Re: Multipart massages

[Michal Kozusznik]

Hello Januk,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 9:10:27 AM, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

> If you don't like DOS, perhaps you can try a scripting language for
> Windows.  There are a couple out there that might do the job nicely.

> Good luck, and if you get it to work, please let me know off-list.  I
> would be interested in how you did it.

Actually I need this feature for office work. And won't explore
programing matter. I described the problem counting for interesting
and maybe for implementing this into future versions of TB!


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Re: Multipart massages

[Thomas]

Hi Januk,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:10:27 -0800GMT (01/02/2001, 16:10 +0800GMT),
Januk Aggarwal wrote:

> Good luck, and if you get it to work, please let me know off-list.  I
> would be interested in how you did it.

No, please let us know on-list. (On TBOT, if necessary.) Thanks. ;-)

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Re[2]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 4:43:44 PM, you wrote:

T> On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:53:47 +0900GMT (01/02/2001, 14:53 +0800GMT),
T> Yuki Taga wrote:

>> I'm running W2k Pro (SP-1), and using NJStar Communicator 2.23(NT).

T> So I guess W2K is not "all languages" as advertised.

It's an incomplete "all languages" at best.  I could have the same setup I
have right now with TB! using Outlook, but OL is apparently never going to
have the fix where you can read subject lines in the message window, unless
you configure your system for Japanese default.  I'm hoping that TB! will
come through.  The MSIE that comes with W2k is fine for just about any
language, however.  No problem with moving from Japanese to Latin or any
other char sets.  Netscape works, too, so I suppose I could use that for
mail. But people used to Pegasus are looking for something like TB!, not
for toys like Netscape.

To be fair to MS, which goes against my grain , there is apparently a
"multi-language version" of Win2k, which apparently costs an arm and a leg,
but which will handle all these problems just fine.  But having just paid
MS for this version, I don't really feel like contributing again.  I wasn't
even *aware* of this other version, which is apparently aimed at and priced
for the corporate market, until I had already purchased this one.

T> I don't know NJ Star Comm, so cannot comment on this.

It's quite well known in the FEP world, the successor to NJWin.

>> Problem with getting a lot of Pegasus users over
>> to TB!, however, is that a lot of Pegasus users are used to free.  

T> So, for free you can read "no Japanese". You get waht you pay for,
T> iosn't that what they say? 

That's what they say all right.  And it's true.  I'm voting with my purse,
and if I find out I voted for the wrong app, I'll vote again.  Kind of like
Florida, I hear.  ^_-  

T> The default langauge on my system is Chinese.
T> I use Chinese Windows 98. With a Chinese GUI - and I'm sooo
T> thankful that TB (and some other apps) are in English. ;-)

That explains it then.  I think we all could use a mail client that can
handle any message coming in with the appropriate language tag, no matter
what the OS is based on.  I mean, we can send people to the moon, and now
here in Japan we've unveiled a humanoid robot that will actually pour you a
glass of wine.  An all-purpose e-mail app shouldn't be that hard.  ^_^

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Re: Multipart massages

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Michal,

Historians believe that Tue, 30 Jan 2001 at 10:52 GMT +0100 was when,
Michal Kozusznik [MK] typed the following:


MK> Maybe some other suggestions?

How about some DOS programming?  I'm not sure if DOS supports FOR
loops like in Unix.

In Unix it would look something like:

for n in file1 file2 file3 file4; do
  \thebatpath\thebat.exe /MAILU=MyAccount;[EMAIL PROTECTED];Attach=${n};SEND
done

Obviously this won't work as written in either DOS or UNIX, but maybe
you can explore DOS "for loops"?

A good place to look for references to DOS programming:

http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/DOS/Programming/
 
If you don't like DOS, perhaps you can try a scripting language for
Windows.  There are a couple out there that might do the job nicely.

Good luck, and if you get it to work, please let me know off-list.  I
would be interested in how you did it.

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Re: Multipart massages

[Michal Kozusznik]

Hello Silver,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 8:39:15 AM, Silver Fox wrote:

> RAR has an option to create several files for one
> volume.  Works great

Yeap, I know. Now, try to send ten such parts of file. You will have
to Create a new message 10 times, select destination address, attach
any file. It takes a lot of time and screw mind.

But I've wrote about. Try to read carefully my firs post again

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Re: The bat review

[Thomas]

Hi Yuki,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:16:06 +0900GMT (01/02/2001, 16:16 +0800GMT),
Yuki Taga wrote:

> To be fair to MS, which goes against my grain , there is apparently a
> "multi-language version" of Win2k, which apparently costs an arm and a leg,
> but which will handle all these problems just fine.  But having just paid
> MS for this version, I don't really feel like contributing again.  I wasn't
> even *aware* of this other version, which is apparently aimed at and priced
> for the corporate market, until I had already purchased this one.

I thought W2K is aimed at the corporate market anyway, with it really
being NT5 and all; while Windows ME is aimed at the private user, a
newly-polished version of Win98. Oh well.

T>> I don't know NJ Star Comm, so cannot comment on this.

> It's quite well known in the FEP world, the successor to NJWin.

Ah, now I see. There were some TB users on this list that used NJWin.
-  "Are you still out here?"

> That explains it then.  I think we all could use a mail client that can
> handle any message coming in with the appropriate language tag, no matter
> what the OS is based on.

Right-click on any incoming message and choose Encoding. As long as
the encoding of the message is recognised by TB, it will automatically
switch; otherwise, you can still manually switch. You need to install
the XLAT table and fonts, of course, so TB can display the message
correctly. I can read messages in Thai, but my Windows doesn't know
anything about Thai. TB does it all! :-)

However, I am not sure this works also for the subject line.

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Re: Multipart massages

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Januk,

Historians believe that Thu, 1 Feb 2001 at 00:10 GMT -0800 was when,
Januk Aggarwal [JA] typed the following:

JA> How about some DOS programming?  I'm not sure if DOS supports FOR
JA> loops like in Unix.

JA> In Unix it would look something like:

JA> for n in file1 file2 file3 file4; do
JA>   \thebatpath\thebat.exe /MAILU=MyAccount;[EMAIL PROTECTED];Attach=${n};SEND
JA> done

JA> Obviously this won't work as written in either DOS or UNIX, but maybe
JA> you can explore DOS "for loops"?

Ok, I think I found the answer.  In a DOS window, try the following
line:

FOR %%v IN (01 02 03) DO c:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe 
/MAILU=MyAccount;[EMAIL PROTECTED];Attach=%%v;SEND

Replace this with a list of your filenames.

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Re[2]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 5:32:20 PM, you wrote:

T> I thought W2K is aimed at the corporate market anyway, with it really
T> being NT5 and all; while Windows ME is aimed at the private user, a
T> newly-polished version of Win98. Oh well.

I think that's a fair statement, but it's also aimed at power users who
like a bit more stability than the basic Windows platform is ever going to
be able to give them.  But a fair amount of gaming support has been built
into W2K, so perhaps they're trying to be all things to all people as
usual.  It's for anyone concerned about security, as well, since the NTFS
file system supports more security features than FAT or FAT32.  I'll say
one thing for W2k Pro . . . I can't really seem to crash it, which is a new
experience for me with an MS product.  

T>>> I don't know NJ Star Comm, so cannot comment on this.

>> It's quite well known in the FEP world, the successor to NJWin.

T> Ah, now I see. There were some TB users on this list that used NJWin.
T> -  "Are you still out here?"

>> That explains it then.  I think we all could use a mail client that can
>> handle any message coming in with the appropriate language tag, no matter
>> what the OS is based on.

T> Right-click on any incoming message and choose Encoding.

Say what?   I right click on a message in the reader, and I don't get an
'Encoding' option.  Neither do I seem to get it in the message list window.
What on earth am I missing?  You surely don't mean 'Character Set'?  But
there's no Japanese support there yet anyway.

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Re: Can The Bat! retrieve HTTP mail (Hotmail)?

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Bruno,
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, at 23:16:49 -0800 you wrote:

BH> I am trying-out The Bat! 1.49 as a potential replacement for
BH> OLE 5.5

Good choice :-)

BH> Two questions:
BH> 1. Can I configure The Bat! to retrieve mail from my Hotmail
BH> account? (HTTP mail). I can do this with OLE 5.5

But not with TB!, sorry. You might want to try a web2pop service.
But as I've never used anything like that, I hope someone else
can jump in here.

BH> 2. Is there a "News" module that is available for The Bat! I
BH> still need to fire-up OLE 5.5 to be able to use its news
BH> reader.

No, TB! is not a news reader. Rumours are going around that TB!
will support news in V2, maybe with some plug-in.

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Re[2]: Move msg to another Account?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Mike,

...
MY> Since so many list members aren't native English speakers, we
MY> shouldn't be overly sensitive to grammar errors, misspellings or
MY> mangled idioms.

Thank you and all the others for your understanding. Rest assured
that I will try to be much more careful with such things in the
future.

In this particular case I was very amazed (translated
'verbluefft' correctly? ) that someone asks a question here when
it's a lot faster (three mouseclicks) to check it out.

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Re: The bat review

[Thomas]

Hi Yuki,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:14:00 +0900GMT (01/02/2001, 17:14 +0800GMT),
Yuki Taga wrote:

T>> Right-click on any incoming message and choose Encoding.

> Say what?   I right click on a message in the reader, and I don't get an
> 'Encoding' option.  Neither do I seem to get it in the message list window.
> What on earth am I missing?  You surely don't mean 'Character Set'?

Well... I do. It's called Message Encoding in the editor (under the
Options menu) and Character Set in the viewer. Talk about
inconsistency. ;-)

> But there's no Japanese support there yet anyway.

Well, you'll have to put it in, like I put in the Thai support. I
don't know where you would get a Japanese XLAT table. But it would
probably be easier for you to find it than me.

The XLAT table can either be typed in by hand (main menu: Options /
XLAT tables), or more likely, you will get it as a registry key, which
you will have to put into your registry under HKCU / Software / RIT /
The Bat! / XLT /

I got the Thai XLAT tables (for two different Thai encodings) as .reg
files that put themselves in there.

Once that is in, you will have to put a monospaced Japanese Font into
your C:\Windows\Fonts directory.

Enjoy all those messages in Japanese that will come in and be easy to
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Re[2]: Access denied

[John Phillips]

Ming-Li wrote, On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, at 08:16:03 [GMT -0800] (03:16 Australian Eastern 
Time,Thursday):

ML> On Wednesday, January 31, 2001, 12:31:45 AM, John wrote:

ML> While seconding your suggestion, I think you may find the
ML> information by checking the account logs.



Sorry, wasn't aware of these.  In that case, what does the following
mean?   (ie the "not local host" bit?)

31/01/2001, 19:40:12: SEND  - sending message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*31/01/2001, 19:40:13: SEND  - The last address submitted was <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
!31/01/2001, 19:40:13: SEND  - Message has not been sent. Server reply - not local 
host sageblossom.com, not a gateway
*31/01/2001, 19:40:13: SEND  - sending message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*31/01/2001, 19:40:13: SEND  - The last address submitted was 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
!31/01/2001, 19:40:13: SEND  - Message has not been sent. Server reply - not local 
host thebat.dutaint.com, not a gateway
+31/01/2001, 19:40:14: SEND  - connection finished - 0 of 2 messages sent


Am I doing something wrong?


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Re: Can The Bat! retrieve HTTP mail (Hotmail)?

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:17:37 +0100, Lars wrote these words of wisdom:

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BH>> Two questions: 1. Can I configure The Bat! to retrieve mail from
BH>> my Hotmail account? (HTTP mail). I can do this with OLE 5.5

LG> But not with TB!, sorry. You might want to try a web2pop service.
LG> But as I've never used anything like that, I hope someone else can
LG> jump in here.

I've used Web2Pop and it works well with my Hotmail account.

It's however not freeware.

http://www.jmasoftware.com/english/index.html

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Re: Can The Bat! retrieve HTTP mail (Hotmail)?

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Hi Lars,
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 10:17:37 +0100 you wrote:

LG> But not with TB!, sorry. You might want to try a web2pop service.
LG> But as I've never used anything like that, I hope someone else can
LG> jump in here.

I use Web2Pop to access email from Hotmail without any problems.  I
have the account set up so that Mail Dispatcher is used automatically
so that I can get rid of any spam without downloading it.

The only issue is that you can only see messages which are in your
Inbox.  Therefore if you have any filters automatically moving mail to
folders in Hotmail, you can't download your email.

HTH

Stuart

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Re: Move msg to another Account?

[Thomas]

Hi Wolfgang,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:37:18 +0100GMT (01/02/2001, 17:37 +0800GMT),
Wolfgang Kynast wrote:

> In this particular case I was very amazed (translated
> 'verbluefft' correctly? )

amazed = ERSTAUNT;  STUTZIG
verblüfft = PERPLEXED;  STAGGERED;  NONPLUSED;  BLANK;  BEWILDERED

From: www.yourdictionary.com

Also see:
http://www.foreignword.com/Tools/dictsrch_aff.asp?query=amazed&src=BP&srcbox=18&go=Translate&trg=CK


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Re[2]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 6:33:15 PM, you wrote:

T> Well... I do. It's called Message Encoding in the editor (under the
T> Options menu) and Character Set in the viewer. Talk about
T> inconsistency. ;-)

Okay, found it.  I was looking in the viewer, and you were talking about
the message editor.  My fault.

>> But there's no Japanese support there yet anyway.

T> Well, you'll have to put it in, like I put in the Thai support. I
T> don't know where you would get a Japanese XLAT table. But it would
T> probably be easier for you to find it than me.

Probably . . . but to be honest with you, until opening TB! for the first
time, I've never come across the term XLAT table.  So I don't know where
the heck I would look to find one.

T> The XLAT table can either be typed in by hand (main menu: Options /
T> XLAT tables), or more likely, you will get it as a registry key, which
T> you will have to put into your registry under HKCU / Software / RIT /
T> The Bat! / XLT /

I have no problems using the registry editor, but are you saying an XLAT
table is a registry key?  If so, wouldn't I be able to find it in a form
that simply required double clicking to merge into the registry?

T> I got the Thai XLAT tables (for two different Thai encodings) as .reg
T> files that put themselves in there.

Ah yes.  That's what I mean above.  Where did you get them?

T> Once that is in, you will have to put a monospaced Japanese Font into
T> your C:\Windows\Fonts directory.

Since I run: a) Windows 98 SE b) NT 4 Server c) Win2k Pro and d) Linux, all
on the same box here . . . it would be drive, hmm, let me see  oh yeah,
drive L, I guess, for the W2K Pro sys files.  ^_-  But I have Japanese fonts
already.  Just need this mysterious XLAT table that I've never heard of.

T> Enjoy all those messages in Japanese that will come in and be easy to
T> read for you even without any FEP.

Now *that* is where I want to be . . .

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Re[2]: Move msg to another Account?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Thomas,

T> amazed = ERSTAUNT;  STUTZIG
T> verblüfft = PERPLEXED;  STAGGERED;  NONPLUSED;  BLANK;  BEWILDERED

Funny, Langenscheidt gave me 'amazed' for 'verblüfft'.

T> From: www.yourdictionary.com

T> Also see:
T> 
http://www.foreignword.com/Tools/dictsrch_aff.asp?query=amazed&src=BP&srcbox=18&go=Translate&trg=CK

Thanks for these links.

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Latest Bat! version?

[John Phillips]

Hi Bat Fans,

I notice some messages on this group sign off with "Using The Bat!
1.49 c (or 1.49e)".

Where are these versions?  The ritlabs.com pages only seem to have
1.49.


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Re[2]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Wednesday, January 31, 2001, 9:00:15 PM, A. wrote:

ACM> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:15:54 +0900, Yuki thoughtfully wrote the
ACM> following:

YT>> Whoa, Marck, that would require a lot of people to suddenly unlearn a
YT>> habit ingrained by decades of repetition.  Aren't coders good enough
YT>> to make life liveable for everyone?  ^_^

ACM> Sure. Disable auto-indent in the editor properties. :=)

Curtis, I did this, but I still ran into the situation where when a
sentence happens to end close to the line wrap, two spaces after the period
end up on different lines, with an undesirable one-space indent.  Have I
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Re: Latest Bat! version?

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:13:24 +1100, John wrote these words of wisdom:

JP> I notice some messages on this group sign off with "Using The Bat!
JP> 1.49 c (or 1.49e)".

JP> Where are these versions?

AFAIK, version 1.49c is the last official release version.

Versions 1.49d and 1.49e aren't official releases and were discovered
by members lurking the Ritlabs ftp directory for betas.

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Re: The bat review

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ACM>> Sure. Disable auto-indent in the editor properties. :=)

YT> Curtis, I did this, but I still ran into the situation where when
YT> a sentence happens to end close to the line wrap, two spaces after
YT> the period end up on different lines, with an undesirable
YT> one-space indent. Have I missed something?

No, you haven't. TB!'s editor will wrap treating spaces as any other
characters. The first space brings the line to the character limit and
a new line is started. The second space is the first character in the
next line, giving rise to the unwanted indent. Interestingly, this
only happens when auto-format is not being used, otherwise auto-format
will remove the unwanted indent on the fly.

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Re: Latest Bat! version?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi John,

JP> I notice some messages on this group sign off with "Using The Bat!
JP> 1.49 c (or 1.49e)".

1.49c is a beta version available from http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

1.49e is YAB (yet another beta) that by mistake slipped on some
hard disks ;-)

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Color me sad?

[Yuki Taga]

All,

I cannot figure out how to add some color to the folder pane background.  I
would be a shame if that's not possible, because that bright white doesn't
look so great with a slightly colored viewer and message list window.  If
this is only controllable from the Windows default background, that's not
good, because it would mean the entire system would have to have the same
background color.

And on the same subject, I guess maybe this is a Delphi quirk, but when a
folder's message window is in view, if the folder has fewer messages in it
that the number required to fill the message window, then the chosen color
abruptly stops at the end of the message list.  From an aesthetic
standpoint, I find that very unfortunate.  The color application for the
viewer and editor appear to be perfect.  Hope the other 2 can be made that
way.

Do the developers lurk here for suggestions.

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Re[2]: Latest Bat! version?

[Yuki Taga]

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 8:27:05 PM, A. wrote:

ACM> Versions 1.49d and 1.49e aren't official releases and were discovered
ACM> by members lurking the Ritlabs ftp directory for betas.

I wasn't lurking anywhere, thank you.  Stefan himself asked me to download
version e, to verify that the Pegasus import wizard problem that had
affected some users was fixed.

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Re: The bat review

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Yuki,

On  01  February 2001 at 20:20:48 +0900 (which was 11:20 where I live)
Yuki Taga wrote and made these points:

YT>>> Whoa, Marck, that would require a lot of people to suddenly
YT>>> unlearn a habit ingrained by decades of repetition.

Well, I stopped smoking in Nov 1999 after 26 years. There are a lot of
people  changing that habit too. I also stopped having a mug of coffee
for  every  waking  hour  of the day at the same time. Habits *can* be
unlearned when they are seen to be inappropriate.

I'm  not  telling  you  that you must - or even /should/ - change your
habits.  I'm  just making the philosophical point that it is an option
available to you :-).

YT>>> Aren't coders good enough to make life liveable for everyone?
YT>>> ^_^

(see my last para).

ACM>> Sure. Disable auto-indent in the editor properties. :=)

YT> Curtis, I did this, but I still ran into the situation where when
YT> a sentence happens to end close to the line wrap, two spaces after
YT> the period end up on different lines, with an undesirable
YT> one-space indent. Have I missed something?

What  turning  off  auto-indent  should  prevent is the "creeping left
margin"  phenomenon  when  this happens. It won't prevent a space from
taking up a real character position in the text. It is up to you to be
looking at the screen (rather than the keyboard) while typing ;-)).

Seriously  though, there is nothing TB can do other than obey what you
are  typing.  How is TB (or the programmers teaching the editor how to
respond) supposed to know that the space you *typed* at the start of a
new line is *not* supposed to be an indentation in this instance?

I  can't  think  of an implementation rule or a switch that would work
clearly  and  cleanly  and  not get in the way of what's *supposed* to
work.

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Re[2]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 8:35:23 PM, A. wrote:

ACM>>> Sure. Disable auto-indent in the editor properties. :=)

YT>> Curtis, I did this, but I still ran into the situation where when
YT>> a sentence happens to end close to the line wrap, two spaces after
YT>> the period end up on different lines, with an undesirable
YT>> one-space indent. Have I missed something?

ACM> No, you haven't. TB!'s editor will wrap treating spaces as any other
ACM> characters. The first space brings the line to the character limit and
ACM> a new line is started. The second space is the first character in the
ACM> next line, giving rise to the unwanted indent. Interestingly, this
ACM> only happens when auto-format is not being used, otherwise auto-format
ACM> will remove the unwanted indent on the fly.

Then we'll just have to try auto-format and see how that flies. ^_^

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Re: The bat review

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Allie,

On 01 February 2001 at 06:35:23 -0500 (which was 11:35 where I live) A
. Curtis Martin wrote and made these points:

ACM> ... this only happens when auto-format is not being used,
ACM> otherwise auto-format will remove the unwanted indent on the fly.

Interestingly, this seem to work flawlessly with double spaces after
punctuation marks *and* when the spaces overrun the end of the line.
This looks like your "best bet" setting, although you will have to be
very cautious about leaving a clear line between paragraphs and about
starting to type in the blank line before a formatted block (the sig
block is *my* favourite for on-the-fly subsuming).

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Re: Color me sad?

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Hi Yuki,

On 01 February 2001 at  20:35:52 +0900 (which was 11:35 where I  live)
Yuki Taga wrote and made these points:

YT> Do the developers lurk here for suggestions.

Yes, to an extent, although the traffic volume often means they don't
read everything. They certainly don't respond to everything (nor
should they be expected to).

You might try the "Suggestions" option in the Help -- Feedback main
menu item.

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Re: Color me sad?

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:35:52 +0900, Yuki contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

YT> I cannot figure out how to add some color to the folder pane
YT> background.

This is a system colour and cannot be adjusted specific to TB!. It's
the same background colour as that of most other applications
including editors etc.

You can change it via the system properties (right click desktop and
select properties and go to 'appearance' tab).

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Re: Latest Bat! version?

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 20:43:27 +0900, Yuki contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

ACM>> Versions 1.49d and 1.49e aren't official releases and were
ACM>> discovered by members lurking the Ritlabs ftp directory for
ACM>> betas.

YT> I wasn't lurking anywhere, thank you. Stefan himself asked me to
YT> download version e, to verify that the Pegasus import wizard
YT> problem that had affected some users was fixed.

LOL! Clarification accepted and my apologies for implying otherwise.
:=)

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Re[2]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 8:58:07 PM, Marck wrote:

MDP> Well, I stopped smoking in Nov 1999 after 26 years. There are a lot of
MDP> people  changing that habit too.

Just between you and me, Marck, comparing smoking, a disgusting habit that
shortens and degrades life spans, with putting two spaces after a period at
the end of a sentence is a bit much.

MDP>  I also stopped having a mug of coffee
MDP> for  every  waking  hour  of the day at the same time. Habits *can* be
MDP> unlearned when they are seen to be inappropriate.

But there is *nothing* inappropriate about putting two spaces after a
period at the end of a sentence.  Many people think it improves
readability.  The comparison, and the term 'inappropriate', seem
inappropriate to me.If large numbers of people think it improves
readability, then coders should accommodate that view.

MDP> I'm  not  telling  you  that you must - or even /should/ - change your
MDP> habits.

 Thank goodness.

MDP> I'm  just making the philosophical point that it is an option
MDP> available to you :-).

Switching e-mail clients would be another option, I guess.  

MDP> Seriously  though, there is nothing TB can do other than obey what you
MDP> are  typing.  How is TB (or the programmers teaching the editor how to
MDP> respond) supposed to know that the space you *typed* at the start of a
MDP> new line is *not* supposed to be an indentation in this instance?

It's a good question, but I'm sure there must be a way to do it.  I can't
help but believe knottier problems have been solved by computer engineers
in the past.  ^_^

Yuki

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Re[2]: Color me sad?

[Yuki Taga]

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 9:12:27 PM, A. wrote:

YT>> I cannot figure out how to add some color to the folder pane
YT>> background.

ACM> This is a system colour and cannot be adjusted specific to TB!. It's
ACM> the same background colour as that of most other applications
ACM> including editors etc.

That's what I guessed.  Too bad.  That means every other application that
depends on this system setting has to have the same color you would define
for TB!  Perhaps I will start making suggestions . . .

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Re[2]: Latest Bat! version?

[solid snake]

Kamis, almost night (was Morning in my town),
[..in milis thebat!..], A wrote these words of wisdom:
>« A's The Bat! (v1.49e) Personal rip »
> AFAIK, version 1.49c is the last official release version.

> Versions 1.49d and 1.49e aren't official releases and were discovered
> by members lurking the Ritlabs ftp directory for betas.
>« A's The Bat! (v1.49e) Personal rip »
 you're using it.
 hopefully, TheBat will be released with
 - Standart QUick Template file format (text)
 - External HTML Editor..(with little connectivity and QT Support)
 - Multiple sorting of Quotes with ctrl button
 - Add Automatically Sender that we've replied to address book
 - More COlor SUpport..example
   when there two ">>" the color is different that one ">"
 - More color in signature cutter "-- ", after that the color should
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encoding question

[Melissa Cameron Barsic]

Hello all,

Sorry if this is a FAQ -- I am hundreds of messages behind on the
mailing list, and when I tried searching for keywords, I got hundreds
of messages to look through.  So I figured I'd throw it out there in
hopes that someone would answer me.

I'm job-hunting. I want to attach my resume to e-mail messages, which
is currently a .rtf file (MS Word for PC). How should I encode it,
MIME-coded or UUEncoded? Being new to The Bat!, I'm not accustomed to
being given a choice, and I find that I don't really know the
differences between the two enough to choose one.  All I need is
something that preserves the formatting of my document, really.

Thanks in advance!
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Re[3]: Latest Bat! version?

[David Elliott]

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Hello solid,

On 01 February 2001 at 19:00:05 +0700 (which was 12:00 where I live) words
of wisdom emanated from solid snake.

ss>  - Add Automatically Sender that we've replied to address book

I think that you can do this with a sorting office filter on your outbox.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: Move msg to another Account?

[Karin Spaink]

On 01-02-2001 at 10:37, Wolfgang Kynast kindly wrote:

> In this particular case I was very amazed (translated
> 'verbluefft' correctly? )

The nicest translation for that is "flabbergasted". I love
that word.


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Re: Latest Bat! version?

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Hi David,
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 12:57:26 + you wrote:

ss>> - Add Automatically Sender that we've replied to address book

DE> I think that you can do this with a sorting office filter on your
DE> outbox. Please correct me if I am wrong.

It is possible.  Simply set up a Replied Message filter.  What I have
setup is as follows:

(In Rule Tab)

Filtering Strings: .*
Location: Sender
Presence : Yes

(In Actions Tab)

Add address(es) to Address Book ticked
Items: From + Reply-To

(In Options Tab)
Regular Expressions ticked

HTH

Stuart

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Re: encoding question

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Melissa,

On 01 February 2001 at  07:53:12 -0500 (which was 12:53 where I  live)
Melissa Cameron Barsic wrote and made these points:

MCB>  How should I encode it, MIME-coded or UUEncoded? Being new
MCB> to The Bat!, I'm not accustomed to being given a choice, and I
MCB> find that I don't really know the differences between the two
MCB> enough to choose one. All I need is something that preserves the
MCB> formatting of my document, really.

Both preserve the formatting.

Both are provided because some /recipients/ may be capable of
receiving one format but not the other. The different formats are
about who you're sending to rather than what you're sending.

You are probably safer sticking with MIME encoding for this purpose.

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Re: Move msg to another Account? OT

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Karin & others on TBUDL following this thread,

Thursday, February 01, 2001,  you stated regarding Wolfgang Kynast
asking:

>> In this particular case I was very amazed (translated
>> 'verbluefft' correctly? )

KS> The nicest translation for that is "flabbergasted". I love
KS> that word.

Another somewhat more conservative but none the less effective
option is "astounded". (Something astounding will leave you
astounded, if not flabbergasted).

DH

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OT: Dictionaries (was:Re: Move msg to another Account?)

[Thomas]

Hallo Wolfgang,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:21:13 +0100 GMT (01/02/2001, 18:21 +0800 GMT),
Wolfgang Kynast wrote:

T>> amazed = ERSTAUNT;  STUTZIG
T>> verblüfft = PERPLEXED;  STAGGERED;  NONPLUSED;  BLANK;  BEWILDERED

> Funny, Langenscheidt gave me 'amazed' for 'verblüfft'.

Our teacher warned us against Langenscheidt when I was studying for my
English degree, seriously. Try Pons-Collin's (in Germany by Klett
Verlag) or Cassell's (both British English); or Webster's (the
standard tome for U.S. English). Of course, you will remember the the
Oxford Reader's Dictionary from school (maybe the best for British
English). I used to have both the Webster's and the Oxford Reader's
unabridged (complete) versions, but lost them during my moves across
continents and moving houses in three countries etc.

I'm a Commercial and Industrial Translator (staatl. gepruefter
Wirtschaftsuebersetzer), Hamburg Chamber of Commerce. Short of a
university degree, this is the highest degree for translators in
Germany. I carry a seal (a round stamp) and can make official
translations.

> Thanks for these links.

Wellcome. The site www.yourdictionary.com has yet to fail to provide
me with an online dictionary for any langauge I was searching for.
Search for courses on Kisuaheli, and it's there. ;-)

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Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

[Nick Andriash]

I just noticed that when a message comes in with an attachment, and I read
then delete the message, that the attachment remains in my C:\Temp Folder
despite the message having being emptied from my Trash Folder.

I was under the impression that the attachment would be deleted from me
HDD when the message that carried the attachment, was emptied from the
Trash Folder. Have I missed something in my setup?


Nick


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Re: The bat review

[Thomas]

Hallo Yuki,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:28:17 +0900 GMT (01/02/2001, 18:28 +0800 GMT),
Yuki Taga wrote:

T>> Well... I do. It's called Message Encoding in the editor (under the
T>> Options menu) and Character Set in the viewer. Talk about
T>> inconsistency. ;-)

> Okay, found it.  I was looking in the viewer, and you were talking about
> the message editor.  My fault.

No, my fault. I meant the viewer but used the term from the editor.

>>> But there's no Japanese support there yet anyway.

> Probably . . . but to be honest with you, until opening TB! for the first
> time, I've never come across the term XLAT table.  So I don't know where
> the heck I would look to find one.

Start with http://yahoo.co.jp ?

> I have no problems using the registry editor, but are you saying an XLAT
> table is a registry key?

Yes.

> If so, wouldn't I be able to find it in a form that simply required
> double clicking to merge into the registry?

Yes. That's what I did.

T>> I got the Thai XLAT tables (for two different Thai encodings) as .reg
T>> files that put themselves in there.

> Ah yes.  That's what I mean above.  Where did you get them?

>From a gentle TB user on this very list, who happens to live in
Thailand. ;-)

 "Anybody out there on this list has an XLAT
table for Japanese on his computer?"

T>> Once that is in, you will have to put a monospaced Japanese Font into
T>> your C:\Windows\Fonts directory.

> Since I run: a) Windows 98 SE b) NT 4 Server c) Win2k Pro and d) Linux, all
> on the same box here . . . it would be drive, hmm, let me see  oh yeah,
> drive L, I guess, for the W2K Pro sys files.  ^_-

LOL! However, it must be monospaced, otherwise it will not be shown
under Options / Editor Preferences / Display / Font, where you have to
choose it.

T>> Enjoy all those messages in Japanese that will come in and be easy to
T>> read for you even without any FEP.

> Now *that* is where I want to be . . .

We're getting there. ;-)

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Re: Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 06:35:58 -0800 you wrote:

NA> I was under the impression that the attachment would be deleted from me
NA> HDD when the message that carried the attachment, was emptied from the
NA> Trash Folder. Have I missed something in my setup?

Do you have delete attached files when message deleted from trash
selected in Account ->  Properties -> Files & Directories ? This does
it for me.

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Re: Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

[Nick Andriash]

On February 1, 2001, at 6:46:35 AM, Stuart Tares Wrote:

ST> Do you have delete attached files when message deleted from trash
ST> selected in Account ->  Properties -> Files & Directories ? This does
ST> it for me

I save my attachments in a separate directory, and yes, I do have the
option checked for deleting attachments when messages are emptied from
Trash. I am sure it worked for me before... just now noticed that the
attachments remained in C:\Temp. 


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Re: Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Nick,

On Thursday, February 01, 2001 06:35:58 [ -0800 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?':

Nick> I just noticed that when a message comes in with an attachment, and I read
Nick> then delete the message, that the attachment remains in my C:\Temp Folder
Nick> despite the message having being emptied from my Trash Folder.

Nick> [...] Have I missed something in my setup?

  Don't know if this is it but
  Edit Account -> Files & Folders @ the bottom of the dialogue box
  see: "Delete attached files when msg is deleted from trash folder".
  HTH

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Re[2]: Latest Bat! version?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Allie,

On Thursday, February 01, 2001 07:13:43 [ -0500 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Latest Bat! version?':

ACM>>> the Ritlabs ftp directory

  What is the address for the Ritlabs ftp directory? Thanks.

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Re: The bat review

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Hi Thomas,

On 01 February 2001 at  22:36:20 +0800 (which was 14:36 where I  live)
Thomas wrote and made these points:



T>>> Enjoy all those messages in Japanese that will come in and be easy to
T>>> read for you even without any FEP.

>> Now *that* is where I want to be . . .

T> We're getting there. ;-)

Could you possibly take it the rest of the way there on TBTECH? Ta!

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Re: Latest Bat! version?

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Hi Jan,
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 10:07:58 -0500 you wrote:

JR>   What is the address for the Ritlabs ftp directory? Thanks.

ftp.ritlabs.com with releases in /pub/the_bat and betas in
/pub/the_bat/beta

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Re: Latest Bat! version?

[Thomas]

Hallo Jan,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:07:58 -0500 GMT (01/02/2001, 23:07 +0800 GMT),
Jan Rifkinson wrote:

ACM the Ritlabs ftp directory

>   What is the address for the Ritlabs ftp directory? Thanks.

Wild guess: ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com  ...and... bingo!

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Re: Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

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On February 1, 2001, at 7:02:51 AM, Jan Rifkinson Wrote:

JR> Don't know if this is it but Edit Account -> Files & Folders @ the
JR> bottom of the dialogue box see: "Delete attached files when msg is
JR> deleted from trash folder".

Yes, thanks Jan... I do have that option checked. The only difference is
that I have attachments stored in a separate Folder, so perhaps that
deletion option only applies to attachments that are stored within message
bodies. I will have to do some testing and find out, but what puzzles me,
is that I've had this configuration since day one, and can never recall a
case where attachments were left behind like they are now.


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Re[2]: Sender info for quotation

[Pete P]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 5:41:42 AM, you wrote:


Th> You are looking for the %QuoteStyle macro. There is lots about it in
Th> the Help with several choices how to use it. Check it out.

>>  For instance if I reply to someone called "Sagittarius" I
>>   wouldn't want to use the whole name (a bit lengthy) and simple S
>>   sounds pretty dull. I'd use perhaps Sag or S-us or something like
>>   that if it was possible.

Th> It is: on a folder (or addressbook) level, use %Quotestyle="=Sag"

Hooray!! Thank you so much, Thomas! As you can see I tested it
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TB! v1.49 - exporting "Sent" msgs

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello TBUDListers.

  All my sent msgs are held in the "Sent" folder & held for 14 days.
  However, I'd like to change that & export them automatically to an
  appended text or unix file on my HD.

  I know under the Actions tab in Office Sorting it is possible to do
  this but my question is: which is better for my purposes: UNIX or
  text? My current understanding is that UNIX format saves the headers
  while text does not. If this is true, why might this important?

  Many thanks.

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Re: Sender info for quotation

[Nick Danger]

Subject: Sender info for quotation
   From: Pete P
  Dated:  Thu, 1 Feb 2001, 18:21:41 (10:21:41 AM Local)

Hi Pete,

Th>> It is: on a folder (or addressbook) level, use %Quotestyle="=Sag"

P> Hooray!! Thank you so much, Thomas! As you can see I tested it
P> immediately and it works fine...  :-)


%QUOTESTYLE="=%CLIPBOARD" can also be a versatile little number as long as you
remember what groups and/or addresses you have it used on.  I use it the
following way quite effectively:

Some of my business contacts they sometimes put their last names first in
the reply to field and the first initial quotestyle would therefore use the
first letter of their last name and I didn't find that acceptable. Using
%QUOTESTYLE="=%CLIPBOARD" I just highlight the appropriate letter, or on
occasion first name, and copy it to the clipboard before replying.

If I don't want any quotestyle I use a hot key to clear the clipboard first.

One problem, if you forget you have that active you can get some real funky
quote prefixes!

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Re[3]: The bat review

[Silver Fox]

MDP>> Seriously  though, there is nothing TB can do other than obey what you
MDP>> are  typing.  How is TB (or the programmers teaching the editor how to
MDP>> respond) supposed to know that the space you *typed* at the start of a
MDP>> new line is *not* supposed to be an indentation in this instance?

Just to play devils advocate...  Outlook Express doesn't use my double
spaces to indent.  Neither does Word, wordpad, Outlook, Eudora, or
even good old fashioned notepad.exe

Don't get me wrong, the benifits far outweigh this minor
inconvenience, but...  It is possible, and most of the office
application programming world accomodates it already.

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Re: Cab The Bat! retrieve HTTP mail (Hotmail)?

[Dave Gorman]

Hello Bruno,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 1:16:49 AM, you wrote:

BH>   I am trying-out The Bat! 1.49 as a potential replacement for OLE 5.5
BH>   Two questions:
BH>   1.  Can  I  configure  The  Bat!  to  retrieve  mail from my Hotmail
BH>   account? (HTTP mail). I can do this with OLE 5.5

I'm fairly new to TB! myself, but I'll take a stab at these and I'm certain the
"old-timers" will set me straight if I'm incorrect! As far as I know, TB! can
retreive/send mail for web-based accounts ONLY if the web-based accounts support
POP3/SMTP (as does Yahoo email). From a quick glance at Hotmail, it doesn't
appear they support POP3/SMTP, although it seems that POP3/SMTP support is
becoming more common for web-based email accounts.


BH>   2.  Is there a "News" module that is available for The Bat!  I still
BH>   need to fire-up OLE 5.5 to be able to use its news reader.

Presently no. I don't know if this is in the works or not.  Personally I hope
TB! doesn't go the way of Opera and try to be everything to everybody, although
I suppose if it were done right without sacrificing quality in email
features/functionality it might be OK. Have you tried Free Agent for news? I'm
not an avid newsgroup user, but I have been much happier with Agent for my
limited news usage than I was with OLE.


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Re: Cab The Bat! retrieve HTTP mail (Hotmail)?

[Thomas]

Hallo Dave,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:05:12 -0600 GMT (02/02/2001, 01:05 +0800 GMT),
Dave Gorman wrote:

> I'm fairly new to TB! myself, but I'll take a stab at these and I'm certain the
> "old-timers" will set me straight if I'm incorrect! As far as I know, TB! can
> retreive/send mail for web-based accounts ONLY if the web-based accounts support
> POP3/SMTP (as does Yahoo email).

That is correct, and in addition, TB can also use the IMAP4 protocol.

BH>>   2.  Is there a "News" module that is available for The Bat!  I still
BH>>   need to fire-up OLE 5.5 to be able to use its news reader.

> Presently no. I don't know if this is in the works or not.

I understand it is; as a plug-in, on popular demand.

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Bat hangs retrieving mail from Opera Accounts

[Pasquale J. Festa Sr.]

Hello TBUDL,

  The Bat keeps hanging when trying to get mail from my two Opera Mail
  accounts, any reason?

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Re: The bat review

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Hi Silver,

On 01 February 2001 at  09:16:07 -0800 (which was 17:16 where I  live)
Silver Fox wrote and made these points:

SF> Don't get me wrong, the benifits far outweigh this minor
SF> inconvenience, but...  It is possible, and most of the office
SF> application programming world accomodates it already.

None of the applications you cite do plain text formatting with
support for automatic indentation (optional). Some perform indentation
(for word processing) but need extra formatting codes to do it.

Anyway, this problem is easily overcome in the TB editor by turning on
auto-format so - case closed AFAIAC :-).

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filtering message / redirect

[Dave Gorman]

Hi all!

I have a filter set up that, when certain criteria are met, the message is
redirected to another email address and then deleted. Although the account is
configured for immediate delivery of outgoing messages, in this case the
redirected messages are merely queued in the outbox awaiting a manual "send". Is
it possible for the redirected messages to send automatically, rather than just
being queued?


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Re: Bat hangs retrieving mail from Opera Accounts

[Serge Skorokhodov]

Hello Pasquale,

PJFS> The Bat keeps hanging when trying to get mail from my two
PJFS> Opera Mail accounts, any reason?

In my case, it just does not do mail retrieval reliably from
operamail from time to time. I also have same intermittent
trouble accessing operamail with Opera 5.02 browser though:-(. So
I believe it's OperaMail rather than TB!.


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Re: filtering message / redirect

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Hi Dave,

On 01 February 2001 at  12:42:08 -0600 (which was 18:42 where I  live)
Dave Gorman wrote and made these points:

DG> ... Is it possible for the redirected messages to send
DG> automatically, rather than just being queued?

Yes ... when editing the filter, check out the Options tab - there is
one to send generated message "Queued" (default) or "immediate". That
should help.

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Handling bad MIME attachments

[Gary Mort]

I  sometimes  send  and  receive  email  through a couple of mail
relays for games.

The  mail relays basically take the body of the message and write
their  own  headers for the message.  This  means that
the  flags indicating a MIME attachment and what the seperator is
are lost when the mail goes through the relay.

And  hence  my problem, the MIME attachment is a good attachment,
properly  base-64  encoded  and  all,  but  when I receive it(and
others who are in the game using The Bat as their mailer) I can't
do  anything  with  it!   Short  of  saving it to a text file and
hunting  around  for a base-64 to binary translator.(Yes, I could
use  UUENCODE,  but  only  if  I send it, I can't force the other
person to do so).

So,  what I would like to be able to do is simply select the MIME
text  and  then  have  the  bat decode it(I can tell the bat what
decoding mechanism to use).

Is there any way to do that?

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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 10:04:45, our bat friend Östen Häggmark typed:

ÖH> Brian Clark:
BC>> Yes I know. The reason I posted this is because Krister was having a
BC>> problem finding the equivalent for that combo in a Swedish keyboard
BC>> layout.

ÖH> Krister, did you solve that? I'm curious to know before I do the upgrade.

Nope, still haven't found the right key... Maybe i should have
formulated the question a bit differently, like so: where on the
american keyboard is the slash key located?


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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 15:21:06, our bat friend Marck D. Pearlstone typed:

MDP> Good  heavens! They've moved them to the Network & Administration menu
MDP> (where they belong) as switchable user rights. Perfect.

BC>> I can now press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+/ and nothing happens.

MDP> Indeed. Wolfgang - I think that this makes the FAQ entry redundant.

Hmm, does this mean that i have to upgrade, and is this beta at the
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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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Hi Krister,

On 01 February 2001 at  19:39:24 +0100 (which was 18:39 where I  live)
Krister Ekstrom wrote and made these points:

MDP>> Good  heavens! They've moved them to the Network & Administration menu
MDP>> (where they belong) as switchable user rights. Perfect.

BC>>> I can now press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+/ and nothing happens.

MDP>> Indeed. Wolfgang - I think that this makes the FAQ entry redundant.

KE> Hmm, does this mean that i have to upgrade, and is this beta at the
KE> usual spot?

Yes, and sort of. This release is not a beta. It's a "bug fix"
release. Release 'e' was mainly put out for those having trouble
importing mail from Pegasus. It is only available from the RIT labs
FTP site - ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta/.

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Delphi for linux

[Beat Strasser]

Hi there

Delphi  is  available now for Linux (Kylix). May the ritlabs publish a
Linux version soon... :)

So short,
Beat Strasser

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Re[2]: The bat review

[Yuki Taga]

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 11:36:20 PM, Thomas wrote:


>> Okay, found it.  I was looking in the viewer, and you were talking about
>> the message editor.  My fault.

T> No, my fault. I meant the viewer but used the term from the editor.

Okay, you win. 

 But there's no Japanese support there yet anyway.

>> Probably . . . but to be honest with you, until opening TB! for the first
>> time, I've never come across the term XLAT table.  So I don't know where
>> the heck I would look to find one.

T> Start with http://yahoo.co.jp ?

Been there & done that.  Pulled up a mess of files that talked about XLAT
tables, but darned if I could actually find one.  ,^_^, <-- Japanese girl
crying.

T>  "Anybody out there on this list has an XLAT
T> table for Japanese on his computer?"

T>>> Once that is in, you will have to put a monospaced Japanese Font into
T>>> your C:\Windows\Fonts directory.

>> Since I run: a) Windows 98 SE b) NT 4 Server c) Win2k Pro and d) Linux, all
>> on the same box here . . . it would be drive, hmm, let me see  oh yeah,
>> drive L, I guess, for the W2K Pro sys files.  ^_-

T> LOL! However, it must be monospaced, otherwise it will not be shown
T> under Options / Editor Preferences / Display / Font, where you have to
T> choose it.

T>>> Enjoy all those messages in Japanese that will come in and be easy to
T>>> read for you even without any FEP.

>> Now *that* is where I want to be . . .

T> We're getting there. ;-)

Thanks for all your help on this, Thomas.  I guess this weekend will be
devoted to XLAT table acquisition.  I hope. 

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Re: Latest Bat! version?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Stuart!

On Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 4:17:25 PM you wrote:

> ftp.ritlabs.com with releases in /pub/the_bat and betas in
> /pub/the_bat/beta

One can just look under "Support"; there you will find "Beta Testers
Area (or "Only").

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Re: Digest (02/01/2001 19:21) Special Issue (#2001-785)

[Russ Moore]

Hello TBUDL,

Quick question for you all, hopefully not to complicated :)

I wish to change the hard drive my installation of the Bat is
installed to, ie moving from D: drive to C: drive, this is due to
having to swap some of my physical hardware around between computers.
Do I have to uninstall and then reinstall (and if so, what
files/folders etc do I need to save to keep my settings mail folders
etc) or is there an easier and quicker way?

Thanks for your time.


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Re: Help! where have all my menus gone?

[Brian Clark]

Hello Krister, 

(KE == "Krister Ekstrom") [EMAIL PROTECTED] accounted:

KE> Nope, still haven't found the right key... Maybe i should have
KE> formulated the question a bit differently, like so: where on the
KE> american keyboard is the slash key located?

It's right beside the right shift key and on the numeric keypad to the
right of the Num Lock. I'm using an MS Natural though.

[L][:;]["'][Enter]
  [<,][>.][?/][Shift]
 [Win][Menu][Ctrl]

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Re: Delphi for linux

[Darvan Shovas]

Hello Beat,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 3:50:11 PM, you wrote:

BS> Hi there

BS> Delphi  is  available now for Linux (Kylix). May the ritlabs publish a
BS> Linux version soon... :)

BS> So short,
BS> Beat Strasser


What's the official Ritlab's line on this anyway? I'm new to the
lists(but have read through the archives) and have not been able to
find Ritlab's position on this.

Also, any schedule for a release for linux?

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Re: Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

[Mike Yetto]

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 07:00:44 [GMT -0800], Nick Andriash wrote:

NA> I save my attachments in a separate directory, and yes, I do have the
NA> option checked for deleting attachments when messages are emptied from
NA> Trash. I am sure it worked for me before... just now noticed that the
NA> attachments remained in C:\Temp. 

If the attachment was a Word or Excel document wouldn't that
application store a copy in your %TEMP% folder before opening it?  In
that case, it is out of TB!'s control and knowledge.

Mike Yetto

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Re: Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

[Nick Andriash]

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On February 1, 2001, at 3:12:41 PM, Mike Yetto Wrote:

MY> If the attachment was a Word or Excel document wouldn't that
MY> application store a copy in your %TEMP% folder before opening it?  In
MY> that case, it is out of TB!'s control and knowledge.

I sure hope not Mike. When an attachment comes in, I want it placed in the
directory I choose. It doesn't or shouldn't matter what Application
produced it, or even if I have the very same Application on my HDD, the
attachment should go where I direct it to, so that I maintain full control
at all times.

When I delete the message without first saving the attachment to a
specific Folder, than I want that attachment deleted as well, which is
what I thought that checkbox was for.


Nick


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Re[2]: Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

[Dave Gorman]

Hello Nick,

Thursday, February 01, 2001, 5:47:51 PM, you wrote:

MY>> If the attachment was a Word or Excel document wouldn't that application
MY>> store a copy in your %TEMP% folder before opening it?  In that case, it is
MY>> out of TB!'s control and knowledge.

NA> I sure hope not Mike. When an attachment comes in, I want it placed in the

(snip)

I think Mike's point is that if you open an MS Office document that was an
attachment, the Office app is going to put a copy of that document in the temp
directory.  TB! can't control what the Office app does with the file.



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Re: Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

[Nick Andriash]

On February 1, 2001, at 4:22:48 PM, Dave Gorman Wrote:

DG> I think Mike's point is that if you open an MS Office document that was an
DG> attachment, the Office app is going to put a copy of that document in the temp
DG> directory.  TB! can't control what the Office app does with the file.

Oh, I see. Ok, I just didn't realize we had gone off topic there. I was
referring to attachments that we get in E-Mail, and what TB! does with
them when received, and why they are not deleted when the message they
were attached to, are put in the Trash Bin and then emptied.

Sorry Mike...


Nick


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Re: Attachments Deleted When Message Deleted?

[Mike Yetto]

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, at 16:42:30 [GMT -0800], Nick Andriash wrote:

DG>> I think Mike's point is that if you open an MS Office document that was an
DG>> attachment, the Office app is going to put a copy of that document in the temp
DG>> directory.  TB! can't control what the Office app does with the file.

NA> Oh, I see. Ok, I just didn't realize we had gone off topic there. I was
NA> referring to attachments that we get in E-Mail, and what TB! does with
NA> them when received, and why they are not deleted when the message they
NA> were attached to, are put in the Trash Bin and then emptied.

NA> Sorry Mike...

No problem. Dave did pick up on what I meant. I've seen the same thing
happen when I open attachments at work using Outlook and Word.  You
may (or may not) be seeing the same phenomenon.


Mike Yetto

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Re: [PGP-Basics] TheBat! 1.49 -- No signing S/MIME Certificate

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Sunday, January 28, 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have a name in my address book that has a templates with
> %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE %SIGNCOMPLETE macros -- so that the message to this
> person will be automatically signed and encrypted.

> Since I upgraded to TheBat 1.49, when I try to send a message to this
> person, I get "No signing S/MIME Certificate for [me, the sender]".

I have a macro for this mailing list to automaticaly PGP sign the
message. As I am sending this message from another account, I find
that I get the same error message -- with the "Enable S/MIME" checked.
So I have to turn of "enable S/MIME" before I can send this message --
without changing the macro to automatically sign this message.

So the problem sppears to be with the macros.  What do I need to do to
avoid that error message?  How do I get a S/MIME Certificate?

And what does S/MIME do?  Does it encrypt attachments automatically?



> The account's properties -- under Options -- has "Enable S/MIME"
> checked. I have to uncheck that option in order to send message to
> this particular person. I have no problem in sending message for this
> same account to another person and manually encrypt the message.

> Can someone tell me what is wrong here?

> Thanks in advance

> JM



Thanks in advance

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Re: Delphi for linux

[solid snake]

Jumat, Subuh (was Night in my town),
[..in milis thebat!..], Beat uttered the following thoughts:
>« Beat's The Bat! (v1.49) Educational rip »
> Delphi  is  available now for Linux (Kylix). May the ritlabs publish a
> Linux version soon... :)
>« Beat's The Bat! (v1.49) Educational rip »

yeah..
why too long wait that,
I can't wait more to see people all in the world using TB in Linux,




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