Re[2]: Problems opening certain messages in version beyond 1.49 (was: can't print)

[Richard Stephens]

Hello Karin,

Thursday, July 19, 2001, 6:59:44 PM, you wrote:

Karin> On 19-07-2001 at 11:15, Richard Stephens kindly wrote:

>> OK, my friend, here is the story: (..)

>> I discovered that when I tried to scroll through my messages it got
>> "stuck" on some of them and would not display.  I would click on the
>> message on the upper part of the screen and on the lower part, it
>> displayed a former message.  It happened on just some messages but not
>> all.  The strange thing is that it happened on different messages
>> from the same person.  Some would open and some would not.

Karin> Can you discern any common trait between those messages? For
Karin> me, it *only* hapens on my laptop, and *only* with html
Karin> mail. TB will not display them; and when I attempt to reply
Karin> to such a message, I get a completely blank mail with only
Karin> me as the sender filled in. On occasion, TB will even hang
Karin> on attempting to open such a message and then I need the
Karin> Taskmanager to close it.

I looked like crazy trying to find some common trait in the messages
TB chose to not display or open but there was nothing that I could
see.  Some were html, some were not, some had attachments, some did
not, some had URL references, some did not, and so on and on.  Plus
the fact that by closing TB and then reopening it, I could see the
unopenable mail makes me suspicious.  Add to that the fact that this
is happening to others, the only conclusion that I can come to is that
there is an unidentifiable bug running in the new versions that is
causing conflicts on some machines.  Maybe someday they will discover
it and I can have a fulling operative program...

But I am just
mumbling not really complaining bitterly.. TB continues to be the
greatest mail program I know.


Best regards 
Un saludo de Richard
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www.lagamella.com

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Quotestyle (was: TXT import)

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On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 7:49:03 PM you wrote:

>  >Hello Mars!
>  >
>  >On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 1:49:22 PM you wrote:
>  >

Is it possible to make Eudora use a quote prefix without a blank
before it? I can't remember exactly, but I think so ...


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Re: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?

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On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 3:58:30 AM you wrote:

> Yes. Go to your account properties, under the File &
> Directories menu, and cross "Bind attachments only while
> sending out mail". Done!

Beware, beware! I did it like that for months till I noticed that
deleting the "attachment" from the mail - either by hand or through
automatic trashing - you *lose the actual file*.

It created a very embarrassing situation with a TV studio I sent a
treatment to and have to ask for a copy after realising that TB! had
deleted the original file.

So, I'm back to TB!'s default and once in a while a little hand job.


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Re: IMAP?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Rob!

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 10:57:02 PM you wrote:

> TB's implementation of IMAP works just like POP3 ... it does not connect to
> an IMAP server like Outlook does and lets you work on the remote server ;
> it insists on retrieving your mail and storing it locally, which kind of
> defeats the idea behind IMAP (imho).

Not as long as it leaves the messages on the server, which IMHO is the
idea behind IMAP.


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Re: TB! won't download messages when configured for Norton AV 2001

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Hello Andrew!

On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 1:31:46 AM you wrote:

> It's strange though - the NAV helpfile says that NAV should support "Any
> other POP3 email client, including many shareware clients" as long as
> they are configured manually - and I know I am configuring NAV properly.

What would you tell a potential customer "Don't buy me, I'm a bad
product, not at all secure and don't ask for compatibility?"*

For about a year I used NAV and had more problems than if I got myself
a virus. The main problem was its performance and the resources it
hogs. Another one was that its e-mail checking wasn't very good. It
may be easy to use (I doubt it, having installed F-Secure, which
performs and handles much better in every respect), but its scanning
is only mediocre.


*That should actually be an ad for W2K ...



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Re: splash screen

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Hello Marck!

On Friday, July 20, 2001 at 2:41:18 AM you wrote:

> :-) You did. Change your TB shortcut to use the /NOLOGO command line
> parameter and that will disable the splash screen.

Since this is only possible for shortcuts (Start menu, Desktop link),
I'd really like to see an option under Preferences. Nearly all other
programmes under Win9x have this.



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Re: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?

[Nick Andriash]

On July 19, 2001, at 6:58:30 PM -0700, Karin Spaink wrote:

> Yes. Go to your account properties, under the File & Directories
> menu, and cross "Bind attachments only while sending out mail".
> Done!

What do you mean by "cross"? Check or uncheck?

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Re: wierd

[Nick Andriash]

On July 18, 2001, at 5:34:37 PM -0700, Gergely Vandor wrote:

> I've recently made a clean install of Win98SE and the latest TB. I
> set TB to keep messages on the server. To my surprise, a friend of
> mine started receiving my incoming messages in her Hotmail account!
> The headers of these messages contained me as the sender, and my
> name appeared just the way I set it in this clean install of TB (I
> gave only my nickname).

I've never heard of anything like that happening before, to anyone nor
any Mail Client. It's too much of a coincidence that those messages
arrive at your *friends* computer. I certainly wouldn't blame TB! for
that. Take a look at the settings on your friends computer as well to
make sure things are fine there.

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Re[2]: IMAP?

[Jim and CJ Tinkle]

Thanks, but it is set to "regular".  I think I'll just leave it as a
pop3 and leave the messages on the server:o)

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Re: IMAP?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hi All,

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 at 17:51:07 GMT -0500 (which was 20/07/2001 5:51
GMT  +0700  my Local Time) "Jim and CJ Tinkle"=[JaC] wrote to Sandor
SZAKACS-VASS :

> I did set it up as a regular Pop3 account, then just changed it from
> pop3 to imapno luck.  For now til I found a work around, I'm just
> leaving the messages on the server so the rest of the staff can get to
> them as well.

Check  POP  Authentication  setting,  set  it  to Regular instead of
MD5-APOP/CRAM.

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Re: TXT import

[Thomas F]

Hi Chema,

On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:54:57 +0200GMT (20/07/2001, 06:54 +0800GMT),
Chema Berian wrote:

CB>  It is a server related bug. A server misinterpreted the line starting
CB>  with  "From"  as two messages in the same stream. Servers can use the
CB>  same  connection  for  several  messages if all of them have the same
CB>  recipient.

My bug report to myrealbox.com will be sent with a copy to TBOT.

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Re: Automatic mailcheck does not work [please help]

[Shahar]

I had this problem on my M$ 98 box. It showed up on ver 1.53d.
Now I have a new Laptop with NT4 on it and it does dial and check mail
periodically.

On Friday, July 20, 2001, at 03:17:29, Jan wrote to Shahar about:
Automatic mailcheck does not work [please help]


>>> [...] Since some days TheBat! doesn't check for e-mails automatically
>>> anymore.

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Frustrating Account Problem!

[Keith Russell]

The other day, I installed Windows XP Preview and proceeded to
reinstall my applications.

I have my mail data stored in a different logical drive than the
application. My goal was to have TB accessing the same data from both
Windows ME and XP.

Unfortunately, my inexperiences with multi-user Windows caused me
problems. I first installed successfully as Administrator. I then
switched to user Keith and TB wasn't listed in the Start menu. So I
reinstalled again to the same directory (first mistake). When I was
prompted for the mail directory, I entered the wrong directory (second
mistake!). I added my main account (XMission) and, of course, got an
account with just the default folders. (I somehow managed to get a few
messages as well, but only about 20.) When I realized what I had done,
I changed the default mail directory and added my other accounts;
everything went fine.

I've tried everything to get TB to display my XMission folders and
messages properly, but all to no avail. Worse yet, if I switch to my
Administrator account, now TB shows just the 4 default folders and the
20 messages. I even rebooted in Win ME mode, and got the same 4
folders and 20 messages!

My data is still all there in the proper location. Why is The Bat! not
finding it???

Help!

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Re[3]: TB! won't download messages when configured for Norton AV 2001

[David Cohen]

Hello Andrew,

Thursday, July 19, 2001, 7:31:46 PM, you wrote:

AJP> It's strange though - the NAV helpfile says that NAV should support "Any
AJP> other POP3 email client, including many shareware clients" as long as
AJP> they are configured manually - and I know I am configuring NAV properly.

I also had problems setting up NAV with TB! Nothing worked until I
removed NAV from the hard drive and then reinstalled it. It now works
OK, although NAV greatly slows down downloading messages.

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Re: altering how the Bat! stores attachments?

[Karin Spaink]

On 19-07-2001 at 23:15, Charlie Laidlaw kindly wrote:

> Is it possible to make it not store _any_ copies in the attachments
> directory, but just use the photo in its original location (my photos
> folder)?
> Or  is it possible to just stop this duplication, so if the same photo
> is sent out in several posts, only one copy is stored?

Yes. Go to your account properties, under the File &
Directories menu, and cross "Bind attachments only while
sending out mail". Done!


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Re: Automatic mailcheck does not work [please help]

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Listers.

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 17:40:21 [ +0200 GMT], Cilfa wrote the
following in regards to 'Automatic mailcheck does not work [please
help]':

>> [...] Since some days TheBat! doesn't check for e-mails automatically
>> anymore. "Account Properties" hasn't changed, "Periodical
>> checking" is checked, value is 5 min. I can't remember changing
>> any other setting, but there is probably a very silly checkmark
>> somewhere I have overlooked. [...]

  I have found that TB! doesn't *always* check e-mails automatically
  also. Checking the connection dialogue indicates that TB! isn't
  connected to the mail server any more yet the connection is
  perfectly ok. I don't understand...

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Re: splash screen

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On 20 July 2001 at  20:04:29 -0400 (which was 01:04 where I live)
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BW> Why isn't there an option to disable the splash screen?  Or did I
BW> overlook it?

:-) You did. Change your TB shortcut to use the /NOLOGO command line
parameter and that will disable the splash screen.

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splash screen

[Benson Wills]

Why isn't there an option to disable the splash screen?  Or did I
overlook it?


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Re[2]: wierd

[Gergely Vandor]

Hello Dierk,

Thursday, July 19, 2001, 8:52:11 AM, you wrote:

>> Maybe someone has an explanation for this? :)

DH> Did you inadvertently set a filter, or change something in a filter,
DH> for incoming mail? check your sorting office.

My sorting office is empty. As I said, it's an almost 100% default
configuration of TB. If I can recreate this, we have a huge bug
here...

Cheers,

Gergely


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Re[2]: TB! won't download messages when configured for Norton AV 2001

[Andrew John Preater]

Hello Peter,

Thursday, July 19, 2001, 11:11:41 AM, you wrote:

PP> Is there _any_ chance NAV simply runs out of resources  while
PP> checking the "incoming stream" for viruses?

I've checked it, and this is definitely not the problem.

PP> IIRC you said TB! works perfectly w/o NAV, and if you change your settings
PP> within TB! to NAV it does quite the same it would do on any other POP-Server,
PP> it does what the POP-protocol tells to do.

I suppose it _must_ be a problem with NAV, then.

PP> So I'd suggest it's a NAV-related problem, may be you are able to run NAV in
PP> some kind of 'debug loggin' modus, I dunno as I do not use it.

NAV doesn't, AFAIK, have any sort of option.  But I will have a proper
look around and see.

It's strange though - the NAV helpfile says that NAV should support "Any
other POP3 email client, including many shareware clients" as long as
they are configured manually - and I know I am configuring NAV properly.

Strange.  I guess I could ask Norton's support people about this one,
but I am expecting an automated email response that's no help.

Thanks anyway.

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Re: TXT import

[Chema Berian]

Hello Listers, 

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001,  at 16:44:31 [GMT +0800] (which was 10:44 where I
live)  Thomas wrote:

DH>> Very easy: You have to insert a "From" line before the first
DH>> (Return-path) of the messages.

DH>> When he told me, I felt very stupid, since we often enough mentioned
DH>> that the "From" line is used as the "Here begins message" indicator
DH>> under UNIX.

TF> And under TB too? This explains why the message is split at that line.
TF> Good it is not. Did anybody else experience the same as me?

 It is a server related bug. A server misinterpreted the line starting
 with  "From"  as two messages in the same stream. Servers can use the
 same  connection  for  several  messages if all of them have the same
 recipient.

 TB is not affected *if* server didn't.

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Re[2]: IMAP?

[Jim and CJ Tinkle]

I did set it up as a regular Pop3 account, then just changed it from
pop3 to imapno luck.  For now til I found a work around, I'm just
leaving the messages on the server so the rest of the staff can get to
them as well.

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Re[2]: IMAP?

[Jim and CJ Tinkle]

 No, it just says connecting, login okay, then nothing.

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Re: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?

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On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:51:25 +0200, Karin wrote these words of
wisdom:

...
>> I understand that I can copy, alt-tab to a browser, move the
>> focus to the address bar, paste in the address, press enter, then
>> alt-tab back to TB!. 

KS> Ahh... The AIMkey program that was discussed here recently
KS> could store these keystrokes for you, so then you could
KS> create your own keyboard shortcut.

KS> Allie, what do you think? You're the AIMkeys specialist
KS> around here.

Indeed this can be done and what we've been doing Karin, with using
TB!'s editor with Agent is a more complex task than the one being
proposed.

With AIM Keys, you could highlight the URL and hit the macro
shortcut and everything would be executed.

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altering how the Bat! stores attachments?

[Charlie Laidlaw]

i  looked in my attachments directory, and i see that if i've sent out
the  same photo in several different posts, theBat! is storing another
copy each time, adding 1/2/3...

Is it possible to make it not store _any_ copies in the attachments
directory, but just use the photo in its original location (my photos
folder)?

Or  is it possible to just stop this duplication, so if the same photo
is sent out in several posts, only one copy is stored?

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Re: IMAP?

[Rob]

Hello all,

on Wed, 18 Jul 2001, at 07:19:03 local time (GMT -0500), Jim wrote:

> The only thing so far I seem to be having troubles with is IMAP. I set up
> one of my work accounts as an IMAP account, and while it shows checking,
> logging on okay, etc, I never receive any email.

does it show total, new and unread mails at the bottom of the dispatch
window ?
i'm using IMAP4 to connect to the server at work and it works ... in a way.

> This works fine in Outlook.

TB's implementation of IMAP works just like POP3 ... it does not connect to
an IMAP server like Outlook does and lets you work on the remote server ;
it insists on retrieving your mail and storing it locally, which kind of
defeats the idea behind IMAP (imho).

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Re: TXT import

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At 05:34 PM 7/19/01 +0200, you wrote:
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 >On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 1:49:22 PM you wrote:
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 >> I tried clicking Tools/Import like that, but, it did nothing.  Was like I
 >> never clicked anything
 >
 >Did you follow the thread? The first line of every message has to be a
 >"From" line. I inserted it by hand for 24 messages in one file ...

I found that if I even tried clicking on the menu option, I couldn't get to 
select where was the file to import located.

Never mind, works now it seems, menu appears!


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Re: IMAP?

[Sandor SZAKACS-VASS]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:20:46 -0400
"Browning, Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have IMAP accounts also. The only way I have seen to get your messages
> is through the Message Dispatcher. Account|Dispatch Mail On Server|All

I'm not sure if I understand correctly the problem, but I've no problem
getting messages from my IMAP server. I created the account saying (lying:)
that the server was POP3 style (the only choice proposed by TB at
account-creation time) and then (even if getting the messages wasn't
working) I was able to change the protocol in Account/Properties/Transport
from POP3 to IMAP.

My conclusion: if you want to use an IMAP server, you have to create the
account with a POP3 server and after that change the protocol from POP3 to
IMAP.

In my opinion, this is another point where the documentation is not very
clear. I had the idea to create the account even if the only choice was POP3
after I've read (in the help) that the authors consider that IMAP is a
superset of POP3 and they say for the "POP3 server" that "Your incoming
e-mail server must use one of the two Internet-mail communications protocols
POP (Post Office Protocol) or IMAP"...

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Re: Focus shifting

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Karin!

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 6:45:01 PM you wrote:

>>From main window to folder:  Tab
>>From folder to message:  Tab
>>From folder list to message: Enter

> To go one step back: Esc

It's not what I outlined.

> [Btw, I have been using Agent since - when? 1996, I think -
> and I never knew about <1>, <2> and <3>. I just go Tabbing
> and Escaping to and fro.

Try it, it's a charm to work with; you just need a handful of keyboard
shortcuts to navigate through the postings: >1>, <2>, <3>,  and
. Together with a scroll mouse for longer postings, everything
you need. They are documented, so I'm a bit surprised you never
stumbled upon them.



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Re: Automatic mailcheck does not work [please help]

[Cilfa]

Hi,

Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> Have you checked the Network and Administration settings? There's a
> switch in there to perform "no automatic dial for periodical mail
> checking".

I have, but since I'm connected to the internet using a LAN (and
finally ADSL, no dial-up) this setting is not available.
Still searching...

Regards,

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Re: Focus shifting

[Karin Spaink]

On 19-07-2001 at 17:45, Dierk Haasis kindly wrote:

>   OK, here you can see how good TB! is now, I am beginning to ask for
>   minor cosmetics:

> I'd like to see the ability to change panes in the main window
> the way Agent does it, by choosing only the numbers <1>, <2>
> or <3>. Much easier and faster than  or +.

>From main window to folder:  Tab
>From folder to message:  Tab
>From folder list to message: Enter

To go one step back: Esc

[Btw, I have been using Agent since - when? 1996, I think -
and I never knew about <1>, <2> and <3>. I just go Tabbing
and Escaping to and fro.


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Re: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?

[Karin Spaink]

On 19-07-2001 at 14:38, Erik kindly wrote:

> I understand that I can copy, alt-tab to a browser, move the focus to
> the address bar, paste in the address, press enter, then alt-tab back
> to TB!. I just thought there would be something simple within TB!,
> since it already has a multitude of other useful features.  Anyway,
> since a "launching urls from the keyboard" feature is not present, I
> will look into developing a workaround for myself.  Thanks for all
> your responses.

Ahh... The AIMkey program that was discussed here recently
could store these keystrokes for you, so then you could
create your own keyboard shortcut.

Allie, what do you think? You're the AIMkeys specialist
around here.


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Re: Problems opening certain messages in version beyond 1.49 (was: can't print)

[Karin Spaink]

On 19-07-2001 at 11:15, Richard Stephens kindly wrote:

> OK, my friend, here is the story: (..)

> I discovered that when I tried to scroll through my messages it got
> "stuck" on some of them and would not display.  I would click on the
> message on the upper part of the screen and on the lower part, it
> displayed a former message.  It happened on just some messages but not
> all.  The strange thing is that it happened on different messages
> from the same person.  Some would open and some would not.

Can you discern any common trait between those messages? For
me, it *only* hapens on my laptop, and *only* with html
mail. TB will not display them; and when I attempt to reply
to such a message, I get a completely blank mail with only
me as the sender filled in. On occasion, TB will even hang
on attempting to open such a message and then I need the
Taskmanager to close it.

The only recourse seems to be to close TB and then read the
message. TB will allow me to read *one* html mail per
session... (I don't like html mail either, but this goes a
bit too far ;-))

My laptop has the exact same configuration as my desktop
computer. Copying all account information makes no
difference. On bit machines, I run WinNT with SP6a.


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Re[2]: copying Bat configuration?

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  Marck,

MDP> The simple answer for an administrator type person is to use the
MDP> contents of the registry key:

MDP>  HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!

MDP> and import that across the board. With it copy the basic Account.*
MDP> files from the TB mail folder. Each copy will then need personalising
MDP> for each user's own name and address (from, reply-to, etc.), but the
MDP> bulk of the configuration will be transported.

Between this and Karl's suggestions, I think we've padded my bet that
this can work more than comfortably.

Thanks guys :)


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Re: copying Bat configuration?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Matt,

On 19 July 2001 at  13:36:12 -0400 (which was 18:36 where I live)
Matt Cahill wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

MC>   My question is this: if I go ahead and purchase a license for
MC> The Bat (for several systems), is there a way I can copy the
MC> settings I've made to my local copy onto the other systems?
MC> Obviously, I don't want certain people in my company who aren't
MC> "savvy" getting freaked out that it's not as easy to mess with as
MC> Outlook, so if I could just copy some sort of config file, that'd
MC> be great.

MC>   Any ideas?

The simple answer for an administrator type person is to use the
contents of the registry key:

 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!

and import that across the board. With it copy the basic Account.*
files from the TB mail folder. Each copy will then need personalising
for each user's own name and address (from, reply-to, etc.), but the
bulk of the configuration will be transported.

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Re[4]: copying Bat configuration?

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BK> Have you looked at the synchronise window yet?

  Karl,

  I suppose that would've helped, wouldn't it :)  Yes, it seems that -
for the editor settings at least - I'd be able to export those pretty
easily.  I think that should be fine enough...it's not like we're a
company of 50 or anything, so I should be able to tweak the little
things without too much work.

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Re: Automatic mailcheck does not work [please help]

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Hi Cilfa,

On 19 July 2001 at  17:40:21 +0200 (which was 16:40 where I live)
Cilfa wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

C> Reïnstalling TheBat! doesn't work either, nor does turning
C> 'automatic mailcheck' off and on again, or changing the
C> check-interval values :(

C> Does nobody know the solution? Because this is really driving me nuts,
C> because I have to pop my e-mail very frequently, but can't always
C> invoke the mailcheck manually.

Have you checked the Network and Administration settings? There's a
switch in there to perform "no automatic dial for periodical mail
checking".

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Re: Coloured Quotes

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Hi Nick,

On 19 July 2001 at  09:32:21 -0700 (which was 17:32 where I live)
Nick Andriash wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

NA> Question is, who put the blank line in the quotation so that the
NA> quote isn't shown as one?

It's not a blank line - it's a blank space at the beginning of each
line. Who put it there? Mostly Qualcomm with that Eudora thing they
sell people. Also some Linux mailers seem to like to emulate its poor
standard :-9.

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Re: Focus shifting

[Dave Gorman]

Hello Dierk,

Thursday, July 19, 2001, 10:45:00 AM, you wrote:

DH> I'd like to see the ability to change panes in the main window
DH> the way Agent does it, by choosing only the numbers <1>, <2>
DH> or <3>. Much easier and faster than  or +.

I'll second that motion! Shall we put it up for a vote? 

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RE: Re[2]: copying Bat configuration?

[Browning, Karl]

From: Matt Cahill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>   My only hesitation is that - in the Help File at least - it makes
mention of
> syncing "Account data, folders, address book, etc.", when I'm really only
> interested in the interface, message formatting, and PGP setup.

Have you looked at the synchronise window yet? You can select what you want
to synch up. :)

The choices are:

Account Data
Mail Folders
Address Books
Colour Groups
Attachment Files
Hot Keys
Editor Settings

I hope this helps. Anyone else have ideas?

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Re: Coloured Quotes

[Thomas F]

Hello Nick,

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:32:21 -0700 GMT (20/07/2001, 00:32 +0800 GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

NA> Question is, who put the blank line in the quotation so that the quote
NA> isn't shown as one?

Little green men from Mars? Or maybe Eudora, I don't know.

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Re[2]: copying Bat configuration?

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BK> Have you looked at the synchronise tool? Go to Tools|Synchronise and try
BK> that out. It was designed for using multiple copies of TB! I believe (I know
BK> someone will correct me if I'm wrong ;) ).

  Karl,

  It's going to be hard for me to confirm that (as it would entail
kicking someone off their computer, etc...), but it sounds as if the synchronise 
feature
may do the job.

  My only hesitation is that - in the Help File at least - it makes mention of
syncing "Account data, folders, address book, etc.", when I'm really only
interested in the interface, message formatting, and PGP setup.

  Hopefully, as you mentioned, someone may provide a more
comprehensive answer.

Cheers,


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Re: Coloured Quotes

[Nick Andriash]

On July 19, 2001, at 9:07:38 AM -0700, Thomas F wrote:

> You've answered your own question. The preceeding blank does make the
> difference:

>> colour
>  > no colour

Question is, who put the blank line in the quotation so that the quote
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Re: Coloured Quotes

[Thomas F]

Hello Dierk,

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:32:22 +0200 GMT (19/07/2001, 23:32 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

[fullquote snipped]

DH> As you can see, the quote prefix is prefixed by a blank. But that
DH> shouldn't make difference, since I set my limit to 10 (well, for the
DH> editor; I always thought they apply here, too).

You've answered your own question. The preceeding blank does make the
difference:

> colour
 > no colour

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RE: copying Bat configuration?

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From: Matt Cahill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>   My question is this: if I go ahead and purchase a license for The
> Bat (for several systems), is there a way I can copy the settings I've
> made to my local copy onto the other systems?  Obviously, I don't want
> certain people in my company who aren't "savvy" getting freaked out
> that it's not as easy to mess with as Outlook, so if I could just copy
> some sort of config file, that'd be great.

Have you looked at the synchronise tool? Go to Tools|Synchronise and try
that out. It was designed for using multiple copies of TB! I believe (I know
someone will correct me if I'm wrong ;) ).

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Coloured Quotes

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello TBUDL Members!

  I have a question concerning the colouring of quotes. Sometime I
  receive mails that don't get coloured quotes as they should. Here is
  an example:

Start=
At 09:53 PM 7/18/01 -0400, you wrote:
 >Hi David,
 >
 >On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, at 01:30:19 [GMT +0200] you wrote in the message:
 >
 >> Hello Erik,
 >
 >> On Wednesday, July 18, 2001 at 09:37:06 -0400, Erik [E] wrote
 >> concerning 'Launch URL keyboard shortcut?':
 >
 >E>> Would anyone happen to know if there is a keyboard shortcut to
 >E>> launch the url's in messages?
 >
 >> How would TB! know which URL to open when there are multiple URL's in
 >> a message?
 >
 >Perhaps TB! could parse the url's one at a time, similar to Forte
 >Agent.  Or maybe moving the cursor to the url and pressing enter, or
 >some other key combination.  Anyway, it was just a thought.  It just

Would be easy to do custom kind of things if a Windows mailer would support
piping messages.
===End=

As you can see, the quote prefix is prefixed by a blank. But that
shouldn't make difference, since I set my limit to 10 (well, for the
editor; I always thought they apply here, too).

I wouldn't ask this if it wasn't a bit unusual for me.


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Re[2]: Synching The Bat! address book with Palm

[Tim Musson]

Hey Mars,

Thursday, July 19, 2001, 7:57:14 AM, my MUA believes you used
QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 to write:

MD> Reminds me, how come an archive search for Palmpilot turned up
MD> nothing.  I  thought this odd, and the list must have been around
MD> for a long while.

I don't think it was ever called "Palmpilot" during discussions on the
list, and the name changed a few years ago to just Palm. Try looking
for "palm"...

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copying Bat configuration?

[Matt Cahill]

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  Hello,

  I'm currently testing The Bat for our small business, and so far I'm
liking it very much (though getting the text-editor part setup with
proper justification etc. was a bit of job...I don't necessarily blame this on the
program though).

  My question is this: if I go ahead and purchase a license for The
Bat (for several systems), is there a way I can copy the settings I've
made to my local copy onto the other systems?  Obviously, I don't want
certain people in my company who aren't "savvy" getting freaked out
that it's not as easy to mess with as Outlook, so if I could just copy
some sort of config file, that'd be great.

  Any ideas?

  Cheers,

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Re: TXT import

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Mars!

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 1:49:22 PM you wrote:

> I tried clicking Tools/Import like that, but, it did nothing.  Was like I
> never clicked anything

Did you follow the thread? The first line of every message has to be a
"From" line. I inserted it by hand for 24 messages in one file ...

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Focus shifting

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Hello TBUDL Members!

  OK, here you can see how good TB! is now, I am beginning to ask for
  minor cosmetics:

I'd like to see the ability to change panes in the main window
the way Agent does it, by choosing only the numbers <1>, <2>
or <3>. Much easier and faster than  or +.


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Automatic mailcheck does not work [please help]

[Cilfa]

Hi,

I'm posting this question again, because there was no
working solution to it last time, only reactions from people who had
the same problem, asking if I had a solution yet.

> Since some days TheBat! doesn't check for e-mails automatically
> anymore. "Account Properties" hasn't changed, "Periodical
> checking" is checked, value is 5 min. I can't remember changing
> any other setting, but there is probably a very silly checkmark
> somewhere I have overlooked.
> 
> The program does check my mail when I do that manually. The log
> files don't show that it does it automatically. The connection
> center stuff is set to 'hide', but even when I put that on automatic
> or always, TheBat! doesn't check my e-mail anymore without me
> prompting to do it.

Reïnstalling TheBat! doesn't work either, nor does turning 'automatic
mailcheck' off and on again, or changing the check-interval values :(

Does nobody know the solution? Because this is really driving me nuts,
because I have to pop my e-mail very frequently, but can't always
invoke the mailcheck manually.

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Re: Synching The Bat! address book with Palm

[Mars Descent]

At 01:32 AM 7/17/01 -0700, you wrote:
 >Hi BatFans,
 >
 >A couple weeks ago I did an archives search on synching The Bat!
 >address book with Palm devices. (I have a Palm IIIx) All I found was
 >info on synching email messages with Palm.

That's funny, when I searched, I turned up the opposite.

Reminds me, how come an archive search for Palmpilot turned up nothing.  I 
thought this odd, and the list must have been around for a long while.  


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Re[2]: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?

[Mars Descent]

At 09:53 PM 7/18/01 -0400, you wrote:
 >Hi David,
 >
 >On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, at 01:30:19 [GMT +0200] you wrote in the message:
 >
 >> Hello Erik,
 >
 >> On Wednesday, July 18, 2001 at 09:37:06 -0400, Erik [E] wrote
 >> concerning 'Launch URL keyboard shortcut?':
 >
 >E>> Would anyone happen to know if there is a keyboard shortcut to
 >E>> launch the url's in messages?
 >
 >> How would TB! know which URL to open when there are multiple URL's in
 >> a message?
 >
 >Perhaps TB! could parse the url's one at a time, similar to Forte
 >Agent.  Or maybe moving the cursor to the url and pressing enter, or
 >some other key combination.  Anyway, it was just a thought.  It just

Would be easy to do custom kind of things if a Windows mailer would support 
piping messages.


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Re: TXT import

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At 12:30 AM 7/18/01 +0200, you wrote:
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 >
 >On Tuesday, July 17, 2001 at 17:40:41 +0200, Dierk Haasis [DH] wrote
 >concerning 'TXT import':
 >
 >DH> Is there a way to import messages saved in TXT files back into
 >DH> TB!?
 >
 >Hmmm... Does the txt file include the headers? If so you can import it
 >as Unix mailbox format.

I tried clicking Tools/Import like that, but, it did nothing.  Was like I 
never clicked anything


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Re[2]: New Mail info

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Thursday, July 19, 2001, 7:22:16 AM, you wrote:

BK> From: OK3 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>> Thursday, July 19, 2001, Shot wrote to TBUDL about
>> New Mail info:
>> 
>> S> When new mail arrives, The Bat!'s icon begins to flap its wings. Is
>> S> there  a  way to make it move only if new mail arrives to the Inbox
>> S> folder?
>> 
>> Try  to  use  MailTicker  instead. Tip: you can move it mostly off the
>> screen  so  only  a  small black sqaure will appear and will not crowd
>> your screen.

BK> The problem with this is that the bat keeps on flapping. I believe that what
BK> is desired is for the icon to stop moving if the new messages are not in the
BK> mailbox, but have been filtered to a different folder.

I just turn off the flapping wings completely and use the mail ticker
to indicate that messages have arrived in designated folders. That way
I can pick up on the ones that may need to be dealt with right away
and read the others when I have the time without any distracting
motion in the corner of the screen.

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RE: Re[2]: New Mail info

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From: Shauna Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> I just turn off the flapping wings completely and use the mail ticker
> to indicate that messages have arrived in designated folders. That way
> I can pick up on the ones that may need to be dealt with right away
> and read the others when I have the time without any distracting
> motion in the corner of the screen.

Aha! I had not seen that option in the preferences window. Thanks for
bringing it to my attention.

So: Options|Preferences Uncheck "Icon animation when unread messages are
detected."

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Re: New Mail info

[Nick Danger]

Subject: New Mail Info
   From: Browning, Karl
  Dated: Thu, 19 Jul 2001, 09:22:16 (8:22:16 AM local)
~~

Hello Karl,

>> S> When new mail arrives, The Bat!'s icon begins to flap its wings. Is
>> S> there  a  way to make it move only if new mail arrives to the Inbox
>> S> folder?
>> 
>> Try  to  use  MailTicker  instead. Tip: you can move it mostly off the
>> screen  so  only  a  small black sqaure will appear and will not crowd
>> your screen.

> The problem with this is that the bat keeps on flapping. I believe that what
> is desired is for the icon to stop moving if the new messages are not in the
> mailbox, but have been filtered to a different folder.

At the risk of sounding like I'm hawking a software product, I use
PowerPro in combination with TB!'s ability to run an external program
via filters to set up various colored "flags" to show on screen
depending on which folder mail has arrived in.  These flags can be
whatever size you'd like, I keep mine very small and discrete.  I have
then programmed them to either take me to my virtual desktop where TB!
resides with a right click, or simply reset the flag on a left click.
Works wonderfully for me as a mail notification system.

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Re: New Mail info

[Shot]

Hello.

Browning, Karl wrote:

> I haven't found anything that does this BTW.

The only workaroud I can think of is to make all the messages filtered
out from Inbox made automatically read, but that's not the best way...

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Re[2]: IMAP?

[Jim and CJ Tinkle]

I tried using the Message Dispatcher, still no mail.  Does anyone else
have any suggestions on using IMAP mail?
Regards,
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RE: New Mail info

[Browning, Karl]

From: OK3 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> Thursday, July 19, 2001, Shot wrote to TBUDL about
> New Mail info:
> 
> S> When new mail arrives, The Bat!'s icon begins to flap its wings. Is
> S> there  a  way to make it move only if new mail arrives to the Inbox
> S> folder?
> 
> Try  to  use  MailTicker  instead. Tip: you can move it mostly off the
> screen  so  only  a  small black sqaure will appear and will not crowd
> your screen.

The problem with this is that the bat keeps on flapping. I believe that what
is desired is for the icon to stop moving if the new messages are not in the
mailbox, but have been filtered to a different folder.

I haven't found anything that does this BTW.

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Re: New Mail info

[OK3]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Thursday, July 19, 2001, Shot wrote to TBUDL about
New Mail info:

S> When new mail arrives, The Bat!'s icon begins to flap its wings. Is
S> there  a  way to make it move only if new mail arrives to the Inbox
S> folder?

Try  to  use  MailTicker  instead. Tip: you can move it mostly off the
screen  so  only  a  small black sqaure will appear and will not crowd
your screen.

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New Mail info

[Shot]

Hello.

When  new  mail  arrives, The Bat!'s icon begins to flap its wings. Is
there  a  way  to  make  it move only if new mail arrives to the Inbox
folder?

It would be a very informative feature, but I'm on so many mailing
lists that it moves almost always.

Cheers,
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Re[2]: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?

[Erik]

Hi David,
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, at 12:11:56 [GMT +0200] you wrote in the message:

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> Hello Erik,

> On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 21:53:04 -0400, Erik [E] wrote
> concerning 'Launch URL keyboard shortcut?':

E>> Perhaps TB! could parse the url's one at a time, similar to Forte
E>> Agent.

> I don't know how this works.

In Agent, I am able to go from url/mailto/messageid links in a message
by using ctrl-u.

E>> Or maybe moving the cursor to the url and pressing enter, or some
E>> other key combination.

> Yes maybe this would be a good idea, but don't you think it would be
> easier just clicking on the URL?

Not necessarily. On this end, frequent use of the mouse is
uncomfortable to use, for various reasons. I just thought it would be
useful.

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Re[2]: TXT import

[Michael Hahn]

Hi, Thomas:

TF> OK. Then my question to the list is: Did anybody else with a
TF> myrealbox account have this problem? If so, we should report it to
TF> the people there. If not, Marck will have to think about a new
TF> threory. ;-)

Confirmed here--two messages, with one filtering to my TB! folder and
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Re[2]: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?

[Erik]

Hi Peter,
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, at 12:22:32 [GMT +0200] you wrote in the message:

> *eeehhhmmm* .. I don't need the mous mouse that ... OK, opening URL's I do
> often with mouse but that's pure cosmetic.
> There's no problem to select the URL with the keyboard (even wordwise
> selection with using the -key does work!!!), copy it and paste it into
> the browser address bar 

I understand that I can copy, alt-tab to a browser, move the focus to
the address bar, paste in the address, press enter, then alt-tab back
to TB!. I just thought there would be something simple within TB!,
since it already has a multitude of other useful features.  Anyway,
since a "launching urls from the keyboard" feature is not present, I
will look into developing a workaround for myself.  Thanks for all
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Re: TXT import

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Marck,

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 1:34:33 PM you wrote (at least in part):

MDP> Because it is likely to have happened while the server was saving the
MDP> received message in your POP box, so it knew it was dealing with a
MDP> message for you. It just turned it into two messages, one of which was
MDP> a complete mess.

Everythink Marck said is 100% correct as far as I can tell from my Point of
Linux-Sysadmin-View.
No more to add, your POP-Toaster is the culprit :-)
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Re: TXT import

[Thomas F]

Hi Marck,

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:34:33 +0100GMT (19/07/2001, 19:34 +0800GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

TF>> If it was "on the way" to my machine, how did the second part
TF>> reach my machine? Without headers, I mean.

MDP> Because it is likely to have happened while the server was saving
MDP> the received message in your POP box, so it knew it was dealing
MDP> with a message for you. It just turned it into two messages, one
MDP> of which was a complete mess.

OK. Then my question to the list is: Did anybody else with a myrealbox
account have this problem? If so, we should report it to the
people there. If not, Marck will have to think about a new threory.
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Re: TXT import

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Hi Thomas,

On 19 July 2001 at  19:13:55 +0800 (which was 12:13 where I live)
Thomas F wrote to Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL and made these points:

MDP>> No - only when you are asking TB to import a UNIX MBX file.

TF> I am certain I didn't ask.

I know - you didn't need to in this case. Let's get a bit more
clarity:

1). When importing messages from a Unix mailbox, all messages *MUST*
start with this "From" line.

2). TB does *NOT* have any other use for this and does *NOT* recognize
it in an incoming mail stream.

3). Any such "stream-wise" recognition is down to Unix servers
on-the-way.

TF>>> This explains why the message is split at that line.

MDP>> Ah! Yes - it has been dissected by a UNIX router on the way to
MDP>> your machine.

TF> If it was "on the way" to my machine, how did the second part
TF> reach my machine? Without headers, I mean.

Because it is likely to have happened while the server was saving the
received message in your POP box, so it knew it was dealing with a
message for you. It just turned it into two messages, one of which was
a complete mess.

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Re: TXT import

[Thomas F]

Hi Marck,

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:03:27 +0100GMT (19/07/2001, 19:03 +0800GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

TF>> And under TB too?

MDP> No - only when you are asking TB to import a UNIX MBX file.

I am certain I didn't ask.

TF>> This explains why the message is split at that line.

MDP> Ah! Yes - it has been dissected by a UNIX router on the way to your
MDP> machine.

If it was "on the way" to my machine, how did the second part reach my
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Re: TXT import

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Hi Thomas,

On 19 July 2001 at  16:44:31 +0800 (which was 09:44 where I live)
Thomas F wrote to Dierk Haasis on TBUDL and made these points:

DH>> Very easy: You have to insert a "From" line before the first
DH>> (Return-path) of the messages.

DH>> When he told me, I felt very stupid, since we often enough mentioned
DH>> that the "From" line is used as the "Here begins message" indicator
DH>> under UNIX.

TF> And under TB too?

No - only when you are asking TB to import a UNIX MBX file.

TF> This explains why the message is split at that line.

Ah! Yes - it has been dissected by a UNIX router on the way to your
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Re: TXT import

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Thomas!

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 10:44:31 AM you wrote:

> And under TB too?

That I can't say. But it looks like it.

> This explains why the message is split at that line. Good it is not.
> Did anybody else experience the same as me?  ^^*

Well, I didn't, I got the whole enchilada ...

*BTW, did you just see a Star Wars movie, except for the first one?



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Re: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Erik,

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 3:53:04 AM you wrote (at least in part):

E> It just
E> seems odd to have to use the mouse just for launching url's, while
E> many other things are accessible from the mouse along with the
E> keyboard.

*eeehhhmmm* .. I don't need the mous mouse that ... OK, opening URL's I do
often with mouse but that's pure cosmetic.
There's no problem to select the URL with the keyboard (even wordwise
selection with using the -key does work!!!), copy it and paste it into
the browser address bar 

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Re: Launch URL keyboard shortcut?

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Hello Erik,

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 21:53:04 -0400, Erik [E] wrote
concerning 'Launch URL keyboard shortcut?':

E> Perhaps TB! could parse the url's one at a time, similar to Forte
E> Agent.

I don't know how this works.

E> Or maybe moving the cursor to the url and pressing enter, or some
E> other key combination.

Yes maybe this would be a good idea, but don't you think it would be
easier just clicking on the URL?

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Re: TB! won't download messages when configured for Norton AV 2001

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Andrew,

On Wednesday, July 18, 2001 at 11:20:03 PM you wrote (at least in part):

AJP> So does anyone have any other ideas?

Is there _any_ chance NAV simply runs out of resources  while checking the
"incoming stream" for viruses?

IIRC you said TB! works perfectly w/o NAV, and if you change your settings
within TB! to NAV it does quite the same it would do on any other POP-Server,
it does what the POP-protocol tells to do.
So I'd suggest it's a NAV-related problem, may be you are able to run NAV in
some kind of 'debug loggin' modus, I dunno as I do not use it.
This may help finding out why NAV drops the connection (and it must be NAV as
TB! only drops the connection if it's ready and gone or if the server is
unreachable/does not respond).

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Re: Problems opening certain messages in version beyond 1.49 (was: can't print)

[Richard Stephens]

Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, July 18, 2001, 11:20:32 AM, you wrote:

Thomas> Hi Richard,

Thomas> On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:23:23 +0200GMT (18/07/2001, 15:23 +0800GMT),
Thomas> Richard Stephens wrote:

RS>> I will be happy to explain what happens in minute detail if anyone
RS>> wants to listen

Thomas> Port wide open. Status: listening. ;-)

OK, my friend, here is the story:

Back in January, I bought TheBat (best $40 I ever spent!!) and was
very happy with the program and still am.
Then I got a message from them that there was a new beta version out
(something like 1.53bis, I think) and I installed it.  But I
discovered that when I tried to scroll through my messages it got
"stuck" on some of them and would not display.  I would click on the
message on the upper part of the screen and on the lower part, it
displayed a former message.  It happened on just some messages but not
all.  The strange thing is that it happened on different messages
from the same person.  Some would open and some would not.
I contacted support and Stefan suggested I install another version
that was coming out and he sent to me as an attachment.  I installed
that version and it seemed to work OK but then I discovered that I
could not print anything out (just like on 1.49).  When I reported
this, Alexander suggested I install the new 1.53d version that was
out.  But when I did this I discovered that once again I could not
scroll through or open certain messages again.
Oh yes, during this interchange I sent the messages that would not
open to Stefan who, of course, told me that he could open them with no
problem.  And then he suggested that I just change the exe files in my
folder to switch versions which I also did.  But nothing seemed to fix
the problem.
So in the end, I backed up all the mail files, uninstalled the 1.49
version again and am now using that but am unable to print out
anything without saving the files to another program.
So the end of the story is that I have to choose between two bugs: one
does not allow me to print out messages and the other does not allow
me to view them.  And nobody seems to be able to discover why.
Oh yes, my computer:  AMB 750, 128 ram, 21g HD running W98.
And the truth of the matter is that I do not remember now if I could
print out with the first version or not but I think I could. But now I
can't.
So I guess what I really need is a patch for the 1.49 version that
fixes the print bug but I don't want to install the new version
because I know what is going to happen.

Best regards 
Un saludo de Richard
www.wine-from-spain.com
www.lagamella.com

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Re: TXT import

[Thomas F]

Hi Dierk,

On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:02:45 +0200GMT (19/07/2001, 16:02 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> Very easy: You have to insert a "From" line before the first
DH> (Return-path) of the messages.

DH> When he told me, I felt very stupid, since we often enough mentioned
DH> that the "From" line is used as the "Here begins message" indicator
DH> under UNIX.

And under TB too? This explains why the message is split at that line.
Good it is not. Did anybody else experience the same as me?

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Re: Mail Lists

[RL Autry]

At 03:05 AM 7/19/2001, you wrote:
>But it should be easily found by
>not making a typo.

Good point.
When your right *your right*  :0)

Sorry bout that  :0(


Thanks,
RL

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Re: Mail Lists

[Michael Charlier]

Hallo Dierk,

Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2001, 10:05, schriebst Du:

>  Or some of the others will tell us where to
> find it?!

Well, here it comes:
http://user.berlin.de/~c.biedl/hamster/minifaqe.html The author
tells us this was a "rrraw trrranslation" from the german
original, so be warned. (But for me, it looks quite readable.)

Back to lurking
Michael Charlier

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Backup

[Roland Burger]

Hi,

making backup I got the following fault:

Fault by writing the file C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\batC232.TBB Store
Folders. The proceedings will be carried out,

(PS.: I hope that I have translated it right!)

How can I find out, which message it is, so that I can delete it?

PS.: Downloading all messages the computer (or TB) got stucked and I
 had to do it once more!

Sorry for my bad English!

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Re: Mail Lists

[Dierk Haasis]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hello RL!

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 9:29:27 AM you wrote:

> Do you mean "HappyHampster"?

No, I mean "Hamster".

> If not please give me a url so I can check it out.

Sorry, I don't have its URL handy. But it should be easily found by
not making a typo. Maybe you should take additional keywords like
"News" or even "Server". Or some of the others will tell us where to
find it?!



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Todo, pero con manera (Everything, but with civility.).

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Re: TXT import

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Thomas!

On Thursday, July 19, 2001 at 9:22:17 AM you wrote:

> Since I don't know what was in that line and caused this break-up, I
> cannot even start making a guess what happend. Do you have any idea?

Very easy: You have to insert a "From" line before the first
(Return-path) of the messages.

When he told me, I felt very stupid, since we often enough mentioned
that the "From" line is used as the "Here begins message" indicator
under UNIX.



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Re[2]: Synching The Bat! address book with Palm

[Jim Daniels]

Hi Tim,

Tuesday, July 17, 2001, 4:14:17 PM, you wrote:

TM> Interesting, I had not thought of that approach for "syncing" the
TM> address book. There is no sync involved really. What is happening is
TM> the export file from TB! is continuously kept up to date on the Palm.
TM> ie, each time the TB! export file changes, the the data on the Palm is
TM> replaced.

TM> Jim, I was wondering how you did the Field map? I don't recall if you
TM> can use a .TPA file to assist with the mapping. I have worked on some
TM> perl code to pull an address book from LDAP (my client's directory)
TM> and pull it into my palm, and used the TPA file - which automates the
TM> field mappings (you can look at c:\palm\LOTUS20.TPA and I think you
TM> can search Palm's site for TPA or something like that - there is a
TM> page or 2 defining the file).

TM> The way I have found to best "Sync" is vCard, but the Palm Desktop
TM> adds a new entry even if it is identical to an existing entry. Kudos
TM> to TB!, it does not add the record if it is identical - what can you
TM> expect from such a great piece of software, eh?


Here are the steps:

Part I:  Bat Address Book Export to CSV
- Open The Bat! address book
- Ensure the address book section you want is highlighted, e.g.,
Personal Address Book
- Choose File/Export To/Comma Separated (Plain Text)
- Enter a name for for the CSV file and click "Save"
- Dialog appears, "Select the fields to be exported"
- Select the fields you want to export in the CSV file.  In my case, I selected "No" 
to "Name" and instead used "First Name" and "Last Name
- Click OK and the CSV file gets written.

Part II: Synch CSV file to Palm
- In Palm Desktop, choose HotSync/File Link... from menus
- File Link dialog appears.  Select the Palm user in the dropdown
list.  Ensure "Create a new link" is checked, and click "Next".
- Ensure that "Application Name" says "Address Book".
- Browse for the CSV file you created in Part I, or just type its
name.
- Enter a name for the Palm category the addresses will be assigned
to.  (I called it "bataddress")
- Dialog, "specify import fields" appears.
- In the dialog, map the Palm fields to the fields in the records
exported by TB, using drag and drop on the left pane of the dialog.
Click OK.

That's all I have time to document tonight; perhaps someone trying
this can note the rest of the steps.

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Re: TXT import

[Thomas F]

Hi Marck,

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:46:38 +0100GMT (18/07/2001, 21:46 +0800GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

the last line of your posting, as received here, was:

MDP> Add this line at the top of the text file:

Just EOF. No footer, nothing.

I also received a message in my inbox, which I copy here:

MDP>
MDP> Then try the import again. That will fix it. (sorry - should have
MDP> remembered that).
MDP> 
MDP> - --
MDP> Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user
MDP>  ~~~
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MDP>  \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0  |  www: http://www.silverstones.com /
MDP> 
MDP> SB! v1.53k/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1
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Mind you, this is *after* I hit shft-crtl-K. Without shft-crtl-K, this
second messages starts at your sig delimiter.

Now, TB obviously cut your message in half after receipt (because
there are no routing headers in the second part). I am also missing
the line with the secret tip you are giving Dierk - obviously he got
it, but I didn't.

Since I don't know what was in that line and caused this break-up, I
cannot even start making a guess what happend. Do you have any idea?

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