Re[2]: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[John Phillips]

Hello

Sunday, February 25, 2001, 9:33:40 AM, someone claiming to be 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It has lots. But, to me, there is no doubt whatsoever, that it is one
> of the three best e-mail clients on the market (the two other are, of
> course, TB and Becky!). But, when this is said, I stress that I am
> *not* in the process of converting! The recent threading-discussions
> in TBUDL and TBTECH merely inspired me to have a closer look at Agent
> as an e-mail client.


Not sure if you are aware - there is finally a new version of Agent in
the wings, as posted on the Agent ng by Forte. No announcement yet as
to when available.

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Re: Difference between

[Thomas]

Hallo Jacek,

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:33:20 +0100 GMT (25/02/2001, 05:33 +0800 GMT),
Jacek 'kocurek' Wojaczynski wrote:

JkW> Well what a lame server...heh, I will have to go back to my account SMTP
JkW> server (pooh.wsb.poznan.pl). The only asset of using x.pl is that
JkW> it has no relaying restrictions...

Now thanks for this tip!

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Thomas]

Hallo Dierk,

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:54:47 +0100 GMT (25/02/2001, 03:54 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> Reminds me, I really want to work this way (except for the forbidding
DH> telephone and Internet rates in Germany for  being on line all the
DH> time), if the Mail Ticker would not get stuck after 1.5 to 2 cycles.

How do you do that? Mine runs and runs and runs and runs... like an
old VW.

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Re: Digest (02/24/2001 22:42) Special Issue (#2001-859)

[Thomas]

Hallo Russ,

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:26:10 + GMT (25/02/2001, 00:26 +0800 GMT),
Russ Moore wrote:

RM> I have set up a gmx email account to use as a buffer and found it
RM> works well to retrieve mail. I have no problems using the bat! to get
RM> my email from them, However I cannot get it to send emails.

When I use GMX's SMTP server, I just set TB to POP before SMTP. I
never changed anything in the options on the GMX web interface. Works
fine.

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Re: Agent & PGP (was: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso)

[A Curtis Martin]

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Hash: SHA1

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:46:01 +0100, Karin wrote these words of wisdom:

 «--snip--»
KS> Found it! Actually, there are several plug-ins for integarted use
KS> of PGP from within Agent. For the full list of Agent plug-ins,
KS> check

KS>http://www.skuz.net/madhat/agent/util.html

Well this confirms my recollection that the current PGP versions are
not supported through plug-ins for Agent. The latest version supported
is version 5.5.



This thread needs to be moved to TBOT or taken off-list. I'll respond
to Janik's post but on TBOT.

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Re: TB! v1.49 - I CANNOT install TB! on a new machine HELP!

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hash: SHA1

Hi Jan,

On 24 February 2001 at  16:48:39 -0500 (which was 21:48 where I  live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points:

JR> These instructions were the ones that I used to finally create a
JR> successsful new install.

JR> The FAQ instructions didn't work for me & this way I didn't have
JR> to muck around in the registry. I think some additional
JR> instructions should be added to the FAQ about moving TB! to a new
JR> machine.

WADR to Serge I have changed the FAQ to include this very much more
up-to-date sequence.

JR> The next problem is fixing my squirrly folder directory which has
JR> nested inboxes & duplicatre folders.

I have recently moved some folders around.

It is possible to move them piecemeal with frequent exits and restarts
and have the operation run smoothly - with all filters automagically
updated to reflect the position of the relocated folder.

And then it sometimes goes badly wrong. I moved half a dozen folders
and it worked perfectly. The next half dozen ended me up with a
horrible mess with the old folders reappearing, empty, on an exit and
restart. I had to Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L to get the new ones back and then
mess about for hours getting rid of the phantom folders representing
my secondary accounts :-.

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[Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs   ]

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Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Ming-Li,

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:10:45 -0800, you wrote:

>I use full-width preview pane in TB, something not available in Becky

Have a look at version 2.00.03: View | Change Layout. In fact, for
several versions already, you can have full-*screen* preview pane (and
full-screen Tree-pane and full-screen List-pane): Ctrl + Alt + various
arrows (depending on your pane-layout).

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Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Dierk,

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:06:39 +0100, you wrote:

>> (BTW, you really ought to have a look at Agent as well!)
>
>As a mailer? I am always recommending it as a newsreader. In this area
>it is very good. As mailer? No internal PGP support, no subfolders ...
>can't remember other shortcomings (there were some more).

It has lots. But, to me, there is no doubt whatsoever, that it is one
of the three best e-mail clients on the market (the two other are, of
course, TB and Becky!). But, when this is said, I stress that I am
*not* in the process of converting! The recent threading-discussions
in TBUDL and TBTECH merely inspired me to have a closer look at Agent
as an e-mail client.

And what have I found? Well, as you say, Agent has it's short-comings.
But, IMHO, the ones you mention are not among the serious of them.
Personally, I am sick of folders. To some extent, they are necessary,
but I much prefer good search-facilities - and Agent has those! And,
as Karin has stated, the PGP-issue can be met as well.

Some would say, that it's lack of support for multiple accounts is
*the* most serious short-coming. But, as should be clear from the vast
majority of my posting to the various TB-lists (or so it feels!), I
think this "problem" belongs to the past.

It seems to me, that Agent's biggest limitations are it's lack of
template support and it's poor address-book. But, in fact, some of
it's very attractive features are connected to these same areas:

Template support:

I do not use TB's quick-templates a lot (yet), but it seems to me that
much of the functionality of this feature (apart from macros, of
course) can be achieved with Agent's "Signature"-feature. A
"signature" in Agent can, of course, be just about anything - and it
is, at least, as easy to ad as a quick-template: place your cursor,
press Ctrl+I, choose your "Signature", press "Enter", done. Very
elegant.

Address book:

Agent does not have "auto-complete", but a feature pretty much like
the one just mentioned: ctrl+K, choose a handle [, choose a field],
Enter, done. In my opinion, this is much more attractive than TB's
tedious "auto-complete". 

And then to the final show-down (:-)):

I am no great fan of the "virtual folder" of TB's mail-ticker. I like
to see my new messages in their thread-context, and I do not want to
open a window for every folder with new messages to be able to do
this. In Agent I can set "View" to "Unread messages" (V, "Unread
messages")and sort by thread. New messages then appear in their
folders neatly placed in their threads without anything to distract,
and I can now work my way through them - message by message, folder by
folder - with Agent's oh-so-neat navigation keys! In fact, I love this
feature so much, that I sometimes find it hard to imagine returning to
TB as primary mailer!!!

The same goes for the presentation of search-results:

Quite often I would also like to be able to view search results in
their thread-context. In TB this is just as tedious as viewing new
messages in their thread-context. In Agent I just choose "View all" in
my search-window, highlight the message of interest, press Navigate |
Full thread (or *), and I've got the context without leaving the other
search results. This is *very* addictive!!!

The pros and cons of Agent's threading has been discussed at length
several times on TB-lists in recent times, so I'll end my little
review here - with this remark: Of course, Agent's biggest
short-coming - when compared to TB - is it lack of macro-support. This
is what keeps us all in awe of TB. But this shouldn't discourage us
from trying to *improve* TB - and in that respect, I certainly think
Agent has something to offer.

>One caveat: It could be that the 2.0 version, which seems to be in the
>works, will bring us the requested features and some more. But till
>now we only know that Mark works on a new version (maybe just 1.9, a
>bug fix).

Permit me to quote from the following message from
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent:

From: Jeffrey Kaplan (Agent Support) 
Thread: New Version in the Works!! 
Date: 09-02-2001 8:22:51 GMT
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

"Yes, there is indeed work being done on Agent now.  In the near
future, you can expect a new free maintenance release to fix a select
few bugs recently found.  I don't know what the version number will
be, but judging by the version number history, expect it to be 1.9.
Beyond that, there WILL BE a version 2.0 of Agent!

We do not have a feature set decided on as of yet, nor a projected
release date, but it WILL BE done."

These remarks has led to the threads present volume of 123 messages!

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Re[2]: TB! v1.49 - I CANNOT install TB! on a new machine HELP!

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Serge,

On Thursday, February 22, 2001 00:38:01 [ +0300 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'TB! v1.49 - I CANNOT install TB! on a new
machine HELP!':

Serge> 0. Remove all the "fighting remnants" of TB! installation from
Serge> the destination machine.

Serge> 1. Backup all your accounts with built-in TB! backup tool on your
Serge> source machine. If you chose to store the attachments separately
Serge> from the messages, select the "store the attachments with
Serge> messages" option while performing backup.

Serge> 2. Make a fresh install of TB! on the destination machine. Make a
Serge> dummy account while prompted and don't bother much about the
Serge> settings. The only thing to worry about is place your default
Serge> 'MAIL' account where you like it to reside (if you're not
Serge> satisfied with its default location).

Serge> 3. Perform a full restore from the created backup file on the
Serge> destination machine. Allow TB! to create new accounts when
Serge> prompted. If you use color groups, copy the file "colors.ini"
Serge> from default mail folder on the source machine to default mail
Serge> folder on the destination machine.

  These instructions were the ones that I used to finally create a
  successsful new install.

  The FAQ instructions didn't work for me & this way I didn't have to
  muck around in the registry. I think some additional instructions
  should be added to the FAQ about moving TB! to a new machine.

  I will tell you, of all the programs I had to move, this was the
  most frustrating to me. So Serge (& everyone else who pitched with
  instructions) I thank you.

  I'm on my new machine & things are working fine.

  The next problem is fixing my squirrly folder directory which has
  nested inboxes & duplicatre folders.
  
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Ridgefield, CT USA
Using TB! v1.49
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Agent & PGP (was: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso)

[Karin Spaink]

On 24-02-2001 at 21:59, Dierk Haasis kindly wrote:
> On Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 9:50:16 PM Dierk wrote:

>> Actually, there *is* a plugin for Agent to accomodate for
>> PGP. I have even posted about it... 

> Do you mean CryptEdit? that's a kind of front end for the 5.5.x
> versions not needed anymore since 6.0.2,

Nope, is was a real plugin and apparently took care of
everything, just like TB's does.

I went to www.forteinc.com to see if they perhaps list
plug-ins, but they don't.



Found it! Actually, there are several plug-ins for integarted
use of PGP from within Agent. For the full list of Agent
plug-ins, check

   http://www.skuz.net/madhat/agent/util.html


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Re: Opening Attachments

[SyP]

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Hello Scott Wright,

You wrote on 2/24/2001, 10:09 PM:

Scott> I a message box (see below) when opening an attachment. I would
Scott> like to permanently disable it so that I don't get it and don't
Scott> have to press the shift key while opening attachments.

Scott> How do I permanently eliminate the message box?

In the Registry, under the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!
branch there are 3 keyes, named: ProtectAllowOpen, ProtectDisableOpen
and ProtectWarnOpen. You want to make the value of the last one to an
empty string.

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The software said it required Windows 3.1 or better so I installed Linux.

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Re[2]: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Keith,

On Saturday, February 24, 2001 09:33:43 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Ouch! Where Are My Messages?':

Keith> How do you search a whole account? Last time I checked, I couldn't
Keith> manage to do that.

  Try 
  
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Re: Difference between

[Jacek 'kocurek' Wojaczynski]

Hi Marck,

you wrote:
> So biology.pl (wherever that computer may be)

Well it is in Poland - my friend's computer :)

> is the culprit for the late delivery :-).

Well what a lame server...heh, I will have to go back to my account SMTP
server (pooh.wsb.poznan.pl). The only asset of using biology.pl is that
it has no relaying restrictions...

Thanks for explanation.

regards,


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Re[2]: ctr+backspace functionality

[atelier1]

 Just  to  add  to  the  confusion,i  got another tb set up on another
 partition,on  another  os  {w2k),all prog + message files in separate
 dirs on that partition.
 I  get  the same results there,the only thing that is similar between
 the 2 bats is the mailserver at my isp,go figure!
 Linda

  w2k the bat 1.49
  
a>> When in main window ,with a message highlited i hit
a>> ctr+backspace,which should find a reply, i get the message "reply
a>> was not found in the most appropriate folders

A Curtis Martin> Hmmm. I just did a few of those reply lookups without any problems,
A Curtis Martin> even when the reply is stored in one of a different account's folders.
A Curtis Martin> I don't know what the problem is with your lookups.



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Opening Attachments

[Scott Wright]

I  a  message box (see below) when opening an attachment. I would like
to  permanently  disable  it  so that I don't get it and don't have to
press the shift key while opening attachments.

How do I permanently eliminate the message box?



Message box

Warning


Opening  of  this  file is potentially dangerous because this file can
contain  a  virus.  Think  twice  before you open any file you are not
expecting.  We  recommend  to  check this file for viruses first - you
should save the file to disk for doing it.

Open  attachments with the shift key pressed if you do not want to get
this  warning or contact your network administrator or support service
to disable it forever.

Do you want to save the file to disk instated of opening it?

   Yes No   Cancel


  

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Re[2]: Digest (02/24/2001 22:42) Special Issue (#2001-859)

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Russ,

On Saturday, February 24, 2001 16:26:10 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Digest (02/24/2001 22:42) Special Issue
(#2001-859)':

Russ> I have set up a gmx email account to use as a buffer and found it
Russ> works well to retrieve mail. I have no problems using the bat! to get
Russ> my email from them, However I cannot get it to send emails. Either
Russ> with attachements or without, long or short. I have been to the
Russ> options page on gmx and set my security to secure login etc, then done
Russ> the same in the account settings in the bat!. Still no joy. 

  Me too, me too, me too.

  Gots lots of suggestions from everyone & you will as well. Re-read
  all the info from gmx to no avail. I worked on this problem for the
  better part of a week to no avail. I dumped it. Using yahoo for
  specific incoming but my own ISP for outgoing.

  I know others have used gmx smtp but I don't know if any of them are
  in the US which I think has something to do w this problem.

  Very frustrating.

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Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Karin!

On Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 9:50:16 PM you wrote:

> Actually, there *is* a plugin for Agent to accomodate for
> PGP. I have even posted about it...

> 

Do you mean CryptEdit? that's a kind of front end for the 5.5.x
versions not needed anymore since 6.0.2, which brought with it the
tray icon incl. "Use current window".


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PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys

The Bat 1.49

Windows 95 4.0 1212 C

Jede Änderung des Sinnes muß davon ausgehen, daß die neue Ansicht die
richtige und gute sei, nicht davon, daß sie Annehmlichkeiten und
äußere Vorteile schafft. (Marc Aurel)

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Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[Karin Spaink]

On 24-02-2001 at 21:06, Dierk Haasis kindly wrote:
> On Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 7:46:57 PM Jannik wrote:

>> (BTW, you really ought to have a look at Agent as well!)

> As a mailer? I am always recommending it as a newsreader. In this area
> it is very good. As mailer? No internal PGP support, no subfolders ...

Actually, there *is* a plugin for Agent to accomodate for
PGP. I have even posted about it...



For the life of me, I can't find that message.


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Re: Outlook 2000

[Ian Bowes]

Hello cronologic,

Saturday, February 24, 2001, 7:58:52 PM, you wrote:

c> I want to export messages from [crappy] Outlook 200 into The Bat!.
c> It isn't supported in the import options - Does anyone know if this
c> can be done?

It can be done via Outlook Express.

Outlook to Outlook Express. Outlook Express into The Bat.

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Dierk Haasis]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Marck!

On Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 4:59:48 PM you wrote:

> Now that's where the ticker really comes into its own. All new
> messages - *one virtual folder* - wherever that new message may have
> ended up being filtered to. I keep TB in the tooltray most of the
> time. All new message reading is done from the ticker virtual folder.

Reminds me, I really want to work this way (except for the forbidding
telephone and Internet rates in Germany for  being on line all the
time), if the Mail Ticker would not get stuck after 1.5 to 2 cycles.

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PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys

The Bat 1.49

Windows 95 4.0 1212 C

One man is as good as another - until he has written a book. (Benjamin
Jowett)

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Re: Digest (02/24/2001 22:42) Special Issue (#2001-859)

[Dierk Haasis]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Russ!

On Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 5:26:10 PM you wrote:

> Hello TBUDL,

> I have set up a gmx email account to use as a buffer and found it
> works well to retrieve mail. I have no problems using the bat! to get
> my email from them, However I cannot get it to send emails.

SMTP: mail.gmx.net

Authentication: Perform SMTP authentication; Use settings of mail
retrieval

POP:pop.gmx.net

User: Your GMX client's number

Authentication: Regular; Don't store password

With this it should work. Well mostly, since GMX sometimes has some
problems, like all others.


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The Bat 1.49

Windows 95 4.0 1212 C

Ein Berater ist jemand, der 49 Liebespositionen kennt, aber kein
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Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Jannik!

On Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 7:46:57 PM you wrote:

> (BTW, you really ought to have a look at Agent as well!)

As a mailer? I am always recommending it as a newsreader. In this area
it is very good. As mailer? No internal PGP support, no subfolders ...
can't remember other shortcomings (there were some more).

One caveat: It could be that the 2.0 version, which seems to be in the
works, will bring us the requested features and some more. But till
now we only know that Mark works on a new version (maybe just 1.9, a
bug fix).


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Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient
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Re: Flying bats, have some rest please.

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Paula!

On Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 4:35:14 PM you wrote:

> Under Options, deselect Icon Animation.

Another way would be to hide the (stupid) task bar - right click free
space on it, go to "Properties" and check the second box (Win95). I
don't know what MS called in English, translating from German it
should read "Automatic hide" or such. You will then just get it when
you really need it with a move of the mouse to wherever you have your
task bar located.


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Re: Downloading the whole archive

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi David,

On 24 February 2001 at  19:46:48 +0100 (which was 18:46 where I  live)
David van Zuijlekom wrote and made these points:

MDP>> and, as a zip file, it's >2mb. You want? It's here:

MDP>> http://www.silverstones.com/tbudl.zip

DvZ> Thanks you for the link. I downloaded it right away, but the
DvZ> archive doesn't go any further back then November 27th. There is
DvZ> only one message from March, dated March 16th.

You're quite right. I've just extracted the rest (from my archive)
back to last February. Zipped up it's still 8mb! I don't think that's
a good idea for a download :-(.

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Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[Nick Andriash]

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On February 24, 2001, at 11:10:45 AM, Ming-Li Wrote:

ML> I'm sure others would point out, rightfully, better template and
ML> quick template design in TB, and better PGP plug-ins. They weren't
ML> the main points for me, however, for I didn't use those (still
ML> don't) extensively.

Another aspect of Becky 2.0 which I didn't like, was the poor threading.
It came with a "Thread Repair Tool" as an add-on... kind of like buying a
tire that comes with a free repair kit... makes you wonder about the
quality of the tire. ;o)


Nick


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Outlook 2000

[cronologic]

I want to export messages from [crappy] Outlook 200 into The Bat!.
It isn't supported in the import options - Does anyone know if this
can be done?

-Lee

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Re: Broken threads

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi jlaikan,

On 24 February 2001 at  20:34:59 +0400 (which was 16:34 where I  live)
jlaikan wrote and made these points:

j> I have noticed that some of my downloaded messages are not grouped
j> into a single, continuous thread but into 2 or more threads with
j> the same name.This is more noticeable with the display option of "
j> view threads by References". Any idea?

This is usually because where, the threads break, they have been
contributed to by folk whose email software doesn't supply
"References" headers.

It has often been theorised in this very forum that TB would benefit
from a "fusion" threading method which combines References and
subjects. Until such time as such a wish can be fulfilled we have to
settle for breakages.

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Re: The Bat on second hard drive?

[Wim Speekenbrink]

Hi Ming-Li,

You wrote:
ML> The only thing you need to do to import a .reg file from
ML> Win2k into Win9x is to edit out the "Windows Registry Editor Version
ML> 5.00" line and change it into "REGEDIT4".

Thanx Ming-Li, great tip!

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Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[Ming-Li]

On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 9:53:53 AM, Martin wrote:

> Currently I amwriting my Mail with Calypso and am evaluating
> Eudora, Becky and finally The Bat!

I went through the same process less than a year ago.

> The decission against Eudora is already made, ecause it crashes so
> often.

My school has a deal with Qualcomm so I can use Eudora Pro for free
(ad-free version). Not even that could get me to use it.

> Im interested in your opinions about the other mailers, especially
> Becky, because it has many features I like, also compared to the
> Bat!

I think it all comes down to personal preferences--what you see as
essential and what's important.

I also liked Becky 2 a lot (which was in late beta stages), and it
had (still does) an particular advantage for me--native DBCS support
(for Chinese, Japanese and Korean). But it didn't prevent me from
choosing TB. My memory is distant, here're those off the top of my
head:

1. editor: TB's editor is a little quirky, but its ability to reflow
quoted text is unique and indispensable for me.

2. multi-windows: I could open several messages/folders at once in
TB, not in Becky.

3. more sophisticated filters: no email program's filter design is
flawless. TB's filters have its fair share of limitation that we all
hope would go away in v2. But its power is still peerless. Becky's
filters is a little easier to use, for it's tied to folders. But
it's much more limited.

4. more customizable interface: customizability is a complex issues,
for no application is completely flexible. Usually one cares only
those thing he/she wants to customize. For me, TB is the better of
the two in this regard. E.g., I use full-width preview pane in TB,
something not available in Becky.

I'm sure others would point out, rightfully, better template and
quick template design in TB, and better PGP plug-ins. They weren't
the main points for me, however, for I didn't use those (still
don't) extensively.

I'll stop here for now. It's time for others to share.

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Re: Digest (02/24/2001 22:42) Special Issue (#2001-859)

[Johannes Posel]

Hi there Russ,

Going back 17:26 24.02.2001. when you uttered the following thoughts:

> Any help or suggestions would be most helpful.

[X] Show some logs!

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Re[3]: Flying bats, have some rest please.

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Saturday, February 24, 2001, jlaikan wrote:

> In fact I was mistaken about the terms. I referred to those softwares
> that are supported by advertising and not to freewares. Therefore if the
> Bat! advertised for itself and is not a freeware, where would the
> money come from? Well first, from those who have purchased the Bat! and
> secondly from those who will purchase it on seeing the advert (the
> flying bat).Subtle marketing or small puzzle from Stefan?

please stop posting these st..id messages or move them to another
list. This is not mailing list for posting off topic messages.

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Re[3]: Copying or moving messages

[jlaikan]

Hello jlaikan,

Friday, February 23, 2001, 11:59:32 PM, you wrote:

j> Hello SyP,

j> Friday, February 23, 2001, 11:16:56 PM, you wrote:

S>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
S>> Hash: SHA1

S>> Hello John,

S>> You wrote on 2/23/2001, 8:02 PM:

jlaikan>>> In a folder I have 904 messages. When I
jlaikan>>> tried to copy all messages to another
jlaikan>>> folder, only 206 are copied.

S>> I guess you view this folder threaded, right?

S>> If this is a case, a simple Ctrl+A would select only the first "layer"
S>> of the messages. Try to first expand all threads with Ctrl+Num*, and
S>> the select them with Ctrl+A!

S>> - --
S>> Hope that helps, SyP

j> Thanks very much, it works perfectly. The problem is that there is no documentation
j> about that in the help files.

But there is good documentation from the following sites.

The Bat! User's FAQ  : http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html

The Bat! User's FAQ  : http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/howdoi.html#Address%20Book



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Re: The Bat on second hard drive?

[Ming-Li]

On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 9:32:09 AM, Ray wrote:

ML>> The only thing you need to do to import a .reg file from Win2k
ML>> into Win9x is to edit out the "Windows Registry Editor Version
ML>> 5.00" line and change it into "REGEDIT4".

> Thanks for this clear explanation, Ming-Li. I did fail to mention that
> the "REGEDIT4" header must be changed to "Windows Registry Editor
> Version 5.00", if porting to a W2K machine, in my mail.

It's not a failure actually, for there's no need to change
"REGEDIT4" to "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00". As I said, the
regedit of Win2k handles older versions of .reg just fine.

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Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Martin,

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:53:53  +0100, you wrote:

>Im interested in your opinions about the other mailers, especially Becky,
>because it has many features I like, also compared to the Bat!

Just remember this: When comparing Becky! and TB you are not comparing
two programs at the same state of their development. The current
version of Becky! is 2.00.03 and the current version of TB is 1.49. A
lot of the goodies in the current version of Becky! will be present in
v. 2.0 of TB as well. 

So, if you want to compare the current versions, I strongly recommend
you to focus your evaluation on the features present in both. If you
do that, I will be *very* surprised if you find Becky! to be the
better mailer! Which is not to say that it is bad - IMHO, it is
*extremely* good, and TB could learn from it in a couple of areas.
But, overall, it just doesn't hold up to TB.

See for yourself and enjoy :-) 


(BTW, you really ought to have a look at Agent as well!)

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Re: Downloading the whole archive

[David van Zuijlekom]

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Hello Marck,

On Friday, February 23, 2001 at 20:54:05 +, Marck D. Pearlstone
[MDP] wrote concerning 'Downloading the whole archive':

MDP> The archive is a public free-access facility and not under our
MDP> control. See http://www.mail-archive.com/about.html for specifics. I
MDP> have just zipped a Unix format export of the traffic since last March
MDP> and, as a zip file, it's >2mb. You want? It's here:

MDP> http://www.silverstones.com/tbudl.zip

Thanks you for the link. I downloaded it right away, but the archive
doesn't go any further back then November 27th. There is only one
message from March, dated March 16th.

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Re[2]: Flying bats, have some rest please.

[jlaikan]

Hello Thomas,

Saturday, February 24, 2001, 9:17:23 PM, you wrote:

T> Hallo jlaikan,

T> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:16:45 +0400 GMT (24/02/2001, 23:16 +0800 GMT),
T> jlaikan wrote:

j>> I understand  that the flying Bats on the task bar and on the inactive
j>> title bar are the program's logo. However I find that they attract too much
j>> attention, therefore distract too much. We also get the impression
j>> that the Bat! is a sort of freeware sponsored by advertising (all
j>> those flashy animations). Is there a way to get those bats rest a bit?

T> You have already been advise how to disable the animation. However, I
T> don't quite get the logic that it gives the impression of being
T> adware. Advertising for itself, and being freeware at the same time?
T> Where would the money come from?


Hello,
I take the opportunity to thank all those who have replied to this
question and to all the others I posted here.

In fact I was mistaken about the terms. I referred to those softwares
that are supported by advertising and not to freewares. Therefore if the
Bat! advertised for itself and is not a freeware, where would the
money come from? Well first, from those who have purchased the Bat! and
secondly from those who will purchase it on seeing the advert (the
flying bat).Subtle marketing or small puzzle from Stefan?

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Re: Flying bats, have some rest please.

[John Phillips]

Hello

Sunday, February 25, 2001, 2:16:45 AM, someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is there a way to get those bats rest a bit?

Options / Icon Animation

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Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[John Phillips]

Hello

Sunday, February 25, 2001, 4:53:53 AM, someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

> Im interested in your opinions about the other mailers, especially Becky,
> because it has many features I like, also compared to the Bat!


Tried it once, forgot the problems, except pretty poor filtering.

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The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso

[Martin Posch]

Hi Bat-user,

Currently I amwriting my Mail with Calypso and am evaluating Eudora, Becky
and finally The Bat!

The decission against Eudora is already made, ecause it crashes so often.

Im interested in your opinions about the other mailers, especially Becky,
because it has many features I like, also compared to the Bat!

Regards

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 10:00:35 AM, Karin wrote:

> On 24-02-2001 at 17:33, Keith Russell kindly wrote:

> In the first screen that comes up when you search, there's a
> small list:

>   Look in:
>   O  Folder
>  O  Include subfolders
>   O  Curent account
>   O  All accounts

Boy, do I feel stupid now!

Thanks.
  

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Re[2]: The Bat on second hard drive?

[Ray Selby]

Hi Ming-Li,

24 February 2001, you wrote:

ML> On Friday, February 23, 2001, 1:07:55 PM, Michael wrote:

DH>>> As always there is a big *but*. The registry of Win2k is not
DH>>> the same format as on Win9x. They are incompatible.

ML> I wrote about this before, but it has since come up so many times
ML> that I think maybe it's time to reiterate.

>etc.
ML> porting. The only thing you need to do to import a .reg file from
ML> Win2k into Win9x is to edit out the "Windows Registry Editor Version
ML> 5.00" line and change it into "REGEDIT4".

Thanks for this clear explanation, Ming-Li. I did fail to mention that
the "REGEDIT4" header must be changed to "Windows Registry Editor
Version 5.00", if porting to a W2K machine, in my mail.

All the best,
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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Thomas]

Hallo Karin,

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:26:31 +0100 GMT (24/02/2001, 22:26 +0800 GMT),
Karin Spaink wrote:

KS> You could consider to create chronological folders for this.
KS> That's what I do: apart from separate folders for some
KS> people, I store my mail per year amd within that, per month.
KS> When the month is done I move my sent mail to that folder
KS> too.

I don't keep most mails that long. If something is important, I park
the message. Otherwise, they get purged after between 15 and 180 days,
depending on the folder.

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Re: Flying bats, have some rest please.

[Thomas]

Hallo jlaikan,

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:16:45 +0400 GMT (24/02/2001, 23:16 +0800 GMT),
jlaikan wrote:

j> I understand  that the flying Bats on the task bar and on the inactive
j> title bar are the program's logo. However I find that they attract too much
j> attention, therefore distract too much. We also get the impression
j> that the Bat! is a sort of freeware sponsored by advertising (all
j> those flashy animations). Is there a way to get those bats rest a bit?

You have already been advise how to disable the animation. However, I
don't quite get the logic that it gives the impression of being
adware. Advertising for itself, and being freeware at the same time?
Where would the money come from?

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Re: .EML Files?

[Thomas]

Hallo Ming-Li,

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 06:51:59 -0800 GMT (24/02/2001, 22:51 +0800 GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:

ML> I think you mean .msg files. .Msb is old TB message base format
ML> AFAIK.

Yes. Thanks for correcting me.

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Re: Digest (02/24/2001 22:42) Special Issue (#2001-859)

[Russ Moore]

Hello TBUDL,

I have set up a gmx email account to use as a buffer and found it
works well to retrieve mail. I have no problems using the bat! to get
my email from them, However I cannot get it to send emails. Either
with attachements or without, long or short. I have been to the
options page on gmx and set my security to secure login etc, then done
the same in the account settings in the bat!. Still no joy. The one
thing I can get as a reason is that it cannot resolve my domain. I
can't see why it can't do this, or even why it would want to. I use
zonealarm as a firewall, and have the bat! allowed to connect
obviously so I can't see a problem there. I must admit to being
baffled.
Any help or suggestions would be most helpful.

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Karin Spaink]

On 24-02-2001 at 17:33, Keith Russell kindly wrote:

>> If needs be, you can check your whole account for a specific
>> mail. I have just under 90.000 messages stored, and TB goes
>> through them *real* fast.

> How do you search a whole account? Last time I checked, I couldn't
> manage to do that. Clearly, I missed something.

In the first screen that comes up when you search, there's a
small list:

  Look in:
  O  Folder
 O  Include subfolders
  O  Curent account
  O  All accounts


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Re: A backing-up story

[Karin Spaink]

On 24-02-2001 at 17:29, Alexander Levenetz kindly wrote:

>> encrypting the backup.

> How do you do that exactly?

Here's my batch file for incremental backups & encryption:


@echo off
set path=c:\utils\backup;e:\backups\h-drive
set tz=met-1dst
c:\utils\arj\arj32 a -r -hm0 -i2 -h# -jm -b1 -x!c:\utils\backup\h-exclude.txt 
e:\backups\h-drive\h- h:\*.*
c:\utils\backup\pgp23 -e -w e:\backups\h-drive\h-*.arj Karin Spaink


I'll break up the last two lines:

c:\utils\arj\arj32
  That's where my arj32.exe resides;

a -r -hm0 -i2 -h# -jm -b1 -x!c:\utils\backup\h-exclude.txt
  The switches for arj.exe:

  a = archive
  -r= use recursive directories
  -hm0  = to manage huge file lists
  -i2   = provides a combined percentage and bar progress display
  -h#   = append current date/time string
  -jm   = select high size reduction
  -b1   = backup changed files and reset archive bits
  -x[x] = exclude the files named in [x]

e:\backups\h-drive\h- h:\*.*
  Bsckup target and backup source

This results in files in the format H-010223.arj (for 23 Feb
2001). In the last line, this file is encrypted
(conventional encryption), using the key stored in the
backup directory:

c:\utils\backup\pgp23 -e -w e:\backups\h-drive\h-*.arj Karin Spaink

  -e   = encrypt file
  -w   = wipe original


That's it. It's executed in well under five minutes, using a
P600.


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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Keith,

On 24 February 2001 at  09:33:43 -0700 (which was 16:33 where I  live)
Keith Russell wrote and made these points:

KR> How do you search a whole account? Last time I checked, I couldn't
KR> manage to do that. Clearly, I missed something.

It's one of the radio button options on the search dialog:

 o  Folder
 [_]
 [_] Include Sub-folders
 o  Current Account
 o  All Accounts

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Friday, February 23, 2001, 10:20:32 AM, Keith wrote:

> I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, I've been busy and 
>had not gotten around to cleaning up the folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a 
>result, I've lost several
> hundred messages, including many of my most important ones. 

One more question: I do have a backup from a couple of months ago. Can
anyone tell me if there is a way I can restore my Inbox from there
without losing messages from the other folders? Will it overwrite
existing messages, overwrite the entire folders, create duplicates, or
what?

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Broken threads

[jlaikan]

Hello ,
I have noticed that some of my downloaded messages are not grouped
into a single, continuous thread but into 2 or more threads with the same
name.This is more noticeable with the display option of " view threads
by References". Any idea?

  

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Re: ctr+backspace functionality

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:04:56 +0100, atelier1 wrote these comments:

a> When in main window ,with a message highlited i hit
a> ctr+backspace,which should find a reply, i get the message "reply
a> was not found in the most appropriate folders,would you like to
a> search the message base?" it then finds the reply, in the same
a> folder i searched to start with ,it displays in the "view folders
a> window" why doesn't it finds the reply straight away?

Hmmm. I just did a few of those reply lookups without any problems,
even when the reply is stored in one of a different account's folders.
I don't know what the problem is with your lookups.

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 8:59:48 AM, Marck wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1

> Hi Keith,

> On 24 February 2001 at  08:34:11 -0700 (which was 15:34 where I  live)
> Keith Russell wrote and made these points:

>>> If neither of these methods reveals your missing mail, then sadly
>>> they have been vaporised.

KR>> That's what I didn't want to hear 8-(.

> My sympathies are with you.

Thank you. It is appreciated.

KR>> All my mailing list messages go into their own folders. Most
KR>> personal mail does not. The reason is that I don't want to miss
KR>> it. I don't want to have to check dozen of folders every time I
KR>> read my mail, just to make sure I don't miss something important.

> Now that's where the ticker really comes into its own. All new
> messages - *one virtual folder* - wherever that new message may have
> ended up being filtered to. I keep TB in the tooltray most of the
> time. All new message reading is done from the ticker virtual folder.

KR>> What I do need to do is set up more rules to filter mail when it
KR>> is read (I have a few). Even then, I prefer to filter some types
KR>> of mail manually; that way, I can put it in an "Action",
KR>> "Pending", "Important", or similar folder, if necessary.

> That's another way, but when the ticker VF is as good as it is, why
> bother? Even if you don't want to *see* the ticker, move it off screen
> and assign as system-wide hot key to it to open the VF when you know
> there is new mail to read.

Okay--guess it's time to look into the ticker again. You've convinced
me!

>>> Of my 92000+ messages on file here, *zero* reside in the inbox.
>>> Then again, I'm a level 4.5em so no wonders there ;-).

KR>> You're a what?

> Level 4.5 Email-aholic :-).

Ah...missed the "em" reference. I've forgotten how I tested out, but I
know my level would be super-high, as well. But one can be an
Email-aholic without being as organized as you apparently are 8-).

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 9:13:20 AM, Karin wrote:

> I just search in the "year" folder, while checking the Check
> subfolders. That covers all months of the year.

I see. That sounds like it would work.

> If needs be, you can check your whole account for a specific
> mail. I have just under 90.000 messages stored, and TB goes
> through them *real* fast.

How do you search a whole account? Last time I checked, I couldn't
manage to do that. Clearly, I missed something.

Thanks.


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Re: A backing-up story

[Alexander Levenetz]

Hello Karin,


> encrypting the backup.

How do you do that exactly?

Greetings,
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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Karin Spaink]

On 24-02-2001 at 16:48, Keith Russell kindly wrote:
> On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 7:26:31 AM, Karin wrote:

>> You could consider to create chronological folders for this.
>> That's what I do: apart from separate folders for some
>> people, I store my mail per year amd within that, per month.
>> When the month is done I move my sent mail to that folder
>> too.

>   The problem with that is that then searching becomes a nightmare. I
>   also wonder how Marck handles this, with several hundred of
>   folders. If I can't remember who wrote a particular message, or in
>   what context, I have a problem, because, as far as I know, TB has no
>   ability to search across folders (just down into subfolders).

I just search in the "year" folder, while checking the Check
subfolders. That covers all months of the year.

If needs be, you can check your whole account for a specific
mail. I have just under 90.000 messages stored, and TB goes
through them *real* fast.


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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Keith,

On 24 February 2001 at  08:34:11 -0700 (which was 15:34 where I  live)
Keith Russell wrote and made these points:

>> If neither of these methods reveals your missing mail, then sadly
>> they have been vaporised.

KR> That's what I didn't want to hear 8-(.

My sympathies are with you.

>> I must take this opportunity to recommend a good folder structure and
>> filtering system. "Important" message should certainly be filtered to
>> a safe place the moment they arrive.

KR> My system is the same as Thomas's. He said:

>> It's for those senders that do not warrant their own folder.
>>
>> When the traffic with these senders increases, I will create a folder,

KR> All my mailing list messages go into their own folders. Most
KR> personal mail does not. The reason is that I don't want to miss
KR> it. I don't want to have to check dozen of folders every time I
KR> read my mail, just to make sure I don't miss something important.

Now that's where the ticker really comes into its own. All new
messages - *one virtual folder* - wherever that new message may have
ended up being filtered to. I keep TB in the tooltray most of the
time. All new message reading is done from the ticker virtual folder.

KR> What I do need to do is set up more rules to filter mail when it
KR> is read (I have a few). Even then, I prefer to filter some types
KR> of mail manually; that way, I can put it in an "Action",
KR> "Pending", "Important", or similar folder, if necessary.

That's another way, but when the ticker VF is as good as it is, why
bother? Even if you don't want to *see* the ticker, move it off screen
and assign as system-wide hot key to it to open the VF when you know
there is new mail to read.

KR> On the other hand, I'm considering moving all otherwise unfiltered
KR> mail until a "To Read" folder. I think your reference to the Inbox
KR> as "middle of the main thoroughfare" was interesting. The fact
KR> that all mail goes through there to be filtered probably makes it
KR> a dangerous place.

Indeed.

>> Of my 92000+ messages on file here, *zero* reside in the inbox.
>> Then again, I'm a level 4.5em so no wonders there ;-).

KR> You're a what?

Level 4.5 Email-aholic :-).

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Re: Flying bats, have some rest please.

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Hello John,

You wrote on 2/24/2001, 4:16 PM:

jlaikan> Is there a way to get those bats rest a bit?

It's an animation consisting of 6 phases. If you are clever, find the
wing-flapping bats in thebat.exe's resources, and replace with your
own version!

(There is a shareware program named "Exescope" which you will find
very useful in the process.)

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 7:26:31 AM, Karin wrote:

> You could consider to create chronological folders for this.
> That's what I do: apart from separate folders for some
> people, I store my mail per year amd within that, per month.
> When the month is done I move my sent mail to that folder
> too.

  The problem with that is that then searching becomes a nightmare. I
  also wonder how Marck handles this, with several hundred of
  folders. If I can't remember who wrote a particular message, or in
  what context, I have a problem, because, as far as I know, TB has no
  ability to search across folders (just down into subfolders). And
  the more separate archives I have, the more the problem is
  magnified.

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Friday, February 23, 2001, 4:37:46 PM, Marck wrote:

YT>> It would seem to me that if there is something unstable about the
YT>> Inbox, then there is a horrible bug that needs addressing right
YT>> *now*.

> Maybe, but it's not up to RITlabs to cure OS errors. M$ sure aren't
> going to. Every report I've seen of folder contents being lost have
> revolved around compressing the folder and an OS sneeze of some sort.

Well, as much as I like The Bat, and as much as I dislike the
instability of Windows, one fact remains: In 8 years of using email,
I've never lost an entire folder of messages, except with TB--and it's
happened 3 times in the past year and a half. Granted, the first year
or two were using Pine on a Unix system, but other than that I used
Pegasus, Eudora, and Becky (and a couple of others briefly), all under
Windows.

I don't know if compression is the problem, but it isn't OS errors
alone that are the problem--it's the interaction between TB and
Windows. No RIT can't be expected to cure OS errors, but I wish they
would protect from them, as far as our email is concerned.

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Friday, February 23, 2001, 4:48:37 PM, Allie aka Curtis wrote:

> A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The
> FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well.

FWIW, I had not run a defrag for some time, so this was not a factor.

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Re: Flying bats, have some rest please.

[Paula Ford]

On Saturday, February 24, 2001, jlaikan wrote:

> Is there a way to get those bats rest a bit?

Under Options, deselect Icon Animation.

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Friday, February 23, 2001, 10:48:24 AM, Marck wrote:

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> Hi Keith,

> On 23 February 2001 at  10:20:32 -0700 (which was 17:20 where I  live)
> Keith Russell wrote and made these points:

KR>> I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course,
KR>> I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the
KR>> folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost
KR>> several hundred messages, including many of my most important
KR>> ones.

KR>> Can someone please remind me of what I need to do to get them
KR>> back?

> One way - provided that you haven't purged / compressed the folder, is
> to delete the .TBI file and start up TB letting it rebuild the index.
> Another is to "browse deleted messages".

Unfortunately, I had exited TB, and it's set to compress on exit. I
may rethink having that set

> If neither of these methods reveals your missing mail, then sadly they
> have been vaporised.

That's what I didn't want to hear 8-(.

> I must take this opportunity to recommend a good folder structure and
> filtering system. "Important" message should certainly be filtered to
> a safe place the moment they arrive.

My system is the same as Thomas's. He said:

> It's for those
> senders that do not warrant their own folder.
> 
> When the traffic with these senders increases, I will create a folder,

All my mailing list messages go into their own folders. Most personal
mail does not. The reason is that I don't want to miss it. I don't
want to have to check dozen of folders every time I read my mail, just
to make sure I don't miss something important.

What I do need to do is set up more rules to filter mail when it is
read (I have a few). Even then, I prefer to filter some types of mail
manually; that way, I can put it in an "Action", "Pending",
"Important", or similar folder, if necessary.

On the other hand, I'm considering moving all otherwise unfiltered
mail until a "To Read" folder. I think your reference to the Inbox as
"middle of the main thoroughfare" was interesting. The fact that all
mail goes through there to be filtered probably makes it a dangerous
place.

> Of my 92000+ messages on file
> here, *zero* reside in the inbox. Then again, I'm a level 4.5em so no
> wonders there ;-).

You're a what?

Thanks for the input, even though I didn't get my messages back

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Friday, February 23, 2001, 10:39:23 AM, Thomas wrote:

> First, try hitting  in the message view.

> If this doesn't bring the messages back, try Folder / Browse deleted
> messages.

> Let us know what you see.

Unfortunately, I had already exited TB, and deleted messages were gone
8-(.

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Flying bats, have some rest please.

[jlaikan]

Hello All,

I understand  that the flying Bats on the task bar and on the inactive
title bar are the program's logo. However I find that they attract too much
attention, therefore distract too much. We also get the impression
that the Bat! is a sort of freeware sponsored by advertising (all
those flashy animations). Is there a way to get those bats rest a bit?



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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Ming-Li]

On Friday, February 23, 2001, 8:07:03 PM, Yuki wrote:

BC>>  This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who
BC>>  regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past
BC>>  after a disk defrag. Do you guys and gals think this is
BC>>  something to worry about? I don't think I've defragged my hard
BC>>  disk since I've installed TB!, but I do compress on every
BC>>  exit.

FWIW, I purge and compress often and do defrag once a while, to keep
my disk "neat and clean" (as Thomas put it) and to keep my old
machine running smoothly. Not a problem either with Win2k or (in the
old days) with Win98.

> I'd also like to ask a follow up on this regarding whether compress
> problems are OS or program related.  I use Agent, and purge and compact
> after every use -- at least once a day, often more -- and I've *never* had
> a problem with the database.  So I'm wondering if such problems can be
> honestly laid at the doorstep of the OS.  Just curious.

I also purge and compact Agent database often (not as often as you
do, but still more than once a week). Never a problem. But I don't
have problem purging and compressing TB message base, either.

FAT and FAT32 aren't known for robustness. Many people do defrag
only when they notice their machines are slowing down. They are not
aware that the slow down might be caused by being up too long
without a reboot (for Win9x systems) and all those memory leaks,
system resources leaks, and other system hazards accompanying it.
IOW, they do defrag when the system isn't fresh and healthy, and
that IMHO is what usually causes the problem. You hear this kind of
story all the time in newsgroups, and people usually blame the
applications for lack of better explanations.

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Re: .EML Files?

[Ming-Li]

On Friday, February 23, 2001, 10:33:43 PM, Thomas wrote:

MSG>> What are EML files?

> They are the same as .msb files.

I think you mean .msg files. .Msb is old TB message base format
AFAIK.

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Re: Difference between

[Ming-Li]

On Friday, February 23, 2001, 1:13:07 PM, Jacek wrote:

>>> What I'd like to have is automatic (eg. every 7 days) Compress
>>> and Purge All folders. Is it possible? If not - is it on the
>>> wishlist?

>> Under Folder/Properties you find "Compress folder". That should
>> do it every time you close TB!,

> Yep. I know that. The only problem is I hardly ever close TB! :)

Me too, and I'm not against your wish to be able to schedule events
in TB. But then, don't you think pulling down the Folder menu and
execute "Purge (and Compress) all folders" every 7 days isn't too
much a hardship? :-)

If you take backup into consideration, then maybe you should quite
TB once a while. Backing up mail folders while TB is running may be
hazardous, unless you don't use the check mail every nn minutes
option (or unless you don't do backup at all).

I take the risk for my everyday backup since a backup session takes
less than 5 minutes and my mail checking schedule is 30 min. In case
TB does receive mail during a backup seesion my backup software
would notify me about the corrupted data files and I can redo it.
For the more comprehensive weekly backup, however, I do quit TB (and
every other programs) to make sure the backup go smoothly.

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Re: The Bat on second hard drive?

[Ming-Li]

On Friday, February 23, 2001, 1:07:55 PM, Michael wrote:

DH>> As always there is a big *but*. The registry of Win2k is not
DH>> the same format as on Win9x. They are incompatible.

I wrote about this before, but it has since come up so many times
that I think maybe it's time to reiterate.

It's true that the registry of Win2k is different from Win9x. Yet as
far as TB is concerned, there's no difference. TB uses only a key
under the HKCU tree, which exists in both environments. The position
TB places its registry key (HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat!) is the same
in both environments. So it's perfectly ok to move TB's registry
settings between Win2k and Win9x.

> I experimented with moving the registry entries from one machine
> to the other and back, and empirically it appears you can move
> from Win9x to Win2K, but not in the other direction.

That's because Win2k's regedit would start the .reg file with line
that reads "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00", while regedit of
Win9x (and WinNT 4.0) would start with "REGEDIT4". Regedit of Win2k
can read a REGEDIT4-labelled .reg file, but not the other way round.

It's designed this way because Win2k provides one (or two)
additional data structure for its registry entries, which isn't
available to Win9x and might corrupt the latter's registry when
imported.

As I said above, however, TB doesn't use any Win2k-only data
structure in its registry entries, so there's no such risk to
porting. The only thing you need to do to import a .reg file from
Win2k into Win9x is to edit out the "Windows Registry Editor Version
5.00" line and change it into "REGEDIT4".

That being said, do remember to check the .reg file for paths and
make sure it points to the right location in the target machine.

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Re: The Bat on second hard drive?

[Wim Speekenbrink]

Hi Ray,

You wrote:
> 1) I use regedit to export HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT to a .reg
> file, called (e.g.) thebat.reg which I save (e.g.) in the root of the
> mail folder
> 2)  If  moving  the mail to a new machine I install The Bat on the it,
> first.
> 3) I copy my entire mail folder to the new location. If that's the
> same as the one The Bat Setup creates, I just overwrite it.
> 4) I edit thebat.reg in the new location with notepad, using the
> Replace feature, to change all references to the previous path of the
> Mail folder (also the installation folder, attachments folder etc.) to
> the relevant new path (if they are different, of course).
> 5) I double-click the thebat.reg in Windows Explorer, thus overwriting
> all   default   registry  settings  with  the  ones  from  the  other
> machine/drive/path (path values, suitably edited).

I've a dual boot system: Win2k and Win98. The Bat! is only installed
in Win2k. Now, when I export the Rit section to a .reg file, restart
the machine and double click it in Win98, I get the message: "cannot
import, this is not a registry script". So it seems to me that this
doesn't work from Win2k to Win 98.

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Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?

[Karin Spaink]

On 24-02-2001 at 07:47, Thomas kindly wrote:

> I always have a couple hundred to a couple of throusand
> messages in the inbox. It's for those senders that do not
> warrant their own folder.

That's a *lot* for an inbox.

> When the traffic with these senders increases, I will create a folder,
> because it annoys me that incoming and outgoing messages are in
> seperate folders, this being the major reason.

You could consider to create chronological folders for this.
That's what I do: apart from separate folders for some
people, I store my mail per year amd within that, per month.
When the month is done I move my sent mail to that folder
too.


- K -

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Re: A backing-up story

[Karin Spaink]

On 24-02-2001 at 12:54, A Curtis Martin kindly wrote:
> 24 Feb 2001 14:11:13 +1000, Käö§ graced us with these comments:

K>> Well during that time I sorted out a
K>> neat backup method that I still use in favor of the TB! Backup
K>> Function, here's what I do:
>  «--procedure snipped--»
K>> It works for me, I like it.

> My problem with it is the lack of automation and this is why I don't
> use TB!'s backup facility. I don't think of backing up but it just
> happens. My active accounts and registry key are backed up every
> morning at 4am and my archive account backed up weekly by using the
> system scheduler, WinRAR and two batch files. RAR archives are created
> and placed on a 250MB zip disk.

I fully agree. I use a similar procedure (incremental
backups via a batch file that is calling arj, in
combination with a scheduler that starts the whole thing at
7 a.m.), but I have added one important step: encrypting the
backup.

I might be a tad paranoid - the "Church" of Scientology is
after me, and in such cases one can't be too cautious - but
I really believe that all private communications should be
stored encrypted. I also use a PGP-disk as my mail
repository.


- K -

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ctr+backspace functionality

[atelier1]

hi all

When   in   main   window   ,with   a   message   highlited   i   hit
ctr+backspace,which  should find a reply, i get the message "reply was
not found in the most appropriate folders,would you like to search the
message base?"
it  then  finds the reply, in the same folder i searched to start with
,it displays in the "view folders window"
why doesn't it finds the reply straight away?

thanks in advance
Linda

  

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Re: A backing-up story

[A Curtis Martin]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:11:13 +1000, Käö§ graced us with these
comments:

K> With all this talk of backing up that has been going on I thought
K> that I would write this, some of you may not be interested, but
K> some I'm sure, will be.

K> Some of you may remember a while ago in a previous version of TB!
K> there was a bug which caused TB! to crash during a backup operation if
K> "User Preferences" were selected. Well during that time I sorted out a
K> neat backup method that I still use in favor of the TB! Backup
K> Function, here's what I do:

 «--procedure snipped--»

K> It works for me, I like it.

My problem with it is the lack of automation and this is why I don't
use TB!'s backup facility. I don't think of backing up but it just
happens. My active accounts and registry key are backed up every
morning at 4am and my archive account backed up weekly by using the
system scheduler, WinRAR and two batch files. RAR archives are created
and placed on a 250MB zip disk.

I use WinRAR because it supports CLI options and RAR archives are
reputed to be more reliable.

If you wish to see what my batch files look like you can check here:

http://www.geocities.com/acmartin.geo/archive_backup.txt
http://www.geocities.com/acmartin.geo/accounts_backup.txt

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