA>> will come back to life.

> I tried that earlier (saving a copy of the original file, too) but it
> did not seem to help.

I'm out of tricks and out of wits. :(

I suspect the .tbb file is itself corrupt, if it's true that you can
see those disappeared messages with an editor and deleting the .tbi
doesn't work. (Please do try again, just to make sure.)

Please backup both the .tbi and .tbb files, and try to compress the
folder. If the .tbb file is corrupt, there should be some sort of
error message when compressing it.

Or, please turn on the Size column in the message list pane if it's
not one. Check if any message is unusually big. I once had one
corrupt message and many other messages were mistakenly treated as
part of that message. It happened when I imported my old mail from
OE to TB, and it was corrupt in OE. That never happens again.

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Re[2]: Missing folder

[ztrader]

On Friday, November 03, 2000, 10:42:30 AM, Ming-Li wrote:

ML> I'm out of tricks and out of wits. :(

I know the feeling.

ML> Please backup both the .tbi and .tbb files, and try to compress
ML> the folder. If the .tbb file is corrupt, there should be some sort
ML> of error message when compressing it.

I did try this too. No error, and the file compresses down to a small
file size with only the viewable messages. It really seems that
somehow all the messages were marked for deletion. Is there a keyboard
shortcut to do this? Perhaps I hit the wrong keys at the wrong time
and didn't know it.

ML> Or, please turn on the Size column in the message list pane if it's
ML> not one. Check if any message is unusually big. I once had one
ML> corrupt message and many other messages were mistakenly treated as
ML> part of that message. It happened when I imported my old mail from
ML> OE to TB, and it was corrupt in OE. That never happens again.

I can't do this, as the messages are "not there".

ztrader

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Rebuild Msg index

[David Tod Sigafoos]

A routine this morning reset my clock/calendar to 2001.  Now although
I greatly enjoy the writings of Clarke I find this puts a crimp in
following 'when received'.

I have edited the message.tbb file and changed all instance of 2001
but I have been unable to get the index file to rebuild.

I have tried deleting (as I read some time past on this list) the .tbi
file but then all folders after this one simply had ?

1) how can I get this rebuilt or will i have to live ahead of everyone
2) is there a better way to take care of this type of problem in the
future (of course not having your clock/calendar go oogy is probably
best.

Thanks in advance ..

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Re: Rebuild Msg index

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi David,

On 03 November 2000 at 12:59:45 GMT -0800 (which was 20:59 where I
live) David Tod Sigafoos wrote and made these points:

DTS> 1) how can I get this rebuilt or will i have to live ahead of everyone

Usually just clicking into a folder with a '?' instead of a count will
make it re-index.

DTS> 2) is there a better way to take care of this type of problem in
DTS> the future (of course not having your clock/calendar go oogy is
DTS> probably best.

While that is true , export the folder contents to Unix format,
edit that as plain text and re-import it. That usually works quite
well, especially in more recent versions since the import procedure
became capable of setting the received stamp from the data.

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Re[3]: Missing folder

[ztrader]

On Friday, November 03, 2000, 12:24:46 PM, ztrader wrote:

z> On Friday, November 03, 2000, 10:42:30 AM, Ming-Li wrote:

ML>> I'm out of tricks and out of wits. :(

z> I know the feeling.

I had an idea and tried it. The message file looks almost like a unix
format file, so I tried editing it to make it look like a unix file. I
removed the initial binary header which is long, and the later headers
which are smaller and all the same size. I added a fake From line at
the top of each message to conform to the unix format, and it DID
import successfully! I now am able to see ALL the messages again! They
don't have the index info to go with them, but at least I can see
them. I still don't know what might have happened to make them
'invisible' even though they were in the file. A rather brute force
'undelete', but it did work :-).

Thanks to all for your help,

ztrader

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Re[2]: AB group

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hi Östen,

  On  Thursday,  November 02, 2000 @ 00:28:16 +0100,
  you wrote the following about "AB group"


Östen> [...]  I think you will have to use the group handle,
Östen> not  the  name,  followed by the word . If your
Östen> group's  handle  is  "test"  then  write: test 
Östen> [...]

  Thanks  for  this suggestion but it didn't seem to
  work for me.

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Re[4]: AB group

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hi Cricket,

  On  Wednesday, November 01, 2000 @ 23:02:00 -0500,
  you  wrote  the  following  about  "AB  group"  in
  response to my question:

JR>> If  I  enter  a group will TB! actually send the msg to
JR>> the group members?

Cricket> Oh Boy! Another chance to use that most powerful of
Cricket> technical phrases: YES.

  Well,  this  is still escaping me. Would you be so
  kind  as to tell me exactly how you set up a group
  & how you address an email to that "group".

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Re[2]: AB group

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hi Gerd,

  On Friday, November 03, 2000 @ 15:28:45 +0100, you
  wrote the following about "AB group"


Gerd> [...]  the  message that came back was "No valid email
Gerd> address"[...] May be it was TB not resolving the group
Gerd> adress  into several email adresses while transferring
Gerd> the msg?! [...] Have a look at the log field

  user log reported "user unknown"

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Re[2]: A Question about Distribution Lists

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hi Marck,

In looking thru FAQ I found the following msg.

From: Marck D. Pearlstone
Subject: Re: Addressbook
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:38:07 -0700

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[...] TB only uses multiple addresses in the address book by
addressing  a  message  to  *all*  addresses  listed, either
directly  of  in  BCC.  It  is  more  appropriate  in the TB
universe to have a separate AB entry for each address [...]

  I'm  trying to resolve a question that I've posted
  under the subject "AB group".

  I  create  an AB group of people.

  I address an email to the group.

  Can  TB!  parse  the  name  of the group into the
  individual address within the group?

  If  so,  what  is  the  proper  way to address the
  group? I have not been successful with this.

  As an experiment, I created the following:

  Group = Jan Rifkinson
  handle = janrif

  Within the group:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  If  I  want to address an email to the group, what
  do  I do?  I don't seem to be the only person with
  this problem.

  Thanks.

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Re: A Question about Distribution Lists

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Jan,

On 03 November 2000 at 18:16:39 GMT -0500 (which was 23:16 where I
live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points:

JR> [...] TB only uses multiple addresses in the address book by
JR> addressing  a  message  to  *all*  addresses  listed, either
JR> directly  of  in  BCC.  It  is  more  appropriate  in the TB
JR> universe to have a separate AB entry for each address [...]

JR> I'm trying to resolve a question that I've posted under the
JR> subject "AB group".

Yes, I've been following the thread but have not much to add to what
has been said.

JR> I create an AB group of people.

I just did the same. The group was called "Tester" and had the handle
"test". It contained 3 members (myself and my partners, all local to
the LAN here, but that is immaterial).

JR> I address an email to the group.

I did that. The "To:" appeared as "test ".

JR> Can TB! parse the name of the group into the individual address
JR> within the group?

Although it appears not to have done so, it does it perfectly well.

JR> If so, what is the proper way to address the group? I have not
JR> been successful with this.

The proper way is to address the mail as being to "GroupHandle "

JR>   As an experiment, I created the following:

JR>   Group = Jan Rifkinson
JR>   handle = janrif

JR>   Within the group:
JR> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JR> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JR> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JR> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

JR> If I want to address an email to the group, what do I do? I don't
JR> seem to be the only person with this problem.

You would address a mail to "janrif " (no quotes). The mail
would retain that addressing syntax, even in the sent folder. The word
"list" in angle brackets is leterally a part of the required syntax.

The messages at destination would appear as "To: addr1, addr2, addr3,
addr4" where each of the "addrN" addresses would be of the full
"RealName" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> as held in the address book group.

The mail I just tested with worked perfectly as described.

I hope that is of some help.

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Re: AB group

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Jan,

On  Fri, 3 Nov 2000  at  18:00:32 GMT -0500 (which was 3:00 PM
where I live) witnesses say Jan Rifkinson typed:

>   Well,  this  is still escaping me. Would you be so
>   kind  as to tell me exactly how you set up a group
>   & how you address an email to that "group".

Here is an excerpt of a message I sent to TBUDL on October 15, 2000

cBegin Excerpt
1. create a group (Edit -> Create group)
2. Give it a name and a handle.  Deselect "Hide items if not
   explicitly selected.
3. Now in the left hand side of the address book, you'll have a tree
   structure.  Expand the tree and select the top level.
4. From the right hand side, choose your contacts you want to add to
   the group.  Drag them to the group on the left hand side.
5. Now when you create a new message, type in the group's handle.
   When you Tab out of the To: field, TB will expand the addresses to
   handle 

Although it looks like TB will attempt to send to an invalid address,
the list is substituted before hitting your mail server.  If you
include yourself in the group, you'll see what I mean.
c===End Excerpt

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Regular expressions

[Patrice Neff]

Hi all,

I'm using a regular expression for building the reply-subject:

| 
|%Subject="Re: %SetPattRegExp=""(?i)\A\:?((\s*(re|aw|ha|rcpt|fw|fwd|forw|antwort)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*)(\s*)(.*?)(\s*\z)""%RegExpBlindMatch=""%OSubj""%SubPatt=""6"""
(I've found this expression and have optimized it for my use. I
don't know where exactly I found it.) 

But this expression does not work as expected. Or more exactly,
let's say it works very irregularly. I've created a test folder
with some messages in it. Some messages have the same subject, but
with the regexp above, I get different results. There are too much
spaces. I tracked this down and I am now almost sure, it's because
the Mime-Encoded subjects. (I think this is the correct name for
this "strange" subjects)

Hopefully you'll understand better, when I give you some examples:

| =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Re=3A=A0Ich_haben_fertig?=
Will result in:
| Re:  Ich haben fertig
This is not correct, there are too much spaces.

| Re: Re: Ich haben fertig
Will result in:
| Re: Ich haben fertig
This is correct, there is one space after the "Re".

So, I come to my final question: Is this a bug with The Bat, or do
I have to change my macro? 

Thank you for your answers.

Greetings, Patrice

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Deletion options with IMAP4

[Kiyan Azarbar]

I have 2 questions (so far) after using The Bat! 1.47 HE for a day.

1) is there a way to apply certain changes to all accounts? As in change the
reply template, and so forth, for all of them? In fact, is there a way of
selecting more than one account BEFORE applying properties? I hate having to
duplicate properties ... I know some are unique so it wouldn't make sense to
group-apply, but in many cases it does.

2) How is deletion handled with IMAP4? Seems to me so far that TB treats IMAP4
basically like POP3, ie it doesn't use any of its inherent features. It doesn't
seem to respect the read flag, or replied-to or forwarded flags, etc. Or mark
things for deletion, and it can't PURGE on the server.

I ask because in Calypso there were many diff't types of deleting. Local
deletion which simply turned the message into header-only mode (and could be
later retrieved from the server). Deletion which marked it to be deleted from
the server (either immediate or next-poll)... but that leaves the message in the
local box. Then you could delete the thing locally and it would be gone, or
leave it.

Seems that if I say "leave on server" for IMAP4 once I retrieve messages there's
no way to delete them on the server except if I use the dispatcher.

Speaking of which, what is the dispatcher for? Haven't figured it out yet and
the documentation/list-posts are hard to hunt down.

Thanks.

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