Re: Synchronise or Synchronize

[Tim]

On Thursday, 17 May 2001, Dierk Haasis wrote:


DH> Simple explanation: -ise is British English; -ize American spelling.

DH> There are exceptions, as you can use -ize in British spelling, too
DH> (exception: words with two syllables).

Actually, -ize is the standard British usage according to the Oxford
English Dictionary. However, -ise is commonly used -- a result of being
corrupted by the French.

To my knowledge, Australia is the only country where -ise is the
"standard" form.


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Cursor-Paste annoyance

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello TBUDL Members!

  This one gets on my nerves:

  When I put the cursor somewhere in the message body to paste text at
  the cursor position from the clipboard the pasted text gets inserted
  from the left (not indented).

  It doesn't matter if I use , + or any menu option.

  Even in a template that happens. I put the %CLIPBOARD macro indented
  into a QT and the first line actually began where it should, all
  others at the leftmost position. The %WRAPPED macro wouldn't bring
  remedy (more than one paragraph, listings); + would align
  all lines leftmost.

  I hope *I* am doing something wrong ...


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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Christian!

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 9:31:46 PM you wrote:

>   Security stuff, PGP S/MIME

That was the foremost feature that sold me on TB! (after using and not
being able to update Eudora).

>   The network functionality

Not a few people asked for more recently.

>   The mail dispatcher

Without it I couldn't have solved a problem with a message that wasn't
d'l correctly and therefore not deleted on the server.

>   Macros

Another point that sold me on TB!.

>   Quick templates

Admittedly it took time for me to "discover" them, but once you find
them, they are indispensable.

>   Message list colors

This feature should be improved (together with flagging) to make it
really versatile even for net newbies.

A few points missed by those liking a lite version:

1. TB! is a professional's choice (and marketed as such).

2. If you want a lite version go back to 1.37 or earlier.

3. Even without those "esoteric" features TB! would not be easier to
use. Take PGP or S/MIME out and you have nothing changed handlingwise.

4. Not one of the features mentioned will make it easier for newbies
if left out.

5. TB! is very fast. The only thing taking a moment (and not more!) is
its call of the PGP plug-in. But plug-in calling always takes more
time than calling built-in code (in my experience).

6. I wouldn't have bought TB! if I could have tested only crippleware.

7. Are we sure there would be a customer boost with a cheaper lite
version? And, can RITLabs handle it?



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Re: Synchronise or Synchronize

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello William!

On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 9:48:38 PM you wrote:

> It is not British English, it is English, full-stop (or
> should that be, period?) ;-)

Be careful, there are a lot of Americans and Canadians on this list;
there may even be Australians and South-Africans lurking ...



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Re[2]: Synchronise or Synchronize

[William Moore]

Hello Dierk,

Thursday, May 17, 2001, 8:45:35 AM, you wrote:

DH> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
DH> Hash: SHA1

DH> Hello William!

DH> On Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 9:48:38 PM you wrote:

>> It is not British English, it is English, full-stop (or
>> should that be, period?) ;-)

DH> Be careful, there are a lot of Americans and Canadians on this list;
DH> there may even be Australians and South-Africans lurking ...



DH> - --
DH> Dierk Haasis

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DH> The Bat 1.53 Beta/6

DH> Windows 95 4.0 1212 C

DH> Da, wo der Wille groß ist, können die Schwierigkeiten nicht groß sein.
DH> (Niccolo Machiavelli)

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Only joking!

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Cricket]

Hello Jason,

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 11:58:06 PM, you wrote:

JJT> Hello Cricket and everyone else...

C>> But as a selling point to get people to buy TB!, after a 30 day fully
C>> functional evaluation period, the "Lite" version would become default
C>> until a valid license is purchased.

JJT> Fully-functional shareware is far more popular. Why should someone
JJT> purchase software they can't fully test out first? Especially when it
JJT> comes to shareware like The Bat, where the draw to the program is not
JJT> in a fancy interface or other hype, but in raw, versatile
JJT> functionality.



Maybe my wording wasnt good.  What I was meaning was for the first 30
days, TheBat! would be FULLY functional - to let you see what you will
be missing when it shifts to stripped down "Lite" mode at the end of
the 30 day period.  So you can fully test it out first, get used to
your macros, multiple accounts, html viewing, PGP, text search,
cookies, etc. At the end of the 30 days, these would be disabled. You
can still read/access your email. But you could only download from one
account, not be able to view in HTML, no built-in signature
verification or inclusion of your own digital signature. .. Maybe even
add a nag message to the inbox.

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Re[2]: Help with macro

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Peter,

Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 11:30:36 AM, you wrote:

MD>> I  need  some  way to keep my TB mail synchronized between my home and
MD>> work  computers.  This  is because I work from home two days per week.
MD>> Keeping  incoming  mail synchronized is easy; it's the sent email that
MD>> is  the problem. It seems the above macros would be the easiest way to
MD>> do this.

MD>> All help greatly appreciated! :)

PP> *hmmm* I'm sorry I can't help with the macro, I also think this would
PP> be not possible with macros, but what about 2 other ideas?

I would really like a solution for this to. What about a third idea:

Making another pop mail account for this use. Perhaps you can get you
administrattor at work to to this, or with another provider. CC all
mail from home to this account and include this account on fetching
mail only from work. Then set ut filtering from this account into
folders on your main account.


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Re: The Bat! Lite?

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Hello Cricket!

On Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 11:24:20 AM you wrote:

> At the end of the 30 days, these would be disabled. You
> can still read/access your email. But you could only download from one
> account, not be able to view in HTML, no built-in signature
> verification or inclusion of your own digital signature. .. Maybe even
> add a nag message to the inbox.

Personally I don't like this kind of marketing. I use a lot of
so-called "shareware" and was always quick to decide if I need it or
not. When I found it useful I paid for it. The ones I usually killed
more or less immediately are those that use any  kind of crippleware
scheme as you described.

I don't know the customer statistics of RITLabs, but the scheme you
propose would mean first that the proportions between unregistered
users and registered users (to be precise: bought and non-bought
versions) has to be very, very, very out of equilibrium. And secondly
it would require more staff on RITLabs side, assuming that more people
register.

Shouldn't we let marketing schemes to RITLabs, and concentrate more on
using TB!?



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Re: The Bat! Lite?

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Hello Christian Dysthe,
On Wed, 16 May 2001 14:31:46 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, May 16, 2001, 8:31:46 PM (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time,

Christian Dysthe wrote:

CD>   I know this could be a hot topic, but I would have liked to see a
CD>   slim version of The Bat! including only the basic email
CD>   functionality.


I never thought I'd do this but I'm going to recommend a Microsoft
product. If you need a basic e-mail client with no advanced^H^H^H^H
features then Outlook Express is probably what you need.

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Re[2]: The Bat! Lite?

[OK3]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Thursday, May 17, 2001, Jamie Dainton wrote to Christian Dysthe about
The Bat! Lite?:

JD> I never thought I'd do this but I'm going to recommend a Microsoft
JD> product.   If   you   need   a   basic   e-mail   client  with  no
JD> advanced^H^H^H^H  features  then  Outlook Express is probably what
JD> you need.

Maybe even Microsoft Internet Mail.

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fancy feature

[Catalin Olteanu]

Hello,

It will be nice to be able to change the icon for accounts
(which now is a @). I have many accounts, and I think it wouldn't be
too bad to be able to distinguish them this way.

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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Chema Berian]

Hello Listers, 

On Thu, 17 May 2001,  at 01:12:04 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:12 where I
live)  André wrote:

AE> Where 2MB downloads take (on slow connections) maybe 5 minutes or
AE> so?

 This is a *very fast* slow connection. :D

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DEAD HORSE (was Re: The Bat! Lite?)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Dierk,

On 17 May 2001 at  12:11:29 +0200 (which was 11:11 where I  live)
Dierk Haasis wrote to Cricket and made these points:

DH> Shouldn't we let marketing schemes to RITLabs, and concentrate
DH> more on using TB!?


Yes. :-)


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Re: Importing Eudora Mail

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hello Karin,

Thursday, May 17, 2001, 12:36:40 AM, you wrote:

KS> On 16-05-2001 at 17:12, Gerry Doyon kindly wrote:
>> Hello Marck,

KS> Here's an ex-Eudora user. I imported all my old mail (circa
KS> 75.000 messages) into my TB folders. All you need to do is
KS> ask your friend to send you the *.mbx file and import it as
KS> Unix mailbox.

My friend zipped up each Eudora mailbox folder. I then duplicated the
naming convention he had for the folders and un-zipped the contents.
I used the TB! import wizard and pointed to the Eudora folder and
PRESTO, it worked! :-)

Thanks all!

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decrypting with GnuPG and PGP ?

[Rob]

Hello all,

when i try to decrypt an encrypted & signed message with GnuPG thru TB!,
the ID field in the OpenPGP pop-up window is empty and I have to type the
entire ID needed to decrypt ?!
using PGP6.5.8ckt or GnuPGShell the ID needed to decrypt is supplied and i
only need to type the passphrase ...
is that a bug ? or just an incomplete GnuPG implementation ?  ;-)

btw : the PGPTray popup-window looks funny when called from TB! ; the
window-title is garbage and the text 'enter passphrase for your secret key'
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Re[2]: Kind of a cosmetic bug and a Q...

[ANT-ilic]

Hi Jason J Thompson,

  On the Wednesday, May 16, 2001, U wrote:

Ai>> A question is about hot-key filters... Since I started using them
Ai>> I get only that message that is in focus filtered even if there
Ai>> are much more messages that match filter (Option "Check the
Ai>> selected message against this rule" makes no difference)...

JJT> This is how it is supposed to work. If you want to filter all
JJT> messages in a folder, right-click the folder and select Re-filter
JJT> Messages.

This fires a lot of filters and does exectly what I don't want...

I used this filters to add people to address book... When I get a
messages from somebody new (or address as changed) I place it in a
folder and hot-key that folder... There is another filter that will
filter all people from that Group in right folder...

Any ideas on how to do this automatically?
What I need is when I drag/move a message to a sub-folder, to put
sender in a certain group in Address book...

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Re[2]: Kind of a cosmetic bug and a Q...

[ANT-ilic]

Hi OK3,

  On the Thursday, May 17, 2001, U wrote:

O> This  option  sets  whether the filter logic will be checked or filter
O> action  will  be performed unconditionally to the selected message(s).
O> To re-filter folder with a hotkey filter try to select all messages in
O> a folder (do not forget to expand all threads).

Yup... I afraid so... So back to expanding threads, selecting
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Re[3]: The Bat! Lite?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello John,

The Bat! in unique in other aspects that it's features. It is stable
fast and stable. I never loose mail and the filtering and folder
settings are impressive.

I do not think that the Lite version should be free. It could sell for
a few $'s less with an easy upgrade path to the "Pro" version.
Personally I would be willing to pay full price for this Lite version
since it would be everything I need, nothing I don't. But that's
me. Others may consider a slimmer version less of an offering wanting
to pay less. Offering both at the same price could be an idea also
with a selling point for the Lite version that it is the fastest
smallest stable and tested e-mail client around. That would get me
hooked. Come to think of it, I am already hooked on The Bat! Lite or
not... :)

Thursday, May 17, 2001, 2:00:29 AM, you wrote:



C>> But as a selling point to get people to buy TB!, after a 30 day fully
C>> functional evaluation period, the "Lite" version would become default
C>> until a valid license is purchased.

C>> I applaud Stefan and Max for producing and continually updating an
C>> excellant product and believe they well deserved to be paid! By
C>> causing the evaluation version to migrate to a Lite version the
C>> customer will not loose their email, but they won't have access to the
C>> enhancements eitheruntil a valid key is purchaced.

C>> Cheers,
C>>  Cricket

JR> I think there might be a slight danger that the lite version will
JR> satisfy too many persons' needs and take income away from the main
JR> version(s). Take myself, for instance - I only became a Bat user
JR> because I was fed up with Outlook Express pulling back html material
JR> when online and insisting on dialling in when viewing html offline.
JR> The dial-in demand could be disabled but at the expense of affecting
JR> other functions and I wasn't happy with the security aspect of html
JR> handling either.

JR> I didn't want a client with embedded advertising/spyware but needed
JR> good handling of multiple accounts and reasonably powerful filters.
JR> The Bat fitted the bill fine but the networking features, pgp, macros
JR> and templates are all redundant for me. In fact, I disable the mail
JR> ticker, find the editor a pain and also wipe most of the account
JR> default template settings. I'm not saying this is the way it should be
JR> - just that I'm sure there is a section of the market where people's
JR> needs are quite basic but they do not want to use OE or other html
JR> clients.

JR> One of the program's biggest plusses for me is the message dispatcher
JR> - I had no idea it was there for a couple of months until I found it's
JR> use being discussed on the mail list. As a feature, it is just
JR> described in the Help file as 'Manage your mail on the pop server' -
JR> what underselling for new users! An old hand or systems administrator
JR> might recognise the implications of this description straight away but
JR> a lot of people won't. It's an absolute godsend for deleting large
JR> mails, unsolicited or otherwise, without having to download them or
JR> apply a universal size block on a account that stops everything. Yes,
JR> I could telnet into my account but that's obscure for most people and
JR> this feature makes it so much easier. I know people who on being sent
JR> an unsolicited 5mb attachment will just moan about their phone bill
JR> and sit there while it downloads!

JR> My thoughts would be to stick to the current arrangement but to bear
JR> in mind the Bat customer base are a pretty varied lot and easy to use
JR> configuration of features is probably, IMHO, a better option than
JR> producing a lite version.

JR> John Rainer



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Re[3]: The Bat! Lite?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello OK3,

Outlook and Outlook Express aren't good e-mail clients. They do not
handle large amounts of mails well. Corrupted mail boxes is very
common. Eudora is a mastodont. The only one coming close to The Bat!,
and one that would be a "competitor" to a Bat Lite, is Kaufmann's Mail
Warrior. This client is less that 1MB and quite good, but not as
stable as The Bat!

Thursday, May 17, 2001, 6:03:02 AM, you wrote:

O> Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

O> Thursday, May 17, 2001, Jamie Dainton wrote to Christian Dysthe about
O> The Bat! Lite?:

JD>> I never thought I'd do this but I'm going to recommend a Microsoft
JD>> product.   If   you   need   a   basic   e-mail   client  with  no
JD>> advanced^H^H^H^H  features  then  Outlook Express is probably what
JD>> you need.

O> Maybe even Microsoft Internet Mail.



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Mail folders

[Silviu Cojocaru]

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Importing messages

[Joakim Nilsson]

Hi,

Is it possible to import messages from Outlook 2002 (Preview copy) to
The Bat! v. 1.52f?

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Re[4]: The Bat! Lite?

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Christian Dysthe,
wrote on Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 11:42:24 (GMT -0500), 
which was 18:42 in Bratislava --

CD> The only one coming close to The Bat!, and one that would be a
CD> "competitor" to a Bat Lite, is Kaufmann's Mail Warrior. This
CD> client is less that 1MB and quite good, but not as stable as The
CD> Bat!

Your assessment, Christian, is only true for Western Europeans / US
Americans. AFAIR Kaufman's Mail Warrior is not multilingual (employs
only one Western encoding) and therefore completely useless for me and
myriads of other current Bat! users. Please remember that The Bat! is
the second most popular mail client right after OE in Russia, a
country of a quarter billion people -- none of these could so much as
send a message with Mail Warrior. And, at the time I tested it about 9
months ago, it used to crash often.

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SOT: TB! lists

[IronHand]

Hello!

It's a silly one. How to subscribe TBTECH and TBOT?

Best regards
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Re[5]: The Bat! Lite?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello Avenarius,

I started this thread based on personal preferences. There are also
mailers out there that is only in for instance German or Chinese
(Foxmail 3.0 is an example of the latter) that I can't use.

I am fully aware of the limitations in Mail Warrior and other
applications when it comes to multilingual support. But I was
talking about basic mail functionality and I did not include multi
lingual support in my "list" of what could be removed in a Lite version.
I am a Norwegian living in the US having to cope with three letters
from my alphabet not being available to me, at least on my keyboard. :)

Finally, what I said about Mail Warrior was "coming close", I did not
state that is equal in any shape or form. But it would be a
"competitor", especially when/if Kaufmann adds multi language support.

Thursday, May 17, 2001, 12:26:56 PM, you wrote:

A> A Bat-fellow, Christian Dysthe,
A> wrote on Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 11:42:24 (GMT -0500), 
A> which was 18:42 in Bratislava --

CD>> The only one coming close to The Bat!, and one that would be a
CD>> "competitor" to a Bat Lite, is Kaufmann's Mail Warrior. This
CD>> client is less that 1MB and quite good, but not as stable as The
CD>> Bat!

A> Your assessment, Christian, is only true for Western Europeans / US
A> Americans. AFAIR Kaufman's Mail Warrior is not multilingual (employs
A> only one Western encoding) and therefore completely useless for me and
A> myriads of other current Bat! users. Please remember that The Bat! is
A> the second most popular mail client right after OE in Russia, a
A> country of a quarter billion people -- none of these could so much as
A> send a message with Mail Warrior. And, at the time I tested it about 9
A> months ago, it used to crash often.



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Re: SOT: TB! lists

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On 16 May 2001 at 00:07:47 +0200 (which was 23:07 where I live) IronHand
thoughtfully wrote the following

> It's a silly one. How to subscribe TBTECH and TBOT?

The TBTECH sub address is on the bottom of this (and all TBUDL) message

TBOT is on www.yahoogroups.com and you can get on it by using
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Re: SOT: TB! lists

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Hi IronHand,

On 16 May 2001 at  00:07:47 +0200 (which was 23:07 where I  live)
IronHand wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

I> It's a silly one. How to subscribe TBTECH and TBOT?

For TBTech see below
For TBOT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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DEAD HORSE'S ROTTING CORPSE (was Re: The Bat! Lite?)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Christian,

On 17 May 2001 at  12:47:13 -0500 (which was 18:47 where I  live)
Christian Dysthe wrote to Avenarius and made these points:

CD> I started this thread based on personal preferences.


And I put a end to it hours ago. Please take it off-list.


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Re: The Bat! Lite?

[Silviu Cojocaru]

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Thursday, May 17, 2001, 8:26:56 PM, Avenarius wrote:

> Your assessment, Christian, is only true for Western Europeans
/ US
> Americans. AFAIR Kaufman's Mail Warrior is not multilingual
(employs
> only one Western encoding) and therefore completely useless
for me and
> myriads of other current Bat! users. Please remember that The
Bat! is
> the second most popular mail client right after OE in Russia,
a
> country of a quarter billion people -- none of these could so
much as
> send a message with Mail Warrior. And, at the time I tested it
about 9
> months ago, it used to crash often.


Internationalisation may be good and it may be bad. If it's done
badly then better not have it at all. I prefer TB! in English, I
find it more intuitive that way.

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Re: The Bat! Lite? - Super Horse!!!

[Nick Danger]

Subject: The Bat! Lite?
   From: Silviu Cojocaru
  Dated: Thu, 17 May 2001, 21:48:04 (1:48:04 PM Local)
~~

Hey Marck,

  I just had to have a horse put to sleep last Summer, want me to give
you the number of my vet?  It is still dead the last I knew!

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 I thought, "Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway."


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ascii bat (was: The Bat! Lite? - Super Horse!!!)

[Peter Meyns]

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On Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 21:01 (my local time), Nick Danger
presented us with these thoughts about "The Bat! Lite? - Super Horse!!!":

ND>  It is still dead the last I knew!

Hi Nick, that's right.
But I really like your ascii bat! :o))

   (,_,_,_,)
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Problem sending mail.

[John Phillips]

Hello fellow Bat! fans.

Hello fellow Bat! fans.

I have a problem at times sending mail.

I highlight section of a message, F4, and type my reply.

Send later.

Sits in outbox; outbox although in bold type, does not recognise that
there any messages there (No numerical indicator).

I notice the message is marked as "unread".

I change the status of the message  to read.  Outbox now counts as 1
message.

Still will not send, converts message back to unread status.

For instance, this message.  Clicked on send now, same problem (except
it is not an F4 edit message).  Outbox initially has a green folder,
after message is changed to "unread", outbox changes to a red folder.

Sorry if I am not making myself clear, English is my second language,
I am an Australian ha ha ha.

Now happened twice.  Is this a bug / feature / me?  (Probably the
last! )


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Re: Problem sending mail.

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hello John,

Thursday, May 17, 2001, 3:48:01 PM, you wrote:

JP> Hello fellow Bat! fans.

JP> I have a problem at times sending mail.
JP> I highlight section of a message, F4, and type my reply.
JP> Send later.
JP> Sits in outbox; outbox although in bold type, does not recognise that
JP> there any messages there (No numerical indicator).
JP> I notice the message is marked as "unread".
JP> I change the status of the message  to read.  Outbox now counts as 1
JP> message.
JP> Still will not send, converts message back to unread status.

JP> Now happened twice.  Is this a bug / feature / me?  (Probably the
JP> last! )

I performed all the same steps as you did and it works perfectly for
me.  When I queue it to the Outbox I see "1" for number of queued
messages.  My message also has a status of "read".

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Re: Problem sending mail.

[Dave Gorman]

Hello John,

Thursday, May 17, 2001, 2:48:01 PM, you wrote:

JP> Sits in outbox; outbox although in bold type, does not recognise that
JP> there any messages there (No numerical indicator).

JP> I notice the message is marked as "unread".

JP> I change the status of the message  to read.  Outbox now counts as 1
JP> message.

JP> Still will not send, converts message back to unread status.

If I understand correctly what you're saying, it sounds like the same thing that
baffled me in the beginning.

In the account properties, on the Transport section, is "Delivery" marked as
"Immediate" or "Deferred"? If my guess is correct, you have "Deferred" selected
when you probably want "Immediate" selected.

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Re: fancy feature

[André Engelhardt]

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Hello Catalin,

 On Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 14:09:29GMT +0300 (which was 1:09:29 PM where I live) 
you wrote:

CO> Hello,

CO> It will be nice to be able to change the icon for accounts
CO> (which now is a @). I have many accounts, and I think it wouldn't be
CO> too bad to be able to distinguish them this way.

CO> Best regards,
CO>Catalin  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


I second that, it would also be great to have a drop down menu for the
tree view to select the accounts you want to view the folder structure
for.

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Re: Kind of a cosmetic bug and a Q...

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Thu, 17 May 2001 18:01:27 +0200, ANT-ilic wrote these words of wisdom:

Ai> I used this filters to add people to address book... When I get a
Ai> messages from somebody new (or address as changed) I place it in a
Ai> folder and hot-key that folder... There is another filter that will
Ai> filter all people from that Group in right folder...

Ai> Any ideas on how to do this automatically? What I need is when I
Ai> drag/move a message to a sub-folder, to put sender in a certain group
Ai> in Address book...

Do you wish to create a single manual filter that will move the message to
a particular folder and also add the sender to your address book?

There's no way of triggering a filter by the act of moving a message. In
this context filters may only be triggered manually or upon reading the
message or upon relying to the message.

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Encodings (was DEAD ROTTING HORSE)

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Silviu Cojocaru,
wrote on Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 21:48:04 (GMT +0300), 
which was 20:48 in Bratislava --

SC> Internationalisation may be good and it may be bad. If it's done
SC> badly then better not have it at all. I prefer TB! in English, I
SC> find it more intuitive that way.

Well, I didn't mean the menu. I use the English menu as well. I meant
the various text encodings and The Bat! is without competition here.

Although: Outlook Express supports Unicode UTF-7 and UTF-8 encodings
and when I received such an UTF mail written all in English recently,
I couldn't read it. Or was I dumb and there was an easy way to read it
with The Bat?

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Connection Center Focus

[Yuki Taga]

All:

I have the Show Connection Center set to 'Automatically'.  This results in
the CC popping up when I open TB, but unfortunately (as far as I'm
concerned) the CC does not get the focus.  So, in order to actually see
what is going on, I have to click on the task bar to bring CC up.

To me, this is a design flaw.  If we want the CC displayed, we want it to
have the focus when TB opens.  Otherwise, we can hide it.  Is there a way
to set this so it works like I would like?

Sure wish there was a way to get the status of the retrieval (how many
messages are on the server, and the progress of the download) into the main
TB window.  For me, having this information displayed in the Log Panel
would be much more useful than the rather bland FETCH command reports that
are displayed there now.  But in lieu of that, I'd sure like to at least
have the CC get the focus when I open TB.  This should be a per-user
setting, of course, since not everyone would probably want this.

Best,

Yuki ^_^

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Read only files - again

[Shauna Scott]

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Hello All,

I discovered today that all of my ACCOUNT.LOG files were marked "Read
Only" - and have been since Oct 24, 2000 (my guess is that I installed
a new version of TB that day - there was a new version announcement,
at any rate - but why that would cause files to be marked "Read Only"
is beyond me). That caused me to search through my account
directories, and I see that several other ACCOUNT.* files are also
marked "Read Only" - not all of them, and not the same ones in each
account, except that all instances of the ACCOUNT.SRT file are "Read
Only". Before I go ahead and change all the attributes, does anyone
know if some of these files are *supposed* to be read only?


Best regards,
Shauna

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Hard reset needed - TB crashes 1.52f

[Mark G.]

Hello BatPeople,

I had the Bat v1.52f (business user licence) lock up
my system completely three times today. My system is a
Dell WinNT 4.0 Server SP6a running IIS 4.0 fully patched
and Cold Fusion App. server 4.51.

The lock up required a hard reset - CTRL-ALT-DEL
(the three finger salute) didn't work and the mouse
was frozen.

I could repeat it by running the bat and then poking
around with view, options and other tools. Auto retrieve
of mail is on at one minute intervals. Using IMAP4
with an Exchange 5.5 server as mail host. Also using
anonymous LDAP services offered from the same exchange
server.

No other apps were running except Windows NT Explorer
and maybe IE.

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Re[2]: Problem sending mail.

[John Phillips]

Hello Dave
You wrote  On Thu, 17 May 2001, at 15:29:02 [GMT -0500] (06:29 Australian Eastern 
Time,Friday):

> In the account properties, on the Transport section, is "Delivery" marked as
> "Immediate" or "Deferred"? If my guess is correct, you have "Deferred" selected
> when you probably want "Immediate" selected.


Thnks for the replies.  What caused the problem was the isp being a
little too "cute" for my liking. Changed my Dial Up Connection to the
other isp & no longer a trouble.

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Re: ad only files - again

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Thu, 17 May 2001 16:35:05 -0600, Shauna graced us with these comments:

SS> I discovered today that all of my ACCOUNT.LOG files were marked "Read
SS> Only" - and have been since Oct 24, 2000 (my guess is that I installed
SS> a new version of TB that day - there was a new version announcement,
SS> at any rate - but why that would cause files to be marked "Read Only"
SS> is beyond me). That caused me to search through my account
SS> directories, and I see that several other ACCOUNT.* files are also
SS> marked "Read Only" - not all of them, and not the same ones in each
SS> account, except that all instances of the ACCOUNT.SRT file are "Read
SS> Only". Before I go ahead and change all the attributes, does anyone
SS> know if some of these files are *supposed* to be read only?

No they're not supposed to be. You can safely disable the read only
attribute on these files. That's the only way they can be updated when you
make a change.

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Re[2]: Kind of a cosmetic bug and a Q...

[ANT-ilic]

Hi A Curtis Martin,

  On the Thursday, May 17, 2001, U wrote:

Ai>> I used this filters to add people to address book... When I get a
Ai>> messages from somebody new (or address as changed) I place it in a
Ai>> folder and hot-key that folder... There is another filter that will
Ai>> filter all people from that Group in right folder...

Ai>> Any ideas on how to do this automatically? What I need is when I
Ai>> drag/move a message to a sub-folder, to put sender in a certain group
Ai>> in Address book...

ACM> Do you wish to create a single manual filter that will move the
ACM> message to a particular folder and also add the sender to your
ACM> address book?

I created a filter that moves all people belonging to a group in
Address book... I wanted to filter new senders I manually added to
that folder...

ACM> There's no way of triggering a filter by the act of moving a
ACM> message. In this context filters may only be triggered manually
ACM> or upon reading the message or upon relying to the message.

I always found trigger upon reading not to work as I expected them
to... But you gave me better idea... So I'd make a manual filter
to move messages and to add them to Address book, and see if its
triggered...
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Till the next time, all the best...
  ANT-ilic



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Filters

[Calvin]

I was wondering how to set up a filter, so that only mail with the to
address is kept, all other mail is deleted.I want all mail with
[EMAIL PROTECTED] in the "to" section kept, and all else deleted from
the server.


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Re: Hard reset needed - TB crashes 1.52f

[Karin Spaink]

On 18-05-2001 at 01:02, Mark G. kindly wrote:

> I had the Bat v1.52f (business user licence) lock up
> my system completely three times today. My system is a
> Dell WinNT 4.0 Server SP6a running IIS 4.0 fully patched
> and Cold Fusion App. server 4.51.
> The lock up required a hard reset - CTRL-ALT-DEL
> (the three finger salute) didn't work and the mouse
> was frozen. (..)
> Anyone else had problems like this?

Nope, not this. But TB 1.52 has crashed a few times upon
closing down ("access violation bla-di-bla"), which is a
novelty.


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Re: ad only files - again

[Shauna Scott]

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Hello All,

On 2001-05-17, A Curtis Martin wrote:


ACM> No they're not supposed to be. You can safely disable the read only
ACM> attribute on these files. That's the only way they can be updated when you
ACM> make a change.

Thanks Allie - though I must have changed something I shouldn't have
(I did change the attributes on several other files, but I thought I
was working at the folder level, not the account level), because all
my ACCOUNT.CFG files, some of my address books, and a couple of
ACCOUNT.FLX files disappeared - fortunately, I had recent back-ups.


Best Regards
Shauna

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Using The Bat! Version 1.53 Beta/6 on Windows 2000, SP1

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